There's so many loud voices in this ecosystem of the Internet going, well, you need to do this to go viral.

You need to do this trend in order to do this.

And it becomes too much stuff.

It's like walking into your house and seeing that it's totally a mess and going, I don't even know where to start because there's so many things here.

So when it comes to creating content that works for you, it's going, what is the smallest viable audience that I can have that's going to get me the results that I need?

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Your voice matters.

Hey, everybody.

Welcome back to Podcast Coaching for Kingdom Entrepreneurs.

And you guys.

I am excited to interview Kabrina Ashley with me today.

She is a communication strategist.

And I, I know we are just coming off of this series of finding your voice and what does that look like?

And Cabrina is going to be this amazing resource to just tack onto this and really actually get traction from our content creation in our podcast moving forward.

So welcome to the show.

Yeah, thanks for having me.

I'm excited to be here.

Yes.

I'm, I'm so excited to learn right along with everybody that is listening.

I would love for you to first introduce yourself to us in our audience today.

Yeah.

So, hey, everybody, I'm Cabrina Ashley.

I've been in the online space for almost 13 years, which is crazy, and have really seen it go from, oh, you have a website to, oh my gosh, you don't have a website.

And it's been really fun to see people grow over the last decade.

And so I got into this space totally by happenstance.

I was actually working at Disney full time and planned on having a full career, being the first female CEO at Disney, and then came home to finish college, got married, and seven months later found out was pregnant.

Like, oh no, what do I do now?

Because I never planned on being a mom that was not part of my five year plan and backtrack and go, well, what does this look like now?

Yeah.

So I got into the online space by applying for anything that was remote after teaching sign language and having my second child, who then my first was running out the door while I was teaching and I was like, I can't do this anymore.

I'm too thin for this.

So I got hired on by a company that you may have heard of called ConvertKit.

And they were like, hey, you know, you don't know how to code.

You don't know any of these things.

But we like the fact that you've got Disney on your resume and we can teach you how to code.

We can't teach you how to be a nice person.

And I was like, oh, interesting.

And so I put that in the back of my mind of like, okay, niceness.

Like, it works still.

And so I ended up learning very, very quickly.

I worked for eight to nine hours a day, and I was like, okay, well, I'm going to teach myself how to code.

Because that was back when we had to code templates, we had to code emails, we had to do all the things.

So when people were asking me questions, I was like, let me go find out.

And so that was the start of my entrepreneurial journey because I was technically a freelancer at this job, which I to me, didn't mean anything.

I was like, I'm an employee of this job, just with a different tax return that I have to do.

Yeah.

As people started asking, do you do consulting on the side?

Would you consider helping me a little bit more on this?

Because I would give just a tiny bit more information than what a customer success person would normally do.

So I was like, ooh, what is this consulting thing?

I mean, I've heard about corporate training and being brought in by corporations to do it, which is what my goal was in college.

But then I was like, ooh, what is this other thing that I can do?

And so I started researching and ended up building a business and then woke up one day and was like, oh, I guess I'm an entrepreneur now.

And not really even realizing what I had done in the process of it.

So there was no like, I'm gonna start a business moment.

Like there is for so many people.

I was just like, oh, I'm just trying to survive as a mom and the next single mom.

I'm like, okay, well, what does it look like to be full time in a business, have five munchkins that depend on me and grow in a way that is not me being connected to my screen all the time.

Yeah.

Oh, I know that there's so many moms that resonate with that of like, how do I grow my business and don't.

I'm not connected to my phone.

Oh, yeah, you're not alone in that.

So where are you right now?

Who do you serve and what is, like, your main message for people?

Yeah, so I struggled with this for a really long time, especially because I didn't just wake up one day and decide that I wanted to start a business.

And what I figured out over time and seeing all the patterns that happen.

And for those people who are listening that are like, I don't know exactly what.

How to answer this question is, my biggest thing was I wanted to be seen and I wanted to be heard.

And so everything I do in my business is to help other people be seen and heard because it's so important in what we do.

And so I specifically serve entrepreneurs and teach them how to tell better stories.

How do we convert, how do we show up authentically?

But then how do we also do that systematically to where I can take a month vacation and walk away and things still work without me so that I'm the CEO instead of the freelancer doing the work all of the time.

Yeah, I love that because it was like, such a natural transition for you to see, a need to let it feed into your own passion of being seen, being heard, and being known, which fun fact that is like the undercurrent of my podcast.

That is my tagline, be seen, be heard, be known on internal and external.

So we've got to bring that authentic self and our own process to be able to do that externally.

So I love that you just perfectly brought all of that together.

And I think it goes so well with, like I was saying in our podcast series, recently, we have been doing a deep dive into finding your voice and storytelling.

And I think that you do this really well.

And I love what you say in your bio, from trend chaser to trendsetter.

And I think that's exactly where everybody who is listening wants to put their stamp of uniqueness in their content creation.

And which is using your voice, which is being seen, being heard, being known.

So let's dive into that of, like, how can we.

How can we help our podcasters that are listening really tap into that authentic place of content creation?

Yeah.

And so I've had this conversation a lot lately, especially I've been running a challenge called scene in 13, where it's all about 13 days of just showing up.

And one of the things that people have kept coming back to me because I'm asking every single time I run it, what are the things that you're the most afraid of?

And they're saying, I'm afraid that I'm not going to be able to show up enough.

I'm afraid that it's going to take up all of my time and, you know, I don't know what to post.

And it's because there's so many loud voices in this ecosystem of the Internet going, well, you need to do this to go viral.

You need to do this trend in order to do this.

And it becomes too much stuff.

It's like walking into your house and seeing that it's totally a mess and going, I don't even know where to start because there's so many things here.

So when it comes to creating content that works for you, it's going, what is the smallest viable audience that I can have that's going to get me the results that I need?

So there's a band that actually has a podcast as well called Jukebox the Ghost.

And I found it totally by accident, looking for something else and was like, ooh, a podcast.

And the first episode they talk about, you only need a thousand to three thousand people.

And they've been in this for 15 years.

They are not the biggest band.

You probably don't know who they are, but they have made it to where they have a crew, they've got the three guys on band and they've made a full time living doing this.

Are they the biggest person?

Are they Gary Vee or are they Taylor Swift?

No, but they've done what they needed to do to have the life that they want.

And it really comes down to first going, what kind of life do I want?

Do I want to be the biggest and the best like Gary Vee and show up like that?

Or do I want to just have my niche in the world, that this is where I've carved out my.

Somebody referred to it one time as the.

My house in the neighborhood on the Internet.

And I've always loved that idea of like, this is my neighborhood.

Not everybody knows where I live, not everybody needs to know where I live.

But the people who do, we have really good parties here.

And so saying, do I want to have that little bit?

Because not everybody starts a business and wants to necessarily be famous.

They just want to show up and they want to help the people that they seek to serve.

So answering that question first will then give us a really good idea of what kind of content do we want to create and how much content do we want to create?

Because if you're like me and you're a one or two person band that's getting out there into the world and you've got just a couple of people under you or you don't have anybody that's employed under you.

Yet it's really difficult.

Like, I have to remind people all the time, Gary Vee has 30 people on his social.

On just his socials, there's 30 humans run his social media.

And so if I could just show up like him, if I could just do all these things and then we compare ourselves not knowing that we're comparing apples to oranges.

Yeah, I love that.

And it is such a reality check of those influencers, those podcasters, those coaches, the authors.

You don't realize the whole team that goes on behind that whole process.

And that's part of my story was back in 2016-2020, was I was part of a behind the scenes podcast experience.

So I helped two podcast hosts with their top podcast.

But I was the one that was reading the books, I was the one that was scheduling.

They didn't have time for that.

And that is totally understandable.

And just having that reality check of like, yeah, most of the people that are at the top, they've got a whole slew of people to help them with their marketing, their messaging, their content creation.

So, yeah, okay, so recapping, you were saying that first we start with what is the life that we want to live?

So if a podcaster is listening and they're thinking, okay, I don't want to have to be on my phone 24 7, I would love to just record my podcast.

I don't have to be on social media longer than I have to.

How do I, how do I work myself backwards from there?

So one of the things that I ask my one on one clients all the time is in our first meeting, we'll go, what kind of life do you want to live?

And what would the perfect day look like if everything worked like you wanted it to work?

And most people don't ask themselves this question.

They're just like, well, I just want all these things to be happening without consideration of what it takes to get all those things to happen.

So then we work backwards and we say, okay, well if you want to be posting X amount of times on Instagram or TikTok or Twitter or whatever it is that your platform is, how do we get that done?

And so my job as I started as a technologist, so creating tech stacks for entrepreneurs.

And what I'll go through is I'll go, what are we using already that we're already paying for?

So do you have ConvertKit?

Do you have something?

One of my favorite things in the whole world is called Cast Magic.

You can pop a video into It.

It will transcribe the whole thing.

It'll find you those little tidbits of amazingness, and then it will give you captions from that transcription.

So we're not just shoving something into something like ChatGPT and going, Give me a caption for blank.

We're using your words in order to do it, which is lovely.

And so you're gonna have to do a little bit of editing, but that makes the process so much faster.

And when I was training my assistant to edit the podcast, I was like, how do I make this so easy that I could get a podcast recorded and then hand it off to her and have her edit it within an hour?

That was my goal.

And so we started to whittle away, and we've got it at about 45 minutes now.

Using Cast Magic, Cap Cut, and Minvo.

Oh, Menvo.

Yeah.

So Minvo is actually something that is kind of like those short pieces that Cast Magic does.

Okay.

Little emojis and sounds and things into the video to keep people engaged, which I absolutely love.

And in some I've watched my friends do with bigger and better systems and a person who does all the video pieces, and I'm like, I just don't have the patience or the time for that.

So how do I create enough content in order for me to be seen in the way that I want to?

Because the great thing about showing up, even if we're showing up in a tiny bit, is that it has interest attached to it.

So if we show up consistently and say, like, as a podcaster, if I say, hey, I have a podcast, here's the kind of person that I have on.

Hey, do you know anybody else who's like this that would love to come on?

Oh, do you have somebody who you would really like us to talk to?

Why would you like to talk to that person?

What are things that people are not talking about that you wish that they would talk about?

And so the more that I have, not just the content that I'm creating, but also those engaging questions, now I'm giving people what they want, but also getting some things that I need of.

Maybe there's that one connection that somebody will say, oh, did you.

Have you ever heard of so?

And so?

You have them on the podcast, and all of a sudden it becomes a wildfire.

I've certain guests that I'm like, I don't know who this person is.

You have them on and you're like, oh, my gosh, this was amazing.

Whether it was personally for me or all of a Sudden I got a ton of new listeners.

Like, for example, I had a lawyer on my podcast and most people are like, oh, lawyers, that's not going to be fun.

But he had so many connections and he was a Taylor Swift fan too, so we got along really well and he shared it in his newsletter to his people.

And then all of a sudden I had all these lawyers listening to the podcast and I was like, oh.

And it changed the way that I was thinking about the people coming on, because the people that were coming on were always important.

But then you think about the connections beyond that and then people sharing you with other people, that's also you creating content.

But it's me, it's us making ourselves shareable for other people.

And that's what those bite sized things are.

There was a pastor, and I don't remember what his name was, but he would always say, if it's memorable, it's shareable.

If it's shareable, it's rememberable.

And so it's like, how do we become memorable in a way that's easily shared with other people so that they can basically take it like a little doggy bag after they've had an engagement to the next person?

That's so good.

I.

It makes me think of, there's a lot of podcasters that will come and have a conversation with me about Kristen.

I just don't know if I have enough content to share.

And I'm curious how you would respond, because I know that's a common question of how do I continue to keep creating content.

Whether it's in your podcast or social.

Media, you can't pour from an empty cup.

And so doing things, watching movies, going places, having experiences, even if it's just like, I know a lot of people fight me on this because they're like, well, then that costs money to go do those things.

It doesn't have to be anything crazy.

I was at a coffee shop working, actually, and I have this habit of, I always say, look up because all of my friends are really tall and they miss everything that's up because they're always so busy looking down because everybody, we're all kind of, wow.

And so I'm always like, look up.

And so I'll go to hotels and stuff like that.

And they've always got these really cool things on the ceiling and nobody sees it because of the fact that they're.

So this is where I'm going or I'm looking.

I'm just trying to watch my feet go on the path that I'M on.

And so I have a habit where I'll look around and I'll see what's around me.

Because I'm training my brain to look for content.

Because it's not just about, hey, what is the thing that's happening right now in my business?

What am I selling?

Is it a promotion that I'm trying to do?

It's also, is there something that is interesting to me that I can now hook back to my people?

So in this coffee shop on the wall, they had all these different things.

It was very eclectic.

And there was a tiny little box about this big.

And it said, leave a note.

Oh.

And I was like, okay.

Not expecting there to be anything in this box sitting there.

My friend had come to sit at coffee and work with me.

And I open up this little tab and all these notes fall out all over the table and into my hands.

Oh, my word.

And so I'm picking them up, trying to go, oh, my gosh, like, these are people's, like, secrets and memories and things.

And so I sat there and I read through each individual one.

Some of them were encouraging.

Some of them were like a note to self to come back to and to keep space for a while.

And it was really cool to see the probably 50 different notes that people had shoved into this tiny thing on the wall.

But if you paying attention, you wouldn't even see.

And then this.

My brain goes, what is this?

Like, this is just like in our business when we don't pay attention to those comments that we're getting on our posts because people are leaving us little secrets of the things that they want and the things that they need from us where we can show up in different ways.

The notes on the wall had nothing to do with my business, but because I asked myself, what is this?

Like, I was able to bring it back around.

And it wasn't content that I was necessarily looking for on purpose.

It was something that happenstance came to me because of the fact that I was willing to have my eyes open to things around me.

I think that's so powerful and just a testament of being present with where we're at.

And like you mentioned at the very beginning of that story, was being open to getting out of your routine.

But even in the routine, you can find beautiful lessons and metaphors and.

But I, I just, I love that.

Because you were open to really contemplating, like, what, what is a lesson here?

Or what am I learning in this moment that I could bring back to my listeners or my clients, wherever you want to insert that.

But I think that's so important that we miss that.

And I.

There's something that I say to, like, my podcast members is to keep a Notes app in your phone where it's like an emotional story, a funny story, a life lesson story, like, if any of those things happen, to write it down right away so you don't forget.

And we've lost that art, I think.

And it's an invitation now as we're.

We're moving into 2025, where, you know, there's so much content always being created out there, and what a beautiful opportunity to just pause and actually go inward and, you know, don't pour from an empty cup, is what you said of like, okay, what am I learning for myself?

Instead of let me go consume more information to turn around and spit out, but more of an internal reflection of, like, what is life and its lessons giving me in.

In my own experience that I could help another person.

Well, and here's the thing.

A lot of people have come to me and they're like, well, what about AI and creating all this content?

And there's so much stuff out there and it's so noisy.

This is the one kind of content that AI cannot duplicate.

It cannot talk like this because it's not going to see the.

What is this?

Like, just like you're saying with the Notes app, I have all my clients put it into a spreadsheet of here's the story.

And then there's a whole line that says, this is like.

And then what?

It's like.

And then I always tell people, you have a story, something happened, and it made you go, oh.

And so how do you find those stories?

If I would tell my spouse about it, if I would call my mom or my best friend about it, it goes into the spreadsheet because I might not know yet what that story connects to.

Yeah.

And then something will happen and I'll go, oh.

And then the more you do this, the easier it gets to not always put it in the spreadsheet, but to just remember.

But having it there now I can go back and say, hey, oh, yeah.

Remember that story when such and such happened?

And it made me feel this way because that's the other piece that AI can't do it can't go, I feel this way about the situation.

People feel the same feeling about this situation.

And so now we're comparing feelings versus the thing that's happening.

So if I want to do something with a story of I need people to buy now the story that I'm going to start looking to pick is something like a story where I didn't buy now and I had regrets about it.

So if you have bees out on your porch and you know that you need to buy some spray to get rid of them, but then you don't, you go try and do it yourself.

That's a.

I tried to do it myself and it wasn't that I could diy.

Yeah.

I needed to call a professional and to do it.

And so that's why people should buy now.

So I'm thinking about the interaction and the emotion that's coming straight through versus a story that may reflect.

And so those are two different kinds of ways that we can tell stories that AI is not going to be able to and people are going to go, ooh, it doesn't ask me if I'm doing well in the email or it doesn't say any of those lists of words that we're like, ooh, that's very much AI.

Hmm.

Yes, I know.

I feel like I have an AI sniffer of like and it's so great in some aspects.

But I love that you're, you're explaining more of like.

It's.

The AI lacks emotion and that human to human connection, which is so important, especially as podcasters.

And I want to, like, shift into a little bit deeper into the story aspect of content creation because I think in trying to establish, like, finding your voice, finding the stories that resonate with your audience, there is an art to storytelling.

So what are some of those things that you find in your coaching and your consulting that is helpful for somebody who is creating content to really learn how to tell a good story?

So one of the.

There's a couple of things.

The first thing is if it's bleeding, don't talk about it.

Because if you're still going through it, you need to have healed from at least that section that you're about to talk about before you start sharing it on the Internet.

Yeah.

Because think about if you were saying this on stage in front of people.

We don't want you to re traumatize yourself or traumatize other people from the fact that you haven't made it through it.

So that's always rule number one.

Yeah.

Rule number two is if you're afraid to tell your own personal stories and you're trying to practice, tell these tiny stories that we were just talking about.

Like, one of the things that I do with my clients is I'm like, find something obnoxious like a pen and tell me a story.

About this.

It could be anything.

And you would be impressed with how creative people get like all.

They're like, oh, this is what it's like.

And here's this thing that reminded me of this.

And so their brain is putting things together that by the end of it, you're like, oh, I see how you got there.

But I would have never gotten there myself.

Thank you for guiding me through that.

And so those are some ways that you can start doing stories.

And then the third way as you're practicing is called a three act play.

So where was I?

Where what was the transition point and where am I now?

And so consistently using that three act play of what does this look like each step of the way?

So that I can say, like, testimonials are a great example of this.

Where were you before you started doing the work?

What happened when you started doing the work that ideally that person has paid you for?

And then where are you now that you've gone through that?

And what are the successes that you've seen?

And we see this a lot.

It's actually one of the more common ones that we see.

Even when you're not realizing that you're doing it, because it's so natural for us to go through that progression.

Most movies go through a three act play progression, which is just a smaller version of the Joseph Campbell hero's journey.

There's actually 12 steps on the hero's journey.

And so when you're looking at each individual step, it can get a little overwhelming.

Unless you're writing a full book.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh, that's so helpful.

This is so great.

I just love how practical it is for us as podcasters to just sit down and really think intentionally.

I think that's where this whole message is, is just being intentional about the content that you are creating.

So, okay, so going with the storytelling and moving along the line of a funnel, because you as a podcaster, you want to connect with your audience, you want to connect with your listeners.

So how do you take them from story to connection?

Whether that's, you know, ConvertKit email or, you know, buying your product or coaching or Facebook group, How do you do that?

Well, yeah.

So having done the speaker coaching for so long and watching people get on stage and try and sell from stage, I'm a big believer in let's get them on your email list because we can always remarket to them.

If I have their email address, I can remarket to them in my email, but then I can also run ads directly to them based on that.

Email.

And I can find lookalike audiences and all kinds of really cool things about that.

So making it a mixture of that 80, 20, 20% directly selling, saying, hey, here's what's happening.

Especially when you're in the middle of a launch, maybe you have a course that you're selling from your podcast going, hey, this course is live.

Because we know that podcasts last a lot longer than other things.

Getting that, making sure that that page goes to a waitlist as soon as that's over.

So that as soon as people get in, they're getting on the waitlist or they're buying.

So that's one piece for the actual course.

But then what kind of freebie are you giving away that gives value and not just like a checklist, but I mean, like massive value.

Because how you do one thing is how you do everything.

And if I can make sure that you get into something and you're like, oh my gosh, that was really good, I got some really good wisdom pieces there.

Now I want to work with you more.

So I tend to lean my clients more towards video.

Because we know psychologically when we see somebody's face and we hear their voice, all of a sudden we're more inclined to feel like we know them.

This is why YouTubers and actors, we feel like if you come across Ryan Reynolds in the street, you're going to go, oh my God, Ryan.

And he's going to go, I have no idea who you are.

But we feel like we know him because we've watched his movies, his videos, his content, and we've watched him grow as a business owner.

And so how do we create that same thing with people?

And we can't do it just through text.

That's why podcasts are so amazing, because we've got video, we've got audio, and now we can take that content and chop it up into tiny pieces so that people can get to know us, whether they're getting us from the full piece of content or just the small one.

And going, hey, here's how you listen to the podcast.

So let's say you have an hour long podcast and you chop it up into 10 different little segments, giving some of those segments the, hey, come listen to the rest of the podcast.

And then a few of them have.

That makes sense.

Here's the freebie that this attaches to.

Want to learn more how to do storytelling, for example.

Here's the freebie that this goes to.

Because now my goal is to get them on the email list because they've Just met me, I think biggest mistakes that people make, especially in the online space, because we get sick of hearing ourselves talk about the things that we're doing.

So, like, everybody knows what I'm doing when nobody knows.

I have a friend who runs a conference and he's been running this conference for 10 years.

And even this last year, when I was helping put some things together, people were emailing him and going, what's the thing?

Tell me more about what that is.

And he's like, you know, it's only the thing I've been doing for a decade that I talked about all the time.

And it was a reminder of, oh, not everybody who knows knows what we're doing.

And these are people that talk to him on a weekly basis who should have known what that thing is, but it just had never come up in conversation.

Yeah.

Oh, that's such a good reminder of, yeah, not everybody understands what you do.

And to reiterate that fact over and over again of this is who I help, this is what I do.

This is the payoff of working with me or listening to my podcast.

That's so helpful.

Okay, so I'm going to throw a question to you by being on many podcasts and you being a podcast host, what is something that you wish podcasters did differently or invite them into in 2025?

I'd love to see more podcasts, really give their guests what they need at the front end.

Because a lot of times we're expecting people to go do all this extra work when they've already given us their time to show up and be our guest.

So one of the things that I implemented at the beginning of 2024 was I'm going to give you a piece of copy, I'm going to give you an image, and then I'm going to cut all the small videos for you.

What you decide to do with those is up to you, but it gives you all the resources.

Because I always ask myself, how do I make this idiot proof?

Because I started to have.

And not that anybody is an idiot, but I had my kids asking me, how can I help?

How can I come into the business and do the things?

And I was like, well, I have to make it easy enough that my 10 and 8 year olds could figure it out.

And when you do that for people, even though they're the smartest people, we've talked about that, we talked about this a little bit before the podcast started, is people are busy, overwhelmed, and they're trying to get all the stuff done.

And because they don't have people on their team yet.

There's too many things to do.

So if I say, hey, here's all the things.

I'll tag you in it when I post, then at the least, they can just reshare it.

So making sure that you have all the assets that you want to give your people, but then making sure that you tag them and that you're promoting it just as much as you want somebody else to promote it.

Because you'd be surprised how many times I'm on a call with a new podcaster and I'm like, can you please.

Here's a sop on how to do all of these things, because it really helps your guests out.

And then your guests are going to be the one who's like, oh, here's somebody else.

Because that's the other question that I always ask at the end of my podcast.

Is there anywhere else that you think that I would be a good fit for or somebody that you would want to suggest to be on my podcast based on our conversation today?

Now I'm not doing the work to find my podcast guests anymore.

I almost never go and look for podcast guests or post in any groups anymore because of the fact that I have podcast friends that go, katrina, I just had the best conversation with so and so you definitely need to have them on your podcast.

Or I have people coming to me and saying, hey, this would be really good.

And making.

That's another piece of being seen in the marketplace and getting your content out there.

Because then people go, oh, that's a good place for you to go speak.

Oh, that's a good podcaster.

And then it gets you on more stages, too.

Yeah.

So good.

And you were a case in point because I heard you on another podcast and was like, I need her on my show.

Because I knew you would bring all of this incredible value to our episode today.

So if people want to work with you moving forward, which I know people will, because you are, you just shine this.

This gift of helping people create content that is really authentically them, what is a good way for them to get in touch with you?

Yeah, absolutely.

So I actually have a really short course that you can do in about an hour called Mic Drop Message, and it's at mike drop message.com and there's a download for it that gives a couple more story ways to tell stories beyond the two that we talked about today.

So there's the way to tell a Pixar story, for example, in there of what does it look like to really tell these in a way that makes sense, that doesn't feel robotic after you've done them for a while.

And that's mostly I get bored and so I want to.

I wanted to mix it up for you because I was mixing it up for me, but that's mike drop message.com and then I hang out over on Instagram and LinkedIn and it's just a brina.

Ashley.

Okay, awesome.

Well, I just appreciate all of what you shared today and I know it's going to be helpful as we move into 2025 for all of us to really be content creators from the heart.

I mean that's really essentially what it is.

It's really heart centered content creation and storytelling within our podcast which makes that true impact.

So thank you so much for being here today.

Thank you for having me.

All right guys, that's it for today and I wish you a very merry Christmas and we will be taking a quick break over the holidays but we will be back that first week of January and I cannot wait to see you podcast and 2025.

Thanks for listening today.

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