Janice Porter: Earl, hello and welcome to relationships rule.
My special guest this week is Earl, the voice Thomas, and I'm
pretty excited to hear a lot of his history and his expertise,
because he's been around for a while. And I'm going to start
first of all by welcoming you, Earl. Welcome to the show.
Earl Thomas: Thank you, Janice. I'm really glad to be here.
Janice Porter: It's my pleasure, and I gotta start with Earl,
Thomas, the voice. So talk to me about that. How did you get that
moniker, and, and, and where did that come from?
Earl Thomas: I was in the self employment program at Douglas
College.
Janice Porter: Oh, my God, I took that. Oh, did you Yes?
Yeah, long time ago,
Earl Thomas: and we had to have certain things, like we needed a
business license, so we got that a business card. And that's
where Earl Thomas the voice came from, and creating vocal
paradise for your exact needs. And it was, it was a really good
program, and I really enjoyed it. Actually, there was a
volunteer I had to go before a small board. And it turned out
that person became a friend later because he's, he's in my
Toastmasters program, Darren fruit and and he remembered that
before I remembered it. Oh, yeah.
Janice Porter: Well, when did you so when did you start doing
voiceover stuff? Because that's obviously the connection the
voice being that you have a fantastic voice, and you've been
in radio, and you've done a lot of voiceovers, and that world
itself fascinates me, so I'm wondering how that started for
you.
Earl Thomas: Well, it was when I came back from Penticton. I was
in radio, because I've been in the BCIT Broadcast
Communications Program in radio, and I took this course called
VoiceOver and animation from Kathy Wessel, luck. Okay, it had
an option, an option to go out and get consultations, so I
would do that. And of course, when we first met, you know,
this is your homework. You don't come back until you do your
homework diligently. And then she got me ready. She got this
was all in preparation so I could take direction and be
ready to go into the studio, to Coco studios and do my demo. And
since then, I've actually done demos right on here on my
MacBook Pro, from work that I've done before. So I love doing
voiceover. It's very competitive, of course, yeah,
Janice Porter: I once took a little, sort of one day or two
day program about voiceovers and and what I would I did it for
was because I wanted to, I love to read aloud, and I love to
read interesting books or children's books even more
allowed. I was a teacher in my first life, and I always loved
reading aloud to the kids, and I thought that that would be fun
to do. But again, as you said, it's very competitive, and it's
also a whole thing unto itself. I would have had to spend a lot
of time just focused on that, and I didn't have the time to do
that, but it was something I always wished I'd done. What was
your favorite thing for in voiceovers to do?
Earl Thomas: Well, I thought it was narration, but I found that
when I got a hot cell, which from BCIT, a hot cell is like,
there's a lot of energy, and I find those were were more fun to
do. You know, when you ramp up the the energy, yeah, of course.
And I've, I've learned since, really, what is the going thing
now is, is not the hot cell. You're talking one to one to
another person you got, you got to bring it down. You know, just
as I'm talking to you, this is the best product I've ever used,
you know, Janice, you just gotta have
Janice Porter: it. Ah, okay, so the enthusiasm is there, but,
yeah, but
Earl Thomas: bring it down.
Janice Porter: So is there money to be made in voiceovers?
Earl Thomas: Well, I have, but the when you first start, there
are ones that on Facebook, there was a guy in Carolina, and I did
Joe Leone's bakery, and that was free, just to get me started.
Now, years later, I did, you know when the pandemics was on a
voiceover for him, and it was paid because we we kept John
figueroato, we kept connecting through LinkedIn. So yes, but I
like them now. I like the money. I'd rather have the money now,
Janice Porter: yeah, of course. But you know, there's so many
different types of of voiceover jobs, like there's the. The
promos, the the public service announcements, the sports
announcing, the business messages and and the narration
and so on. I wonder if you've ever done this. I was a trainer
for many years, and for the telephone company, and one of
the things we trained on in my department was we would go to
big customers, and we would set them up with their new this is
back in the day. We would set them up with their new voice
mail system, and we'd have to set up the voice recording for
the automated answer, the automated attendant. You know,
Hi. Thanks for calling ABC Company. You know. Please press
one for this. Press two for that. And I was training in one
of the companies, and I think it was a law firm or a big
accounting firm, and the girls that I was training were the
front office people, and they said, Oh, I can't do that. Will
you do the voice for me? Will you do the voice? Will you do
the recording? And I said, Sure, I'll do it for you. Well, five
years later, I called the company, and my voice was still
on the on the recording, because nobody had changed it. And I
think that's hysterical. But did you ever do any of those, the
the voice recordings for that? Yes,
Earl Thomas: I had a client out in Coquitlam that I did for it.
Did the recordings Now, press this or press that? Yeah, yeah,
Janice Porter: that's hysterical, but to still be
there after all that time. Now you, I know have, I think you're
passionate about and correct me if I'm wrong, but doing work
around mental health,
Earl Thomas: yes, yes, because I've experienced depression, and
I took a course called stand up for mental health. SMH, and, you
know, I've done live, because it was part of the course, the
graduation of the six months. Was it? Yuck, yucks Comedy Club.
That
Janice Porter: was the graduation your comedy piece.
Oh, my goodness, I did watch that. Actually do
Earl Thomas: a debut, but that that's not there, that's that
was at a coffee shop. Oh, okay, in Burnaby, but the place is
full. The lights are bright. We can hardly see them out there.
And I still have them because, you know, we had a videographer,
and it's on my my website, and I can go back anytime and be an
alumni. And actually was an alumni for a year, and actually
got paid for a couple places that we did well. Thank
Janice Porter: you for sharing that you, because I think
depression is one of those things, and that is probably
more prevalent than we think in society, especially today and
and if people let it go on, undiagnosed or unnoticed, in
that sense, it can be very detrimental and even deadly,
right? So do you feel now, like I know that was a while ago, you
you're on an even keel, and you're good. And,
Earl Thomas: yes, what I did is I was taking counseling at New
West High School. Was the grad program for the, you know, the
outing, UBC. And I realized it only runs from a certain time,
let me say March, October to March, and I knew to do
something more, and I read this book by Dr Caroline leaf, and it
was talking about a 21 day brain detox program. So I took that
and I wrote my own positive, healthy thoughts, and I use them
today, because depression can sometimes rear its ugly head,
absolutely mine. Mine is particular situational
depression. So I've, you know, I've remember, I've written
them, I've memorized them. I don't say them every day, all of
them, but there's certain ones that I I focus on, and I'm, I'm
grateful for that. Yes, so
Janice Porter: you, you've, you worked on yourself, and you were
able to to pull yourself out of it as well with the course that
you took. It sounds as though you're a very curious person,
because you're always taking courses. What are you curious
about today?
Earl Thomas: Well, that's why I love interviewing, because you
don't know where it's going to go, and what I love about it,
too. I do an interview, and it's different being on the other
side here. Yes, I'm I'm parking in my back of my brain. There
secondary questions, because they're going to say something,
and we want to clarify it some more. There's some something
more there. So, yeah, I'd say I am a curious person. Why is this
happening now? Why? Why?
Janice Porter: And what are you most curious about?
Earl Thomas: This is happening good right now, but this is
Janice Porter: okay. So, so what are you most curious about
today?
Earl Thomas: What am I most curious about today? Where my
business is going to go. Hey, I'm having a really good year.
It started really good. It slowed down, and I'm getting
close. So the last three months is really important. I'm taking
this mentorship program called momentum, momentum membership,
membership program, and I've gotten good results because
there's a lot of accountability that comes from those in the
program and the coach, Marshall Stern, he's been very helpful to
me. Actually, he connected you and I didn't. He did.
Janice Porter: He's a dear friend, yes, yeah, well, that's
good, that it's working for you and propelling you for that last
quarter, which is always the for me, that last quarter of the
year is also it's like the beginning, because, having had
kids, I've always thought of September as the beginning of,
you know of something. So I get it, it's a good time to dig in
and make things happen. And I know that you love interviewing
people as well, and where do you find your your guests for your
podcast? Well,
Earl Thomas: a friend of mine told me about this website, and
she said, there's a free part to it, and so you can go on there.
Earl, thank God for Sheila. Well, you know, I never have had
to go on there because, like, I was invited, I mean,
Toastmasters, and a friend of mine invited me to the Mad 25
year anniversary. It was in Central Park. It was a really
good feed. There was a lot of speakers, and he spoke. And
while he's speaking, I'm thinking, Wait a minute, Bob
would make a really great interview. I got him, and I
needed him again, because I played it a second time and a
third time when the young boys in in their 30s in New Jersey
were killed by a drunk driver. Uh, their Matthew coro. And so I
replayed him, you know, because it's essential don't drink and
Janice Porter: drive. Yeah, yeah. That was very sad, very
sad.
Are you a hockey fan? Oh, yes, I am.
I thought you might be. Yeah, I'm not, but that's okay. I
we're a sports family, so I can't help is, if it's not
hockey, it's football or baseball or basketball that's
on, so I kind of get it through osmosis. So so I know, because
I've been interviewed by you, that you do do your homework on
your podcast, and you like to have your questions and your
opportunity for secondary questions laid out for for your
guests, which is great. I like to go by the seat of my pants. I
don't know what I'm going to say. I do pay attention to your
LinkedIn profile. I look at your website and maybe listen to
something that you have done as well. But I have to go with my
gut, and I remember one of the things we talked about before
off air was we had alluded to that stand up comedy piece that
that you were just talking about, and I didn't realize that
the one was sort of your graduation from, from this
course, but I do you still ever have because I know you felt
that stand up comedy didn't turn out the way you wanted it to.
You didn't really it wasn't for you. Do you ever regret that? Or
was it? I wouldn't
Earl Thomas: say it wasn't for me. It was for me at the time,
but there's so many things going on. I still stay connected with
you. Okay? And I could pick it up again anytime. I have a
comedy file. And I moved from Wilson Avenue over here to
Sussex. And, you know, I, I keep my things where, so I can find
them and everything. Yeah, a comedy file. I don't I, you
know, I've got to, one day, go down to my the lower reaches of
this, this place, and go p3 and look in my locker, and because,
because it's there, you know,
Janice Porter: well, actually, I find when you say that, that's
fascinating to me, because, you know, all the great comedians
have these boulders or files about their jokes, and I never
think about, you know, I was Listening to a couple of
comedians talking about that, probably, on a talk show, and
how they can develop a joke to go this way or that way or the
other. And I, you know, I never think about that, but it's a
whole thing, right? It's definitely a whole
Earl Thomas: skill. Yes, it's the setup and then the
punchline. Yeah, yeah. And the interesting thing about when I
did it was in both places. I got to the setup on one joke, and
then I said, Oh, it's coming because I'd forgotten the punch
line, and it did come in both places, so I was relieved that
it was there.
Janice Porter: Oh, that's too funny. Troy, yeah, that's crazy.
Earl Thomas: I mean, it was loud in Yuck, yucks.
Janice Porter: That's great. That's absolutely great. Okay,
so what you're working mostly right now on your podcast,
right?
Earl Thomas: Yes, doing podcasting, as you know, there's
lots of detail and tons of detail. Well, you
Janice Porter: do it all yourself. That makes it even
more so I don't, I must admit, do the back, you know, the back
end myself, because I'm not interested in doing that. But
you must, must be, because you do it all yourself. Yeah,
Earl Thomas: well, I enjoy the whole process because I've
created the process that works, that works for me. And, yeah,
Janice Porter: can you think of somebody that you want to
interview that you haven't been able to get to yet.
Earl Thomas: Well, yes, okay, I have a friend of mine who is in
a baseball discussion group saw Lindsay Barra, who is the Yogi
berras relative, yep, granddaughter of Yogi Berra.
Yes, he helped me, because he said, Well, send me an email. So
I sent an email, then I got a response back from the president
of that local group. And I expected that she would have had
an agent. She didn't have an agent. I was able to send her a
direct email, and I'm waiting now and I'll do a follow up, but
you gotta know that when she says yes, because I'm almost
certain she will, because I responded to something that she
put on Twitter, she liked it, and the President liked it, a
Yogi Berra museum. And, you know, I'm going to be excited,
and I already do really great prep, but I'm going to really be
close. Yeah, I'm going to this is going to be the best thing
and, and probably the hardest thing about voiceover, about
doing a PA announcing for the Grand View sealers, is that just
before you open up the mic. But then once you get going, this
woman is really intelligent. She knows about baseball injuries.
She knows about Yogi's history. Oh, talking baseball with
Lindsay Barrow will be such an awesome experience.
Janice Porter: Oh, okay, so you're so did you announce for
baseball? Then, is that what you said? You just what was the name
of the team?
Earl Thomas: Oh, he, he played for the New York King. No, no,
Janice Porter: no. Excuse me. I know that. Don't. Don't, please.
I know who Yogi Berra is. You said you were an announcer.
Earl Thomas: Oh, yes, the grand. I was a PA announcer for the
Grand View Steelers. And they're baseball team. No, they're a
hockey team in the junior B League. Okay, so, okay.
Janice Porter: So then we got confused. Okay, so I got
confused. So, so you're also a baseball fan, though, yes, I am
happy, and you were a New York Yankees fan. Yes, I was my
husband's a lifelong New York Yankees fan. And of course, I
know who Yogi Berra is, and what I love the most about Yogi Berra
were his, his? What are they called? His? Yogi isms. Yogi
isms, right? There you go. And no one goes to that restaurant
anymore. It's too crowded. That's one of them. I remember
that. And okay, so I'm going to just temper things a little bit,
because you haven't actually talked to Lindsay Bera yet.
You're trying to get you've sent her emails and whatever, and she
responded correct or no, no, she
Earl Thomas: hasn't responded. She responded to my like of her
her post, because there's a book, of course,
Janice Porter: is she on LinkedIn? Yes, she is on
LinkedIn. Have you tried to connect with her on LinkedIn?
Earl Thomas: Well, I I'm not sure if I've sent a connection
request. I think I'm waiting for her because I got a direct email
to her, which surprised me, that I would get a direct email. I
thought, yeah, but the
Janice Porter: problem about that is it could get lost in her
junk mail.
Earl Thomas: Well, that's why I'm going to follow up. Yeah, I
will be up again.
Janice Porter: But following up how? Because if you follow up by
email, it's still going to go in your junk mail. So that's why I
sometimes recommend that you also try to get to her from
LinkedIn, because that won't get lost,
Earl Thomas: yeah, well, I will send a LinkedIn connection. And
we also, you know, I often respond when she puts, you know,
something out there on Twitter, and she responds to that,
Janice Porter: okay, that's cool. So that's where she hangs
out, is it Twitter? So, so that's someone you really want
to interview. And you said something about you thought
she'd have an agent. What does she do?
Earl Thomas: Well, she has, she's a sports journalist. She's
Janice Porter: working, yes, okay, cool. She's
Earl Thomas: worked for ESPN, okay, demo reel that she's done,
you know, several, there's several clips in there. She has
a very interesting. A intro right on her website. So, you
know, once, once we get going, that's what I would use. And,
yeah, she's there anyone very intelligent, very intelligent,
Janice Porter: that's awesome. So is there anyone else that you
want to interview your bucket list?
Earl Thomas: Well, I that's, that's my main one. Okay,
because, go ahead, there is someone that it's been approved
by BCIT, but he got really busy. I mean, it had to go through the
marketing department, and they approved it. And now I'm got to
follow up him some more, because, like he said, he's
really busy. And I, all I had to do is look at the timestamp. It
was 2:49am when he sent that email. So I gotta get back the
head of business in in BCIT Business Media, School of
Business and media.
Janice Porter: Okay. Okay, interesting. Well, the first one
more? Well, maybe both. In both cases, I see that you know it,
it seems as though you've gone through who you know, and that's
always the best way. So I love that, because it's all about
relationship building and relationship nurturing, and it's
not what you know, it's who you know. So if you go through
people you know, sometimes it's easier to get, to get to the
person you want to get to. And so I hope that those work out
for you. That's That's great. That's really great. Thank you.
Yeah, I, I'm trying to think when there's a guy that I want
to talk to, but I want to finish his book first. I haven't
finished it yet, and and I, I found him because somebody I had
on my podcast was talking about his book, and so I I'm reading
that book, and now I'm going to go back to my the person who was
on my podcast that knows him, and see if I can get an
introduction. Because I always think that's the best way,
better to be introduced by somebody than to go in cold,
right? Yeah, yeah.
Earl Thomas: So that happened with Lindsay, because Ben knew
he was part of saber and then the President got back to me,
yeah.
Janice Porter: So that's great. That's really great. Um, what
would you say? I know that one of, one of the things that I
think you're doing now is teaching through your podcast
when you do and correct me if I'm wrong, when you do solo
episodes that you're teaching people about how to do
voiceovers and things. Is that correct?
Earl Thomas: Yes, I've done different topical episodes, like
how I record and how I use my system. I wrote about success,
and it's interesting. Writing a solo episode, you start with it,
you don't what, what is there? Okay? And then once you start
writing, there's more and there's more and there's more.
So I'm I enjoy the writing part of it. Do
Janice Porter: you? Yeah, not me. I just rather talk. I just
rather talk. So what do you find? What is can you think of
someone that that, and you don't have to say who they are, but
that that you felt was your most exciting or most enjoyable or
interesting interview that you've done?
Earl Thomas: Oh, Linda Todd, because she almost died in Gaza.
She came to speak at just pros when we were at the Justice
Institute, and that was another case of, this is really good.
And I had to turn it into a two parter. Oh, wow. I like the
writing of that. You know, when I, when I do the prep. Will she
live, you know, like the second part? Will she speak again? Oh,
just, just those little hooks, or those big hooks? Yes. Belinda
Todd was really interesting. You know, the the funny thing about
it was, she was going through terrible things, almost dying.
But this woman had such a great sense of humor the way she told
the story. I mean, yeah,
Janice Porter: listen to that one.
Earl Thomas: I really enjoyed talking to her.
Janice Porter: Oh, that's great. I'll have to listen to that
episode. That's amazing. Um, okay, so what advice would you
give someone who's starting a podcast today?
Earl Thomas: Well, you've got to be prepared. I took a course
from Carl Richards. I got connected to Carl Richards in
Ontario, and I he said, you know, you're you're ready to
start. There's some tweaks you need to do, but you've got the
you've got the microphone, you've got the Mac, you've got
the voice to be focused and get all those things that you need
to do, like the artwork. I did several. I did one on ones with
Carl on Canva. And now it just happens really quickly, you
know, I can, I can. Get that artwork, the picture that goes,
you gotta be focused and have a strategy. And I did not really
think that we would get to a season four. And it's quite
amazing. I had more topicals in my first season, and then it's,
it's increased. The interviews have increased to about 60% by
season four,
Janice Porter: just in numbers. You mean, yes, okay, yeah, okay,
and your podcast is called Voice power, correct? That's right.
And it's on all of the
Earl Thomas: Yeah. It's on all the directories, yeah, okay,
Janice Porter: awesome. And I love your email address. You
take me back to the day Duke Earl, yeah,
Earl Thomas: that was when I was in BCIT and art, art factoro,
he's the program director at 650 and we got to know each other.
He gave me the nickname Dookie. Hey, do
Janice Porter: girl, right? Yeah. So wait, I forgot what I
was going to say. I was going to ask you a question. Oh, I know,
because you were in radio for a long time. What would you say?
What do you say about the way radio is now? I mean, it's so
different than it used to be, right?
Earl Thomas: Well, radio has fallen behind because
podcasting, there's more people listening to it. You know this
voice tracking. You know you want to be taught hearing a real
person. You know, radio will always exist. They always have
said, Oh, radio is going to fall away. It's not going to be
there. No, it's, it will always be there. But it's changed,
right? It has changed a lot, yeah, because am radio is more
talk, yes, is, is the music? Yeah.
Janice Porter: Um, I'm just trying to think though, yeah,
it's either talk or it's news, solid news, right? Yeah,
Earl Thomas: you got your news stations? Yes. Um,
Janice Porter: they just had, what here in Vancouver, the what
was it? The 75th anniversary of CK and W
Earl Thomas: That's right, yeah. And,
Janice Porter: I mean, that's a station that's got a huge
history, and it started a lot of people in in radio, and I have
some, yeah, I still listen to it occasionally. So when I'm in the
car, if I'm not listening to a podcast, because I listen to
podcasts all the time in the car, what's your favorite
podcast? Do you listen to a lot of them.
Earl Thomas: Well, I like Brad Shawna. His coaches call it's
about lacrosse, and he interviews all the coaches. He's
interviewed all the coaches in the National Lacrosse League. I
listened to the one last night. He interviewed Walt Christians,
and he I was finding out how he's helped lacrosse in England.
You know, it was quite a, quite a change. I mean, it's, it's got
more. There's more to it now. I mean, there's more people
getting involved. And Walt Christiansen had some really
interesting, funny stories of how he got started with the
Victoria Shamrock. So, oh, there's another one I want to
interview. I want to interview Brad shawnner,
Janice Porter: ah, okay, okay, so you could reach out to him
through his podcast. No doubt,
Earl Thomas: yes, yeah, I know. Fellow
Janice Porter: podcaster, right? Fellow podcaster. Um, so, so you
now you're hockey fan, you're a baseball fan and you're a
lacrosse fan. Lacrosse is the biggest. Is it? Because you
light up when you talk about sports, I can see that lacrosse
is the biggest. Oh, that's interesting. I have a friend who
has two daughter, two granddaughters, who play
lacrosse, box lacrosse and field lacrosse. So and it's such a
it's kind of a minor sport compared to to some of the but
it's still very big here. And is it bigger in Eastern Canada or
Western Canada,
Earl Thomas: eastern and western Canada, it's big, but in
Alberta, it's really grown because they actually had a
Minto Cup where there was an Alberta team, and he's Brad, has
interviewed, you know, Alberta coaches, a number Alberta coach,
Janice Porter: yeah, Can you see yourself morphing to being a
sports podcast. Would that be something you want to do?
Earl Thomas: I like the diversity I have. I'd like to
bring in some more sports. Yeah. I mean, because when I had art
on from 6:50am yeah, he's talking about the Canucks and
the Sedins and those interesting things, yeah, so I don't see it
myself going sports, strictly,
Janice Porter: strictly sports. Yeah, yeah, people who have
stories, um, it makes me think that some of the sports writers,
or that not the sports Well, the sports writers, the sports
reporters that are around might, might be, um. Fun to interview,
because they've got stories from, you know, like, the guys
that are still on the air, you know, like that, but aren't as
like, I think Blake price and I think Dan Murphy and those guys.
They're young enough they still want the exposure, but they've
done a fair bit over time, right? Yeah, yeah. So I don't
know all fun and all interesting, and if I can help
you, by the way, in any of those areas, let me know, because it's
always who you know, right? So you know, not what you know.
Well, thank
Earl Thomas: you. I would like to do that. Yeah,
Janice Porter: that's fun. So I'm just checking if I missed
something, anything here, because I think you did. It says
here 112 projects with diversity. So you just mean the
diversity of what you've done, from voiceovers to stand up
comedy to your mental health work, infomercials, training
workshops, telephone prompts, all of these different things
that you've done.
Earl Thomas: They're all different. Yes, they
Janice Porter: are totally all different. And going forward,
this podcast is just getting more and more interesting, right
for you? And yeah, yeah. So I like to ask my guests one of a
couple of questions, and I'm going to ask you, do you prefer
getting your information through reading, through watching or
through listening? Oh, all three. All three. Okay,
Earl Thomas: because, because you can get more in the second
one or the third one. I'm always looking at, you know, there's
LinkedIn, okay. And is there any information on Facebook? And
where else can I find more information? Well, there's the
website, their website. Yeah, it's all good to have the have
as much content as possible, although you're not going to use
all of it?
Janice Porter: No, of course, no, but it helps you learn about
the person so but when you're not working, what do you love to
do?
Earl Thomas: When I'm not working, what do I love to do?
Sports? Probably sports events. I love to dance. And it's come
back, because I've had a couple of pulled muscles, and a friend
of mine let me know about Zumba gold, and I've been going on
Thursdays at the Edmonds Community Center, and it's a
full hour when I first started going, I thought, Oh, how am I
going to get through this hour? Well, sometimes it hurt too
much, and I had to sit down for a song, but I've been going very
consistently, and then I get a free hot tub, and then also I
can swim a few links. And now I'm, I'm up to last time I
actually did 10 links. Yeah, I was, I love,
Janice Porter: I love Zumba, but my knees won't let me do it.
Well,
Earl Thomas: it's a slower, it's, it's for injuries. Zumba
gold is for injuries. There's a higher based one, but I always
do Zumba gold, yeah.
Janice Porter: Oh, good for you. That's great. Alright, so one
last question. Do you have a piece of business advice that
you'd like to share with my audience? Yes,
Earl Thomas: the most important thing is, you know, you're going
to have good days, you're going to have bad days, but the most
important thing is, don't give up. I mean, you feel it, you
know, there's many times I've wanted to give up but, but I
realize I don't want to lose doing this. I enjoy it. You
know, I'm interacting with people. I'm doing some media.
It's it's great. I really know that it's important don't give
up, no matter what. That's
Janice Porter: great advice. Thank you so much, Earl, and
thank you for being such a great guest on my show. And I think
there's a lot of nuggets there that my audience will appreciate
hearing. I love that your sports a sports fan extraordinaire as
well, because I can talk about that all the time, and this, I
really appreciate that. Yeah. Thank you to my audience for
being here as well. And if you like what you heard, please
reach out and do check out Earl's podcast voice power and
let him know that you enjoyed it as well. We love to hear to see
reviews, and remember to stay connected and be remembered.
You.