[00:00:00] Seth: The well intentioned, misguided information you will hear during the holidays about real estate.

[00:00:05] Jenn: It's the beginning of new year, new us, who dis?

[00:00:08] Jenn: "This is a terrible time to buy a house"

[00:00:09] Seth: Is it?

[00:00:10] Jenn: No! It's a great time to buy a house, now hear me out.

[00:00:12] Seth: Yeah, before you smash that unsubscribe button.

[00:00:14] Jenn: Before you say "this chick has no idea what she's talking about."

[00:00:17] Seth: Really when someone says it's a bad time to buy, what's really layered into that comment is that you should wait until

[00:00:23] Jenn: Don't!

[00:00:24] Seth: Because when everybody comes and floods the market, you're gonna be right back where you're gonna be overpaying for houses and doing crazy shit.

[00:00:32] Seth: Hi Jen. Happy holidays. We need to settle something.

[00:00:56] Jenn: Yeah we do.

[00:00:57] Seth: Video, anyone who's watching this on [00:01:00] YouTube.

[00:01:00] Jenn: And if you're not, then go look at it because it's a very serious thing. It just set us back about 15 20 minutes from hit and report.

[00:01:06] Seth: That's right, and

[00:01:06] Seth: this is an extremely important, life altering decision.

[00:01:09] Seth:

[00:01:09] Jenn: change my wardrobe forever.

[00:01:12] Seth: Is Jen's Sweater. Red.

[00:01:17] Jenn: Comment below to tell Seth that it's red.

[00:01:18] Seth: we know that it's in the red family, but is it red red

[00:01:22] Seth: or is it

[00:01:22] Seth: not red?

[00:01:23] Jenn: I'm not talking like candy apple red versus watermelon. red. Nuh Red. Yeah. I'm not talking Crayola 64 pack.

[00:01:31] Jenn: Which color red?

[00:01:32] Seth: So in certain light it does look red, but in certain other lights it doesn't.

[00:01:35] Jenn: It's cause it's red. I also just got done catching Seth up. I don't know where he's been living in the past few years. About the whole debate of the internet breaking.

[00:01:44] Seth: Wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

[00:01:45] Seth: Dad, husband...

[00:01:46] Jenn: Oh, you!

[00:01:47] Jenn: Don't! Ooh! I know you're not going there with me. The only parents of a friggin five year old and real estate agent and now podcast host.

[00:01:55] Seth: Alright, calm down.

[00:01:55] Jenn: fired up.

[00:01:56] Jenn: It's the holidays. I'm excited. Got all this holiday cheer in me.

[00:01:59] Seth: [00:02:00] But that sweater's

[00:02:00] Seth: not far into red, sorry.

[00:02:01] Jenn: I didn't say it was, I said it was red.

[00:02:02] Jenn: It's red red.

[00:02:03] Seth: Alright, so, what are we talking about today?

[00:02:05] Jenn: It's the holidays.

[00:02:06] Seth: It's the holidays,

[00:02:07] Seth: that's right.

[00:02:07] Jenn: So we're gonna talk about, the things that you're gonna hear around the holidays. at least real estate related.

[00:02:14] Seth: the well intentioned, misguided information you will hear hear during the holidays about real estate.

[00:02:21] Jenn: The very not wordy.

[00:02:22] Seth: that had Jen's word salad, application there. No, basically the well intentioned misguided information, you know, you're gonna get. Or opinions, I should say.

[00:02:31] Jenn: And more opinions.

[00:02:32] Jenn: Comments, concerns. Yeah. Just word vomits. You know, things that people say. you know, conversation fillers. So, we kind of touched on this last episode. if you didn't hear that, just go back, listen to that. We just talked about, why people are afraid to contact an agent.

[00:02:45] Jenn: And, like, you know, when you really should that you don't really think about. we were going to kind of, like, talk more about that this time, but there's really no reason to because it's really all in the last episode. So, if you didn't listen to it, go listen to that. We're going to be kind of referencing back to it in this.

[00:02:58] Jenn: there's going to be things you're going to hear [00:03:00] around the table that you wouldn't have necessarily thought to like suggest to other people that probably reach out to an agent if you hadn't even considered it.

[00:03:08] Jenn: we want to really, hone in on this one about the very obvious things that you're going to hear. Stuff like, you want to buy a house in 2024 is the time people are coming up with their New Year's resolutions and their goals for the next year.

[00:03:21] Jenn: things will change in the market. It's the beginning of, you know, new year, new us, who disand to not be afraid to kind of bring up to your family what you want to do next year. because you're afraid that they're just gonna shut you down with

[00:03:32] Seth: shit all over,

[00:03:33] Jenn: but interest rates.

[00:03:34] Seth: Yeah

[00:03:34] Jenn: Feel like dealing with it from like people that you see like once a year and the fact that you might hear other people saying these things like, you know, ah and Mildred She's taking a turn who's gonna take her like Well, we'll give you the other some solutions for that at least how to bring them up or what to say back

[00:03:51] Jenn: so big buzzword topics we're gonna really go over is, you know, what, what to listen to and kind of when, when to keep your ears open, but then also kind of like [00:04:00] when to respectfully shut them.

[00:04:01] Seth: well, first of all, what do you do for the holidays?

[00:04:03] Seth: you go down to Delco?

[00:04:04] Jenn: I go down to Delco. I go to Aunt Molly's house, aunt Molly's house, aunt Lolly's House. I got Aunt Lolly and Uncle Pop. That's what Jackson calls them, Molly and Pop. go down there. She manages to put out amazing holidays. Cooks her ass off for, well, forever and weeks.

[00:04:20] Jenn: it's magic how she manages to fit that many people into a, a twin in Ridley.

[00:04:25] Seth: It's always, it's always amazed me, like, you know, because certain people, myself included, I'm like, I don't have the space. Now, I have a very large family, so I always say, like, I don't have the space for everybody. But then, like, there are these, like, these families that are shoving, you know, 25, 30 people into, like, Like 500, 600 square feet of living space.

[00:04:41] Jenn: Where there's a will, there's a way. That's right. first person who says, We need a bigger house to entertain all these people. We got

[00:04:46] Seth: you. Yeah, okay. That's actually a really good point. That's, that's, that's one of the buzzwords. We'll add that in. no, but like, listen, there's, there are those buzzwords, that, you know, these life events, it's the holiday season, people are getting engaged.

[00:04:58] Seth: They are announcing that they're [00:05:00] pregnant. They are announcing that they're going to move or they're going to have a new job or something along those lines. Or they

[00:05:05] Jenn: just got married over the fall and they may be considering, starting a family.

[00:05:10] Seth: Starting a family, that's right. you know, the ringing of the, the glass and everyone stops and there's an announcement.

[00:05:14] Seth: Or if it's just like your casual, like, catching up with family. you know, I, I'm, I'm lucky, I communicate with my family pretty often. So there's very rarely like a piece of like, you know, breaking news at these holiday events. But a lot of, a lot of families, and I don't know how yours is, You know, it's, it's once, once every 365 days, you guys are all in the same room, tech deal.

[00:05:34] Seth: So, if that's the case, you know, that, there's a lot

[00:05:38] Jenn: of personalities to be in one room too a lot of times. Yes. So we said there's like different buckets of people, there's the just like, the kind of more like the, the fearful one and the uncertain one and there's the overly confident one.

[00:05:49] Jenn: Yeah. You might get like Uncle Barry, who is like overly confident and he knows absolutely everything about the economy and what's going on and what's gonna happen and is the end all be all of advice, but we get to [00:06:00] tee you up to be able to go toe to toe with Uncle Barry.

[00:06:04] Seth: Okay, so let's talk about that for a second.

[00:06:05] Jenn: what's the well intentioned, misguided advice This is a terrible time to buy a house

[00:06:09] Seth: Is it?

[00:06:10] Jenn: No. It's honestly brilliant. It's a great time to buy a house, now hear me out.

[00:06:16] Seth: Yeah, before you smash that unsubscribe button.

[00:06:18] Jenn: Before you say this, chick has no idea what she's talking about.

[00:06:21] Jenn: So, okay, our interest rates right at this moment, high. Yeah. Am I going to be the person to tell you, oh, well, like, at least back in the 80s, they, when they bought their house, the interest rates were like 17%. At least it's not that. No. house prices are also not like 80, 000.

[00:06:37] Jenn: so what happened in like 2021 when interest rates were lower, I'm not, I mean, I'm kind of talking from like the twos and threes, but even around like fours and fives, the competition was just so insane. Like if you know anybody that bought a house within the past, like let's not really say this year, I'd probably say more like 2021, 2022.

[00:06:59] Jenn: [00:07:00] They have horror stories about, like, it was a multi offered year. We were seeing, like, 30 offers on one house, and it just drove the price up. Like, they would list it at one price, and it would, they would sell for, like, upwards of even, like, 100, 000 over list. And it would just be, like, with, like, appraisal contingencies waived.

[00:07:19] Jenn: Like, they pay the difference. Like, all this crazy, insane stuff happening. Yep. because it was cheaper to borrow money. And like, I kind of could, but there was just so much more competition, so many more people out there, that you had to kind of bring that to be able to get a house. So right now, rates are high, I don't know about you, yes I do, and I know about me.

[00:07:37] Jenn: I have a lot of buyers that are sitting on the sidelines right now, so if you're like, hey, do you have any buyers right now? Like, yeah, I do, but they're kind of taking the back seat. I don't necessarily think they should, but you know, they are choosing to, that's their choice. And, so the thing is, a lot of people, like, they want to buy, but they're taking the back seat thinking it's a bad time to buy because interest rates are so high.

[00:07:53] Jenn: And, cool, I hear you, but guess what? As soon as interest rates do go down, Everybody that's [00:08:00] on the bench is going to get that dollar. And it's going to be a madhouse again, and, like, every market has its challenges and has its things to overcome, and we adapt and we move with it, and that's totally fine.

[00:08:09] Jenn: But, like, right now... Like, there is not as much competition, there are not as many buyers out there, plus, inventory's still pretty dang low. You find a house that you, like, commit to the house and say, like, marry the house, date the rate. So, it's not just a kitschy saying, it's literally, like, if you can afford to just be in a little bit of pain for just, like, a little bit of time, get the house now, because let's look at history, shall we?

[00:08:36] Jenn: There is nothing that shows that, like, houses are going to depreciate and are going to go down in value. they only appreciate. That's why owning a house makes so much sense financially.

[00:08:46] Seth: I'm gonna, I'm gonna cry. You know why? Are you so proud? Yeah, because after 18 months of pounding this into the team's minds, you're, you're absolutely right.

[00:08:56] Seth: Yeah. You're absolutely right.

[00:08:57] Jenn: it confused me that people aren't thinking this way, [00:09:00] and like, I've said this to a few people, and they're, they're just like, oh yeah, I guess you're right. It's like, wow, yeah, it's like I do this for a living, but it's like, afford to be in a little bit of pain for a little bit of time.

[00:09:08] Jenn: Interest rates have proven to always, they will go down. They always fluctuate, and they will always change, but house prices are always going to go up, you're waiting for house prices to go down, I hate to break it to you, It's not really going to happen the way that you think. It's only going to get escalated up and get just competitively much higher.

[00:09:27] Jenn: And on top of it, you're still going to have an interest rate, but just on a more expensive house. Whereas, get the house now. Pay for it at the price that it's at right now because it's going to be more even a year from now. And then refinance it when everybody else is like in a bloodbath of trying to get a house.

[00:09:42] Jenn: And all you have to do is Hi, my favorite lender. I would just like to refinance it so I can have a lower payment now. Thanks.

[00:09:49] Seth: And by the way, refinancing, a lot of people associate costs with that. most lenders now, they're offering like a five year window where you just can refinance for like a couple hundred bucks.

[00:09:58] Seth: if anyone out there is not familiar with a [00:10:00] refinance, it's usually can be, you gotta repay like a lot of closing costs. It can be like five, six grand plus. a lot of lenders are just saying no, no, no, we'll, we'll just,

[00:10:08] Jenn: we'll just, Yeah, ours is a five year commitment window of if rates go down, That's right.

[00:10:12] Jenn: Yeah, you can refi without any, like, power having to repay. Well, their, like, title has a different, like, fees or whatever, but they don't have to repay any of, like, the lending fees.

[00:10:20] Seth: Yeah, I'll add on to this. to kind of arm you, for these conversations is that Jen is absolutely right.

[00:10:26] Seth: Prices, historically, other than the Great Recession, which was, The thing that people don't realize about the Great Recession is that the reason that occurred was because of housing and loans. And that is not going to happen again. If the housing market does correct and there is some massive economic thing that happens in this country, it's not going to be because of housing.

[00:10:45] Seth: Housing has actually been the shelter where a lot of people have built equity and built wealth in this country. so,

[00:10:51] Jenn: you know. And not to mention, because of what happened in the Great Recessions, it being like bad loans and they would just give a loan to anybody with a heartbeat in a bank account and like a pen.[00:11:00]

[00:11:00] Jenn: Didn't even need a pen to be honest. his son would be like, that was weird. Cut that out. or don't. I don't even,

[00:11:04] Seth: I don't even think that was audible.

[00:11:06] Jenn: Perfect, it probably shouldn't have been. Anyway. have a great relationship because of bad loans, you know anybody who has bought a house in the past, honestly, like since then, to be honest, it doesn't have to be the past five years, in the past, like, ten years, oh, they'll tell you that the lending process and the amount of documents that they need to present and the amount of things that underwriting needs to double, triple, quadruple, check, like, a million times, like, it's, it's kind of annoying, but it is what prevents us from

[00:11:31] Seth: going back to what we had.

[00:11:33] Seth: So, I think a lot of people assume, especially Those middle aged, towards, like, the 60 year old. which is really, which is really Gen X. Which is really Gen X. 60s? What's

[00:11:45] Seth: that?

[00:11:45] Jenn: 60s? In their 60s?

[00:11:47] Seth: Yeah, so, a cutoff for Boomers was 63. So it's about 60. Boomers is 63 and older, right? Yeah. Yeah, so 60. I haven't talked about that.

[00:11:56] Seth: It's like homers. It's a bit of a mindset. 60s is Gen [00:12:00] X. I have nothing but sympathy for you people because you got absolutely walloped by the Great Recession. And I get that now you're having kids and your kids are starting to think about buying houses and you want to be, you know, Scared for them. You want to be scared for them and you want to try to protect them but there is absolutely zero statistical data, economic data, whatever you want to call it that predicts that there will be another Great Recession in housing like we saw in 2008.

[00:12:25] Seth: So, and if you

[00:12:25] Jenn: wanna argue that and come back at us, by all means. Yeah. Please. How can talk about it, it's crazy that there are some people in the world that exist that can, have different points of view and actually just talk about it as a conversation.

[00:12:36] Seth: Yeah. The the thing, the thing that I would say though, if you're gonna come at me, come with the data.

[00:12:39] Seth: 'cause I got, I got data to suffocate. but that is the huge one. And really when someone says it's a bad time to buy, what's really layered into that comment is that you should wait until,

[00:12:50] Jenn: don't

[00:12:50] Seth: interest rates come down. Which, Jen has very, very, very, very thoroughly explained why that's a bad idea.

[00:12:57] Seth: Because when everybody comes and floods the market, [00:13:00] you're gonna be right back where you're gonna be overpaying for houses and doing crazy

[00:13:03] Seth: shit.

[00:13:03] Jenn: I heard it explained like this, and I, I, I think it was a really good just, visualization of it. It's kinda like adult swim. I don't know if anybody else went to a public swim club when they were younger.

[00:13:16] Jenn: Or whatever, swim club in general. I know mine. Yeah, they had adult swim. It was one hour of the day. I think it was like one o'clock in the afternoon. It was always adult swim. All the kids had to get out of the pool and it was only the adults that were allowed in. chaos was going on. And then, you know, it would be like 1.

[00:13:30] Jenn: 59. Kids are just like, the whole pool is lined with the kids ready to jump right on in. As soon as that whistle blows, the whistle blows and everybody just jumps right in. It's pure chaos and that is exactly what is going to end up happening when the rates go down. That's right. It's adult swims over and now everybody's jumping in.

[00:13:47] Seth: Yeah. the other thing that I would say that's layered into That comment is the expectation that prices are going to come down, and we just got done talking about how, like, that's just not really going to happen. I

[00:13:58] Jenn: had somebody buy their [00:14:00] house last year, and we just closed on it. they bought it last year, and they got a profit off of it.

[00:14:05] Jenn: And like, not a small one. Yeah. But I think it went up, I think they ended up walking with, I think it was like a, never, I guess it was like a gross, difference of probably about like 40, 000. Yeah. Yeah,

[00:14:16] Seth: and in one year. In one year. Now keep in mind if you sell your house after one, only one year you do have to pay capital gains on it.

[00:14:22] Seth: We'll get into that in another video. We'll get into that in another one, but just as a little word of the wise. so, like I said, you're going to get some misguided but well intentioned advice because it does, it's not coming from a place of arrogance or over confidence. it's really protectionism and that's, that's to be admired.

[00:14:36] Seth: But, again, there is very little statistical data to show, that there is going to be some kind of reversion. And guess what, guys? If prices go down, you're going to have probably something else in the economy that is going to be happening. Like, massive job loss. You're going to have other things to worry about.

[00:14:52] Seth: There's always something. There's always something. So, you know, but Jen's point is very well taken. And as somebody who helps a lot of buyers in this market. [00:15:00] You know, there are, there are houses that would have had 35, 40 offers a year and a half ago, and maybe there's three or four, you know. And like, with inspections.

[00:15:10] Seth: With inspections. And so

[00:15:11] Jenn: it's not even necessarily right now, like as far as like right now being time to buy. Yeah. like price aside, just being able to like get things that are going to work in your favor. Like, you know, once things get more competitive, that is when you do have to get creative with the like waiving inspections and finding ways around that.

[00:15:26] Jenn: Or having to just like protect yourself other ways, and you know, like I said, when that time comes, because I'm sure it will, like, we're ready and prepared for that. But if you're talking about right now being a bad time to buy, I would argue to say it's, it is better. You may be able to get an inspection now where you might not in the middle of next year.

[00:15:43] Jenn: Yep. Or by the spring market or whatever.

[00:15:46] Seth: Yeah, another, aspect of, these conversations that I have observed is, should you move or should you like put an addition on? and, yeah, and very rarely does the addition make sense. if you're looking for something substantially [00:16:00] bigger, you are, probably going to save yourself money and a whole lot of aggravation and construction dust, uh, by, just simply going out and getting the house that you're looking for and paying for someone else's.

[00:16:14] Seth: construction, which is like, you know, paying for the finished product. So

[00:16:16] Jenn: So let's say like cousin Dottie is talking about like, Oh, we just need some more space in this house. Like we're talking about doing an addition and like, you know, you might have the space for it. Sometimes it makes sense, but what a great time to tell her, Hey, you should probably talk to a realtor about that and see if you're gonna get your money back on it.

[00:16:33] Jenn: You know, there's. It's their forever home, and you know, getting the equity out of it isn't necessarily a priority, but you know, it's a good question to ask.

[00:16:40] Seth: Yeah, and that's something that a lot of people don't understand that realtors can do, is if you have one over, they can give you the pros and cons and like run an analysis for you to say, hey, oh yeah, this is worth doing.

[00:16:51] Seth: Versus, you know what, you're going to end up over improving the house and you're going to end up losing money in the long run. So. So, you know, that, that's another thing that I've seen [00:17:00] where, you know, people talk about moving during the holidays and then the well intentioned but misguided advice is, well, you should call your contractor and put, put an additional on or do

[00:17:08] Jenn: this, that, or the contractor who is going to end up getting a big old project and a big old payday out of it?

[00:17:13] Jenn: That's right. That's right. So. I mean, given are we going to get a payday out of it, it's too sure, but like, you know, we still want to give you the right advice. Like, a friend of mine reached out. And they're like, we need to move like . Yeah. They've got, it's two that they have a house same size as mine. And like I've even said about my house, like I love it.

[00:17:28] Jenn: I love it for what it's right now, but it's just me, my son, and my diabetic cat. And it's great for us and we're little. Love my for a child. but, how old is he now? 11. He's 12 and a half. He's 12 and a half. 12 and a half. He's a nice, sweet baby boy. Yeah. but anyway, so like, it's, it's great for what I have right now, but I have even said.

[00:17:46] Jenn: I'm going to outgrow this house with a husband and another human in this house, like, fortunately I probably won't have to worry about it any time soon, which is great, but they do. it's the two of them, they're two kids, they have a dog, they have their three cats and two they're trying to [00:18:00] foster out, if you want a cat please let me know, they're trying to get rid of them.

[00:18:02] Jenn: Plug. They're adorable. My name's Jack and Sally. But anyway, and they're like, we gotta get, we need more space to get out of here. It was great for them at one time, but they went and I said, listen, go get a quote for, go get an estimate for the addition for what you want to do. Bring me that. Bring me that estimate.

[00:18:17] Jenn: I'm going to run comps in your house. I'm going to tell you, you know, basically what makes more sense. And honestly, if in addition to what you planned, if what cousin Dottie. Plans to do with our house does make sense, you know, that's something we would tell her like, you know what that makes sense You are gonna get the money back for it and it works out for the time being go for it But this case it didn't in any way whatsoever.

[00:18:37] Jenn: Why are you giving

[00:18:38] Seth: me that look? I'm giving you that look cuz wondering if anyone out there actually has a cousin named Dottie I'm sorry to be really off topic, but does anyone out there have a cousin named Dottie?

[00:18:46] Jenn: Do you want my meds? I took them. I

[00:18:48] Seth: used to take them. I can't take them anymore.

[00:18:50] Jenn: I can't take them anymore.

[00:18:53] Jenn: She might be a boob. Donnie might be a boob. No, but

[00:18:55] Seth: I remember you telling me about them. You did good work because, and it's not about like, oh, [00:19:00] okay, well, if you put an addition on a house, like, we don't get commissions. It's like, it's really just about making people, allowing people to make the right decision, but I had that happen in King of Prussia, Pennsylvania.

[00:19:09] Seth: Shout out King of Prussia Mall. And the... Oh, I'm sorry, you're in retail, so you... I'm not in retail. Oh, you were in retail. I'm wondering if we can get through one of these episodes without citing that you were in retail. Gave

[00:19:20] Jenn: me a lot of, a lot of great, a lot of great material. Great,

[00:19:23] Seth: great material. But no, I had a, I had a couple, who was in a split level, and they were, they had four kids.

[00:19:30] Seth: And they had two dogs. And they were in a... How many bathrooms? Seventeen, one and a half. What?! And a seventeen... Oh my god. Seventeen hundred square feet. And... I had that conversation with her. That's a reason to call an agent. That's a definite, and you know what? My client did. And she did the absolute right thing and she, she listened to my, me drone on for four years since I had found

[00:19:50] Jenn: her.

[00:19:51] Jenn: You only have to listen to us drone on for like 30, 40 minutes. Yeah, 30,

[00:19:55] Seth: 40 minutes. Imagine four years. No, but, no, but, and then she called me and she says, we haven't decided what we want to do. And I just kind of told her [00:20:00] about the fork in the road. And I said, you go and get a quote and then, you know, let me know and then I can show you what a purchase looks like.

[00:20:08] Seth: And. I mean they were gonna, in this day and age, it was gonna be two hundred fifteen thousand dollars to put this addition on top of the living space and her split level. Because, and listen, by the way guys, if you ever go up, it costs more. because a lot of times a house isn't engineered to, to handle the load and everything like that, there's all kinds of architectural stuff, so.

[00:20:25] Seth: Put a house on your house. Yeah, you plop a house on top of your house, it's expensive. But it didn't make any sense financially, so that's another piece of advice I've seen people give, it's like, well, why don't you just blow out the back, just duh, duh, duh, just do this, just do that. Knock this down,

[00:20:38] Jenn: just get a spreadsheet out of this.

[00:20:39] Jenn: I

[00:20:40] Seth: just put an addition on my house, and I was lucky because I just kind of attached it to the back of the house, which I know is the center, before you make a snarky comment, I know that's what an addition is, but it was a very, it was a very

[00:20:51] Jenn: clean... I was gonna say, but you were smart, because you, it added a bed, if I'm not mistaken, I just saw you added a bedroom, you added a bathroom.

[00:20:58] Jenn: You added more square footage to [00:21:00] it. Added a half bath. Added a half bath. So on top of all of it, like, and was that paddy, that screening paddy that you have, was that? That, that was all new too. Yeah, so like, you just added, like, more things that increase, like, at least three of the top four things that, dictate pricing.

[00:21:16] Jenn: Yes. So like, if you're trying to just put an addition on, just to like, get, get more room for the holidays. Or whatever, just like reconfigure your kitchen. Or like, yeah,

[00:21:23] Seth: expanding it. Like, I see a lot of times, like, people expanding a kitchen. Yeah, it's not going to do anything. It doesn't really add, add value.

[00:21:29] Seth: And I know people spend a lot of time in kitchens, but like, that, you really gotta, either, either you, you gotta add a lot of square footage, or you, need to never move. Because, otherwise you're never going to recoup the

[00:21:40] Jenn: money. Yeah, like, if it's, if it's something that, and I just said some words, like, if it's something you want to, it's forever home, and that's what you want to be happy.

[00:21:48] Jenn: Go for it. Live your best life. But if you do see yourself moving in the next like, 10, 15 years even, like, talk to somebody. Yeah. Before you start committing to any estimates [00:22:00] or whatnot. But get the estimate. Absolutely. But talk to an agent. and if you hear somebody that's saying these things, then again, guide them.

[00:22:07] Jenn: Say, this is somebody you might want to talk to. Yeah. another thing that people might hear at the table. You're asking me? Yeah. The inflection of my voice didn't intend it, so I'll rephrase. So sad. So, since we just covered those two topics, what is another thing, another buzzword real estate thing that might come up at the table that you would like to share?

[00:22:24] Seth: definitely. Like, so let's say a conversation has taken place and someone does want to move. Getting a recommendation from a family member about, like, the person they use. Which isn't always, it's not always a bad thing. So this is why it's the third thing. Because it's not necessarily a bad thing. But you definitely, when you, when you contact an agent, and you pick an agent, and we're going to talk about this in another episode, and we're going to really dive deep on this, make sure the person you use you actually like.

[00:22:51] Seth: Yeah. And you trust. Like, they

[00:22:53] Jenn: could be good for that person. And also, I've, like, I think about this a lot, and I actually don't verbalize it, like, nearly enough, [00:23:00] but it's like, Do some people think that something is a really great experience because they have nothing to compare it to? Like, maybe the person that, that somebody that you're talking to used, they say it's great, but, I don't know, like, or is their definition of great the same as your definition of great?

[00:23:13] Jenn: And, you know, if you don't have something to compare it to, also, like, you might think it was awesome, but, like, you, it's, you don't

[00:23:20] Seth: know what you don't know. Yeah, well, listen, like, you gotta start somewhere. and I, I'm not saying you shouldn't take, like, your friends and family's, suggestion for, using a realtor or contacting somebody.

[00:23:31] Seth: But just make sure when you're coming out, you know, into this space and you're going to start engaging the real estate and realtor space, that you're really finding somebody who, like, understands what your goals are and, like, asks you a lot of questions and, you know, The personalities mesh, you know,

[00:23:46] Jenn: like take names for sure.

[00:23:48] Jenn: I mean, like I said, we're gonna be doing our next episode on Selecting an agent since we had already covered Like, you know how to even cut or why do you even contact one? This is you know, obviously the [00:24:00] conversations you're gonna hear and the next one's gonna be about actually selecting it Yeah, and something we're gonna get into next time too.

[00:24:05] Jenn: I'm just gonna briefly touch on is You know, not going straight to the internet, but you know, you do hear somebody's recommend something that they use like take down that name Do your research, but yeah, but do your research and don't just go with the first person you hear sometimes you will yeah, okay That's totally fine.

[00:24:20] Jenn: But don't be afraid to interview them. Yeah, and again, that's something we'll get into in the next episode which is definitely worth listening to

[00:24:26] Seth: yeah that that's gonna be a big one for our listeners, I think because kind of what we talked about, previously, which is like, you know, contacting the agent.

[00:24:33] Seth: Like, a lot of that, trepidation about doing that. Like, if you're reaching out to the right people, it, it makes everything, like, a lot easier. Yeah. So, I think that that's a, good way to leave it. Happy Holidays, Jen. By the way, what is your, like, go to Thanksgiving dinner?

[00:24:48] Jenn: ugh. Aunt Lolly makes green bean casserole. It has been my favorite all year. Every year growing up, man, I would always be like, I want Aunt Sue's. It's really Aunt Sue. It's a whole thing.[00:25:00] it wasn't until I had Jackson that she's Aunt Lolly, but I'm like, I want Aunt Sue's green bean casserole.

[00:25:04] Jenn: Man, it's so

[00:25:05] Seth: good. Yeah, but then if

[00:25:06] Jenn: you have it all year, it's not as good. I don't. I only have it at like, she would bring it to holidays. The holidays were always at my house growing up. Now they're at hers. Man, Ansu's green bean casserole. She also has to, like, beat me out of the kitchen when she has the deviled eggs out and doesn't put them in yet because there will be a whole platter less of them if I get in the

[00:25:24] Seth: kitchen.

[00:25:24] Seth: My mother has, like, an eight tiered thing of deviled eggs. Oh, can I come over? Because there's 28 of us when we're all in the house. Oh, that's fine. And they go... One for me, 27 for you. Yeah, like, no, I go, I mean, like... Literally everyone has like six or seven of them. They go, they're like potato chips.

[00:25:39] Jenn: Well, but what's even funnier is like, I grew up, like, I'm not, I was not really a picky eater, but the one thing I hated growing up, up until even in my twenties, I hated eggs.

[00:25:51] Jenn: In every form. Deviled eggs is not... My sister, my sister, bet me money to eat a deviled egg on [00:26:00] Easter one year. I put it in my mouth, I... Almost gagged and I had to go spit it in the trash. Like, I didn't like eggs in any form. Yeah, now I will literally scarf down a million deviled eggs hard boiled eggs. Do you

[00:26:10] Seth: know,

[00:26:10] Seth: oh, oh, okay.

[00:26:11] Seth: So, so you're

[00:26:12] Jenn: sitting there. I do not like dippy eggs. They are foul.

[00:26:15] Seth: Listen, the thing about a deviled egg. Everyone likes deviled eggs. You know why? Because they are as far away from an egg.

[00:26:21] Jenn: There's still, there's still a nice bunch of eggs I don't really

[00:26:23] Seth: love. No, but the devil egg is furthest away from an actual egg as you can possibly get.

[00:26:29] Seth: It is like the most Americanized version of one. Perfect,

[00:26:32] Jenn: I love it. But anyway, what's your favorite holiday egg?

[00:26:34] Seth: Oh, it's stuffing. I mean, literally, just put me in front of a vat of stuffing, I'm good. I don't need, by the way, turkey, nobody ever says turkey, you know why? Cause it's, it's gross. Nobody ever eats turkey outside of

[00:26:46] Jenn: Thanksgiving.

[00:26:46] Jenn: What do you eat at

[00:26:47] Seth: We do, uh, bacon raff filet. It's unbelievable. Oh my god. Bacon, bacon

[00:26:51] Jenn: raff filet. Okay, mainline. My Delco. We, we eat the Delco stuff.

[00:26:55] Seth: the birth of Christ worth the celebration with bacon raff

[00:26:58] Jenn: filet?

[00:26:58] Jenn: Yeah, I'm [00:27:00] sure. But down at Delco... Wow. We, we eat ham.

[00:27:04] Seth: Yeah, hands good, man. I spiral ham. Again, put a spiral ham right in

[00:27:07] Jenn: front of me. Good show. I'll eat that. My neighbor, no, growing up my neighbors though, they were Italian. Like, like Italian. Like Italian Italians. Straight, straight over from Italy. they always did the seven fish dinner.

[00:27:16] Jenn: Yeah. I loved living next door to that.

[00:27:18] Seth: My, my wife's from North Jersey and seven fishes is all the rage up there. Yeah, but my

[00:27:23] Jenn: dad went to Jersey and ended

[00:27:23] Seth: up doing it. And I've heard mixed reviews just because it is a... Pain in the ass to do but it is delicious. That's the only it's what's their their go to holiday dish.

[00:27:33] Seth: Yeah Yeah, it's your go to holiday dish and it's Jen's fucking sweater red or what? Okay. Okay.

[00:27:38] Jenn: Happy holidays. Everyone. Happy holidays. Get those menorahs up get that tree up get you next time

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