>> Mitch Harris: This is Mitch Harris, and you're listening to
Speaker:Chasing Birdies.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: We are in the full swing here in February on
Speaker:Chasing Birdies. And you guys that just tuned in
Speaker:today, we are appreciative of you joining us here
Speaker:on this episode today. Pep. It's good to see you,
Speaker:buddy. It really is.
Speaker:>> RB: It's great to see you, my man. I am so happy to be
Speaker:here with you.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Hanging your face hanging, as always. A little bit
Speaker:of sarcasm, but it's always good, though.
Speaker:>> RB: Well, I will tell you, we started the NFL season
Speaker:losing, and we ended the NFL season losing, so we
Speaker:sure.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Did, you know, nothing like finishing what you
Speaker:start.
Speaker:>> RB: Exactly.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: And that's one positive to look at it, you know,
Speaker:it wasn't pretty. It really wasn't pretty. In
Speaker:fact, I could tell you the whole year on Saturdays
Speaker:wasn't pretty. For me, it doesn't matter what was.
Speaker:>> RB: Let's just put it this way. The year was not
Speaker:pretty.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: No, it was. It was not. Uh, and that was a. Let's
Speaker:get into that super bowl talk. You know, you guys
Speaker:probably watched the Super Bowl a couple of days
Speaker:ago. You probably tuned into the halftime show and
Speaker:probably liked it. And, uh, the outcome of the
Speaker:game was. I don't know. It wasn't a surprise, was
Speaker:it? It wasn't a surprise.
Speaker:>> RB: I mean, the score.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Surprise.
Speaker:>> RB: Leading into Saturday, I. That had Seattle in my
Speaker:head. My son Parker told me Seattle. And then I
Speaker:started having a little doubt Saturday. Then I
Speaker:confirmed my doubt with you on Sunday, and, uh,
Speaker:our doubts were confirmed. So we, um, went New
Speaker:England and, uh.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Good.
Speaker:>> RB: Not good.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: But I'm happy for Seattle.
Speaker:>> RB: Drake May just looked. I'll tell you what, that
Speaker:Campbell, that offensive lineman was awful.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: No, he was not good.
Speaker:>> RB: He was not existent him all day long.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: And I don't think. I mean, Drake May really didn't
Speaker:have a great playoff run anyways. But I, uh, I
Speaker:definitely probably should just bet Seattle money
Speaker:line. I thought Seattle's gonna win. I didn't
Speaker:think they were gonna win by more than. Than four
Speaker:points. I thought it was gonna be a closer game.
Speaker:So I like the points in that regard, but I'm happy
Speaker:for all the Seattle backers, man. I'm happy for my
Speaker:boy, Golden Tate, man. He's probably stoked right
Speaker:now. He definitely is stoked right now.
Speaker:>> RB: Yeah.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Um, for getting. Getting the dub at his old. His
Speaker:old team, so. But it was just not a good super
Speaker:bowl, man. It just wasn't.
Speaker:>> RB: It was just the first half was. What was it? Nine
Speaker:nothing.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Nine nothing. I mean, BCATs had a prop bet. First
Speaker:touchdown score. I mean, it was alive until the
Speaker:fourth quarter, boys. And then the first touchdown
Speaker:was not his guy, so he lost.
Speaker:>> RB: That was me, too. I took, um, Cooper cup, first
Speaker:touchdown. And then I took, um, oh, shoot, the
Speaker:running back, um, Henderson, Kenneth Walker
Speaker:Henderson, Trayvon Henderson, um, and they were
Speaker:both alive until about the fourth quarter, boys.
Speaker:So, yeah, those, uh, didn't win. And then I took
Speaker:Cooper cup to score a touchdown, and that didn't
Speaker:win. And then, um, the Patriots didn't win.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: And.
Speaker:>> RB: And then the coin flip didn't win. And then, uh,
Speaker:only bet I hit was JSN. Under 6 and a half
Speaker:catches.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Yeah, I don't mess with the prop bets.
Speaker:>> RB: It was just fun. I mean, it's just a little fun to
Speaker:watch.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Did you get in on the coin flip?
Speaker:>> RB: Well, when Bcat said tails, I should have said I
Speaker:should have went the opposite way based on his 2
Speaker:cents. All year long, anytime he texted us, we
Speaker:lost.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: So, yeah, you know, um, now what, uh, what. What
Speaker:were your thoughts on the halftime show?
Speaker:>> RB: I didn't watch it.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Did you watch the other one?
Speaker:>> RB: And it was not. There was no political. No
Speaker:nothing. I just did not watch it. I left the house
Speaker:to go to our building to salt the driveway, which
Speaker:is.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Which is valid.
Speaker:>> RB: I did not watch it. I came back and I. I saw. I'll
Speaker:tell you this much, I saw a lot more people like
Speaker:it than hate it. Um, but I. I mean, if I knew
Speaker:Spanish, that probably would have helped as well.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: So, yeah, I mean, I. I didn't turn it off. I let
Speaker:it roll. You know, I had all my TVs fired up. I
Speaker:let it roll. And, um, you know, I think people
Speaker:were tuning into the other halftime show as well
Speaker:on their phones, but I let it roll. And mainly
Speaker:because I don't want to mess with having to change
Speaker:my TVs and all that jazz with it. But the
Speaker:production was great. I mean, honest to God, the
Speaker:production was really cool. I mean, the way they
Speaker:did it, and I try to understand everyone's
Speaker:perspective where they're coming from, man. And,
Speaker:um, the coolest thing about that halftime show was
Speaker:when he was running with the flags, and the first
Speaker:flag he ran with was the American flag, and. And
Speaker:he said, God bless America. And that's all I
Speaker:needed to hear. I mean, I. I didn't. I didn't
Speaker:know.
Speaker:>> RB: Did you know he said that, or are you just reading
Speaker:reports?
Speaker:>> Jonathan: No, he said that. He said that. He said he said it
Speaker:in English. I was able to hear that. That's the
Speaker:only thing I was able to understand for the. The
Speaker:whole duration of the damn halftime show. But,
Speaker:yeah, um, really cool production on it. But, you
Speaker:know, I think it's really about the NFL, man,
Speaker:trying to encompass all.
Speaker:>> RB: Well, yeah.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Countries now with the game, you know?
Speaker:>> RB: Yeah, it's. It's. It's a global. Huge right now. I
Speaker:mean, their games and their games in England and
Speaker:Ireland. Um, so you can't hate that. Hate them for
Speaker:trying to capture another sector audience.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Right, right, right.
Speaker:>> RB: Yeah.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: But, man, there are some people, especially those
Speaker:on the far right, man, they just like, oh, it's.
Speaker:It's a test. It's so bad. And it's like, I mean, I
Speaker:get it, but that far, you just got to let it go,
Speaker:dude. It's just entertainment. At the end of the
Speaker:day, it doesn't have to be political. You don't
Speaker:got to tie it in to be political.
Speaker:>> RB: Um, yeah, not everything is political, and I'm,
Speaker:uh. I'm over that. So. Yeah, the PGA Tour
Speaker:finished. Um, I saw Ken Tackett was. Was the
Speaker:referee and the shootout in the shootout and the
Speaker:playoff back in.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: The mix from West Virginia, man.
Speaker:>> RB: Hideki hit a little pull hook the first time on
Speaker:18. Then the playoff. A police officer dropped his
Speaker:chair in his backswing. Did you see him stop that
Speaker:swing?
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Yeah, I did. I did.
Speaker:>> RB: That hurts your wrist, bud. That really hurts your
Speaker:wrist when you do that. And then he proceeded to
Speaker:hit another pool hook, so.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: God. Or I've got it done. I'm.
Speaker:>> RB: I'm glad he made it so there was no questions
Speaker:like, oh, uh, like he made.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Yeah, that, um, it was fun to watch the Waste
Speaker:Management just because of the. The festivities
Speaker:that go on with it and. But also mainly because of
Speaker:the fact that seeing the sun like that on TV
Speaker:really helps with your. What we call seasonal
Speaker:depression.
Speaker:>> RB: Yeah, it's great.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: So nothing was better than that for the weekend.
Speaker:Watching Waste Management, seeing the hearing the
Speaker:boy Jim Nance back on the mics. And, uh, I tell
Speaker:you who else was in the sunshine this weekend
Speaker:playing top 20 it down in Columbia. Mason
Speaker:Williams, man. Top 20 playing well, man. So big
Speaker:shout out to Mace Dub, um, for getting it done. I
Speaker:know Steve Piering's trying to get him to wear
Speaker:some Ida Ka Mason. Politely denied, rejected. But,
Speaker:um, we'll see. Steve's gonna keep working on it.
Speaker:We're gonna see what happens with that. But, um,
Speaker:yeah, so that's. That's what's cracking in the
Speaker:talk to Childers last week. And, uh, we discussed
Speaker:the new titleist drivers, which, you know, more
Speaker:than likely I'm gonna. Gonna move into that. Well,
Speaker:my mind's busted anyways. But did you see that
Speaker:Koepka is using one of the old tailor made.
Speaker:>> RB: Yeah.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Like M3s or M4s, whatever.
Speaker:>> RB: Yeah. And he's using Nike 2 iron.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Yeah. What's that say? What is it? Is this
Speaker:comfortability or just.
Speaker:>> RB: I think it's a lot of it's to do with the numbers
Speaker:and him being comfortable. I mean, why change if
Speaker:it doesn't need to be changed?
Speaker:>> Jonathan: And that's the other controversial topic between
Speaker:these golfers right now is. Is this whole jazz of
Speaker:this, these guys coming back, man. But, but I
Speaker:mean, you know what? I just think the PGA Tour is
Speaker:in a great spot. And to have more guys playing
Speaker:like him, it does kind of suck for those that
Speaker:didn't take the 200 million. Uh, I mean, that
Speaker:sucks, but that would really kind of be sucky.
Speaker:>> RB: Yeah.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Could you imagine?
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Yeah.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: You didn't want to go to live because you didn't
Speaker:want to leave the PGA Tour because you loved it so
Speaker:much. And then these guys got the freaking money
Speaker:and they, you know, whatever, man. You gotta hang.
Speaker:>> RB: Exactly. To each his own.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: So our guest today on Chasing Birdies, Mitch
Speaker:Harris. You know, Pep, you're like, we gotta get
Speaker:Mitch on the podcast and yada, yada, yada. And I'm
Speaker:like, I didn't. And I started researching this guy
Speaker:and I'm like, damn. Like, you know, Navy Academy,
Speaker:first professional baseball player to play in the
Speaker:MLB since 1921. Didn't even. They didn't even know
Speaker:how to, like, bridge the gap between his serving
Speaker:duties and how he's gonna play in the, in the big
Speaker:leagues.
Speaker:>> RB: Yeah, that's, uh, pretty wild. My man was chasing
Speaker:birdies and he didn't even know it.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: What's one thing that you took away from this
Speaker:interview? What's one thing that you like about
Speaker:Mitch?
Speaker:>> RB: I think that, that I really like is how humble he
Speaker:is and how much he appreciates his upbringing and
Speaker:what he went through to get to that point. It's
Speaker:almost like each level was, was an achievement,
Speaker:obviously for him. But I mean, it's not like, you
Speaker:know, if I was drafted and I had to sit in the
Speaker:military for four years, I'd be going nuts. Right.
Speaker:Like, oh, my God, my dream. And it's just. He just
Speaker:chipped away at it. You know, him throwing on the
Speaker:flight deck is a really cool story.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Yeah.
Speaker:>> RB: Um, he never gave up, so to speak. So I, I
Speaker:appreciate that about Mitch.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Yeah, no, it was. It was a remarkable story,
Speaker:hearing him chat and seeing his story kind of
Speaker:unfold. And now giving talks, speeches on podcast.
Speaker:Wrote a book, which I'll probably end up having to
Speaker:get a copy of that, but I don't know, man. I just
Speaker:think now is a good time to just kind of pivot
Speaker:into that. Into that segment of the show. What do
Speaker:you say?
Speaker:>> RB: Let's roll it over to Mitch Harris right now on
Speaker:Chase and Birdie's podcast.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: There we go. All right, you guys tuning in today
Speaker:here on Chasing Birdies, we got a really special
Speaker:guest in, Mitch Harris joining us here on the
Speaker:show, a former Navy lieutenant and major league
Speaker:pitcher and just touching all kind of lives across
Speaker:the world with his motivational speaking. So I'm
Speaker:excited to hear what you got to say today, Mitch.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Yeah, man. Thanks for having me on Bash. Good to
Speaker:see you guys. What's up? Yeah.
Speaker:>> RB: What's going on? Yeah, it's good to see you. I
Speaker:haven't seen you since, um, Sage Valley.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Was that October? Yeah, it's been a minute.
Speaker:>> RB: It was about two years.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: I think we need to tell people. We need to. At
Speaker:least twice a year.
Speaker:>> RB: Uh, I feel like Chris Collins. If we just make
Speaker:that phone call, he'll be like, yeah, sure, come
Speaker:on over.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Yeah, why don't you come?
Speaker:>> RB: Yeah, yeah. So I noticed that you're from Ocala,
Speaker:Florida.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Ocala, baby.
Speaker:>> RB: So I. We used to play at a college golf tournament
Speaker:at, um, El Diablo.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: No, gala El Diablo. You got some. You got some OGs
Speaker:over there.
Speaker:>> RB: I have two funny stories from El Diablo.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: That sounds like a taco.
Speaker:>> RB: Yeah. Um, I was using the restroom in the
Speaker:clubhouse, and some guy kept knocking on the door,
Speaker:and I was going number two. And that's tough. He
Speaker:kept knocking and kept knocking. He was being
Speaker:impatient with me. And so, you know what I said?
Speaker:Screw it. I left it in the toilet. And then the
Speaker:second one was we had, um, our. At that time,
Speaker:senior Sean Warren. We would go. We would always
Speaker:rent cottages there on some, like, lake or
Speaker:something. Um, and we were drinking. I think I was
Speaker:19, he was obviously 20 or 21. And our coach went
Speaker:to check the cottages, and there's booze all in
Speaker:the freezer. Like, shocking. So he comes up and
Speaker:he's like, boys, I need to talk to you. He's like,
Speaker:who the hell's drinking? And Sean being. He was an
Speaker:unbelievable golfer, but he was the captain. He
Speaker:said, sorry, coach, I was all mine. And he was
Speaker:like, all right, Sean, don't Let it happen again.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: What a leader.
Speaker:>> RB: He was like, see, boys? That was easy.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: I love it.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Yeah, Pep's got a lot of stories in his arsenal
Speaker:of, like, having to shit on a golf course. I mean,
Speaker:this is the second one that comes to mind. I mean,
Speaker:Mid Pines, number 15, him shitting in the middle
Speaker:of the fairway, wiping his ass with the golf tail,
Speaker:running back to hit the shot. And then naturally,
Speaker:now this whole situation where he doesn't even
Speaker:flush. That's good.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Yeah. I've only had a few of those. The worst,
Speaker:those when you get to, like, the runs and there's
Speaker:not, like, uh. You don't see the shed for, like,
Speaker:three holes. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker:>> RB: Yeah, that.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: That's been the worst. And when the golf carts
Speaker:have a governor and you got. You got nothing you
Speaker:can do, you.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Know, you can't do anything.
Speaker:>> RB: You're stuck. You got to back up for 25 yards.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Do you ever. Yeah, I'm sure you work out in some
Speaker:way, but, um, I don't know if you run at all. Do
Speaker:you ever run?
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: I am 260 pounds at 6 foot 4. This body ain't built
Speaker:for running, brother.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Well, yeah. Okay. So you.
Speaker:>> RB: Yeah, you're.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: You're quite tall. Running.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Yeah.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Uh, has that same effect on you. And there's
Speaker:actually something about it called, like, runner's
Speaker:diarrhea. And you just kind of rolling through,
Speaker:and next thing you know, your stomach gets hit
Speaker:with it and you gotta. You can't do anything. You
Speaker:gotta stop.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: No. Yeah. No. You know what gets me is, like,
Speaker:matter of fact, TMI M happened this morning. Went
Speaker:to the gym. That pre workout.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Oh, yeah.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: You know, I try to knock it out about 20, 15
Speaker:minutes before I hit the gym. Just in case. No,
Speaker:it's. It's, it's every time. You know, as soon as
Speaker:I step foot in the gym, of course, to your point,
Speaker:Jonathan, there's only one toilet. And so you walk
Speaker:in and, like, every guy is, like, waiting on you,
Speaker:and you're like, hey, what's up? Good morning.
Speaker:Sorry about it, you know. Good to see you. Uh,
Speaker:that gets me every time I go to the gym.
Speaker:>> RB: Well, the worst, too, is when you're flying and
Speaker:you. You're like, oh, man, I got a board in, like,
Speaker:five minutes, and I gotta. I gotta go. And you
Speaker:walk in, and it never fails. Every stall is taken.
Speaker:Any other time I come in here and just use the
Speaker:urinal. It's all.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: They're all wide open. No one's there. No one's
Speaker:there.
Speaker:>> RB: So that was fun.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Eight hour flight. Just. Just curious. Asking for
Speaker:a friend that may have a flight to Dubai. Yeah.
Speaker:>> RB: I go, no, I can't.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: I don't fit in the. I don't fit in the. In the
Speaker:bathrooms on plane.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Oh, uh, yeah, man.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: It ain't happening.
Speaker:>> RB: It looks like a monkey banging a football probably
Speaker:in there.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Oh, it's pretty bad. It's bad. Like, I. I
Speaker:physically can't get back there, if you know what
Speaker:I'm saying? Not happening.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: I don't know. I definitely fit. I can tell you
Speaker:that. I fit comfortably, but I don't worry you,
Speaker:buddy. I don't. I. I definitely don't think I've
Speaker:ever had to take a dump on the airplane. This is
Speaker:gross.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Oh, I've had to. I just. I just postponed that
Speaker:thing as much as possible.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: But how could you postpone it?
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Valid point. You know, I think. I think I'm more
Speaker:nervous about what could happen in the bathroom.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Yeah.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Than. Than me. Just Absolutely. That you asked
Speaker:about running. That's when I run. I run when I get
Speaker:off the airplane as fast as I can to the bathroom.
Speaker:>> RB: I. I can't.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: So you guys met. Um, I'm casually changing the
Speaker:topic here because I feel like me talking like
Speaker:this. I'm gonna have to go to the bathroom. Yeah.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: How much long we got? I'm just.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: You. You guys. You and Pep met down at Sage
Speaker:Valley, I take it.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Uh, yes.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: What I understand. And m. Have. Did you know Neil
Speaker:before that, or did you meet Neil down there too?
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: So I played against Neil, um, while he was in
Speaker:Pittsburgh and I was in St. Louis. Didn't like
Speaker:facing him. He obviously, he's pretty good. Um,
Speaker:but yeah, me and Neil played against each other.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Okay, that's cool. So you had some history.
Speaker:>> RB: Well, it's crazy because, uh, Rick Ankiel was
Speaker:there too. Ex Cardinal teacher. And Neil. I didn't
Speaker:know who Rick was like. And Neil was like, dude,
Speaker:that's Rick Ankiel. Like, okay. He's like, no.
Speaker:Like, you don't know his story? And I'm like, no.
Speaker:So he tells me his story, and he's like. He's
Speaker:like, now this is a scaled down basis. But he's
Speaker:like, Shohei Otani before Ohtani came into the
Speaker:league. He's like, this guy was drafted number
Speaker:one. He was the pitcher everybody wanted, and he
Speaker:got the yips. And he took two years off or a year
Speaker:off from baseball and bulked up and became a pure
Speaker:hitter. Um, and you look at Rick because we Rode
Speaker:in the cab back to the airport together. I'm like,
Speaker:yeah, dude, he's pretty mass, like, he's pretty
Speaker:built.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: So full transparency. That dude can still rake. He
Speaker:goes, we got a Cardinal, uh, fantasy camp, which
Speaker:is like a camp where former players come back,
Speaker:fans can come play and whatnot. That dude still
Speaker:hits absolute tanks. Now granted, it's off of 55
Speaker:year olds throwing 60 miles an hour. But maybe
Speaker:even more impressive because he has to put all the
Speaker:power behind it and it's still impressive to
Speaker:watch.
Speaker:>> RB: Well, that's what they say, that it's actually
Speaker:harder for these guys to hit slower pitches than
Speaker:it is faster pitches.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Yeah, yeah. So you gotta, you gotta produce all
Speaker:that power.
Speaker:>> RB: Naval Academy, what was that experience like for
Speaker:you? Did you, when you went to the, the Navy, were
Speaker:you being recruited by a bunch of different other
Speaker:schools or was Navy like, that's where I want to
Speaker:go?
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Yeah. So definitely, first of all, I didn't know
Speaker:what naval academy was, so there's your answer.
Speaker:But, um, I was in high school. I was your typical
Speaker:solid athlete. You know, I think my coach
Speaker:described it kind of well. He's like, dude, he's
Speaker:kind of running the mill. He's going to be good
Speaker:wherever you put him, but he's not going to just
Speaker:stand out in any particular area. So long story
Speaker:short, my senior year, um, our football team was
Speaker:really good. We ended up winning state that, uh,
Speaker:year. And, um, there was a guy that came down to
Speaker:recruit at football practice. The head baseball
Speaker:coach was the assistant football coach. So this
Speaker:guy comes over to the foot to the baseball field
Speaker:to get the head baseball coach who was the
Speaker:assistant football coach and walk over to football
Speaker:practice. Well, when he came to the baseball
Speaker:field, this scrawny little kid was throwing a
Speaker:bullpen and he's like, hey, who's this kid? You
Speaker:know, they start talking, kind of says all the
Speaker:things like, hey, good kid, good grades. You know,
Speaker:wherever you put him, he's going to be able to
Speaker:play. And this was the, uh, defensive coordinator
Speaker:for the Navy football team. He made a phone call
Speaker:to, uh, the baseball coaches and said, hey, I got
Speaker:a kid here that, you know, y', all, y' all
Speaker:probably need to just at least take a look at. Two
Speaker:weeks later, I went on a visit. I loved it. And
Speaker:then, uh, the first time they ever seen me play
Speaker:was when I was a freshman in like, you know, the
Speaker:spring before games started. That was the first
Speaker:time the coaches ever saw me play. But back then,
Speaker:you know, we didn't have, you Know, we didn't have
Speaker:perfect game or PBR, that stuff. They just had to
Speaker:go word of mouth. And, you know, I played in state
Speaker:games and American Legion and all the stuff. And
Speaker:so they just called around and asked coaches like,
Speaker:hey, is this kid any good? And they were just kind
Speaker:of same deal. Yeah. You know, play first, third
Speaker:pitch, do all the stuff. He's not going to stand
Speaker:on any particular area, but he'll be solid
Speaker:wherever you put him. And then, you know, things
Speaker:blossom while I was there.
Speaker:>> RB: So when you commit to the Naval Academy, do they
Speaker:basically tell you, hey, you're going to be
Speaker:enlisted, or how does that whole thing work?
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Yeah, so when you go to the academy, you have to
Speaker:give four years. It's a normal college in that
Speaker:it's four years of academics. And when you
Speaker:graduate, you have to give five years of active
Speaker:duty and you come out as an officer. And so, um,
Speaker:not only do you take normal academics, like, you
Speaker:know, normal classes, your, you know, chemistry,
Speaker:English, you know, all the stuff, um, but you also
Speaker:have to take military classes on top of that. And
Speaker:so I laugh because, you know, talking to buddies
Speaker:and whatnot of how, you know, interesting college
Speaker:is the first couple of years and getting used to
Speaker:studying and going to class and all the stuff.
Speaker:And, you know, buddy's like, man, I'm having to
Speaker:take like 15, 16, uh, you know, um, credits, and
Speaker:things are getting, you know, tough having to play
Speaker:baseball. My first year I had 24 credits and
Speaker:played baseball in the spring. And so it was like,
Speaker:there was a lot of adjustments because, you know,
Speaker:in high school, you know, I was fortunate in high
Speaker:school. As long as I paid attention and, you know,
Speaker:did the homework, I got it. Yeah, I tried that
Speaker:first year so that the academy didn't go so hot.
Speaker:So I had to, like, learn how to study, um, as well
Speaker:as figure out time management with everything
Speaker:else, because you obviously got military
Speaker:commitments, you got academic commitments, you got
Speaker:baseball commitments, all this stuff. But, uh,
Speaker:man, it was challenging, but I wouldn't have
Speaker:changed it for the world. Man, it was awesome.
Speaker:Funny saying of, like, terrible place to be. Great
Speaker:place to be from when you.
Speaker:>> RB: Go to the Naval Academy and, like, you go to
Speaker:class, you know, I went to Marshall University,
Speaker:played golf there and. And I wore sweatpants boys
Speaker:to class. So, like, at the Naval Academy, did. Did
Speaker:you have to wear your uniform? Like, what was
Speaker:that?
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Every day.
Speaker:>> RB: Every day.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Every day you wore uniform. And it wasn't like, m,
Speaker:I'm just going to throw this on. It was like you
Speaker:had to Use. Every day you had a. You mustered up,
Speaker:meaning you. You. You up in formation in the
Speaker:morning, everybody goes down to eat breakfast
Speaker:together. I mean, all 4,000 of you eat breakfast,
Speaker:lunch, and dinner together.
Speaker:>> RB: Wow.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Um, every day. So you'd form up information in the
Speaker:morning, they'd make sure everybody's up,
Speaker:everybody's ready to go. You get breakfast, head
Speaker:to class, come back, eat lunch, go back to class
Speaker:in the afternoon. Everybody does their afternoon
Speaker:intramural sports stuff. It's required that you do
Speaker:some type of activities, uh, in the afternoons,
Speaker:um, if that's your sports or, uh, intramurals,
Speaker:whatever that might be. And then everybody comes
Speaker:back, um, at dinner time, uh, and eats. Eats
Speaker:together, uh, all family style in King Hall. Uh,
Speaker:really cool sight to see, but, uh, yeah, man,
Speaker:it's. It's a very regimented, uh, uh, ordeal. And,
Speaker:uh, every day you wear a uniform, and there you're
Speaker:expected to kind of, you know, look the part.
Speaker:>> RB: So many life lessons, though, for you. I mean,
Speaker:even if you didn't play baseball, that's so
Speaker:valuable to your future. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: I mean, there was a ton of. I mean, your freshman
Speaker:year, you know, you're called a plebe for a
Speaker:reason. Uh, you're given a number. Mine was, uh,
Speaker:082850. Uh, and I'll never forget it because, you
Speaker:know, you were a number your freshman year. You're
Speaker:not a person. You're a number. You're a plebe. You
Speaker:got to earn your way through, uh, into the
Speaker:academy, essentially.
Speaker:>> RB: So would they approach you with 02885?
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: They just call you Harris, and then they would
Speaker:just tell you to hit a bulkhead. What that meant
Speaker:was you. You literally walk over to the wall,
Speaker:pound your fist on the wall. You would say your
Speaker:number, you know, and then turn around, and then
Speaker:you just stand at attention against the wall.
Speaker:That's. That's kind of how you. You mustered up in
Speaker:the morning as.
Speaker:>> RB: A. Sprinkling in with my son.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: You know, I think it works. Um, you know, here we
Speaker:try to do that, and I make them chop in the
Speaker:hallway. I'm just kidding.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: They want to know what to do now. Man, these kids.
Speaker:Um, no, I. I had a buddy, a really good friend in
Speaker:high school, and. And we still keep in touch. Um,
Speaker:and he was kind of a little bit of a knucklehead
Speaker:in high school, but he was smart, and he was very
Speaker:good at baseball, and he played at vmi. Yeah. And
Speaker:I remember when he first went there, he explained
Speaker:to me the, uh, the requirements and the discipline
Speaker:that was needed in order to comply with
Speaker:everything. I mean, he had a shave every day.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Yep.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: And wear the uniforms. And, uh, he had a good
Speaker:baseball career. He got drafted by. By the A's,
Speaker:and then kind of played around in their minor
Speaker:systems, what have you, and then fizzled out and
Speaker:now is very successful in Scottsdale. But, you
Speaker:know, it's kind of funny to see how that cook
Speaker:shape of his life with all that discipline and how
Speaker:that carried over, as Pep said, into, uh, in the
Speaker:real world.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Yeah. I mean, there's. There's. There's small
Speaker:things. Like, every day you had to make your bed,
Speaker:you know, and it wasn't just like, hey, your bed's
Speaker:made. It was like, hey, you got 12 inches of sheet
Speaker:showing. You had 6 inches of turn down. And then
Speaker:the COVID sheet had these, like, pinstripe type,
Speaker:uh, in the, uh, in the. In the fabric. And those
Speaker:had to be straight on the bed. Like, the corner
Speaker:had to have a line on it. And so they would come
Speaker:in and measure that. They'd come in, quite
Speaker:frankly, during your pleb year, and they would
Speaker:just tear it out. Now you need to redo it. M. They
Speaker:would come in and do inspections with a white
Speaker:glove, take it over your window seal. Um, by the
Speaker:way, that's impossible not to get some dirt on a
Speaker:white glove on a window seal, even though you knew
Speaker:it was coming. But they would do that. They had a
Speaker:fun thing that they would say is, oh, a tornado
Speaker:hit your room. And they literally would take stuff
Speaker:off your bed, your shelves, and just throw it in
Speaker:the floor and be like, you probably need to clean
Speaker:your room so it's a mess. So you'd have to go back
Speaker:and do that. Um, they have belay races of, uh, how
Speaker:quickly you could change clothes from your PT
Speaker:Clothes to your uniform. It was a constant just,
Speaker:uh, mind game. They could go do rack races where
Speaker:it was basically, hey, take your rack, meaning
Speaker:your sheets, put them all in your pillowcase. You
Speaker:come out, hit a bulkhead, and then you stand out
Speaker:with your sheets just with your arms straight out.
Speaker:And I don't know if you've done that, uh, uh,
Speaker:ever, but I've done.
Speaker:>> RB: It with the beer.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Yeah. Well, hold it out there for 30 seconds, and
Speaker:it gets pretty heavy. You do that with some
Speaker:pillowcases. It sucks. And then they said, okay,
Speaker:well, how you go back and make yours, you got five
Speaker:minutes. So it was just constant mind games that
Speaker:they just want to put you through. Uh, of just
Speaker:kind of. They want to see who was mentally tough.
Speaker:Um, but it was attention to detail stuff that you
Speaker:think about later. Like, for instance, we had to
Speaker:have, um, a little water bottle or canteen that we
Speaker:kept on the back of our. Our little belt. And, um,
Speaker:if it was loose, every now and then they come
Speaker:around and check and kind of tap on it. Well, if.
Speaker:If they hit it off and it went and hit the floor,
Speaker:it just was a thing that you did is. Is you would
Speaker:yell grenade, and everybody would just go and jump
Speaker:on. It was kind of a funny thing that we did. But
Speaker:looking back on, I realized, like, that wasn't
Speaker:joking. That was actually legit preparing for what
Speaker:we could potentially see down the road. And you
Speaker:think about some of these guys that. Friends of
Speaker:mine that I know who've done some really
Speaker:incredible things, um, you wonder if some of
Speaker:that's just instinctive to the way that they came
Speaker:through, not only their upbringing and life, but
Speaker:through things they did at the academy. Just kind
Speaker:of second nature, um, to, you know, look out for
Speaker:your classmates, your teammates.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Yeah, that's. That's incredible, man. And. And
Speaker:hats off to you, man. Thank you for. I. I don't
Speaker:know in what capacity you served, but obviously
Speaker:being through that and representing our country
Speaker:and going through the Naval Academy and putting
Speaker:yourself on the line, man. You know, I think it
Speaker:goes without saying to express that gratitude.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: I appreciate it. You know, I tell people all the
Speaker:time, it's like, I was fortunate that I didn't
Speaker:see, you know, any combat. You know, I drove ships
Speaker:for a living, so to speak, and, uh, um, you know,
Speaker:taxied around Marines and, you know, on four
Speaker:deployments in three years, got to see the world
Speaker:30 countries before I was 26, um, and got to see a
Speaker:lot of things. But it was. It was the leadership
Speaker:things that I saw that impacted me and that I got
Speaker:to do. It was the men that I got to lead, um, that
Speaker:impacted me. Um, you know, and again, there's
Speaker:times where I wish I could have seen that and been
Speaker:able to participate in some of the, quote,
Speaker:unquote, tougher things that some of my buddies
Speaker:have been able to do. Because you kind of have
Speaker:that, um, I don't want to say guilt, but you have
Speaker:that. Like, I want to say that I was part of that,
Speaker:too, because, you know, you hear some of your
Speaker:buddies that, quite frankly, are still struggling
Speaker:from the things that they went through and they
Speaker:suffered through, and you want to be able to
Speaker:relate to kind of help, um, but you can't unless
Speaker:you've been there and done it. And so you have
Speaker:that feeling sometimes of, man, I wish I could
Speaker:have been there with you or been a part of it just
Speaker:to kind of help say that I know what you're going
Speaker:through. Um, but at the end of the day, we all had
Speaker:our roles. We all had our reasons for what we were
Speaker:doing. And so each one of those was vitally
Speaker:important. Um, but my heart goes out to the guys
Speaker:who really had to go through some really difficult
Speaker:things and see some things that none of us really
Speaker:want to see. Um, and those are the guys that are
Speaker:my heroes and the guys that I look up to that come
Speaker:back and just get right back to the real world.
Speaker:Quite frankly, I don't know how they do it.
Speaker:>> RB: It's wild.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: It is.
Speaker:>> RB: You and, uh, David Robinson were the two athletes
Speaker:that. You tell me how it's properly worded. But,
Speaker:um, you got drafted to delay it, I guess, would
Speaker:you say?
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Yeah, so, um, deployment, basically. Yeah, so. So
Speaker:I got drafted my junior year by the Braves, which
Speaker:kind of helped because it. It put us on the map to
Speaker:kind of start a conversation of, all right, you
Speaker:know, navy, Department of Defense, what do we do
Speaker:here? Um, because there hadn't been anything that
Speaker:had happened in a while. So, um, come senior year,
Speaker:when the Cardinals drafted me, um, they said, hey,
Speaker:we're going to put you on our military reserve
Speaker:list so that we own your rights, and then just let
Speaker:us know what you kind of figure out. And so at the
Speaker:time, they had what they call an early release
Speaker:policy, uh, for the Navy, in that you could do two
Speaker:years of active duty and then extend your reserve
Speaker:time. So instead of doing five years of active
Speaker:duty, you would do two years of active duty and
Speaker:then maybe five years of reserve time, which is
Speaker:typically, like, throughout the year, you have to,
Speaker:you know, do some service, do some commitment and
Speaker:whatnot. Well, during all that, in 2008, 2009, uh,
Speaker:we were right in the middle of a war. And so the
Speaker:Navy and Department of Defense basically said,
Speaker:hey, we're going to put pause on this and not let
Speaker:people out, particularly the Navy said that, um,
Speaker:the Department of Defense kind of said, hey, each
Speaker:department kind of do their own thing. And, um, so
Speaker:I would send in. I would send in, um, uh,
Speaker:paperwork to apply for that early release. Um, and
Speaker:I talk about that in the book, but there's three
Speaker:or four times that I did that, um, unfortunately
Speaker:got denied each time. And so I ended up doing all
Speaker:five years, four years, eight months, eight days.
Speaker:But who was counting? And then called The
Speaker:Cardinals, uh, showed up to spring training and
Speaker:uh, had uh, to laugh and grunt through 82, 83, uh,
Speaker:to finally get back to what muscle, uh, memory,
Speaker:um, was in there. And uh, fortunately enough, you
Speaker:know, two years later was able to get to the big
Speaker:leagues.
Speaker:>> RB: So was there ever a time mentally, during that
Speaker:time that you get drafted? The Navy says basically
Speaker:we're putting a halt on that. Was there a time
Speaker:mentally you're like, man, my dream is just, it's
Speaker:gone. Or were you so focused on the Naval Academy
Speaker:that it, it didn't even phase you?
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Yeah, I mean, so while I was at the academy, you
Speaker:know, I think it was tough because it was so
Speaker:uncertain as to like, I don't know, but I just got
Speaker:to focus on graduating, you know, just, just get
Speaker:through to the academy. We'll figure it out after.
Speaker:Once I got into the Navy, then it was, you know, I
Speaker:think initially I had this hope because I knew
Speaker:what the process was and so I was like, all right,
Speaker:well if I just do the process, you know, here's
Speaker:what I, uh, here's what I'll be able to do. I
Speaker:think that made it harder because that process
Speaker:wasn't successful. Um, and so it took longer to
Speaker:get to play baseball than I would have liked. But
Speaker:um, it made me who I am. You know, it allowed me
Speaker:to develop into the leader I am, the officer that
Speaker:I became. Um, and what was really neat was I
Speaker:always talk to our guys. My first ship I was the
Speaker:weapons officer. Um, my second ship I was the uh,
Speaker:training officer. So anybody that was in my
Speaker:division, I always talk to them about what's their
Speaker:plan, meaning, hey, if you're in the military,
Speaker:you're there for a couple reasons. One, it was
Speaker:kind of your last ditch. You've either gotten in
Speaker:some trouble and you're going to have to go do
Speaker:something, uh, to kind of get out of the situation
Speaker:you were in. Uh, you're looking for higher
Speaker:education, you're just looking to have a military
Speaker:career. Um, but I wanted to know what those guys
Speaker:plans were because I wanted to help, you know, as
Speaker:their leader. I felt like, hey, if I'm going to,
Speaker:going to be their division officer or whatever, I
Speaker:want to help those guys get to whatever they're
Speaker:trying to achieve. And I'll never forget it. Uh,
Speaker:one of the guys, uh, um, my um, first ship, after
Speaker:I was a weapons officer, I became the combat
Speaker:information center officer. That's the guy that in
Speaker:the movies it's the dark room that has the lit up
Speaker:screens and all that stuff is that. And one of the
Speaker:guys, it probably two, three o' clock in the
Speaker:morning. We have all kinds of, uh, you can only
Speaker:imagine the types of conversations we have at that
Speaker:time. But, um, he flipped it on me and he said,
Speaker:you know, Mr. H, what's your plan? And I was like,
Speaker:good, uh, question. I don't know, you know, and it
Speaker:was really cool to kind of see, like, all right,
Speaker:I've been pushing these guys to have a plan for
Speaker:whatever they're wanting to achieve. And man, he
Speaker:flipped it on me and was like, hey, we know your
Speaker:story. We know that you play baseball. What's your
Speaker:plan? And uh, from that moment on, uh, my guys
Speaker:were my motivation. The people I served were my
Speaker:motivation. And we threw on the flight deck. I
Speaker:found out that there was a cook on board who, uh,
Speaker:was from Dominican. And so, uh, I went and talked
Speaker:to him. I was like, hey, uh, you know, if my dad
Speaker:sends out some baseballs, would you, you know, can
Speaker:you throw like you want? Would you want to go
Speaker:throw on the flight deck? And he's like, come, I'm
Speaker:from Dominican. And I was like, okay, valid point.
Speaker:Yep. Uh, so we're good. So we go out there on the
Speaker:flight deck in between flight ops. But that's what
Speaker:changed it for me, was like, all right, if I'm
Speaker:going to push these guys, I'm going to go where
Speaker:I'm speaking, uh, into them. I'm going to do what
Speaker:I say, uh, that they need to do and have a plan
Speaker:and shoot for this goal and uh, special.
Speaker:>> RB: So then the St. Louis Cardinals come calling.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Well, actually I called them because with the fact
Speaker:that we were five years in and still had no plan,
Speaker:uh, as to how this was going to work, um, I had
Speaker:done my five years of service, um, essentially,
Speaker:uh, my last, uh, package that I sent to the Navy
Speaker:to say, look, I'm 27 years old, I've done four
Speaker:years, eight months. I need to go to spring
Speaker:training. At minimum, I'm getting out in, uh, the
Speaker:early summer of 13. If I could get down to spring
Speaker:training now, um, that would be huge. I mean
Speaker:there's not many 27 year old rookies in the big
Speaker:leagues. So, um, they allowed me to get out of
Speaker:the, of my commitment about three months early.
Speaker:Um, and so in January of 2013, I moved everything
Speaker:I had, Virginia beach down to Florida. Um, you
Speaker:know, obviously the Cardinals are there in
Speaker:Jupiter. Buddy of my family lived in Boca. I moved
Speaker:into their house. They were super kind and allowed
Speaker:me to have A room at their house. And I would
Speaker:drive up to Jupiter, uh, every day, which is about
Speaker:a 45 minute drive workout, throw, do all the
Speaker:stuff, drive back to their house and repeat every
Speaker:day, um, during that spring training just to, just
Speaker:to try to get back into, you know, that, that, you
Speaker:know, shape that I was in. And the Cardinals put
Speaker:me through everything. I mean we went through long
Speaker:toss programs, we went through yoga programs, hot
Speaker:yoga. We did everything you could think of to try
Speaker:to figure out how to get that muscle memory back.
Speaker:And man, we were just fortunate that, you know,
Speaker:the first year they sent me to short, uh, season
Speaker:and typically that's your high school college
Speaker:guys. Um, the manager was, was Ollie Marmo, who is
Speaker:the, the manager still to this day at the big
Speaker:league club. He was my first manager. He was 26, I
Speaker:was 27.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Wow.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Our, uh, first round draft pick, Carson Kelly, had
Speaker:just turned 18. So it was, it was an 18 year old
Speaker:and then the manager's office who's 26 and then my
Speaker:locker who's 27. So we had an interesting year the
Speaker:first year, but we had a blast. Um, you know, and
Speaker:just trying to get my feet back on me, trying to
Speaker:figure out how do you, how do you pitch? Having
Speaker:not thrown competitively in five years. And um, I
Speaker:told myself, just learn baseball, have fun again.
Speaker:And so I had to relearn how to pitch at 88, 89,
Speaker:um, end up having a good year. Um, and then
Speaker:fortunately over the next year or so, moved up
Speaker:pretty quick in 2014. Started, um, out in high A,
Speaker:moved to double A about halfway through the
Speaker:season. Unbeknownst to me, I, uh, knew this after
Speaker:the fact because they told me about halfway
Speaker:through the season in 14, they sent me to AA
Speaker:essentially to release me. And um, I get up there
Speaker:and the, uh, pitching coach was Randy Neiman,
Speaker:former pitcher for the Mets. And we were out
Speaker:throwing a bullpen and uh, man, things clicked.
Speaker:Uh, everything just was flowing, everything felt
Speaker:good. Balls coming out easy. It was one of those
Speaker:bullpens where I didn't say anything, he didn't
Speaker:say anything. Catcher didn't say anything. It was
Speaker:just, everything was just right there. And um, you
Speaker:know, and we get done and he goes in and tells the
Speaker:skipper, hey, you got to get him in the game
Speaker:tonight. And uh, the rest is history. Ended up
Speaker:throwing a really good second, uh, half of the
Speaker:year. By the end of that season, guys, uh, getting
Speaker:called up from AAA in September, I went and filled
Speaker:the spots in AAA. So by 2014, I finished the
Speaker:season in AAA and then went to big league spring
Speaker:training in 15. And the rest is. Rest is history.
Speaker:>> RB: So is. Was Ankyo on your team then?
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: I wish. No, he was before me. I, um, would love to
Speaker:have seen that live. Um, but no, I just missed
Speaker:him.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Did. Has anyone ever brought up the fact that your
Speaker:name rhymes with pitch?
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Yeah, a couple of times.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Uh, that's pretty cool. So you got this book, My
Speaker:Private War, and I'm not trying to sway away from
Speaker:your career in the M. MLB's, but I think this all
Speaker:ties it together a little bit. But through your
Speaker:career in baseball and what you went through in
Speaker:the Navy, what was the driving factor between you
Speaker:coming up with this title of the book, My Private
Speaker:War? Relentlessly, relentlessly chasing a dream.
Speaker:Um, what kind of was the motivation behind that?
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: The motivation is. And was the fact that we're now
Speaker:living in a world where we see only the
Speaker:positiveness, only the, um. I hate to say fake,
Speaker:but the fakeness of what is social media. And I
Speaker:think too often people live through what. What
Speaker:they see, either in person, online, and they just
Speaker:feel like, man, if I just had it, like that
Speaker:person, or man, if I could just do this, or, man,
Speaker:if I could just do that. And so for me, it was a
Speaker:punch in the gut to realize, like, because I was
Speaker:kind of living that too. Like, man, I've got this
Speaker:going for me and this. And. But I was so broken
Speaker:and, um, just beat up inside. And man, uh, truly,
Speaker:I just felt like God was kind of saying, like,
Speaker:man, you got a cool story. You could really use it
Speaker:to impact people. Um, and, you know, the longer
Speaker:story is, you know, some people asked about doing
Speaker:film, and I wanted to tell the story from my
Speaker:perspective. And so I told, um, you know, the
Speaker:literary attorney that I was working with that I
Speaker:wanted to find a writer that understood that my
Speaker:goal here was to make an impact on a life. Uh, as
Speaker:long as I impacted one life, the book's worth it.
Speaker:And so I wanted to tell people that, quite
Speaker:frankly, life's not fair and life isn't easy, but
Speaker:if you set your own goals and you strive to
Speaker:achieve the things you want to achieve, you can do
Speaker:anything you want. And I think I'll never forget I
Speaker:met with a guy one time, kind of counseling me
Speaker:through some things that I had gone through. And
Speaker:he just simply laid it out there. He's like,
Speaker:Mitch, I think your whole life people have said to
Speaker:you that things are impossible. But you as well as
Speaker:I know that that's just not true. The definition
Speaker:of impossible means it can't be done, and you've
Speaker:proven them wrong over and over and over again. I
Speaker:think it's cool that you can speak to the fact
Speaker:that things aren't necessarily impossible, but
Speaker:they might be improbable. And if people could
Speaker:understand the massive difference in those two
Speaker:things, man, the things that people could achieve
Speaker:are endless. Because I think too many times we
Speaker:allow others to set our bars for us as opposed to
Speaker:saying, you know what? You don't know what I have
Speaker:inside of me. You don't know what I've gone
Speaker:through, and I can overcome this, and I have more
Speaker:strength than you're allowing me to have. Um, and
Speaker:so I think that's my challenge in the book is
Speaker:like, man, I messed up. I did a lot of things I
Speaker:wish I didn't do. Um, I don't like to say that I
Speaker:have regrets because, again, those things I
Speaker:learned from, and it made me who I am. Um, and I
Speaker:think that's the thing that I wanted people to get
Speaker:out of the books. Like, man, he got to get through
Speaker:this. He had to get through this rut, man, the
Speaker:things he was able to achieve. Post that. Um, if
Speaker:he can do that, then I can do xyz, right? I can
Speaker:do. You fill in the blank. And so for me, that's
Speaker:what it's about, man. If someone picks up the book
Speaker:and they're inspired to go achieve things that
Speaker:they maybe set up that they thought they couldn't
Speaker:achieve, that's what it's all about for me.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: That's powerful. And that's certainly the world
Speaker:we're in right now with that, with social media,
Speaker:because people do. I mean, it happened. Look at
Speaker:the depression rates for the teens and suicide
Speaker:rates, all that jazz. I mean, it's terrible. But
Speaker:that book called the Gap in the Gain, it's a
Speaker:really powerful little book. And what it talks
Speaker:about is you individually measuring your success,
Speaker:where you are now from where you started. Measure
Speaker:it backwards, because everyone's always looking
Speaker:ahead at someone else and saying, like you just
Speaker:said, if I had that, blah, blah, blah. But when
Speaker:you start framing it under the perspective of
Speaker:where am I now? And where did I start? And that
Speaker:really speaks volumes as to how you can kind of
Speaker:wrap your head around this whole world now,
Speaker:essentially, and keeping you afloat.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Yeah. I mean, and I think the. The thing for me,
Speaker:too, is like, uh. And I steal this from John
Speaker:Maxwell. He spoke to us. Training one year is. Is.
Speaker:It's. It's one of those Things where, like,
Speaker:success is great, don't get me wrong, but success
Speaker:is a me thing and an impact and, and, uh, uh,
Speaker:achieving things and motivating other. Other
Speaker:people is a we thing. And so I always try to
Speaker:challenge people. Like, man, like, having success
Speaker:is great, don't get me wrong. But if you, if you
Speaker:have success and it's just for you, what have you
Speaker:done? Like, what's the purpose? Right? I think
Speaker:about it all the time when I talk to people who
Speaker:are, you know, struggling through something. I
Speaker:can't do this, I can't do that. I'm trying to
Speaker:achieve this. And I always go back to like, what's
Speaker:the why? What's in your gut? What are you trying
Speaker:to do? And my thing is always trying to challenge
Speaker:people. Like, man, if you're trying to do that,
Speaker:figure out how it's going to make an impact. If
Speaker:it's going to impact you and your family, great.
Speaker:That's a we thing, right? If it's going to impact
Speaker:you and your friends, great. That's a we thing. If
Speaker:you're impacting other people, great. That's a we
Speaker:thing. But if it's just about, man, if I can
Speaker:achieve this and get my name on that, that's a me
Speaker:thing. What does that do when you're gone?
Speaker:Somebody's going to forget you at some point. But
Speaker:if you make a lasting impact on other people,
Speaker:that's when you've left a legacy.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: That's exactly right. I mean, and that's when you
Speaker:have or, uh, you're involved in the team
Speaker:component. You can't have that bit of selfishness,
Speaker:you know, and as a leader specifically, you gotta
Speaker:be able to kind of hit home on that we and build
Speaker:everyone up and really see how you can make
Speaker:everyone achieve better results collectively as
Speaker:opposed to just what's in it for yourself? Um, my
Speaker:real estate company.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Yeah. I mean, it's. Don't get me wrong, it's
Speaker:tough. I mean, when you're. Especially as a
Speaker:pitcher, I mean, it's you out there staying on the
Speaker:mound, you know, and all you think about is like,
Speaker:all right, what. What do I need to do here? And it
Speaker:is A. It's 100, uh, uh, a me thing in that moment.
Speaker:But at the end of the day, like, I gotta do a job,
Speaker:right? And so I'm thankful that I was able to come
Speaker:back as a reliever because you. You feel that even
Speaker:more, you know, because you're coming in after the
Speaker:starter, you're coming in to help out the
Speaker:situation. For the overall team. So for me, it was
Speaker:really cool to kind of see that second
Speaker:perspective. I got to the big leagues as a
Speaker:reliever to see like, okay, I got to come in and
Speaker:just do my job, um, for the betterment of the
Speaker:team, you know? Um, so, yeah, it's a mindset.
Speaker:Change that, man. It definitely hit me while I was
Speaker:in the military to really get an understanding and
Speaker:a over that.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Yeah, that's awesome. So you kind of taken your
Speaker:career and your experience in the navy and have
Speaker:used it to try and help other people, which is the
Speaker:bottom line, is what I'm gathering.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Yeah, I mean, and my thing is like, this isn't
Speaker:what I set out to do. I mean, full transparency.
Speaker:It, uh, wasn't like five, six years ago. I'm like,
Speaker:I'm going to do this and then I'm going to go
Speaker:speak, you know, like, that was not. It was by far
Speaker:the last thing that I was like thinking. Right.
Speaker:But I think what happened was. And hopefully when
Speaker:people get into the book, they see like, there was
Speaker:a lot of things that, uh, I didn't want to have
Speaker:happen, you know, but like, what I realized is
Speaker:because of what had happened and I didn't use the
Speaker:people around me like I probably could have and
Speaker:should have to kind of help get me out of some of
Speaker:those situations, it made me want to realize like,
Speaker:man, I wish that feeling or that that time in my
Speaker:life on anybody. And we all go through crap. You
Speaker:know what I mean? We all go through life. Life is
Speaker:hard sometimes. So my thing was, man, if I can
Speaker:just help that one person that's going through
Speaker:just a small little rut, right? It could be
Speaker:something as simple as, like, man, we're just. Me
Speaker:and my wife are just on the same page and, you
Speaker:know, it's just a little friction. We're just
Speaker:trying to get through it, right? 2 Man, I've
Speaker:really messed up. I've got some life changing
Speaker:things that I'm going through and I don't see how
Speaker:I'm going to get out of. Doesn't matter what
Speaker:you're facing. It's a matter of just like, hey,
Speaker:from a perspective of, okay, how can I utilize
Speaker:this? Get through it and use it to better me.
Speaker:That's what I want to try to help people. Like,
Speaker:man, we're all going to mess up. We're all going
Speaker:to go through some stuff, but at the end of the
Speaker:day, use it for good. Don't let it bring you down
Speaker:and just sulk in the moment. Use it for something
Speaker:that's going to help you, lift you up and help
Speaker:other people.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Yep, that is perfect. I love that.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Yeah, I was talking to someone yesterday, he's
Speaker:like, again, military thing of like, you know, if
Speaker:you're gonna go, if you're gonna go fight. And
Speaker:this guy walks in, his uniform is just perfect. I
Speaker:mean it's just like to the tee, shiny, just. I
Speaker:mean everything looks just brand new. I mean,
Speaker:sharp looking dude. And then another guy walks in
Speaker:and he is just torn, battered, bruised, just, just
Speaker:rough looking. Who are you gonna go to battle
Speaker:with? You know what I mean? Like, you're gonna go
Speaker:to battle with the, the guy who's just, who's been
Speaker:there. The guy who's gone through it and is still
Speaker:standing in the room. That's the guy I want. But
Speaker:too often you got someone on your computer saying,
Speaker:hey, look at me. This is how I've done it. Like,
Speaker:nah, man, be real. Like, yeah, we've all gone
Speaker:through stuff. Like, let me tell you, like, I
Speaker:always, always reference it this way sometimes
Speaker:when I speak. Like, as men, we all have scars.
Speaker:Literally. Like, I've got scars all over from just
Speaker:being a boy. You know what I mean? And it's like
Speaker:you, at the end of the day, like, we love to tell
Speaker:how tough we are because of our scars, but as soon
Speaker:as I say, how'd you get that scar? When it comes
Speaker:to an emotional standpoint, we're like, oh, uh,
Speaker:well, you know, I don't want to talk about it. As
Speaker:opposed to man, you know what? I went through some
Speaker:stuff and it was tough and it was bad and
Speaker:sometimes, you know what, it doesn't look good on
Speaker:me personally, but I want to tell you that because
Speaker:a scar is actually showing in proof of healing.
Speaker:And I want to tell you this because you can get
Speaker:through that too. And you can have healing from
Speaker:that too. So I think that's the thing that again,
Speaker:the overarching theme here is like, man, be
Speaker:vulnerable, stop being this fake men. I think. And
Speaker:um, I say that specifically because that's just
Speaker:kind of how I felt it years ago. If we can just be
Speaker:real vulnerable men and actually have some emotion
Speaker:because it's okay to do that. We're going to help
Speaker:more men get, uh, through some things and be
Speaker:actual men as opposed to some of this fake stuff
Speaker:that I think we see, uh, nowadays.
Speaker:>> RB: Yeah, you are 1000% I agree.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: So you're speaking. I mean, look, your story is
Speaker:incredible. I, I've read about you online, you
Speaker:know, talked with Pep about you. He had great
Speaker:things to say about you. And naturally, you know,
Speaker:anytime Pep's got a guest coming on that, I have
Speaker:no idea who is. He's pretty good at vetting
Speaker:people, so I kind of just go with him. I'm like,
Speaker:that's cool, let's do it. But, you know, it looks
Speaker:like you get. You get some engaged speaking
Speaker:engagements going on a little bit, and it sounds
Speaker:as if this is just a microcosm of what you preach
Speaker:or what you talk about. I feel like you probably
Speaker:do touch a lot of people's lives.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: That's what I hope. You know, I think I was
Speaker:telling someone the other day, I get this question
Speaker:at least once a month, man, hey, how's book sales
Speaker:going? How's this going? I'm like, man, I'll be
Speaker:honest with you. Uh, I don't know. I think they're
Speaker:going fine. As a self publisher, you kind of got
Speaker:to just do all that stuff on your own. But I'll be
Speaker:just quite frank, man. I've gotten some texts and
Speaker:phone calls, uh, from people that I wasn't
Speaker:expecting, um, that have told me stories that I
Speaker:didn't know and the impact that the book had on
Speaker:them. Um, I don't have to sell another book
Speaker:because I know that it impacted that person, uh,
Speaker:in such a way that it challenged them to kind of
Speaker:get out of a spot that they were in. And like I
Speaker:said, that was the goal. My goal was to make an
Speaker:impact. I don't know if that's life changing, but.
Speaker:But I hope it is, you know, and I hope that's.
Speaker:That's what's happened. So for me, that's. That's
Speaker:it, man. It's as simple as that. I mean, I love
Speaker:speaking because at the end of the day, man, like,
Speaker:I enjoy being vulnerable. I enjoy, uh, being just
Speaker:blunt with people and real people that, man, like,
Speaker:you can do anything you want. I mean, look, I'm
Speaker:from a small town, North Carolina, that went to
Speaker:the Naval Academy and went to the big leagues. I
Speaker:never thought any, either one of those things
Speaker:could happen. But I got told over and over again,
Speaker:like, nah, that's impossible. And quite frankly, I
Speaker:like proving people wrong. So I just like to show
Speaker:that it's not impossible. It's just improbable.
Speaker:And so I just want to make sure people understand
Speaker:that so they can achieve the things that they want
Speaker:to do.
Speaker:>> RB: Yeah, it's incredible what you've done and you've
Speaker:gone through. It's. It's truly a cool Story.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: I, uh, appreciate it.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: I mean, but the best part about.
Speaker:>> RB: It is, and I found you at Sage Valley Boys, so.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: That's a great question, Mitch. What's your
Speaker:mindset after you miss that two footer that you
Speaker:know, you shouldn't have missed?
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Uh, well, on the course, because I am, uh, the
Speaker:ultimate competitor. I hate losing. Uh, I don't
Speaker:throw the club. It's a win. You know, I'll tap it
Speaker:in and go to the next next one. Uh, and probably
Speaker:absolutely, uh, duck, hook a drive to the left,
Speaker:because I'll just try to absolutely murder the
Speaker:drive. Uh, but at the end of the day, man, it's
Speaker:just like when I looked at it when I was pitching,
Speaker:it's like, man, this is just a game, uh, and we're
Speaker:enjoying life out here on the course or on the
Speaker:field or whatever, because it literally put things
Speaker:in perspective of like, man, I remember when we
Speaker:were going through the straight Hormuz over off
Speaker:the coast of Iraq, Iran, and all those areas that
Speaker:could get a little bit hairy. And, you know,
Speaker:there's times when, when things got a little
Speaker:unnerving and, and you realize, like, that's not a
Speaker:game. You know, what we were doing over there and
Speaker:what my buddies were doing. That's not a game.
Speaker:Yeah, that's, that's real life. That's, that's,
Speaker:that's the real stuff. And the, the fact that I
Speaker:was fortunate to, uh, to play a game for a living,
Speaker:um, I didn't take that for granted. And, and, and
Speaker:you know, when I get to go out there and play,
Speaker:play golf and have a good time and I just, I just,
Speaker:I just love being around the boys. And so that,
Speaker:that was the fun part for me. But hey, that
Speaker:doesn't mean I'm not competitive and I want to be
Speaker:whoever I'm playing against and, and talk while
Speaker:doing it.
Speaker:>> RB: You know what, though, if you really think about
Speaker:it, you know, being a pitcher in golf are kind of
Speaker:similar in the sense of if you throw a bad pitch,
Speaker:you gotta quickly forget about it. You gotta, uh,
Speaker:quickly forget about it or it's gonna affect the
Speaker:next pitch, the next pitch or the next shot. So
Speaker:there are some similarities there, except.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: I was way better at, uh, making a good next pitch,
Speaker:whereas I'm not near as good as hitting that next
Speaker:best shot. Uh, my best club. I think it's my foot
Speaker:wedge. But hey, we'll get there.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Yeah, we got some people like that. We're like,
Speaker:wait a second, you weren't over.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: I swear that was in A rough.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: But wait, you were blocked out? No. What?
Speaker:>> RB: Well, I know, I know your time's limited because
Speaker:your son has some baseball tryouts today.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Let's go, baby. Starting up today.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Here we go.
Speaker:>> RB: Fired up. So we did want to roll into our last
Speaker:segment of the show, brought to you by Betonardi
Speaker:Golf the tap in segment four. Quick questions and
Speaker:demand, uh, your quick response.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: All right, ready?
Speaker:>> RB: Least favorite batter that you've ever faced.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Miguel Cabrera.
Speaker:>> RB: And I was gonna say, don't say Neil Walker, just
Speaker:cause.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Definitely Miguel Cabrera. That was, uh.
Speaker:>> RB: He hit one.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: He was insane. He was, he was, he was incredible.
Speaker:He hit an absolute bomb off of m. Me. Uh, I may
Speaker:have raised my glove up to catch it and it went
Speaker:over the centerfield fence. I mean, just absolute
Speaker:line. Yeah. Yep, he was pretty good.
Speaker:>> RB: What advice would you give younger Mitch if you
Speaker:could talk to him?
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Mhm. I think I would go back and enforce the fact
Speaker:that nobody can tell you what you're capable of.
Speaker:I, um, think that that set in some doubt as I got
Speaker:a little older, going through some relationships
Speaker:and things. Things that I did and some things that
Speaker:failed. Um, I would go back and say, man, you were
Speaker:designed specifically the way you are for a reason
Speaker:and for a purpose. And never forget the fact that
Speaker:you're perfectly designed exactly how you are now.
Speaker:Just live up to that.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: I like that.
Speaker:>> RB: All. Uh, right. Dream Force. And they can be dead
Speaker:or alive.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Oh, well, I mean, I gotta play with Tiger. I
Speaker:would. I think I would enjoy playing with, uh,
Speaker:with, uh, with Jordan just to see that. I mean,
Speaker:that I've heard about like him on a golf course. I
Speaker:think I would love to see that, though I would
Speaker:probably come back broke.
Speaker:>> RB: Yeah.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Um, and then the fourth would be. I don't know. I
Speaker:think, I think I would like to. I think the og. I
Speaker:think I would. I think I would have to see Jack.
Speaker:>> RB: Yeah.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Tiger.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Oh, that's.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: I think that would be. Yeah. I mean, I. I would
Speaker:embarrass myself, but I would have an absolute
Speaker:blast.
Speaker:>> RB: Yeah.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Uh, talk about hitting duck hooks off the first
Speaker:team.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: That for sure. And just pray that it got to the
Speaker:ladies.
Speaker:>> RB: Last question. What are you chasing?
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Oh, man. Uh, the. The next improbable thing that I
Speaker:hear people say.
Speaker:>> RB: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Here we go.
Speaker:>> RB: I love it.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Yeah. That was great, Mitch. Man, you got me. You
Speaker:got me pumped up here, dude. I mean, I'm
Speaker:miserable.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: That's what it's about. And I love it. It's like,
Speaker:man, I'll be honest with you, like uh, you know,
Speaker:we talked about it earlier, like, this 10 years
Speaker:ago. Like, I didn't have this mindset, you know?
Speaker:Like, I think, yeah, I think we go through things
Speaker:in life for a reason. Um, I think it's how we see
Speaker:it and how we perceive it that that determines how
Speaker:you move forward from it. And I think sometimes
Speaker:people are like, oh, this is just my life. Here's.
Speaker:This is just it. As opposed to, like, man, use
Speaker:that for good, you know? And. And so for me, I
Speaker:went through some crap, and it sucked. Um, I also
Speaker:went through some really highs. And so for me, um,
Speaker:I just want to use the things I've gone through to
Speaker:hopefully, you know, make an impact and leave a
Speaker:legacy. That's. That's all I'm striving to do,
Speaker:man.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: I love to see that, man. And we need more of that
Speaker:in the world, man. So I appreciate you, uh, coming
Speaker:on here and talking to us, sharing your story.
Speaker:>> Mitch Harris: Thanks for having me, man. It's been a blank
Speaker:class.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: We'll get you on the golf course soon. Yes, sir,
Speaker:we'll do that. Thanks again.
Speaker:>> RB: Man. Oh, man. Mitch Harris met the. Met the guy
Speaker:down at Sage Valley. I feel like Sage Valley just
Speaker:is like, you just meet people, right?
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Yeah, it is. It's a little. It's a little area of
Speaker:good people.
Speaker:>> RB: Yeah, good people.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Collins family. World class.
Speaker:>> RB: Uh, M. Mitch, thank you so much for coming on the
Speaker:podcast. It was a great story. I'm glad that you
Speaker:got to tell your story to our. Our listeners,
Speaker:because it is truly a special one. And, um, thank
Speaker:you again for serving our country. We greatly
Speaker:appreciate it. And, um, you know, hope to see you
Speaker:on the course soon, everybody.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: I'll tell you, man, it's like every time we have a
Speaker:guest on, we. We say we got to try to play some
Speaker:golf. And really doesn't happen too often. I mean,
Speaker:we're still waiting to play with people from three
Speaker:years ago.
Speaker:>> RB: Right.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: But we do have the tournament coming up, and I
Speaker:know that it's been extra cold in these parts of
Speaker:the country, and frankly, it hasn't been cold in
Speaker:the snowy parts like bail Aspen.
Speaker:>> RB: So skiing here, 60 degrees in Denver.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Uh, it's. It's weird, dude. I can't wait. Well, I
Speaker:had shorts on today. It was 35. And I'm like, yes,
Speaker:I'm wearing shorts. But if you want to get some
Speaker:skiing in and some R R before the spring season,
Speaker:no better place to do it than Nemecollen Resort
Speaker:here in Farmington, Pennsylvania. And obviously
Speaker:now with the NFL Draft being hosted here in our
Speaker:backyard of Pittsburgh. Penny, they got a nice
Speaker:little promotion going on. You can stay and
Speaker:they'll drive you up to the draft, bring it back,
Speaker:and, you know, do what you got to do. But if you
Speaker:haven't been, you got to come because it's a
Speaker:phenomenal spot. So check them out online@ne.com
Speaker:and, uh, you won't regret it. I promise you. You
Speaker:will not regret it.
Speaker:>> RB: Love it. It is the best. So I might head up there
Speaker:this week to hit the simulator. Get ready for
Speaker:guess my first member guest is in two and a half.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: I got needles, uh, in two weeks, dude. All right,
Speaker:next drop, I'll be at needles. You guys aren't
Speaker:going, but me and.
Speaker:>> RB: I am not going.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Me and Pizzle, uh, making a trek down the pine
Speaker:needles and Mid pines this year. And we're gonna
Speaker:do it. We're gonna do it. That's why Hammer, if
Speaker:Hammer listens, you know, he's doing the Ashworth
Speaker:two Man two weeks later. Um, which you and I were
Speaker:gonna not play in or gonna play in, but now we're
Speaker:gonna not, so it works out, bud. Where's your
Speaker:member guest?
Speaker:>> RB: I'm, um, running it back at Pelican with bcats. We
Speaker:gotta defend our title from last year, so I'm
Speaker:really excited about that.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Well, I love it, man. I love it.
Speaker:>> RB: So.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: And, uh, it's a great episode today, guys. We
Speaker:always appreciate you tuning in.
Speaker:>> RB: Make sure you go to chase it. Underscore birdies.
Speaker:Check us out and remember the details for the two
Speaker:man are going to be. Are going to be emailed out
Speaker:soon. Uh, so stay tuned.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Yeah, that's going to be right here before you
Speaker:know it. So if you want to get in on that action,
Speaker:you know, sign up. Let's go. Let's see what we can
Speaker:do. But as always, guys, we appreciate you tuning
Speaker:in. We hope you have a great Valentine's Day
Speaker:weekend. You know, just give some extra love to
Speaker:everybody. Let it just kind of.
Speaker:>> RB: Yeah.
Speaker:>> Jonathan: Reek from your skin. And always a big thanks to
Speaker:Ally, Emily and Eva over at Simpler Media for
Speaker:putting this thing together. Jacqueline Deepaterio
Speaker:and Rachel London for your help. You guys have a
Speaker:great weekend. And, uh, you know, we'll catch you
Speaker:on, too.