There are so many things about mental health that can impact how a person

performs, what their quality of work is, what their quantity of work is, how

they interact, and with a team, how they either produce or bring a team down.

So it really is important that we have this conversation.

Well over 50% of people in the United States have anxiety, a

clinical diagnosis of anxiety that doesn't even include the people that

have it and have not sought help.

So chances are if you are in a leadership role, there's someone on

your team who may be experiencing this or experiencing it with their child.

How can sharing your personal story, transform your brand, and help manage

anxiety today on seek go create.

We're joined by Dr. Robin Graham, a business growth strategist and author of

you, me, and Anxiety Robin specializes in integrating personal narratives into

branding, believing that authenticity not only enhances business success,

but also helps in coping with anxiety.

Listen in as we discuss how embracing your true self in your brand can lead

to not just professional triumph, also personal peace and resilience.

Welcome, welcome to Seek.

Go Create Robin.

Thank you, Tim.

That was a very lovely introduction.

I appreciate it.

Oh, thanks.

we've already kinda given the preface that I might have a little

cold here, so I'm gonna ask for some forgiveness from the audience.

But we're gonna enjoy this conversation, just finish reading your book and you

do business stuff and all, like I do in some ways, so I'm sure it's unique.

We'll talk about that.

But we really launch into all of that, why don't you answer the question

either what do you do or who are you?

Pick it and go ahead and answer.

All right.

That's a tough decision and probably you're gonna get an

answer that's combined here.

so who am I?

I am a child of God.

I love Jesus.

And I'm a mom of three, two adult children and one teenager.

I have two dogs.

I am an author, a speaker.

I am working on my a CC credentials right now for solution focused and

neuro focused neuroscience coaching.

So I am a woman who has my hands in many mini pots, and

they're always being stirred.

You ever feel like you have too much going on?

Yeah.

This is one of those weeks where I feel like, I am on, emotionally

and sensory tired this week.

You know, like there's like all of that at one time.

Usually managing Energy's a really great gift that I have, but

this week's been a little rough,

Well, I've already shared with you a little bit rough for my wife and I. In

fact, one of the things that we really.

Purpose to do?

Is it when we're feeling a little bit puny like we are right now

with some little crud, we try not to make any big decisions.

Like we were planning some travel and some things like that.

We say, you know what, let's don't make those decisions right now.

This is not a good time, and that's not the way we're wired.

We just want to keep powering through, So, you know, someone would listen

and what's odd, let's go ahead and get pseudo controversial to start off with.

It's very often that men can have this long list of stuff and

people don't think much about it.

But then when women do, they kind of start getting, it seems like you got a

lot going on Do you feel like it's a good example to be that, productive at times

do you wonder if maybe there are people that look at you and can get intimidated?

That's the way I'll ask it.

Oh, you know, that's a really good question, and I think

it's a combination of the two.

I think it's very individual.

I don't think we can judge what someone else gets done

compared to what we get done.

We're, we're all two different, or two different, multiple different people.

We're wired differently.

some of us are very task oriented.

Some of us are just thought.

You know, thought work is better for them versus the actual to-do.

And I know for me, I'm a big to-do list check offerer, and I

pride myself in all that I can do.

I'm also very good about making sure I get my sleep, I make sure I get my exercise.

Those are things people don't see.

Right.

Where we actually do nurture ourselves.

And when you emphasize the things that are really important for your

mind, body, and soul, people don't see that part, My devotions every morning

or my, my Bible study every morning that sets the, the tone of what I'm

gonna be able to do during the day.

And so I, it is funny because I think people do look at other

people and think, gosh, they get so much done and I get nothing done.

But it's all how we use our time and it's all how we preserve our energy.

Right?

Yeah.

And I, and I see, let, let's go ahead and we'll throw this into the mix.

There are a lot of people that streaming whatever shows on Netflix, you know, and

watching all episodes there, every sport.

You know, we're recording this in March-ish, where there's about to be

a bazillion college basketball games.

And my guess is you're probably not sitting in front of television a good bit.

No,

barely have it.

no.

and what's interesting at the age we're at, I love that you brought this up 'cause

I think this might feed into success in business and also the conversation

about anxiety and that is of rest.

self-care is an odd word.

I have to be careful with that.

Mm-hmm.

it's more of just knowing.

Being aware of what you can and can't do and when you need to do

Mm-hmm.

things like that.

I think self-care may have been used in an odd way, but, I do think it's

important for us to understand that.

I used to be one of these people, Robin, that was pretty prideful

and that's the right word to use,

Mm-hmm.

sleep much at night

Mm-hmm.

boasted about it, and that's the correct

Mm-hmm.

Now.

Man, I'm loving when I can get me some good rest and sleep

Mm-hmm.

refreshed.

And I'm a little bit off right now because I've been waking up in the

middle of the night coughing some.

Mm-hmm.

a little fatigue, but I'm also trying not to pile on anything over the

next few days until my body says, okay, we're a little bit better.

Mm-hmm.

let's go ahead and kind of get into a little bit of the conversation

about your book with, with anxiety, which I did read by the way.

I've got, uh, your book, you, me, and Anxiety, and I've got some

confessions that I'll make in just a second about it that, uh, might

make it for a fun conversation.

how important is what you just brought up related to one item

of anxiety and that is the rest.

And taking care of yourself and knowing what you can and can't do.

It matters more than anyone can imagine.

you know, when we sleep, our body resets, our entire nervous

system resets, and we need that.

We're not meant to go, go, go, go, go.

And it, I learned at a very young age, I need sleep.

Two of my sisters and my mom can go on very little sleep.

My other sister and I, we need our sleep.

And, you know, if we haven't gotten it, like everything about my nervous system

is off if I don't get enough rest.

And so, you know, it's, and, and I think there, there is this, you know,

time is finite, but energy is fluid.

We can create more energy, but it's a matter of how we care

for our mind, body, and spirit.

And so if you're one of those people that is like an energizer bunny and can go,

go, go, go, that's great, but eventually you're not gonna get enough time.

Your energy might run out.

So you have to ask yourself, okay, if I have this much time, and even if you

were given 10 hours a day more, and you had 34 hours in a day, would you be

able to do everything that you wanna do?

And the answer is probably no, because you would run out of energy, right?

So we have to balance those things.

It's not, it's not time or energy, it's a matter of, okay, I have this much time.

How can I manage my energy to do everything else I need to

do and have solid relationships in that other 16 hours?

So one thing you mentioned earlier that you were a task person

list maker, check things off.

My wife is that way.

She, she does things, she will often, this is a little bit of

a joke within our, or house.

She'll do something and if it wasn't on the list, she'll put it on the

list so she could check it off.

That's slight exaggeration.

But if she were sitting here with me, she would say, of course.

I mean, 'cause that's how I get my

Yeah,

of accomplishment.

one of the things,

your wife.

yeah, you would love glory.

And when you, meet her, if you get an email from her on the bottom

it says, you have been glorified.

So anyway, one of the things that.

She and I discuss, This is related to sleep.

This is kind of a little bit of a personal question about sleep.

She will lay down at night and her list will continue to turn in her

head, which makes it a little bit difficult at times to fall asleep.

Initially, I'm pretty good at laying down and I'm out now.

I might wake up three, 4:00 AM whatever, and then I'll start

thinking about a couple of things.

But being a task person talking about how important sleep is, do

those two conflict with you at all?

With the way I just brought that up?

So I'm very much like your wife,

Okay.

a notebook by my bed so that if I think of something, I can put that I don't

have my phone by my bed, but I have a notebook by my bed so that I can, if

something comes to mind as I'm falling asleep, or if something comes to mind

in the middle of the night, I can put it in that notebook versus getting up.

So it helps me get back to sleep faster.

they talk about sleep hygiene and it's, I try to follow all of that because sleep is

so important to me, but I read before I go to bed, so that quiets my nervous system

just enough that I can, I can go to sleep

Right.

most nights stay asleep.

So do you, do you read like an actual paper type book, or do

you read from like a Kindle?

You said you don't do your phone, which we, we've had discussions

about that and unfortunately, my wife will sometimes bring her phone

because, you know, we've got adult children and sometimes she thinks I've

gotta gotta be available for ' em.

I'm going, you know what, if there's an emergency, they need to call 9 1 1.

be around in the morning.

That's, so there's a little bit of a, that's a father versus

mother probably conversation, but, what, what are some other things?

I mean, I, I, I think this whole sleep conversation, which were,

it was not on my notes anywhere, I think it's vital to a lot of success.

Mm-hmm.

gimme some of the other things that you do just for your sleep health, the list.

Well,

I think I'm doing a good bit, but I'd love to hear what you're doing.

well, I have my nighttime routine, right?

You know, the whole wash the va brush the teeth, or, you know, all that stuff.

Of course, as anybody does, but it, it kind of starts where,

you know, I go upstairs and.

I'm done.

When I go upstairs, everybody knows I'm done for the day.

And sometimes my, it's a joke because I'll say, oh, I'm

gonna go up and take a shower.

And people are, everybody is like, is she gonna do it or is she gonna be back?

And then I'm back and then I'm back up and then I'm back down.

'cause I think of things so every, it's a joke in our house, but

that's just how my brain works.

'cause it's always going.

But what I do is, what I like to do is my phone's put away at a certain time.

I don't have social media apps on my phone, so I'm not tempted to go on them.

I figure if, by seven o'clock at night, I'm done with work, nobody's emailing me.

And if they are emailing me, it's gonna wait till the next day.

My clients know nine to five is when they're gonna get me.

So it's setting those boundaries.

My family all knows after nine o'clock, don't call, don't text,

I'm gonna be getting ready for bed.

Doesn't mean I'm in bed at that time, but I don't want to be on my device.

I don't want things triggering additional to-dos or whatever.

And then when I get in bed, I do my journaling, I do my prayers

and or a devotion and then I read.

And that's just my time to really close out my day when I have my gratitude

practice, which I think is an absolute necessity for me to look back on my

day and find at least three things.

Normally there's way more than that, that I sit and I write out.

I thank God for everything that happened that day.

Sometimes things weren't that great, but I learned a lesson.

Sometimes things didn't get done and I can say yet.

it's really putting the focus on the positive before I

close my eyes and go to sleep.

There.

There there's two or three things that I love about what you just said there,

and I'm glad I asked the question.

One of the first things was not allowing other people's emergencies to spill over.

years ago, I used to be a coach in the real estate space where people

would buy and sell properties and some people would pay, and they paid a lot

of money for me to be their coach.

would say, can I get your cell phone number?

This was.

around the time smartphones were coming along, I said, no, you don't need

my cell phone, email, or, you know, we've got a little forum and all that.

They go, but what if I have an emergency?

And this was my comment.

Exactly.

This is real estate.

There are no emergencies in real estate.

I'm sorry.

If there's an emergency, you call 9 1 1.

Well, what if I've got a deal or something?

It'll wait till tomorrow.

well what if I don't get it?

That's fine.

We weren't supposed to get it.

so I, I love that you brought up say, you know what, I'm shutting down.

I don't need any of these emergencies.

I like that.

Another thing, and this is sort of a, can't believe we're having this

discussion about, um, showering at night.

And I'm not sure how appropriate this is, but I used to, I

used to be like a morning.

Shower person, I've realized, and I track my sleep a little bit now, I do much

Mm-hmm.

a hot tub and or warm shower at

Mm-hmm.

sleep so much better.

Mm-hmm.

might be your rhythm, correct?

it just completely relaxes me and sets me up for a good night's sleep.

And then just everything from the day is gone and it's just,

I'm resetting for the next day.

And I think it's important to do that.

Yeah.

And you know, when you talked about the emergency thing too.

I mean, having had anxiety my entire life, it's like, you know,

there's always that concern.

What if something happens?

What if they can't reach me?

if something did happen to my boys who are grown, what am I gonna do?

They don't live with me.

So eventually I'm gonna find out if they need our advice.

they contact us during the daytime, we usually have touchpoints, a text

or if we check in, throughout the day.

But I can't spend my entire adult life worrying about.

Somebody needing me in the middle of the night.

If it happens, it happens, but I'm up early so there's not

that many hours in between.

like they're gonna miss that much.

Yeah.

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00 PM and 5:00 AM then maybe people shouldn't have been doing

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that or something like that.

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But, I,

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I just know my limits and I know that to be the person that God's calling me

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to be a good mom, a good business person and do all the things I need my rest.

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So it's a priority.

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And I think when you talk to earlier, you asked, about the

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book and how important is that?

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Sleep is incredibly important for anyone who has anxiety.

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we all have a choice, right?

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you can have a diagnosis of anxiety.

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you can feel all of these feelings and experience all these emotions.

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And you can just continue down that path, or you can choose to adjust your lifestyle

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and adjust your habits so that they're healthy and it, you can navigate it so it

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becomes living with anxiety or, you know, having anxiety and, and suffering through

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it, to living with it, but managing it, navigating it, and loosening that rope

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of control that it's had around you.

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And it kind of feeds into something that popped in my head just now,

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and that is, I love the structure you're talking about in your life.

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And so my question related to that is, did you grow up with

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structure or is it something that you have developed over time?

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I mean, there were four of us, so my mom was a very young, as you

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know, from reading the book, a very young mom and my dad worked a lot.

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So there were, I would say we had some semblance of structure.

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Like, you know, dinner was at the same time, every day we, you

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know, got up at whatever time to go to school and stuff like that.

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it wasn't a rigid structure, but probably just enough where my body and my.

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Brain liked routine.

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I've always been very habitual, very routine oriented, so I would say that I

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had exposure to that when I was young, and then as I got older, I just knew what

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I needed and I've always adhered to that.

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Right.

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And another thing I recall from reading your story in the book there, there

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were some challenging times growing up

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Mm-hmm.

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one of the things that I've observed, is that many times chaos

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or disorder or some dysfunction

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Mm-hmm.

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Can impact our mental state and can impact

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Mm-hmm.

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anxiety and things like that.

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Just is, I, I think I'll just leave it at that.

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What would you like to say about maybe how were raised or some things from your,

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from your story fed into you dealing with this and working through this?

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Hmm, that's such a good question.

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And it's, it's probably, way deeper than the time we have here.

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But what I'll say is that when you grow up in a, in a dysfunctional environment,

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and you know, I had very loving parents, but there's something called

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epigenetics and they will flow down.

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And no matter what you're doing and who you think you are, these things are all

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going to impact behaviors and choices.

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And mental health was something that was not discussed.

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It wasn't something you got treated for.

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and so all those factors tend to build and that leads to a lack of stability.

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And when you have.

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a genetic predisposition to anxiety.

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Those emotional instabilities or that emotional chaos is going to lead to

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a lot of nervous system agitation.

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lack of ability to regulate yourself.

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And it just leads to seeking different things to try to control the

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environment that you can't control.

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So I would say that definitely has an impact.

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Absolutely, 100% has an impact on how we behave, the choices we make, how we

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develop in relationships, all of that.

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And one of the things that I noticed in reading through the book, and this

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was probably one of the reasons why I wanted to, have a chat with you, is that

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I know you work with business people.

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We'll discuss that shortly 'cause I'd love to know more about, what you do there.

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But the book was something that intrigued me.

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I wonder at times if I don't have enough compassion for people that

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might have anxiety, because most people that are around me would

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say that I don't have any of that.

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Maybe I do, maybe I don't.

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But that's probably not the way I'm wired.

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Mm-hmm.

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mean, there was some things that I read in the book and some other things like that.

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I'm going, you know, I may have said, get over it before, which

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Mm-hmm.

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is actually

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Mm-hmm.

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what do people need to know about

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if we don't that, we've got our own issues?

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There's probably other things that we could discuss, but if that's not something

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we deal with, what do we need to know?

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So, such a great question.

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It's one of the reasons why I wrote the book.

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But first of all, Tim, you don't know what you don't know, right?

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in the book, I give an example of an incident we had with

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our son and my husband had no idea how to deal with anxiety.

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I had lived with it my entire life.

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And so when we started to see that happening with our son,

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I was trying to help him.

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In the way that I knew best because I had been in his shoes, I had

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experienced what he was experiencing.

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And my husband was like, just do it.

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And I'm like, you can't do that to him.

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You know?

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It was this whole scene at the kitchen table and, it, it was at no fault of his.

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He did not know.

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And so, you know, you may have said, get over it.

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And trust me, I have kids with anxiety.

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So it's, it's very easy to want to say that.

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Like, just put your boots on and let's go.

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It doesn't work that way.

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And that is one of the reasons I wrote the book, was because what's

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happening in our teen society is kids are being bullied every single day.

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They're being accused of being weird.

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People don't understand them.

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And when there's a lack of understanding, there's judgment.

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Right?

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And so.

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I mean to tell my story, like I have a really great life, but there were a

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lot of hiccups along the way, right?

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A lot of things I had to overcome and navigate.

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So it's not that I'm special in telling my story when kids are struggling and

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people don't understand what they're struggling with, you can't help them.

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So if I can increase the awareness of anxiety, and now we hear a lot

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more about anxiety and a lot more about depression and mental health

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challenges than we ever have before.

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There are a lot of people out there who use it as an excuse.

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They use it as an excuse for poor behavior, poor choices for lashing,

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lashing out at other people, for not respecting other people, for

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doing drugs or other things, right?

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Making unhealthy choices.

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Affect other people and influence other people's lives in a negative way.

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So when you say that, if you're dealing with someone who is using it as a crutch

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or an excuse to get their way or to not do things that they need to do or to not

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be a productive member of society, I can see where that frustration and lack of

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compassion would be, but only because I've done the work I've done, and when

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we talk about navigating anxiety, it is work just like changing your mindset.

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Just like you know anything else that you want to accomplish that's

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gonna be meaningful in your life.

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It's work, it's action.

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It's doing something to move through it, to push yourself forward.

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It takes action to succeed no matter what it is.

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And it's no different with mental health.

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Now, when I sat down to write the book, I. wanted other teens to

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recognize this kid may be peculiar.

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You may not understand them, but give them the grace to get curious and try

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to get to know them because underneath these strange behaviors or this inability

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to talk to someone at school or this, you know, need to kind of hide in a

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corner, that doesn't mean they're weird.

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It doesn't mean they don't have feelings.

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It doesn't mean that they're incapable of having a relationship.

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It means that they're wired a little bit differently.

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So instead of judging them and shunning them or bullying them, get curious.

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And sometimes all it takes is a smile to change the course of a

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child or a teen or adult's life.

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They could be wanting to end their life that day and someone just

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showing they care can completely turn that around and change the outcome.

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at what age, you become aware, or, you mentioned you've done a lot of work.

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Did you start doing work or get help or whatever?

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What was your age when that occurred?

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So the first time I got help was in college, and that was

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around an eating disorder.

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and then that was kind of, I think the only way I survived was because

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my mother and grandmother prayed all the time and my dad, but, I

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never had true help, like really dedicated help until I was an adult.

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I got the help I needed as we were seeking the help my son needed.

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So, way too long, way too long.

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Hmm.

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I was in the medical profession I should have known.

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I knew everything, but it wasn't until I was in my twenties that I actually

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had that, first experience with therapy and understanding more about myself

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and my emotions I learned a lot.

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I tried to navigate it all on my own.

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But that official help I got wasn't until I was in my, I don't even know

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how old I was, but I was an adult.

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Later.

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It was later.

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It was

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It was later.

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It was too later.

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we'll say a few years later.

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was too later.

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the interim, would you say you were managing it?

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Were you, as Tim said earlier, dealing with it?

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Were you ignoring it?

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how would you

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'cause to me, it seems like that's probably where a lot of people are.

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I would say that I was managing it

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Hmm.

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of the time.

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Hmm.

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not all of the time.

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And it's those times when I wasn't managing it that I really wish I had

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been, because, you know, losing my mind, so to speak, and getting irritated and

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angry over stupid things was not cool.

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And, you know, I could have hurt relationships doing that.

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Now, fortunately, I was relatively aware, relatively in control, but there

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are a lot of times where I could have had better conversations or I could

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have handled a situation differently.

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I have missed out on a lot in my life because I was too afraid to step into it

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too, focused on the what ifs versus this could be great if I just gave it a chance.

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So I would say, to anyone who thinks that there may be something off.

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It is 1000% worth just seeing a therapist talking to your doctor,

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ask questions, read the book, just to understand what happens.

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Because what happens a lot of times is people live with certain symptoms for

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their entire life and they're like, I don't know why I'm the way I am.

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I hate the way I am.

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This is so stupid.

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And they develop guilt and shame and all these things when the reality is

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there, it's a chemical imbalance in the brain, or there's a neural pathway that

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just keeps firing in a negative way.

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like a Ferris wheel.

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you have the Ferris wheel and it's going round and round and

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round, and it slows down to let people off and let new people on.

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Our brain gets so in these tracks of this, this spinning cycle that it just

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keeps going faster and faster and faster.

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So there's no time to let the negative thoughts off and

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positive thoughts come in.

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And that's where we have to start to recognize, okay, this is not.

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I'm gonna use air quotes for normal, for anyone who's not watching but listening.

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you know, and recognizing that and then actually doing the work to say, okay,

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nobody else is thinking this way about me.

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Nobody else is thinking this way about this situation.

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It's probably not as bad as what I'm thinking it is.

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So how can I change that thought or really be in tune to my body and

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what's happening, what I'm feeling and what's building up as these thoughts

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are occurring and where can I take a step back and try to rewire those

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neural pathways in my brain, reroute them to be able to navigate that?

10 00:28:53

Right.

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you mentioned earlier, you said something about your husband and there was a,

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that I have, I've got your book here.

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I'm on page 70 This is, said, having and maintaining relationships might be the

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most challenging part for people anxiety.

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I'm guessing from the way you've talked and, you know, have children

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and all that, that, you and John have probably like most couples, gone through

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stuff, but yet, still here you are.

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Tell me more about the challenge with relationships and anxiety.

10 00:29:27

Sure.

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So when a person has anxiety, oftentimes they don't trust.

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So if they don't trust, that can be, and I've always trusted my husband.

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That hasn't been necessarily like a bad thing in our relationship.

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However, that lack of trust leads to hypersensitivity, a

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lack of confidence in self.

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So you become hypersensitive right to wait.

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Did they?

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Say that, well, what does that mean?

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And instead of asking you react, right, so it's not just absorbing,

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it's not just considering.

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It's, a lot of times it's reactionary, or accusatory, things like that.

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I mean, fortunately my husband's been pretty great, so I don't have a lot of

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complaints there, but there have been times where it's like, no, like, you

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know, I just have to say like, you can't say that to me, like that, that doesn't

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sit well with me because of X, Y, Z.

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So I've had to explain, and for years I didn't explain, and for years we

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just kind of went through the motions.

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But when I wrote my book and he read my book, he was like, I had no idea.

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Like, he had no idea about any of that, because who's gonna talk about that?

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What's wrong with them?

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You know, we just wanna hide it and pretend it doesn't happen.

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But this is why it's so important to understand If someone has anxiety or

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depression, it doesn't mean they're bad.

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It doesn't mean they're broken.

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It just means that they're gonna process the information differently.

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And so when you have someone that is constantly on guard, they're

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living in fear, they don't feel safe.

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And not because anyone's harming them, it's just what

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their brain is telling them.

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their sympathetic nervous system is on overdrive all the time,

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which is there to protect us, but we don't need it to protect us.

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But it doesn't realize that, so you're living pent up and all this energy.

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the second somebody says something that.

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could be questionable or whatever.

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you react and it makes it hard, right?

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and it makes it hard to also put yourself out there to be

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vulnerable in relationships.

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And if we're not willing and able to be vulnerable in our relationships, you

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don't really get to know the other person.

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And so it's, there's just a lot of things that are prevented in terms of developing

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strong relationships when you're living with, well, what if, or, you know, for

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example, like this is so many people I talk to who have experienced anxiety.

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It's, you know, you go somewhere like out to dinner with friends or

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whatever, and instead of it being like, oh my gosh, that was so fun,

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it's, did I say anything wrong?

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Are they talking about me?

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what if I said that and they didn't like what I said?

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Maybe they're talking about me behind my back.

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Maybe they didn't have fun.

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And it's just this cycle of thoughts.

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So when I say it takes action, right over anxiety, it's literally

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catching those thoughts and say, Robin, you didn't say anything bad.

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They love you.

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They adore you.

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They laughed with you, not at you.

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we already set a date for a new plan.

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It's like, you know, really taking that active intention to change how you're

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thinking about a situation and letting yourself know it's okay, you're safe.

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So one thing, this is what kept popping to my mind.

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This will tell you where I'm, where I'm at.

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I kept thinking about.

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How some of those things just never come to my mind.

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And I was wondering if they do with your husband, have y'all talked about this?

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No,

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if y'all go out

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no.

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with a couple, is he sitting here going, man, I'm hope

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I'm wearing the right outfit.

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Is it, does that even go through his mind at all?

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No.

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nope.

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And,

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Not at all.

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But let me tell you something, there are so many different types of anxiety,

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so many different levels of anxiety.

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So you can have general, an anxiety disorder, you can

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have social anxiety disorder.

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you know, there's all different kinds of anxiety.

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I was an unlucky one because I got multiple, but every

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single person is different.

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something that would bother.

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Me might not ever bother my husband, but there may be things that would

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bother him, maybe from a professional perspective he doesn't really have

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anxiety and he'll tell you that.

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I think

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it's, you know,

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would get along famously, my wife's like, you, you never even thought about that.

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You may have messed up or did something there.

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I said, no, it never crossed my mind.

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And, I also wonder, this is like one other, this is me digging a little bit to

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see if I can understand something better.

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Does it cause a possible, conflict might be the right word.

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If someone does come across as being fairly let's don't use the word arrogant,

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but they say things with definitive tone as if they sort of know it all.

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You can,

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Mm-hmm.

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never done this, can't you?

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And what does that do for someone who might be on that end of the scale that

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you're talking about that have anxiety?

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To me it seems like it's probably not helping, it's probably

10 00:34:43

irritating the situation, but tell me what your thoughts are.

10 00:34:46

Absolutely.

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I mean, you're talking about somebody who is gonna, Eva now, and I shouldn't

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say for everyone because every single person is unique and every single person

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handles everything differently, right.

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And perceives differently.

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And their nervous system may be activated, may not be activated.

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So it's, you know, this is all very, non-specific and generalized, right?

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Because that's just how we have to approach it.

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But, someone who does have generalized anxiety disorder or

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even social anxiety where you're in a situation and somebody is.

10 00:35:24

You know, talks in a put off kind of way, or seems to be holier than thou, so to

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speak, you know, their ego is clearly present and they're very prideful.

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It can be a turnoff, it can be, yeah.

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I don't feel comfortable with that person.

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I feel like they're judging me or they think they're better than me, or, you

10 00:35:47

know, it can trigger those, gosh, I could never be like that thoughts, So, yeah.

10 00:35:53

I think there's always an opportunity for someone's attitude to impact someone

10 00:35:59

else, but I think for someone that has a clinical diagnosis of anxiety

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or is experiencing anxiety, that it's going to make it worse for sure.

10 00:36:08

Right.

10 00:36:08

So what was your spiritual life growing up?

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Because there's a, there's a scripture you bring up here,

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Philippians four, six through seven.

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I think this is one of my wife's like, don't wanna say life verses, but I

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think this is one of her foundational verses, do not be anxious about anything.

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tell me a little bit about your spiritual upbringing and then what that scripture

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means to you as someone who might be anxious about things from time to time.

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Yeah, well that one's on repeat, right?

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and it's one that I reference a lot, but, so I grew up, um, I mean

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obviously in church, but it was, um, it was like fear and guilt driven.

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If that's the right phrase.

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Like, you know, you had to do this and you had to be a good Christian

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and you had to do this, or you were going to hell and if you were

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lukewarm, you were gonna be spit out.

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So it wasn't until my adult years and not all that many years ago that I really

10 00:37:09

developed that relationship and discovered how powerful the Holy Spirit is in me.

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And part of that was when I was writing my book where I was like,

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how did I come up with that?

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I did.

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I write, I didn't write that, you know, I was like the Holy Spirit was right there.

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So, which I know sounds kind of crazy to people that aren't really, I don't know,

10 00:37:28

it sounds kind of crazy, but anyway, so yeah, it wasn't until I was well into

10 00:37:33

my adult years that I really understood and it was just me out of necessity,

10 00:37:40

seeking that, that peace, the hope.

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And really diving into, you know, studying the Bible, memorizing scripture, learning

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like what it really was that Jesus was asking me for, and being, letting

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him be at the, the center of my life and welcoming him in for conversations

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because doing it on my own wasn't working.

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So, you know, it really was just learning how to, how to have that relationship.

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I always knew Jesus.

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I always had faith, but it wasn't what it is now.

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Right, it's still part of the journey.

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My wife and I were just talking this morning.

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we're in our sixties now and we have.

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Actually just learn some things from a spiritual standpoint.

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And we've been studying and all for 30, 40 years going.

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more we learn, the more we realize we don't know stuff and we're

10 00:38:39

just continuing to work on things.

10 00:38:41

yeah,

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I feel like you would probably admit this, we're not definitely presenting to anyone.

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We've got it figured out.

10 00:38:47

No, not at all.

10 00:38:49

I wanna shift just a little bit here.

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I'm trying to watch my time.

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I really wanna get into some business conversation, One of the

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things that I have a theory about.

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Is that since, let's go back close to 10 years, we put a timestamp on this.

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We we're recording this in and go back 10 years.

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I could list out some things that were going on politically

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here in the United States.

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We can go a few years beyond that and talk about, covid and other things like that.

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I believe that there have been, if there was some anxiousness that people have

10 00:39:24

had, believe that there has been some gasoline that's been poured onto that fire

10 00:39:31

our culture, society, our environment.

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And I'll throw one more thing in and I'm just gonna pause

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and let you talk about this.

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I believe that social media has amplified that to the nth degree.

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And I believe that there's some people that probably didn't feel

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as if they suffered with anxiety.

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That now they realize they probably do.

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All you have to do is just look at some of the political discourse and things like

10 00:40:01

Mm-hmm.

10 00:40:01

So when I bring that up, comes to mind?

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So, so many things.

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I need to take a deep breath.

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Let's, let's be calm.

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Let's be at peace.

10 00:40:18

Yeah.

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So anytime there is change, someone who has anxiety may be triggered.

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People who may never have had anxiety may develop anxiety or anxious

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tendencies because there are a lot of unknowns when you think about fear,

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anxiety, and fear go hand in hand.

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And this is why I mentioned earlier, gratitude earlier.

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A gratitude practice is so crucial because we cannot be anxious

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and grateful at the same time.

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it is absolutely imperative that we offset some of that anxiety looking at all of

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the good things that we have in our life, What's happening in our society today

10 00:41:00

and social media and media in general is amplifying mental health challenges

10 00:41:09

because people don't know who to trust.

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People don't know what's real, what's not real.

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People are spewing messages of hate, out of fear, strictly out of fear.

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Because they don't understand someone else.

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They don't understand why decisions are being made.

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And so instead of trying to learn and research, they're going straight

10 00:41:35

to what they think they know about a person or a policy or whatever,

10 00:41:41

and they immediately go into, well, everybody should be thinking like me.

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And if they're not thinking like me, they're an idiot.

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And so I'm gonna tell the world about it.

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And, and nobody knows this, but I found this and I'm gonna tell everybody.

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And they're these most outrageous, ridiculous things that are not factual.

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They have not been validated, or they're so slanted one way or another that it's

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just causing all of this exaggeration.

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And it really breaks my heart because a lot of these people

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are really nice people.

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And they're putting stuff out as fear tactics, and all of

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that does is hurt other people.

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It does not help their cause.

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It does not make people see like they see.

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And so relationships are being pulled apart and the more people

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that are anxious and fearful, the less positive and effective

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decision making that's gonna happen.

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The less we are gonna be able to move forward as a country or a world.

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Yeah, it's, man, there's so much there.

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I don't see a lot of what I would call woman at the well, conversation

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with the woman at the well that was

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No.

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with love and compassion.

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Mm-hmm.

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And, I see a lot of vitriol and I see some leaders in the political arena that

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are probably speaking things in that.

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Boldness might be a word that some people would use.

10 00:43:21

Some people might use the word arrogance or whatever, and that's not

10 00:43:24

really even on one side or the other.

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There's, you know, we, have a

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Yeah.

10 00:43:29

leader in the US that is pretty strong when he speaks.

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Mm-hmm.

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could see how that could possibly have some issues for people, but I think it

10 00:43:37

helps to have an awareness of it and.

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I've shared this before, but one of the things that I did a little over

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a year ago, right before I turned 60 is that I, cut out two things.

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The month before I turned 60, I decided to have no alcohol for the month.

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I don't drink that much anyway, but I just said, you

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Mm-hmm.

10 00:43:56

what it does.

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then I decided to fast or get rid of all the sources of information that

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I had coming in news I felt like I

10 00:44:04

Mm-hmm.

10 00:44:04

my business to read certain things and read from the far left, the far right,

10 00:44:09

the middle, And what's interesting, after the month, I realized that alcohol was

10 00:44:13

not a big deal one way or the other.

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I could take it or leave.

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It didn't matter.

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Mm-hmm.

10 00:44:16

Mm-hmm.

10 00:44:18

By getting rid of all that information, though, it was just really amazing to me.

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It was, I think, the month that began, whatever they were doing in

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Gaza and all this kind of weird stuff.

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And

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Mm-hmm.

10 00:44:29

I was like going, wow.

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But you know what?

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When I've cleared up my head from that, I haven't gone back or anything like that.

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I've started writing more books.

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I've started doing some more creative things.

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It's opened up a lot of things spiritually

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Mm-hmm.

10 00:44:41

I just think we're better and haven't missed anything.

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Mm-hmm.

10 00:44:45

everything that's going on,

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Of course, right?

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Because it's everywhere.

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You cannot escape it.

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But here's the thing, Tim, it's really about, and I have a chapter in the book

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all about this, about getting about curiosity, because what's happening is

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people are going straight to judgment versus getting curious to learn.

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And the second we lose curiosity, the second we don't focus on getting to know

10 00:45:08

other people and valuing their opinion.

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Even if it's different than our own, we lose the concept of healthy relationships

10 00:45:18

Hmm.

10 00:45:19

I've got a couple other things about the book, but think before I

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do that, I think I'd like to ask at what point and how did you move from,

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what was your doctorate in pharmacy?

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Is that

10 00:45:31

pharmacy.

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So how'd you move from pharmacy into coaching, business growth and strategy?

10 00:45:39

Yeah, so that's a great question.

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so when I was in pharmacy, I was not a traditional pharmacist.

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I either worked in the clinical setting or I worked in corporate.

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So in marketing always in marketing.

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And so I was already a strategic person, I was already creative.

10 00:45:56

And so those things kind of came naturally for me.

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And I had built a medical writing and consulting business,

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that was very successful.

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And all through relationship marketing.

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back then there wasn't SEO, there wasn't social media, it

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was all relationship marketing.

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And so I had grown that business.

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Well then when my boys were.

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And they were like upper middle school ages, and my daughter was still a toddler.

10 00:46:23

Our nanny got sick and I was working part-time, but I was working for myself.

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even if you're only working 30 hours a week, that's a lot.

10 00:46:30

When your husband travels, 50% of the time you have no family where

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you live and you're doing it all.

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And that, so I lost my only source of like real help.

10 00:46:38

And then our son was showing signs and symptoms of anxiety and I was

10 00:46:43

like, my husband and I talked about it and we're like, this is, we can't

10 00:46:47

keep up this pace or our family's not gonna be healthy and survive.

10 00:46:50

So he's like, you love photography, do something with it.

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And I was like, what?

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He goes, yeah, do something with your photography.

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I see you when you do it, you light up, And it had been a

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hobby my whole entire life.

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And it really did ease my anxiety.

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It really did help me using that as a creative outlet.

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so I started a blog and within six weeks I had my first.

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Paying client, which was a branding client, and I did all of her photography

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for her website, her CD cover.

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She was an artist, a musician and entertainer.

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And that was it.

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I was like, oh my gosh, I love this.

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So I did that for 11 years, headshot and branding photography.

10 00:47:29

And then, towards the end of that 11 years, I saw women did not know how to

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build a foundation for their business.

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They didn't know I was very strategically creating these images for them to use.

10 00:47:43

They didn't know what to do with it.

10 00:47:44

So then I started consulting in that way, and then I got a certification in

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branding, and became a brand specialist.

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And then that just led one thing to another.

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I learned.

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So much.

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And I created like a mini agency type, environment where I had a website

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designer, I had a copywriter, I had a social media expert, I had a videographer,

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and then I did the photography and did the coaching around building

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the foundation for your business.

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And so, that's how I got to where I am today.

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And I, yeah, I wrote the book and when I wrote the book, I was like, well, I've got

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the podcast, the book, the photography, the, I'm like, I can't do all this.

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So I let the photography go, sold my studio to a photographer

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that had been working with me.

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And yeah.

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And when I wrote the book, I felt God saying to me, I want you to do

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something for moms and teen girls.

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Well, you know, when he calls you to something, you should do it.

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Because here I am three years later and I'm like, okay, so I am.

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Working on more certifications, be getting ACC credentialed, and a lot of

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things are gonna kind of pivot soon.

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Ah, so we're, are we, are we going to, is the announcement here or is

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it something that you're moving in a

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too calm, it's too come.

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We're still mapping that out, so, yeah.

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Yeah,

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yeah.

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I've built a really good thing with my business and, I love what I do, so I don't

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know that that's going away, but I think there will be some shifts in additions.

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how does the work you've done with anxiety spill over into the work

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you do with business growth and strategy, and then how does it

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it's.

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Does it cause any conflict at all?

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No, I would say it does not cause any conflict whatsoever.

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But what it has done is given me the gift to be able to help more people, because

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a lot of women are, they're, because of social media and a lot innately,

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are, you know, they get sucked into comparison, imposter syndrome, doubt,

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fear, and all of those negative emotions.

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And so we have to do a lot of mindset work and it's, it really is, being

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able to coach them through that and discovering, you know, okay, is this real?

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Is this not real?

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And how can I really access, you know, the gifts that I

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have and my identity in Christ?

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And so all of that becomes a very important part of everything I do,

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because people can't show up authentically if they don't understand themselves.

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And what is making their nervous system churn, you know?

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Yeah, I actually could see it could be a good fit.

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one of the things I thought of as I was reading through the book, I was

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just kind of going, okay, as a leader, you're a leader, over 20 people, let's

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say the chances of someone that's, I know you wrote specifically for parents,

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however, in my mind, I'm sitting here going, what can I understand about

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this from being of an organization?

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I thought it was helpful.

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I wanna tell you the thing that I, my personality enjoyed the most as

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if my personality really matters.

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But what, what I

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Of course it does.

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I was going through and I was feeling a little bit, I don't wanna say down,

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but you were identifying the issues with anxiety then there was a chapter

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titled Laughter and I went, oh well.

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Things just changed a little bit.

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The next chapter was kindness.

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The next chapter is apologies.

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The next chapter, I mean, you could see I've got 'em all turned down here.

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The next chapter is trust.

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And I'm sitting here going, okay.

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She just kind of wrote faith, you know, she just all of a sudden wrote

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something that is for everyone, that we all need this type stuff.

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But, there was one other one I can't com comparison.

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I think that's when I got into social media, so I enjoyed it.

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The book is, you, me and Anxiety take action over Anxiety to enjoy being you.

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And, I think it's valuable for someone who either is going through

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it like you said, or they're a parent.

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I also think it has some applications for people in a leadership role.

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I've got,

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Mm-hmm.

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organization that kind of oversee to some extent, I'm sitting here

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going, what are the chances?

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That there's someone in that organization that deals with this.

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And I don't know exactly what I would do.

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don't, I don't think I would say get over it anymore.

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So if, if nothing else, maybe you've achieved and accomplished

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things there, but tell, tell people.

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Robin, I've got a couple other things and I'm gonna wrap up with something

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that I think is very important from you.

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Mm-hmm.

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tell people how they could connect with you.

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Tell 'em the type people that maybe should do this from the business growth

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strategist, if you wanna send them there.

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who needs to get the book and where they could go.

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I'm sure it's Amazon and all that, but just go ahead and tell all of that.

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We'll include it down in the notes.

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Sure.

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Absolutely Tim, thank you for that opportunity.

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The best place to find me is on my website, the robin graham.com.

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It's Robin with a y and Graham, just like the cracker, the robin graham.com.

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You can find the book there, the podcast there.

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the blog there, there is just a plethora of information as well as free resources.

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And on the resource page, the robin graham.com/resources, there's

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actually, a free ebook that, talks about developing healthy habits

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to be able to navigate anxiety and have a healthy, purposeful life.

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So I do encourage you, to download that if you have experienced anxiety or if you

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know someone who has, and as far Tim as leaders go, I just want to encourage like.

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There are so many things about mental health that can impact how a person

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performs, what their quality of work is, what their quantity of work is, how

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they interact, and with a team, how they either produce or bring a team down.

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So it really is important that we have this conversation.

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Well over 50% of people in the United States have anxiety, a

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clinical diagnosis of anxiety that doesn't even include the people that

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have it and have not sought help.

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So chances are if you are in a leadership role, there's someone on

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your team who may be experiencing this or experiencing it with their child.

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Yeah, that's good.

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I appreciate you saying that because that was part of, one of the questions

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I was gonna ask is speak to the leaders.

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Mm-hmm.

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I wanna ask, this will be my final question before I wrap up, is I believe

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it would be really great for you to give a word of encouragement to someone

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who may have been listening in and they've said, oh, that sounds like me.

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just if someone's been listening in, they saw the title and it had anxiety

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in the title, give them some uplifting, whatever the Holy Spirit puts on your

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heart to take a minute or so and share.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So the very first thing that I wanna say is you're not alone.

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There are many other people who are suffering alongside you, and I will be

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praying for everyone who is listening.

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if you feel that this describes you and you might have anxiety, please seek help.

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There is nothing shameful whatsoever about having a mental health diagnosis.

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So I encourage you to ask your physician, ask a friend, a neighbor, someone to

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recommend a therapist to you, because the more we are aware of any mental

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health challenges, the better we're going to be able to navigate them,

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the better quality of life we're gonna have, and the better quality of life

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our family is going to have, and the deeper our relationships will become.

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And we all need each other.

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This isn't something you do in a silo.

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Thank you Robin.

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Robin Graham, I appreciate you being a guest.

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I appreciate you writing the book.

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You, me, and Anxiety Take Action Over Anxiety to enjoy being you.

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Grab a copy of this.

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