Here's where I differ a little bit, and maybe I'm uneducated, it's clearly possible. Um, I don't think prices are high because of who's president. So, so, prices are high because of corporate greed. And who they just in, uh, in elected is only going to support corporations.

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So Sandy, Bryan, Alyssa, welcome to pull up and speak up. I want to ask some questions for you guys, and I did an alphabetical order. So nobody feels slighted, but, uh, Alyssa, can you tell us a little more about where you're currently residing, uh, your family and your area of business?

Yeah, sure. Um, so I live in Massachusetts, I'm born and raised and, and right outside of Boston and I live in Linfield now. Um, I am, as I like to say, the CEO of my household. That is my current job. I have two little boys, four and two years old, so they keep me quite busy. Um, and, but I am formally in, from the digital advertising world. So, um, I spent many, many years there before I left to take care of my daughter, who, um, three years ago passed away of cancer. So I'm still, though, just running the household.

Okay, cool. And Bryan, tell us about where you reside and your family and your area of business.

Sure, Chris. I live on the Upper West Side of Manhattan. I've been here about eight years, born and raised New Yorker. Um, divorced father of three adult children. They're my Children, but they're adults, and they teach me a lot. And right now I'm unofficially retired and loving it.

And Sandy, you batting. And clean up.

Thanks. Thanks for having me on too. Um, so I am in Burlington, Massachusetts. I've been here about 24 years. Originally from Rochester, New York, but I came here to college in 1982 and never left. I have a 25 year old daughter and a husband, and I currently am an executive assistant in a private equity firm.

Well, welcome guys. We really appreciate it. We're excited to hear your thoughts on what we're going to go over today. So the question I have is, Sandy, I'm going to speak. to you on this, right? You know, obviously, um, there's a lot of emotion. There's a lot of things have been going on since the 2024 election on November 5th. You guys have a busy schedule. You have families, you're working. So the question I have for you, which I will ask everyone, but I'm gonna start with you. Why did you want to come on, pull up, speak up? Um,

I think it's, it's always been my opinion that the reason we are in the situation we are in is because we don't talk about politics and religion. It's because we've been raised to make those taboo subjects. And I believe by not talking about them, it further divides. Folks on any religion, politics, pretty much any topic. So I think the more that you can have civil conversations about things, even if you disagree, that's how you come together.

Awesome. Alyssa.

Yeah, that's so well said. We really have been raised to not talk about politics. I mean, it's everywhere right now with Thanksgiving coming next week. It's anywhere you look. It's like, don't bring up politics. Don't bring up politics because, you know, it's going to divide your Thanksgiving dinner table. And I don't, I don't agree with that. I wanted to come on because I really think we need to talk about what is happening in this country, but also just how we feel about it and, and without judging anybody for it and trying to hear each side of the coin and just try to. Try to find some sort of, you know, unity in the thoughts that we have.

And then Bryan

yeah, it's real simple. Tony and I worked together at direct TV before he started. I might've been Warner brothers. Actually, he started a weekly or bi weekly session. I was always afraid to join these sessions because I felt. If my opinions were not agreed with, there might be consternation or problems, but what I saw through those efforts was that it was okay to speak your mind and actually good to speak your mind. There are other people that agreed with you. Um, it became a, it was a positive versus a negative.

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So I wanted to open the discussion with you guys. And since I was in alphabetical order and got a chance to go, Bryan, it's your turn to go first with this question. What were your thoughts during the election cycle and how did they align with your impression? After the results came out.

Yeah, I was, I was probably over involved the last couple of weeks. I was consuming a lot of social media and traditional cable news. I was watching CNN for the most part, and they would have roundtables. And I was really emotionally invested in the Harris campaign. I had my own opinions about what they could do better. Obviously. You know, they do what they do. I had some real concerns about the money that was spent. There's so many, like a billion dollars raised, some absurd amount of money. And I felt, I felt, I was cautiously optimistic, but I felt that them attacking Trump all the time, nonstop, um, sort of, sort of, uh, not exaggerating. They didn't exaggerate. He said what he said, it was all on video. Um, but they were just focused on the negative nature of him personally, and I felt that that was a mistake, that they needed to really talk about ideas, like what electing Kamala Harris would mean for me, or, you know. My neighbor. Um, when, when the results came out, I was sad. I did the exact opposite. I've stopped consuming media about it. It's too sad. I'm obviously disappointed. I'm a progressive. Um, I supported Bernie Sanders in 16 and in 20. But my, what's happened to me is I've withdrawn from the dialogue about it. I don't want to hear other people talking about it. I'm, I'm very disgusted at how it was done. And now the aftermath, the finger pointing all this stuff like I'm actually getting mad now talking about it. Like, these people who had terrible ideas before were on television talking about it and they made money. and now it's after the Election and they're telling us what was done wrong. Well, they were part of the whole process of the last people. I'm going to listen to is them.

So same question to you, Sandy. What were your thoughts during the election cycle and how they align with your impressions after results came about?

Well, I'm going to agree with a lot of what Bryan just said. Um, but to add my own input, um, I never thought Donald Trump would won, would win, never in a million years. I, I, I just couldn't see, I had a lot more faith in people and how people feel, how people feel about other people than what, than what happened. Um, I, again, I also, after the, after, as the results were coming out, I, and previous, I was taking in a lot of media. I was watching everything. And then since then, it says the woman who just said, we need to talk about it. I stopped consuming all the media as well, just because I, I don't see a way forward. I don't see a peaceful way forward. I'm also full of hope. And I think that in general. Humanity will do the right thing.

And then lastly, Alyssa, same thing for you during the election cycle. Did they align with your impression of the outcome?

Um, yeah, so I also was consuming a tremendous amount of media leading up to the election. I think I started well, before a couple of weeks before a month before I started 107 days before when Kamala Harris was clearly going to be the Democratic nominee. Um, That alone filled me with so much hope, just the fact that we were going to have this woman be our, the Democratic nominee. It just gave me so much hope and, and for the future of our country. And then definitely leading up to the election, there was just so, I mean, the amount of information that we were all consuming. I don't remember there ever being a time in my life that I've ever consumed this much information. Um, And like Bryan and Sandy, I agree with so much of what they say about, you know, there were things that I, um, that, that I, I wish the Harris campaign had done differently. Um, but, but with that said, I, like Sandy said, never in a million years. Did I think that she would lose? I, I just had my fundamental belief that people are good and see good and want good. Was just like, that's just the way it was going to be like, this is what's going to happen. So, you know, then the night of the election and I'm notorious for this. I always sit up and watch the election results I have since I was a kid. Um, I'm watching and I'm, it's becoming very real. She's going to lose. And I was shocked. Um, and like Sandy and Bryan, I have basically just like shut down my media consumption about anything that has to do with politics. Um, because it scares me. It scares me.

Right, right, right, right. Let me ask you this because you guys all pretty much agreed on something that Bryan kicked off where, um, Bryan, you stated that, you know, the Harris camp was saying a lot of negative stuff about Trump. It really wasn't focused on what they would, what she or her administration would do for the American people. Right? But at the same time. Sandy and Alyssa, you guys both said I still didn't think they were gonna elect them. Okay, so let me I got two questions here. All right. And I want you guys to tell me exactly. So what could have been said differently that would have made people change their vote from voting from Harris to Trump? What? What? What message would have been different? That would have made a people? That they were basically based on what you guys are saying. She was just basically saying he's this, he's that versus I'm going to help a prices go down. I want to know from you guys, what message people needed to hear that you knew for a fact they were going to change their vote based on hearing this message versus knowing all the bad stuff or the background of Trump. Go ahead, Bryan.

I was going to say to me, the major miss was what I would have done, I would have allowed his former cabinet members, generals, people outside of her to say what they said about Trump, like their truth, they were in a meeting with him, he said this, um, you know, he's a fascist, et cetera. But if I were her, I would have completely, I would have ignored it. I would have instead. The thing I think she did, which was a huge mistake, they never validated that people were not well off financially. They always spoke to sort of the technical nature of inflation. Oh, inflation's down. It's only up 2 percent now. Yeah, but, but the price of items is up 40 percent from four years ago. And if you, like, I'm okay, you know, I, I have money. I'll be okay when things are more expensive. I don't like it, but I can survive. But if you're a family of four, a family of five, a family of three, and, you know, you're buying groceries and it's 150. And it used to be 100. You know, just the fact that it was 148 last week isn't a win, you know? And I really think they ignored it. I think they essentially said, No, no, no, your feelings. Your, your reality is not valid. Things aren't that bad. Look at the stock market. So I, I actually never felt that they showed empathy for people that had real concerns. Now there are people with that, had fake concerns, and there are people that aren't intelligent enough to know the difference, and they exist too. But you can only speak to the people In their world, and I think the Harris campaign didn't do that. I'm not sure why But they didn't do it.

So so so So sandy Alyssa if they did that let's let's um, let's just let's project if they did that Do you think the election would be different?

You know, here's here's where I differ a little bit and maybe i'm under Uneducated it's clearly possible. Um, I don't think prices are high because of who's president So, so prices are high because of corporate greed and who they just elected is only going to support corporations, big, huge corporations. So, I think they're misinformed if they think he's going to bring grocery prices down. So, I mean, I don't that's not answering the question. I realized that, but.

No, you, you answered it. No, no, you answered, you answered the question. Alyssa, what was your thoughts?

Uh, yeah, I agree. I, I could not agree more with Bryan on that. I, I listen, hindsight is 2020. Like now I'm looking back and well, everything I saw Harris on every podcast, every talk show, every single place I saw her, I was like, yes, yes, yes. Love what you're saying. Yeah. Especially as a woman, because she really dug into women's reproductive rights and and as as she should be as anybody should be. Um, but now looking back, where was that discussion about the economy? Where was that? Like, it wasn't enough to say, I'm from a middle class family. I was raised by a single mother out in California and I lived with, and I was taken care of by, you know, the woman that she kept mentioning with, took care of her and her sister. That's great. But what about now? What about now in the people? I mean, it's like 75 percent of the country is struggling and there was never the validation of that. And never, how are we gonna, how are we gonna help these people? Bye. There's this other side that Sandy mentioned. I, I agree. The price of groceries has nothing. I mean, to my knowledge, to do with who the sitting president is. We're not thinking, in my opinion, about what happened 2020 to 2022, which was a global pandemic. And what goes on in the world and then in our country. During a pandemic is we have to go into like survival mode, which is less like the least, I mean, the best way I can say it. And naturally after something like that, prices are going to inflate. We have like, it's like this balancing act of something really bad happened. We had to protect ourselves. We had to find relief. And now here we are, we're feeling the effects of that. And naturally in a couple of years, we're going to feel The relief of it again. And guess who's going to get the credit for that. And that I can't make sense of that. I don't want to say the American people aren't intelligent enough to know that it's not that it's just like the misinformation and that's on the Harris campaign, the Harris campaign. We should have been talking about that. And I don't, it never, there was a lot of, oh, yeah, well, Trump's going to put tariffs on all of our goods and et cetera, et cetera. But there was never discussion about how we even got here and how it's going to improve. Um, and it really doesn't have anything to do with who's sitting in the Oval Office.

Have you guys ever, this might be a little inside politic, but there's a Congresswoman from California, Katie Porter, and she's famous. For like having the head of Citibank in front of Congress and she pulls out a little whiteboard and she starts saying, okay, I make, you know, my family makes 2, 500 and she does the math. And I really think Harris could have gone on podcasts or, and just talked about the fact that one, international inflation was much worse than U. S. inflation. We actually did really well. I know it sounds, it doesn't make intuitive sense. But I've been traveling and people over there, like, inflation is much higher in Spain and in France, uh, and in Germany than it is here. So, like, I really think some basic education, you know, in an intelligent way, could have been done. I think too much time was spent on character assassination.

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I agree with that. I have a, I have a really quick question relating to that. I know this will probably get to this later, but how I sort of feel like. It almost doesn't matter. People were so entrenched in their sides that was it really going to matter? Who says what? When

the

end of the day worth a try, but I hear you. Right? Definitely worth a try

and that's what I was going to from the messaging standpoint. Right? Is that. You know, people are so to Sandy's point was so ingrained and I think. You know, and that's why I wanted to dive into what Sandy and Alyssa spoke about a little bit. Like, I'm shocked that he's president, right? Well, there's a ton of people. And if we look at the stats, his numbers increased in every demographic from 2020, right? He got every demographic, not that he, he outdid her in every demographic, but his numbers increase from males, Hispanics, black males, um, every, every, every, every demographic, New Yorkers, New York, everybody, right? So it wasn't that it was, it wasn't, that's what it wasn't the rural South or rural Connecticut or rural No, my neighbors right here. And so, so everyone, so, so evidently there was a message that resonated, right? The thing is, the question I want to ask you guys is that out of everything that happened, what surprised you the most in terms of the people that voted for him? What surprised you the most, Sandy?

White women. Yes.

You say white women, like, what do you mean?

He had a, he had a majority of white women voting for him, like any woman in my opinion, but

yeah,

white women and like, you just voted against your own health and your own

also, I'm sorry, I don't, I just back to what you just said, Tony, about that. He, his numbers increased in every demographic from the 2020 election. Well, why do we think he didn't get these numbers in the 2020 election? Because he was the president from 2016 to 2020 and people needed and wanted a change. That's at least, for me, I feel like that's common sense. Like, But now I feel like there's some rewriting of history going on, and we're now romanticizing his term in office 2016 to 2020. Why didn't more people vote for him in 2020? Why did now are all these people and I get it like, right? We want people want change and they need change and et cetera, et cetera. But, like, we're not thinking about 2016 to 2020 when we're going into this 2024 election. So, and then. Like Sandy just said, I am shocked at the number of women who voted for this man. Um, women who generally not just women, because also like men, no women, they love women, they love their daughters, I would think, or they know women who they care about. And I just can't wrap my brain around how you can go and vote for somebody who's Like, very clearly telling you, you are not going to have the rights in the greatest country in the world that you should have. And so, and I also don't understand the, the. Like, the Hispanic vote, I would, I want to understand why so many Hispanic and Latino people are going and voting for this person, but I can't. I'm not like, how are the numbers greater? I'm confused. Is it that economy piece again? Is that what it comes down to

you guys? Uh, spoke about some of the missteps of the Harris campaign and opportunities that you feel like could have been established during that time. But I would like to ask, you know, and I'll start with you, Sandy, why do you think Trump's message resonated with such a large portion of the electorate in 2024? Were there any particular parts that differentiate it from. The Democratic side that stood out to you.

Well, I think going off what Bryan had spoken about where the Harris campaign sort of ignored the economy piece of it. I think. The Trump campaign went heavy in on the economy and made big promises about what he was going to do for the economy and and. That's, I think everybody says that, right? It's the economy, stupid, right? That, and then I also think this whole immigration thing, which also, I believe there's been misinformation around there's a, I mean, I know a lot of people I know personally on the Trump side of things. That was a big part of it. Peace for them was the flow of immigrants over, you know, through the borders. And they didn't think that Democrats, they thought the Democrats were too welcoming and everybody's getting free money and all of that.

And Alyssa, what was your perspective on what about the Trump message? Or I'm not sure how much you leaned into that message, but what about that message do you feel like resonated with the, the electorate in 2024?

I, I agree with Sandy. I think There was a lot, a lot of discussion regarding the economy that you just didn't hear on the Harris side. And just, I mean, I've never heard anyone talk about immigration. As much as Donald Trump does, I mean, the entire, if you go back to the debate, that's all he talked about. Every question he answered with that had nothing to do with immigration. He answered with an immigration answer. Um, I, and I don't really remember the Harris campaign talking that much about immigration and the borders. Um. I think on the Harris side of things, there was so much discussion about reproductive rights, more like of these morality and ethics, um, stances versus these very real, real things for so many people in this country that Trump really honed in on and JD Vance really honed in on. I mean, there was constant discussion about people having no money and not being able to feed their children and the price of eggs, et cetera. And I think that really resonated with people, um, because they, people are struggling and, and I've heard from people on the Trump side, a lot of people, um, saying, you know, when Donald Trump was president, I had more money than I've ever had before. And now I can barely afford groceries every week. So I think that that just really hit home for so many people in this country.

Same to you, uh, you know, obviously we, we, it was mentioned earlier about the fact that we were all at home and so we were able to save more money, but in the concept of

why do

you think Trump's message resonated with such a large portion of the electorate?

Well, I, I actually think, like, I don't think he's a very bright man. I think he's an ignorant man. Like I think if, if we actually did like a test. In SAT, he, he failed miserably, but one thing they did well was, they went on podcasts. They sort of identified young men as this group of people that don't vote, so he would show up at UFC, he's always been like UFC guy, Hulk Hogan, Kid Rock, all these like, what we would consider freaks, um, but he went on Joe Rogan, you know, but I also think the Democrats, there was obviously this festering unhappiness. With a democratic brand what Democrats stand for and it was there and you'd think if they had a billion dollars now I'm gonna get a little angry They had a billion dollars They could have spent a little bit on asking people about it finding out about it because clearly it was there Like they interviewed people after the election. They're just like I mean, the other thing, Alyssa just mentioned a debate. I'd forgotten about the debate. Do you remember how awful he was? How incredibly stupid he was? How incredibly unpolished? Like, you watch that debate and you're like, This guy can't talk to the president of France. Um, he's an idiot. The pets thing. I mean, It's amazing that that debate actually didn't matter. Because, underneath the surface, not with me, I'm unhappy with the Democratic brand, too. Like, if you ask me, they stink. They're the worst. They're slightly better than the Republicans, but not much. They all stand for big business, okay? But, they don't want to take away a woman's right to choose. They don't want to take a black man's right to vote away. They don't want, they don't want to do things that are, like, possibly awful. They don't say that, that the Ku Klux Klan and, and progressive marchers are the same people. Like, so, yeah, I'll vote for them if it's a binary choice. But there obviously was this under, this underbelly of dissatisfaction that was never discovered. And it's amazing to me. That it was never discovered.

Right. Right. Let me ask you guys this. Do you think racism, sexism and xenophobia played a part in the election at all?

Yes. Yeah. I think I hear a lot. I'm hearing after the election, the little bits of coverage I consumed like the day after, and then I had to stop. I, there was a lot of that discussion, like, did this have to do with Harris being a woman, does this have to do with Trump being a white male? Does this have to do with, um, Harris being black or Indian or whatever it is? Um, and, and a lot of experts. We're like, no, um, it doesn't show in the numbers. It doesn't show in the numbers. However, to Bryan's point, Donald Trump was spending a tremendous amount of time on podcasts specifically, um, that young white men listen to. And we all know Donald Trump has, um, little to no, I'm going to go with no respect for women. Um, And he doesn't speak with any respect toward women. Um, So I can't imagine that it didn't have something to do with it. Like, I cannot imagine that there weren't men and women and women going in and voting for Donald Trump because they didn't think Harris could do the job because she's a woman or because she's black. Now we have had a black president, but let's rewind to then in all the, I mean, Obama had two years leading up to the 2008 election to prepare, prepare the American people for a black man to be president. I'm using the word prepare, not because I want to use that word, but that's how it's discussed. Oh, we have to get ready for this. We have to be, make people comfortable with it. Um, so Kamala Harris had 107 days and I think, you know, A lot of people are like, no, she shouldn't talk about the fact that she's a woman or the first woman or whatever that could be president. I actually disagree with that. I think we should be talking about that. I think we should be talking about it because it's important because the reality is in this country, despite it being the freest country in the world. In the most advanced country in the world, there's a gigantic chunk of this country who cannot even imagine the idea of a woman being in charge of anything, nevermind the whole country. Um, so yeah, Hillary ran and did not, she won the popular vote. Let's not forget. Let's not forget that she did win the popular vote. Um, so I don't know that it's a huge reason why Kamala lost, but there, it has to be, it has to be part of the discussion that she is a woman and she is. A black woman,

right? Right. Sandy

look at where I work in private equity, which is run by a bunch of 65 year old white men. We don't have a woman in in any sort of elevated position in my little microcosm of the company. And I just think that. Whether I don't even I don't think it's economic. I think it's broad based throughout that people don't want to see a woman in power.

Yeah, we're, we're too emotional. We're too emotional.

Oh, right. We can't be trusted with the earlier.

So, let me say this though, right? Let's look at the facts. Right. Donald Trump has run for president three times. Who did he beat?

Right. Two women,

two women, two women. Okay. What numbers increased this time? You guys just talked about it, right? The male. No, the male. All right. Who didn't even vote before.

Yeah.

All right. A lot of. So, I mean, the facts are, those are the facts. He beat 2 women and then the guy he ran up against, he lost. So the country based on that the country doesn't seem like it's ready for a woman president. Okay, and it's not about qualifications Bryan, what's your thoughts on that racism sexism xenophobia? Do you think that played a part in the election?

I actually think the biggest part was xenophobia. I think immigration. I think immigration in the economy I sort of agree. I think one of the most brilliant and distasteful things that was ever done was when the border state Is sent by bus and maybe by plane as well. Um, it was brilliant because it essentially allowed people who only see it on the news to experience it and experience how awful it was. And then you could, you know, I know a lot of New Yorkers. I live on the Upper West Side. We had, we had a place, we had a shelter nearby. People saw it, it became more real. So I think the xenophobia and one of the things we talked about earlier, which is the most disappointing, and I'm not sure I meant, I, I answered that was the idea of Latinos voting for Trump. Or Muslims voting for Trump is just, it's almost like an SNL skit. Like saying, okay, pull the lever for Trump. And then we're either going to kill you. You'll be deported right after. Okay. It's insane. Yeah. Right. But they interviewed people and me and Alyssa are showing like we actually do watch a little after the fact. That's true. They interviewed, you know, some Latinos who said. We made our decision a long time ago. Like this, we made this decision a year, two years ago. Like we just, we, we don't think Biden knows what he's doing. Let

me, let me throw this into the mix. Okay. Cause based on what I'm hearing, I want to ask you guys this question. Do you feel that the bot excuse me, the Harris camp, their campaign was more on morality, more on how terrible he is. Look at his background, right? And based on that, I wouldn't see anybody voting for him, right? Because to be fair, she had 200 Republicans come out and said, I work with the guy, he's horrible. Um, you look, he, uh, the insurrection, okay, which people just forgot about, all right, that he tried to overthrow, right? The felony convictions. Right. Let's be fair here. Right. Let's educate. Okay. In most states, if you have a felony, you can't even vote. Okay. Just most, you can't vote. All right. He has felony convictions and he's running for president. So do you feel that that really was the game plan that Hey, let's just attack him. And then from a morality standpoint, yeah, eggs cost a lot more money. Yeah. All these other things, but people will look at their morality and say, we can't have him for president. What's your thoughts on that?

Yes.

Sandy. Yeah.

Yes. Yes. No, it's true.

Well, you guys say yes. What do you mean by, yes. Go ahead. Go ahead.

Oh, um, I mean, It, I think that the Kamala campaign really believed in what she was saying, which was, we are like, we're such good people. The American people are good people. We are smart people. We, you know. You know, there's so we have so much more and I sound, I sound like I work for a campaign guys. We have so much more in common than we do. That divides us. And I, I don't disagree with that. However, she really played into it. She played into it so much so that she, I mean, the, I've never seen the amount of celebrities. We're out coming out and supporting her. I've never seen anything like that in campaign in any election in campaign history, and it was all morality, right? Like how could we possibly go back 50, a hundred years in terms of women's rights? And, um, And black people, right? I'm sorry, not just black, all different nationalities rights. How can we possibly Yeah, people of color. Yeah, people of color. Civil rights. Yes, civil, thank you. Civil rights. No problem. How are we going to go back? So, everything that they were doing was, I believe they were, they just really thought like, there's no way anybody in this country can possibly think that it's okay for a felon, for a rapist, for a, a lot of things that he is to be at the holding this incredibly powerful, most important seat in the entire world. Like, I really think they thought that that people will. We'll put aside the price of eggs. People will put aside this whole notion of immigrants getting free money. They're going to, it means more to them. It's more important to them. The morality, we're parents, right? We're all parents. We can't let our children see a guy who is a 34 time convicted felon sitting in the seat of president. How could you tell your kids you went in and voted for it? Don't we raise our children to No matter what, we don't do bad things, because if you do bad things, you get in trouble. Nope. Nope, not anymore. Not anymore.

Go ahead, Bryan. Go ahead.

So, so don't talk, like, it's all factual. It's being covered elsewhere. You know, I think putting him on trial, that New York City trial was so stupid. It looked so selective, you know. A lot of men have done a lot of things to women that don't go to trial. Like, that was so stupid. The insurrection, trying to get votes. Find the 11, 000 votes. That was real. The democratic party has to be the stupidest party ever. They had a billion dollars, billion dollars, an old fat, demented white guy, pasty white guy with bad hair, bad posture, bad everything. All we could do with our time was to remind people of his personal failures. Give me a break. So,

so like, let me, let me interject on this though, right? Because I think that the thought process may have been that we wanted to take things from allegedly and the allegations of to the factual, like you said, the facts of the thing. So the conviction. So now it's beyond conjecture. It's beyond speculation. So the, the, the alleged rape or the alleged, the speculative fraud, Now we're, we're honing in on these things have been proven in the United States court of law in a New York City court of like

in the United States, but convicted in New York is easy for his people and it's easy to say, of course, he was like, do I believe he was guilty? Of course, but it's easy to throw stones and say, see, I'm guilty. It's the DOJ. Who's the DOJ run by? Joe Biden. Well, it isn't, but

Bryan, Bryan, let me throw this in though. So, and again, these are the things that have transpired. So, you know, it's unfortunate that now it depends on what court you get convicted in, right? The court don't matter depending on where it's at. All right. If it's in New York, it's, you know, they're, they're against them, but if it's in, you know, uh, Atlanta or if it's in Des Moines, Iowa, then it's legit. So, I mean, this is where we are today, right? However, You can't get over insurrection. Okay. Let's be fair. Okay. No, but my point is, is that that's what I'm trying to say here. We're, this is where we are now. People are pulling, picking hairs on certain things of an individual, right? Versus looking at the toe tap. Forget it. That's what, that's what Chris was talking about. Forget the alleged stuff. Forget the, it was in this court or that court. We're talking about. Convictions. And we're talking about, uh, insurrection that everybody saw and his own people came out against them on the same people that standing up who became secretary of state or who'd been nominated for secretary of state. All these people that were in the history now is being nominated for his cabinet. Well, the ones that are on TV and it was despicable. Okay. And so, and, and, and, and we're talking trees, treason. Right? That's forgotten, right? That's go ahead, Sandy.

A lot of voters, though. believe that that insurrection didn't happen.

I just, that's so laughable. She's right. She

is right. She is. This is where we are now. It depends on what court, it depends on, you know, the document

you can see. It

depends. You created this doubt. Go ahead.

Right. But it all comes back to the same thing then don't talk so much about that. Talk about your plan. How am I going to make your life better? When you focus on the 25 things he did, which are heinous, you are not, it's a zero sum game. You're not talking about. Her idea for small businesses or, um, you know, just, just trying to help the economy or like her idea for housing. There's obviously a housing crisis in the U. S. She had ideas. They just never, they never talked to really about them because they were always, Always superseded by the big, nasty, personal, you know, like, the things that, actually, when you think about it, when a family wakes up in the morning, and the father has a job, and maybe the mother has a job too, and they put the kids off to school, are they really thinking about the insurrection? No, they're not. I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm just saying, like, stop talking about it. It's been, it's been debated. It's been discussed. You try, you try to win the presidency or win an argument? Like which one are you trying to do?

Yeah. I mean, so here, here's the thing though. I hear that the thing with that though is now. Those things don't matter regardless. So in other words, in other words, those things would matter. Okay. At the end of the day. So, so, so, and I don't want to use that. I don't want to use that. Those things. Yes. Those things should matter because care, let me ask you this. You and I worked at the same company before, right? Before we worked at that company, we had to do what? Take a background check, right? Okay. And guess what? If they would have looked into our back when, excuse me, when they looked into our background, if they saw we had felonies, they saw all those other things. Well, we got the job. Would they have hired us, Bryan? No, no. So, so that part matters. So, so you can't say, Hey, they're not saying they're not when they're, when they're looking at our background. I'm like, well, you know what? We don't want to bring this up. He's a good guy and we think he's going to do a good job. Okay. We think in this and that. So, you know what, let's just omit that we're being held to that standard. Let's be fair now. Aren't we? We're being held to that standard. But when it comes to the presidency, we're not supposed to talk about those things. We're supposed to talk about eggs. We're supposed to talk about

Because, because those things have been talked about. The insurrection was four years ago. Do I think it was good? No, it was awful. Lost, lost in all this, the fact that the Democrats, when they counted the votes and said the Republicans won, the Democrats said you win. Case closed. In the two weeks leading up to the election, Donald Trump and his people created all this doubt in the, in the swing states about vote counting. There are two sets of rules, but as my wife used to, my ex wife used to say, like, what do you want to accomplish? Do you want to change hearts and minds or do you want to win an argument? Because if you're looking to win an argument, you know, big deal. You just won an argument, but you haven't won hearts and minds. So what good is it? Like these other things. They were facts. Let people consume them as they will. Let them believe it or not. It's up to them. You can't hit them over the head with a mallet. Talk about the things moving forward. That's what I think. That's what I thought during. To me, the outcome clearly proved that the insurrection, the New York City conviction, people, you know, his conversation with Zelinsky, perfectly good call. You just don't care. People don't care about it.

Would people care though if it were flipped, if Kamala was the one with this background?

I don't know. No, I know, I know about emails. I about emails. When Hillary Clinton,

hold on, let do this. I, I'll say the point. I'm going to let me ask you this question. Yeah. What was the movie? Uh, Chris, uh, time to kill. Remember that movie? So close your eyes. Okay. Close your eyes and let's flip everything and keep it the same. This guy, his name is Trump. He's got the same stuff, the same marketing, the same background. When you, when you close your eyes, you see him as a black man. All right. Does he get elected? Nope. No, no, no. Okay. He doesn't. So that's what I'm, this is my point here. He wouldn't even be on the ballot. So you don't, that's what I'm trying to say. Those things, as much as they make sense from a logic standpoint. They don't. They don't. So it's more than that. It's more than the messaging because the people that voted for her, I'll be honest with you. They, uh, they're not all rich. They didn't, they're still buying eggs. They're, they're all those, but they looked at it differently. That's my point here. So there's something that must be missing. I'm trying to figure it out. But at the end of the day, if you flip it, Okay. And, or, or if he was, she was a woman, if it was, they wouldn't have voted for if Trump was a woman. Okay. Let's be fair. If Trump was a woman with the same stuff, saying a billionaire, you can name all the same stuff. You're going to sit here and tell me that they would have voted for her. No. Chris just made a really

good point. And my husband actually just recently sent me this clip because I forgot all about it as all of us have. Um, The emails with Hillary Clinton, my good Lord. Did Donald Trump stand on a soap box in 2016? Well, 2016 about those emails. And there is an interview that he did. This is the clip. My husband sent me that he went on and on about what it would look like for this country. If a convicted felon, if she were to go to trial and become a convicted felon, she would then, how could we ever? Live in a country where we could live with ourselves who elected a convicted felon, like I forgot all about that as like Bryan mentioned people, you know, the insurrection was 4 years ago. I don't want to like, kind of like, just move past that because it was 4 years ago, but a life was lost and there is a massive part of this country. Who still believe that either it didn't happen or that Donald Trump never did any of the things that not only have shown on video, but they're in writing. They're in writing. Alyssa,

Alyssa, they're gone. They're gone. And they're never coming back. That's a third of the country. I'm just spitballing that will literally never return to reality. And we either want to win elections. Or I, I might move out of the country, I might, and because that, that's not, that's never going to change. You've seen, whether it's Comedy Central or, you know, they go to these Trump rallies and interview people and they are dumb as a bag of rocks and they're not going to get any smarter. And they're having kids, probably having more kids than, than we're having. And um, you know, they're lost forever. And do we want to win elections? Now, Bernie Sanders came out the day after the election. A lot of people were upset that he said it a day after the election. He probably was thinking about it a long time before the election, but he held his tongue because he realized the threat of Donald Trump. Well, Donald Trump's no longer a threat. He's a reality. And the question is, what are we going to do? And I don't want to go my Bernie thing. We can do another episode or not at all. Bernie said, we do not connect with people in the middle and lower class. We meaning the democratic party. We do not, they don't view us as such. And some of that might be ignorance, but a lot of it is the fact that we don't even discuss these issues. Shame on us. Shame on us.

Sandy, let me, let's get your thoughts on this.

Um, I actually have a thought on something else sort of related. So we were talking about how, uh, The different, the different things that the Republicans, that the Republican ticket was talking about and how, I'm sorry, that the Democrat ticket was talking about and how it might disenfranchise the Republicans. My husband said this, um, that a lot, a lot of the talk about the transgender stuff and the, the, my son is going to play in a girl's baseball team, that all of that, that whole subject where I'm not sure that is something this country is ready for. And I, and I heard. A lot. I heard some of the people that I know that are Trump supporters. That was a big thing for them. You know, you're not going to have a drag queen, blah, blah, all of that. And I think, I'm not saying that I agree that that is the right way to be, but I think that that caused a lot of people to, to vote for Trump too.

Again, though, the misinformation. Why do people think that Donald Trump control or whoever is president controls all of that? Like I'm confused on how he even, I'm not confused. He and his running mate really drove, like really tried to drive in like home, like this whole transgender thing. And just constantly, I mean, how long was the story circulating about how children are getting sex change operations in public schools? Without their parents permission, like how I, you know, Bryan had mentioned that there are that Bernie Sanders came out and said that the Democratic Party is not connecting with the middle and lower class of this country and that's true. But how are we supposed to connect with people, whether they're of the middle and lower class, or maybe even different class with people who believe stuff like that. Like that, those are lies. They are straight up, just bold face. Like if my child walked into the room and just blatantly told, just said to me, you know, today the sky was green. And I, and I was like, no, hon, the sky is blue. No, it's green. And I would be like, that's not true. So. Because it's that basic, right? It's that simple. How could you possibly believe these things? And then this whole thing about, I saw the same thing as you, Sandy, this, this whole thing about the circulating of boys being on girls sports teams. And I'm not going to, my daughter shouldn't have to play with a boy, whatever. What makes them think that Donald Trump is going to like, I'm confused. Like, isn't that like at the state level, I'm confused.

He's showing empathy on that subject. He's saying to the person that that upsets. I agree with you. That's that's awful. I am a progressive male If I had a daughter that was of high school age, I would not want a former boy Competing against her I wouldn't and I think the idea of doing it is absurd, right? Maybe i'll get canceled in some circles, but to me to me Democrats are wishy washy on a lot of progressive ideas They're afraid, they're afraid to take a stand. And when people are afraid to take a stand, when people are listening to those people talk, they're like, you're a wimp.

Yeah, that's a good point.

I think a lot of it is that simple. Buddy, I agree with that. You're right, Alyssa, like, like the president probably has nothing to do with inflation. You said it, Sandy. The president has nothing. But, what they believe in, Is someone you're going to elect and to me Kamala Harris could have easily said if I had a daughter in high school I wouldn't want we're gonna we're gonna look into this. We're gonna make sure Like someone isn't hurt that someone isn't Like why not?

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that it's always dangerous when you try to establish a Rationalogical base of thought around something that's obviously an overtly I think, you know, bless you guys for trying and thank, thank God for you. But, but let's think about this. Anybody that has children or in the last 15, 20 years, my daughter can't even take a peanut butter sandwich to school because of allergies and like, how are they changing, changing sexes? They're asking me for printer paper. They got a machine. So,

so

So, let's not over rotate on lunacy because it's a cascading abyss that I don't think we are qualified to go down. It's mental illness. But I appreciate you guys trying.

Yeah, you're right. You're

right. But to be fair, excuse me, I said the word and I shouldn't have said but. The thing is, is this, is that what I'm hearing, um, is that what I'm hearing is, is the dumbing down of information. That people can accept. That's basically what I'm hearing. What I'm hearing is, is that the majority of people in the United States is not, does not pay attention to what goes on. And it doesn't, and we can say they're not high school grads, what case may be, but it really, they just, they're not aware. Okay. Then they're not aware of what a republic is and not aware of three branches of government. They're not aware of what a president can do and what he can't do. They're not aware. So a lot of the information is being second hand, third hand social media. That's educating them on falsehoods that are not true. Okay. And so what I'm hearing, Bryan, what you're saying, and I'm not, uh, I don't disagree with it. What I'm hearing is, is that the lady that took the whiteboard and said, this is what 2500 is, and then you can use it for this and that. That's how the communication, unfortunately, needs to be communicated to people here in the United States to number 1. Um, speak at their level. I hate to say a condescending phrase, but speak at their level. And then number two, to engage with them where they feel like somebody is listening to them, regardless if it's outrageous or not. Is that what I'm hearing from you guys?

Agreed the danger, the danger, though, Tony, and that and panelists, if you're not agreeing with them, you're dead wrong. No matter how much sense you make and how to math is math. And that's the danger of the. Place that we put ourselves in as a government, as a society, as a country. Is that some people are so entrenched in their belief, regardless of the evidence, regardless of the facts, regardless of the level of communication, how eloquent. And executive you are in your presentation. Like they, like somebody said, I think you said it, Bryan, they made up their mind two years ago and I'd be damned if you say anything or present anything, show anything or prove anything that's going to make me change my feeble mind from two years ago. Well,

think about it all during the election. They were talking about these undecideds. That was like, if you watch anything on CNN or any, well, we got to reach the undecideds and. People would make fun. How could you possibly undecide a bit like what is it? You don't know that you'll find out in the last two weeks, you know, but you know, maybe Maybe that's maybe that's a big problem. Like like people say the campaign is too long, but Part of the campaign is how you govern. And when Joe Biden was allowing people to cross the border and Greg Abbott, that crazy governor was putting barbed wire and stuff, you know, and he's a bad man. Um, and he isn't a good guy, but you know, everyone saw it, everyone saw it. And once you see that, you know, the country's being taken over.

Right, right.

It is, right? And no one's doing anything about it. And all Kamala said, her pat answer drove me nuts was well, you had that bill killed. Now, that's true. Better than that.

Yeah, I, I think, well, let's do this because we're, we're running out of time and I want to get you guys, you know, because we've talked a lot about the past now, right? So, we can do about it. Right from a future standpoint, right? Right. What can we do? Because we just, everybody went around and talked about, you know, they have friends, family, relatives who voted for Trump. All right. Um, so what can we do, or what can you do as individuals, right. To be able to try to make this. Uh, more, uh, try to bring people together regardless of how you feel about the election because they are our fellow Americans. He is now the president. Nothing we can do about that now. So let me hear just a final thought from each. Not a fine. I just want to hear what's your, what's your plan to move forward and to be able to get along and listen to your fellow Americans. Sandy, I'll start with you.

Well, what I'd like to do is to be able to sit down with people who think differently than me and have a civil discussion with them without it turning emotional. And I'm not saying they're the only ones that would get emotional. Um, that's what I would like to do. Uh, you know, sort of what we have been doing is not talking about anything, talking about the weather. And this is what I struggle with. I struggle that you, that's not the way to go forward. Um, I guess as I'm talking, I'm thinking, you know, all you can do is try to put yourself in somebody else's shoes, what, you know, try to understand how they think and why they think that. And then at the end of it all, all we can do is be nice to each other, be kind to each other.

Thanks Bryan.

I got to be honest with you. I live in New York City. I'm not super interested in, uh, Trying to figure out why a Trump voter voted the way they did. I'm not, because it's because I don't think I'm gonna like what they have to say. Now I have some friends, some Jewish friends that were single issue voters. They thought Harris and Biden were soft on Israel. I think that's factually incorrect. I've made my point to them. I've had problems with people like that. I've had people that have sort of shunned me now because they're suggesting I'm anti Israel. And I'm just like. No, I'm not you're you're not actually seeing the full picture and I get that you're close to Israel. You're Jewish I'm not but I'm sorry you so I'm sort of I saw that question and I was just like I don't know Do I want to bang my head against the wall? Not really.

Okay, buddy.

Okay. I what I hope happens is People see the real Trump. They'll see that tariffs are stupid. They'll see that deportations are expensive. They'll see that inflation will get worse. They'll see that the sto I mean, I don't hope this happens. But the stock market won't be as good. Like, like, he stinks.

Awful.

On every freaking level.

I know, I've said many times, I hope they all get what they vote for. What they voted for. Yeah, like,

for me to tell them, there's no impact. There's no impact. Sorry.

No, no, no, I love it. I'm glad we're doing I'm glad we're doing pull up speak up because Alyssa

I agree with both you both of you like like why I keep banging my head against the wall However, I but then on the other side of it. It's like there's so much of me that believe just believes there's something, some way, somehow I can maybe get through. And it's, I know that's probably just hopeful. Um, but like, but the overarching thing here and something that I think really bothers me and I would really. We're really hope people at some point start to think about is how privileged we all are. We are all incredibly privileged to live in this country, regardless of your race, your gender, or your socioeconomic status. We are privileged because of the freedoms that the democracy we live in has granted us. And we as a collective society share those freedoms. Now, that does not mean that there aren't, there are people living in this country that do not get the same treatment as others. I'm not ignorant to that, but inherently we all share the same freedoms because that's what the constitution grants us and this is where we live. So, I think that most people in this country. I would say the vast majority of people in this country take that for granted and forget that that's why so many people are trying to get into this country because of the horror that they're living elsewhere. And I just think we are constantly just Everything we take for granted and we complain about every single possible thing there is to complain about, and I just really hope moving forward, we can maybe start to realize how lucky we are that we can complain that we can sit on this podcast and say what we feel and what we want without worrying when I shut my computer that I might have a hit on me. Because that's the reality of what might be in a year or two with Donald Trump president. The fact that the house of representatives had to pass a bill the other day to protect people so that he can't do what he says he's going to do. If they speak out against him, that's outrageous. We live in the United States of America. And I just. Regardless of who you support or vote for or whatever your reasons are, I'm not going to change someone's mind. But I do hope that people can come back to that. You're lucky you can vote. You are so you are granted that freedom. I hope that it doesn't get taken away.

I'd like to stick with you on this, Alyssa, please, and kind of projecting into the future for generations to come and and the idea of things being so up in the air of things that we've always known to be American ideals and principles, because the reality of it is, as you said about reproductive rights and other things. So many things that we've held, you know, kind of hung our hat on are being taken away.

Yeah,

right. And we're thinking that we're bracing ourselves for the opportunity for more things to be taken away. So as you talk to the younger generation in order to sustain a more perfect union, what advice would you give them? You know, engaging in political discourse after now, like post 2024, how do they, how do they take the baton and make America, uh, what it should be or what, what the promise was.

Keep it tight. Keep your answer tight.

Um, I, first of all, you have to be careful. Your words are, they're powerful. They're powerful. They hold weight. So, and then the other part of this is don't believe everything you hear and see dot, dot, dot on social media, because that's just not how you should be consuming your information. I think we need to start educating kids. Like truly educating them on how our government works and, um, maybe so that they can better understand the way that things internally work so that they can understand what your vote really means.

So, so Bryan, for you with the next generation, how to sustain or form a more perfect union, what advice would you provide to them to make sure that they can, you know,

I don't know if they'd listen to me, because I'm an old fart. And I would just say educate yourself. You know, if you just sort of blow in and hear a podcast, Trump's talking on Joe Rogan or he's talking on one of these other young male podcasts. Well, I mean, there's nobody fact checking him. There's nobody doing anything. Um, so I would say try to educate yourself with multiple forms. Of information. Um, again, I don't, I don't know. I almost think people have to learn, like we all have failure in our lives, right? And we learn from failure. And I think, I think everyone's going to have a personal failure who voted for Trump.

Sandy, same thing for you. Next generation. How do you, you know, help them to, to generate a more perfect union in post 2024 election?

I think the only way you make change is starting with yourself. And I think people need to self reflect, you know, really dive into what they feel and how they feel about the world around them. And most importantly, get involved. In your local community right now, be involved in whether you're involved in politics or you're involved in voting, you know, and vote from dog catcher, right on up. Um, because so many young people are just not engaged with it at all. Or they hop in on the last minute.

Got it. Well, listen, we want to thank you guys for coming on. Pull up, speak up and being part of the inaugural round tables, uh, series really appreciate your candor, your, your thoughts. This was outstanding. I'd be honest with you. I've learned some things, uh, just by listening to you guys. Right. And, um, you know, so I'm so excited, really appreciate it. And we want you guys to stay right there because you guys are going to help us with our call to action. So I think it's now time for Tony's tidbit. All right. So the tidbit. Today is this. Great nations aren't defined by the absence of conflict, but by the presence of honest conversations. We don't have to agree to respect one another, but we must listen if we want to move forward. And you heard a lot of that today from our esteemed panel.

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Sure. L stands for learn, educate yourself on racial and cultural nuances.

E is for empathy. Um, we all need to be open to understanding, uh, diverse ideas and feelings, but we all need to be empathetic.

And S stands for share, sharing your insights to enlighten others in a respectful and. Not only speaking, but listening way.

Absolutely. And the final S stands for stop. You want to actively stop discrimination as it walks in your path. So if grandma says something at the Thanksgiving table that's inappropriate, you say, grandma, we don't believe that we don't say that. And you stop it right there. So if everyone can incorporate less L E S S we'll build a more fair, more understanding world, and we'll all be able to see the change that we want to see because less will become more.

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