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Speaker ALast week we returned from a brief hiatus to cover recent Supreme Court happenings and to deep dive into Maryland versus Shatzer.
Speaker AThis week we'll see how Bostock and Scremetti may shape the upcoming Supreme Court cases involving transgender restrictions in sports.
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Speaker ASince the Supreme Court sat silent on the emergency and regular dockets, there's nothing new to report there.
Speaker AThat brings us to today's feature, the battle over Bostock, Skremetti and transgender rights in sports.
Speaker AI'm talking about Little vs. Hecox in West Virginia vs. BPJ, which I covered in our July 7 episode.
Speaker AIn general, little in West Virginia involve challenges to state laws that require students to play on sports teams that match their biological sex assigned at birth, not the sex they identify with.
Speaker ASo, for example, in bpj, a transgender middle school student sued because bpj, a biological male, wanted to play on the female cross country and track teams.
Speaker ABoth cases were briefed before Scurmetti was decided, which creates a fascinating snapshot of how lawyers tried to predict the court's direction.
Speaker AYou may remember from the July 7 episode that the court granted cert on both cases on July 3rd and just two weeks after deciding Scrumetti.
Speaker ARather than sending the cases back to lower courts to reconsider in light of Scremetti, the court immediately agreed to hear them.
Speaker ACheck out that July 7 episode for more analysis of the arguments and the court's unusually fast timeline.
Speaker AThe party's merits briefs are due in September and November.
Speaker AHere's what to expect Bostock and Scarmetti will dominate the merits briefs, oral arguments and final opinions.
Speaker ASince Scarmetti came out after the cert stage, don't be surprised if both sides adjust their strategies based on Scarametti's outcome and reasoning.
Speaker ALet's set the battle stage for Little in West Virginia.
Speaker ATo do this, we begin with Bostock.
Speaker AThis 2020 decision found that Title VII prohibits workplace discrimination against homosexuality and gender identity.
Speaker AWriting for a 6:3 majority, Justice Gorsuch defined the key terms from 1964 what did sex mean?
Speaker AWhen Title VII was written?
Speaker AThe court accepted the employer's own definition, status as either male or female as determined by reproductive biology.
Speaker AThis definition is sneaky critical.
Speaker ASecond, what does because of mean?
Speaker AThe court found that in 1964 this phrase meant by reason of or on account of.
Speaker AIn legal terms, this triggers what lawyers call but for causation.
Speaker AIf changing one factor would change the outcome, that factor caused the result.
Speaker AThird, what does discriminate mean?
Speaker AThe court looked to Webster's 1954 dictionary to make a difference in treatment or favor of one as compared with others.
Speaker ASo discrimination means treating someone worse than similarly situated people.
Speaker AFourth, the court noted that Title VII protects individuals, not groups.
Speaker AThe statute uses the word individual, which in 1964 meant a particular being as distinguished from a class, species, or collection.
Speaker ANow comes the crucial application.
Speaker AThe court applied this methodology to create what I call the Bostock an employer violates Title vii, which when it intentionally fires an individual employee based in part on sex.
Speaker AHere's how this works in practice.
Speaker ATake Gerald Bostock.
Speaker AThe employer fired him for being attracted to men, but the employer wouldn't fire a woman for being attracted to men.
Speaker ATherefore, Bostock's sex was a but for cause of his termination.
Speaker AThe court put is impossible to discriminate against a person for being homosexual or transgender without discriminating against that individual based on sex.
Speaker AWhat stood out here is how Gorsuch built an airtight, logical case.
Speaker ASexual orientation always involves two the employee's sex plus the sex of those they're attracted to.
Speaker ASince you can't have homosexuality without considering sex, firing someone for homosexuality necessarily involves sex discrimination.
Speaker AThe same logic applied to Amy Stevens.
Speaker AThe funeral home fired her for transitioning from male to female.
Speaker ABut the employer wouldn't fire someone assigned female at birth for identifying as female.
Speaker AAgain, sex was a but for cause.
Speaker ABut here's a crucial part, and this becomes important later.
Speaker AGorsuch explicitly limited the ruling to Title 7.
Speaker AThe court stated it would not sweep beyond Title VII to other federal or state laws that prohibit sex discrimination.
Speaker AGorsuch also expressly declined to address bathrooms, locker rooms, or anything else of the kind.
Speaker AFast forward four years to Scremetti.
Speaker ATennessee passes SB1, which prohibits doctors from prescribing puberty blockers or hormones to minors for gender transition.
Speaker AThe same medications remain legal for other conditions, like precocious puberty.
Speaker AThree transgender minors and their families sued.
Speaker AThe case eventually reaches the Supreme Court as United States v. Scarmetti.
Speaker AThis case posed a different question than Bostock.
Speaker ABostock dealt with statutory interpretation.
Speaker AWhat does Title VII mean?
Speaker AScarmetti tackled constitutional law.
Speaker ADoes Tennessee's law violate the Equal Protection Clause.
Speaker AThe Equal Protection Clause requires governments to treat similarly situated people equally equally, but not all government classifications trigger the same scrutiny.
Speaker ALaws based on race get strict scrutiny.
Speaker AThey're almost always struck down.
Speaker ALaws based on sex get intermediate scrutiny.
Speaker AThey must serve important government objectives.
Speaker AMost other laws get rational basis review.
Speaker AThey just need some reasonable justification.
Speaker AThe question in what level of scrutiny applies to laws affecting transgender people?
Speaker AThe question for this podcast was how did Square Metti treat Bostock?
Speaker ASpoiler alert.
Speaker AEach group of Justices treated Bostock completely differently.
Speaker AChief Justice Roberts and the majority treated Bostock like a hot potato.
Speaker ARoberts explicitly declined to address whether Bostock's reasoning reached beyond Title seventh, but then applied Bostock's but for test.
Speaker ARoberts held that under Bostock's reasoning, neither the Scurmetti plaintiff's sex nor transgender status is the but for cause of his inability to obtain testosterone.
Speaker AAccording to Justice Roberts, if a transgender boy seeks testosterone to treat his gender dysphoria, SB1 prevents a healthcare provider from administering it to him.
Speaker AIf you change his biological sex from female to male, SB1 would still not permit him the hormones he seeks because he would lack a qualifying diagnosis for the testosterone, such as a congenital defect, precocious puberty disease, or physical injury.
Speaker AThe transgender boy could receive testosterone only if he had one of those permissible diagnoses.
Speaker AThe majority reasoned that changing a patient's sex or transgender status wouldn't change the law's application.
Speaker ATennessee prohibits certain treatments for specific diagnoses gender dysphoria, gender identity disorder.
Speaker AThe prohibition isn't based on sex itself, the majority argued.
Speaker AJust as Thomas took the gloves off, Thomas wrote a concurrence that basically declared war on Bostock.
Speaker AThomas stated he continues to think that the Bostock majority's logic fails on its own terms.
Speaker AThomas emphasized that the Equal Protection Clause contains none of Title 7's specific language.
Speaker ADifferent laws, different results.
Speaker AThomas argued that extending Bostock would depart dramatically from this Court's Equal Protection Clause jurisprudence.
Speaker AJustice Sotomayor fought back hard.
Speaker ASotomayor's dissent fully embraced Bostock's reasoning.
Speaker AShe argued, there's no reason to think a law could simultaneously be sex based under Title VII and sex neutral under the Equal Protection Clause.
Speaker ASotomayor applied Bostock's but for test directly to Tennessee's law.
Speaker AShe concluded that the law necessarily discriminates based on sex because it treats people differently based on whether their gender identity matches their biological sex.
Speaker AWhat stood out here is the methodological divide.
Speaker AConservatives see Bostock as narrowly confined to Title VII's specific text.
Speaker ALiberals view Bostock as establishing broader principles about sex discrimination than that apply across all legal contexts.
Speaker AThis battle over Bostock's scope isn't just academic.
Speaker ARight now, it's playing out in two major sports cases that the court might hear this term.
Speaker ABoth cases involve state laws requiring students to compete on teams matching their biological sex assigned at birth.
Speaker ABoth cases were briefed before Scremetti was decided, which creates a fascinating snapshot of how lawyers tried to predict the court's direction.
Speaker ALet's go over how each side weaponized both Bostock and the anticipated as you recall from our July 7 episode, one case involves BPJ, a transgender middle school student in West Virginia.
Speaker ABPJ wanted to play on the girls cross country and track teams.
Speaker AWest Virginia's law said no biological boys must compete on boys teams.
Speaker ABPJ sued under two theories.
Speaker AFirst, Title 9, the 1972 law prohibiting sex discrimination in education.
Speaker ASecond, the Equal protection clause.
Speaker AThe Fourth Circuit ruled in BPJ's favor on both claims.
Speaker AHere's how West Virginia fought back against West Virginia argued that Bostock's text driven reasoning applies only to Title vii.
Speaker AThe state emphasized that the court carefully cabined its decision to not extend beyond employment law.
Speaker AWest Virginia made a sophisticated argument about state statutory differences.
Speaker ATitle VII prohibits discrimination based on multiple traits in employment.
Speaker ATitle 9 focuses solely on sex discrimination in education.
Speaker ADifferent statutes, different contexts, different results.
Speaker AWest Virginia also Pointed to the 6th Circuit Scremetti decision, which stated that Bostock's reasoning applies only to Title seven.
Speaker AThis created what lawyers call a circuit split, different federal appeals courts reaching different conclusions on the same legal question.
Speaker ABPJS team took the opposite approach.
Speaker ABPJS lawyers argued that Congress made the same choices when it wrote Title IX as in Title vii, both statutes use similar on the basis of language both require, but for causation.
Speaker ABpjs brief applied Bostock's reasoning directly.
Speaker AWhen a student is discriminated against for being transgender, sex plays a necessary and undisguisable role in the decision.
Speaker AThe Brief cited the 9th Circuit's conclusion that we do not think Bostock can be limited to title 7th given the similarity in anti discrimination language.
Speaker AWhat stood out here is BPJ's strategic positioning on Skermetti rather than fighting Skermetti directly.
Speaker ABPJ's team suggested holding the case pending SC's resolution.
Speaker AThey argued Skermetti would likely resolve the circuit splits West Virginia claimed, eliminating the need for immediate Supreme Court review.
Speaker AOur second case involves Lindsay Hecox, a transgender college student who wanted to compete on Boise State's women's cross country and track teams.
Speaker AIdaho's Fairness in Women's Sports act said no.
Speaker AThe 9th Circuit ruled.
Speaker AIn Lindsay's favorite finding, Idaho's law violated the Equal Protection Clause.
Speaker AThe court treated transgender status as what lawyers call a quasi suspect classification, a category that gets heightened constitutional protection.
Speaker AIdaho's strategy was particularly clever.
Speaker AIdaho strategically embraced Bostock's textual interpretation approach while arguing it supports their position.
Speaker AThe state quoted Bostock's warning against courts that add to remodel, update or detract from old statutory terms.
Speaker AIdaho argued that Bostock actually supports a restrictive biological definition of sex.
Speaker AIf courts must stick to original text and meaning, then sex means what it meant in 1972 when Title IX was enacted.
Speaker ABiological sex determined at birth.
Speaker AIdaho made a sophisticated four part argument for why Scremetti wouldn't resolve their case.
Speaker AFirst, definitional Scermetti focuses on classification analysis, not the fundamental definition of what sex means under the Equal Protection Clause.
Speaker ASecond, deference issues Sports regulation involves different state interests than medical regulation.
Speaker AScrumetti wouldn't address how much deference courts should give states protecting women's athletics.
Speaker AThird, context specific analysis the government's interest in safeguarding minors from experimental medical procedures differs from its interest in maintaining competitive fairness in sports.
Speaker AFourth, Title IX Both Idaho's case and West Virginia's case include Title IX issues that Scoremetti doesn't address.
Speaker ALindsay's response took a completely different approach.
Speaker ASurprisingly, Lindsay's brief barely mentioned Bostock.
Speaker AInstead of fighting over Bostock's scope, the brief position transgender rights as part of broader constitutional principles.
Speaker ALindsay's team fully embraced Delay, arguing for holding the case pending Scurmetti.
Speaker AThey contended that Scermetti would resolve the circuit splits, Idaho claimed, making Supreme Court review unnecessary.
Speaker AWhat stood out here is how differently each side viewed timing.
Speaker AIdaho aggressively pushed for immediate review.
Speaker ALindsey preferred to wait and see how Scermetti developed law.
Speaker AThe well, that's how in the upcoming transgender cases, the parties deployed Bostock and Skermetti.
Speaker ANow that Skermetti has been decided, we'll see how the parties frame Bostock and Skermetti.
Speaker AGiven Bostock's own limitation of Skermetti's dismissal of Bostock, it seems unlikely that the court will extend Bostock to the Title IX context.
Speaker ABut at the same time, does it logically follow if the court extends Scarmetti's constitutional holding to Title IX but declines to extend Bostock's Title 7 statutory interpretation holding Only time will tell how this dilemma shakes out.
Speaker AWe'll be sure to follow this case and keep you updated as these cases progress.
Speaker ALast point on today's episode, I want to highlight possible foreshadowing from the Skremetti oral arguments Justices Kavanaugh and Barrett asked.
Speaker AThe advocates appreciate question how their proposed rulings would impact laws governing sports participation, specifically laws that prohibit people from participating in sports based on their identified sex rather than their biological sex, and want.
Speaker BTo ask in particular about one thing.
Speaker BIf you prevail here on the standard of review, what would that mean for women's and girls sports?
Speaker BIn particular, would transgender athletes have a constitutional right, as you see it, to play in women's and girls sports, basketball, swimming, volleyball, track, etc.
Speaker BNotwithstanding the competitive fairness and safety issues that have been vocally raised by some female athletes seen in the amicus brief of the many women athletes in this case?
Speaker BSo can you explain how intermediate scrutiny would apply to women's sports in a way that translates transgender athletes cannot participate would satisfy intermediate scrutiny?
Speaker BIs that logically possible?
Speaker COkay.
Speaker CAnd last legal question, I was just going to ask you one.
Speaker CI have a second one.
Speaker CCould you address Justice Kavanaugh's questions about what the implications of this case would be for the athletic context or the bathroom's context?
Speaker AThese questions proved remarkably forward looking.
Speaker AThe Justices were already anticipating the exact legal battles we're seeing today in cases like West Virginia versus BPJ and Little versus Hecox.
Speaker AThe way they framed their questions, at bottom, it seemed like they held concerns about constitutionalizing transgender rights.
Speaker AThe battle over Bostock's legacy reveals fundamental tensions in law.
Speaker AHow do we interpret legal texts written decades ago in contexts the drafters never imagined?
Speaker AWhen should courts extend precedents beyond their original context?
Speaker AHow do we balance competing claims about fairness and equality?
Speaker AThese aren't just legal questions.
Speaker AThey're deeply human questions about dignity, inclusion, and opportunity.
Speaker AThe Supreme Court's answers will echo through American society for generations.
Speaker AThat's it for today's deep dive into Bostock, Skermetti, and the future of transgender rights in sports.
Speaker AThese cases demonstrate how constitutional law develops through incremental decisions, each building on previous foundations while pushing in new directions.
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