1 00:00:05,203 --> 00:00:05,923 Dallas Burnett: Hey everybody. 2 00:00:05,923 --> 00:00:08,233 We're talking to Jeff Bones Bonner today. 3 00:00:08,233 --> 00:00:13,993 What an amazing guy He is a former combat fighter pilot and squadron commander, 4 00:00:14,263 --> 00:00:17,893 Harvard trained performance strategist, current airline captain, and the 5 00:00:17,893 --> 00:00:23,023 creator of the debrief Advantage system has some incredible stories from high 6 00:00:23,023 --> 00:00:25,423 stakes missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. 7 00:00:25,603 --> 00:00:28,588 Were debriefing turned raw experience into growth. 8 00:00:29,183 --> 00:00:31,103 Plus he's a great new friend of mine. 9 00:00:31,103 --> 00:00:34,253 You don't want to miss this incredible conversation. 10 00:00:35,963 --> 00:00:38,483 Welcome to the last 10%. 11 00:00:38,903 --> 00:00:43,463 Your host, Dallas Burnett, dives into incredible conversations that 12 00:00:43,463 --> 00:00:45,563 will inspire you to finish well. 13 00:00:45,843 --> 00:00:48,128 And finish strong, strong. 14 00:00:48,693 --> 00:00:54,273 Listen as guests share their journeys and valuable advice on living in the last 10%. 15 00:00:54,723 --> 00:00:59,223 If you are a leader, a coach, a business owner, or someone looking to 16 00:00:59,223 --> 00:01:02,343 level up, you are in the right place. 17 00:01:02,403 --> 00:01:07,713 Remember, you can give 90% effort and make it a long way, but it's finding 18 00:01:07,713 --> 00:01:09,873 out how to unlock the last 10%. 19 00:01:10,178 --> 00:01:14,978 That makes all the difference in your life, your relationships, and your work. 20 00:01:15,698 --> 00:01:16,898 Now, here's Dallas. 21 00:01:17,488 --> 00:01:20,638 Welcome, welcome, welcome. 22 00:01:20,638 --> 00:01:25,228 I am Dallas Burnett, sitting in my 1905 Koch Brothers 23 00:01:25,228 --> 00:01:28,078 Barber chair in Thrive Studios. 24 00:01:28,438 --> 00:01:32,908 But more importantly, today we have a great guest, Harvard trained 25 00:01:32,908 --> 00:01:37,828 performance strategist, author of The Daily Debrief, creator of the Debrief 26 00:01:37,828 --> 00:01:42,448 Advantage, former Combat Fighter pilot, now flying as an airline captain. 27 00:01:42,448 --> 00:01:44,458 Welcome to the show, Jeff. 28 00:01:45,335 --> 00:01:46,855 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Thank you very much, Dallas. 29 00:01:46,855 --> 00:01:48,175 It's great to be here with you. 30 00:01:48,358 --> 00:01:50,998 Dallas Burnett: Man, I tell you, I'm kind of jealous 'cause when I was growing 31 00:01:50,998 --> 00:01:55,678 up, the one thing, I mean, I grew up in the eighties, the man top guns there. 32 00:01:55,828 --> 00:01:59,428 And I mean, you know, you just had these dreams of being a fighter pilot. 33 00:01:59,428 --> 00:02:00,268 So As a kid. 34 00:02:00,268 --> 00:02:02,608 I always wanted to be a fighter pilot, was going to go to the. 35 00:02:02,803 --> 00:02:05,653 Air Force Academy and just do the whole thing, man. 36 00:02:06,283 --> 00:02:07,363 And it didn't work out. 37 00:02:07,363 --> 00:02:10,063 And I was like always like, man, what the dream that could have been. 38 00:02:10,063 --> 00:02:12,103 But then when I was 40, I found out I was colorblind. 39 00:02:13,030 --> 00:02:13,750 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Ha. 40 00:02:13,873 --> 00:02:16,723 Dallas Burnett: I was out, I was done, I was done before I got started. 41 00:02:16,723 --> 00:02:17,623 So it worked out. 42 00:02:17,623 --> 00:02:18,553 But hey man. 43 00:02:18,603 --> 00:02:22,293 tell us a little bit about you and how you got into flying and 44 00:02:22,343 --> 00:02:25,403 Were you always inspired to be in the military and fly planes? 45 00:02:25,403 --> 00:02:26,633 What was, what's your story? 46 00:02:26,933 --> 00:02:26,993 Yeah. 47 00:02:27,545 --> 00:02:27,785 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Yeah. 48 00:02:27,785 --> 00:02:28,655 That's great, Dallas. 49 00:02:28,655 --> 00:02:30,215 Thanks again for, for having me. 50 00:02:30,215 --> 00:02:33,205 And you know, a lot of it is exactly what you just mentioned right there with 51 00:02:33,205 --> 00:02:37,855 the, you've made that reference to Top Gun and how many folks in our generation 52 00:02:37,855 --> 00:02:42,715 got that, you know, saw that movie and was just like, that's exactly what I 53 00:02:42,793 --> 00:02:43,083 Dallas Burnett: Yeah. 54 00:02:43,705 --> 00:02:44,995 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: And I was one of those. 55 00:02:44,995 --> 00:02:50,425 I remember going, as a teenager with my dad, who, served in Vietnam 56 00:02:50,425 --> 00:02:53,905 and, and has been an inspiration to me throughout my life. 57 00:02:53,970 --> 00:02:57,420 From the military perspective, and I, I remember going to the 58 00:02:57,420 --> 00:02:59,130 movie to see that for the first 59 00:02:59,323 --> 00:02:59,893 Dallas Burnett: Oh man. 60 00:02:59,910 --> 00:03:03,780 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: I, and then, you know, the bug was kind of planted 61 00:03:03,780 --> 00:03:06,810 and then air shows and blue angels 62 00:03:07,123 --> 00:03:08,503 Dallas Burnett: Oh wow. 63 00:03:08,850 --> 00:03:09,990 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: we were going, you know? 64 00:03:09,990 --> 00:03:14,730 So yeah, I knew it a very early age, and I've been super blessed 65 00:03:14,730 --> 00:03:16,650 to be able to pursue that passion. 66 00:03:16,945 --> 00:03:21,775 For aviation throughout, throughout my life and, and now being blessed 67 00:03:21,775 --> 00:03:25,585 to be able to share some of those lessons learned from aviation 68 00:03:25,615 --> 00:03:27,055 to help others on their path. 69 00:03:27,063 --> 00:03:27,433 Dallas Burnett: Yeah. 70 00:03:27,433 --> 00:03:28,213 That's awesome. 71 00:03:28,273 --> 00:03:29,113 That's really awesome. 72 00:03:29,113 --> 00:03:32,623 So how did you go from, all right, being inspired. 73 00:03:32,623 --> 00:03:36,583 What was, I guess, what was the hardest thing about going from, you know, the 74 00:03:36,583 --> 00:03:41,053 grind of the dream when you're, when you look back, getting from this dream as 75 00:03:41,053 --> 00:03:45,733 a kid, you know, seeing the Blue Angels going to Top Gun, your dad's already 76 00:03:45,733 --> 00:03:47,353 doing this thing, it's like military. 77 00:03:47,563 --> 00:03:50,053 What was the hardest part for you to transition from that 78 00:03:50,053 --> 00:03:51,108 and turn that dream into? 79 00:03:51,768 --> 00:03:53,598 I'm strapping in and I'm taking off. 80 00:03:53,598 --> 00:03:54,888 Like, what, what was that like? 81 00:03:54,888 --> 00:03:54,948 Yeah, 82 00:03:55,585 --> 00:03:56,185 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Yeah. 83 00:03:56,513 --> 00:03:57,893 Dallas Burnett: and a lot of it's. 84 00:03:58,675 --> 00:03:59,815 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: like all of us, right? 85 00:03:59,815 --> 00:04:04,565 We, we set high, high, goals in our life and it's just, you know, kind 86 00:04:04,565 --> 00:04:06,215 of a, it's not a straight line. 87 00:04:06,245 --> 00:04:08,765 we achieve and then we have a setback, and then we achieve, 88 00:04:08,765 --> 00:04:09,695 and then we have a setback. 89 00:04:09,695 --> 00:04:11,735 And that was really my story as well. 90 00:04:12,075 --> 00:04:16,305 I, I just had such a passion for wanting to fly jet. 91 00:04:16,305 --> 00:04:18,130 Airplanes off of ships. 92 00:04:18,190 --> 00:04:18,520 That 93 00:04:18,678 --> 00:04:18,888 Dallas Burnett: Longest 94 00:04:18,940 --> 00:04:20,890 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: for the longest time for me, I thought 95 00:04:20,958 --> 00:04:21,498 Dallas Burnett: that past 96 00:04:21,670 --> 00:04:22,745 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: was going to take me. 97 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:24,780 Through the Navy 98 00:04:26,058 --> 00:04:26,598 Dallas Burnett: I got 99 00:04:26,730 --> 00:04:28,350 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: to college and 100 00:04:28,608 --> 00:04:29,238 Dallas Burnett: talking to 101 00:04:29,310 --> 00:04:30,450 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: the Navy recruiter. 102 00:04:30,450 --> 00:04:35,280 And at the time, in the early nineties, uh, the, the Navy was recruiting 103 00:04:35,508 --> 00:04:36,983 Dallas Burnett: from a perspective they wanted 104 00:04:37,170 --> 00:04:40,050 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: engineering background for their, for their 105 00:04:40,050 --> 00:04:41,490 pilots and their air crew. 106 00:04:41,850 --> 00:04:43,410 And that wasn't me. 107 00:04:43,470 --> 00:04:46,350 so I had to kind of try and find a different 108 00:04:46,718 --> 00:04:47,288 Dallas Burnett: That way. 109 00:04:47,288 --> 00:04:47,888 That way was 110 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,040 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: through the Marine Corps and. 111 00:04:51,495 --> 00:04:52,005 that's 112 00:04:52,258 --> 00:04:52,738 Dallas Burnett: where my 113 00:04:52,815 --> 00:04:53,595 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: path led me. 114 00:04:53,678 --> 00:04:53,898 Dallas Burnett: wow 115 00:04:54,015 --> 00:04:56,715 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: uh, it's been, other than marrying my wife, that's 116 00:04:56,715 --> 00:04:58,185 been the blessing, the biggest 117 00:04:58,578 --> 00:04:59,068 Dallas Burnett: defense 118 00:04:59,235 --> 00:04:59,625 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: decision 119 00:04:59,668 --> 00:04:59,908 Dallas Burnett: made. 120 00:05:00,123 --> 00:05:01,473 Oh wow. 121 00:05:01,533 --> 00:05:02,433 That's awesome. 122 00:05:02,493 --> 00:05:03,423 That is awesome. 123 00:05:03,633 --> 00:05:07,503 So now you have, you got to land on an aircraft carrier and, and do, uh, so 124 00:05:07,503 --> 00:05:10,983 you have done that, even if you're not Navy, you can still land on an aircraft. 125 00:05:10,983 --> 00:05:11,793 So what is that like? 126 00:05:11,793 --> 00:05:14,013 Just take me through, 'cause I mean like that's just got to me. 127 00:05:14,763 --> 00:05:16,233 That's got, I mean, it's automatic. 128 00:05:16,233 --> 00:05:19,803 When you come in on a landing in a commercial jet, you know that you come 129 00:05:19,803 --> 00:05:21,933 down, you're like, oh, that's a little bumpy, or That's smooth, whatever. 130 00:05:21,933 --> 00:05:25,983 I can't imagine the, how it feels to land. 131 00:05:25,983 --> 00:05:28,863 It looks like on a, on a little, a penny in the ocean. 132 00:05:28,893 --> 00:05:29,073 You know? 133 00:05:29,073 --> 00:05:29,883 I just can't imagine. 134 00:05:29,883 --> 00:05:30,998 So take us through what that's like. 135 00:05:32,625 --> 00:05:36,195 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Yes, it, it, it is a very unique experience and it's 136 00:05:36,195 --> 00:05:40,365 one that for, for carrier aviators, you never forget your first time. 137 00:05:40,395 --> 00:05:44,025 you know, I vividly now, even though it's been, you know, 40 plus 138 00:05:44,025 --> 00:05:48,105 years ago, I, I vividly remember circling overhead, the ship and. 139 00:05:49,170 --> 00:05:53,780 looking down, before we were in our landing sequence and, and just 140 00:05:53,780 --> 00:05:55,490 thinking, you know, how did I get here? 141 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:56,240 Kind of thing. 142 00:05:56,630 --> 00:05:57,170 Right? 143 00:05:57,220 --> 00:06:02,470 so, but, but then at some point the training kicks in and, and I was blessed 144 00:06:02,470 --> 00:06:04,960 later in my career to actually teach. 145 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:09,400 Carrier Aviate the next generation of, Navy and Marine Corps 146 00:06:09,678 --> 00:06:09,898 Dallas Burnett: Wow. 147 00:06:10,159 --> 00:06:12,889 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: and that's when you know, it's one thing when 148 00:06:12,889 --> 00:06:16,459 you do it, but then when you start to teach it and, and understand 149 00:06:16,459 --> 00:06:18,289 how to get someone else to do it. 150 00:06:19,024 --> 00:06:23,104 That really is a whole different passion, and I'm sure you can relate to that 151 00:06:23,104 --> 00:06:28,314 where, where you've kind of had a way that you've, you've seen through, and, 152 00:06:28,314 --> 00:06:32,634 and now it's time for you to share that and help others get to obtain that. 153 00:06:32,634 --> 00:06:33,024 So 154 00:06:33,162 --> 00:06:33,222 Dallas Burnett: Yeah. 155 00:06:33,504 --> 00:06:34,824 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: yeah, it's a true blessing. 156 00:06:35,232 --> 00:06:35,892 Dallas Burnett: That's awesome. 157 00:06:35,952 --> 00:06:36,822 That's really great. 158 00:06:36,877 --> 00:06:40,027 I always, I always thought that would just be the, the most epic experience 159 00:06:40,027 --> 00:06:42,547 to go down on the air aircraft grid and just land on the top deck. 160 00:06:42,547 --> 00:06:43,687 That's just incredible. 161 00:06:43,687 --> 00:06:48,457 So, so now when you're going through, you joined, how long were you in 162 00:06:48,517 --> 00:06:53,137 the, the military and flying before the whole thing broke out in Iraq 163 00:06:53,137 --> 00:06:54,457 and Afghanistan, all that stuff? 164 00:06:54,457 --> 00:06:57,697 What, what was that like in terms of your experience? 165 00:06:58,924 --> 00:07:05,794 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Yeah, so I graduated college in 1994 and then went to, 166 00:07:05,952 --> 00:07:06,732 Dallas Burnett: Marine Corps, 167 00:07:07,474 --> 00:07:08,464 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: They call it the Basic 168 00:07:08,572 --> 00:07:08,922 Dallas Burnett: which 169 00:07:09,064 --> 00:07:13,194 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: is, an infantry officer, kind of all Marine Corps 170 00:07:13,194 --> 00:07:15,604 officers or infantry, focused. 171 00:07:15,604 --> 00:07:16,204 So 172 00:07:16,362 --> 00:07:17,092 Dallas Burnett: that and went 173 00:07:17,104 --> 00:07:20,344 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: went to flight school and, and I got wing 174 00:07:20,437 --> 00:07:20,617 Dallas Burnett: finished. 175 00:07:20,674 --> 00:07:22,294 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: flight school in 1998 176 00:07:22,357 --> 00:07:22,627 Dallas Burnett: then 177 00:07:23,199 --> 00:07:23,379 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: You know, 178 00:07:23,407 --> 00:07:25,477 Dallas Burnett: 2000, oh 179 00:07:25,539 --> 00:07:29,049 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: is when, when, you know, the 2001, the world, the 180 00:07:29,192 --> 00:07:29,612 Dallas Burnett: center. 181 00:07:29,919 --> 00:07:30,819 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: nine 11. 182 00:07:30,819 --> 00:07:32,679 And then, and then oh three is 183 00:07:32,792 --> 00:07:34,567 Dallas Burnett: Iraq all took off. 184 00:07:34,747 --> 00:07:34,867 Sorry. 185 00:07:34,867 --> 00:07:34,957 Yes. 186 00:07:35,349 --> 00:07:35,889 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Yes. 187 00:07:36,157 --> 00:07:38,407 Dallas Burnett: So you had been in it for quite some time and already 188 00:07:38,407 --> 00:07:40,777 been flying, so that was, it wasn't like you just kind of walked in 189 00:07:40,777 --> 00:07:41,887 and had it was shipped out, right? 190 00:07:42,862 --> 00:07:43,502 Yeah, exactly. 191 00:07:43,502 --> 00:07:43,512 Yeah. 192 00:07:44,002 --> 00:07:44,222 And 193 00:07:44,464 --> 00:07:46,114 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: I, and so many 194 00:07:46,252 --> 00:07:47,222 Dallas Burnett: know, you and I were 195 00:07:47,314 --> 00:07:48,454 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: I I'm sure have 196 00:07:48,552 --> 00:07:50,592 Dallas Burnett: stories where about timing and 197 00:07:50,704 --> 00:07:51,784 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: in life, right? 198 00:07:51,787 --> 00:07:52,297 Dallas Burnett: yes. 199 00:07:52,384 --> 00:07:55,924 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: experiences and, and, and I just was very, 200 00:07:55,924 --> 00:07:59,104 very fortunate to hit timing 201 00:07:59,797 --> 00:08:00,037 Dallas Burnett: Where I 202 00:08:00,184 --> 00:08:00,364 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: I 203 00:08:00,522 --> 00:08:01,122 Dallas Burnett: opportunities 204 00:08:02,314 --> 00:08:06,504 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Like, you know, deploying and, and able to 205 00:08:06,504 --> 00:08:11,724 serve our country in ways that, just because I happened to have 206 00:08:11,724 --> 00:08:15,474 the right qualifications and be in the right spot at the right time. 207 00:08:15,534 --> 00:08:19,014 And that was a great example when, when the TA twin Towers fell 208 00:08:19,014 --> 00:08:25,514 there in, nine 11, I was already, you know, a combat certified. 209 00:08:26,174 --> 00:08:26,804 Pilot. 210 00:08:26,957 --> 00:08:27,347 Dallas Burnett: ready. 211 00:08:27,347 --> 00:08:29,327 You're, you're just like, it's like game on. 212 00:08:29,327 --> 00:08:29,687 You know? 213 00:08:29,687 --> 00:08:30,287 Let's go. 214 00:08:30,347 --> 00:08:30,467 Yeah. 215 00:08:30,554 --> 00:08:31,214 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: time to go. 216 00:08:31,214 --> 00:08:31,454 Yeah. 217 00:08:31,454 --> 00:08:33,044 The machine was woken up for 218 00:08:33,047 --> 00:08:33,617 Dallas Burnett: Oh wow. 219 00:08:33,647 --> 00:08:35,387 So now that was an amazing time. 220 00:08:35,387 --> 00:08:37,127 Just a wild, wild time. 221 00:08:37,227 --> 00:08:41,877 but I, you know, a lot of times as leaders, some of the things, and 222 00:08:41,877 --> 00:08:46,807 we have a lot of business owners, leaders, entrepreneurs, coaches 223 00:08:46,807 --> 00:08:48,577 that listen to the last 10%. 224 00:08:48,577 --> 00:08:52,687 And so a lot of times we're shaped as leaders by our experiences, 225 00:08:52,927 --> 00:08:56,227 and you've gone through and you've kind of achieved this dream. 226 00:08:57,222 --> 00:09:01,152 Getting to this place and, and you're in, you're strapping in the cockpit, 227 00:09:01,152 --> 00:09:05,602 taking off, doing your thing, and then nine 11 happens and all, all this other 228 00:09:05,602 --> 00:09:07,642 stuff opens up in the theater of war. 229 00:09:08,002 --> 00:09:11,782 you had some interesting experiences as just right out the gate. 230 00:09:12,232 --> 00:09:17,692 Tell us about some of that and how you experienced going from, Hey, I'm in 231 00:09:17,692 --> 00:09:21,502 the military, flying to the difference of, oh, this is, this is live. 232 00:09:21,502 --> 00:09:23,902 how did that kind of transpire and how did that shape you? 233 00:09:23,916 --> 00:09:26,291 Yeah, that's a great question because that very 234 00:09:26,483 --> 00:09:27,623 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: point, was. 235 00:09:28,598 --> 00:09:28,928 Really 236 00:09:28,936 --> 00:09:30,401 Dallas Burnett: was a trajectory of my life 237 00:09:30,668 --> 00:09:34,178 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: and I, I remember sitting on the flight deck 238 00:09:34,601 --> 00:09:35,141 Dallas Burnett: prior 239 00:09:35,348 --> 00:09:36,458 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: to my very first 240 00:09:36,581 --> 00:09:36,761 Dallas Burnett: that 241 00:09:36,968 --> 00:09:37,508 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: mission, and 242 00:09:37,541 --> 00:09:38,231 Dallas Burnett: were operating 243 00:09:38,378 --> 00:09:39,038 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: in the Northern 244 00:09:39,371 --> 00:09:40,906 Dallas Burnett: golf just off the coast of, 245 00:09:40,988 --> 00:09:41,588 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: of Kuwait. 246 00:09:41,986 --> 00:09:43,526 Dallas Burnett: and just prior 247 00:09:44,108 --> 00:09:44,168 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: the. 248 00:09:44,326 --> 00:09:44,986 Dallas Burnett: the, you 249 00:09:45,503 --> 00:09:47,213 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: captain fixes, 250 00:09:47,216 --> 00:09:47,296 Dallas Burnett: know, 251 00:09:47,393 --> 00:09:47,543 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: know, 252 00:09:47,556 --> 00:09:47,976 Dallas Burnett: the pilot 253 00:09:47,993 --> 00:09:50,123 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: pilot strap into the ejection seat. 254 00:09:50,153 --> 00:09:54,203 And on that particular day, it was really early in the campaign. 255 00:09:54,203 --> 00:09:59,093 These were initial waves of combat operations for most everybody, 256 00:09:59,153 --> 00:10:03,323 all the pilots, the, the, the ships crew, everybody was, we 257 00:10:03,323 --> 00:10:04,763 were all kind of new to this. 258 00:10:05,093 --> 00:10:09,683 And just prior to stepping down, I remember the plane captain said words. 259 00:10:10,028 --> 00:10:11,468 Dallas that I'll never forget. 260 00:10:11,468 --> 00:10:14,348 He said, good luck, sir. This time it's for real. 261 00:10:16,028 --> 00:10:20,508 And I just, you know, and, and he meant all the best intentions, of 262 00:10:20,836 --> 00:10:21,126 Dallas Burnett: Yeah. 263 00:10:21,348 --> 00:10:25,068 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: but I, I remember as I closed the canopy and sat there in the 264 00:10:25,068 --> 00:10:30,588 silence of the airplane, I just remember thinking to myself, I've trained my 265 00:10:30,588 --> 00:10:33,468 entire adult life for this very moment. 266 00:10:34,368 --> 00:10:36,648 And then that led me to. 267 00:10:37,473 --> 00:10:38,433 Other thoughts? 268 00:10:38,493 --> 00:10:42,333 Thoughts of what if I go out there and make a mistake? 269 00:10:42,663 --> 00:10:45,243 What if I drop a bomb on the wrong target? 270 00:10:45,273 --> 00:10:48,723 What if I get shot down and never see my family again? 271 00:10:48,723 --> 00:10:52,053 And all these questions are rolling through my mind and they lead me 272 00:10:52,053 --> 00:10:53,973 to the greatest question of all. 273 00:10:55,203 --> 00:10:56,733 What if I'm not good enough? 274 00:10:58,023 --> 00:10:58,203 And 275 00:10:58,291 --> 00:10:58,411 Dallas Burnett: I 276 00:10:58,473 --> 00:10:59,823 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: will tell you that that 277 00:11:00,131 --> 00:11:00,291 Dallas Burnett: Question 278 00:11:00,663 --> 00:11:01,263 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Dallas 279 00:11:01,451 --> 00:11:01,941 Dallas Burnett: changed. 280 00:11:02,748 --> 00:11:04,638 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: The trajectory of my life, because 281 00:11:04,671 --> 00:11:06,081 Dallas Burnett: That is a very, 282 00:11:06,558 --> 00:11:10,218 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: human question and, and we've all 283 00:11:10,401 --> 00:11:10,751 Dallas Burnett: we've 284 00:11:10,894 --> 00:11:13,384 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: I have the opportunity now to speak with, 285 00:11:13,714 --> 00:11:15,754 with teams and organizations, 286 00:11:15,907 --> 00:11:16,127 Dallas Burnett: all. 287 00:11:16,294 --> 00:11:17,434 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: all over the world 288 00:11:17,602 --> 00:11:20,482 Dallas Burnett: And have studied individual and 289 00:11:21,064 --> 00:11:23,554 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: that regardless of what culture 290 00:11:23,617 --> 00:11:23,827 Dallas Burnett: culture 291 00:11:24,034 --> 00:11:24,484 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: from, 292 00:11:24,787 --> 00:11:26,192 Dallas Burnett: where your background is 293 00:11:26,224 --> 00:11:27,519 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: is, what language you speak. 294 00:11:28,264 --> 00:11:35,644 That sense of being a real challenge and what if I'm not good enough, 295 00:11:36,484 --> 00:11:38,164 something that is deeply human. 296 00:11:38,164 --> 00:11:38,824 And so what 297 00:11:38,827 --> 00:11:39,697 Dallas Burnett: Been able to do that. 298 00:11:40,324 --> 00:11:41,434 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: is I spend 299 00:11:41,617 --> 00:11:43,417 Dallas Burnett: my patch flying airplanes, 300 00:11:43,744 --> 00:11:44,104 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: still, 301 00:11:44,107 --> 00:11:44,797 Dallas Burnett: then I also 302 00:11:44,944 --> 00:11:45,544 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: pursued this 303 00:11:45,637 --> 00:11:46,177 Dallas Burnett: passion of 304 00:11:46,264 --> 00:11:46,474 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: of, 305 00:11:47,107 --> 00:11:48,007 Dallas Burnett: of developing. 306 00:11:48,694 --> 00:11:49,804 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: a debrief 307 00:11:50,237 --> 00:11:54,117 Dallas Burnett: That helps people know that when they have that 308 00:11:54,357 --> 00:11:55,477 question arise in their life. 309 00:11:55,504 --> 00:11:56,884 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: life, they're ready. 310 00:11:57,472 --> 00:11:57,892 Dallas Burnett: Wow. 311 00:11:58,222 --> 00:11:59,512 I think that's so true. 312 00:11:59,542 --> 00:12:03,112 I mean, it's the difference in what you see in the Top Gun movie when 313 00:12:03,112 --> 00:12:05,902 the, you know, they're on the deck and they're, you know, and it goes off. 314 00:12:05,902 --> 00:12:06,682 It's like, take off. 315 00:12:06,742 --> 00:12:08,062 Well, that's, that's Hollywood. 316 00:12:08,092 --> 00:12:10,402 And then there's real life where the real pops sitting there and. 317 00:12:11,212 --> 00:12:12,232 Hey, am I? 318 00:12:12,282 --> 00:12:12,822 am I good enough? 319 00:12:12,822 --> 00:12:13,782 Am I gonna make this? 320 00:12:13,832 --> 00:12:15,182 And I think that's, you're right. 321 00:12:15,182 --> 00:12:19,562 So, and it doesn't matter if you are, because whenever we go into something 322 00:12:19,562 --> 00:12:22,952 new, like you're talking about the Theater of War, you've prepared. 323 00:12:23,222 --> 00:12:27,092 But like this is like, he said, this is for real, you know? 324 00:12:27,092 --> 00:12:31,442 And you can go to college, but when you come out and you start the job, 325 00:12:31,442 --> 00:12:32,882 it's like, oh, this is for real. 326 00:12:32,882 --> 00:12:35,822 Or when you leave your job and you go, I'm starting my own 327 00:12:35,822 --> 00:12:37,262 business, I'm going on my own. 328 00:12:37,342 --> 00:12:41,482 Man, that first day when the alarm clock goes off, you go, oh my gosh, 329 00:12:41,482 --> 00:12:43,372 is this like, am I good enough? 330 00:12:44,194 --> 00:12:44,944 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: That's right. 331 00:12:45,034 --> 00:12:45,754 That's right. 332 00:12:45,862 --> 00:12:46,972 Dallas Burnett: I think it's totally human. 333 00:12:46,972 --> 00:12:47,362 Yeah. 334 00:12:47,729 --> 00:12:50,099 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Absolutely very human, and particularly 335 00:12:50,099 --> 00:12:52,529 for those, the high achievers, 336 00:12:52,912 --> 00:12:53,392 Dallas Burnett: yeah. 337 00:12:53,441 --> 00:12:56,681 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: the last 10% is filled with that question, in my 338 00:12:56,681 --> 00:13:01,751 opinion, because that's where you're really in, you're separating yourself 339 00:13:01,751 --> 00:13:07,591 from those that, that rather it's in entrepreneurship or athletics or, You 340 00:13:07,591 --> 00:13:12,341 know, just in family life as you know, these things about, pushing ourselves 341 00:13:12,341 --> 00:13:16,181 to be better, that question comes up 342 00:13:16,220 --> 00:13:16,820 Dallas Burnett: I think two. 343 00:13:16,820 --> 00:13:19,790 I think one of the things that is interesting is if you don't have a really 344 00:13:19,790 --> 00:13:23,480 good way of answering that question, it can cause you to do some things 345 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:24,890 that are probably self-destructive. 346 00:13:24,890 --> 00:13:28,490 Because if you just can't get over that and you just constantly, am I good enough? 347 00:13:28,490 --> 00:13:29,450 Am I good enough ain't good enough? 348 00:13:29,690 --> 00:13:31,850 You know, it can drive you to do some things that are probably 349 00:13:31,850 --> 00:13:33,560 unhealthy in trying to be good enough. 350 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:34,070 You know what I mean? 351 00:13:34,070 --> 00:13:36,650 Like unhealthy ways of dealing with that. 352 00:13:36,650 --> 00:13:39,230 So I would love to know like what surprised you? 353 00:13:39,500 --> 00:13:42,200 I mean, 'cause you're in the military, it's highly organized, 354 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:45,140 highly structured, you, you know, you've been training for this. 355 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:50,320 did they equip you to deal with that question and was there any kind of 356 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:55,300 differences in, when you've come out of it in kinda the private sector that you saw? 357 00:13:55,300 --> 00:13:58,180 Like, was there anything that surprised you about being in that 358 00:13:58,210 --> 00:14:01,180 once you asked that question, or more surprising once you got out? 359 00:14:01,853 --> 00:14:02,147 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Yes. 360 00:14:02,147 --> 00:14:08,352 The biggest thing that I learned in the military, and particularly in, Combat 361 00:14:08,352 --> 00:14:16,242 fighter aviation, is that the discipline the relentless passion of debriefing? 362 00:14:16,695 --> 00:14:16,915 Dallas Burnett: Mm. 363 00:14:17,112 --> 00:14:21,042 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: as a strategy, really taking an event, a flight 364 00:14:21,312 --> 00:14:26,637 that's occurred, and breaking it down in such a structured discipline way. 365 00:14:27,447 --> 00:14:32,697 Where it's not about assigning blame, it's not about, you know, pointing 366 00:14:32,697 --> 00:14:37,287 what went wrong, although there is an element of identifying what went 367 00:14:37,287 --> 00:14:40,467 wrong because we need to identify that so that we can be better. 368 00:14:40,467 --> 00:14:46,317 But everybody on the team, every, in the culture of, of fighter 369 00:14:46,317 --> 00:14:52,557 aviation, the debrief is built around one and only one principle, which 370 00:14:52,557 --> 00:14:54,717 is how do we be better tomorrow? 371 00:14:55,092 --> 00:14:59,742 How do we learn from what happened today so that we're going to 372 00:14:59,742 --> 00:15:01,752 be better aviators tomorrow? 373 00:15:01,752 --> 00:15:06,492 Because at the end of the day, the speeds and the complexity of the 374 00:15:06,492 --> 00:15:11,862 missions, that individual that, you know, combat, fight, or pilots 375 00:15:11,862 --> 00:15:15,312 fly, you can't be in reactive mode. 376 00:15:15,342 --> 00:15:20,592 You have got to be ready for those days and those events and those sorties and so. 377 00:15:21,462 --> 00:15:26,982 The debrief is something that I've now, through my postgraduate work 378 00:15:27,150 --> 00:15:27,600 Dallas Burnett: Studied. 379 00:15:27,912 --> 00:15:31,032 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: about how can we take these principles of debriefing 380 00:15:31,032 --> 00:15:36,942 that work so efficiently and effectively aviation, and how can we bridge 381 00:15:36,942 --> 00:15:41,172 those to other folks so that they can use a de a structured debrief 382 00:15:41,172 --> 00:15:44,082 model to improve performance in their 383 00:15:44,300 --> 00:15:45,500 Dallas Burnett: Ah, that's awesome. 384 00:15:45,500 --> 00:15:48,740 So you actually took, what, one of the things that you were, you know, kind 385 00:15:48,740 --> 00:15:53,510 of taught in the military, in these, the theater of war, and, and, and 386 00:15:53,510 --> 00:15:56,630 translating it now to, to everyone, and I think that's really great. 387 00:15:56,630 --> 00:16:00,420 Well, I would say, you know, what was the biggest surprise, the, the 388 00:16:00,420 --> 00:16:03,150 biggest difference when you were over there and you got into it, you started 389 00:16:03,150 --> 00:16:04,320 running your missions and things. 390 00:16:04,530 --> 00:16:05,940 What was the biggest surprise for you? 391 00:16:05,940 --> 00:16:07,865 Like the biggest shock for you when you're over there? 392 00:16:08,510 --> 00:16:09,800 You're doing what you're supposed to be doing. 393 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:11,840 Was there anything that you just left and went, oh my God, 394 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,190 like I was not expecting that 395 00:16:13,201 --> 00:16:13,501 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: I, 396 00:16:13,584 --> 00:16:13,904 Dallas Burnett: I would. 397 00:16:13,981 --> 00:16:17,431 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: say that one of the biggest things 398 00:16:17,431 --> 00:16:20,131 that, that I learned that was. 399 00:16:21,466 --> 00:16:27,541 The more complex the mission, simpler the tactics had to be. 400 00:16:28,711 --> 00:16:29,941 Unbelievably. 401 00:16:29,941 --> 00:16:35,791 So you, I couple exposures I had were of the thought process 402 00:16:35,791 --> 00:16:37,861 of, you know, most complex. 403 00:16:37,861 --> 00:16:40,861 So we really need to be complex in our execution, and it's 404 00:16:40,861 --> 00:16:42,451 actually just the opposite. 405 00:16:42,451 --> 00:16:46,261 What I learned, the simpler things can 406 00:16:46,449 --> 00:16:47,389 Dallas Burnett: The effective 407 00:16:47,641 --> 00:16:49,711 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: they have to be success. 408 00:16:49,711 --> 00:16:54,701 And I'll just tell you one example I, I remember in Afghanistan flying, and. 409 00:16:55,661 --> 00:16:56,741 course, you know, our 410 00:16:56,899 --> 00:16:57,299 Dallas Burnett: communication. 411 00:16:57,611 --> 00:17:01,181 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: is encrypted so they can't, so it can't be intercepted. 412 00:17:01,181 --> 00:17:04,611 And I remember I was coming off of, a mission to 413 00:17:04,749 --> 00:17:06,489 Dallas Burnett: to air refuel and there 414 00:17:06,501 --> 00:17:06,831 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: there was 415 00:17:06,849 --> 00:17:07,389 Dallas Burnett: tanker. 416 00:17:07,479 --> 00:17:08,979 At the correct location. 417 00:17:09,219 --> 00:17:10,599 At the right spot at the. 418 00:17:10,701 --> 00:17:13,731 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: the right altitude, at the pre-brief, time and. 419 00:17:14,034 --> 00:17:18,534 Dallas Burnett: And I couldn't, I couldn't talk to them and they couldn't talk to me. 420 00:17:18,594 --> 00:17:20,754 So we had two airplanes and it was like 421 00:17:20,916 --> 00:17:21,936 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: two in the morning. 422 00:17:22,386 --> 00:17:24,126 Dallas Burnett: dark out and it was one, 423 00:17:24,288 --> 00:17:25,578 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: of these things that 424 00:17:26,136 --> 00:17:27,246 Dallas Burnett: it was like, well, when 425 00:17:27,678 --> 00:17:28,068 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: you know, 426 00:17:28,146 --> 00:17:31,326 Dallas Burnett: something as simple as just talking to that other 427 00:17:31,536 --> 00:17:33,161 airplane, you would think it all 428 00:17:33,228 --> 00:17:34,608 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: in all the complexity of what's 429 00:17:34,821 --> 00:17:35,751 Dallas Burnett: just to a simple. 430 00:17:35,808 --> 00:17:37,578 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: simple, how do I talk 431 00:17:37,851 --> 00:17:38,541 Dallas Burnett: This airplane 432 00:17:38,748 --> 00:17:39,468 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: to that airplane? 433 00:17:39,678 --> 00:17:41,088 You know, we've been flying for. 434 00:17:42,378 --> 00:17:42,798 You know, 435 00:17:42,891 --> 00:17:43,436 Dallas Burnett: many years 436 00:17:44,148 --> 00:17:44,448 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: and 437 00:17:44,566 --> 00:17:45,006 Dallas Burnett: communication. 438 00:17:45,438 --> 00:17:47,808 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: you wouldn't think would be one of the biggest challenges. 439 00:17:47,808 --> 00:17:51,108 But, you know, we ended up basically just doing no 440 00:17:51,108 --> 00:17:53,208 communication, air-to-air refueling. 441 00:17:53,208 --> 00:17:54,018 He figured it out. 442 00:17:54,018 --> 00:17:56,178 I figured it out and, and we got it done. 443 00:17:56,568 --> 00:17:58,848 But it really is 444 00:17:59,016 --> 00:17:59,226 Dallas Burnett: It really 445 00:17:59,418 --> 00:17:59,628 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: it 446 00:17:59,736 --> 00:18:00,756 Dallas Burnett: is an example 447 00:18:00,918 --> 00:18:02,868 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: of some of the simplest things that 448 00:18:02,868 --> 00:18:05,148 you think are going to happen 449 00:18:05,671 --> 00:18:06,021 Dallas Burnett: there. 450 00:18:06,081 --> 00:18:07,861 If you add any complexity in there, 451 00:18:08,118 --> 00:18:09,138 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: it's gonna go off the rails. 452 00:18:09,661 --> 00:18:11,166 Dallas Burnett: I That is amazing. 453 00:18:11,166 --> 00:18:14,196 What a great story too, because I can't imagine, I'm just sitting here when you're 454 00:18:14,196 --> 00:18:15,996 talking, thinking like hell in the world. 455 00:18:16,356 --> 00:18:16,986 What would I do? 456 00:18:16,986 --> 00:18:20,346 I'm sitting there in the cockpit like, okay, I gotta get this guy, 457 00:18:20,376 --> 00:18:24,336 we gotta line up in precision and there's all kind of fuel and air and 458 00:18:24,336 --> 00:18:26,046 sparks and, you know, blowing up. 459 00:18:26,046 --> 00:18:29,166 And I just, I'm like, you know, I don't wanna do that at two in the morning, 460 00:18:29,506 --> 00:18:31,876 and be a firework and over, over Iraq. 461 00:18:31,876 --> 00:18:32,536 So like, how? 462 00:18:32,566 --> 00:18:33,856 Man, that is intense. 463 00:18:33,856 --> 00:18:35,836 And it's like you said though, it's a very simple thing. 464 00:18:35,836 --> 00:18:37,096 All you need to do is radio over to 'em. 465 00:18:37,096 --> 00:18:39,436 Say, Hey, this is what I need you to do, do this, I'm gonna do that. 466 00:18:39,436 --> 00:18:39,916 And it's good. 467 00:18:39,916 --> 00:18:43,256 But you, when you can't do that, it makes, it makes something so simple. 468 00:18:43,256 --> 00:18:44,876 Seem very much more. 469 00:18:45,101 --> 00:18:47,201 Much more complex, so that's interesting. 470 00:18:47,231 --> 00:18:47,591 Okay. 471 00:18:47,831 --> 00:18:50,801 Well let's talk a little bit about this because you, you talked about debrief, 472 00:18:51,101 --> 00:18:57,111 you know, kind of what, was there any like moment or, or was there anything 473 00:18:57,111 --> 00:19:02,001 that idea, that really inspired you to say, I need to take this back. 474 00:19:02,001 --> 00:19:05,391 Like I need to, this, this is a thing and I need to go and 475 00:19:05,391 --> 00:19:06,471 share this with other people. 476 00:19:06,471 --> 00:19:08,451 Was there something that drove that idea? 477 00:19:08,464 --> 00:19:12,659 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Well there, there was, so I was, I had the opportunity 478 00:19:12,719 --> 00:19:18,809 after I came back from my second tour in Afghanistan to do some post-graduate work 479 00:19:19,037 --> 00:19:19,397 Dallas Burnett: Harvard. 480 00:19:19,422 --> 00:19:19,822 Mm-hmm. 481 00:19:20,069 --> 00:19:22,529 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: we were sitting in a cross-cultural 482 00:19:22,559 --> 00:19:24,239 communica, leadership class. 483 00:19:24,884 --> 00:19:28,754 And I remember sitting next to a colleague of mine and the idea was. 484 00:19:29,514 --> 00:19:33,144 let's relatively small class, maybe 30 students. 485 00:19:33,174 --> 00:19:38,634 The idea was how can we learn from each other's diverse backgrounds 486 00:19:38,637 --> 00:19:38,987 Dallas Burnett: Right. 487 00:19:39,144 --> 00:19:41,184 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: take the kind of, do a best of 488 00:19:41,217 --> 00:19:41,507 Dallas Burnett: Yeah. 489 00:19:41,517 --> 00:19:41,867 Right. 490 00:19:42,234 --> 00:19:45,174 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: and collaborate and see what's happening in the world 491 00:19:45,174 --> 00:19:48,714 of finance and business and see what's happening in government and see what's 492 00:19:48,714 --> 00:19:51,174 happening in, in these different areas. 493 00:19:51,174 --> 00:19:53,824 And, and I was kind of the military voice in that. 494 00:19:54,199 --> 00:19:55,009 In that room. 495 00:19:55,009 --> 00:19:57,949 And, and I remember a colleague, she turned to me and she was 496 00:19:57,949 --> 00:20:04,489 like, how do you all perform at, at, at a high level consistently? 497 00:20:04,519 --> 00:20:08,869 How do you get that level of consistency where you're always right? 498 00:20:08,869 --> 00:20:14,129 Like it's, it, it's not clockwork because, There are, you know, some missions 499 00:20:14,129 --> 00:20:19,619 don't go as well as, as, as we hope, but over across the board, it's the idea of 500 00:20:19,619 --> 00:20:21,749 performing at a high level consistently. 501 00:20:22,079 --> 00:20:26,889 And pondering on that thought I came up with the idea of, really the 502 00:20:27,087 --> 00:20:27,507 Dallas Burnett: To her 503 00:20:27,579 --> 00:20:28,749 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: question was 504 00:20:29,017 --> 00:20:31,467 Dallas Burnett: because we have a system of 505 00:20:31,479 --> 00:20:34,029 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: of debrief that drives 506 00:20:34,777 --> 00:20:35,447 Dallas Burnett: continuous, 507 00:20:35,709 --> 00:20:36,249 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: improvement. 508 00:20:36,907 --> 00:20:38,017 Dallas Burnett: again, getting back to that 509 00:20:38,034 --> 00:20:38,784 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: that idea of 510 00:20:38,892 --> 00:20:39,642 Dallas Burnett: better tomorrow. 511 00:20:39,762 --> 00:20:39,822 Yeah. 512 00:20:40,734 --> 00:20:41,034 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: and, 513 00:20:41,082 --> 00:20:41,562 Dallas Burnett: everybody, 514 00:20:41,724 --> 00:20:42,474 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: buys into the 515 00:20:42,727 --> 00:20:43,017 Dallas Burnett: yeah. 516 00:20:43,254 --> 00:20:44,664 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Everybody buys in 517 00:20:44,742 --> 00:20:45,372 Dallas Burnett: Wow. 518 00:20:45,474 --> 00:20:45,864 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: and, 519 00:20:45,957 --> 00:20:46,677 Dallas Burnett: So that kind 520 00:20:46,824 --> 00:20:49,164 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: of triggered the idea of, well, 521 00:20:49,612 --> 00:20:50,397 Dallas Burnett: of how can I package this 522 00:20:51,084 --> 00:20:51,594 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: this and 523 00:20:51,652 --> 00:20:55,212 Dallas Burnett: can we work collaboratively to transfer this 524 00:20:55,272 --> 00:20:59,852 to other folks so that they can benefit from the lessons learned? 525 00:21:00,354 --> 00:21:01,644 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: that were from. 526 00:21:02,232 --> 00:21:02,432 Military? 527 00:21:02,582 --> 00:21:02,872 Yeah. 528 00:21:03,849 --> 00:21:09,969 and apply a debrief strategy that's simple, efficient, and quick enough 529 00:21:10,029 --> 00:21:13,149 that they'll actually do it to move the needle in their life. 530 00:21:13,167 --> 00:21:15,477 Dallas Burnett: I think that's so good because it's not about, I 531 00:21:15,477 --> 00:21:17,967 mean, you are the best, but when you're the best, you still have 532 00:21:17,967 --> 00:21:19,287 to be the best at getting better. 533 00:21:19,287 --> 00:21:20,577 'cause you're always the target. 534 00:21:20,577 --> 00:21:20,907 Right. 535 00:21:20,907 --> 00:21:21,237 You know? 536 00:21:21,237 --> 00:21:24,147 So we got, we got, we might be the best, but we definitely gotta 537 00:21:24,147 --> 00:21:25,287 be the best at getting better. 538 00:21:25,287 --> 00:21:27,147 And that's what you're talking about here when I think about 539 00:21:27,147 --> 00:21:31,077 the debrief, is that system, it's really interesting too, because 540 00:21:31,077 --> 00:21:32,997 it's a system that drives a culture. 541 00:21:32,997 --> 00:21:35,097 You said it, you said everybody bought in. 542 00:21:35,772 --> 00:21:40,002 And so I think that's a fascinating approach because, you know, people talk 543 00:21:40,002 --> 00:21:43,572 about company culture, but company, you know, I, I had a friend of mine put it 544 00:21:43,572 --> 00:21:47,502 on the whiteboard and I do it on all of my whiteboards I'll drive is, is 545 00:21:47,502 --> 00:21:49,602 culture is what we do around here, right? 546 00:21:49,602 --> 00:21:51,712 So it's what we do that counts. 547 00:21:51,712 --> 00:21:55,192 It's not the values on the wall, it's what you're taking out the door 548 00:21:55,192 --> 00:21:57,772 and you're walking and living out, you know, so it, it is, what you're 549 00:21:57,772 --> 00:22:02,212 saying is, it's interesting because this is a system that was put in place 550 00:22:02,212 --> 00:22:04,282 that can be very intentional about. 551 00:22:04,457 --> 00:22:06,797 Driving a culture of improvement. 552 00:22:06,977 --> 00:22:08,417 And I think that's really fascinating. 553 00:22:08,417 --> 00:22:12,617 'cause I think sometimes we might say, oh, we want to, we want to get better, 554 00:22:12,617 --> 00:22:14,237 or, oh, we want to, we wanna do that. 555 00:22:14,477 --> 00:22:19,667 But if you can't point to something specific and concrete to say, this is how 556 00:22:19,667 --> 00:22:24,257 we do it, and if there's one thing that you're gonna buy into is this right here. 557 00:22:24,257 --> 00:22:27,317 Because it fundamentally defines who we, who we say we are. 558 00:22:27,317 --> 00:22:30,227 And I think that's a, I think it's a really powerful concept. 559 00:22:30,227 --> 00:22:31,607 So if you're leading a team. 560 00:22:31,652 --> 00:22:35,432 If you're leading an organization, if you're coaching someone, can you point 561 00:22:35,432 --> 00:22:40,202 to something that's directly in alignment with a value that you're trying to live? 562 00:22:40,202 --> 00:22:41,852 Not an aspirational value. 563 00:22:42,062 --> 00:22:44,372 I'm talking about a defining value. 564 00:22:44,372 --> 00:22:47,942 Something that says this thing defines who we are. 565 00:22:47,942 --> 00:22:50,372 And so, you know, like what you're saying, Jeff is like. 566 00:22:50,632 --> 00:22:53,242 We were defined by doing this. 567 00:22:53,242 --> 00:22:56,962 This debrief helped us define about how we get better every single day. 568 00:22:56,962 --> 00:22:58,612 We're gonna get better every single day. 569 00:22:59,062 --> 00:23:00,682 I think it's so important for team leaders. 570 00:23:00,922 --> 00:23:03,892 How are you, how are you as a team improving? 571 00:23:04,112 --> 00:23:07,112 and if you are not, if you don't have something intentional that 572 00:23:07,112 --> 00:23:08,492 you can point to that you're doing. 573 00:23:08,722 --> 00:23:11,812 Consistently, how do you know if you're getting better? 574 00:23:11,812 --> 00:23:15,262 Because just saying you want to, and it doesn't even, and here's the other 575 00:23:15,262 --> 00:23:19,852 thing, I think some, especially in organizations where they're on the climb, 576 00:23:19,852 --> 00:23:21,532 it's going up and to the right, right? 577 00:23:21,682 --> 00:23:23,482 Everybody's happy, everybody's doing good. 578 00:23:23,482 --> 00:23:24,652 'cause the money's flowing. 579 00:23:25,137 --> 00:23:27,897 Is it because you're really the best at getting better? 580 00:23:27,897 --> 00:23:31,167 Or is it because you just kind of, you got struck by lightning. 581 00:23:31,167 --> 00:23:34,017 You happen to be in an industry that's exploding and you just happen to 582 00:23:34,017 --> 00:23:37,497 be on the ride with everybody else, and then whenever thing, whenever 583 00:23:37,497 --> 00:23:41,517 it plateaus off, or tech, you know, or there's a little hiccup, all of a 584 00:23:41,517 --> 00:23:44,817 sudden this is exposed that you weren't as good as you thought you were. 585 00:23:44,817 --> 00:23:45,057 Right? 586 00:23:45,057 --> 00:23:45,297 So. 587 00:23:45,417 --> 00:23:48,807 I just think that's really, really, I think the message that you're sharing 588 00:23:48,807 --> 00:23:54,017 is so important because Center Mass for leaders, coaches, and CEOs because 589 00:23:54,017 --> 00:23:58,007 I think that if we can't point to that, then we're just kind of walking 590 00:23:58,007 --> 00:23:59,627 blindly and hoping for the best. 591 00:23:59,627 --> 00:24:00,017 Right. 592 00:24:00,017 --> 00:24:01,547 So that's really good. 593 00:24:01,727 --> 00:24:02,117 Really good. 594 00:24:02,184 --> 00:24:03,244 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Yeah, absolutely. 595 00:24:03,294 --> 00:24:10,524 There, there's so much that can, be done as far as the culture if we 596 00:24:10,524 --> 00:24:17,214 can get individuals to buy into this idea of having a, a simple debrief. 597 00:24:18,624 --> 00:24:22,764 that develops and once that spreads across organizations, and I've been 598 00:24:22,764 --> 00:24:27,234 blessed to work with folks from, from all different kind of walks of life 599 00:24:27,234 --> 00:24:32,364 and once, once we get enough folks that are, have bought into the habit 600 00:24:32,394 --> 00:24:36,504 of debriefing in their own personal life, then we start to see the needle, 601 00:24:36,504 --> 00:24:38,304 needle start to move with the culture. 602 00:24:38,364 --> 00:24:39,504 And that's to your very 603 00:24:39,792 --> 00:24:40,482 Dallas Burnett: I love that. 604 00:24:40,482 --> 00:24:41,682 Let's talk a little bit about the habits. 605 00:24:41,682 --> 00:24:44,472 'cause you've got a model, you know, you've got the debrief model and 606 00:24:44,472 --> 00:24:46,542 you are actually helping people. 607 00:24:46,762 --> 00:24:50,122 and you speak a lot about, about how we set these habits in place. 608 00:24:50,122 --> 00:24:53,702 How do we turn these, you know, this, this debrief into a routine 609 00:24:53,702 --> 00:24:54,542 and what does that look like? 610 00:24:54,542 --> 00:24:57,962 'cause I mean, I think some people are out there probably going, I mean, I hear you. 611 00:24:58,142 --> 00:25:02,852 I know that it sounds good, you know, but, but what does a good debrief look like? 612 00:25:02,852 --> 00:25:04,112 I think that's what you're talking about. 613 00:25:04,112 --> 00:25:04,892 What does that look like? 614 00:25:04,952 --> 00:25:05,012 Yeah. 615 00:25:05,674 --> 00:25:07,004 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Yeah, that's a great question. 616 00:25:07,004 --> 00:25:11,654 So the debrief advantage is the name of the system that I, that 617 00:25:11,654 --> 00:25:16,784 I have the honor to, work with folks around the, around with. 618 00:25:16,784 --> 00:25:20,444 And, and it's based on two principles of human performance. 619 00:25:20,449 --> 00:25:23,654 What the system is, it's a, it's a principle centered. 620 00:25:23,859 --> 00:25:29,949 Human system for human performance that uses a debrief habit at its core. 621 00:25:29,979 --> 00:25:32,079 And so we focus around. 622 00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:36,519 It's built on two principles of human performance, and those principles are 623 00:25:36,939 --> 00:25:43,149 prospective proceeds, performance, that's principle one improvement as follows. 624 00:25:43,154 --> 00:25:43,534 Adjustments. 625 00:25:44,369 --> 00:25:49,169 I would suggest to you based on the years of work that I've done in 626 00:25:49,169 --> 00:25:54,389 this area of, of human performance and study and, and working with 627 00:25:54,389 --> 00:26:00,569 individuals, is that those principles are there, whether we see them or not. 628 00:26:00,689 --> 00:26:05,849 If we look at high performers, two principles of perspective 629 00:26:05,849 --> 00:26:09,899 proceeds performance and improvement of follows adjustment. 630 00:26:10,829 --> 00:26:15,299 Are, are, are in our lives and, and are. 631 00:26:15,299 --> 00:26:18,839 The question is how do we align to them to achieve the kind 632 00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:20,339 of results that we want to? 633 00:26:21,149 --> 00:26:23,549 that's where the debrief model comes in. 634 00:26:23,549 --> 00:26:26,824 And, and the debrief model that I teach is called the Great. 635 00:26:27,589 --> 00:26:30,949 great debrief model, it's an acronym, G-R-E-A-T 636 00:26:31,082 --> 00:26:31,862 Dallas Burnett: Five steps. 637 00:26:32,479 --> 00:26:35,479 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: and there's some really good lessons learned about 638 00:26:36,139 --> 00:26:41,979 how the habit itself of practicing these five steps can, can really move 639 00:26:41,979 --> 00:26:47,349 an organization and an individual, from really driving toward that 640 00:26:47,349 --> 00:26:49,294 idea of continuous improvement. 641 00:26:49,492 --> 00:26:50,152 Dallas Burnett: That's really good. 642 00:26:50,152 --> 00:26:53,632 I'd like to unpack, like your first thing there where you said 643 00:26:53,632 --> 00:26:55,702 perspective precedes performance. 644 00:26:55,872 --> 00:26:58,842 how would you describe that in more detail to the listeners? 645 00:26:58,842 --> 00:27:00,702 Because I think that's a really good concept, but I wanna 646 00:27:00,702 --> 00:27:01,622 un understand that better. 647 00:27:02,097 --> 00:27:02,742 So when we. 648 00:27:02,814 --> 00:27:06,594 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: think about how we show up in our lives, it's 649 00:27:06,594 --> 00:27:10,884 really the understanding that how we perform in a situation. 650 00:27:12,444 --> 00:27:16,344 Was actually influenced before we got into the situation. 651 00:27:16,704 --> 00:27:17,214 Right? 652 00:27:17,214 --> 00:27:22,014 And so, you know, I, I have the chance to work with athletes and sometimes 653 00:27:22,014 --> 00:27:25,584 I'll work with, and, and in that scenario it's the difference between 654 00:27:25,652 --> 00:27:26,832 Dallas Burnett: You're a football guy 655 00:27:27,174 --> 00:27:29,664 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: it's a difference between fourth and 20 656 00:27:30,092 --> 00:27:30,442 Dallas Burnett: being 657 00:27:30,894 --> 00:27:32,364 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: oh, we don't have a chance. 658 00:27:33,024 --> 00:27:36,894 And, and fourth and 20 being, this is my time for greatness. 659 00:27:37,257 --> 00:27:38,847 Dallas Burnett: yeah, yeah, yeah. 660 00:27:38,967 --> 00:27:39,297 Yeah. 661 00:27:39,534 --> 00:27:43,884 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: how many times in our lives do we come into situations 662 00:27:44,304 --> 00:27:51,894 where, how we see the situation shapes how we perform inside that situation? 663 00:27:51,894 --> 00:27:52,314 And, 664 00:27:52,907 --> 00:27:53,127 Dallas Burnett: And. 665 00:27:53,484 --> 00:27:58,434 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: when we, the, the, the five step debrief model aligns to 666 00:27:58,434 --> 00:28:05,514 help us shape the proper perspective so that we're performing optimally in 667 00:28:05,514 --> 00:28:07,069 the situation when we arrive at it. 668 00:28:07,332 --> 00:28:09,962 Dallas Burnett: You know, that's counterintuitive when 669 00:28:09,962 --> 00:28:11,162 you think about a debrief. 670 00:28:11,162 --> 00:28:14,372 I think a lot of leaders hear the word debrief and they're 671 00:28:14,372 --> 00:28:16,412 thinking it's about looking back. 672 00:28:16,472 --> 00:28:16,532 Yeah, 673 00:28:16,729 --> 00:28:17,009 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Mm-hmm. 674 00:28:17,072 --> 00:28:18,962 Dallas Burnett: but you just kind of flip the script there. 675 00:28:18,962 --> 00:28:20,162 You're like, no, no, no, nah. 676 00:28:20,402 --> 00:28:25,142 We're shaping the perspective of the next time you see this in or 677 00:28:25,142 --> 00:28:26,402 the next time you go through this. 678 00:28:26,402 --> 00:28:28,052 So we're we're the debrief Yes. 679 00:28:28,052 --> 00:28:30,842 Is looking back, but it's actually the point is to shape your 680 00:28:30,842 --> 00:28:32,822 perspective on the next thing. 681 00:28:32,822 --> 00:28:35,882 So it's not just historical records, it's not like I'm 682 00:28:35,882 --> 00:28:37,983 gonna capture all this to CYA. 683 00:28:38,042 --> 00:28:40,982 So if anybody looks in the record books, they'll know it's not my 684 00:28:40,982 --> 00:28:42,242 fault that this thing went wrong. 685 00:28:42,242 --> 00:28:42,452 Right. 686 00:28:42,452 --> 00:28:42,812 It's not. 687 00:28:42,812 --> 00:28:44,522 It has nothing to do with that really. 688 00:28:44,522 --> 00:28:45,752 You're talking about looking forward. 689 00:28:45,752 --> 00:28:46,622 That's interesting. 690 00:28:46,910 --> 00:28:47,990 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: that's the whole point of it. 691 00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:52,340 Again, I think back to some of the lessons learned from military aviation, and 692 00:28:52,340 --> 00:28:55,085 again, the whole purpose of the debrief. 693 00:28:56,495 --> 00:28:59,105 One singular purpose be better tomorrow. 694 00:28:59,405 --> 00:29:03,905 So the whole shape of what we're doing is focused around how do we 695 00:29:03,905 --> 00:29:09,035 develop continuous improvement so that next time we see what we're doing, 696 00:29:09,095 --> 00:29:10,925 we're doing it at a higher level. 697 00:29:11,375 --> 00:29:12,955 And that's what the habit allows us to do. 698 00:29:13,778 --> 00:29:14,258 Dallas Burnett: I love that. 699 00:29:14,258 --> 00:29:16,928 Now, let's talk about that second point you made about improvement. 700 00:29:16,928 --> 00:29:18,248 Let's unpack that a little bit. 701 00:29:18,259 --> 00:29:21,439 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: the second principle of human performance is, as 702 00:29:21,439 --> 00:29:26,029 it drives to continuous improvement, is improvement follows adjustment. 703 00:29:26,059 --> 00:29:30,619 And what we're talking about here is sometimes I'll, I'll 704 00:29:30,619 --> 00:29:33,059 phrase this, in the way of. 705 00:29:34,664 --> 00:29:37,514 If we don't change, nothing's gonna get better. 706 00:29:37,694 --> 00:29:40,334 If we keep doing what we're gonna do, we're due. 707 00:29:40,484 --> 00:29:42,254 We are gonna keep getting what we're gonna be 708 00:29:42,282 --> 00:29:42,572 Dallas Burnett: Yeah. 709 00:29:42,794 --> 00:29:43,214 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: right? 710 00:29:43,244 --> 00:29:44,804 There's no way around that. 711 00:29:45,164 --> 00:29:52,559 And so when we intentionally understand that, the gap is between where we 712 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:58,574 are now and where we want to be order to close that gap change. 713 00:29:59,654 --> 00:30:03,314 There's no way to get there from, from where we are now to where 714 00:30:03,314 --> 00:30:04,874 we want to be without change. 715 00:30:05,084 --> 00:30:08,954 So the idea is how do we align with that principle of 716 00:30:08,954 --> 00:30:11,384 improvement follows adjustment. 717 00:30:11,774 --> 00:30:18,314 How do we dial in Dallas and, and really make the correct that are 718 00:30:18,314 --> 00:30:20,354 actually gonna result in improvement? 719 00:30:20,354 --> 00:30:22,514 'cause we could just go out there blindly 720 00:30:22,757 --> 00:30:22,977 Dallas Burnett: So, 721 00:30:23,384 --> 00:30:24,134 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: we see that. 722 00:30:24,272 --> 00:30:24,692 Dallas Burnett: yeah. 723 00:30:24,944 --> 00:30:26,654 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: you know, in our life we see well. 724 00:30:27,209 --> 00:30:31,439 Hey, you know, I just changed a bunch of things at once and one of 'em worked out 725 00:30:31,859 --> 00:30:34,139 and sometimes we're fortunate in that way. 726 00:30:34,139 --> 00:30:39,029 But what I would suggest a structured debrief model does 727 00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:41,129 for us is it really allows 728 00:30:41,222 --> 00:30:44,567 Dallas Burnett: Be very precise about what changes we. 729 00:30:44,699 --> 00:30:48,989 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: need to make based on the experience we just had, that's gonna 730 00:30:48,989 --> 00:30:51,064 set us up for improvement in the future. 731 00:30:51,407 --> 00:30:52,247 Dallas Burnett: I love that. 732 00:30:52,247 --> 00:30:56,837 I think, again, it's just so interesting because it's giving a very rich picture 733 00:30:57,077 --> 00:30:59,507 of how you define and describe a debrief. 734 00:30:59,507 --> 00:31:03,857 It's not just a meeting that you look at, okay, we did good or we did bad. 735 00:31:03,857 --> 00:31:06,707 There's so much more intentionality to it, and we talk a lot about 736 00:31:06,707 --> 00:31:08,567 intention, intentionality on this. 737 00:31:08,742 --> 00:31:10,032 In the last 10%. 738 00:31:10,032 --> 00:31:12,642 We know if you're gonna be in the last 10%, if you're gonna live 739 00:31:12,642 --> 00:31:16,422 well, if you're gonna finish strong, you've got to have intention. 740 00:31:16,422 --> 00:31:20,232 And I'd love the debrief because you're saying we're gonna be intentional 741 00:31:20,232 --> 00:31:21,852 about shaping our perspective. 742 00:31:21,852 --> 00:31:23,322 So we we're fourth and 20. 743 00:31:23,532 --> 00:31:27,132 There's not a question if, if we're gonna do it, it's like we got. 744 00:31:27,237 --> 00:31:28,377 Four different options. 745 00:31:28,377 --> 00:31:29,757 Which one do we want to try here? 746 00:31:29,757 --> 00:31:30,027 Right? 747 00:31:30,027 --> 00:31:32,997 So it's different where there's confidence that we walk in that situation. 748 00:31:33,147 --> 00:31:34,677 We already have that perspective. 749 00:31:34,677 --> 00:31:37,887 So where our perspective is, we've been here before, we know 750 00:31:37,887 --> 00:31:39,807 what to do, let's go get it done. 751 00:31:39,807 --> 00:31:42,567 Versus, oh my gosh, we're about to lose this game. 752 00:31:42,567 --> 00:31:42,777 Right? 753 00:31:42,777 --> 00:31:43,017 You know? 754 00:31:43,017 --> 00:31:45,807 So I love that intentionality and I love the fact that you're 755 00:31:45,807 --> 00:31:47,967 saying you're just going ahead and saying and calling it, look. 756 00:31:48,207 --> 00:31:52,377 We've got, we've got to make adjustments if we want to get better, because if 757 00:31:52,377 --> 00:31:54,927 we just keep doing the same thing, we're gonna get the same results. 758 00:31:54,927 --> 00:31:56,427 And that's the definition of insanity. 759 00:31:56,427 --> 00:31:56,697 Right? 760 00:31:56,697 --> 00:32:00,747 So we, the, the, the fact that we can move through that, we just are 761 00:32:00,747 --> 00:32:04,647 automatically, we're gonna say, we're going to build in this practice and this 762 00:32:04,647 --> 00:32:07,497 habit of making adjustments to get better. 763 00:32:07,497 --> 00:32:08,817 I think that's, rock steady. 764 00:32:08,817 --> 00:32:09,597 I love that. 765 00:32:09,597 --> 00:32:11,337 I you have the, debrief model. 766 00:32:11,487 --> 00:32:12,987 You use the great acronym. 767 00:32:13,287 --> 00:32:18,687 If you were to pick one of the letters out of Great that you feel like our 768 00:32:18,687 --> 00:32:23,277 listeners would just be the, would just benefit the most from, can you pick one? 769 00:32:23,277 --> 00:32:25,737 I mean, sometimes it's like having kids I can't pick. 770 00:32:25,797 --> 00:32:28,707 They're all good, you know, I can't pick, I can't pick one. 771 00:32:28,707 --> 00:32:31,497 But if you had to pick one, which one would you share today? 772 00:32:31,947 --> 00:32:34,757 With, of the great, acronym that you, you think our leaders 773 00:32:34,757 --> 00:32:35,837 would benefit the most from? 774 00:32:36,204 --> 00:32:38,634 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Mm. Yeah, that, that's a good question. 775 00:32:38,634 --> 00:32:42,294 And, and they are all, they build on each other, right? 776 00:32:42,294 --> 00:32:47,069 So the each one takes a different perspective on, on the. 777 00:32:48,454 --> 00:32:54,404 As you go around, because they're mutually supportive, but I, I would say if I had to 778 00:32:54,404 --> 00:32:57,014 pick one, I would pick the first one, the 779 00:32:57,262 --> 00:32:57,552 Dallas Burnett: Okay. 780 00:32:57,854 --> 00:33:00,104 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: in the model, which stands for gratitude. 781 00:33:00,494 --> 00:33:04,544 And we start with gratitude for a very intentional reason. 782 00:33:04,874 --> 00:33:11,384 And that reason is because have to anchor ourselves. 783 00:33:12,619 --> 00:33:17,659 To what we are grateful for to be here because that's the springboard. 784 00:33:17,659 --> 00:33:20,209 We don't improve based on failure. 785 00:33:20,239 --> 00:33:22,609 We improve based on success. 786 00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:26,899 And so when we look at, and this gets very much to the point of aligning 787 00:33:26,899 --> 00:33:30,229 with the first principle, which is perspective proceeds performance. 788 00:33:30,529 --> 00:33:34,579 Well, the question then is, what's perspective should I walk into a 789 00:33:34,579 --> 00:33:40,429 situation with, I would suggest, based on the years of study that I've. 790 00:33:40,619 --> 00:33:45,929 Done in this area that when we look at the things that really drag us down in 791 00:33:45,929 --> 00:33:53,214 performance, anger, frustration, those type of negative feelings, the one that's 792 00:33:53,214 --> 00:33:58,434 kind of the antidote to all of them is gratitude the human body, we can't 793 00:33:58,434 --> 00:34:00,594 process both of those at the same time. 794 00:34:00,894 --> 00:34:06,234 So I, I would suggest to you that gratitude is the anchor point of, of. 795 00:34:07,214 --> 00:34:13,319 Continuous improvement, that is what performance, in my opinion is based on. 796 00:34:13,787 --> 00:34:16,277 Dallas Burnett: I've gotta say, you just surprised me quite a bit there. 797 00:34:16,337 --> 00:34:19,627 I mean, when you said g and i wa I didn't, I didn't know what you 798 00:34:19,627 --> 00:34:23,377 were gonna say, but when you said gratitude, I wasn't expecting You 799 00:34:23,377 --> 00:34:29,667 got a combat fighter pilot in the military, who is talking about debriefs. 800 00:34:29,667 --> 00:34:33,312 I, I just assumed it was going to be, I don't know what I assumed. 801 00:34:34,077 --> 00:34:36,717 But I just didn't think gratitude would be the first. 802 00:34:36,717 --> 00:34:39,327 But it's fascinating because I totally agree. 803 00:34:39,577 --> 00:34:44,167 and, and I, I think that positioning your mindset, I just, that's just shocking. 804 00:34:44,167 --> 00:34:45,157 That's really interesting. 805 00:34:45,157 --> 00:34:46,897 Now, now I'm, now I'm interested. 806 00:34:46,897 --> 00:34:49,567 Like now I'm like, oh God, there's, that's, that's there one more lesson. 807 00:34:49,567 --> 00:34:52,897 So, but I just, I, I love that because of what you've, what you've 808 00:34:52,897 --> 00:34:56,407 done is you've exactly what you said, you said perspective and 809 00:34:56,407 --> 00:34:57,907 you're shaping the perspective. 810 00:34:57,907 --> 00:34:59,167 It's, it's the mindset. 811 00:34:59,167 --> 00:35:00,667 It's not just the information. 812 00:35:01,337 --> 00:35:05,087 it's the information but the mindset that's shaping that perspective. 813 00:35:05,087 --> 00:35:06,227 So, I mean, I, I love that. 814 00:35:06,227 --> 00:35:07,217 That's really good stuff. 815 00:35:07,217 --> 00:35:07,367 That, 816 00:35:07,649 --> 00:35:07,919 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: that's a 817 00:35:08,147 --> 00:35:08,312 Dallas Burnett: that's a great point. 818 00:35:08,532 --> 00:35:08,832 You know. 819 00:35:08,849 --> 00:35:11,194 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: know, when I speak on this, a lot of times 820 00:35:11,194 --> 00:35:12,934 people have that same reaction. 821 00:35:12,934 --> 00:35:16,054 I can tell in the crowd that they're thinking, you know, this former 822 00:35:16,054 --> 00:35:17,914 fighter pilot's gonna stand up there. 823 00:35:18,214 --> 00:35:21,544 And when I deliver gratitude, they think. 824 00:35:21,784 --> 00:35:24,304 Oh, we're gonna light candles and do yoga. 825 00:35:24,304 --> 00:35:25,834 Like, what's going on here? 826 00:35:26,164 --> 00:35:26,704 Right? 827 00:35:26,764 --> 00:35:29,524 This is not what, this is not what I came here 828 00:35:29,572 --> 00:35:29,862 Dallas Burnett: Yeah. 829 00:35:30,312 --> 00:35:33,072 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: and then I show a video and, and talk about the 830 00:35:33,072 --> 00:35:35,862 Blue Angels, which most folks know. 831 00:35:36,362 --> 00:35:39,157 they have a saying on the team called Glad to be. 832 00:35:39,862 --> 00:35:44,152 after every single debrief they use, everybody on that team uses 833 00:35:44,152 --> 00:35:45,862 those words, glad to be here. 834 00:35:45,982 --> 00:35:47,002 And it's more 835 00:35:47,090 --> 00:35:47,380 Dallas Burnett: Just, 836 00:35:47,602 --> 00:35:51,352 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: a saying, it's an anchor of belief of we 837 00:35:51,730 --> 00:35:53,340 Dallas Burnett: glad to be here and that's our 838 00:35:53,452 --> 00:35:55,162 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: foundation for excellence. 839 00:35:55,535 --> 00:35:55,775 Dallas Burnett: foundation. 840 00:35:55,775 --> 00:35:57,275 Mm. Oh man. 841 00:35:57,665 --> 00:35:58,685 I love that. 842 00:35:58,835 --> 00:36:01,325 I love the fact that they said, we're glad to be here and that's 843 00:36:01,325 --> 00:36:02,555 our foundation of excellence. 844 00:36:02,585 --> 00:36:05,705 I mean, that's, that's, I think that's so missed. 845 00:36:06,095 --> 00:36:10,175 When we talk about excellence, a lot of times, we'll, as leaders, I think we get 846 00:36:10,175 --> 00:36:13,085 caught up in like the Six Sigma, right? 847 00:36:13,085 --> 00:36:17,675 Not that there's anything wrong with Lean Six Sigma, you know, quality 848 00:36:17,675 --> 00:36:20,165 improvement, whatever, a total quality. 849 00:36:20,165 --> 00:36:22,445 I mean, we, the whole thing, we go all the way back, but it's. 850 00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:26,870 It's not about necessarily squeezing as the saying goes, squeezing 851 00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:27,740 blood outta the tournament. 852 00:36:27,740 --> 00:36:32,540 Like there's this, it's not necessarily only about just getting tighter and 853 00:36:32,540 --> 00:36:36,210 tighter and tighter, I think you lose the spirit of what you're there for. 854 00:36:36,210 --> 00:36:39,210 You lose purpose if you don't start with. 855 00:36:39,805 --> 00:36:42,445 Excellence coming from, I'm glad to be here because the 856 00:36:42,445 --> 00:36:44,995 motivation comes from that, right? 857 00:36:44,995 --> 00:36:49,615 Like if you, how are you motivated to really dial in the, the, if 858 00:36:49,615 --> 00:36:52,165 you're just drudgery, like if you're not glad to be here, it's this 859 00:36:52,165 --> 00:36:54,175 JOB, like, I'm just showing up. 860 00:36:54,415 --> 00:36:56,185 You're never gonna dial it as tight. 861 00:36:56,185 --> 00:36:58,285 If you go, I'm so glad to be here. 862 00:36:58,285 --> 00:36:59,815 And so I, I mean, I just love that. 863 00:36:59,815 --> 00:37:02,095 I love, I love that excellence really starts. 864 00:37:02,415 --> 00:37:04,635 That I'm glad to be here as a foundation of excellence. 865 00:37:04,665 --> 00:37:06,435 That is the first time I've heard that. 866 00:37:06,855 --> 00:37:09,765 And I, man, that's, that is gold right there. 867 00:37:09,765 --> 00:37:10,755 That is gold. 868 00:37:10,845 --> 00:37:12,105 Oh, oh, man. 869 00:37:12,105 --> 00:37:12,705 I know, I know. 870 00:37:12,705 --> 00:37:13,575 The listeners are loving that. 871 00:37:13,575 --> 00:37:16,215 So I'm gonna ask you this, because you talked to a lot of teams. 872 00:37:16,245 --> 00:37:18,015 You talked to a lot of companies and organizations. 873 00:37:18,175 --> 00:37:20,275 you've been in aviation for a long time. 874 00:37:20,275 --> 00:37:24,465 You throughout your career when you know, you know, high, Essentially 875 00:37:24,465 --> 00:37:27,795 high performers, you're talking about how they're reflecting, adjusting, 876 00:37:27,795 --> 00:37:31,365 and improving but what are some of the obstacles that you've seen 877 00:37:31,365 --> 00:37:34,455 that leaders face when they're trying to kind of implement this 878 00:37:34,605 --> 00:37:36,975 debrief habit in their organization? 879 00:37:37,305 --> 00:37:41,505 Like what, what kind of stumbling blocks or roadblocks do they, that 880 00:37:41,655 --> 00:37:42,840 they encounter that you help 'em with? 881 00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:43,479 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Right. 882 00:37:43,479 --> 00:37:44,649 So probably 883 00:37:44,802 --> 00:37:45,222 Dallas Burnett: The biggest 884 00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:50,829 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: ones is that the debrief is seen at the, the idea of 885 00:37:50,829 --> 00:37:53,289 debriefing and, and improving performance. 886 00:37:53,529 --> 00:37:57,449 There's nothing particularly, Insightful about that idea, right. 887 00:37:57,449 --> 00:37:58,259 I think at some 888 00:37:58,422 --> 00:37:58,962 Dallas Burnett: we all know. 889 00:37:59,249 --> 00:38:02,399 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: as as high performers, that if we review 890 00:38:02,399 --> 00:38:05,639 what just happened, we're likely to be better the next 891 00:38:05,757 --> 00:38:06,867 Dallas Burnett: Mm-hmm. 892 00:38:06,954 --> 00:38:08,034 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Right, and that's the, 893 00:38:08,232 --> 00:38:10,137 Dallas Burnett: So, so the challenge is not so 894 00:38:10,194 --> 00:38:10,794 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: much 895 00:38:11,037 --> 00:38:11,837 Dallas Burnett: much getting folks 896 00:38:12,084 --> 00:38:14,574 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: to buy into the idea of a debrief. 897 00:38:14,844 --> 00:38:20,004 The challenge is getting it into their workflow so that it's not 898 00:38:20,004 --> 00:38:24,924 distracting from what's next in their life, because we all are busy 899 00:38:25,087 --> 00:38:25,377 Dallas Burnett: what. 900 00:38:25,884 --> 00:38:27,624 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: is we have a cycle of. 901 00:38:28,134 --> 00:38:32,514 We, we finish an event and then it's right onto the next event. 902 00:38:33,354 --> 00:38:38,904 what I'm, what I work with folks to do is try and get a very, very simple, 903 00:38:38,904 --> 00:38:42,324 I mean we're talking Dallas, we're talking this whole five step great 904 00:38:42,324 --> 00:38:44,964 model can be done in five minutes. 905 00:38:45,297 --> 00:38:45,377 Dallas Burnett: Hmm. 906 00:38:46,224 --> 00:38:47,214 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: or as a team. 907 00:38:47,347 --> 00:38:47,567 Dallas Burnett: Wow. 908 00:38:47,754 --> 00:38:50,334 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: the idea is after we finish a meeting, after 909 00:38:50,334 --> 00:38:55,104 we finish an event, something like that, it's gotta be repeatable. 910 00:38:55,104 --> 00:39:00,234 It has to be the exact same sequence so that we're not surprising and we stay, we 911 00:39:00,234 --> 00:39:02,544 don't let the debrief go off the rails. 912 00:39:03,094 --> 00:39:05,554 And it's gotta be timely. 913 00:39:05,944 --> 00:39:08,224 Because we've got important things to do. 914 00:39:08,404 --> 00:39:11,974 We gotta get in, we gotta have a system, a structured system to pull 915 00:39:11,974 --> 00:39:15,304 out the good stuff that we need to pull out to be better tomorrow. 916 00:39:15,594 --> 00:39:16,404 and then we're moving 917 00:39:16,677 --> 00:39:17,337 Dallas Burnett: Yes. 918 00:39:17,514 --> 00:39:17,784 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: I, 919 00:39:17,812 --> 00:39:17,932 Dallas Burnett: I. 920 00:39:17,934 --> 00:39:19,824 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: would say the biggest challenge that I 921 00:39:19,824 --> 00:39:26,844 see is getting folks to not get distracted and make it an hour long. 922 00:39:27,294 --> 00:39:30,594 Session where we're just pointing out what went wrong. 923 00:39:30,954 --> 00:39:35,124 And you know, again, it's a system for human performance, which 924 00:39:35,124 --> 00:39:36,774 means we gotta deal with egos, 925 00:39:36,917 --> 00:39:37,137 Dallas Burnett: Yes. 926 00:39:37,164 --> 00:39:37,734 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: which, 927 00:39:37,787 --> 00:39:38,897 Dallas Burnett: Which means, you know, 928 00:39:39,024 --> 00:39:39,624 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: we want, 929 00:39:39,687 --> 00:39:40,347 Dallas Burnett: we get 930 00:39:40,494 --> 00:39:41,484 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: back to the gratitude, 931 00:39:41,607 --> 00:39:41,617 Dallas Burnett: we 932 00:39:41,784 --> 00:39:41,934 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: We 933 00:39:42,087 --> 00:39:42,247 Dallas Burnett: our 934 00:39:42,324 --> 00:39:44,094 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: team to be glad to be 935 00:39:44,307 --> 00:39:44,527 Dallas Burnett: yes. 936 00:39:44,844 --> 00:39:46,074 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: We want, we want the 937 00:39:46,447 --> 00:39:47,707 Dallas Burnett: To understand that 938 00:39:48,264 --> 00:39:49,794 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: we're gonna be better tomorrow. 939 00:39:50,784 --> 00:39:55,704 how do we identify both what's going right, so we can repeat it? 940 00:39:56,364 --> 00:40:00,864 And what we can improve on, which is things that maybe didn't go as 941 00:40:00,927 --> 00:40:01,277 Dallas Burnett: right. 942 00:40:01,374 --> 00:40:02,664 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: and how do we get better? 943 00:40:03,237 --> 00:40:04,407 Dallas Burnett: Ah, man, I love that. 944 00:40:04,407 --> 00:40:08,277 I love the timely piece too, because if you just, it's like, it's so easy 945 00:40:08,277 --> 00:40:11,397 when you finish something, you have the celebration, hey, you know, and 946 00:40:11,397 --> 00:40:14,007 everybody goes out and you're like, on the next thing, the next bright and 947 00:40:14,007 --> 00:40:18,207 shiny thing, the next pressing thing, urgent, whatever, and then you're like, 948 00:40:18,237 --> 00:40:19,647 you wake up two months later and you. 949 00:40:20,167 --> 00:40:22,747 You know what we need to really, and then, you know, then you've 950 00:40:22,747 --> 00:40:23,857 already missed an opportunity. 951 00:40:23,857 --> 00:40:26,427 And I think that's so important that, that you approach it that 952 00:40:26,427 --> 00:40:29,997 way because there's so much that fidelity, it's like a loss of fidelity. 953 00:40:29,997 --> 00:40:32,307 Once you, the further away you get from the event, the 954 00:40:32,307 --> 00:40:34,047 more fidelity that you lose. 955 00:40:34,047 --> 00:40:38,302 The picture just kind of gets dim and blurry and, You know, I think 956 00:40:38,302 --> 00:40:41,212 there's so much more power if you can do it, like you said, right after it. 957 00:40:41,512 --> 00:40:44,662 I just think about that from like, we do leadership summits at, for private 958 00:40:44,662 --> 00:40:48,652 clients and, you know, at the end of the summit we do this debrief and, and I, I'm 959 00:40:48,652 --> 00:40:50,302 just very fascinated to see your model. 960 00:40:50,302 --> 00:40:53,642 'cause we might, maybe we can take that and put it in, to the sessions afterwards. 961 00:40:53,642 --> 00:40:55,412 But we do it like literally we go. 962 00:40:55,487 --> 00:40:56,207 Done. 963 00:40:56,627 --> 00:41:00,097 And then we all, all the team goes into another room while everybody 964 00:41:00,097 --> 00:41:02,527 else is going home, going to get their suitcases packing up. 965 00:41:02,647 --> 00:41:06,217 We go to another room and sit around the table and we're like, okay, we just 966 00:41:06,217 --> 00:41:09,277 finished five minutes ago now where we at? 967 00:41:09,277 --> 00:41:09,967 And let's go. 968 00:41:09,967 --> 00:41:10,777 Let's see what we got. 969 00:41:10,777 --> 00:41:11,527 And so it's just. 970 00:41:11,532 --> 00:41:13,782 If, but, but here's what we've done in the past too. 971 00:41:14,142 --> 00:41:16,212 Somebody got out, somebody didn't come, we didn't do it. 972 00:41:16,212 --> 00:41:17,322 We'd say, okay, we'll do it tomorrow. 973 00:41:17,322 --> 00:41:18,912 And then next thing you know, you wake up, it's a month 974 00:41:18,912 --> 00:41:19,962 later and you haven't done it. 975 00:41:19,962 --> 00:41:21,792 And then you're like, man, we've lost some information. 976 00:41:21,792 --> 00:41:24,162 'cause there's some things we just we're never gonna get back 977 00:41:24,372 --> 00:41:25,692 if we didn't do it right then. 978 00:41:25,692 --> 00:41:26,802 So I love that. 979 00:41:27,282 --> 00:41:27,672 I love that. 980 00:41:27,736 --> 00:41:30,406 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: and you know, I know you're in the, the, the last 981 00:41:30,406 --> 00:41:32,686 10% are the folks that, that debrief. 982 00:41:32,686 --> 00:41:39,166 And I would even suggest statistically, it's, it's the 5%, it's the top 5% of 983 00:41:39,166 --> 00:41:44,986 folks, whether it's in athletics or business or whatever, healthcare, whatever 984 00:41:44,986 --> 00:41:48,976 it is, it's statistically the top 5%. 985 00:41:49,726 --> 00:41:54,256 Of individuals are ones that have a structured, even in some 986 00:41:54,279 --> 00:41:54,499 Dallas Burnett: Wow, 987 00:41:54,586 --> 00:41:55,186 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: or fashion. 988 00:41:55,186 --> 00:41:58,276 We're gonna just, like you said, we just finished the event. 989 00:41:58,456 --> 00:42:02,236 Hey, we're gonna get the team together and we're gonna talk about what, what 990 00:42:02,236 --> 00:42:07,426 was good, what was bad, what we can do next year, that that's elite error. 991 00:42:07,426 --> 00:42:08,116 You're in right 992 00:42:08,314 --> 00:42:11,314 Dallas Burnett: Well that's, that's so incredible because it's exactly 993 00:42:11,314 --> 00:42:12,964 what we wanna do for our listeners. 994 00:42:12,964 --> 00:42:16,594 If you're listening to the last 10%, you care about living well, finishing 995 00:42:16,594 --> 00:42:20,164 strong, you're, you care about being the best at getting better. 996 00:42:20,164 --> 00:42:22,774 And today is like center mass. 997 00:42:22,774 --> 00:42:24,634 We're talking center mass on this. 998 00:42:24,979 --> 00:42:27,409 Because I think that this habit is exactly right. 999 00:42:27,439 --> 00:42:32,574 He's, you know, Jeff is telling us that the people that are living in the 1000 00:42:32,574 --> 00:42:37,914 last 10% are practicing really, they're being very intentional about debriefing. 1001 00:42:37,914 --> 00:42:39,774 So, I think that's really great. 1002 00:42:39,824 --> 00:42:44,414 if there was someone listening to the last 10% that's maybe stuck, big goal, team 1003 00:42:44,414 --> 00:42:48,884 project, personal habit, do you have any practical advice that you would give them? 1004 00:42:49,289 --> 00:42:53,839 And, and it may be part of your debriefing strategy or model, but what advice 1005 00:42:53,839 --> 00:42:57,779 would you give them to kind of break through that plateau, and finish strong? 1006 00:42:58,481 --> 00:43:02,201 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Yeah, so I would suggest the, thing that it, it's the 1007 00:43:02,201 --> 00:43:07,151 last step of the five step model, which is the t take time for lessons learned. 1008 00:43:07,241 --> 00:43:14,531 And what we talk about there is simply we're trying to get 1% better. 1009 00:43:14,954 --> 00:43:15,174 Dallas Burnett: yes. 1010 00:43:15,281 --> 00:43:15,611 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: it. 1011 00:43:15,731 --> 00:43:17,111 We're not trying, you 1012 00:43:17,219 --> 00:43:17,439 Dallas Burnett: Yes. 1013 00:43:17,561 --> 00:43:18,551 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: don't like pe. 1014 00:43:18,851 --> 00:43:21,491 Sometimes when I talk to CEOs and they're like, you know, 1015 00:43:21,899 --> 00:43:22,439 Dallas Burnett: Get 10. 1016 00:43:23,021 --> 00:43:24,041 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Can we get the 15? 1017 00:43:24,041 --> 00:43:27,461 Like what ROI and these, and these are, these are important and I understand 1018 00:43:27,461 --> 00:43:32,381 where their question's coming from, but where I'd like to draw them 1019 00:43:32,381 --> 00:43:34,596 back into the mindset of is where. 1020 00:43:34,891 --> 00:43:38,311 We're in hot pursuit of continuous improvement 1021 00:43:38,414 --> 00:43:38,564 Dallas Burnett: right. 1022 00:43:38,671 --> 00:43:40,171 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: and what that looks like. 1023 00:43:40,231 --> 00:43:42,211 That does not happen in leaps and 1024 00:43:42,344 --> 00:43:42,974 Dallas Burnett: No. 1025 00:43:43,081 --> 00:43:46,321 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: That happens in 1% better each day. 1026 00:43:46,354 --> 00:43:46,854 Dallas Burnett: That's right. 1027 00:43:46,964 --> 00:43:47,454 Someone. 1028 00:43:47,701 --> 00:43:53,881 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: struggling, I would suggest to you to just find some way. 1029 00:43:54,191 --> 00:43:57,251 That at night before when you're brushing your teeth. 1030 00:43:57,251 --> 00:43:59,021 We talk about doing that in the book. 1031 00:43:59,021 --> 00:44:04,571 We talk about anchoring the habit to brushing your teeth, right, because it, 1032 00:44:04,576 --> 00:44:05,951 it takes a couple minutes to do that. 1033 00:44:05,951 --> 00:44:09,941 You can mentally go through this five step model while you're brushing your teeth. 1034 00:44:10,421 --> 00:44:16,901 Find a way to just think about is one thing that I learned from today 1035 00:44:18,341 --> 00:44:20,051 that will make me better tomorrow? 1036 00:44:20,231 --> 00:44:20,591 Whether 1037 00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:23,614 Dallas Burnett: You know, in whatever area, whether it's your 1038 00:44:23,614 --> 00:44:25,474 health, whether it's your family 1039 00:44:26,111 --> 00:44:26,771 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: whether it's your 1040 00:44:26,954 --> 00:44:28,774 Dallas Burnett: or entrepreneur, 1041 00:44:29,081 --> 00:44:30,731 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: coach, whatever. 1042 00:44:31,164 --> 00:44:34,594 Dallas Burnett: just find one little nugget and if you 1043 00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:35,339 start building those nuggets 1044 00:44:35,351 --> 00:44:36,521 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: those nuggets on top 1045 00:44:36,644 --> 00:44:36,804 Dallas Burnett: off. 1046 00:44:37,271 --> 00:44:38,951 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: you know, you know as well as I do 1047 00:44:39,149 --> 00:44:39,539 Dallas Burnett: Yeah. 1048 00:44:39,611 --> 00:44:43,451 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: that after a while you're making some significant progress. 1049 00:44:43,649 --> 00:44:47,729 Dallas Burnett: love that we talk about the 1%, advantage all the time, micro 1050 00:44:47,729 --> 00:44:50,549 movements, because we have a coaching system that we implement and that's 1051 00:44:50,549 --> 00:44:51,899 literally part of the coaching system. 1052 00:44:51,899 --> 00:44:54,209 We say, Hey, it's just 1%. 1053 00:44:54,209 --> 00:44:58,109 You're looking to move them 1% this month, not, you're not looking, and I look at it 1054 00:44:58,109 --> 00:45:00,359 like this, like a CEO, like you're saying. 1055 00:45:00,359 --> 00:45:04,229 It's a great point because A CEO, you're standing on the ground and they're 1056 00:45:04,229 --> 00:45:07,439 already looking out the top floor of the Empire State Building and they, they can. 1057 00:45:07,594 --> 00:45:11,104 See it, you're both standing on the ground and they're like, man, okay, 1058 00:45:11,104 --> 00:45:14,074 can you take me to the, top of the Empire State building like tomorrow? 1059 00:45:14,284 --> 00:45:18,484 And it's like, or like right now, like in one minute and it's like, Hey, yeah, 1060 00:45:18,484 --> 00:45:22,684 but like, what's the likelihood of me jumping up the staircase, you know, 10, 1061 00:45:22,684 --> 00:45:24,424 you know, like five floors at a time. 1062 00:45:24,484 --> 00:45:25,204 Impossible. 1063 00:45:25,204 --> 00:45:26,824 But I, what's one floor? 1064 00:45:26,884 --> 00:45:29,064 That's a, that's a, I mean, I gotta be a high jumper to get there. 1065 00:45:29,509 --> 00:45:32,239 But I can take the first step and then I can take the second step. 1066 00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,149 And then over a period of time, next thing you know, you've climbed, you 1067 00:45:35,149 --> 00:45:37,669 know, whatever number of stories to the top of the Empire State Building. 1068 00:45:37,819 --> 00:45:39,349 But you don't do it all at one time. 1069 00:45:39,379 --> 00:45:41,059 You just, you gotta take it one step at a time. 1070 00:45:41,059 --> 00:45:42,199 You can't, you can't do it all at once. 1071 00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:45,949 And I think that's the, so it's so tempting to say what shortcut, 1072 00:45:45,949 --> 00:45:48,979 what elevator can I take to just take me to the top and I'm there? 1073 00:45:49,339 --> 00:45:50,574 And that's not where the work is. 1074 00:45:50,579 --> 00:45:52,549 The work, the work is what gets you there. 1075 00:45:52,549 --> 00:45:56,839 But to be able to sustain that is so overwhelming when you look at all this. 1076 00:45:57,289 --> 00:46:00,079 You know, 80 floors or a hundred floors, you're going, I gotta go all that. 1077 00:46:00,109 --> 00:46:00,679 No, you don't. 1078 00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:03,199 You just gotta take the next step, the next step, the next step. 1079 00:46:03,199 --> 00:46:04,939 So I think that's so true. 1080 00:46:04,999 --> 00:46:05,989 It's so powerful. 1081 00:46:05,989 --> 00:46:07,879 It's a powerful concept, man. 1082 00:46:07,879 --> 00:46:10,789 I'm telling you, Jeff, this has been the most fun conversation. 1083 00:46:10,789 --> 00:46:13,069 I really think that this is a great model. 1084 00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:16,559 and I know our listeners are going, we've given them two, you've given 1085 00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:20,199 them the first and the last, the first and the last, number one 1086 00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:21,339 and number five of the model. 1087 00:46:21,399 --> 00:46:25,929 If you wanna find out the, the three in the middle, you need to connect with Jeff. 1088 00:46:25,959 --> 00:46:27,429 You need to buy his book. 1089 00:46:27,669 --> 00:46:32,169 And so, Jeff, tell us where people can connect, where they can learn 1090 00:46:32,169 --> 00:46:34,059 more about the debrief model. 1091 00:46:34,696 --> 00:46:35,491 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Yeah, thanks Dallas. 1092 00:46:35,631 --> 00:46:40,706 So they can go to debrief advantage, back slash start, debrief, advantage, 1093 00:46:40,706 --> 00:46:44,366 backslash start, and there are all the free resources and everything 1094 00:46:44,366 --> 00:46:45,986 specifically for your listeners. 1095 00:46:46,316 --> 00:46:48,656 And that'll get 'em on the, the habit. 1096 00:46:48,656 --> 00:46:52,916 The model is there, there's everything they need to start 1097 00:46:52,916 --> 00:46:56,006 a simple, repeatable five step. 1098 00:46:56,291 --> 00:47:00,041 Debrief habit that's gonna drive them to continuous improvement. 1099 00:47:00,574 --> 00:47:01,084 Dallas Burnett: that's awesome. 1100 00:47:01,114 --> 00:47:03,364 If you're driving, you know, we'll put it in the show notes. 1101 00:47:03,364 --> 00:47:04,114 Check it out. 1102 00:47:04,114 --> 00:47:09,754 Check Jeff out, connect with him and Jeff, we always end the show asking every guest. 1103 00:47:10,384 --> 00:47:14,074 If you were to hear and listen to somebody on the last 10%, 1104 00:47:14,134 --> 00:47:15,454 who would you like to hear? 1105 00:47:15,454 --> 00:47:17,134 Be a guest on the last 10%. 1106 00:47:17,851 --> 00:47:18,811 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: Yeah, that's great. 1107 00:47:18,811 --> 00:47:23,721 And I'm, I'm gonna go with, that I, I've never had an opportunity to speak 1108 00:47:23,721 --> 00:47:28,401 with 'em, but I have been influenced by their, their work across their life. 1109 00:47:28,401 --> 00:47:30,381 And that is Sammy Hagar. 1110 00:47:30,381 --> 00:47:30,951 I don't know if 1111 00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:31,959 Dallas Burnett: Wow. 1112 00:47:32,304 --> 00:47:32,594 Yeah, 1113 00:47:32,991 --> 00:47:36,231 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: fan or you know, former lead singer of Van Halen. 1114 00:47:36,231 --> 00:47:36,411 And, 1115 00:47:36,759 --> 00:47:36,819 Dallas Burnett: yeah. 1116 00:47:36,831 --> 00:47:40,221 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: and, I just, I used to listen to his music. 1117 00:47:40,266 --> 00:47:42,606 Prior to every combat mission. 1118 00:47:42,844 --> 00:47:43,064 Dallas Burnett: Oh. 1119 00:47:43,866 --> 00:47:48,396 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: I li now I listen to him before I go on stage and after 1120 00:47:48,396 --> 00:47:50,136 I, you know, I just, he gets me. 1121 00:47:50,491 --> 00:47:55,206 And, and not only that, his span of what he's been able to do from 1122 00:47:55,206 --> 00:48:01,236 where he grew up and in rock and roll hall of Fame and all that stuff. 1123 00:48:01,236 --> 00:48:05,226 But also he, he does a lot of great charitable work and, and he's 1124 00:48:05,226 --> 00:48:07,506 just a, to me, his songwriting. 1125 00:48:07,511 --> 00:48:08,921 Is very impactful. 1126 00:48:08,921 --> 00:48:09,311 So 1127 00:48:09,369 --> 00:48:09,969 Dallas Burnett: I love seeing, 1128 00:48:10,031 --> 00:48:11,051 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: hear you interview 1129 00:48:11,394 --> 00:48:11,904 Dallas Burnett: man. 1130 00:48:11,904 --> 00:48:12,534 You know what? 1131 00:48:12,534 --> 00:48:13,764 We'll have to, we'll have to see. 1132 00:48:13,764 --> 00:48:16,764 We'll reach out, we'll see if we can get our people in touch with his people and 1133 00:48:16,764 --> 00:48:20,394 see if we can get him on the last 10% that, Hey, listen, I'm a music buff man. 1134 00:48:20,394 --> 00:48:22,764 When you say music, man, that, that, that goes deep. 1135 00:48:22,779 --> 00:48:23,769 and I love Van Halen. 1136 00:48:23,769 --> 00:48:24,759 That is really great. 1137 00:48:24,759 --> 00:48:27,689 So, yeah, man, that's a good, that's a good hit right there. 1138 00:48:27,689 --> 00:48:28,739 that would be a fun show. 1139 00:48:28,739 --> 00:48:29,879 So, we'll have to see. 1140 00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:34,009 well, Jeff, man, thank you so much for being on the last 10%. 1141 00:48:34,009 --> 00:48:35,179 We thank you for your wisdom. 1142 00:48:35,179 --> 00:48:38,479 You dropped some great wisdom for our listeners and, we are 1143 00:48:38,479 --> 00:48:39,919 just gonna keep on remembering. 1144 00:48:39,919 --> 00:48:41,479 We gotta be the best at getting better. 1145 00:48:41,479 --> 00:48:43,849 Just like what you're saying, we're gonna do it through the debrief model. 1146 00:48:43,849 --> 00:48:45,739 So thanks again for being on last 10%. 1147 00:48:46,441 --> 00:48:46,951 Jeff "Bones" Bonner: I love it. 1148 00:48:46,951 --> 00:48:47,701 Dallas, thanks so much.