I am always confused when I ask someone who says I

want to start a podcast, I'll ask them why. I'll ask them who, and then

I'll say, how are you going to measure your success? And they

always look confused and go, well,

downloads. And I'm like, okay. And as I dig into

more of what they're trying to do, it turns out they want to turn this

into a business. To which I then say, well, shouldn't we be

measuring success in revenue? And

they go, oh, yeah, I guess. And so you don't

have to make money with your podcast. But often we get

disappointed when our numbers go, well, not

the way we want them to or not as fast as we want them to.

And so what I wanted to do today was point out

11 different ways you can measure success that have

nothing to do with with downloads. Hit it, ladies.

The school of podcasting with Dave

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subscription. You'll hear more about that later. But yeah,

it's always kind of interesting how somebody

will. You know, I usually say, why are you doing this? Who is this for?

What's your content gonna be? And then how are you going to measure your success?

And it just dumbfounds people. They're like, well, downloads. And

I was like, look, yes, that is one way to measure

if things are working or not. But I thought about it and I was

like, there are a lot of other ways to measure your

success. And what I wanted to point out was one of these

stats. I grew by almost 40% this year.

And so while my download numbers, I just

looked, they're kind of. I'm, I'm fairly consistent

that I get about

7,000 downloads a month. But then in October

or no, September, that went over 10,000.

And yeah, September was 10,000,

October was 16,000 out of nowhere. And I thought, well, I bet there were

five Mondays that month. No. And then

likewise, In February of 2025,

I was down to 5,000. So it kind of comes and

goes. And so if I only base

my success on downloads, I would need

medication. And so what I wanted to point out, I'LL give you an

example. My show. I do this show

to help you plan, launch, and grow your podcast. But the

way I measure my success is how many people sign up for the School

of Podcasting. So in January, my numbers go through the roof because

everybody's like, I'm gonna start a podcast. And then in February, those numbers go down,

much like gym memberships in America, but my

membership goes up. So I really thought about this,

and this is what I just. Some of the ones I came up with, the

first one, and I think this is more important

than downloads. And that is if you go into Apple and I'll have links to

these out in the show notes, just go to

schoolofpodcasting.com 1011. This

one goes to 1011, right? So I'll have links

to these. But if you log into Apple or

Spotify's dashboard, you can see

how far people are listening. Now, I will say,

be careful what you wish for, because there are times where, like, man, I wish

I knew how people, you know, how far people were listening. And then you

go in and you go, well, it says

42. Like, 42%.

And they're like, is that good? And then I go, well,

I hate to say this to you, but I'm an old teacher,

and where I come from, 70% is a C,

80% is a B, and anything above 90 is an A. So

42 is not something

that you know. It's a great place to start because you

can kind of only go up from there. But keep that in mind. That

is a way to do that. And what's really great about this

is you can go in, especially in Apples, if you see all of a

sudden just your, you know, the little line that's showing people are

still listening just turns into a waterfall because they're all leaving. You can click

there and hit the play button and say, like, what did I say here

that caused everybody to leave? And I remember once I

was looking at these, I do a show with Daniel J. Lewis called the Future

of Podcasting. And we were talking about just freedom of speech.

And I said the T word that rhymes with rump

and just mentioning that person's name. There was

a significant number of people, they're like, I'm out of here. So keep that

in mind. I always say, right? There's, you know,

religion, politics, or other things you just should mention, even if

you're just using it as an example. Number two. And so you

can do that. Now, what's interesting is in

Apple, there are things called listeners this is the number of

unique devices that have played more than zero seconds of an

episode. So if you're looking for like how many actual people,

then there's engaged listeners. This is a number. I like to look at

the number of unique devices. Again, people that

played at least 20 minutes or

40% of an episode with a single session.

And I know you could say, but Dave, what if I have a phone and

an iPad and a computer? Okay, right. And how

many people do that? So there's that. And you can

use that as a metric. Now Spotify shows

people you reached. That's how many people actually

got to see your stuff. And then they have people who showed

interest. That means they interacted with your show. And that might be

an indicator of your artwork or your title.

And then people who actually consumed so

they listened or watched your show. Those are stats you can

use to see am I going up or down? And that can help you with

things like titles. So like when you put episode six,

Dave Jackson, that does not make people want to click. But if

you say you know how to grow your podcast for free, people

will click on that all day long. Now don't be clickbaity.

Don't I look at your episode title as a

promise. This is what I'm talking about then. So

that's one, your completion percentage. And again,

be careful what you wish for. And, and if it is lower than you think,

that's okay. That's feedback that you could go,

oh, I thought people loved my three hour shows because after all,

Joe Rogan does it. Well, Joe Rogan's

Joe Rogan. And you're not. At least not yet. And it

may. The beautiful thing is you might find

out that, hey, maybe my audience wants a

shorter show, which means it doesn't take as long to make the show, or maybe

they don't want a daily show or maybe whatever, but you can get some feedback

on that. Now keep in mind, when you're looking at Spotify's

dashboard, that's only people that listen on Spotify. When you're

looking at Apple's dashboard, that's only people that listen in Apple.

Now the downloads, if you're looking for downloads, you want to look at your media

host. And yes, if somebody listens on a website and they listen for at

least a minute, it will count as a download in your media host.

Speaking of that right now, in fact, this is coming to an end this week,

I believe I'll have to double check. But Captivate, which is one of my

favorite. I love Captivate. Love Buzzsprout. Those are probably my top two.

And then even that it's with podcasting, it's always

a. It depends on what you're doing. But Captivate has a deal right now. If

you buy a year's worth of hosting, you get four months free. And what's

cool is that's for existing customers, too. Because I was doing monthly

and I was like, hey, can I get in on that? Even though I'm

not a new customer? And they're like, yep. So if you're looking to

get four months free, yes, you have to buy a year, and that's a

chunk of change. But if you can do it, that's a good deal.

All right, so meanwhile, and yes, I will say if you go

out to. Again, schoolofpodcasting.com 10 11.

The link for Captivate will be an affiliate link. So it's a way to support

the show without actually, you know, spending extra money. Number three,

another one, and this is my favorite, is

unprovoked audience feedback. This means you put out

your episode and you didn't say something

like, you know, go to schoolofpodcasting.com?

that's the question of the month. That is a provoked answer. I am telling

you where and what to say and how to go. This is just. You

just put out an episode and, you know, hey, if you know anybody who would

like this show, tell a friend. And then you wake up in the morning and

you've got three, four, maybe emails from people

going, man, that really touched me. Or, you know,

what? The. The interview was good. I kind of

knew most of what that person was saying. But I am going to implement this

strategy that's unprovoked audience feedback.

And I'm here to tell you that'll make you feel giddy.

You're just like, ooh, wow, people are listening. I couldn't believe it. And when they

do that, when you get that feedback, always,

I can, like, bold, double underline, always

reply to that and start a conversation. Hey,

thanks so much. And then I always ask them, you

know, do you have a topic you would like me to talk about in the

future? I am wide open to talking about

that. I got one from Timothy Keem

o' Brien that I'm going to be working on here in the future,

because he left a comment, and I'm like, hey, thanks so much. And I said,

is there anything you would like to see? And he goes, yeah, and you'll have

to follow the show and find out later what he said. But I'M working on

it. So unprovoked audience feedback.

And here's another one. This is the one that I looked at and was like,

holy cow. If the goal of your show is

is to monetize, this is a key metric.

And it's not downloads, it is number

four. How much is your email list growing now? If you are a

regular listener to the show? You know, I always put somewhere in

the middle, there's a little commercial for the school of podcasting and then There's a

quick 15 second that just says, want more podcasting?

Whatever observations or insights, go to podcasting

observations.com and I have

grown my email list by 40%.

Now I also have an email and this is a mess,

for the record, But I was amazed that I grew at 40%. Part of it

is I have lead magnets. Like if you go to school of

podcasting.com best practices, I did an

episode where I gave you 15 best

practices. If you go to schoolofpodcasting.com

best practices, you can get the original 15 and

six more, I believe, if I remember right. And

that lead magnet, my email list I then use to a grow

my audience. But I also use it and I have a coupon

code in there. Like right now, you heard me say at the beginning of the

show, if you use the coupon code listener, you can save on your, you

know, monthly, quarterly or yearly subscription. Well, in, in my newsletter,

because I'm creative, I have a coupon that is,

you guessed it, newsletter. And they get a discount. Now, for the

record, it's the same discount. It just lets me know where you came from.

And so just by simply coming up with some league

magnets. Not that, by the way, that AI created. These are not

AI created lead magnets. Nothing wrong with AI created lead magnets, but

these are a little more honed in. We talked about the boots on the ground

kind of information in the last episode. And so

I was amazed that just by promoting it and I have

pop ups now on my website, which I realize are kind of annoying, but

it did grow my email list by 40%.

So that's another metric that you can go, okay, well, my downloads are kind of

staying the same, but I'm growing my email list.

And so keep that in mind that you might

be getting kind of kicked in the teeth. Wow, these numbers

are just not going the way I want them to. But then you go

over for me, I was like, wait, what? 40%?

And I've got a calculator. I'll put in the show notes so

you just put in, where did you start? Where did you end up? And it'll

be like, okay, here's how much growth you had. And I was like, it was

like 38.7 or something like that. And I'm like, I'll take

39%, number five. And so another way,

if you have some sort of community, you can look at your

community. Now, this could be Facebook or Discord. I love

Heartbeat. Heartbeat just came out with an AI feature

that they. In the demo video makes it

so easy to set up a.

Some sort of. Whatever you want to call it, a community. Because I know I

had somebody sign up over there, and just getting it up and going was

confusing. And so they left, and I was,

like, kind of bummed. And now Heartbeat has this

new thing, or you could use Circle. There's a bunch of these. School

is another one. And so, I mean, I give you

an example, Mark Lawley of practical prepping.

He has. I went over and looked. He does a show with his wife Krista.

They are both lovely people. I got to hang out with them at

the Empowered Podcasting Conference this year. And they have.

Are you ready for this? He has

115,000

people in his Facebook group.

Just let that 100. Like, that's a stadium full

of people in his Facebook group. Now, for the

record, I don't recommend Facebook or any free

service for your community. Paul G. Was

on an episode. I think he lost 85,000 people in a Facebook group.

I've been kicked out of my own. I got kicked out of my own Facebook

group. What was the horrendous thing I said? I went in and said,

hey, lunch with Dave starts in 20 minutes. And they banned me and said I

was a spammer. I'm like, it's my Facebook group. Took me about

a little over two months, maybe six weeks to get

that back. And I would have only gotten it back because I had a podcast,

because I reached out to you and said, does anybody know anybody that works at

Facebook? So that could be something

that you could look at to see. All right,

what part of my show is successful and

it might be your community? And this is where we're going to go back

to the P word. We say it in every podcast

episode. It kind of depends. Hey, this is

future Dave. And I figured out that depends doesn't start with the letter P.

But apparently I'm tired, right? Because

maybe you don't have a community. Maybe you're not looking to monetize,

so you don't really care about your Email list, you know, so keep that in

mind. But these are other things that aren't downloads, that

in the event you're kind of like, downloads aren't really doing well. Okay.

It's like when you're like, well, I haven't really lost a lot of weight, but

my blood pressure's down. Well, that's good. And your cholesterol's down. Okay,

well, you're headed in the right direction. So that's another way to measure

success. Number six. And then this one does

go with. If you're trying to make money with your

podcast, one of the best ways to use a podcast is to use

it as the marketing arm of your business. And so if the

goal of your show is to grow your business, then looking at the number

of customers, the revenue generated, that's why

I. If you wonder why I always say that coupon code at the beginning, I

want to be able to trace that back. I rarely put that

in print. And so if somebody uses the coupon code listener,

it's because you're a listener. And so the revenue

generated should be something that you could look at. And

again, I really get confused why people

say, yeah, I'm going to judge my success. And look, I

shouldn't say that that sounds negative. They just haven't thought it through

that if the goal of the show is to make money, well,

again, as I'm saying today, there are many ways to

judge your success. But if the goal is money, I

believe you should be measuring your success in income.

And if you want to get super specific profit,

because I hear a lot of gurus like, oh, I did $8 million

last year. I'm like, okay, how much profit did you make? Oh,

$13.57. Because you're paying a team of,

you know, 60. You know, my buddy Ray Edwards,

when had to file bankruptcy and he was making millions, why? Because

he had a giant team. I love the fact that he was so

transparent about that. And why did he do that? Well, because everybody else had

a team. So that's another way you can

measure your success. Number seven. Here's another one. And I was like, you

know what? This is something that you could measure. And I'm going

to call it the attribution stat. Because attribution is

a kind of a word in podcasting that some people

go, ooh. Because there are some ways that people are tracking

podcast listeners and they call that attribution. So I can

see that, you know, so and so clicked on a link

and yada, yada, yada, they do that a lot

in advertising. That is not what I'm talking about. But the theory

is the same. And so if you ask people

who interact with you and they answer the question

when you say, so how did you find me? And the answer is,

well, I heard your podcast. I remember my

friend Pat Flynn, great guy, going to be a

keynote speaker at podfest and just super nice

guy. And I knew Pat when he was just a blogger and then

he started his podcast and he said he was kind of bummed out because

he put a lot of time and effort into his blog. But when he talked

to people, he said, well, how did you like? What's your favorite part?

And they were like, oh, I listen to your podcast all the time. They weren't

ignoring his blog. But when it came up to how did you found me? How

did you found me? Yes, how did you found me? Is

it really. It's not even late. How did you find me?

He. It was always his podcast and so

that might be it. And it lets you know that your

SEO, right, using keywords in your titles and things

like that without being again clickbaity or stuffing it

or that word of mouth is growing. Number

eight. And then another one is being

asked to speak. We talked

about unprovoked audience feedback.

This is unprovoked opportunities to appear on

other podcasts or speaking gigs. I'm speaking at the

National Religious Broadcasters Conference

next year in Tennessee. Looking forward to that. That

was an unprovoked ask. They just said, hey, this

is coming up next year. We'd like you to speak. And I

was like, okay, so this could be other media

appearances, I've been on tv,

things of that nature. That could be something again, if that's your

goal now, if that's your goal, you have

to make sure people know that you're a

speaker. And so if you ever wonder why

there's a segment of this show that says where am I going to be? Well,

number one, I want to meet you. And if you're in the area

and can attend that event, it'd be great to hang out.

So that's one. I'm also promoting the event.

So that's, you know, the, the event actually likes the fact that I'm saying come

to PodFest in January. And the fact that I always

say if you'd like me to speak at your event, go to

schoolofpodcasting.com contact so

that is something that I don't track as much

toe for crying out loud, here comes another 10 second tangent. 10

seconds indeed. Such absolute rubbish. Here's a

thought. Alex Sanfilippo, if you're listening, here's an

idea, because I love Pod Match. Podmatch is a great

place to be found as a guest. And if you're

looking to find guests over there, I

like Pod Match. They've kind of gamified it a bit. And. And Spotify has

that year end review. It'd be interesting if they did some sort of

urine review so you could see how many shows you appeared on or how

many guests you had or things like that. So if that's something that you're trying

to do, you could do that. Ugh.

Finally back to the show. And then this is

kind of a number nine, an offshoot of that. So

being asked to speak. But I'm gonna count this as a different one. And that

is, are you being seen as the authority? You

were the river. I can't do Cartman. What's going on?

The river sparked my authority. Right. So from south park.

Have you ever heard yourself being quoted? I have.

It's kind of cool. It's hard to watch your ego. Like you got to kind

of grab your head and make sure it doesn't go crazy. What I always

feel bad about is when people say, there

is no. Dave Jackson always says, there's no such thing as

too long, only too boring. And I swear, I always say that is Valerie

Geller. I am quoting Valerie Geller. So if you're quoting me

quoting Valerie Geller, just give the quote to Valerie. I love that

quote. But here's the thing you might want to do.

You can go see what websites are linking to

yours, which may, for the record, be someone

you collaborate with. And there's an article from

Semrush which is a cool tool for SEO. It's kind of costly,

but they have a free version. But it explains how you can see who

is linking to your site. I think you can just go in

to Google and type in links colon

and then your website address and it will show you people that are linking to

you. But that would be something. If you're trying to be seen as the authority,

then that's a way you could do that. Number 10,

another one, especially if you're brand new,

that you could use as a measurement of success,

is simply, are you consistent

in your schedule? Because I talk about this

all the time. When you are consistent in schedule, whatever

the schedule is, that it

makes it easier for your audience to put you into their

routine. Every Friday I go to

Walmart because that's how I Party. On the weekends, I go to

Walmart and I grocery shop. Why? Because nobody's in there.

And I listen to podcasting 2.0 with Adam Curry

and Dave Jones on Saturday morning. I

listen to Pod News Weekly Review with James Kridlin

and Sam Sethi as I am getting up, showering,

making my breakfast, getting ready to do Ask the podcast Coach, you

become part of their routine. And so if you're a

person that's struggling with that and then later you're

not, well, congratulations. That's something to be proud

of. Now, I always say if you're like, if

you're starting off your show going, hey, it's Monday and

I don't know what I'm going to talk about today, that's not being consistent.

That's wasting your audience's time. Because I would much

rather have a quote, if we could use air quotes here, a late

show that was supposed to come out on Monday, but now it's Tuesday.

I'd rather have a late show that was like, remarkable than

an on time show that was okay. Well, that wasn't

horrible, right? And speaking of things that hopefully

aren't horrible, here's a quick word about the school of

podcasting number 11. And then

here's another one. I remember

when I was doing the Logical Weight Loss podcast many moons ago,

I started off with, I thought one audience, and I found

out much later, oh, that's not who's listening to this at all. And

so one of the things you can measure is quality of audience.

So just because you're attracting people, are you attracting

the right people? So if we're looking at

Ray over around the layout, right, the show, he's

been on a guest and he does a show about

model trains, well, that's great. But if Ray gets a bunch of

people that love knitting, he's like, yeah, we're not really here

to talk about knitting. We're talking about, you know,

model railroads. So are you getting the right people?

And you're like, well, what if I'm getting the wrong people? Well, I remember

when Super Joe Pardo, who used to run an event,

did a show and he just attracted a

completely different audience than what he wanted.

And he had to kind of go, well, I could tweak my content

to better attract the people I was shooting for, or,

hey, look, I got an audience. What do they want?

Daniel J. Lewis is another great example of that. His show is called the

Audacity to Podcast. And he meant it as the audacity,

as in like the courage to Podcast, but there is that software

called, you know, Audacity. And so when he first started,

he got a lot of people thinking they were going to get Audacity

tips. And so what did Daniel do? Yeah, he gave them

Audacity tips. And then he also asked them,

what are you guys looking for? And so some of them said, well, I've got

this Zoom P6 thing. You can't figure it out. Oh.

So Daniel went and made a course, and then,

you know, he found out that they wanted more engagement, so he made

podgagement. And then he saw that, you know, there are

some media hosts that don't support chapters, so he

made pod chapters. So he gathered an audience.

Wasn't really the audience he was looking for because he was, I think,

originally just promoting. He used to do artwork. He doesn't do that anymore.

But he gathered an audience and went, well, okay, I got an audience.

Because you don't monetize a podcast. You monetize

an audience. And he went, what do you guys need? One other

example, I'm working with Ralph Estepp Jr. Who's the content

creators accountant dot com. And Ralph

realizes he has to make sure to be clear, he's there to help you keep

the money you make. Not so much how to make content,

how to grow your audience. He's like, no, no, I'm here to help you. And

as a content creator, you've worked hard to make your money. Here's how you keep

it, and here's how you grow it, and here's how you grow your business. So

you have to make sure you have the right audience. Number 12, the

last one. And this is the one that

encourages longevity. You know, I've had people

ask, Dave, you've been doing this over 20 years now.

How do you keep doing it? Why? Why haven't you burned yourself out?

And number one is, I do a weekly show, and

if I had to do this show more than once a week, it would make

me crispy or it would be much shorter, something

like this. But I call this the fun and

fulfillment factor. And it

starts off, I always say, when you first start out,

start a timer, whatever it is, if you're using Toggle or Clockify

Me or just the, you know, the timer on your phone,

measure how much time you're putting in. And then you want to make sure

to take your life and see if there's enough room to squeeze

in your podcast, not

take your podcast and see if you can squeeze your life into your podcast.

Because that's just a recipe for Burnout. But some other things

when it comes to the fun and fulfillment factor,

which again, starts with creating a schedule you can live with. But

are you a better communicator or interviewer than when you

first started? Well, that's something to go, hey, look, I'm

making progress. Do you feel more confident explaining

your topic? Do you feel more confident behind the

microphone? Do you feel less of the imposter

syndrome? That whole nine. For a lot of

podcasters, especially when you first start out that first year,

that's really the huge improvement. My buddy

Nancy May from Family Tree Food and Stories. So

if you're a foodie that loves stories, check it out.

I'll put a link in the show notes again. Schoolofpodcasting.com

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11 and she went back and listened to some

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of my early episodes and she's like, wow, you've changed

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a lot. I'm like, well, I hope so. That would be

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disappointing. So. So that is something when you first start off, really, sometimes

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that first year is just you getting comfortable behind the mic, and then

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year two, you make better content, and by year three,

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your audience is sharing that. But the fun and

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fulfillment factor is something like, hey,

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I used to hate my show and then I

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hired a bunch of editors or I outsourced all the stuff that

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I hated, and now I like my show again. Well,

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that's something that you can go, yes, this is more successful.

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And I will now keep doing my podcast because I'm seeing growth

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here. So those are all ways that are not

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really having to do with downloads that you can use to

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go, hey, is my show getting any better? And you may be

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surprised that, yeah, there's a lot of things that are improving

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that have nothing to do with downloads. And that's something to be

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encouraged about the school of

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podcasting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Two quick

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things. Apple has adopted chapters in Apple

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Podcasts. And I logged in at

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podcasts again with AN S All one word podcast

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podcasts connect apple.com

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and I kind of like the way Apple does this. And that is, hey, if

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you're not doing this, we're going to add this to your

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show in Apple Podcasts. And so their

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chapter kind of little option, and you log in, you click on your show, and

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you go to. I think it's accessibility. And there's an option for

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chapters. And it basically says, hey, if you're not adding chapters

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to your show, we will put them in. And

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those will be visible on Apple Podcasts.

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So keep that in mind if you're like, I have no idea what you

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just said, then you're fine. But for me,

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because I use media hosts like Captivate and Buzzsprout

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and Blueberry will do them as well. And if you're not using a host that

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does Chapters, then you could go to

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podchapters.com I love this tool.

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And you can add chapters. It just makes it easier to

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listen to your show, especially if it's a show like this

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where I have multiple topics. If you're not doing any

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of this, at least in Apple Podcasts, they are now going to add

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them to your show. For people who use Apple

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Podcasts automatically, the other thing I just wanted

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to briefly mention here, if you're a member of the School of Podcasting,

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I think I talked about this on the show, I was using a video host,

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Adilo, and they went

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down for a week. So basically I had a spell there as I was

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moving videos that none of the videos at the School of Podcasting were working,

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which was embarrassing, infuriating and other things. So I've moved a

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lot of them to a different host, but in the meantime they came back. So

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if you're a member of the School of Podcasting and you saw that all the

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videos are back and I'll be working with a Dillo in in the

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future to correct some things. So I just wanted to put that in there.

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And if you need help with your podcast, whether it's planning,

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and I love helping podcasters. It's what I do.

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I can't wait to see what we're going to do together. And

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again, if you want to join the School of Podcasting, it is, I swear, one

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of the best communities. I'm in a lot of different communities. I really

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love our community. You can go out to

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next week, take care. God bless in class is

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dismissed. And if you're in the us, enjoy your

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Thanksgiving. And if you're not, enjoy your Thursday.

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If you like the show, please share it with a friend.

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If you like the show, pretty, pretty please share it with a friend right

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now. If this was twice

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a week, I would have burned out years ago for me.

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And this is again where that P word comes in. It is know What? It's

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not the P word. It's the D word. Wow. I am really tired today.

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It's. Depends. Not.

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Yeah. Because the P word. Wow. That could mean a whole lot of

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things. Penguins. Yeah. Anyway.

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Wow. So it's fun for me.

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And this is what I always say. Don't pick a schedule

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and then try to fit it into your life.

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You want to pick a. I'm saying that backwards. I'm.

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Wow. What? This is what you get when you're not.

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I'm using bullet points today, but not as much as I used to. Let's do

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this part over, because I'm lost in the woods.

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Yeah.