Big adventures with Brian, Dierker and,
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yeah. Now, one of,
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my really best attributes as,
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old boatman is
I know all the other boatmen.
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I know the young boatman.
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I'm paying attention, I always have,
I think when I had the government
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contracts,
I had the best boatman in the business.
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But I'm sitting across,
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from Liam O'Neill and Liam.
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Thanks for being. Here.
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You absolutely have to be.
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But, not to make you blush, but,
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being a good friend of your dad's.
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I've watched you
since you were shitting in your trousers,
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and I'm sure you were.
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Yeah,
I was at that time, still, occasionally.
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When I met you,
you were, had dirt on your face and,
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you know, the river in your blood.
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But, I've really been looking forward
to, being able to,
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not only sit down
and have this interview, but,
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to, finally, you
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and I are going to get to hang out and,
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be the friends that we were destined to
be, whether either of us like it or not.
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Absolutely. You're that guy.
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I, I'm a huge fan.
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And,
Liam, let's start with your childhood
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and, some of it is going to implicate
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your father.
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We've got a lot to talk about,
but let's start there.
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Where were you born?
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So, I mean, I think it's even
more important to start right before that.
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You know, my dad was running well.
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Paid well, not well by River runners,
but Resnick and O'Neill.
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Go with the flow. Go with the flow. No.
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Out there and Peach Springs
and my mom from
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Brooklyn
got a job at, drinking and caverns,
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and that's where they met originally
and then got married down at Mooney Falls.
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Right.
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And I know,
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you know,
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my dad is probably gonna tell some more
of that story as he comes back into the.
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But, so they got married and shortly
after they left the reservation and my dad
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decided he needed to start a new river
company up in Jackson, Wyoming.
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And that's when I
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came around,
and I was born in the winter of 1977,
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in a little log cabin,
outside of Wilson, Wyoming.
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And that's where I started off
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my life, and I think my dad was out
skiing that day.
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He says he wasn't, but I get different
stories from everybody there.
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Mom was there alone with our friend
Nancy Carlson,
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but he says he was there.
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But again, for your birthday.
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And again, I hear he was like
doing a ski lesson or something like that.
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Like the powder was really good that day,
which I get, and that's a good excuse.
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I know where I put my money on that one,
young lady.
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I'm, I'm knowing your dad.
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Absolutely.
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So, you know, he started up that river
company, and, shortly after that,
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unfortunately, they they separated,
and my mom married a cattle rancher.
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So I grew up on a thousand acre cattle
ranch just outside of Wilson, Wyoming.
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And I would spend weekends with my dad,
at the River company in the summer.
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And usually during the winter.
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He was traveling somewhere,
so I didn't see him a lot
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the winters, but I was doing school,
so that was okay.
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But in the summer it was weekends,
mad River
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boat trips where, you know,
the guides were kind of my babysitters.
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And it used to be he'd be too busy.
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He'd be like, hey, why don't you go on
down to the river and ride river?
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You know, just ride
the trips all day long.
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Just do some laps down there.
And that's what I did.
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Well, and what a remarkable setting.
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To grow. Up in. And, you know,
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I would never
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judge, your father's parenting,
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and I didn't really know your mom.
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Yeah, but,
that's a really cool combination of being,
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what I know about the river scene
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up the mad River and the whole story. I.
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I tell people your dad is the Forrest
Gump of the river industry.
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You know, Captain Fog.
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Yeah, well, everything would come to him
and he'd smile and go, okay.
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Yeah. That was. I'll figure it out.
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I and he could fall in that outhouse and
come out with a gold rose in his teeth.
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You know, there's nobody that I've seen.
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Pull out the phrase.
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Better
that it's better to be lucky than good.
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Oh, yeah. He definitely he nails that.
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But he's also super
smart. Absolutely. And,
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we may as
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well segway into the first time I met you.
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Well, and I stopped by to see your dad.
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I don't know how old you are.
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You're just a little kid.
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He's three. I think right around
when I was three or so.
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And I would imagine you remember exactly
the first time you met me.
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Even at three, of course. Yeah.
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No doubt in my mind.
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But I remember well, took kind of a
liking to you, and we were only there
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for a little bit at your place,
and we were on our way out to do.
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The barrel fork. Over.
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But, I remember thinking about
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your dad's kids and
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not really worrying about you, but I
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remember you were like, a gamer
from out of the shit.
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Oh, yeah?
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You were,
I think I remember dirt on your face.
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Probably you'd come in from the backyard
or something playing in the dirt.
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I mean, that's a country kid.
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Almost always.
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I said,
I love you from the very beginning.
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Just like. Well, did.
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And if you
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are lucky, you got to sit on Will's
knee, as I remember.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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And then I think maybe it was your mom
that pulled you off of his knee
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and said, isn't it about time
you guys go or whatever you.
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Watch out for these river guys, Liam.
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But, the whole scene up there
in Jackson was amazing.
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And I think I had another session,
hooking up with your dad.
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I brought, Oh.
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Brad and I had done that, Oh, yeah.
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Glen and Betsy.
Right to come get the boat.
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So I, we loaded the,
sweep scow from that
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reenactment. Yep.
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There's a book about that,
and you listeners can look it up.
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It's called Sentimental
Sound by Brad Dimmock.
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Brilliant book.
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But, I had that in there.
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Neville's boat and, Army tin man of
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Georgie's.
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Yeah, all for our music.
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And I brought it up to your dad
for the museum, and I.
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I heard that a car
wrecked into the sweeps.
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Yeah. It did.
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Yeah. So
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we could go on and on about that.
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But, He had built just the most radical,
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architecture
for that area, for that museum.
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Yeah, it was, Will Bruder from Scottsdale
that built that one.
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Yeah. Really amazing.
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Really. Car commercial.
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But now Jackson, that's like what all.
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That's. Like in Jackson.
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That's really funny. Another guy.
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Remarkable man, your father.
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But absolutely.
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Oh, you've completely followed step.
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But I've always followed your game. It's.
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I'm really looking forward to hearing
your perspective on your own deal, but.
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So you're back and forth.
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Ranch river. Ranch river. Yeah.
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And where'd you go to high school?
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Well, that I was a mix, too.
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I started primarily in Jackson, Wyoming,
and was in and out there
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for most of my high school.
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So I went to Costa Rica for a little bit
and went to school
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and, ended up actually graduating out
to, California
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in Santa Rosa with my uncle,
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but also spent some time at Wasatch
Academy in Utah.
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So I was kind of all over
the place for high school,
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Wasatch Academy.
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I've heard of that one.
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Yeah.
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It's in, it's, mount Mount Pleasant,
Utah.
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Yeah,
out there in the middle of Turkey country.
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It's an interesting place to go.
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I was there because they
they, needed somebody for the snowboard
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team, and I fit the profile.
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There you. Go.
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Yeah. Where? Your father, like son?
That's right.
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That has
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absolutely not surprised me as far as,
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kind of a multiplicity of events
in high school.
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Yeah. So. But you graduated. Yeah.
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Eventually.
From eventually from Santa Rosa.
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Hey, Santa Rosa, what was his connection?
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And your mom's connection?
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Santa Rosa?
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My Uncle Kevin lived out there.
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I never met. Yeah.
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So Kevin was part of our snow.
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Helped,
you know, start that whole program?
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I think he was running the restaurant,
maybe that they had in Peach Springs
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at that time, right?
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I don't remember exactly, but, yeah,
Kevin, Kevin was the one that I was living
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with at the time, and everybody else
needed a little break from me.
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So what? What?
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You know, I,
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I think that's why I liked you from
the start is a gleam in your eye.
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Boy, there always. Is. Still is.
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Yeah. No, I see it right now.
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That's why we've got a long table.
We're sitting there.
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That's right, Tara, for it.
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But, how old were you when you were born?
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But as boring I mean. What year was.
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1977?
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That's a hard question for a.
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Skid wonder.
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I was born in 1977, though.
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That was a low water year.
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Yeah,
I and that's I've loved hearing those.
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Stories and I've run a futures with.
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Brad Dimick and a few other folks
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had been out there that time and,
have got to hear some of those stories.
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So and I was there
and it actually was like a thousand.
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That's incredible.
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Because, you know,
now it's like we have the shadow of 3000
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coming and everybody's like,
oh God, what are we going to do?
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It's like, well,
we figured it out just like we always do.
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But a thousand, 2000.
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I can't imagine that was just with
they're letting it seep around the dam.
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Right. They shut off everything.
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You know, it was just basically
whatever was seeping around the sides.
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And we got stopped in all kinds of places.
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And there were some motor rigs on there
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that they eventually led some water out
to flush everybody through to get.
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The motor rigs out.
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But they were just camped out for a week.
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But we were on this.
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The superintendent said, hey, Brian,
if you want to put together
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a bunch of your buddies
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and go down there and see the feasibility
of running on low water.
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Let's go check it out.
And he wrote me up a berm. It.
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And you know, that's great. Like back.
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Yeah,
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the list goes on.
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But, we intended to do a 16 day trip,
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and we ended up doing a 27 day trip.
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Yeah, I think kind of what I was thinking
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as well,
maybe more like a 21 to 25 day trip.
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It was,
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amazing.
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People were hiking in and hiking out and.
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Things gives you a lot more options,
like it's the.
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Wild West, it's on the river.
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Yeah, but back to,
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you get down with the high school,
all the while.
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You're probably a boatman by that.
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Well, so, yeah,
I did my first, guide school.
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I did my first guide school when I was 15,
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and they, you know, we're being gracious,
I think.
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And they're like,
we would hire you if you were old enough.
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But at that point, I started taking my
dad's boats out, guiding people down road.
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My first story, I think, when I was like
16 on that section of The Snake,
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he had a fun little fiberglass story
that I got to row,
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and I just kept getting more
and more interested in it.
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And then when I was 18,
I took another guide school.
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And we're hiring four out of 32
applicants that year, I believe
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my dad gave them specific instructions
not to hire me because I was a son,
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and they came back and told him that
that was too bad, because that was just
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going to happen this year.
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And they hired you anyway.
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It was my friend Bridget Crocker and Greg
Finley and a whole slew of other
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really talented guides that were,
leading that guide school guides.
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I went on to later teach
a bunch of guide schools with, but it was
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it was pretty fun.
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It was amazing
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because that was the biggest water
that had ever been seen on the snake
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that summer, to where it got up
to almost 40,000 cubic feet per second.
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And that was new for everybody.
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So I was really happy to be part of that
that year.
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Welcome to that river life.
That was great.
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You know, that smell of high water for me
is is so exhilarating to this day.
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And, and said, what year did I.
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Know.
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In their operation?
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I think it was 75.
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And that it was.
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That's why I'm working for my dad,
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because they ended it and dad
and my mom left, and I think Pete ended up
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maybe spending a little bit of time
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in jail in Pete Springs
at the end of that company.
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As legend has. It. Yep.
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So and again, that's not my story.
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So I don't know.
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But then he moved up to Jackson
and he started working for another guy.
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Rod Becker some something like that,
I can't remember.
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Anyway, he worked for him
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and he wanted out of the business,
so dad bought into that business.
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And at the time when he bought mad River,
they were running all the way
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from Yellowstone National Park,
all the way through the alpine
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Canyon to Idaho.
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So they had a really long
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section of permits that they could do
different styles of trips through.
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However,
they concentrated primarily on the alpine
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Canyon, and eventually that became Tanner
dad's Bread and Butter,
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where we were sending 32,000 people
a year down through this stretch, or.
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Oh, yeah.
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And five trips a day with 12 different,
you know, schedule.
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It was insane.
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To, hey, there.
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1200 people
a day. I mean, it was unbelievable
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on the big days anyway.
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And even on the small days
it was still 7 or 800.
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And then how long did you do that?
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I do that for about ten years with him.
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I worked with him for ten years
doing those trips.
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Worked through
multiple levels of management, on River
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guide, manager to operations, manager
to operations, general manager to.
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Hey, just do everything
I don't want to do.
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Manager.
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Company man. Yeah.
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And we eventually we got to the point
where we had some disagreements
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about, employees
and how to better incentivize them.
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So we split ways, and I went to Idaho.
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And went to work for somebody else.
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I did.
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I didn't go out there.
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That idea,
I was going to do something different.
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Right after ten years of guiding, I was
like, I'm going to try something else.
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And I moved out to Coeur d'Alene
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because my mom had just moved out there
a little bit before that, and I figured
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it'd be nice to start off somewhere
different, like around her.
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And, I see an ad for Weekend Warriors
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for the Saint Joe
River in the Loch sa River.
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Oh, I know, and I was like, oh, cool.
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Well, I could do weekends. That'd be fine.
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And I go and start talking to them
and they're like,
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well, actually, with your experience,
we really think
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you're going to be in management.
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So I immediately got hired
into a management position
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with that company and then worked for them
for like six years, doing
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pretty much every river in Idaho,
but primarily landed on the loch side,
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where I manage for them for a few years.
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What company was it.
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That was row River
Odyssey's West with Peter Grubb.
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And there was, so you knew Louis and Onno
and all those guys?
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I didn't know them, but I know
they're legends because I eventually
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went to work after I left row
for a company called Three Rivers.
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And the reason I went there
is because they offered Segway trips,
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and I worked for about a decade
for them doing locks on Segway trips.
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So they they knew all the stories
of all the glacier boatmen from back then.
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Yeah.
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And, and I heard them all
and I ran the same rapids,
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and I was lucky enough to do about
25 Selway trips and and, I mean, I've done
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hundreds of locks on trips,
but that's my that's my heart right there.
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I can move there. So.
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Yeah. I'm off.
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And what, shuttle? Oh, yeah.
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We'll see.
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We were lucky on that end because, like,
you know, where I was
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working was Three Rivers, and it's right
at the confluence of the locks on Solway.
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So when we were done, we were done.
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You were there.
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We were at home,
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you know, every other company would swing
into our bar to have a drink for.
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They had to do a long ass drive,
but we were home.
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Yeah. No draw.
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That is amazing up there.
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Yeah. And, I was lucky enough to.
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I never got on the walk, so.
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It's just like the cellar,
except it's outside.
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Yeah. You know, and it almost.
It was almost the opposite.
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They actually almost ran
the road up the cell.
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Way, and it's got the perfect wave.
And it's.
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Oh yeah, that one way.
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Absolutely. Yeah.
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I watched some, I, you know, I've known
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a bunch of guys like,
John Watson and, yeah,
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I watched him do some just
remarkable stuff in his kayak in that way.
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Oh, it's,
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you know, we've been able to like, I've,
I've surf cat boats like 16ft cat boats.
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And that way pipeline is the way.
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Yeah that's. It.
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So pipeline like I've I've got 16ft
cat boats in there and front served back
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served like it is amazing
putting a boat that big in
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and skipping down that green wave
and just having water all around you.
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Oh yeah, every time, Steve.
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And like, I kayak that river a ton.
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But then I started getting into cat
boating and I love cat boating
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so much more.
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It's just like there's
it just feels more fun to me.
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Amazing.
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I started doing that there on the South
Fork of the clear water.
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The North fork of the Payette like,
was able to do all these amazing cataract
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chips there. Yeah,
I just really like that craft a lot.
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Well, the North fork of the Payette.
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Hang on it. Sure is top to bottom.
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There's no brakes.
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I think I went for my rudest swim
ever on the North Fork of it.
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I believe that some of the worst swims
and worst injuries I've seen come off
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that river.
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The closer to shore you get, the ruder
the swim is going to be.
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Well,
and I think that's why I like the South
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Fork of the Clearwater
a little bit better,
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because it's got similar character,
but it's it's, more natural.
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Yeah.
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It's like it's not all railroad
and roadway, like,
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you know, debris from all that stuff.
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Yeah.
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I was, totally beat up
when I finally got out of that.
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Swell.
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I mean, I've even seen, like, kayakers
just roll
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like, do a quick roll
and be bruised from the waist up,
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you know, like going into Disneyland
or any number of those rapids.
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It really matter. Was Jacob's ladder.
Yeah.
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Which which have you watched
the North Fork race there.
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Which is amazing.
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Yeah. Kayak race I yeah.
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And one of my co instructors, Carson
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Lindsey, was in it a few years ago
and he had been teaching like all summer.
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He showed up all spring.
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He showed up there to do it
and he had zero time to practice.
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And he jumped on that thing
and he still ended up in the top ten.
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And he is just an amazing boater.
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But now he's going to school to be a PA
medicine's way more important.
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And he probably needed it.
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After all, he needed another.
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Right. Job.
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But that's I mean, where.
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It sure. Is.
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And then, so you're up in Idaho.
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When did you first get in the Grand
Canyon?
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So, there is a little part
that I miss there.
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Like in the middle of my Selway career,
my ex-wife and I, this gal, Amanda,
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we decided to out of Idaho,
we buy a river company in Colorado,
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and we buy a company from Tom
Klima called Peregrine River Outfitters.
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We change it to a dream. West expeditions.
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After the little mini series Dream West
that my dad was in, Right, right.
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Dream West expeditions, because I'm hoping
to get a little bit of money from him.
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Like little seed money too.
So I, you know, honor him with the name.
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So mad.
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River money. Yep. Totally.
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And we buy a company
and it's on, like, the, where do we run?
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We ran on the Gunnison in the San
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Miguel,
the Dolores, and parts of the Colorado.
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And we ran that company for about a year.
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And at the very beginning of that season,
I did a trip for asra because I was in
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Flagstaff trying to get Grand Canyon work,
and it wasn't getting any.
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And all of a sudden you're like,
hey, we got a trip for you.
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And I do this trip.
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Right before I go and run the river,
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the Colorado River season
or the Colorado Company season.
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So right before I started this business
in Colorado, I do,
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you know, an asra trip,
and it's it's horrifying.
436
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The trip is like
somebody gets Nora the first day,
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and then we just start getting Nora
all the way across, like the trip, right?
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Like everybody gets it eventually,
I end up getting it.
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I end up getting it at, like,
that we were
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just below
the Little Colorado River and camped out,
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and I ended up getting out there
and spreading it again to other people.
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But I remember those two
days where I was running from
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the circuit there,
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carbon down to Nevils,
and it took us a full day
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to get down through there because of,
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you know, all the stops we had to make
because everybody was sick. Everyone.
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And it was so hot.
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And and I remember getting nervous
that night.
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Oh, was. And I just, like,
collapsed out of my boat.
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I barely took a step off.
Collapse in the sand.
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I think I shipped myself one more time
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and then threw up
and then fell asleep right.
453
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Woke up the next day and I was like,
kind of feeling okay, but it's like, here
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we go. We're dropping in the gorge.
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It's like, God.
Like I'm barely able to row.
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And like, the day before,
I couldn't even row.
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Like anything's ever rapids.
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Like, I remember
there was an assistant on my boat
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that would jump
up, row, like, all the flat water,
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and then I'd pull myself out of, like,
my puke and, like, get into the
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in the cockpit row of rapid and then
collapse again right after that and pass.
462
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Oh, yeah. Yeah.
463
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Being sick on a long river
trip is truly a nightmare.
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And I we by the end of the trip,
every guide except for me is sick.
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Right?
So I'm out in front leading the trip.
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We get to camp, I'm shopping all the food.
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I'm cooking all the food.
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I'm taking care of all the guests
and all the guys that are sick.
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They do the entire last day by myself.
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Right.
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We get back and Fred, Devin
and it's like, hey, do you want a job?
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And I was like, I would love one,
but I just bought a river company, so.
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So I end up going. There doing.
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So. But honestly, on that trip
I was just like,
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do I really want to be a Grand Canyon
River guide?
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You know, I'd done an office trip
like, a baggage
477
00:22:57,042 --> 00:23:01,213
boat trip in the early 2000s
and had been told
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because of all my tattoos
and some of my piercings
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at that time, that I would never make it
in the Grand Canyon.
480
00:23:06,418 --> 00:23:09,187
So I got I got turned away
from being the guy at that time.
481
00:23:09,187 --> 00:23:10,756
But then I came back with asra
482
00:23:10,756 --> 00:23:12,824
and they were like,
hey, we'd love to have you.
483
00:23:12,824 --> 00:23:15,260
So. So I found my people a little bit
more anyways.
484
00:23:15,260 --> 00:23:16,361
Yeah, there you go.
485
00:23:16,361 --> 00:23:20,232
But, you know, it was funny
that that year in Colorado was great.
486
00:23:20,232 --> 00:23:23,235
We ran like 700 people in total.
487
00:23:23,268 --> 00:23:26,772
But at the end of that season,
my wife Amanda was like, look like
488
00:23:27,005 --> 00:23:31,343
we need to do something else or you need
to check me into like some sort of asylum
489
00:23:31,710 --> 00:23:34,413
because I cannot continue
to do all the office work.
490
00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:37,282
And we looked at it realistically
and we couldn't really pay anybody else
491
00:23:37,282 --> 00:23:38,216
to do it.
492
00:23:38,216 --> 00:23:41,253
So we ended up getting a job
at some crystal mine up in
493
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,489
outside of Seattle,
where we were like looking for crystals
494
00:23:44,489 --> 00:23:46,758
and making sure people weren't
stealing dynamite.
495
00:23:46,758 --> 00:23:48,894
And then I'd drive out and do sell trips.
496
00:23:48,894 --> 00:23:52,063
So I kind of did that for a little while
after we sold the business back.
497
00:23:52,164 --> 00:23:54,366
We just gave the business
back to the original owner.
498
00:23:54,366 --> 00:23:56,835
We're like, sorry, we can't do it. Here
it is.
499
00:23:56,835 --> 00:23:58,804
Wow.
500
00:23:58,804 --> 00:24:01,173
And then I called asra
and I was like, hey,
501
00:24:01,173 --> 00:24:03,008
let's talk about these trips
some more, right?
502
00:24:03,008 --> 00:24:06,945
And, and then I was doing like, surveys
and doing some ads of trips kind of
503
00:24:06,978 --> 00:24:08,046
going back and forth.
504
00:24:09,514 --> 00:24:11,149
You know, Dennis would get like a,
505
00:24:11,149 --> 00:24:15,086
a Dory trip, and he knew I had red Dory,
so asking for that.
506
00:24:15,086 --> 00:24:18,089
But originally I was doing like a lot
of kayaking trips when I came down.
507
00:24:18,557 --> 00:24:20,859
They needed to the kayak or not. Yeah.
508
00:24:20,859 --> 00:24:22,093
I sure do. Rocks.
509
00:24:22,093 --> 00:24:23,228
You know, I've been doing
510
00:24:23,228 --> 00:24:26,231
a bunch on the rocks on subways
and it's like, yeah, I can do that.
511
00:24:26,231 --> 00:24:27,933
No problem.
512
00:24:27,933 --> 00:24:30,135
So came down
and did a bunch of those trips.
513
00:24:30,135 --> 00:24:32,304
And then,
514
00:24:32,304 --> 00:24:34,606
you know, slowly just started
making the transition
515
00:24:34,606 --> 00:24:37,609
over to more into the Colorado.
516
00:24:37,742 --> 00:24:41,079
But it was funny because it was
it was kind of
517
00:24:41,112 --> 00:24:44,883
it was a forced decision, too,
because like, my boss
518
00:24:44,883 --> 00:24:49,387
Marty would get a little fed up with me,
maybe in Idaho and be like,
519
00:24:49,387 --> 00:24:50,922
hey, Liam, you need to take a break.
520
00:24:50,922 --> 00:24:53,792
So I go to Grand Canyon
and I do a bunch of trips,
521
00:24:53,792 --> 00:24:54,993
and then they'd be like, hey, Leo,
522
00:24:54,993 --> 00:24:57,963
we think you need to take a break,
so go back to Idaho.
523
00:24:57,963 --> 00:25:00,265
And it was like this perfect transition,
524
00:25:00,265 --> 00:25:03,368
actually, for a little while
where I was just like, okay, cool.
525
00:25:03,368 --> 00:25:05,303
I'll be back when you guys want me again.
526
00:25:05,303 --> 00:25:08,773
But the good thing was, is that they did
always want me to come back, right?
527
00:25:08,773 --> 00:25:11,776
So it's like there is more is there?
528
00:25:11,977 --> 00:25:14,980
And I'm coming back
more and doing like full seasons for asra.
529
00:25:15,380 --> 00:25:19,351
And, at one point
they asked me to take another break
530
00:25:19,751 --> 00:25:23,588
and I get a call about becoming
a swiftwater rescue instructor.
531
00:25:23,788 --> 00:25:26,791
Okay, okay, let's dive into this instead.
532
00:25:27,025 --> 00:25:31,796
And I start working for Julie and Abby,
at Cedar Rescue International.
533
00:25:31,796 --> 00:25:34,833
And,
did that for a year and a half straight
534
00:25:35,467 --> 00:25:37,702
and then realized
I was really missing the river.
535
00:25:37,702 --> 00:25:41,673
So started coming back
and doing more river trips, you know,
536
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,241
and that was that was great.
537
00:25:43,241 --> 00:25:46,244
I just, reimbursed myself
within the river.
538
00:25:46,845 --> 00:25:49,948
And, at some point,
I was working, like, full time doing
539
00:25:49,948 --> 00:25:53,418
you know, full seasons, but also doing
full time rescue instruction
540
00:25:53,818 --> 00:25:57,489
of like 100 classes a year, whether those
were swiftwater rescue taking.
541
00:25:57,489 --> 00:25:58,723
Oh, wow. Big load.
542
00:25:58,723 --> 00:25:59,958
Oh, God. Yeah.
543
00:25:59,958 --> 00:26:02,460
Or wilderness
first aid or first responder.
544
00:26:02,460 --> 00:26:04,062
And I kept teaching all these classes.
545
00:26:04,062 --> 00:26:07,265
And then at some point I thought,
you know, it'd be a great idea.
546
00:26:07,265 --> 00:26:09,334
I should get another job.
547
00:26:09,334 --> 00:26:13,471
So I got a job with the park Service, too,
on top of these other two jobs
548
00:26:13,471 --> 00:26:14,539
that I had.
549
00:26:14,539 --> 00:26:15,373
And I got a job
550
00:26:15,373 --> 00:26:19,177
working as, a river ranger for them,
kind of training all their guides and.
551
00:26:19,244 --> 00:26:22,247
Yeah, and teaching them
how to drive motor boats.
552
00:26:22,347 --> 00:26:24,849
So, And so we're up
553
00:26:24,849 --> 00:26:27,852
to, almost recent times
554
00:26:28,219 --> 00:26:31,222
as far as what year did you work for
the park?
555
00:26:31,623 --> 00:26:35,360
God, that was not that 22 I day.
556
00:26:35,694 --> 00:26:38,563
Somewhere in there.:somewhere in there.
557
00:26:38,563 --> 00:26:41,967
I was doing a,
I was teaching one of their classes
558
00:26:41,967 --> 00:26:45,270
early season, their swiftwater
rescue class.
559
00:26:45,270 --> 00:26:46,304
Right, right.
560
00:26:46,304 --> 00:26:50,041
And got asked if I had any interest
in coming in, working in,
561
00:26:50,041 --> 00:26:54,713
not law enforcement,
but, visitor protection and.
562
00:26:54,913 --> 00:26:55,680
Yeah, right.
563
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,817
And I followed all that
because there was the,
564
00:26:58,817 --> 00:27:02,153
different elements of transition. This was
565
00:27:03,121 --> 00:27:05,457
slightly
putting it that they were going through,
566
00:27:05,457 --> 00:27:08,460
and they were going to the street for,
567
00:27:10,095 --> 00:27:10,895
applicant.
568
00:27:10,895 --> 00:27:12,631
Yeah, applicants and stuff.
569
00:27:12,631 --> 00:27:13,565
And they're on the street.
570
00:27:13,565 --> 00:27:16,568
They found me.
571
00:27:16,801 --> 00:27:17,669
A good idea.
572
00:27:17,669 --> 00:27:18,703
You go to the street.
573
00:27:18,703 --> 00:27:21,706
That's right.
574
00:27:21,773 --> 00:27:23,541
And that was great.
575
00:27:23,541 --> 00:27:26,711
Let's jump back for a second and,
576
00:27:27,879 --> 00:27:30,015
you know,
577
00:27:30,015 --> 00:27:32,417
when I started in Grand Canyon,
there wasn't
578
00:27:32,417 --> 00:27:36,021
the 18 year
old rule or anything like that.
579
00:27:36,554 --> 00:27:40,291
But I really identify with you
as far as being a child boatman.
580
00:27:40,325 --> 00:27:41,192
Right?
581
00:27:41,192 --> 00:27:41,793
Yeah.
582
00:27:41,793 --> 00:27:44,763
First, I wanted to say that, but
583
00:27:45,096 --> 00:27:49,167
in regards to big adventures and stuff,
584
00:27:50,368 --> 00:27:53,371
around the time that you were
585
00:27:54,339 --> 00:27:55,640
working for asra
586
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,643
and needed another job, you thought.
587
00:27:58,843 --> 00:28:01,680
Yeah. You got work at the ghetto?
588
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,416
Yeah, it's a little bit of,
it's a problem sometimes.
589
00:28:04,416 --> 00:28:07,519
Well, I identify with that, too, but,
590
00:28:07,786 --> 00:28:11,122
I think it's a phenomenal story.
591
00:28:11,122 --> 00:28:14,125
And you and I have talked about it
for quite a while.
592
00:28:14,159 --> 00:28:17,162
You know, we're all professional guides.
593
00:28:17,328 --> 00:28:20,331
And you had an event at a camp
that I'd bet you
594
00:28:20,331 --> 00:28:24,369
I've kept at 30 or 40 times in my career.
595
00:28:24,736 --> 00:28:27,706
You know, it is, established.
596
00:28:27,706 --> 00:28:28,940
Absolutely.
597
00:28:28,940 --> 00:28:32,143
One of the known camps in Grand Canyon.
598
00:28:32,143 --> 00:28:32,977
And they're crazy.
599
00:28:34,579 --> 00:28:37,615
Event happened that you.
600
00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:40,118
Nobody would see that one coming.
601
00:28:40,118 --> 00:28:43,154
So I'll let you take it from here. Right.
602
00:28:43,688 --> 00:28:45,390
It's an amazing story.
603
00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:48,393
And so we're excited to hear it from
604
00:28:49,861 --> 00:28:51,963
your perspective, because it's going to be
605
00:28:51,963 --> 00:28:54,933
a story told for eons of time.
606
00:28:55,166 --> 00:29:01,106
Well, that, that particular trip, was
607
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,043
it was just a
it was a crazy, crazy amount.
608
00:29:05,043 --> 00:29:06,511
The events that led up to it,
609
00:29:06,511 --> 00:29:09,581
it's just I still think about it
and it just kind of came out of nowhere.
610
00:29:10,281 --> 00:29:12,217
We launched on trip.
611
00:29:12,217 --> 00:29:14,419
We knew that
there was going to be some rains
612
00:29:14,419 --> 00:29:17,255
and things like that, like normal
that time of year, like, knew
613
00:29:17,255 --> 00:29:20,258
that things were going to be coming down
and that there's going to be some money.
614
00:29:20,492 --> 00:29:22,427
And what month was it?
615
00:29:22,427 --> 00:29:23,862
July like mid-July.
616
00:29:23,862 --> 00:29:27,332
Middle
like monsoons are getting revenue up.
617
00:29:27,432 --> 00:29:32,337
And I had just gotten off
of like a vacation, with my ex
618
00:29:32,337 --> 00:29:36,274
wife and we, we had, you know, been
traveling up the coast and hanging out.
619
00:29:36,708 --> 00:29:39,344
And she had just actually gotten surgery
for,
620
00:29:39,344 --> 00:29:42,347
a head injury
that she had just prior to that.
621
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,016
Just got it done
like a couple weeks before.
622
00:29:45,016 --> 00:29:47,452
And we go out on this trip together,
623
00:29:47,452 --> 00:29:50,421
our first time going down
the Grand Canyon together.
624
00:29:50,455 --> 00:29:54,893
And, you know, we're the first night
is like, get a little rain.
625
00:29:55,827 --> 00:29:58,696
Pretty normal, no big deal.
626
00:29:58,696 --> 00:30:00,832
Everybody, you know, was a little wet.
627
00:30:00,832 --> 00:30:02,400
The next day, but that's about it.
628
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,070
And you guys are, to book
two motors? Yep.
629
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:10,742
Two motors on that trip, me and, Maggie
Oliver was my my lead guide,
630
00:30:11,342 --> 00:30:14,412
and,
I was supporting her in the second boat,
631
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:18,082
and, we ended up,
632
00:30:18,082 --> 00:30:20,218
you know, going through
having a beautiful second day.
633
00:30:20,218 --> 00:30:23,755
Just the normal stops, right on the red
wall, doing all the things,
634
00:30:24,189 --> 00:30:25,156
doing a couple little walks.
635
00:30:25,156 --> 00:30:27,859
I think we had at South Canyon that day.
636
00:30:27,859 --> 00:30:30,862
Checked out some of the,
the pictographs up there
637
00:30:31,196 --> 00:30:33,164
and, or the petroglyphs up there.
638
00:30:33,164 --> 00:30:34,799
And then we went downstream
639
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:38,203
and, started looking for a camp
that we could dry stuff out.
640
00:30:38,603 --> 00:30:40,171
Sun was still out,
641
00:30:40,171 --> 00:30:43,675
talked about a couple different options,
and, and, Maggie was like,
642
00:30:43,675 --> 00:30:46,377
hey, this is the camp.
I camped out a lot with Wilderness Lake.
643
00:30:46,377 --> 00:30:49,948
I'd actually never camped there before,
and it was at lower tide.
644
00:30:49,948 --> 00:30:50,882
A hot tub, beach.
645
00:30:50,882 --> 00:30:51,216
Right.
646
00:30:51,216 --> 00:30:54,686
Like so what is that, about quarter
to a half mile below Tapo
647
00:30:54,686 --> 00:30:57,689
Canyon, down there in that corner pocket.
648
00:30:58,189 --> 00:31:00,191
And I was like, great.
I've seen it. Never stopped there.
649
00:31:00,191 --> 00:31:00,892
Let's do it.
650
00:31:00,892 --> 00:31:03,895
And we fall down over
there was beautiful afternoon.
651
00:31:04,162 --> 00:31:05,029
Everybody was swimming
652
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:09,033
and kind of drying out their stuff,
like having, having, just a nice day.
653
00:31:09,701 --> 00:31:14,439
And we decided to, kind of close up shop
and start cooking about that time.
654
00:31:14,806 --> 00:31:18,810
And right as we start to make that move,
the rain just moves in
655
00:31:18,810 --> 00:31:20,612
and it's it's coming down.
656
00:31:20,612 --> 00:31:21,045
So everybody's
657
00:31:21,045 --> 00:31:24,249
grabbing all their stuff off the beach,
running back their tents to put it away.
658
00:31:24,983 --> 00:31:26,885
And the kids just coming down. Come down.
659
00:31:26,885 --> 00:31:28,653
We get up an umbrella and a couple
660
00:31:28,653 --> 00:31:31,823
umbrellas to like take him to the kitchen
so they can still start cooking.
661
00:31:32,457 --> 00:31:35,059
And the rain is really coming down now.
662
00:31:35,059 --> 00:31:37,128
And, you know, later
I found out that it dropped
663
00:31:37,128 --> 00:31:39,464
like three inches in 30 minutes
on top of us.
664
00:31:39,464 --> 00:31:42,166
Like directly on top of a deluge.
665
00:31:42,166 --> 00:31:46,204
Like, I mean, it was it wasn't even like
there was a bunch of canyons near us
666
00:31:46,204 --> 00:31:47,205
that got a lot of this.
667
00:31:47,205 --> 00:31:51,709
It was right on top of us that it
basically concentrated most of that.
668
00:31:52,277 --> 00:31:56,080
And at this point, you know,
the ceiling was on like 200ft above us.
669
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,883
So it's just like black out
raining in there.
670
00:31:58,883 --> 00:32:00,585
And, you know, during this rain,
671
00:32:00,585 --> 00:32:04,322
I realize, you know,
I put the downstream groover in the, the,
672
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:07,792
there's a pour off down there with like,
a little wash that goes out,
673
00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:09,961
and I put the groover in it.
674
00:32:09,961 --> 00:32:10,695
There's like, a couple of
675
00:32:10,695 --> 00:32:15,099
giant rocks in the back where, you know,
it's kind of got some privacy whatnot.
676
00:32:15,099 --> 00:32:17,001
And I was like, well, the rain's come in.
677
00:32:17,001 --> 00:32:19,671
It's continuing to kind of,
I should go move the groove in
678
00:32:19,671 --> 00:32:21,172
and get it into a different spot.
679
00:32:21,172 --> 00:32:22,707
So I check in with the rest of Europe.
680
00:32:22,707 --> 00:32:24,409
I'm like, hey, I'm going to do
this. I'll see you in a bit.
681
00:32:25,443 --> 00:32:28,079
So go down, down the beach and,
682
00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:33,551
I go down and find one of our guests,
Randy, this guy hanging out underneath
683
00:32:33,551 --> 00:32:35,420
one of the boulders,
like hanging out under there.
684
00:32:35,420 --> 00:32:37,121
It's it's raining. And I'm like, Randy,
what are you doing?
685
00:32:37,121 --> 00:32:40,124
He's like, well, I'm
waiting for my daughter to set my tent up
686
00:32:40,325 --> 00:32:43,528
because I don't want to get wet, and I'm
just going to wait for him to do that
687
00:32:43,561 --> 00:32:46,230
or her to do that. And I was like,
okay, cool.
688
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:49,334
Well, hey, if it keeps raining like this,
I need you to come back with me.
689
00:32:49,334 --> 00:32:50,535
I'm going to go move this toilet.
690
00:32:50,535 --> 00:32:53,071
Then I'm going to move, you know,
then you and I need to move too.
691
00:32:53,071 --> 00:32:56,074
You can't be hanging out like, right here,
because you're kind of
692
00:32:56,074 --> 00:32:59,010
on the far end of camp
and away from everybody.
693
00:32:59,010 --> 00:33:02,113
And just as I say
that, it starts just like hail.
694
00:33:02,113 --> 00:33:03,414
It comes down even harder.
695
00:33:03,414 --> 00:33:06,951
And at this point, I think about it
and I walk down to the bottom of the beach
696
00:33:06,951 --> 00:33:09,520
and I just yell out,
see if anybody's down there,
697
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,123
and come back up to where the grouper is.
698
00:33:12,123 --> 00:33:17,295
And it starts hailing like these, like,
softball size, not quite,
699
00:33:17,795 --> 00:33:21,332
baseball size, like hail balls
that are almost like clear ice.
700
00:33:21,599 --> 00:33:22,266
Oh, really?
701
00:33:22,266 --> 00:33:24,335
Like,
see through. Like it's just coming down.
702
00:33:24,335 --> 00:33:27,338
And I had bruises all over my body,
and so did a bunch of other people.
703
00:33:27,672 --> 00:33:31,509
Not just from the rocks,
but from the fruit, from those, that hail
704
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:32,343
that was coming in.
705
00:33:32,343 --> 00:33:35,346
Well, and I'd never seen hail like that
clear either.
706
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,417
You know, and one thing that I've learned
after voting in the desert
707
00:33:39,417 --> 00:33:43,121
for a long time is that anytime
you seen hail when it's that hot out,
708
00:33:43,554 --> 00:33:45,523
get ready for some sort of flood like.
709
00:33:45,523 --> 00:33:50,261
And it just became really apparent to me
that day, as soon as the hail stopped,
710
00:33:50,261 --> 00:33:53,831
I looked up and I started seeing a trickle
coming off of the top of the wall.
711
00:33:53,831 --> 00:33:56,634
And again, not in a drainage
just off of the wall.
712
00:33:56,634 --> 00:33:58,836
And I was like, all right, Randy,
we got to get move in and like,
713
00:33:58,836 --> 00:33:59,604
get him up.
714
00:33:59,604 --> 00:34:02,140
And and then it just starts coming over
more and more.
715
00:34:02,140 --> 00:34:03,841
And I'm like, Randy, we got to move now.
716
00:34:03,841 --> 00:34:06,611
And before I know it, I'm in like knee
deep water
717
00:34:06,611 --> 00:34:11,049
walking across
like what is barely a two foot wide ditch.
718
00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:12,450
You know?
719
00:34:12,450 --> 00:34:14,452
And I try to grab the toilet again.
720
00:34:14,452 --> 00:34:16,454
But then I realized
this is just ridiculous.
721
00:34:16,454 --> 00:34:17,688
Like, I don't need to be out the toilet.
722
00:34:17,688 --> 00:34:19,524
I need to get everybody out of there.
723
00:34:19,524 --> 00:34:22,560
And as I'm looking through camp,
I see water just coming through
724
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,795
every part of camp.
725
00:34:23,795 --> 00:34:26,564
Like the entire camp is starting
to have water come down the walls.
726
00:34:26,564 --> 00:34:29,400
And I've been in those situations
before, like Zorro,
727
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,103
Zoroaster, a couple other places
starts coming over the wall.
728
00:34:32,103 --> 00:34:33,671
Things start flood and it's like,
okay, okay,
729
00:34:33,671 --> 00:34:35,940
everybody just get a little higher ground.
730
00:34:35,940 --> 00:34:38,476
And I'm thinking
that as I'm looking at this, but
731
00:34:38,476 --> 00:34:41,579
then all of a sudden rocks start
coming down and it starts just peeling off
732
00:34:41,579 --> 00:34:45,349
giant rocks, little rocks, everything
just crashing all around everyone.
733
00:34:46,084 --> 00:34:49,353
And at this point
it's it's getting so dark
734
00:34:49,353 --> 00:34:53,224
from all of the sand and mud in the air
that it's getting hard to see.
735
00:34:53,224 --> 00:34:55,560
It's getting hard to breathe
like everything else.
736
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,662
And I'm just like, run for the boats.
737
00:34:57,662 --> 00:35:00,998
And I started going through camp
and luckily I was on that downstream side,
738
00:35:01,165 --> 00:35:03,167
like I drove.
739
00:35:03,167 --> 00:35:05,670
So I ran towards my boat
yelling to everybody.
740
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:08,139
And at first I was telling them
to grab their lifejackets, right?
741
00:35:08,139 --> 00:35:11,442
But then within two seconds
it got so bad that there's boulders
742
00:35:11,442 --> 00:35:14,912
now rolling off and crashing through tents
and everywhere else.
743
00:35:14,912 --> 00:35:18,182
And I just said,
just run, run, run, run for the boats.
744
00:35:18,182 --> 00:35:20,551
And just like, encourage people to run.
745
00:35:20,551 --> 00:35:25,690
And as I go through, I can see like,
one of our guides, Santo and,
746
00:35:25,756 --> 00:35:29,327
my ex-wife Kristen is there,
and they're helping people
747
00:35:29,327 --> 00:35:32,897
onto the boats after, like,
I jump on first and I run to the back.
748
00:35:32,897 --> 00:35:33,698
I start the motor,
749
00:35:33,698 --> 00:35:37,835
put my life jacket on, and,
give the other lifejacket to Kristen.
750
00:35:37,835 --> 00:35:40,638
I'm like, help people on. Right.
And she's helping them on.
751
00:35:40,638 --> 00:35:43,641
I'm getting the boat, like,
set to get out of there.
752
00:35:43,741 --> 00:35:47,411
And we get as many people as we can,
and they're getting loaded onto my boat
753
00:35:47,411 --> 00:35:48,579
and onto Maggie's boat.
754
00:35:48,579 --> 00:35:53,251
And Maggie's is tied downstream,
and we see as many people as we can.
755
00:35:53,251 --> 00:35:54,986
And I'm like,
all right, Kristen, untie the boat.
756
00:35:54,986 --> 00:35:57,955
She's like, I can't get back to shore.
757
00:35:57,955 --> 00:35:59,490
She's like, I can't get back to shore.
758
00:35:59,490 --> 00:36:00,658
There's a river that's opened
759
00:36:00,658 --> 00:36:03,728
up, like right at that sandy beach
that was on the upstream side.
760
00:36:04,829 --> 00:36:05,963
And I'm like, cut the ropes.
761
00:36:05,963 --> 00:36:08,232
And she goes to reach for a knife
and the knife is gone.
762
00:36:08,232 --> 00:36:10,034
So I tell her to stay in the back.
763
00:36:10,034 --> 00:36:14,972
I put my motor into the water and lock it
in place and put it in like full reverse
764
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,809
and just go through, pull out my knife
and start cutting the two lines
765
00:36:18,809 --> 00:36:21,812
in between mine and Maggie's boat,
and then cut the front line.
766
00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:24,849
So as I cut the front line,
the boat starts peeling out.
767
00:36:24,849 --> 00:36:27,518
But it starts peeling downstream
and we're going like straight
768
00:36:27,518 --> 00:36:31,155
for this gigantic waterfall that is formed
on the downstream side of camp.
769
00:36:31,889 --> 00:36:34,592
And I'm just like, okay,
if we go under that, we're screwed.
770
00:36:34,592 --> 00:36:37,728
And there's like, as I'm jumping in there,
there's a rock
771
00:36:37,728 --> 00:36:40,932
that's like the size of my head
or bigger that bounces off my cowling.
772
00:36:41,365 --> 00:36:42,633
Another one that lands in between
773
00:36:42,633 --> 00:36:46,304
my feet puts like a three
inch dent in the, diamond plate there.
774
00:36:47,004 --> 00:36:49,373
And then I looked over to the side
and Kristen is, like,
775
00:36:49,373 --> 00:36:52,443
motionless on my side
tube, like not moving.
776
00:36:52,577 --> 00:36:54,845
And, you know,
she just had surgery for head.
777
00:36:54,845 --> 00:36:56,647
So I'm like, did you hit your head?
778
00:36:56,647 --> 00:36:58,015
And she's like, no.
779
00:36:58,015 --> 00:36:59,150
And I'm like, you got to get up.
780
00:36:59,150 --> 00:36:59,750
You got to move.
781
00:36:59,750 --> 00:37:02,253
And she's like,
I can't. And I'm just like, fuck, right?
782
00:37:02,253 --> 00:37:04,322
But I'm trying to drive away from shore.
783
00:37:04,322 --> 00:37:07,325
So I get up and I grab her
and I'm able to pull her from that side
784
00:37:07,325 --> 00:37:12,096
tube onto my gas tank and and like,
I just, like, touch her body real quick,
785
00:37:12,096 --> 00:37:15,099
and I touch your pelvis
and it's like, soft.
786
00:37:15,099 --> 00:37:16,500
And I'm like, fuck.
787
00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:17,935
And I keep driving. I grab my.
788
00:37:17,935 --> 00:37:20,238
So I like my arm and I hit the S.O.S.
789
00:37:20,238 --> 00:37:21,839
and then I
yell out to everybody on my boat,
790
00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:23,641
see if anybody's got medical experience.
791
00:37:23,641 --> 00:37:27,011
And luckily there's a guy on the boat
who has gone through Sere rescue
792
00:37:27,011 --> 00:37:30,448
training, which I know
Sierra Rescue because I teach for him.
793
00:37:31,482 --> 00:37:35,219
So I had him come
back and take over that medical direct
794
00:37:35,253 --> 00:37:39,323
like that medical care for her,
because I was busy searching for people
795
00:37:39,323 --> 00:37:42,693
and also trying to drive the boat
in these new flood conditions
796
00:37:43,194 --> 00:37:45,997
at the river
came up to like 30,000 during that time.
797
00:37:45,997 --> 00:37:46,564
And the whole.
798
00:37:46,564 --> 00:37:50,701
Spirit is just cast in mud and rocks
flying.
799
00:37:50,768 --> 00:37:54,472
And well, and then finally, you know,
Maggie pulls out after a few seconds
800
00:37:54,472 --> 00:37:55,306
later,
801
00:37:55,306 --> 00:37:58,309
you know, where I didn't even know she was
going to be able to pull out of there.
802
00:37:59,010 --> 00:38:00,911
And that whole time
I was sitting in the back of the boat
803
00:38:00,911 --> 00:38:02,880
loading people up
even before all that happened.
804
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,348
Like, I didn't even know,
805
00:38:04,348 --> 00:38:06,617
like a thousand different
things went through my mind of like,
806
00:38:06,617 --> 00:38:09,787
jump under the gas tank,
get out of the boat, swam like,
807
00:38:09,787 --> 00:38:12,790
do something different
because I was just getting barraged
808
00:38:12,990 --> 00:38:15,826
and everybody was luckily,
everybody on my ass
809
00:38:15,826 --> 00:38:19,363
rig had the floor is off in the front,
so they're using those over their head
810
00:38:19,363 --> 00:38:20,431
to protect themselves.
811
00:38:20,431 --> 00:38:21,866
But on Maggie's boat, like,
812
00:38:21,866 --> 00:38:24,869
her floors weren't up
because she didn't have all the drinks.
813
00:38:25,269 --> 00:38:28,139
So a lot of people ended up getting,
like bumps on their hands.
814
00:38:28,139 --> 00:38:30,508
Heads like chest like, all over the place.
815
00:38:30,508 --> 00:38:33,210
So good Lord that she pulls out.
816
00:38:33,210 --> 00:38:35,880
We both pull out
and I get Kristen up on the side.
817
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,014
Somebody checking her out,
818
00:38:37,014 --> 00:38:39,350
we get a quick assessment
of like all the injuries
819
00:38:39,350 --> 00:38:41,686
and how many people we have,
and we realize that we're missing
820
00:38:41,686 --> 00:38:45,656
five people and
and now we're just like hovering in place.
821
00:38:45,656 --> 00:38:46,657
And it's like I said, it
822
00:38:46,657 --> 00:38:50,127
went up to like 30 grand
from like 12,000, like it was huge.
823
00:38:50,561 --> 00:38:53,831
I mean, by the time we drove into Redbud,
the waves are still eight,
824
00:38:53,831 --> 00:38:56,934
ten feet and we're redbud
like giant logs everywhere.
825
00:38:56,934 --> 00:38:58,102
Just insane. Right?
826
00:38:58,102 --> 00:39:01,072
Water pouring in from everywhere
you could possibly see.
827
00:39:01,072 --> 00:39:02,373
Insane.
828
00:39:02,373 --> 00:39:04,241
So the water finally stops.
829
00:39:04,241 --> 00:39:05,843
We didn't see anybody. Right?
830
00:39:05,843 --> 00:39:06,610
So we're like,
831
00:39:06,610 --> 00:39:08,446
okay, well,
we don't know where they're at,
832
00:39:08,446 --> 00:39:10,781
so let's go pull over
and take care of these people.
833
00:39:10,781 --> 00:39:15,219
We pull over, we call the Park Service
at this time instead of just the S.O.S.,
834
00:39:15,586 --> 00:39:19,256
they tell us evac at Redbud,
we give them an assessment
835
00:39:19,256 --> 00:39:23,094
of like the worst and injuries,
which Kristen is the worst by far.
836
00:39:23,461 --> 00:39:26,464
And there's a handful other people
that need immediate evacuation, too.
837
00:39:26,464 --> 00:39:28,299
But they're like,
hey, like, get to Redbud.
838
00:39:28,299 --> 00:39:29,867
We'll do our best.
839
00:39:29,867 --> 00:39:31,936
And everybody on our boat is freezing.
840
00:39:31,936 --> 00:39:32,536
There's like people
841
00:39:32,536 --> 00:39:35,706
that are naked, there's people
without lifejackets, like everything,
842
00:39:35,706 --> 00:39:37,675
because we ran for our lives
to get out of there.
843
00:39:37,675 --> 00:39:39,744
Oh yeah, it's wild. This is. Wild.
844
00:39:39,744 --> 00:39:43,547
So like,
we we still have our bags on the boat,
845
00:39:43,681 --> 00:39:47,551
so we take out our clothes and start
handing them out to everybody, right.
846
00:39:47,551 --> 00:39:49,320
And like, they're wearing, like our
847
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,023
all of our random clothes for our trip
to try to dry off and warm up
848
00:39:53,557 --> 00:39:55,126
because they're all starting
to get hypothermic,
849
00:39:55,126 --> 00:39:58,362
which could easily turn into our biggest
problem with that many people out there.
850
00:39:58,362 --> 00:39:59,363
Right?
851
00:39:59,363 --> 00:40:03,501
So as we're getting ready, like Maggie
and I talk,
852
00:40:03,501 --> 00:40:06,504
Maggie is going to go and search
the other beach, and I'm going to take
853
00:40:06,504 --> 00:40:09,507
Kristen down to the evac
and get the evac zone set up.
854
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,610
And as we're getting ready to part ways,
we look over
855
00:40:12,610 --> 00:40:15,613
and we see people waving their arms
on the other side of the river.
856
00:40:15,946 --> 00:40:18,949
And, it was three of the people
that we had been missing.
857
00:40:19,750 --> 00:40:22,920
And Maggie went over there,
I went downstream, Maggie
858
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,090
luckily had a couple people that were
well trained on her boat, as well as like
859
00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:27,458
avalanche specialist, like search
860
00:40:27,458 --> 00:40:31,662
specialist, like some other wilderness
first aid, people as well.
861
00:40:31,662 --> 00:40:34,331
So she's getting care, taken care of.
862
00:40:34,331 --> 00:40:38,035
She goes over it, gets these other
three people, but we're still missing two.
863
00:40:38,335 --> 00:40:41,806
And unfortunately,
one of which that was buried there
864
00:40:41,806 --> 00:40:44,809
then that we didn't find out about
till the next day.
865
00:40:44,909 --> 00:40:47,344
The other gal had actually
washed into the river
866
00:40:47,344 --> 00:40:51,048
and grabbed a drive back and washed, like,
almost all the way to the mouth of Tara.
867
00:40:51,048 --> 00:40:53,083
Had so canyon upstream.
868
00:40:53,083 --> 00:40:56,821
And then she didn't come back down
for almost an hour like after we left.
869
00:40:56,821 --> 00:40:59,790
She came back down
and floated in on a dry bag.
870
00:40:59,790 --> 00:41:02,726
But she got, caught in the Indian.
871
00:41:02,726 --> 00:41:05,863
Eddy and it pushed her
all the way back up to the Hudson Canyon.
872
00:41:06,363 --> 00:41:08,432
Oh my. Like a half mile upstream.
873
00:41:08,432 --> 00:41:10,501
And then she came back
and she was able to climb out
874
00:41:10,501 --> 00:41:14,038
on all this debris, like all this wood
and everything else, get back to shore.
875
00:41:14,338 --> 00:41:17,741
And she stayed the night in the only tent
that hadn't been trashed
876
00:41:17,741 --> 00:41:21,011
like she was able to find food and
everything else and survive that night.
877
00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:23,681
But I go
878
00:41:23,681 --> 00:41:27,885
downstream and I get to redbud,
and I set up a evac zone, and I'm getting.
879
00:41:27,885 --> 00:41:29,887
Everybody's taken care of as I can.
880
00:41:29,887 --> 00:41:32,122
I find five other tents,
and I'm like, great.
881
00:41:32,122 --> 00:41:35,125
At least we have some tents
that we can put up for people.
882
00:41:35,359 --> 00:41:37,461
Park service comes in,
but they can't even land.
883
00:41:37,461 --> 00:41:41,432
They throw out like two MREs
and two medics who jump out and they,
884
00:41:41,732 --> 00:41:45,669
And then Park flies off and they're like,
we'll get you as soon as we can, right?
885
00:41:45,703 --> 00:41:47,404
But it's getting dark at this point.
886
00:41:47,404 --> 00:41:50,441
It's still raining, the ceiling
still like 200ft above our heads.
887
00:41:50,441 --> 00:41:53,444
Like, I'm so like
we're all so lucky that they made it in.
888
00:41:53,911 --> 00:41:56,580
And, at that point,
889
00:41:56,580 --> 00:41:59,650
you know, we start,
they start looking at Kristen,
890
00:41:59,650 --> 00:42:02,653
they start looking at everybody
else, and Maggie finally pulls in.
891
00:42:02,987 --> 00:42:05,356
We get tents set up for as many people.
892
00:42:05,356 --> 00:42:07,558
Well, everybody,
we just get a bunch of people
893
00:42:07,558 --> 00:42:10,461
in each tent,
so their body wants to keep them warm.
894
00:42:10,461 --> 00:42:14,665
We get out trash bags, make sleeping
bags, make, you know, raincoats.
895
00:42:14,665 --> 00:42:18,636
Everything else we have,
still a, an easy out there.
896
00:42:18,636 --> 00:42:21,772
We set up for, like, a med tent
instead of the easy up,
897
00:42:21,772 --> 00:42:25,743
and we get the most injured
into that tent, which is Kristen.
898
00:42:25,743 --> 00:42:29,780
And like, two other guests that are now
getting taken care of by the park service,
899
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,050
and they're amazing medics, like,
thank God for those guys.
900
00:42:33,050 --> 00:42:34,685
Yeah, those guys do a great job.
901
00:42:34,685 --> 00:42:38,622
And these guys were there were,
like paramedics and a military medic.
902
00:42:38,622 --> 00:42:40,391
They were like visiting,
903
00:42:40,391 --> 00:42:43,394
but they were the best people
to be out there for us that day.
904
00:42:43,594 --> 00:42:44,562
And,
905
00:42:45,663 --> 00:42:46,430
they end up,
906
00:42:46,430 --> 00:42:49,500
you know, running this triage tent,
taking care of them.
907
00:42:49,500 --> 00:42:52,903
Maggie and I just start going around
taking care of everybody else, like,
908
00:42:52,903 --> 00:42:55,906
you know, because there's a lot of other
injuries out there,
909
00:42:55,906 --> 00:42:58,976
and we just set up like a command post.
910
00:42:58,976 --> 00:43:01,979
We let people know where we are,
we stay up all night long.
911
00:43:02,012 --> 00:43:03,480
Just checking in on people.
912
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:04,548
And it was a rough night.
913
00:43:04,548 --> 00:43:07,751
Like, there is still two families missing,
you know, members.
914
00:43:08,252 --> 00:43:11,188
I know it was hard. Actionable, really.
915
00:43:11,188 --> 00:43:12,489
And then the, you know,
916
00:43:12,489 --> 00:43:15,426
one of the medics finally calls me over
after a really hard night.
917
00:43:15,426 --> 00:43:17,361
Like, I got called over
the med tent several times
918
00:43:17,361 --> 00:43:19,563
because they thought Kristen
was going to die, right.
919
00:43:19,563 --> 00:43:21,865
And and she didn't, thankfully.
920
00:43:21,865 --> 00:43:23,334
And we end up,
921
00:43:24,501 --> 00:43:25,803
eventually getting
922
00:43:25,803 --> 00:43:29,473
a call that there's a helicopter
coming in and me and one of the medics
923
00:43:29,473 --> 00:43:32,576
go and set up, like all of our chem
lights, all of our light sticks,
924
00:43:32,576 --> 00:43:34,011
all over in the drainage.
925
00:43:34,011 --> 00:43:35,713
And we find, like this perfect
926
00:43:35,713 --> 00:43:38,949
outline of a helicopter,
which is just big enough for a helicopter.
927
00:43:39,516 --> 00:43:40,417
And they fly in.
928
00:43:40,417 --> 00:43:42,019
I think that first one landed
929
00:43:42,019 --> 00:43:46,056
at like four somewhere around,
like 345 four in the morning.
930
00:43:46,056 --> 00:43:48,459
So, you know, the event happened at 530.
931
00:43:48,459 --> 00:43:51,161
So quite a ways after the event.
932
00:43:51,161 --> 00:43:54,164
And they got Kristen on that
first chopper, flew her out.
933
00:43:55,232 --> 00:43:57,034
Asked me
if I wanted to go on the second one.
934
00:43:57,034 --> 00:44:00,037
And I was like, I'm not leave
until everybody's out of here.
935
00:44:00,337 --> 00:44:04,475
And we started prioritizing medical evac
all day long triage.
936
00:44:04,575 --> 00:44:08,979
And as everybody was getting out, like,
I just I started trying to get people
937
00:44:08,979 --> 00:44:13,183
to wash
clothes, like, dry out their stuff, like,
938
00:44:13,183 --> 00:44:16,186
do anything
to try to distract them to that day.
939
00:44:16,353 --> 00:44:18,989
During that day,
the guests who had floated up on the dry
940
00:44:18,989 --> 00:44:22,626
bag got retrieved by another company,
and they brought them down,
941
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:24,962
and they rejoined our group.
942
00:44:24,962 --> 00:44:27,131
And that was a big moment of celebration.
943
00:44:27,131 --> 00:44:30,467
But also like, hard
because we're still missing someone.
944
00:44:30,668 --> 00:44:32,403
Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.
945
00:44:32,403 --> 00:44:35,839
And we found that out like right
before we flew out at the end of the day.
946
00:44:36,407 --> 00:44:39,843
And and then we eventually got
I end up flying out
947
00:44:39,843 --> 00:44:42,846
on the last flight
at like 530 that afternoon
948
00:44:43,113 --> 00:44:46,950
and, and then, getting back up top
and getting taken back to Flagstaff.
949
00:44:48,085 --> 00:44:49,453
Incredible story.
950
00:44:49,453 --> 00:44:52,556
And I will say, in my career,
951
00:44:53,924 --> 00:44:58,562
from 70 on, that is, established
952
00:45:00,297 --> 00:45:03,634
Grand Canyon camp and there's no way
953
00:45:04,635 --> 00:45:07,638
I would ever foresee what happened there.
954
00:45:07,771 --> 00:45:10,674
Well, it was
it was crazy to me, like, I, I,
955
00:45:10,674 --> 00:45:14,545
I went down on another trip,
four days later,
956
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:18,115
I jumped on a trip with the seven,
and they were doing a family trip.
957
00:45:18,115 --> 00:45:21,118
And I jumped on with them because I was so
958
00:45:21,585 --> 00:45:24,154
I was just so confused
by what had happened
959
00:45:24,154 --> 00:45:26,223
that I had to see it again
for myself. Right.
960
00:45:26,223 --> 00:45:28,592
So I did a trip with them down there.
961
00:45:28,592 --> 00:45:31,462
I walked all around it.
I went up above it.
962
00:45:31,462 --> 00:45:33,831
I hiked out at eminence on that trip.
963
00:45:33,831 --> 00:45:34,531
Had a couple
964
00:45:34,531 --> 00:45:38,869
guys come and meet me, and I got with them
and we went and looked all around up
965
00:45:38,869 --> 00:45:42,740
top to to see because I was just like,
where did all this water come from?
966
00:45:43,140 --> 00:45:44,942
Because again, there's no drainage there.
967
00:45:44,942 --> 00:45:47,144
There's no like there's no pathway really.
968
00:45:47,144 --> 00:45:51,181
But it was just that catchment
just caught everything that day.
969
00:45:51,849 --> 00:45:55,452
You know, it's such an unusual event.
970
00:45:55,919 --> 00:45:57,087
I mean, it really is.
971
00:45:57,087 --> 00:46:01,925
And, you know, and all the big huge
storms, you see, seldom do you see
972
00:46:02,659 --> 00:46:07,131
out of drainage
sort of activity like that.
973
00:46:07,131 --> 00:46:10,300
You know, it's
such an incredibly rare event.
974
00:46:10,501 --> 00:46:11,335
Right.
975
00:46:11,335 --> 00:46:14,071
But, especially at that volume,
976
00:46:15,205 --> 00:46:16,774
it had to have been huge
977
00:46:16,774 --> 00:46:20,677
volume because all my life there's
been that rock in the middle of the river
978
00:46:20,711 --> 00:46:24,782
right below that cap,
and it moved it out of there.
979
00:46:24,782 --> 00:46:27,818
Well,
the three rocks that were originally up
980
00:46:27,818 --> 00:46:31,255
where I set the Goober up
to where I had found Randy originally.
981
00:46:31,255 --> 00:46:31,588
You know,
982
00:46:31,588 --> 00:46:35,492
those are huge boulders that got moved
several hundred feet right there, too.
983
00:46:35,526 --> 00:46:36,527
Oh, yeah, I know it.
984
00:46:36,527 --> 00:46:40,364
Spread out across that that little delta
now there too, it was
985
00:46:40,898 --> 00:46:45,736
I mean, you know, oddly enough,
like another video resurfaced
986
00:46:45,736 --> 00:46:49,173
just like a month or two ago
where there's a couple of, like,
987
00:46:49,173 --> 00:46:52,743
anonymous accounts on Instagram
that started posting videos of it again,
988
00:46:53,076 --> 00:46:55,979
and I saw some footage
that I hadn't even seen before.
989
00:46:55,979 --> 00:46:59,183
I probably I saw some of those.
990
00:46:59,183 --> 00:46:59,349
Yeah.
991
00:46:59,349 --> 00:47:02,186
And I replayed them easily ten times.
Yeah.
992
00:47:02,186 --> 00:47:05,222
It's it's incredible
to see like where our camp was and like
993
00:47:05,255 --> 00:47:08,258
the water was coming down in that area
insane.
994
00:47:08,992 --> 00:47:11,295
Well, you know,
995
00:47:11,295 --> 00:47:14,665
you and I have talked
about sitting down and talking about this.
996
00:47:14,731 --> 00:47:14,998
Yeah,
997
00:47:15,933 --> 00:47:17,134
but it's such a.
998
00:47:17,134 --> 00:47:17,835
Heavy.
999
00:47:17,835 --> 00:47:22,306
Duty story to hear for any boatman,
you know, and you're.
Speaker:
00:47:22,306 --> 00:47:25,442
We're in charge of a lot of lives, and,
it's,
Speaker:
00:47:26,743 --> 00:47:29,746
highly impactful event and,
Speaker:
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,516
couple things,
Speaker:
00:47:32,516 --> 00:47:36,753
make me realize
what a professional you are
Speaker:
00:47:36,753 --> 00:47:42,326
is that you had to go right back
down there and see the place, revisit it.
Speaker:
00:47:42,326 --> 00:47:45,729
But, going hiking out, eminence
Speaker:
00:47:45,729 --> 00:47:49,666
and going over there and looking at the,
rim terrain.
Speaker:
00:47:49,666 --> 00:47:50,367
Yeah.
Speaker:
00:47:50,367 --> 00:47:51,635
I mean, you're a pro's pro.
Speaker:
00:47:51,635 --> 00:47:53,470
I really tip my hat to that.
Speaker:
00:47:53,470 --> 00:47:55,706
I just had to see it for myself, you know?
Speaker:
00:47:55,706 --> 00:47:58,141
But,
Speaker:
00:47:58,141 --> 00:48:00,811
You know, as a guide,
you take, people's lives
Speaker:
00:48:00,811 --> 00:48:03,780
so seriously and,
Speaker:
00:48:03,981 --> 00:48:06,984
there is nobody
that would have seen that coming.
Speaker:
00:48:07,084 --> 00:48:10,354
I mean, that is the freakiest story.
Speaker:
00:48:10,354 --> 00:48:15,192
And storm and,
you know, it's the perfect storm for you.
Speaker:
00:48:15,225 --> 00:48:17,394
It really was all different reasons.
Speaker:
00:48:17,394 --> 00:48:20,430
I mean, and thank you so much
for sharing it with us. And,
Speaker:
00:48:21,465 --> 00:48:23,467
it's going to be a
Speaker:
00:48:23,467 --> 00:48:27,437
story told for a long, long time
because I don't care.
Speaker:
00:48:27,437 --> 00:48:30,941
You know, boatmen tell about these storms
they've been in.
Speaker:
00:48:30,941 --> 00:48:34,711
And I've been in Easley
as many as anybody.
Speaker:
00:48:34,778 --> 00:48:35,545
Right.
Speaker:
00:48:35,545 --> 00:48:37,848
I've never seen anything like, you.
Speaker:
00:48:37,848 --> 00:48:41,251
Know, I've had my share of flash floods
in camp, but, Yeah.
Speaker:
00:48:41,385 --> 00:48:44,388
And I'll tell you, I hope
to never see anything like that again.
Speaker:
00:48:44,388 --> 00:48:50,260
Well, it's a remarkably rare
or freak event, you know?
Speaker:
00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:55,766
And, if we had very many of those, we'd
probably be be accountants or.
Speaker:
00:48:55,766 --> 00:49:00,470
Yeah, go back to school or and become,
you know, surgeons or.
Speaker:
00:49:00,570 --> 00:49:01,772
Well, you know,
Speaker:
00:49:01,772 --> 00:49:04,675
and I had a lot of people just be like,
well, thank God it was you there.
Speaker:
00:49:04,675 --> 00:49:07,177
And I know that they're referencing,
like the
Speaker:
00:49:07,177 --> 00:49:09,479
the amount of training
and everything else I've gone through.
Speaker:
00:49:09,479 --> 00:49:11,381
But, you know, I'm always thinking
like, well,
Speaker:
00:49:11,381 --> 00:49:13,984
I kind of wish nobody had been,
you know, at all.
Speaker:
00:49:13,984 --> 00:49:15,252
And that's what I've always thought.
Speaker:
00:49:15,252 --> 00:49:16,520
But it
Speaker:
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:17,754
it made me like I thought
Speaker:
00:49:17,754 --> 00:49:19,589
at first it was going to make me
not want to be out there
Speaker:
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:21,992
and not want to be,
doing these trips, like,
Speaker:
00:49:21,992 --> 00:49:23,760
especially during monsoons and everything.
Speaker:
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,730
But what I realized is like, why not?
Speaker:
00:49:26,730 --> 00:49:29,499
Like I feel like I should be
because, you know,
Speaker:
00:49:29,499 --> 00:49:32,636
and this is why I still train people
and I still do all the things that I do.
Speaker:
00:49:32,636 --> 00:49:34,471
It's because I think that I have good
Speaker:
00:49:34,471 --> 00:49:38,075
information to be able to help people
avoid some of these situations,
Speaker:
00:49:38,342 --> 00:49:40,243
or at least
figure out how to deal with them.
Speaker:
00:49:40,243 --> 00:49:42,212
Well, there was no avoiding that one, but.
Speaker:
00:49:42,212 --> 00:49:43,213
I'm one of those guys.
Speaker:
00:49:43,213 --> 00:49:45,782
Yeah,
I was glad you were there, you know? Yeah.
Speaker:
00:49:45,782 --> 00:49:47,050
You know,
Speaker:
00:49:48,051 --> 00:49:49,052
it would have been,
Speaker:
00:49:49,052 --> 00:49:52,990
you wouldn't wish that on anybody
to have to deal with.
Speaker:
00:49:52,990 --> 00:49:55,158
But all of us are glad you were there.
Speaker:
00:49:55,158 --> 00:49:56,460
And you know, it's one of those things.
Speaker:
00:49:56,460 --> 00:50:00,330
I'm glad it wasn't like a rowing trip,
you know, with, like, with seven
Speaker:
00:50:00,330 --> 00:50:04,334
votes there and trying to get like seven
different boat men to get on those boats.
Speaker:
00:50:04,334 --> 00:50:07,971
Like, Maggie responded, you know,
efficiently and got on their boat,
Speaker:
00:50:07,971 --> 00:50:11,541
started the boat got out,
you know it all really.
Speaker:
00:50:11,808 --> 00:50:17,247
It all like the those of us, you know,
that made it out of there that day.
Speaker:
00:50:17,247 --> 00:50:20,217
It was only because we were all working
together to get out of there.
Speaker:
00:50:20,217 --> 00:50:21,018
Yeah.
Speaker:
00:50:21,018 --> 00:50:24,821
And and it was because everybody
listened to what I was telling them
Speaker:
00:50:25,756 --> 00:50:28,792
and and they responded and they moved on.
Speaker:
00:50:28,792 --> 00:50:30,994
That's really true, isn't it?
Speaker:
00:50:31,928 --> 00:50:34,731
It took,
Speaker:
00:50:34,731 --> 00:50:37,734
use of your resources to the max.
Speaker:
00:50:37,734 --> 00:50:39,536
Yeah, to get everybody out of there
Speaker:
00:50:39,536 --> 00:50:42,939
in a road trip would have definitely been
a different scenario.
Speaker:
00:50:43,006 --> 00:50:44,908
Than hard getting. All that.
That's interesting.
Speaker:
00:50:44,908 --> 00:50:49,046
I hadn't really thought that one out, but,
a remarkable story.
Speaker:
00:50:49,980 --> 00:50:52,215
Thanks for your transparency.
Speaker:
00:50:52,215 --> 00:50:53,483
Yeah.
Speaker:
00:50:53,483 --> 00:50:56,253
Thanks for being you on that.
Speaker:
00:50:56,253 --> 00:50:59,222
So after that.
Speaker:
00:50:59,523 --> 00:51:01,324
That's when I got in with the part.
Speaker:
00:51:01,324 --> 00:51:02,993
It's just a little bit after that.
Speaker:
00:51:02,993 --> 00:51:04,628
Yeah, a little bit after that.
Speaker:
00:51:04,628 --> 00:51:04,861
Yeah.
Speaker:
00:51:04,861 --> 00:51:08,298
And I went into the,
Speaker:
00:51:08,298 --> 00:51:11,435
BRP doing, training.
Speaker:
00:51:11,435 --> 00:51:14,304
Like I said, they train them on
how to drive motor boats
Speaker:
00:51:14,304 --> 00:51:17,974
and then got offered a job there
to kind of run
Speaker:
00:51:17,974 --> 00:51:21,578
their swiftwater rescue department
within the law enforcement district.
Speaker:
00:51:22,179 --> 00:51:25,982
And, and it sounded
like a pretty good deal.
Speaker:
00:51:25,982 --> 00:51:27,517
Like I was pretty excited about that.
Speaker:
00:51:27,517 --> 00:51:32,055
But there's a few components that I just,
I, they didn't jive with me very well.
Speaker:
00:51:32,556 --> 00:51:34,825
So I ended up declining that offer.
Speaker:
00:51:34,825 --> 00:51:38,695
I wanted to keep teaching and I wanted
to keep doing some commercial trips
Speaker:
00:51:38,695 --> 00:51:41,398
because I really enjoyed
taking guests down the river.
Speaker:
00:51:41,398 --> 00:51:43,900
Whereas like,
you know, you've done the science
Speaker:
00:51:43,900 --> 00:51:46,770
a bunch too,
and it's there's great aspects to it.
Speaker:
00:51:46,770 --> 00:51:50,307
But like, I like I like taking people down
whose lives
Speaker:
00:51:50,307 --> 00:51:53,844
get changed by a trip on the river,
not just as part of their job.
Speaker:
00:51:53,944 --> 00:51:54,177
Yeah.
Speaker:
00:51:54,177 --> 00:51:57,781
Like where they go down
and they see something new
Speaker:
00:51:57,781 --> 00:52:00,817
that changes their perspective
on everything that they believe before.
Speaker:
00:52:00,817 --> 00:52:03,386
And like,
that's that's what I love to do. So no.
Speaker:
00:52:03,386 --> 00:52:07,757
I get that, you know, the more specialized
you get in this profession,
Speaker:
00:52:09,126 --> 00:52:12,095
there
are aspects that you're kind of denied.
Speaker:
00:52:12,095 --> 00:52:13,897
It's like,
Speaker:
00:52:13,897 --> 00:52:16,633
I love to electroshock, right?
Speaker:
00:52:16,633 --> 00:52:18,869
But all night, every night.
Speaker:
00:52:18,869 --> 00:52:21,338
And,
Speaker:
00:52:21,338 --> 00:52:24,274
you know, sleep deprivation,
Speaker:
00:52:24,274 --> 00:52:26,042
it changes,
Speaker:
00:52:26,042 --> 00:52:29,479
a lot of aspects of the place in the time.
Speaker:
00:52:29,579 --> 00:52:30,280
Yeah.
Speaker:
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:31,982
And how you enjoy it. It's different.
Speaker:
00:52:31,982 --> 00:52:34,117
You still enjoy it. It's just different.
Speaker:
00:52:34,117 --> 00:52:37,921
And so and so, I totally get that.
Speaker:
00:52:37,921 --> 00:52:43,126
But, you know, back to the guys
Speaker:
00:52:43,126 --> 00:52:46,530
that come in, in those helicopters,
I've got to give a shout out.
Speaker:
00:52:46,696 --> 00:52:47,430
Oh, yeah.
Speaker:
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:49,533
How much I love those guys.
Speaker:
00:52:49,533 --> 00:52:51,668
And, you know, they're,
Speaker:
00:52:51,668 --> 00:52:54,971
such a big deal when you need them. And,
Speaker:
00:52:56,439 --> 00:52:59,176
I've always felt like
we've got a partnership with the park.
Speaker:
00:52:59,176 --> 00:52:59,876
Absolutely.
Speaker:
00:52:59,876 --> 00:53:02,646
We do, no matter
whether we're working for them or not.
Speaker:
00:53:02,646 --> 00:53:05,248
Yeah. And,
you know. Shout out to those. Absolutely.
Speaker:
00:53:05,248 --> 00:53:06,183
Do the Park Service.
Speaker:
00:53:06,183 --> 00:53:08,285
Oh, it's like I said,
I just finished doing,
Speaker:
00:53:08,285 --> 00:53:12,155
I just did one of their saltwater
rescue trainings a couple weeks ago.
Speaker:
00:53:12,155 --> 00:53:15,892
And I will always feel
like part of that team.
Speaker:
00:53:15,892 --> 00:53:17,527
I still always feel like part of that
team.
Speaker:
00:53:17,527 --> 00:53:20,030
They know they can count on me
for anything they need
Speaker:
00:53:20,030 --> 00:53:21,264
and I feel the same way.
Speaker:
00:53:21,264 --> 00:53:23,867
So it's it's really great
to have like Matt great
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00:53:23,867 --> 00:53:27,137
and leading the leading
the charge there in Canyon District.
Speaker:
00:53:27,137 --> 00:53:31,208
He's got like a really solid group
of people running the river.
Speaker:
00:53:31,208 --> 00:53:32,943
And it's great to see well.
Speaker:
00:53:32,943 --> 00:53:34,477
And they're. They're.
Speaker:
00:53:36,146 --> 00:53:37,080
Like mines.
Speaker:
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:42,485
They, they're there for, the canyon
and helping people and that, you know,
Speaker:
00:53:42,485 --> 00:53:47,724
that's, a screen that's, the good people
get through to be there and.
Speaker:
00:53:48,391 --> 00:53:51,661
What was cool at this training,
like the whole water team
Speaker:
00:53:51,661 --> 00:53:55,832
was there, like everybody
who potentially goes in for rescues.
Speaker:
00:53:55,832 --> 00:53:59,603
They were all at this training and, you
know, it doesn't always work out that way.
Speaker:
00:54:00,203 --> 00:54:02,739
But it's just kind of
part of Matt's, like,
Speaker:
00:54:02,739 --> 00:54:04,741
what he's trying to do
is bring everybody together,
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00:54:04,741 --> 00:54:06,610
get them on the same page
working together.
Speaker:
00:54:06,610 --> 00:54:08,178
And it's it's really neat to see.
Speaker:
00:54:08,178 --> 00:54:10,914
Yeah. No, that's great.
That's a shout out to them for sure.
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00:54:10,914 --> 00:54:11,581
Heck yeah.
Speaker:
00:54:11,581 --> 00:54:15,418
And so,
where are you now and what are you up to?
Speaker:
00:54:15,418 --> 00:54:17,721
What do you where are you headed bro.
Speaker:
00:54:17,721 --> 00:54:21,891
So I, you know, I finished up this,
that park service idea
Speaker:
00:54:21,891 --> 00:54:25,295
and decided that three jobs is too many
and went back to two.
Speaker:
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:29,132
So recently, I started working at Arizona
Ranch Ventures
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00:54:29,132 --> 00:54:31,334
as their warehouse supervisor.
Speaker:
00:54:31,334 --> 00:54:34,704
So I spend a lot of time fixing gear,
getting gear ready,
Speaker:
00:54:35,505 --> 00:54:38,908
fielding guide suggestions,
and figuring out how we can get better.
Speaker:
00:54:40,143 --> 00:54:42,045
Work with some really great people there.
Speaker:
00:54:42,045 --> 00:54:44,648
Everybody I work with in the warehouse
and in the office, they're just
Speaker:
00:54:44,648 --> 00:54:47,150
they're some of my best friends
and just incredible people.
Speaker:
00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:48,585
Yeah, it's a good bunch over there.
Speaker:
00:54:48,585 --> 00:54:54,591
And if if that's what you do
and let's give a shout out to E K.
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00:54:54,724 --> 00:54:55,325
Heck yeah.
Speaker:
00:54:55,325 --> 00:54:59,996
He can always man,
he k is fixing the motor for me right now.
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00:55:00,030 --> 00:55:01,531
I just got to give him a shout out.
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00:55:01,531 --> 00:55:02,932
I'm a big fan of it.
Speaker:
00:55:02,932 --> 00:55:05,001
Yeah, I've always
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00:55:05,001 --> 00:55:05,302
yeah.
Speaker:
00:55:05,302 --> 00:55:07,203
Him and I share a passion for punk rock.
Speaker:
00:55:07,203 --> 00:55:10,340
So it's been it's been easier for us
to get along and talk about stuff.
Speaker:
00:55:10,373 --> 00:55:11,041
Oh yeah.
Speaker:
00:55:11,041 --> 00:55:13,443
I've always been a big fan and yeah.
Speaker:
00:55:13,443 --> 00:55:18,181
But, so, you'll be on the river
a little bit.
Speaker:
00:55:18,248 --> 00:55:18,481
Yeah.
Speaker:
00:55:18,481 --> 00:55:22,485
So I'm lead the lead in the GT
trip this year, April 1st,
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and then, and then I've got, I think, two
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other river trips, another motor
and a rowing trip in September.
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You know,
it's working as a warehouse supervisor.
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They ask us to try to limit our trips
to, like, for during the season.
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Well, that's a good balance. Yeah, it is.
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And I figured since I was doing a two week
motor trip right out the gate,
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that I could do just three trips
and that'd be fine.
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And you've always got E carry.
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That's right.
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You know, I'm still planning on trying
to get a trip up to the locks.
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I got a I got a private trip where
I'm training a bunch of fire, firemen
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how to raft that I'm doing for crew rescue
out on the air here, the eel River.
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So I got other trips coming up,
you know, but, at least three grand.
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You know,
I admire you. You've got an active,
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Territory on the schedule.
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You know, I try.
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I really admire it, too, because I've been
a little different in my careers.
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Because I've been just so locked
in the Grand Canyon.
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Yeah.
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And, with those government contracts,
I was ridiculously locked in.
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But, I really admire the different
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rivers, the different, territory
that you take in the I.
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You know, I've been excited about that.
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So you know, besides working
as a warehouse supervisor for Arizona
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Raptor Ventures, I also work as, the lead
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instructor here in the state of Arizona
for Sierra Rescue International.
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And I'm starting to take this area
over as a territory for them as well.
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So booking new classes for anybody
looking out there.
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Well, need to sign up.
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Yeah, you should,
you should go out there, man.
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It's fun. It's a good time.
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I'll do it. We'll keep talking about that.
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All right.
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Well,
I can't tell you how much I appreciate
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sitting down with you
and and finally having this visit.
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It's, everything I'd hoped it would be.
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That's great. Right.
And we can always do it again.
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Heck, yeah, man.
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It lets both of us see what we're up to
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for the next while,
and we just might have a few more stories.
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Hopefully not exactly.
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Like that one.
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It's, you know, it's
it's the tip of the iceberg.
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I have a lot of other stories that are,
less eventful.
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Yeah. Still good? Well, yeah.
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Let's, make it a date for another visit.
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That's a great focus on those other
stories.
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You got. Right on, brother.
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But,
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yeah, it's really appreciated what you do
for all these young boatmen coming in.
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And old boatman, too.
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I try to do my best.
Thanks for having Brian.
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A pleasure.
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And, you know, for you listeners,
fantastic visit.
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Thanks for sitting down with us.
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Keep right side up and Liam
O'Neill, Brian Decker, big adventures.
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Big adventures is produced
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by Brian darker
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