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KC: Courtney, I'm, I am so thrilled that
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That this morning I was able to
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on the treadmill, work out hard.

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I have to because, uh,
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Keep it pumping and it's working.

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But there's a lot of this going on.

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Court: I'm proud of you-
Thank Are we rolling?

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We're rolling?

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KC: You go ahead and pray.

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Court: No, I want you to pray.

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KC: Okay.

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Father, we thank you,
praise you and honor you,

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that back in the day when I first
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and so forth, the technology
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blessed us beyond measure according
to the word of the living God.

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We redeem from the curse of the law
Christ being made a curse for us, for

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it is written, "Cursed is everyone that
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curse of the law that the blessing of
Abraham has come upon us, and we praise

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you and honor you for those covenant
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Jesus, the sinless blood of the Lord.

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thank you, thank you.

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Whose we are and whom we
serve, in Jesus' name, amen.

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Court: Amen.

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Well, everyone, welcome to the very first
episode of the Kenneth Copeland Podcast.

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KC: Okay.

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Court: Featuring Kenneth Copeland.

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Yay.

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Papa- Oh ... we talked about
doing this show for a while.

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Yeah.

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For a few months we've talked about
this, and it's because a lot of people

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have been following you for a lot of
years, and I feel like they don't get

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to see the side of you that I get to
see, the grandfather side, and the

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loving, caring, personal side of you.

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And so we've been talking about doing a
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and y'all can talk about life experiences
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episodes is gonna be just me and you.

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I have some questions from your
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KC: Good

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... 
Court: I think it's gonna be really fun.

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KC: Good.

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Court: I want to start off by- Uh,

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KC: let me...

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May I start, please?

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Court: Of course you may.

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It's your show.

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You do whatever you want.

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KC: You remember we
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and, uh, we... It was the second one,
Covenant Rider, and I was sitting with

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my... I had... It, it wasn't the f- it
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mine, and I had a, a little baby in my
arms with a Texas T-shirt, and it was you.

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Court: We'll make sure we throw
that photo up for everyone to see.

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I'm really honored to be
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Thank you.

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KC: Thank you, sweetheart.

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Court: That would've been 33 years ago.

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recently you did a podcast
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Court: And that was so
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I was so proud of you and the way
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What were your thoughts
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KC: I, um... It was great.

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He kept saying, "I can't wrap my mind
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around it, you wrap your heart around it.

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He was talking about the
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And, uh... But that's,
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And I'm not referring to him now.

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Gloria and I, January the 24th, 1967,
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with $24,000 worth of debt.

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Ugh Gloria said, "You must have
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Let, let me s- take, walk you through it.

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When I was a senior in high
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uh, they were, uh, you know, looking
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and, of course, television up to that
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Well... And I, and, and Courtney, I didn't
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so the audition guy came in, "What
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do you want?" Well, right then Blue
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They said, "Well, that's really not
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Everything for the American
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white, just like it always had.

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sang Ghost Riders in the Sky.

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air condition my truck." So, yeah

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KC: I was a senior in high school, 1955.

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Well, I kept trying to make it, and
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I said, "Dad, I wanna learn how
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And I did, and I soloed August
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I went to an after-game party, This man
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I said, "Is that right?"
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He said, "You don't believe me, do you?"
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the best looking girl in the state of
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So Sunday morning, 8:00, October the 8th,
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and I thought, " Man, he wasn't kidding."

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And, and FBO, you know, a fixed-base
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And, "Kenneth, uh, I've taken over the
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You wanna go?" "Yeah, I'll go." "Don't
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thought about it. That girl's over there
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the bottom line of this, Courtney, first
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So I thought... And we went to
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Only one date.

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I said, "Gloria, will you
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Oh, well, I'll get out of it
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She's quiet, but she's stealthy.

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Court: She's stealthy.

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They said... This is Sarah
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She said, "You just celebrated
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What's the greatest piece of marriage
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a successful and happy marriage?"

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you know, we were living at the
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Mountain Lake, and she came to me.

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She said, "Kenneth, we either go- I'm,
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just, just stop messing with it." 'Cause
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have now." So we went to the prayer cabin.

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We don't do anything
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everything we've done,
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And I, and I, and what, what we
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else and pray about that one thing,
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of course, I had my Bible with me.

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The 54th chapter of the Book of Isaiah,
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I said, "Gloria Jean, what?" And she
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'Don't let anyone steal your
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She said, "What?" I said, "Gloria,
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man builds his nest." So, and the
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She took those little squares and placed
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Court: So the two things,
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KC: Keep it on the word of
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Court: another I've heard you
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you say it's hard to argue with
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I only raised my voice to her
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I, I, it's the only time ever.

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I don't, I don't know what set
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And I just... It was, it was a rent house,
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I, I, I, I, I felt like I'd slept
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Now, I was on my side there, and, uh, and
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I gotta preach." She said, "I know it."
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in Steamboat, and she asked you a
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"Gloria, I'm not gonna tell you again."

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And you, she, she said, "Well,
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Court: And you said, "You're absolutely
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always watched you, I've watched her and
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that's the sweetest thing, but you were
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Y'all are the strongest A-team
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Speaking of Uncle Jerry Savelle-
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said, "How often do you think about
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Yes, I do miss him.

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And Carolyn texts me from time to time.

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And Jerry was in the Army Reserves.

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And people, you know, we'll talk about
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flew out there.

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And in the back of that airplane,
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uh, so they just took that out.

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I was at the airport, my, my, our airport
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going from Bible college to a university.

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And Jerriann called just screaming,
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die?" I said, "Jerriann, what?

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Would you hush.

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What are you talking about?" Oh,
why did my daddy have to die?

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I, I never even think about it.

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At first, the shock was overwhelming.

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And it came into Alliance Airport.

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Well, Ross Perot built Alliance Airport.

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Strong Christian people.

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the fire trucks did a water cannon salute.

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I was all right up to then.

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I got up in the back of the airplane

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and Duane said just, "Let
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with a United States flag draped over him.

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And I reminded him of the
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I was in Pismo Beach, California.

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Young man by the name of
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He said, "Brother Copeland, stay with
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ocean out." I said, "Dave, I don't
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can do it." "Who?" He said, "Jerry
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in a hurry. I need him." And he did.

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Job number one.

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So then he came back he said,
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you." I said, "All right, Jerry.

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That's fine with me." And
of course, Mr. and Mrs. Alex

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Court: is getting you a tissue.

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KC: Thank

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Court: How many years of
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KC: Over 50.

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Well, it was five years after I started.

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Now, let me back up a little here.

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Carolyn said, "Jerry, I want you to
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time, and after that, I will never ask
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Said, "Who?" "Ken Copeland." "Oh," he
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either." "Yes, he had a hit record."
"Oh, come on, Jerry." So, I had my Bible.

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And Beard, you have my, you
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Any- anyway, I had it
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course I di- I didn't know Jerry Savelle.

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I didn't know anybody in that church.

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I, I knew, uh, uh,

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I knew the pastor well,
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Oh, that girl.

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And, uh, I had my Bible like
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And, you know, of course I
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I just stopped.

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Jerry was sitting right here.

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And I said, uh... I don't know why I'm
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a hit record called Pledge of Love.

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And, but I decided to get
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and, and go into the ministry.

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I got completely fed up
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Jerry said he looked over there
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once." But he said, "You're right.

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I want to know everything he has to say."

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And that's when it started.

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Court: Y'all were the best team.

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KC: Yeah.

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Five years apart.

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Speaker 2: We hope you enjoyed this
episode of Kenneth Copeland's podcast.

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Be sure to join us next
week for another episode.

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And don't forget, we'll see you at the
Southwest Believers' Convention July 27th

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through August 1st in Downtown Fort Worth.

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Registration is free and
we wanna see you there.

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Remember, God loves you, we
love you, and Jesus is Lord