I'm Todd Miller of Isaiah Industries, manufacturer of

specialty residential metal roofing and other building materials.

Welcome to Construction Disruption, where we like to think of each

episode as a job site for your brain.

Hard hats, optional bright ideas guaranteed.

Today I'm joined by my co-host, our creative director, Ryan Bell.

What's going on today, Ryan?

Well, not much.

It's Friday.

The weather's beautiful.

Do you want to hear a construction joke?

I would love to hear a concern.

I've been waiting for this all day.

I'm sorry, I'm still working on it.

There have been all kinds of job site delays.

Those doggone masonry guys haven't showed up yet.

Part of the business.

I get it.

I get it.

Well, I am excited about today's, uh, guest.

This is someone, uh, been a good friend of mine for quite a number

of years, more than neither one of us likes to talk about.

Um, but I'm really excited today to have someone who is very well known in

both the roofing and the solar worlds.

Rob Haddock is CEO and founder of S five and owner of the

Metal Roof Advisory Group.

With over 50 years of industry experience, Rob is very much a

sought after speaker and trainer in the metal construction industry.

Additionally, his innovations at S five have paved the way for metal roofs to be

the preferred base for solar attachment, as well as just generally further the

metal roofing industry in so many ways.

Um, Rob, welcome to Construction Disruption, true honor

to have you here today.

Thanks a lot, Todd.

It's good to be with you.

We've known each other for a lot of years, so I'm glad to share this screen with you.

Hey, good time.

I'm looking forward to it.

Um, I have to say though, that kind of hit me, uh, when it said over 50

years of experience you have Rob.

That's, that's pretty amazing.

It, so, so I heard, is it true that you were born when the

Dead Sea wasn't even sick yet?

There's, there's your joke.

And then there's my joke.

I've been waiting all day for that one, Rob, and I'm, and I'm always

trying to remember who's older.

You or Dick Buss.

You're about the same age.

I think we're almost exactly the same age, maybe

within six months or something.

That's cool.

I need to get Dick on the show sometime.

I haven't had him yet.

Um, well again, Rob, it's great to have you.

Um, your career has taken you.

So many places, both literally and figuratively.

Um, and we really wanna jump into the meat of our conversation.

Looking at, uh, your contributions to the industry and where you

see the industry right now.

But can you first give our audience kind of a quick look at how you made this

journey from professional bull riding, which not everyone probably knows about

you from professional bull riding to entrepreneur and metal roofing guru.

What was that journey like for you?

Well, life happened, Todd, and there aren't too many bull riders

still competing past about the age of 30.

So it really isn't a sustainable career path.

But back in those days, I also cowboy in general working ranches and feedlot.

That isn't exactly a sustainable career path either.

Then one day when I was out checking cows, I had, uh, an epiphany about all

that, and I came off that ranch where I was working and went to the big city

to make my fortune, strike my fortune,

Fame and fortune.

There you go.

Yeah, I was, I was 19 then.

And, um, I kept riding for the next several years, but riding bulls is

kinda like any other extreme sport.

You really can't do it part-time.

Um, it's all in or all out.

You've gotta be given it 110% or you'll disappoint yourself.

Um, so I had been to welding school and fell into part-time steel

construction at age 19, and for the next 18 or so years, I pursued that.

Um, I started my own business and over that time built over 500 metal

buildings in 36 states before, uh.

I sold out and retired from that business.

And in tandem with all that, I started a consulting practice pertaining to

metal roofing, uh, in about 1984.

So in combination with buildings that I had built and forensic consulting work

that I, that I did, I'd been on tens of millions of square feet of metal

metal roofing and learned about what.

Everything that goes wrong.

And I started writing about it and, and teaching on the subject, hence

the, uh, guru piece of the puzzle.

Um, and I've also traveled the world to gain additional perspective on

how things are done around the globe.

Not everything is done the same way it's done here in the US of a. In 1991,

I retired from, uh, from construction, and I started inventing solutions for

the many problems I'd encountered on one roof or another, and many roofs.

That's amazing.

Quite a story.

What is it?

Uh uh, necessity is the mother of invention.

I guess sometimes you see something, you gotta fix it.

So I, back to the bull riding, I have to ask you, did you see a movie that

came out recently called The Last Rodeo?

Did you see that?

I haven't even heard of it.

I'll have to write that

down.

Good movie has a lot of, uh, faith component to it.

Um, I think I, I kept thinking about you the whole time I was watching it actually.

Uh, it came out a few months ago.

So I'm curious.

I mean, again, you know, long storied career in this industry.

Um.

What are some of the major developments that you've seen in metal roofing

over the years and, you know, why has that made you a real believer,

uh, in metal as a roofing material?

Well, there have been lots of improve.

in in fabrication and automation and those kinds of things.

But I think the biggest milestone in my own lifetime was the invention

of galium coated steel, uh, in the late sixties by my old friend.

Ow.

At that time, you know, G 90 galvanized was the go-to coating for steel, uh,

and this new coating would outlast G 90.

By a ratio of three to one in most environments.

Trouble was, nobody knew that.

And, um, for many years it carried an inherent 20 year warranty.

And then after, uh, several decades, they raised that, the producers raised

that to 25 years, but still no one knew because these roofs weren't wearing out.

Um, and no one knew how long to expect them to really last.

Um, I know you're familiar, Todd, with a field service life study that I led

for the MCA, which began about 2010.

And that study proved conclusively that this coating had a service

life in the range of 70 years.

We went and dissected roofs on 14 different buildings all over

the US and we did lab analyses on 'em and so on and so forth.

But, um, a, as a result of that, I think an indirect result of that study

within the last few years, three major domestic producers of gal. Have raised

their warranty to up to 60 years, and that I think is, is a real landmark.

Certainly I don't, I don't mean to diminish other things that

the industry has been doing, but for me that's the big one.

Yeah, no, I agree with you and I, and I know there's

information about that still available on metal construction.org.

And if I recall correctly, that was also the study where you folks

dug into some of the sealants that were used on the roofs as well.

Because the concern was, well, okay, the gloom lasts long, long time.

What about the sealants?

And you found similar life expectancies there as well.

Is that correct?

Um, that's a key point.

In fact, the, the gal bloom coating in, in most cases, um, would last, I think

we have some studies that show on some roofs in some environments, um, that.

The, the coating would last over 150 years.

Um, but the, the sealant was kind of the wild card.

But when we did those surveys, we wanted to determine what could

a specifier or building owner.

Expect out of the service life of his roof, everything included.

And so we inspected and, and, and projected the lives of

fasteners and flashings and gutters and so on and so forth.

Um, so it really was a, a whole roof service life as, as a package.

Amazing.

So I think one of our.

Early interactions.

A number of years ago was, um, you had started the Metal Roof advisor group

out there in Colorado Springs area, and I had sent one of our team members, I

think Jeff Mesher out for some training or a class with you, and I think that

was one of our early, uh, interactions.

But, um, kind of curious, what knowledge and skill gaps are you seeing out there

for con uh, contractors, um, you know, that might be keeping them from getting

involved with metal and construction?

Um, I would say that the knowledge gaps largely consist of a lack

of understanding of why it's important.

To do things a certain way.

Um, when you don't understand why something is important, you're a whole

lot less likely to actually do it.

And so in, in the lectures and classes that I do, I strive to, um, emphasize

the underlying reasons for everything.

Uh, and people really relate to that and their level of comprehension goes way up.

They're able to digest infinitely more information.

Um, yeah, I agree with you a hundred percent.

I think under.

Standing the why is such a big thing.

Well, um, so you talked about how, you know, you developed S five as a way to

solve problems you are seeing out there.

Can you give us, um, kind of an overview of S five and your various clamps and

attachments and product offerings and um, maybe review also what led you

to see the need for those inventions?

Sure.

Um, as I said, my exposure to the.

Metal roofing industry was considerable.

Um, and most of the problems on metal roofs were caused by other trades, not

knowing how to affix things to metal roofs and integrate them correctly, um,

they didn't know the right way to do it.

And that's totally understandable because there really wasn't a right way.

To attach things to metal roofs.

So it was kind of by hook or crook had been by guess and by golly, and

it was almost always done with screws, which created holes and worse pinned

the metal panels to the structure, violating its ability to cycle thermally.

Um, the metal roofing community at large responded by sticking

their heads in the sand.

Um, you can't mount things on our roof.

It'll cause leaks and you'll avoid the warranty, but people

have to mount things to roofs.

So it was a catch 22.

Um, and every time they did it, it violated the integrity of a roof.

So the, the, the roof manufacturing community, um, had a good point.

The, the most obvious application that I spotted was the attachment of snow guards.

Um, there were lots of snow guards on lots of roofs in northern climates, and

they were either screwed on causing holes again or glued on, in which case they fell

off after the first couple of winters.

Um, so I kind of mused with myself.

I gotta come up with a better way to do this, the right way to do this.

And as soon as I had that aha moment, I knew I'd come up with much more

than a way to attach snow guards.

But that was the low hanging fruit at the time.

And so I took that invention to four different companies.

I had no intention of commercializing it myself.

I took it to companies that were far more qualified to commercialize products

within that industry space than I was.

Um, but they all turned it down.

There's no market for it, they said.

I didn't want to, but I had to commercialize it myself.

It was a kind of a default situation.

I knew there was a market for it, and today we've, we have over 200

issued patents in our, in our company patent portfolio and S five products

are sold in at least 86 countries of the world on over 3 million roofs.

Um, they can be found on the headquarters of IBM, apple, Google, nato.

Every Costco ever built many FedEx and Walmart distribution centers, not to

mention tens of thousands of homes.

Um, but remember there wasn't any market for it,

Wasn't a market for it.

Yep.

and it's really become a disruptive technology, uh, to

think that standing seam roofing had been around for about 1200 years.

No one ever thought of a good way to attach things to.

It is incredible to me.

Uh, but S five was the first company to come up with tested, certified,

engineered, and manufactured solutions and offer them within that market space.

You know, we talk a lot in the industry about what

S five has done in terms of.

Furthering the use of solar and other attachments on metal.

But the fact is, I don't think you guys get enough credit for what you did to

further the use of metal period, because suddenly metal became the preferred base

for all of those things because we had a way of attaching, uh, things without whole

bunches of screws and, and holes and so

That's why I say it's a disruptive technology because

it, it actually changed the way people think about metal roofing.

You know, in the one, on the one hand it was no, you can't

put anything on a metal roof.

You have to put things on metal roofs.

It was the least user friendly, I guess you could say.

Owner, owner, friend.

Friendly building.

Owner friendly, um, because there was a prohibition about mounting things on it.

And, and that completely switched with, um, with the S five technologies.

Absolutely.

Well, I know you folks at S five have developed a real, as you mentioned,

strong international presence.

Um, especially with solar attachment, but you know, what are some of the

big countries right now for solar?

Well, almost anywhere outside the us.

Um, due to the recent action by the administration in, in rescinding the

investment tax credit, um, not every country needs tax incentives because

their cost of electricity is so high.

It's two or three times what ours is in the US in most parts of the world.

Um, so solar pays for itself in less than five years and

generates power for over 30.

Here at home, it's not that way anymore.

And so it, it really did need the incentives, um, to improve the ROI

on on, on the huge investment that people make, uh, with respect to solar.

Um, so anywhere in the world.

And, um, by the way, metal is more popular in more places.

Outside the US than it is within the us.

Of course, the US is a huge market.

Um, but the, the domination of metal roofing in, in the roofing market

at large, uh, is are much higher numbers outside the US in, in, in a

lot of places, um, than inside the us.

Yeah, I, I think that's an incredible story also.

And, um, well, just last night I had a metal roof manufacturer

in Romania reach out to me and say, Hey Todd, we need to talk.

I said Absolutely.

Let's set up a time to talk.

Well, tell us a little bit about your structure at S five, your various

locations, you know, how you cover this global, uh, presence that you have.

Well, we're a, we're a closely held company, Todd, as I

think you know, and family owned.

Um, we've been debt-free since our inception.

We do almost everything in house.

That means prototyping, accounting, video production, certified testing,

sales, marketing, it, engineering and design, and certified manufacturing.

Um, a lot of people call us a manufacturing company, but we're not,

uh, we're an innovation enterprise that does its own manufacturing.

We have a 76,000 square foot state-of-the-art production

facility in Iowa Park, Texas, and no, that's not in Iowa.

When I say Iowa Park, a lot of people think the Iowa we're actually a tribe

of Indians that stretched all the way from the panhandle of Texas up into Iowa

Okay.

at, at any rate, so I, I digress, but.

Then we have another satellite production facility in Bilbao, Spain to serve the

European community and the MENA region.

Uh, we're also bringing another one online to serve the Canadian market.

And our office campus is right here outside, uh, Colorado

Springs in Black Forest, 600 miles from the factory in Texas.

Including the lab building here this complex is, is over 12,000 square

feet, and then we have teams of S five employees in many regions of the world

who all report remotely, of course, to this, to this office here in Colorado.

That is quite an enterprise to be managing and leading for sure.

And uh, I know everyone that knows you has a great deal of

respect for your leadership and the leadership of your family Is.

As well.

Well, I, I was talking the other day to a Solar, solar panel producer here

in the us, actually a solar shingle producer, and they said that they have

really reigned back their growth plans for this, uh, after this year due

to the federal tax credit, uh, going away, which you alluded to earlier.

Um, are you seeing other people kind of scaling back also?

Um, yes, plenty of them.

Uh, the solar space became kind of the.com or housing bubble of the day.

And many companies were very over leveraged with debt.

Um, the curtailment of the ITC, um, will stunt the growth

of the residential market.

So the producer, you're, you're, um, inferring, um, is,

is, is, is gonna suffer that.

Um, but the commercial market is still alive.

But with a lot of additional caveats.

And those keep changing almost weekly.

Um, but the commercial market is still alive with, as I said, with some caveats.

Would, would that commercial market include, you know,

municipalities who are putting in little solar fields and things?

Would that be included in that?

Yes, of course.

You know, we stay in the, in the rooftop

Ab absolutely.

so I can't speak to, uh, all the whys and where force and what

have you with respect to solar fields.

Um, but it's my understanding that, um, they are not going to be killed as well.

Again, I think they'll be, they'll.

Plenty of caveats about how, how you define domestic content

and how you, how you do all these, all these various things.

It's still, it's an, it's an ongoing thing.

It's interesting, our little city, we're here in Pickwell, Ohio, uh,

has put into solar fields and, uh, we were one of the first municipalities back,

uh, I think in the fifties or sixties to start playing with nuclear energy as well.

So for some reason, Pickwell, Ohio has always tried to lead

the way in terms of, of energy.

I think you'll, I think you'll also see.

Um, certain states that are very solar proactive, that because the, the,

the federal investment tax credit.

Is is now more or less disappearing?

Um, I think you'll see some of the states and utilities pick up the slack, so it,

it's not a total bust, I don't think.

A lot remains to be seen.

Um.

But if, if states subsidize solar, it replaces the federal money to some extent.

Um, same thing is true with utilities.

I mean, a lot of times public policy puts the onus on the, on the

local utility to subsidize solar.

It's, it remains to be seen.

And my crystal ball is not totally shattered, but it's mostly broken.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We'll see how it all plays out.

That's for.

Sure.

Well, you know, you have created such a remarkable global brand with S five.

Um, okay, well I have to ask you this.

Tell us a little bit about the origination of the name.

S five.

Well, if, if I told you that Todd, I'd have to have you knocked off

well, okay.

Well, I don't have to know then

it, it, it's, it's a trade secret and it's closely held.

My kids don't even know.

Oh, that's awesome.

Well, this is like Colonel Sanders and his recipe almost here.

Well, tell me a little bit about though, what it's like to, you know, lead an

organization of that magnitude as we talked about, you know, how you're

doing all this international stuff.

Yeah, I, I never, when I, um, when I invented S five, uh, attachment

technology out in the workshop in my barn, um, I never imagined the magnitude that

it would, that would, it would achieve.

I sure stayed busy and fly about a quarter million miles a year.

But of course with stages of growth, you know, it didn't all happen overnight.

Um, we went through growth stages and there are then also growth pains.

Uh, I figure at this juncture my job as the CEO is to look down the

road and avoid making a wrong turn.

Um, it's also to remove obstacles that others on staff may not see.

It's also to lower the hurdles and eliminate dysfunctions both inside and

outside the organization and to be sure we keep doing things the right way.

That's our ethos, and I've never paid much attention to

conventional wisdom, so to speak.

Love it.

Well reflect a little bit.

On residential and, and I know we've talked a little bit about how the

tax credit going away is hurting residential solar, but, um, talk

a little bit about your thoughts on residential metal roofing.

Uh, you know, that that's where my heart has been for a lot of years.

Um, do you see that as continuing to be a growth market or what

are your thoughts on that?

I do, I think it goes, um.

I think it goes deeper than solar viability.

Certainly the metal roof is the perfect mounting platform for solar.

Uh, but there are many other attributes of metal as that

you're very much aware of them.

I think it's, uh, and I think an aging population is coming

to appreciate that things.

Don't last forever.

So when it comes to roof replacement, uh, they're turning to metal because of

its life expectancy, its service life.

It doesn't last forever either, but almost.

We just need to continue to get that word out.

You know, it's been interesting.

I've seen a number of.

Where remodeling contractors have tried to get involved in solar and even

guys who are involved in metal have tried to get involved in residential

solar seems like it's, you know, they always run into challenges.

Well, I don't, I don't wanna have to deal with electricians, I

don't wanna have to deal with the permitting, all that type of stuff.

Um, I'm just kind of curious though.

Do, do you think that we will see.

Solar move more into the residential contractor or will always kind of

stay its own solar contractor thing.

It, it's really been as, as far as the trades people that

do solar, um, it, it's always been.

A little here and a little there kind of, kind of thing.

You have electricians who have adopted the, the solar buzz, the

solar craze, and are tending into it.

You have a few roofing contractors who, who are doing the same thing, and then

you have a, the, the typical solar EPC.

You know, which is kind of its own subset.

Um, and, and so you have a real hodgepodge.

Um, I think that well organized contractors, um, who don't, who don't

have a mindset of this is a get rich quick thing, um, attacked the right way.

I think it can be a really good crossover.

Um, and, and definitely within the commercial scene, we don't

know what's gonna happen in over the, over the next three years

in the, in the residential scene.

Um, if there's a change in administration, you know, it may

reinstate the investment tax credit.

It, it's really hard to say, but as far as the commercial marketplace,

you know, a large commercial roofing contractor, if he hires a really.

A really good designer, solar one who understands solar and

is a bonafide solar designer.

Um, he could make it work and you can sub out the electrical.

Um.

Again, to some, to an electrical company who understands solar and, and the

rest of it is just placing modules.

It's just, it's just mechanical operation.

It's, it's plugging in two wires together and laying modules down and attaching

'em hopefully with as five goods.

There you go.

Well, switching gears a little bit, I know that.

You have long been a proponent and supporter of trade associations,

uh, groups like Metal Construction Association and others.

Why do you feel that that's important and how has it benefited you and your

career and building your business?

Well, it's, it's not automatic.

It, it's, it's not like all, all it takes is to join an organization

and good things are gonna happen.

I think it's, it's certain.

Really true that you get out of it what you put into it.

Um, and, and like trade show participation, it's a soft payback.

CFOs hate soft paybacks.

They, they wanna be able to measure everything.

Um, but I've always been a joiner Todd, and so I belong to numerous organizations.

I do not devote time to them all equally.

I don't have that much time.

I belong to probably a dozen or more, but, but I direct my time and talents

to the ones that I consider to afford lasting value to friendships as well

as build business relationships.

Um, my longest standing distributors, you mentioned Dick Buss earlier, and

the other one is, um, is Peterson.

Um, I, I met those guys through MCA and in some cases MBMA.

Of course, there are many, many more, but um, and those guys have

been with S five for more than 30 years now and bridge generations.

So how do you measure the value of something like that?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I learned most of what I know about metal roofing.

Um, through trade associations and, and mentoring with people

that were way smarter than I was.

Um, that's how I learned.

I didn't learn that stuff in school, in college, or anything like that.

Well, and you certainly have been passing it along as well.

So, uh, I'm curious, you know, what has been the most rewarding part,

uh, of your journey in this and.

I love to learn, but the most rewarding part of my journey is fulfilling

my giftings and callings of and for God.

Um, 12 years ago I started a family foundation and the

enterprise funds the foundation.

And it's set up in perpetuity so that it survives me, and that's the

most rewarding part of my journey in, in enterprise and in life.

That's cool stuff.

We should all be so blessed to be able to say that.

Well, um, been a real pleasure, privilege to to chat with you here today.

Rob, is there anything we haven't covered, uh, that you wanted to be

sure to share with our audience?

There's a whole mountain of stuff we haven't covered.

Todd.

We had a limited amount of time, but.

I'm writing a book about it and, and maybe I'll even write two, you know,

one about personal anecdotal stories and family history and stuff like that, and

another one about business enterprise and missteps and all the mistakes I've made.

Anyway, stay tuned for that.

I'll be your first customer.

I, I wanna sign copy though though, so I gotta make sure I get that.

But

No problem.

well Rob, this has been a great time together.

Um, before we close out, I have to ask you one more thing, and that is,

if you're willing to participate in something we call rapid fire questions.

These are five questions, just random questions.

All you have to do is give a quick response.

Are you up to the challenge of rapid fire?

Yeah, in fact, I brought my own tool,

Good deal.

You are well prepared for this,

so have at it Todd.

Fire away.

Ryan.

I'll let you ask the first one.

All right.

Question number one.

What's a product or service you've acquired recently that's kind

of been a game changer for you?

Oh Mercy.

You know, we're, we're moving all the time and we're always

inventing new stuff and, um, and.

I've, I've invented some stuff that flopped in the marketplace, but

thankfully, most of it doesn't.

And we have, um, we have 10 or 12 patent applications into the patent

office all the time, every, every, every, every day of every year.

Um, we just keep inventing things and we, we never know for certain

which one is, which ones are gonna really sore and which ones are gonna,

eh, kind of a dud sort of thing.

So you always got things going on.

That's great.

Um, I'm curious, uh, question number two, tell us about one of the most

impressive metal roofs you've ever seen or been on or worked on or whatever.

I mentioned to you earlier that, um, we have a satellite

production facility in Bilbao, Spain, um, because of the information

exchange and, and the training that is taking place between the US.

In Spain, um, I've, we, we rented an apartment, a three bedroom apartment so

that we have some place to house people when we, when we send technicians and

engineers and so on, uh, over to Spain.

And, um, so, so in answer to your question, I don't know if you've, if

you're familiar with the Guggenheim, that was done by Fran o Gary.

Sure.

It's hard to differentiate what's a roof and what's a

Well, yeah.

Or structure.

Yes.

but it is quite a structure.

You, your audience can Google it, the Guggenheim and Bilbo Spain.

It's that that material is titanium.

Um, and it's only 0.4 millimeter in, in gauge.

Um, and, and it's, it's, it's quite a striking thing.

Another one done by the same architect as one of my favorite wineries,

uh, uh, in, in central Spain.

Um, and it's near, um, oh shoot, LaGuardia.

It's near to LaGuardia.

And that's the, um, marque al. Winery and the same architect did that.

They built a hotel there.

It's a Marriott chain hotel and um, the same architect did that one.

It's very similar.

I'm gonna check that out as well.

Okay.

Is the next one?

No, it's your, it's back to you, Ryan.

Back to me.

Question number three, what is your favorite meal?

I would have to say lamb shanks.

I know you expected me to say beef.

I was kind of thinking it was gonna be steak.

Good answer.

Next question.

Um, I might know the answer to this, but what did the 8-year-old

Rob dream of being when he grew up?

Oh, oh, man.

I don't, I, I, well, I dreamt of being a cowboy.

That's what I figured.

That's what

Yeah, I did.

I did, for sure.

I did.

Cool stuff.

Living out your dreams.

I was, uh, I, I have photographs of me

on, uh, on my dad's horse.

You know, my folks were divorced when I was about four, but I have,

I have photographs of me on my dad's horse, and I'm, and my older

brother is, is sitting in front.

And, um, I'm sitting in back and I got a real sour puss on, um, because the,

and you could see my dad is pointing, instructing me to look at the camera.

'cause grandpa was taking a picture, right.

And I had a sour puss on me because I always rode in back, which was fine.

But I preferred to stand up that way I could see where we're going, you know?

I could see over my brother's shoulders and, and, um, yeah, so I had a sour

puss on because they made me sit down, sit down and look at the camera.

I, I think that photo needs to make the S

five website somehow, someday.

I think so too.

I agree.

All right.

Final question here.

We'll kind of end on a serious note.

At the end of your days, what would you, uh, like to be remembered for?

A lot of things, but, um, improving the lives of other people, um,

leaving a legacy involving certain values.

My children and work ethic and that sort of thing.

Um, but I'm all about doing for others and improving the lives of others.

And the found the mission statement of our family foundation, um, is

to do what Jesus did, which was to improve the lives of others.

And, and he preached about.

Um, about the father, the widow, and the fatherless, and, and doing things.

So, so the charities that the foundation supports are all aimed at in making

permanent changes in people's lives, and that, you know, goes from, um, sexual

slavery to, uh, rehabbing, um, uh.

Vets and those sorts of charities, there are about 20 of them.

Cool stuff, great answer, and uh, you are, you are doing it.

Um, well, Rob.

Thank you very much for the role that you play in the industry

and in the lives of so many.

Um, for those who want to learn about S five or the Metal Roof

Advisory group, uh, what are the best ways for them to do that?

Uh, well, there are two websites because one is a consultancy

and the other is a product company.

But S Five's website is just www dot sen sen five, the number five.com.

And, um, the consultancy, the Metal Roof advisory group is

RM Haddock, like my name, Rob.

RM Raymond Mary Haddock, HA double DOC k.com respectively.

Very good.

Well, we will put those in the show notes as well.

Rob, thank you again.

What a pleasure.

Always a joy to talk with.

You.

Thank you.

Enjoyed visiting with you, Todd, and I guess I'll

see you in Oh, I'll see you in,

Maybe metal con.

Yep.

Yep.

Good deal.

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