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Speaker AAll right, so we're going to get back into this a guide to buying Investments.
Speaker AAnd we're still talking about why the market acts like an emotional teenager or even a child younger than a teenager sometimes with its tantrums.
Speaker ABut in this episode, we're going to discuss what most people are getting wrong about their investments and why the average investor is at a huge disadvantage.
Speaker ASo I think.
Speaker AI think we talked a lot about how people get things wrong in the last episode.
Speaker AWe're going to talk about why you're at a disadvantage right now and what you can actually do about it.
Speaker AWe're going to give you a list of about 10 things by the end of this episode that you can do top 10 with Travis to get control of your investments.
Speaker BLove that.
Speaker ASo that's kind of cool.
Speaker AI don't know if we want to make that a PDF that somebody can download or something.
Speaker BHey, we will.
Speaker BWe do things on the fly.
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Speaker AOh, sure.
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Speaker AYep.
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Speaker AOkay, so we talked about the YYY syndrome last time and going on this kind of picking on the kids.
Speaker AWe're gonna do na na na I'm not listening syndrome today.
Speaker AAnd, and how you may, you know, again, how you may be sabotaging your investments in general.
Speaker BWell, and we had briefly, briefly touched on it at the conclusion of the last episode, talking about individuals not really understanding what they're invested in.
Speaker BAnd that go, like, how do you actually read these investment statements?
Speaker BSo when you have a Fidelity, a Charles Schwab, a 401k, an IRA, like, how should you actually look at an investment statement?
Speaker BAnd I'm super excited because you do such a great job of not only helping clients understand statements, positions, what things mean, but also just training our newer planners on the importance of what to look at, you know, why do we receive these statements as investors, you know, and what's the important thing to look at?
Speaker BSo this is Ditch the Suits.
Speaker BI'm Steve Campbell, your senior marketing director at Seed Planning Group.
Speaker BThis guy is Travis Moss, our CE co at Seed and co host to Ditch the Suits.
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Speaker BSo this is an exciting one because we're going to talk about in the first one kind of where mindsets come from fear and uncertainty.
Speaker BBut this is actually fun because it's a buying a guide to buying investment.
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Speaker AYeah, so this will be fun.
Speaker AA little bit off script a little bit.
Speaker AIn the last episode I had mentioned you were we were kind of laughing about it afterwards.
Speaker AYes, I used to carry coal when I was a kid.
Speaker AWe had a cold so we lived out in the country.
Speaker AEven back then the electric bill was ridiculous.
Speaker AI don't know how the public utilities would calculate it, but I mean this is like 40 years ago.
Speaker AThe electric bill was still like 400 plus a month.
Speaker ASo we got a coal stove when I was a kid and one of my jobs when I started to get a little bit older so I was like a young teenager, was to carry the bags of coal into the house and we would get bags of coal delivered in 100 pound bags.
Speaker ASo my dad would order a ton of coal, it would get dropped off on a pallet and you'd have 100 pound bags of coal.
Speaker AAnd for some reason, you know, and I weighed all of 120lbs soaking wet.
Speaker ASo I was about a senior in high school and then I weighed about 130 pounds soaking wet.
Speaker AMy job was to carry the 100 pound bags of coal from the garage to the coal stove and then pick them up and dump them in the coal stove.
Speaker AAnd, but that, the reason why I'm saying this is if you bought 20, 20 bags of 100 pound coal and had them at a pallet at your house and they are to heat your house, you pay a price for them.
Speaker AYou now have inventory, you have 20 bags of coal, you don't care what the price does after that.
Speaker AYou've already got the coal.
Speaker ASo you're going to heat your house.
Speaker AYou use, let's say you use a bag every three days.
Speaker AYou know that you have 20 bags times three days.
Speaker AYou can get through 60 days.
Speaker ASo for the next 60 days you have what you need.
Speaker ANow the only reason why you care about the price of coal and what the price of coal is doing is if you need to buy some coal or if you bought too much and you want to sell some of your coal to somebody else, that's the only reason you care.
Speaker AOtherwise you're just moving along and using it.
Speaker ASo if you were to look at your inventory of coal, your 20 bags of coal, and look at how the price was changing every week depending on what's going on with the price of coal, you'd be freaking out because you'd be like, don't use that coal over there.
Speaker AIt's only worth X or it's worth Y today.
Speaker ALet's not, let's not use so much coal.
Speaker ABut no, you heat your house and, and, and you kind of move along with your life and you don't worry about the price shocks, you know, the ups and downs until it's time to buy coal again.
Speaker ASame thing with your investments.
Speaker AYou have an investment, the reason why you care about the price is if you want to sell it or buy more of it.
Speaker AIf you want to buy more of it, you want a good price.
Speaker AIf you want to sell it, you want a good price, right?
Speaker ASo if you want to sell it, you hope that it's up.
Speaker AIf you want to buy it, you hope that it's down.
Speaker AIf you go and you go and you say, I'm going to buy some Coal.
Speaker AYou never root for the price to be up.
Speaker AYou always root for the price to be down.
Speaker AIf you want to sell your coal to, let's say, your neighbor or back to the store, what do you want?
Speaker AYou want the price to be up.
Speaker AHowever, what we tend to do is buy investments when the price is up and sell investments when the price is down.
Speaker ADo exactly the opposite.
Speaker BI'm just really blown away that a line about if you had Cole on your bingo card or you're doing a power hour.
Speaker BEvery time the word Cole was mentioned, you're doing a shot.
Speaker BYou are absolutely hammered at this point.
Speaker BThat was, who knew?
Speaker AYou're doing a shot for every time I say who knew.
Speaker BJust a simple line from the previous episode about Cole would become such a powerful example about the power of.
Speaker ALet's talk about the statement then.
Speaker ALet's talk about the statement.
Speaker BYeah, we're not going to talk about churning butter.
Speaker BThat was.
Speaker AWe never turned butter.
Speaker AWe weren't like.
Speaker AWe weren't that.
Speaker BTalk to us then about the power of.
Speaker AI mean, that was a high school project.
Speaker AWe would do.
Speaker BOh, God.
Speaker BWe're ready to move on.
Speaker BSo you got an investment statement.
Speaker BAll of you, if you're in a 401k, if you have IRAs, if you have brokerage accounts, you've.
Speaker BThis has been what we've heard a lot from people calling in, I've inherited money from a grandparent or a parent.
Speaker BSo maybe you're seeing investment statements for the first time in your life.
Speaker BMaybe these have been unopened envelopes that sit on your island kitchen because you just don't know what you're looking at.
Speaker BTravis, help us understand the power of understanding the components of an investment statement.
Speaker BAnd when we educate clients and our staff, what are the key components that we think investors should be looking at?
Speaker AI want every.
Speaker AEvery person listening just to think for a hot second.
Speaker AWhen you look at your statement, what do you actually look at?
Speaker AWhat's the first thing that you look at, the second thing you look at?
Speaker AThird thing you look at, like, what do you look at when you look at your statement?
Speaker ASome people will say, well, I don't look at my statements at all.
Speaker AWhich is good and bad, right?
Speaker AIt's good because you're not getting stressed out about the ups and downs all the time.
Speaker AAnd it's bad because you know what's actually going on in there.
Speaker AAnd if somebody's ripping you off, right?
Speaker ALike, so you.
Speaker AYou can't be, like, willfully blind.
Speaker ABut certainly, you know, you don't Want to overdo it.
Speaker ABut when you look at your statement, what do you look at like, Steve, what do you think that would be the most common things people would look at?
Speaker BI would say probably the immediate balance fluctuation.
Speaker AThat's what they put in big bold letters.
Speaker BYeah, it's either green or red, which is terrifying or exciting.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker BAnd so maybe a great example too, if you're at your computer, pull up a statement, because I think it'd be cool if you had one of your statements in front of you as Travis talks through these things to actually in real time look at it.
Speaker BBut I would say probably the biggest thing most investors look at is just intraday moves and what the ending balance is each day.
Speaker ASo the balance, definitely the balance.
Speaker AThe second thing that you probably have is some kind of performance metric.
Speaker ASo a starting value and ending value, maybe a percentage returned over a time period, which is incredibly arbitrary because what does it mean?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AYou know, if you're a conservative investor and you made 5% and an aggressive investor made 10%, who won?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AWhich one was good?
Speaker AIf you're a conservative investor and you made 5%, but because of the dynamics in the bond markets and stuff, you probably should have made seven.
Speaker ADid you do good or not?
Speaker AThat's not going to be on your statement.
Speaker AWhat's going to be on your statement is normally you're, you're ending in your, your, your starting ending balance for a time period and maybe your average return over the time period or maybe even since, like our statements will put, since inception and stuff like that.
Speaker ASo you might get a little bit of a longer time period, but that's what you get.
Speaker ABasically you have, you're tracking the balance over time.
Speaker ASo you have the current balance and then you're kind of tracking it over time.
Speaker ASome statements might actually get into the underlying investments.
Speaker AAnd so they'll list your inventory, kind of like your coal in my example, it'll list your inventory and what you've got.
Speaker AAnd you know that for a lot of people can be overwhelming because it's an awful lot of numbers.
Speaker AAnd you know, you have cost basis in there, you'll have where or purchase price and then current price and then, and then, you know, the, the gain or loss, whether or not it's long term or short term yield, number of shares.
Speaker AI mean, there could be all kinds of things in there.
Speaker BAnd that's so a great question because we get this a lot.
Speaker BIs there a difference then by how mutual funds, ETF stocks and bonds are reported on statements?
Speaker AYes, so one of, one of the challenges that people have is a mutual fund is an actual portfolio, or an ETF is a portfolio all by itself.
Speaker ASo when you buy mutual fund XYZ, you're actually probably buying anywhere from 30 to 2,000 stocks.
Speaker AYep.
Speaker AYou just don't know it because you don't see them.
Speaker BSee the five letters?
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ASo, so when you, when you buy one of them, you're getting a cut of every investment that would make that up, some of which are up today and some of which are down.
Speaker ABut when you look on your statement, all it shows you is the mutual fund.
Speaker ASame thing with an etf.
Speaker AAn ETF is just kind of like a fancy mutual fund.
Speaker AIf you want to oversimplify it.
Speaker AYou can buy and sell the ETF within the day.
Speaker AMutual funds you buy or sell in the evening.
Speaker ABut when you look at, if you had stocks on your statement, you would see what each and every stock has done.
Speaker AAnd so you might have a stock that's down 20% and a stock that's up 20%.
Speaker AAnd you might say, well, I shouldn't own these things that are down.
Speaker AAlmost guaranteed that stock was also in your mutual fund.
Speaker ASo that mutual fund owns stocks that are up and down every day.
Speaker AAnd this is one of the hardest things for investors to get to, especially if they transition into, like, retirement and they go From a generic 401k type of portfolio to a real portfolio that, you know, you buy the mutual fund because you're essentially buying a middleman.
Speaker AYou're saying, look, I don't know any investment managers, so I'm going to hire somebody or I'm going to pick myself.
Speaker AMutual funds, which are essentially investment managers, are going to manage my money for me.
Speaker AThey're going to build me a portfolio.
Speaker AWhen you have more money, you need to just get your own portfolio manager.
Speaker AYou need to get somebody who manages a portfolio specifically for you.
Speaker ACut out the middleman because that mutual fund's taking a fee.
Speaker AAnd the person who's selling you, the mutual fund's taking a fee, are telling you you should be in the mutual fund's taking a fee.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ASo you have two portfolio managers you're paying for.
Speaker AYou're paying for the portfolio manager who's managing your other portfolio managers, and then the portfolio managers who are actually buying and selling the stocks.
Speaker AEven if you have indexes, there's a layering there.
Speaker ASo, you know, we need to understand what, what we actually own.
Speaker ABut on a statement, if you have mutual funds or ETFs, you're seeing what the portfolio did.
Speaker AIf you actually have a portfolio that's built for you with individual securities, you're going to see what every underlying investment is doing.
Speaker AAnd people will say, well, I've never seen so many things that have made or lost me money on there.
Speaker ABut that's just because you didn't.
Speaker AYou never looked at the, at the underlying positions of the portfolio from the portfolio manager that you actually hired.
Speaker BLet me throw in the Steve's self Help guide here.
Speaker BSo, so one we didn't mention, which is kind of confusing if you do have your statement out in front of you.
Speaker BSo you got the mutual fund, which is typically five letters large cap blank of whatever company where you don't see the underlying holdings, you just see the name of it.
Speaker BYou have an etf, which one we talked about, QQQ or vgi, three letters, you know, something like that.
Speaker BAgain, you don' see the underlying holdings.
Speaker BYou have individual stocks, Microsoft, Facebook, Tesla, Nvidia.
Speaker BYou're going to see those, the shares, individual bonds.
Speaker BYou're going to have, you know, where the bond was, the ultimate maturity.
Speaker BAll of those things.
Speaker AAgain, very different than what a mutual.
Speaker BFund'S going to, different than a bond fund.
Speaker BAnd then the wild card would be an SMA or a separately managed account.
Speaker BThis is where if you hire a money manager, they might show you the stocks.
Speaker BYeah, but it doesn't mean that you as an investor can call that money manager and say, hey Steve Campbell, I do not want to own that stock.
Speaker BBecause you're just, it's like a larger.
Speaker AMutual fund that you're doing advanced statements right now or ditch the suits.
Speaker APeople are Advanced Payments 102.
Speaker BWell, so when people see it, you might have five separately managed accounts by money managers show all of your stocks.
Speaker BBut that doesn't mean that you have full authority to just remove stocks you don't like versus owning actual time.
Speaker APeople in an SMA don't know they're in an sma, so they don't know they're in a separately managed account.
Speaker ABecause what happens is it's sold like this.
Speaker AWe pick the money managers that manage the money for you.
Speaker ASo what's really happening is the person that you're paying to manage the money is charging you a fee and then they're going out into the universe and they're hiring some larger money manager a lot of times like JP Morgan Chase or BlackRock or something like that to manage a portfolio for you where you see all the guts of the portfolio, but it's not the person you Hire, that's managing it.
Speaker AIt's some other company someplace else.
Speaker AAnd there is a little bit of input you can sometimes have on those.
Speaker ASometimes you can't have any input on that, but it does.
Speaker ABasically what it is, is it's like a personalized mutual fund, but it's not a personalized portfolio necessarily.
Speaker AAnd it lets you see all the guts within it.
Speaker ABut one of the issues there is you still got two middlemen.
Speaker AMm.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AYou haven't eliminated any middlemen.
Speaker ASo your cost structure is still going to get hit twice.
Speaker AYou still, you got, you know, guy you've hired to.
Speaker ABecause you won't.
Speaker AYou can't buy an SMA by yourself.
Speaker AAs far as I know.
Speaker AYou're always going to go through, call them up and say, so there's going to be.
Speaker ABecause they're institutional.
Speaker ASo there's going to be an investment manager kind of as a conduit between you and the other investment manager.
Speaker ANorm.
Speaker AOr a company finance, some financial company is going to make money for brokering this to you.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BSo sometimes you'll see people, they pay 1% overall fee to their advisor and then they pay a half a percent to a money manager.
Speaker BSo they're all in rate as a one and a half percent.
Speaker ASo the fee structure is very similar to a mutual fund.
Speaker AIt's just, it's kind of hidden.
Speaker ABut let's talk about what's not on the invest on the statements.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ABecause, you know, we, we, we maybe talk very technically about some things here.
Speaker ABut what is not on your statement?
Speaker AYou, when you look at your statement, you see the balance.
Speaker ASo go ahead and look at your statements.
Speaker AIf you have them in front of you.
Speaker AHow much money do you have in your account?
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AThat's your balance.
Speaker AThat's a representation of the price.
Speaker AIt has nothing to do with the value of your underlying investments.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AIf I can heat my house with the coal that I've purchased for the next 90 days, I have 90 days worth of value.
Speaker AThat is what it is.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AIt doesn't matter if the price goes down between now and the end of the 90 days.
Speaker AAll I care about is at the end of 90 days when I have to buy more, what the price is going to be.
Speaker ASo the value is, is so important.
Speaker ABut it's a number I have never, ever, ever seen on a statement.
Speaker AIn fact, every now and then I hear like on a tv, like a news show or something like that, them screw up and somebody will come in and argue that yes, the market's down, but the Value of companies has overall gone up and they'll actually, and normally you see it more in a white paper.
Speaker ASo the people out there who are peddling financial news or other financial companies that are talking, oh, the market lost $2 trillion of value today, they know darn well that that's not what happened.
Speaker AThey know that that's a price fluctuation and that no value is probably lost because value has to do with, go, go to back to your house example that we used in the last one.
Speaker AIf nobody wants to move onto your street this week.
Speaker ASo the price of your house goes down by $10,000.
Speaker AIt doesn't mean you have to sell it for $10,000 less.
Speaker AIt doesn't mean that it's going to appraise for $10,000 less.
Speaker AIt just means you don't have a buyer today that will pay you the full value of it and you have to wait for the next buyer to come along.
Speaker ARight?
Speaker ASo price and value are two different concepts.
Speaker AValue is not on your statement.
Speaker AIt's not going to be on your state.
Speaker AClosest you're going to get.
Speaker AThe value on your statement is with bonds.
Speaker ABonds will actually, if you have individual bonds, not bond mutual funds, if you have individual bonds, they will kind of roundabout get you to value because they'll, they'll say you have $1,000 bond and they'll show you what the sale price is today.
Speaker ASo you have a thousand dollars bond, the sale price is, you know, 95, which means $950 and your yield to maturity is 3%.
Speaker ASo it gives you the equation that you need to figure out what the real value of the bond is.
Speaker AIt still doesn't normally show you that real value.
Speaker AThe real value would be exactly what will I, you know, with the bond?
Speaker AExactly what will I make with this contract?
Speaker AWhat's the value of that contract?
Speaker ASo it does.
Speaker AYour statement doesn't show you value, which if you're an investor, that is one of the most important tidbits of information is what the hell did what I buy?
Speaker AWhat is it actually worth?
Speaker AIf I, if, if the stock market goes down and I buy Meta for $0.50 on the dollar, isn't it important that I know that I bought it for 50 cents on the dollar?
Speaker AIf it goes up a hundred percent because I bought it at 50 cents on the dollar, right.
Speaker AIf I make 100% on it, did I make 100% because Meta's making more money or did I make 100% because the price just reverted to where it should have been in the first place that represented its value.
Speaker AI'm going to look at that investment very different than if I think, oh my gosh, Meta is going to double their revenues and therefore I could double my, my, the value of the investment because I bought it for fair market value.
Speaker AIt's, you know, like the mental equation is very different on how you would look at the investments.
Speaker AThere's no long term trend or projection relative to value.
Speaker AThere's no way to look at your statement and understand the value of Valero after Covid went up or did the price just go up when you look at your state, if you had Valero during COVID what you'd see is a very deep V where the price plummeted and the price after Covid shot way back up.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AIt'd be a very deep voice.
Speaker AAnd so if you looked at that, you would.
Speaker AThere's no way to know that.
Speaker AWell, geez, did Valero just not make any money and, and become less valuable of a company and then they started making a lot more money, become more valuable?
Speaker AOr was it because everybody was panicking?
Speaker BRight?
Speaker ANobody wanted to buy it, everybody wanted to sell it.
Speaker ASo the price plummeted and then everybody realized that that was childish and foolish and they were acting like teenagers.
Speaker ASo they decided, you know what, let's put all our money back into it.
Speaker ASo it went back up and it equalized the price to the value that's more realistic to what happened.
Speaker AWell, that's a very different story than this thing isn't worth the paper that it was printed on.
Speaker AAnd that's a huge challenge.
Speaker AThe moat of a company.
Speaker ASo the moat of a company is the economic advantage.
Speaker ASo when you look at a moat, this is a term I think popularized by Morningstar, but basically that's the economic advantage of the company versus its peers.
Speaker ASo does that company have a long term Runway and is likely going to be able to protect their profit margins because of their unique position in the economy, in the world.
Speaker AAnd so when a company has a strong MO even though their prices fluctuating, you're like, but we know it's making a lot of money and we know the long term prospects are that it's going to continue to make that money.
Speaker ASo if the price is down, that's a buying opportunity.
Speaker AThat's coal being cheap.
Speaker AI want to buy more coal when it's cheap.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AVersus oh my gosh, the price is down.
Speaker AThis company must be failing.
Speaker AAnd it's like, can you really take Visa or MasterCard out of the world economy?
Speaker ARight?
Speaker ANow, who's going to replace them?
Speaker AHow would that work?
Speaker AYou know, can you even create a competitor for them, a real competitor for them?
Speaker ATake Apple, right?
Speaker ALike, how easy would it be to take Apple out of the world?
Speaker AHalf the world uses Apple products and half their life is tied into Apple.
Speaker AIt doesn't just disappear overnight.
Speaker AIt would take a periodic decline for that to particularly happen.
Speaker ASo understanding how the company is making money and how it's kind of ingrained into society is a really important thing.
Speaker AIt doesn't say that at all.
Speaker AAnd you're never going to open up your statement.
Speaker AIt's going to tell you the moat of your company that you own or the real value of the company versus the price.
Speaker AYou don't put that on statements.
Speaker ALeadership team of the company.
Speaker AWho's opened a statement and seen who's running their company or that they have a new CEO.
Speaker AYeah, most people, when they buy an investment, they don't know who the CEO is.
Speaker AThey don't know where they came from.
Speaker AThey don't know what their track record is.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AThey don't know anything about them.
Speaker AThey don't know anything about the leadership team of the company.
Speaker AThink about how silly that is.
Speaker AIf you wanted your kid, if your kid was a great athlete and you wanted your kid to prepare to go to the, you know, some kind of professional sports team and you were shopping schools for the best possible coach, would you care who.
Speaker AYou know what I mean?
Speaker ALike, for the best possible sports team, would you care who the coach is?
Speaker AYeah, you're going to move them to a district where they get primo coaching and development.
Speaker AWhy wouldn't you be concerned?
Speaker AWho's running a company?
Speaker AWhen somebody comes in and say, we should buy this company, Tell me about the company.
Speaker AHow's the mo.
Speaker AYou know, what's the value of the company?
Speaker ATwo questions.
Speaker ANormally people can't answer that.
Speaker AThe third question is, who's running the company?
Speaker AWhat do you know about who's running the company and the leadership of the company.
Speaker AAnd like, people can't answer that.
Speaker AThey don't know.
Speaker AAnd it's never going to be on your statement how much money the company made or reinvested into their business.
Speaker ADoes the company take every dollar out of the business?
Speaker ASo you could have a small company.
Speaker AYou have two small companies.
Speaker AOne company is really, really profitable.
Speaker AThey make a ton of money and they cash all that out in dividends and send it to all their, their, their little shareholders.
Speaker AAnd we love it because we get a 5% dividend in this company.
Speaker AThe Second company, same exact size, not nearly as profitable, so they don't give the dividends and you go, well, that must be a worse company.
Speaker AExcept for the fact that they reinvest that 5% they were sending to their shareholders.
Speaker AThey reinvest it back into the company.
Speaker AIn fact, they do it in a way that they get a tax deduction for it.
Speaker ASo if they could send you 5%, they're reinvesting 7% actually.
Speaker AAnd they are building for the future.
Speaker AThey are trying to become the next Amazon.
Speaker AThis is how Amazon did it.
Speaker AThey just reinvest, reinvest, reinvest, reinvest.
Speaker ASo one, you're getting instant gratification of the big dividend, but the second one, you're getting long term growth potential there.
Speaker AAnd that's again where you go and look at the leadership team and you look at the moat, the long term economic advantage.
Speaker ABut you want to take into account that they're putting money back into the company to make this a long term investment, not a short term dividend play.
Speaker ASo instead of a short term gamble, we're looking at something that is trying to be around 20 years from now as a big time player.
Speaker AThat's where all the big money comes with investing is holding onto an investment long enough for it to pop right to actually like most of the time, it's like most things in your life, if you can just gut it out, you're gonna win.
Speaker AMost of life is a war of attrition.
Speaker AEverybody else is going to quit before you quit.
Speaker AAnd if you can outlast everybody, you're going to win.
Speaker AAnd then same thing.
Speaker ALike people don't look at how did a company's competitors fare?
Speaker AYou know, did the company do well or bad?
Speaker AWell, if company did well, but all of its competitors did well.
Speaker AIn fact, all of its competitors did better than that.
Speaker AI don't know how good your investment really was.
Speaker AAnd people say that all the time.
Speaker AThat was the best investment I ever made.
Speaker AI made x percent per year.
Speaker AAnd then you look at, then you compare it to other things and you're like, yeah, but other things doubled the return.
Speaker ASo that was the best investment you ever made.
Speaker ABut it wasn't a good investment, comparatively speaking.
Speaker ASo we got a lot of room that we can make some significant improvements.
Speaker BThat was really good.
Speaker BI was, you know what I was actually thinking about because you had said the housing analogy, people will go out to find the best real estate agent so they can get the most out of the home that they sell.
Speaker BAn extra $10,000 means a lot to you as a seller.
Speaker BPeople that we speak to from ditch the suits, have a million, 2 million, 5 million, $8 million.
Speaker BAnd there isn't the same level of accountability.
Speaker BWould you write a five million dollar check if I gave you five million dollars, Travis, and said, I want to make money, I want you to be accountable, Find companies with wide moats and.
Speaker BBut we don't do that when it comes to our investments.
Speaker BWe do it when we pick schools for our kids.
Speaker BWe do it when we want to sell our home to get an extra turn.
Speaker AHow many people?
Speaker AHow many people?
Speaker AWell, I'm not gonna put my house on the market till, till the spring.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AYou know, I'm not going to put it on the market in November.
Speaker ASo we, we intuitively know not to hurt ourselves with our houses and with.
Speaker BOur kids, but I think with investments because it's such a far off thing that we're not yet tapping into.
Speaker BThere isn't that same kind of level of accountability.
Speaker BSo I hope this guide so far.
Speaker APaper, you know, you no longer get anything in your hand when you buy stocks.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AYou know, you used to actually get something so it was tangible.
Speaker AYou'd get a certificate in the mail.
Speaker ANow you don't get anything, Steve.
Speaker ASo one of the things that happens is it's not people's fault.
Speaker AThey're pushed into this gambling mindset.
Speaker AThey're pushed into, I need to have an answer for everything.
Speaker AWhy didn't it go up?
Speaker AWhy didn't it go down?
Speaker AWhat's going to go up?
Speaker AWhat's going to go down?
Speaker AAnd everything's just a number on a computer screen or a piece of paper.
Speaker AAnd so what's the connection between something being real and being just cyber?
Speaker BSo then before we get into your top 10 that we want to go through, why don't you hit us with this next part?
Speaker ABecause I.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker ASo your investments have a story to tell you.
Speaker AI think that we've talked about that.
Speaker AI mean, it's when people want to know what's going, what's going to happen in the market.
Speaker AYou know, nobody knows for sure, but we can look at investments and give you a pretty darn good idea what the potential is.
Speaker AAnd because you can look at price and value, you can look at a neighborhood and say, wow, the prices are down, you know, X percent compared to the value.
Speaker AThat means developers are going to come in and buy everything up.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ABecause once it gets so cheap, people can come in and make a lot of money flipping the houses or turning them into rentals.
Speaker ASo you can kind of see where things are going to be going by understanding some of these principles.
Speaker AIt doesn't mean that you know exactly when they're going to happen, but it means you can, you can pretty much guess what direction things are likely to go.
Speaker AYou know, and again, it's over more the long term.
Speaker AYou can't guess next month, but you can guess, you know, over the next year or two years or three years is probably the direction.
Speaker BWell, and even just you've touched on this, and I'll let you run with this last part here.
Speaker BWe say things like the market is good, the market is bad, but within, within the market are companies, and some companies are doing extremely well.
Speaker BSo the market overall could be bad, but some companies are flourishing.
Speaker BWouldn't you want to know what those individual companies are?
Speaker BSo that if you're going to put your hard earned money to work, that's.
Speaker ALike saying the grocery store is good or bad.
Speaker AYeah, you know, the grocery store isn't good or bad.
Speaker AThe grocery store has things that are good and things that are bad.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AThere's any store you go to are going to have good things and things that you like and things that you don't like, things that are good for you and things that aren't good for you.
Speaker AThat's a great point.
Speaker ASo basically the Nana nah, I'm not listening syndrome.
Speaker AThis is when people revert to just looking at balances and price movements as an indicator of financial health.
Speaker AI mean, we talked to, we're blue in the face about this, this stuff.
Speaker BYep.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AWe talked.
Speaker ASomebody asked me yesterday, well, you're probably getting a lot of calls from clients because of the market volatile.
Speaker AI said no, honestly, we don't get a lot of calls because we work with clients to understand these principles.
Speaker ABut yet there, there are still some people that this doesn't kind of set in with because you're so conditioned to think different than this.
Speaker AIt's when people refuse to accept that each, every single investment that you have represents a real institution.
Speaker AAnd we've talked about this in different episodes.
Speaker ADo not buy an investment that you don't understand.
Speaker ADo not buy an investment that does not have a purpose to your portfolio.
Speaker APeople buy a lot of stuff and a lot of products that they think are investments that I think they're products.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker AThey're not, they're more contracts than they are investments.
Speaker AYou buy things you understand.
Speaker AIf you don't understand investing, you hire somebody who buys things that they, that you understand.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker ABut every single investment is a Real institution that you're putting money into, make sure that that's an institution that you trust and believe is going someplace.
Speaker BGreat examples as Apple Tim Cook CEO, they sell phones.
Speaker BYou see phones, you see computers, like that's a real company.
Speaker BBut when you see Apple ticker on your statement, we sometimes think these are just things that go up and down when it's real companies, real leadership boards, people making decision decisions.
Speaker AAnd the na na na syndrome is also when people allow so called financial advisors to just convince them that all investments are the same and that the price is all that matters and all investments are not.
Speaker AI mean we've buried this now.
Speaker AAll investments are not the same and.
Speaker BNot all advisors are all the same.
Speaker AYeah.
Speaker AAnd, and, and the price is not all that matters.
Speaker AIf you overpay for a company, but they're a really great company and you can own them for 10 or 20 years because they're a solid business with good leadership, you'll recover from that.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker AIf you overpay for a junkie company, you may not recover for that.
Speaker AIf you have an opportunity to buy a really good company at a low price, you're going to make even more money.
Speaker AThat's how you beat the average.
Speaker AThat's the way that you beat the average.
Speaker AYou buy a great company for a low price.
Speaker BAnd if you're new to digital suits, when you hear Travis and I say so called financial advisors, we like to expose our industry.
Speaker BNot saying that there's not good people out there, but because you are interested in getting the most from your money in life.
Speaker BJust because someone has a business card or a shop down the street or a name on a title doesn't mean that they're necessarily the best professionals for you.
Speaker BSo, so what do we do about this?
Speaker BYou have an awesome quote and this is where we're going to get into your top 10 takeaways, buying guidelines.
Speaker BGive us the quote and then let's.
Speaker BI'm just going to let you walk through.
Speaker BAll right.
Speaker AYou know, okay, they're yours.
Speaker BI'm not going to read.
Speaker AAll right, well whatever.
Speaker AI'll do all the hard work today.
Speaker BThank you.
Speaker AYou keep me in line, I'll do the 10.
Speaker AAll right, so what do you do about this?
Speaker AI saw this quote from mlk.
Speaker ANothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Speaker AAnd I think that there's a lot of people out there who just want to pretend like they just don't want it.
Speaker AThey're not interested.
Speaker AI want, I'm going To take what somebody else says.
Speaker AI'm going to roll with that because it's easier just to roll with it.
Speaker AYep.
Speaker AAnd we're challenging you to think a little bit for yourself and to kind of push back a little bit to get more for yourself.
Speaker AEvery time I see a financial advisor who's buying big houses and big cars and taking big vacations, the first thing in my head that I think of is, who paid for that?
Speaker AYou paid for that.
Speaker ASo if you're gonna pay for that, make sure you're getting something that you get as much as the advisor gets out of it.
Speaker AThat's my thought.
Speaker BBut, well, here's what I'm gonna do just in case.
Speaker BWe got people checking with us.
Speaker BI'll give you the number, you give me the statement.
Speaker BWe got 10 of these.
Speaker BThat way people can check them.
Speaker AWe'll get them done.
Speaker BAll right, folks, Travis Moss's 10 buying guide investment statements.
Speaker BGive us number one.
Speaker AWhen you make an investment, you are buying property that is supposed to make money in the future.
Speaker AYou get a cut of that future profit based on how much of the company you own.
Speaker ANumber two, when you buy a company, you are hiring the management team.
Speaker AMake sure you pay attention to the team's track record.
Speaker AThree, make sure you understand the companies and how they make money that you invest your money into or hire somebody who does.
Speaker AFour, don't buy and sell a company because of the price alone.
Speaker AFive, don't sell a company because the price is down.
Speaker ASix, don't buy a company because the price is up.
Speaker ASeven, buy a company because the price is a good deal for the value you are getting.
Speaker AEight, don't think you know where the world is going or what is going to be the next great company or the next Amazon or Apple.
Speaker ANumber nine, price changes every moment.
Speaker AMaterial changes in value tend to take time, with very rare exceptions.
Speaker ABe patient and don't overreact.
Speaker AAnd number 10, if you don't believe in where a company will be in 10 years, don't buy it.
Speaker BAs we said, you might be driving in your car.
Speaker BDon't be trying to write these down on your phone while you're driving.
Speaker BWe will create a PDF and if you're interested, you can head to ditchthesuits.com.
Speaker Bthere's a little contact us button up in the top corner.
Speaker BSend us a note, Travis.
Speaker BSteve, can you send me that PDF?
Speaker BWe'd love to get it in your hands for free again.
Speaker BPut it on your fridge.
Speaker BPut it wherever you make trades.
Speaker BJust remember, this is a guideline line from Travis's years of experience of not only helping clients, but helping our other planners.
Speaker BUnderstand that you have an unbelievable opportunity in the free capitalistic society.
Speaker BWe have to buy into companies.
Speaker BYou get to own a piece of companies.
Speaker BHow cool is that?
Speaker BUnderstand the opportunity in front of you.
Speaker BDon't throw your money to a wind.
Speaker BDon't guess it.
Speaker BDon't hire so called financial advisors that that.
Speaker BJust say everything's all the same.
Speaker BThere's real opportunities.
Speaker BPeople are making money every day.
Speaker BUse this buyer's guide to help empower you.
Speaker BSo as always, thanks for stopping by Ditch the Suits thanks for checking out Ditch the Suits.
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