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Speaker AAnd welcome to the Pat Accounting Podcast with me, your host, Vicki Clark.
Speaker AI'm going to help you get to grips with your finances, save you lots of money and take the stress out of doing your tax return.
Speaker ASo let's get going.
Speaker AHello, everyone.
Speaker AWelcome to this week's Live.
Speaker AAnd today we're going to be talking all things budget and.
Speaker AAnd this lovely man next to me, if some of you don't know because you've not seen him for at least a year, is my lovely business partner, Lee.
Speaker AHe's been skiving for six months, so.
Speaker BI wish I was skiving.
Speaker AFor those who didn't know who he was, they see who he is because they're like, Lee, where have you been?
Speaker BI've also decided that I much prefer doing lives like this than public speaking at expos, as was horrendous.
Speaker BAnd I read it last ages to the people less.
Speaker AYeah, we all learned a few things there.
Speaker ADon't let Lee up on the stage.
Speaker ANo.
Speaker ABless him.
Speaker BI think I just prefer when it's much more free flowing.
Speaker BBut when you go.
Speaker ABut the thing is though, it's much, it's.
Speaker APeople go, yeah, but you do a podcast every week and it's like, yeah, but we don't see anyone's face.
Speaker AIt's just us two having a chat.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AWhereas when you've got 200 people staring at.
Speaker AStaring at you, like waiting for you to say something.
Speaker ALike, when I start, when we started there expo, me and Tegan had a proper script and it just went to shift because we're so nervous and she dropped our cards and then I couldn't read mine and I was like, oh.
Speaker BGod, that was the hardest bit because I knew I had to stick to what I was about to talk about.
Speaker BWhereas on these, we can go off on tangents, so it's easiest for me to pull information together.
Speaker BWhereas when I'm there, I thought, if I go off on a tangent, I'll lose where I am and lose the sense of what I'm doing.
Speaker AYou were very focused.
Speaker BI was hyper focused on that.
Speaker AEmily's watching, Leighton's watching, Whis doing work.
Speaker AStop watching the bosses at work.
Speaker AOn a separate note of what we're going to talk about today and we are going to delve into the budget is we just got an email today to say that we have got another stand at Crufts for the fifth or sixth year running, however long it's been, which is exciting.
Speaker ASo we will be at Crufts next year.
Speaker ASo make sure that if you do Come and you want to come and say hello.
Speaker AWe'll be in Hall 1 as usual.
Speaker ANot sure where the stand is as yet.
Speaker AYes, they've done it, they've completely changed up.
Speaker ASo God knows what it's going to be like when we get there.
Speaker ABut we are in hole one again, hopefully in the same place as last year.
Speaker ABut we will let you know, so make sure you come and say hello.
Speaker ASo we had the budget yesterday, as we all know and probably watched that the lovely Rachel from Accounts properly shafted, everybody went totally against what they promised, surprise, surprise and just was an absolute shit show, as we all expected.
Speaker ASo there's obviously a lot to the budget and we're only going to go through things that are relevant to you guys, otherwise we'll be here for forever.
Speaker ABut just to drill down on the bits that are going to make a difference to you guys and why.
Speaker ABut for my personal opinion, I thought it was absolutely shit and I think she got destroyed by.
Speaker AI don't know who that woman is.
Speaker AHe was wearing like a blue dress and some part must have been conservative woman.
Speaker BAm I bad Doc or something like that?
Speaker AYeah, she absolutely destroyed her.
Speaker AIt was embarrassing.
Speaker AAnd you know, they've said, oh, you know, we're going to put, put you minimum wage up, which means nothing because they've frozen the thresholds and that just means that employers can't afford to pay.
Speaker AThey have to put the prices up.
Speaker ASo then everyone's paying for more and you're getting taxed more.
Speaker ASo actually you're probably worse off with them putting the minimum wage if she just kept it the same.
Speaker AYeah, but they, no one really understands that and they wouldn't know.
Speaker AThey just go, oh my God, my minimum wage has gone up great.
Speaker AWell, it's not great because you're probably worse off.
Speaker BIt's really difficult, isn't it?
Speaker BBecause this budget was very much a case of take from everybody that's worked hard to get where they are and give those that aren't contributing, you know, and I get the government's in a difficult situation, they've got rising debts and all the rest of it, but if you can't afford to pay those, just don't, don't give out more.
Speaker BJust put that on the back burner.
Speaker AAnd things like around the middle people are getting screwed, whereas the people are lazy and don't work are getting paid for and the people who are making millions get to keep their millions and they're not really taxed.
Speaker AIt's everybody that's in between.
Speaker AIt Gets.
Speaker AThat gets shafted, which is just ridiculous.
Speaker AOh well, if you've got a 2 million pound house, you can pay 2 grand.
Speaker AI'm sorry, if you can afford a 2 million pound house or 5 million pound house, 2 grand is nothing.
Speaker ALike, it's, it's just, it's just ridiculous.
Speaker ABut whatever.
Speaker AThis is our personal opinion, in all.
Speaker BHonesty, as a sole trader with a sole trade business, you, you've got away pretty unscathed.
Speaker BHowever, if you've got savings or if you have income from dividends, if.
Speaker BSo you're a director, if you've got staff, if you've got property, like you're a landlord and you rent out a property, then unfortunately you are going to be paying more tax.
Speaker BSo they maintain that they, I think Kia was in the news today saying that, you know, they've stuck to their manifesto, they didn't create promises.
Speaker BPersonally, I don't see how that they can say that because they have literally frozen the tax free thresholds.
Speaker AWhich she said.
Speaker AWhich she said she wouldn't do.
Speaker BYeah, she has broken it and do.
Speaker BBut what does that really mean?
Speaker BOkay, so Everybody in the UK has a tax free allowance which is £12,570 a year.
Speaker BAnything earned below that is generally not taxed.
Speaker BSo we start paying tax and national insurance once that threshold is breached.
Speaker BSo what happens is as the average of wages rise year on year, you know, generally they go up.
Speaker BIt means that more people will be pushed over that threshold.
Speaker BSo they're going to be taxed now by freezing that threshold until 30, 31.
Speaker BI think it is with an additional 3.
Speaker A20, 31.
Speaker A30 ones minus away would be dead.
Speaker BI know it's because 31, but I'm thinking of.
Speaker BYeah, it's, yeah, 20, 31.
Speaker BWhat, what happens is as the wages grows, more people are pushed into that taxation bracket so that the government then is taxing more people that are on low wages.
Speaker BSo they increase the national minimum wage.
Speaker BEmployers have to pay more to their staff and I think some of them are going up by 8.5%.
Speaker BSo it's quite a big jump.
Speaker BAnd I believe off the top of my head, somebody over the age of 21 is now going up to £12 71.
Speaker BSo it's almost another 50 pence an hour.
Speaker AIt is literally 50 pence.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd so what will happen is that those people are now going to be taxed more because they're now over the £12,500 bracket.
Speaker BSo they're giving with one hand and then secretly taking it away with the Other the problem that we've got is that she kept employers national insurance contributions and the allowance that we get the same.
Speaker BSo it means that the more employers national insurance that we have to pay, the less we're able to claim back.
Speaker BSo the employer is actually paying more for it as well.
Speaker BSo the more staff you have, the more hours that they do, the higher the wages that you have to pay them and the more national insurance that.
Speaker AThe employer and that results in all the businesses putting their prices up.
Speaker AWhich means the average person is then spending more because every business has had to put the price up.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ASo someone like us, we've got what, 14 staff, we're now thinking, well everyone's wages now gone up.
Speaker AHow are we going to, how are we going to factor that in?
Speaker AThe only thing we can do is put our prices up because otherwise if we don't we're going to go like that rather than like that.
Speaker ASo but don't worry, not by much.
Speaker BInflation.
Speaker BSo inflation is, is what drives the costs of goods and, and services.
Speaker BSo inflation is the increase in what the same goods or service would have cost you 12 months ago.
Speaker BSo for any business that doesn't put their prices up by at least the rate of inflation, it means that what they're selling today they're making less money on because it's now worth more money because of the rate of inflation.
Speaker BSo if you don't have a yearly pricing, what you're delivering is eating into your profits and, and squeezing you more and more.
Speaker BAnd when we had the last budget and, and the, the national insurance for employers was announced and the, the big changes that, that made, I mean we've seen it ourselves.
Speaker BThe, the, the extra costs certainly now that the allowance has been used is staggering of how many extra we've got to find every month to pay HMRC to just to employ people.
Speaker BSo she froze that.
Speaker BWhich means that if you do use your annual allowance then you are going to be paying more money again in higher wages, higher national insurance costs and there's no way of mitigating that.
Speaker BSo you need to start looking at your prices to make sure that you're covering not only the increase, it's going to cost you from April, the rate of inflation.
Speaker BSo you need to make sure that your prices rise by at least the rate of inflation and then you're going to need to add another little bit more on so that you make a little bit more every year as well.
Speaker BIt is going to make things a lot more expensive just from general consumers.
Speaker BSo that's that's where the national minimum wage comes in and how it's secretly taxed at the back end that you're not necessarily seeing it by then freezing the rates.
Speaker AAnd just as this other one did point out yesterday, the woman that actually unemployment is, is a lot higher since they've, they've come on board and the changes they've made.
Speaker AI think I could be wrong but sure.
Speaker AShe said it was like a million more people were unemployed since the budget because employers can't afford to pay them.
Speaker BYeah, look, I was speaking to some of the guys in the office yesterday and we were saying that the reason that 16 and 17 year olds and sort of under 20 year olds are on less of a minimum wage is because they're still finding their feet.
Speaker BThey're coming into the job market, it's going to first job.
Speaker BThey're not going to have the life experiences that others of an old age has.
Speaker BSo there comes a level of time frame where these youngsters are really finding out about the working environment and the changes that it is from, from coming from education into work.
Speaker BSo, you know, I understand that not everybody, and it's difficult to tar everybody with the same brush because there will be people out there that are hard working and some of them do the same jobs and, and they should be paid respectively for that job that they do, but only once they reach that level of expertise.
Speaker BAnd the fact that, you know that you can ask them to do the job day in, day out without that, that level of, of oversight that, you know, because for a young person working in a business there's certain things that you have to do as an employer as well to make sure that one.
Speaker BThey can be left on their own or whether or not they can't be left on their own because they're under a certain age, if they're at school, they can only work so many hours.
Speaker BYou have to try and factor that around your business as well.
Speaker BThere's lots of changes an employer has to make for that.
Speaker BSo, so that lower wage represents the additional, the extra training, the, the personal development that you're going to help that youngster go through so that they can become a truly valued and independent member of staff that the business can rely on.
Speaker AShe's all about the kids, isn't she, Rachel?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BWhat I don't get is she's saying that everybody will have an apprenticeship if they haven't been in a work, was it 18 months or something like that.
Speaker BThey're going to get paid apprenticeships and paid into work by who?
Speaker BWith what?
Speaker BYeah, I just don't get it.
Speaker BJust because she says that they're going to create apprenticeships in the workplace because they've put that rate up now to starting at eight pounds an hour.
Speaker BWhat employer?
Speaker BAll these jobs from all these employers to offer employment.
Speaker BSo difficult, really difficult.
Speaker BAnd so another one of the changes that, that she's made is to directors.
Speaker AIf you're a limited company director, like, she's absolutely shafted you.
Speaker AYeah, she couldn't have done anything worse, I don't think.
Speaker ALike, it's just insane.
Speaker AAnd again, it's the people that work hard.
Speaker AIt's never like the million billionaires that seem to get, you know, high rates of tax.
Speaker AJust you're not your normal person.
Speaker ABut yeah, if you are a limited company director, then yeah.
Speaker BFrom April your dividend rates are going to increase by 2%.
Speaker BSo they're moving from 8.75 to 10.75% and then the, the higher rate is moving from 33.75 to 35.75%.
Speaker BBut the height, the additional, staying the same.
Speaker BBut I mean, if you're taking the additional rates, I mean you're on an awful lot of money for that to.
Speaker AHasn't she.
Speaker AI thought she'd raised the high rate tax band by 2% as well.
Speaker ASo yes, if you are a limited company director, you are going to feel the pinch come next April with those changes.
Speaker ALike, what can you do?
Speaker BMy one warning to directors and landlords is remember your payments on account because your tax is going to go up.
Speaker BSo will the.
Speaker BIt's on account that you need to make.
Speaker BSo it's going to be a double whammy.
Speaker BJust bear that in mind.
Speaker BYou need to start saving that little bit extra because that first payment on account is going to take into account 2% rise plus the 2% in advance that you'll need to pay as well.
Speaker BRaising those payments on account.
Speaker AAgain, I think it's just making limited companies less attractive.
Speaker AShe did it last year and now she's done that, it's going to get to the point where people aren't going to be limited, they'll just be a sole trader.
Speaker ABecause it'll get to the point where it's not going to make any difference whether you're either or no.
Speaker BI mean, you know, you don't pay national insurance on, on the, on the dividends anyway.
Speaker BSo there is that saving grace.
Speaker BBut what you're getting is we still have to pay corporation tax.
Speaker BNow corporation tax is at the highest, it's Been in God knows how many years.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd it's as high as 25%.
Speaker BSo whilst you may look and think right, well a director is only paying 10.75% tax on their dividends, but they've had to pay 25% tax on their profits of their company to start with.
Speaker BSo you know, it's, it's, it's not this, this, this golden egg that kill.
Speaker BWe, we do pay other taxes in other areas before we're even able to take that money out of the business.
Speaker BSo that's, that's going to catch a lot of people out.
Speaker BNow landlords have also been.
Speaker BWell, she, the, the 2% that she added on.
Speaker BAgain, landlords don't pay national insurance contributions.
Speaker BHowever, in order to become a landlord, first of all you got to acquire the property.
Speaker BSo there is, you've had to invest and save and, and work at how you get the property portfolio to start with.
Speaker BSo these are people that, yeah, you know, I, I get to get extreme end things are handed down as inheritance and all the rest of it.
Speaker BSo there are those type of people, but then there's others that, that, that may have inherited the, you know, the parents house that they're now renting out as that little bit of extra income.
Speaker BThere could be people out there that are looking as property developers that have flipped a house and got their next one and worked damn hard to get two or three houses because that's what they do day in, day out.
Speaker BSo that's their business.
Speaker BAnd you know, then there's the risks of the tenants trashing the houses and all of the new rights that they're bringing in.
Speaker BIt really doesn't make sense these days to, to be a landlord.
Speaker BAnd you know, you, you put this property, this asset at risk every time that you get a new tenant in and you don't know how they're going to treat the property.
Speaker BAnd, and you know, there's, there's things along those lines.
Speaker BBut, but in terms of what's going to happen is that there's a new taxation rate that's gone live for landlords and the, the tax now on your property income, whether you've got one property or multiples, is 22% as the basic rate.
Speaker BAnd then I want to say, is it 40, 43?
Speaker AYeah, I was going to say 42 or 43.
Speaker BI think it's 43 because I looked at, I thought that's a bit weak.
Speaker BIt's not 42, but I think it's 43% as a higher rate taxpayer and servers as well.
Speaker BSo previously, your savings, once you've used your savings allowance, which is up to 1,000 pounds a year, once you've used that, you were then taxed at the 20% on savings.
Speaker BIf you've now got any savings, they're going to be taxed at 22% to start with.
Speaker BSo she's hit savers, she's hit landlords and she's hit directors.
Speaker BAnd then she's gone and done a really good one where she's decided that if you have got savings, she wants another little bit of that pie to stop you from saving as much next year, because she's changed the amounts of which you can save in a cash isa.
Speaker BSo what she's decided to do is everybody had an annual allowance of £20,000 that they could decide a split how they wanted, whether it be in a stocks and shares ISA or a cash isa, but combined, you are allowed to mix and match and put £20,000 a year away into these ISAs.
Speaker BNow, she said cash ISAs £12,000, so she's reduced £8,000.
Speaker BAnd what she says, if you want to use that £8,000, you can put it into a stocks and shares ISA so that you still keep your 20, but you're now limited of what you can put into a cash isa.
Speaker BNow, personally, if you're putting things into stocks and shares, they're at a much higher risk than a cash isa.
Speaker BAnd if you don't know what you're doing, you can actually lose money, not gain money.
Speaker AAnd I build stocks and shares isa.
Speaker BSo you know.
Speaker BBut, but.
Speaker BSo, no, I say there's ISA and then go on to an app like Trading212 or.
Speaker BOr what's the other one that everybody uses?
Speaker AI only know the trade in 21.
Speaker A21, yeah.
Speaker BBut basically you pick what shares you want to buy, you stick your money in and then you hope for the best that the stock market goes up.
Speaker BBut the stock market goes up and down and something that Donald Trump does in America will affect the stocks in the UK and a budget will affect the stocks.
Speaker BAll of a sudden, if you've got an economy crash, anything that's in the stocks and shares ISA is at risk.
Speaker BAnything that's in your cash ISA is protected.
Speaker ASo.
Speaker BShe'S forcing people into investing into stocks and shares without being able to provide the guidance and training of what you should be doing.
Speaker AOn this financial advisor, we do work with one called Romani, she's in the group.
Speaker AShe's also called the finance woman on Instagram and She's actually going to be doing a segment at next year's expo all around how to make your money work better for you.
Speaker ASo she's going to be talking about stocks and shares, ISAs and premium bonds and all these other things that you can do with your money rather than just putting it in a cash ISA or just putting it in a pension.
Speaker ASo if you are one of those people that wants to find out more then definitely give her a shout and book an appointment with her or see you at next year's expo because she knows her stuff.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnother one of the things that has changed this year is the salary sacrifice.
Speaker BSo this is where employers use what's called a salary sacrifice scheme to provide their employees with a pension.
Speaker BNow there's a couple of different pensions that they can use but the reason that they use a salary sacrifice is because they don't have to pay national insurance contributions or taxes on the money that they paying to an employee's pension.
Speaker BSo it's an allowable cost.
Speaker BThey save money and they don't have to pay the national insurance contributions.
Speaker BWhat's happened now is that Rachel Reeves has decided that we don't like that because people are saving too much money.
Speaker BThe employees are also benefiting from this.
Speaker BSo it's not just one sided.
Speaker BWhat generally happens is if an employer does salary sacrifice the money that would have been spent on on the tax on national insurance that would have been due on if it was wages the employee gets in their pension pot so that it boost, it boosts their pension and they don't have to pay as much in to get more out.
Speaker BWhat she's now said is that you can only do a maximum of £2,000 on salary sacrifice and anything over that 2,000 the employee squat being taxed is subject to national insurance contributions.
Speaker BSo it's costing the employer more and it's also costing the employee more to do it just every which way that you know that people have tried to set these things up to serve for the future to to.
Speaker BTo.
Speaker BTo give themselves a nice retirement.
Speaker BShe has.
Speaker AShe's t. He voted for labor.
Speaker AHe bloody voted for Lord.
Speaker AI want to know.
Speaker AHe rode for these absolute buffoons.
Speaker BThese I am text message.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ASo it's not for me.
Speaker BNo.
Speaker BOne of the other things that has has raised up in this budget is if you have an electric car.
Speaker AOh and guess what I've just bought electric car.
Speaker BUp until this extend the.
Speaker ARack, set it back.
Speaker BMade perfect sense for a limited company.
Speaker BIf you're a director of a limited company because you could get an electric car, the benefit in kind tax is really nice and low and you know your business can pay for the car and it's an allowable expense of the business.
Speaker BNow what's happened charging.
Speaker BSo even if you've got an electric business van, it doesn't matter whether you're a sole trader or a limited company, if you've got an electric vehicle car van doesn't matter.
Speaker BYou will have to pay 3 pence for every single mile traveled in that electric vehicle.
Speaker AHow long are they checking it though?
Speaker BRight, so I've had a quick look into this because I wasn't sure how this was going to happen.
Speaker AThey don't get MOT Shirley, because they don't have an engine.
Speaker BNo, they will because it still has to be roadworthy.
Speaker BSo what generally will happen is that you will self declare an estimate of the number of miles that you will do in the year and you pay that money to hmrc.
Speaker BThen at the end of the year if you overestimated the difference will roll on to the next year.
Speaker BIf you underestimated then you have to pay the difference at that point to HMRC as well as estimating the following years.
Speaker ASo payment on account for a mileage.
Speaker BKind of but basic but, but based on the number of miles that you do.
Speaker BNow the issue that you've got is if you're like me, I live in the country, my nearest town for me to go and get like decent shop is 15 miles away.
Speaker BSo that's 30 mile round trip every single day if I need to go in into Carlisle.
Speaker BSo if you live in the country you are going to inherently use your car more for day to day thing.
Speaker BYou know your necessities and now you're having to pay 3 pence per mile for every mile that you've traveled in a car that the government actively encouraged you to buy because was betterment and overall it'll cost you cheaper now if you already charge.
Speaker BSo if you charge up at home and you use the, the.
Speaker BSo if you charge up at home you're already paying 5% VAT on the, the electric you putting in your car.
Speaker BIf you charge up at one of the charging stations like on a forecourt or a service station, not only are you paying a higher rate but you're actually paying 20% VAT on the electricity that you're charging with a car with anyway so.
Speaker BSo the government is already getting money from the EV market via, via VAT.
Speaker AOn from 10 pound to 625 pound.
Speaker BSo you know they are collecting money and what's going to happen is, is that these cars are going to become more and more expensive to run and there comes a cutoff where now I know that they are trying to phase out petrol and diesel engines from 20, 30, 30, I think it is off the top of my head.
Speaker BBut realistically an electric car at the moment are more expensive than these cars.
Speaker BYou've now got a pay per mile.
Speaker BAnd remember, it doesn't matter whether these miles are done in the UK or whether you do them abroad, you're still being taxed 3 pence a mile for all the miles that you do in the year, regardless of what country you're doing them in.
Speaker BSo this system, and I know there's been some uproar as well because there's a lot of things that people saying, well that's not fair and you're absolutely right, it's not fair.
Speaker BSo, but, but again these are going to impact businesses because businesses have plug in hybrids, have electric vans, electric cars and everybody that's got an electric vehicle from 2028 will need to pay this three pence or one and a half pence per mile, depending on what vehicle that you've got.
Speaker AYou know what I think the solution is?
Speaker BChange government.
Speaker AMe and you should run for prime for Prime Minister.
Speaker AEveryone get voting.
Speaker AVicky for Prime Minister for whenever the election is 2029.
Speaker AThis is what we're going for, guys.
Speaker AVicky for Prime Ministers.
Speaker AWipe everything, start again.
Speaker AWe could start a petition, that'd be fabulous.
Speaker BI think a couple of the other ones that they've done is customs duty.
Speaker BOkay, so customs duty on packages.
Speaker BOne of the things that she mentioned was that she wants to make sure that online retailers aren't able to offer as good a discounts.
Speaker BThey have to compete closer to physical retail stores on prices.
Speaker BAnd to do that, what she's done is that any goods that are now imported into the country from these online retailers, they have to pay import duty regardless of the value of the package.
Speaker BNow previously they could import a certain amount.
Speaker BIf it was below a certain value, it would come in free of duty because that now it doesn't matter what value the package is, they have to pay duty.
Speaker BIt's going to push the prices up.
Speaker BSo you guys are paying more for it and therefore it's more comparable with a shop.
Speaker BSo give us with one hand, take away with the other.
Speaker BYou all get a nice new pay rise with the nice amount of wage.
Speaker BBut your stuff from TEMU is going to cost you more.
Speaker ASo I know you Watching this.
Speaker AShe buys a lot of stuff from timu.
Speaker AYeah, all gone up.
Speaker BAnd that's the problem, isn't it?
Speaker BIt's, it's all stealth.
Speaker BWhy can't they just be honest with it and just say, look what we're doing?
Speaker ABecause people don't make promises.
Speaker ADon't make promises that they might not be able to keep.
Speaker AShe could have just said, well, look, I'll try my best to keep taxes and stuff down, but obviously I can't promise that.
Speaker AAnd then that.
Speaker ADo you know, I'd more vote for someone like that who was just honest and said, look, this is what we'll try and do, but obviously we can't promise because we don't know what the state of the finances are until we get in at a government.
Speaker ASo I'm not going to promise you, but I promise you I'll try my best.
Speaker AI'd rather vote for someone like that than someone that sits there and goes, I'm not going to freeze the tax wrestle when she's done and I'm not going, I'm going to be all for the working person, except the only person she's ruined is the working person.
Speaker ASo, yeah, they just live on cloud Cthulhu land and they're 3 million pound housings.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BAnd that's the problem is it is there's a lot with this budget and there's certain group of people that it affects more than others.
Speaker AMy worry is what the hell is she going to do on the next one?
Speaker ABecause she's pretty much taxed everything.
Speaker AObviously.
Speaker AThe good news is, guys, she has not lowered the VAT threshold, which was a big rumor going around that she was going to lower it to 30 grand.
Speaker AI personally, I was thinking about this last night, whether she was going to do that, but with making Tax Digital coming into play next year, I think she's thought, well, hang on a minute, if I lower the VAT threshold now, it's going to throw everyone into chaos when making Tax Digital is coming into play in less than 12 months.
Speaker ASo do we wait until that's all settled and then lower the VAT threshold?
Speaker AIt wouldn't surprise me if she did it, but she hasn't.
Speaker ASo it's still at 90,000, so we don't have to worry about that.
Speaker AWhich I know was a big rumor, but I reckon, I reckon MTD's got something to play with that and she's probably thought, oh, can you imagine if they loaded the 30 grand?
Speaker AThat would pretty much be like 90% of our clients would have to go that registered.
Speaker AI'd quit.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AI'd be like, sorry Lee, I'm not.
Speaker BI think it's going to be tax digital to begin with because of the submissions need to be done.
Speaker BSo it is, it's going to be a tough, a tough few months from April with, with and, and a learning curve for everybody as well.
Speaker BThat, that is over the 50,000 pound threshold because this is something not had to do before.
Speaker BAnd from April it's, it's mandatory and it's going to be done every once.
Speaker BSo it's going to be hard getting into the habit of making sure that the records are ready to submit every three months.
Speaker AAnd those of you who are clients of ours who are earning over 50 grand, you will be getting an email office in the very near future just to let you know what your options are with regards to that and what you need to do.
Speaker ABut it's coming for everyone so it's, you know, I wouldn't have the attitude of oh well next year it's not going to affect me because it will air after and it comes around pretty quick.
Speaker ASo if you're not on software.
Speaker AYeah, I think by 2029 everyone will be on it.
Speaker ABut if you're not on software at the minute then please, please research it and look into it.
Speaker AI think we did a podcast a few months ago on the different softwares that are out there.
Speaker AFree agent being I think the top one that our clients use to be fair.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd it's free with a metal account so it's well worth it.
Speaker AThe no brainer.
Speaker AAnd like I say, when it becomes compulsory next April, if I was a software company that had a software that people are going to have to use, guess what I would do?
Speaker AHike the prices up because they've got no choice.
Speaker BI think we're already at 000's done.
Speaker AIt for the last year and a half.
Speaker AThey keep putting their prices up.
Speaker AFree agent to be fair, have only put their prices up like a pound or something whereas 0 put them up an absolute fortune.
Speaker BBut why wouldn't you though as well?
Speaker BBecause they, they sent an email out to their, to their accountants for wholesale prices and on one, sorry, QuickBooks, and on one of plans they had doubled it from 10 pound a month to 20 pound a month and they literally doubled the fees for the software.
Speaker AI didn't pay £2amonth.
Speaker BNo.
Speaker BBut I think everybody is hiking the.
Speaker APrice because it's compulsory.
Speaker ASo imagine if dog grooming or dog walking became compulsory.
Speaker AYou're going to Put your prices up because people have got no choice.
Speaker ASo with free agent you can get it free with a metal RBS on NatWest bank account.
Speaker ASo makes sense to get that done quickly before they decide, well actually we're going to start putting our prices up.
Speaker BIf during the 24, 25 tax year.
Speaker BSo that's the one that's ended in April just gone self assessment have been until January of that's coming, just coming.
Speaker BBut if you don't have a separate business bank account, now is the time to get it because bank accounts, depending on what bank or building society you go to aren't instant.
Speaker BSo they will take several weeks to get open depending on who you go to for that bank account.
Speaker BSo start planning now because when April comes around and you've got to start doing those submissions, if your income is muddled in with your personal transactions, you're making life much, much more difficult for yourself.
Speaker BYou're adding extra work to muddle through what is business and what is personal and you're going to be adding hours and hours to your admin time.
Speaker BSo start the planning process now.
Speaker BGet yourself a separate business bank account.
Speaker BLook like Metal Starling.
Speaker BThere's this.
Speaker BThere's absolutely loads out there that offers different things, you know, some are free, some are charging you but to have a little look what's best for you and then, and then just the only thing is, is make sure that it's a separate business bank account just to make life easier for your account and for yourself.
Speaker AI think a lot of accounts now probably won't take people on that had mixed it up because we especially with the digital because it's just, it is a faff.
Speaker ASo yes, do that.
Speaker AOther than that.
Speaker ASorry to be the bearer of bad news on this lovely sunny Thursday afternoon, but it is what it is.
Speaker AThere's nothing we could do about it other than maybe vote more sensibly next time and not let labor in.
Speaker AAlthough I'd be very surprised if they do get back in.
Speaker ABut we'll see.
Speaker AI think they're all crap.
Speaker ASo yeah, I don't think it doesn't matter who's in there.
Speaker AThey're going to put taxes and stuff up.
Speaker AIt's inevitable.
Speaker ASo we can't stop it.
Speaker ABut it just means that we've got to plan better and work our businesses better, which is why you need to know your figures and need to know where you need to be and what you need to earn and make sure that you're pricing yourself properly and not undervaluing yourself.
Speaker ASo it becomes even more important to do that even more now because of what she's done.
Speaker ASo, yeah, yeah, make sure to prop their bank account because there's some weird, wonderful ones out there.
Speaker BYes, the likes of a Revolut.
Speaker BThey aren't protected.
Speaker BIf you put your money in that, it may not be protected up to the 85, 000 pounds.
Speaker BSo just double check with who you're opening the bank account with because if the bank collapses I and it's not part of that scheme, then your money is potentially gone.
Speaker BSo just make sure they've got a proper banking license and that the first 85,000 is protected.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAnd if you do need financial advice, please let Romney know or hit her up on the finance woman on Instagram.
Speaker AI think she had from the Expo when she did her talk on pensions and income protection.
Speaker AI think she's had 25 calls booked in a long week.
Speaker AIt just goes to show.
Speaker AYeah, it's good going.
Speaker ASo income protection, pensions, you know, figuring out what you need to do with your money.
Speaker AThen make sure you've got a really, really good financial advisor that knows what they're talking about and can properly direct you what to do with your money.
Speaker ASo make sure you check her out and make sure you get a ticket for next year's expo, 3rd of October 2026.
Speaker AAnd a lot of people, they are on sale now and I think a lot of people got FOMO from this one because they were like, I don't know what this is, you know, maybe it's going to be crap.
Speaker AAnd it wasn't crap.
Speaker AIt was absolutely brilliant.
Speaker AAnd the socials went absolutely mad the day off and the day after and for a few days after that.
Speaker AI mean, the feedback was insane and we've got, I don't want to say a better lineup because the lineup this year was great.
Speaker AJust, just, just as good.
Speaker ALike we've just got an amazing lineup of people for next year.
Speaker AI've hopefully on the cusp of getting someone pretty big that's going to be a keynote speaker for next year.
Speaker AJust waiting to finalize those details and we'll let you know who that is.
Speaker ABut this is one not to be missed.
Speaker AAnd if you got FOMO from this year's, you will 100% get FOMO for next year's.
Speaker ASo please, please, honestly.
Speaker AOh, it was the best I've ever been to.
Speaker AThank you so much.
Speaker AWe did get overwhelming sort of feedback from it.
Speaker AWe just obviously it's the first event we've ever done of that size and and loads of things could have gone wrong and it just.
Speaker AIt went like clockwork and everyone raved about it.
Speaker ASo make sure you get your ticket for next year at the Pet Pro Expo as well.
Speaker ASo, yes, 200 is gone and we're already nearly halfway sold out.
Speaker BYeah, we'll be at capacity and there won't be any more.
Speaker AWe can't, can't squeeze any more in.
Speaker ASo get your ticket, the website petroexpo.co.uk.
Speaker Atickets and grab yours.
Speaker AYou can spread the payments out.
Speaker ASo don't worry.
Speaker AThere is an option on there to contact us to let us spread them out for you.
Speaker ASo you can get a ticket or send us Christmas.
Speaker BSo you've also got Klarna on there as well.
Speaker BSo we've tried to expand the way that we are able to take payment.
Speaker AYeah, Klarna's credit cards, Apple Pay, Google Pay and then like I say, there's a tick button on there just to do it through us personally.
Speaker AAnd we can spread the cost over a few months.
Speaker ASo again, don't get FOMO because they will go.
Speaker AOkay.
Speaker AIt was the first thing I'd been to like that and it was great.
Speaker ALots of information.
Speaker ASlowly working through the speakers videos.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AMy only downside to the whole thing was I probably squeezed too many speakers into one day.
Speaker AI think I got over excited of doing something and probably just crammed too many people in.
Speaker ASo next year we will have a couple less longer breaks and more time with the speakers.
Speaker BThe own great time as well.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ASo learning curve, don't try and CRAM, you know, 30 people into one day because it didn't work.
Speaker ABut they were all amazing and everyone kept concentration till the end of the day.
Speaker ABut yes, we'll have few less speakers and more space and time.
Speaker BThat was really nice as well, I must admit.
Speaker AI mean, I was, you know, you never know, do you?
Speaker ABecause sometimes, like Buffy, food's shit.
Speaker ABut it was, it was, it was lovely.
Speaker AEveryone was raving about the chips.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AAnd there's extra things for next year's as well.
Speaker ASo we've got an implementation webinar for afterwards for everyone to catch up and put into practice what they've learned.
Speaker AWe're going to do a panel Q and A at the end so people can throw questions at all the speakers and we're going to have a networking party afterwards where we all get drunk and mingle.
Speaker ASo there we go.
Speaker AA few extra bits for next year as well.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ABe there or be square.
Speaker AFairly October.
Speaker BWell, with parking, we.
Speaker BIt's Initially I thought, oh Christ.
Speaker BSeparate parking from the venues.
Speaker AI thought that as well.
Speaker BCross the road.
Speaker BIt was literally a two minute walk, multi story car park straight into the hotel attached to the venue.
Speaker BI mean outside you didn't, you didn't have to go outside if you do.
Speaker BAnd it was, it was brilliant.
Speaker AThe cookies were good as well.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ABecause I, I thought, because obviously we have to pay for like the food and drink and stuff and they said like morning coffees and pastries.
Speaker AI thought they would like cut it off.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ABut they didn't.
Speaker AThey just kept on topping the coffee machine up and would bring cookies out and pastries throughout the day and I thought, oh, bloody hell.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ASo no, venue was really, really good.
Speaker ASo it's east side rooms in Birmingham, 3rd of October.
Speaker ASo yeah.
Speaker AOh, someone's put, got my appointment with room and he stay.
Speaker AFabulous.
Speaker AGood.
Speaker AShe's amazing.
Speaker ASo.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ASo get your tickets, have a listen if you're watching on replay.
Speaker AI'm driving next year.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ATrust us to have a bloody first event when this bloody storm hits.
Speaker ABloody storm cold.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAnd I thought, oh, here we, here we go.
Speaker ANo one's going to turn up.
Speaker ABut like there's about 180 people at Brave de Weather and it was amazing.
Speaker AAnd we all got drunk on Saturday, so.
Speaker AAnd everyone mingled.
Speaker AIt was just nice, it was just a nice atmosphere.
Speaker ASo we'll have the same again next year please peoples, and we'll see you there.
Speaker BAnd it's different speakers, different topics again.
Speaker BSo if you did go this year, you, you're going to pick up something different next year because that's the aim of it is that we'll try and change it up every year.
Speaker BAnd again, you know, we may have some of the same speakers back those, that, that, that were received exceptionally well last year.
Speaker BSo.
Speaker BBut, but we will have new speakers, new topics.
Speaker ASo for everybody, whether you're a groomer or walker boarder.
Speaker AI do try and get speakers from across the land that aren't just focused on one specific industry.
Speaker ASo again that's something I'm trying to do.
Speaker ASo there'll be someone there for everybody.
Speaker AAnd I say they're all generic business topics so don't worry what it is you do, they should all be relevant to your business.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ABut other than that, guys, we're gonna skedaddle and we.
Speaker AOh, we won't be here next week because my mum's getting married so I will be at her wedding next Thursday.
Speaker AMaybe I'll do a live from there.
Speaker BLive in.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker ALive of Jude getting married.
Speaker AMaybe we'll do that just for a laugh.
Speaker ABut yes, other than that, we'll see you the week after and then we'll be having a couple of weeks after over Christmas.
Speaker BBut we will.
Speaker BWe are closed over Christmas and so we close our doors round about the 19th of December.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker BAnd that's going to be us until around about the 4th of January.
Speaker BSo payroll, if you are a payroll client, where Jodie's going to be reaching out to you just to get your payroll hours before we break up so the payrolls can be run.
Speaker BIf you're a self assessment client and you haven't got your paperwork into it yet, please, please send that in before the end of this month because there comes a point where we just can't get through all of the work in time.
Speaker BSo really, really important, many hours in it, didn't it?
Speaker BWe need those records in like underlying matter of priority.
Speaker AIf there's any reason why you can't again, just, just let us know, reach out so at least we can plan rather than have everyone do it in January.
Speaker ASo just, yeah, give us a ring, drop us an email.
Speaker AYeah, yeah, try and get it in people.
Speaker BGrand.
Speaker BFantastic.
Speaker BThank you very much.
Speaker ADon't like working at Christmas.
Speaker BNot work at Christmas this year.
Speaker BI need some time off.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ABut have a good week everyone.
Speaker AHope you enjoyed listening.
Speaker ARemember to subscribe to the podcast, the Pet Out Podcast and we'll catch you in a couple of weeks.
Speaker BCiao for now.
Speaker AThanks for listening.
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