Welcome, Anya. Thank you so much for taking the time to chat with me today.

As I was preparing for this conversation, I had the opportunity to look through

your social media and your website and everything that you do. And I must say,

I am super stoked to chat with you. I feel as though we've got a

lot of similarities and overlaps. And in addition to that, there are many areas in

which you are very active in that I would love to jump into. So thank

you very much and welcome. Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to

be here. Awesome. So usually,

usually what I do is I always start by getting the backstory, like, what

got you into this world? And I am interested in that and I would love

to go down that, but as I was, I was going through your website, I

found myself really curious about one thing in particular. So maybe we'll start things

a little bit differently and we could jump into your academy,

which I am so interested in. So you've got the expansion

academy, and as I was reading and going through and watching

testimonials, it is absolutely fantastic. So why don't we start off

with what exactly is this expansion?

Thank you so much for curiosity in that it's a brand new baby of

mine and that one in itself has a beautiful

backstory, and I'd love to share all of that as well. So what

expansion alchemy is, is a holistic wellness

academy, essentially in the realms of personal development, health,

relationship, spirituality, and financial wealth, because I believe you

have to have all of them to have a balanced well being overall. And

you do have to start with the mindset, the spirituality,

the health, all of that first, and then you get to the

finances. Once all of that is, like, aligned within your

body, then your finances will start growing. So that's why I say it in

that particular order as well. And right now, we're reaching out. We

just launched this past couple of days. Last

weekend, actually, we had a launch into corporations.

So I want to be a mental wellness benefit for

employees and getting the holistic stuff into

corporations. I worked in corporate America for ten years and I

had a mental breakdown after, like, after those ten years, for an entire

decade, I was sick. Anxiety, depression, insomnia. I was going

blind. Like, I was so sick. If I had the tools in

corporate America that I have now, I'd still probably be in corporate America.

That's not my role anymore. But

I know that those tools are very needed in that space. Those are the

people that need it the most. So we just launched last weekend into

corporations and I'm super excited for that. But

expansion alchemy, I'd like to share a little bit of the backstory of expansion alchemy

and how it, because I think it really resonates with your audience.

So I wrote my second book. I was on book tour. Book

tour was Vegas, La, New York, Costa

Rica. I felt like I was on top of the world. I had

five Times Square billboards with like 80 foot Anya

face. Literally felt like I was on top of the world

during this book tour. And I had a thriving business right

beforehand. I ended up closing all of my coaching contracts right before book

tour because I was on book tour for an entire month. I was like, I

don't know what my time is going to be. Like. I'm in different time zones,

I'm networking. Like, maybe I want to be going to a party at 10:00 to

network. Like, I just, I don't want to deal with this. So I closed everything

out, went to book tour, and I came back from book tour

and I got hacked. I lost everything.

I lost my entire business. I lost my website. I lost

300 pieces of video content I've ever created. I lost 30,000 email

subscribers. Literally lost everything. Oh

no. That is so

brutal. It was horrible.

So that followed with a couple of months trying to

retrieve everything back, trying to

like, get my email subscribers back, and then now, okay, I got

some email subscribers. Let's say I got five or 6000 back out of the

30,000. Now all my emails are going to spam because like, my

website authority is ruined. So it was just like one thing after another, trying

to retrieve everything back, followed by like two or three months of having a

mental breakdown all over again. Like questioning

myself, questioning my worth. Like, am I supposed to be doing this? Like, is

this my path going into imposter syndrome? Maybe I shouldn't be doing this. Like,

what is my higher calling? Should I even be coaching anymore?

And I was doing business, spiritual business, coaching at the

moment. I do all spiritual coaching now and plant

medicine work. Like I needed, I needed that pivot,

apparently. And

one day I just completely surrendered. I did what I know how to do

best, and that's meditation. So I sat in a four hour meditation, and

in that meditation, everything came to me. The name,

the logo, the branding, the colors, what

partners I want on it, what payment structure, who we're eventually

going to go after. Like the different pillars, as I call it. Literally

everything was given to me in that four hour meditation. And I spent the next

year, year and a half building expansion, alchemy, and we've,

we've launched it to the public about six months ago,

but two corporation, we just had the launch this past weekend, so it's

a brand new baby of mine, and I'm super excited for it.

That is, that. That's quite the story, getting into it. I mean, being from

the sounds of it, your, your career, your trajectory was very much in the self

development, self help sort of world, right? And then

there's a lot of, of course, work that goes into the individual in

order to maintain authenticity in there. But then have this one thing that you

said is like, like, should I even be doing this? If I imagine myself in

your shoes and all of a sudden everything is gone, then that

thought would definitely come into my mind, too. Like, universe. What are you trying to

tell me here? Like, you trying to tell me, back off. Shift around directions? Wow,

that must have been, like, massively impactful. Thank God, man. My mental

health was horrendous, questioning, questioning my

own worth. Like, am I good enough to be coaching? Maybe that's why. Maybe I'm

just not a good coach. Maybe that's why this whole thing

happened. Like, I don't know what is the bigger calling out of

this? And I just needed, needed that pivot and then expansion. Alchemy came

to me, everything. And I'm so blessed to for

that. That is amazing. And it sounds like you had a proper,

proper download experience, right. Everything just comes to you with perfect clarity. And I'm

curious about the pillars. Right. I appreciate this

idea of distinct steps and individual processes. What

I found most interesting and most agreeable

with the pillars and the order in which you laid them out was beginning with

spirituality, developing spirituality. I personally found that

oftentimes that particular pillar is either left out completely or tacked on

to the end. It's like, oh, yeah, you should probably do something about your spiritual

life as well. Even in this mind body medicine, we call it

mind body medicine, even though the technical definition is mind body soul.

So I'm wondering, can we dig into what was the impetus, the

idea, behind starting with this foundation of spirituality?

Yeah. I truly believe that we need to really start looking

internally. Like, when I turned my brain off, looked internally,

turned to my spirituality, turned to that meditation, that's when

expansion alchemy came to me. Yes, mind, body, spirit. We say

usually, but your spirit should be nourished first. Like,

your spirit comes before your body comes, actually, before your

brain develops, before all of that, your spirit comes. And we need

to keep fostering that and keep developing that spirit with a

daily practice, a daily connection, whether it's to God, to Buddha, whether

it's meditation, prayer, whatever. We need to keep fostering that

spirit. And then spirit is going to keep talking to us, reflecting

back to us, because everything's a mirror as well. Keep reflecting back to us all

these beautiful ideas and health and all the other beautiful things

that come with it. Can we, if it's okay with you,

can we dig into sort of what happened for

you spiritually when this moment came,

when expansion alchemy came to you? What was going on in your

spiritual, I guess, experience at that point in time? What was that

like, oh, man. So the first thing that I

heard was the actual name. Expansion. Expansion

alchemy. I heard expansion first, and I was like, okay, I

like that. Okay, what? Tell me more. And I talk to spirit whenever

I get downloads or if I'm in meditation, I ask

questions. Okay, like, is this. Am I supposed to be

expanding? Am I supposed to help people expand? Like, I heard just

expansion. Like, okay, am I supposed to be expanding? Am I supposed to help people

expand? And, like, am I supposed to be doing something with expansion? Like, and then

I heard alchemy expansion. I was like, okay, I like this.

I like this name. I don't know what it is yet, but I love

this name. This is great. And then, like, life

around me started morphing, and, like, I started

seeing the logo, and the logo is a butterfly. It's a transformation.

Like, shifting into the transformation of a butterfly, because

butterflies, like, transcendence, transformation, all of that. And

I was like, okay, so we're supposed to help. And, like,

I started getting bits and pieces of it. Like, this is a four hour meditation.

In that 4 hours, I got everything but bits and pieces of it.

Okay, so we're supposed to help other people transform. Okay, we're back

to the mentoring, the coaching. Expansion. Alchemy is an

amazing name. Like, okay, I'm not focusing on my personal brand

anymore. Okay, now. Now I know. Maybe I'm focusing on, okay, should

this be maybe a coaching container? Do I need to, like, am I building a

new company? What am I doing? And then I started getting people's

names, and I'm in several different

masterminds with super high end, like,

entrepreneurs, mentors, coaches, all, like,

authors, just super high end people. And I started getting some of their

names, and I was like, oh, I see how I can be connected to this

person. I see how this person can help me with this. And throughout

this entire process, I kept getting the message collaboration, not

competition. There's no need to build a business

by yourself anymore. You don't have to build your personal brand anymore. You don't have

to build a business anymore. Sure, like, I have contractors, I have some

employees. I have a virtual assistant, all of this. But that's not what I mean

by collaboration. How can we come

together with people that are of value

and help more people in turn? Whether

it's like creating seminars, whether it's virtual

events, in person events, whatever. And that's when, like, everything

started clicking for me with expansion, alchemy. I was like, okay, now I

know I have five names. Okay, how many. How many teachers do I

want? I started getting like. So we started off with 15 teachers, but then we

ended up cutting it down to, we have twelve teachers. Now

it's 15 was just way too hectic for our students. Like,

15 classes a month. Like, I personally don't want to go to that. So

we cut it down to twelve classes a month. And,

like, I started getting, okay, five names here. And then I started getting like,

okay, maybe connect yourself to this group. You're already

somewhat connected to it. Reach out to this person. This person is going to

be a link to this. And it just all started beautifully flowing

together. I was like, okay, I know what I'm doing.

I get it. And it was really funny, because one of my

teachers, I was on the phone with her, like,

two or three days prior, because we had. We had, like, a catch up or

something, and I was telling her everything I was going through. I was like, so

this happened. My business got taken away from me. I lost everything. I'm having, like,

a meltdown on the phone with her. And then I do this meditation.

Two days later, I call her. I was like, okay, I know what I'm doing.

This is the business. This is the name, and I want you to be a

teacher. She's like, what just happened?

That is so cool. You know, I'm curious if

it sounds a little bit similar, but my experience with spiritual

growth and development, too, is like, when you're in it, you're in the meditative

mode, and it oftentimes comes at these. These clearing moments right

when you're at your rock bottom or a high high, you know? But

regardless. But one of the experiences I had most recently, I

was very fortunate enough to spend some time in Colombia, and I was right in

the middle of the jungle with these super remote tribes. And one night I

was sitting there with what they call a mamo, or their version of a shaman,

and Columbia right. Oh, I didn't know that. I'm

calling. Yeah. Wow. Isn't that something?

Yeah, we were. We landed in Santa marta, and then from there, we went to

stay with an Aruako tribe and a koga tribe as well. And it was

just an amazing experience. So I was sitting with one of the momos, and

we were having this conversation, and he described to me, in perfect

clarity the next process. Right? Because I'm kind of

in one of those pivot points, those shift points when the past is decomposing

and something better for the future is, uh, preparing itself. So he

described to me with perfect clarity and. And as he was describing it to me,

which I'm not entirely sure if he was using words or just kind of giving

me the message, but, um, I get this. This.

This perfect vision of. Of what it would be like. It sounds

fairly similar right in this moment, but then a couple. Couple days

passed, and I'm like, okay, I can actually sit down and write it down. And

I get my pen and paper. There was nothing. There was a

memory of this experience, of getting all this information as to what happens

next. But then the only thing I was. I had access

to was the next step. The complete vision was no

longer there. The only thing available to me was the next step. And one of

the things I found in my own spiritual journeys is faith.

You have to have faith, and when you get a clear

step, you take that step, and as soon as that's done, then the next thing

is available to you. So I'm curious if there's any resonance or sort of

similarities in this download and spiritual process you had.

So, I like explaining it like this, and I've explained this

to so many people, so many clients, and I think it'll really

resonate as well. So,

meditation, to me, is like, you don't have to be on top of a mountain

going om for hours. Like, all meditation is quieting

the mind. Like, simply just quiet the mind, and then all of your anxiety

goes away, because anxiety is your mind, like, constantly going, that

monkey chatter going. So if we quiet the mind, all of that goes away, and

then all the answers come to you. Meditation doesn't have to be

sitting on a mountaintop. It could be running, it could be doing the dishes.

It could be whatever it is for you that allows you

to quiet your mind. A lot of the times when we get. We're in

a meditative state, when we're showering, not thinking about anything,

washing our hairs, washing our bodies, and then you get this grand idea, and you're

like, whoa, that's a great idea. But then

you don't do anything with it. You don't act on it. And then maybe

a couple days later, you're like, okay, I wanted to write that idea down, but,

crap, I don't remember what it was. Where do I even

start? So the universe, God

throws these ideas at people, and whoever is

quickest to grab that idea and write it

down and take that first step to remember it will

remember that idea. And then if it passes you by, God's

like, I got a bigger plan. Like, this shit needs to happen. Like, I'm gonna

give it to the next person. So he takes it away

from you and gives it to the next person that's going to act on that

idea. And then five months down the road, you are like watching

a commercial and something comes on tv, and you're like, hey, that was

my idea for that invention. Why didn't I do that?

Well, yeah, you had the idea first, but you didn't act on

it. You didn't do anything. That's my easiest way of, like, explaining

that. Like, that's what happens. We need to act on those ideas.

And whatever that action is, it might just be writing it down as soon as

you have that idea so it doesn't float away from you.

Right, right. So that actually seems like a beautiful and natural segue

from the first pillar, which is spirituality, into the second pillar, which is personal

development, because a big part of that is how do you actually take

action? The mentoring and coaching, it

sounds great in theory. You've got this idea and you may even write it down.

But the process of developing the confidence and the

developing the motivation and developing all of the inner skills

required to actually move forward with an idea, is

that kind of what the next pillar is, or could we dive into your perspective

of personal development? Yeah. So personal development is definitely taking that

action, but it's also doing things that resonate with

you. So sometimes personal development could be going to a Tony Robbins

seminar. Sometimes it might be reading a self help book. Sometimes it might be like

you tracking your habits, whatever that is for you, doing something similar

with spirituality. Like both of those kind of go hand in hand.

And yes, spiritual is more on your spirit, more on your soul,

whereas personal development is your mind

and then going into the health, your body and

etcetera. But personal development is like, okay, how are we going

to take that action, and how are we actually going to implement all of that

stuff? It's the integration, when you go to the ceremony,

essentially, so, like, yes, ceremony was great. That's

spiritual. But how are we applying all of that to day to day

life? How are we taking action? How are we counting ourselves accountable?

How are we doing the actual work? Because the real work

starts after a ceremony. Ceremony. It doesn't start while you're in the spiritual

stuff. Okay. How are we applying that to real life and actually keep

going and going and going and keep ourselves accountable and have

people around us that are going to help us, that are support us, that we're

not just going to beat ourselves up because we missed the day of doing your

gratitude or whatever it might be? Yeah, I

really appreciate that. And if it's all right with you, I'd like to dwell on

this idea of integration a little bit. I feel as though

it's. It's not neglected. Many people are aware of

integration. It's just kind of spoken

of. I find that even though it's in the sphere of understanding and knowledge,

and so many people are aware of the fact, like, you go through a medicine

session, a plant medicine session, and integration is important, or you do a Tony

Robinson amazing. And integration is important. But again, I

find there tends to be a drop off in actually doing the

process of integration. So in your experience, what is. What

does integration really look like? And

it's different. Integration is different for every single person

I've sat. I facilitate, plant medicines, I do integration,

mentoring, and there's always pre integration as well as

post integration. It can be. And different people do

a different way, and each person is different as well. It can be

just taking yourself for a couple of days and

grounding and going to a park, sitting by a tree,

reading a book, drawing, dancing, whatever it is that you

connect to, but still having a little bit

of that ceremony within you. So I'm going to speak for

ayahuasca, for example, and we call this an ayahuasca glow.

Like, after you leave the ceremony, you're like, glowing for a week, and you're like,

oh, my gosh, that was amazing. Life is so beautiful. It's so

fantastic. But then once the ayahuasca glow

goes away, that's when you need to start integrating. Yes, you should start

integrating as soon as you leave the ceremony, but that's when you're like, oh,

life is just kind of dull, and you go back to your regular

habits. That's when integration is so pertinent. Like, you

need to start applying everything that you learned from the

ceremony, and then you'll be able to start applying it into your

regular life. Something that I really like to do, and I create boxes for my

clients and people that come to my retreats, is while you're

in ceremony, finding something that you can go back to

later, whether it's finding a rock, like finding a

feather, or something that's going to, like, once you go back to your home

country, once you go back to wherever you live

and you're trying to integrate, whether it's a piece of music that you really

like, like a piece of wood, whatever it is, taking it

back and, like, sitting with it, meditating with it. So you have a

little bit of an anchor to grab you back into that ceremony,

into the feelings of what you were feeling, like when you had this big

breakthrough, when you were healing something, when you let go of some kind of

trauma, whatever it might be. But it's anchors you back into that

moment, and that'll assist with your integration process.

That makes sense. That makes sense. And. And I really like the idea of anchors

with. With or without them, but certainly without them, I

find for myself and many people that I work with, it's. There is that. That

glow, period. And it's easy to do the integration work when you're still in

the glow because you're basically still there. Right.

Exactly. Those. Those weeks or months later when. When the glow

has certainly worn off and when the. The difficulties with relationships

come back in, which is another pillar, or when work. Right. When real,

quote, unquote real life, big air quotes on that one

comes back into the picture, it's hard to maintain the integration. And

you said a word that I'm very curious about, which I really appreciate, and I

think it was pre. Pre integration. What did you mean by

that? Pre integrating? Just getting yourself

set up for ceremony, for whatever you're

going into, whether it's in a group setting or in a solo

setting. Okay. A week beforehand, I'm going to double up on my meditation. I'm going

to do a morning meditation and an evening meditation. I'm really going to sit

with my intentions. Sit with. I have a list of questions that

I ask people that before they come to ceremony or if I'm doing pre integration

with them to really sit and journal so they're getting deeper into their

subconscious mind because journaling is great for that. Or doing breath

work, meditations, whatever. Really getting into that. Okay, what do I

really want out of this ceremony instead of. Okay, yeah, I just want

the surface level thing, but going deep into what I truly

want, then going through the ceremony and then post integration

afterwards. Okay, how am I integrating this now into my real life.

Yeah, I appreciate that. It sort of creates the

routine of integration without the glow.

So then when the glow wears off, you've already got something in place, and you're

not relying on that. That glow in order to see through. That's. That's brilliant.

I really appreciate that. When. When I was preparing for one of the

ceremonies that I participated in, the. The.

I think it was three weeks, maybe a month lead up was. Was very important,

and there was certainly a pre integration process to it,

but a really big part of it was diet, health. Nutrition. Right.

Is making sure that the vessel, the body, the physical aspect

of what I call Jess was in decent enough

shape. Right. So I see that that's another pillar for you

in expansion alchemy is this idea of health. So what does that

encompass, then? So health would be whether

it's the nutrition that you eat, the foods that you eat.

We have some people working on ayurveda stuff. So, like, really helping you with

your diet. Like, okay, maybe I'm going through,

like, I'm having breakouts. My hair's falling out. Whatever it might

be, a lot of that might be your hormones are off, and maybe you just

need to adjust your diet some. Some particular way. So we have specialist

nutritionists that help with that. Then we have this one

woman doing, like, epigenetics as well. Like, really going into

your health. Okay. This can get rewired because my family

was. Because I'm polish, so I have. Some of the

Holocaust is coming up for me right now. That's something that I really worked on

while I just spent two months in the jungle. So, like, maybe rewiring

something with. With your family so future generations don't have

to go through that. Maybe it's addictions. Maybe you're addicted to

alcohol, cigarettes, whatever it might be that can be epigenetically passed

down to your kin. Well, okay, let's work on that

now in this vessel so that my children don't have to worry about

that, and we don't have to pass that on. One of my all time favorite

quotes is like, okay, let's heal in this generation. So future

generations don't have to go through that. And, yes, we pass things

on epigenetically. Yeah. Your mind,

body, and spirit fully in alignment, whether it's health, whether it's getting your

epigenetics aligned, whether it's, like, working out. You have someone that helps

with, like, holistic workouts, or there was this

one class that was called, like, mindful, mindful eating.

Or I don't even remember. There's so many of them at this point.

Yeah. Eating mindfully. So you're not just, like, over eating and like,

oh, I'm bored. I'm watching Netflix. I'm gonna have a tub of ice cream. Before

you know it, you eat the entire tub of ice cream. Mindfully

eating. So, yeah, mind, body, and spirit, the whole.

The whole shebang. What I'm beginning to

appreciate is the, again, once again, the order that you've

discussed these in, because so, so often, in

whether it's the integrative world, medicine world or the

conventional medicine world, number one focus is on body.

Important, no question. You got to make sure that the body is healthy

and well maintained. And then after that, there's an increasing

importance on the mind. Right. And from the pillars you're

discussing, that's sort of the personal development stuff. Mental health,

thankfully, is finally getting some light shone on it. And

then lastly, again, tucked away in this corner, there's this idea of spirituality, which

in the world at large, is, again, very slowly starting to gain some

traction. But this order that you have it in, which is spirit,

mind, body, instead of body, mind, spirit, is

brilliantly put together. So thank you for doing that and

download the information you got. Perfect. Thank you. Just want to be

clear. So that is the b two

c section. That way that I speak it. When I speak to

corporations, I lead with personal development, health,

relationships, spirituality than financial wealth. I have a

different for corporations. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. I really like that idea. I really appreciate it, because it is

important, depending on your demographic and who you're speaking to, where you

begin, when you are working with or this idea of working with

corporations, how do you manage or imagine

bringing in the conversation of spirituality to a group of

people who may or may not be open to such a discussion? So

I actually just had this discussion last weekend during my

event. And anyone, if anyone wants to watch the event, feel free

to reach out and we can add stuff in the show. Notes. Replays are

available. It's a three day event. Talking about all those pillows. We do have all

of the teachers, so replays are available if you want to catch that. So

I had someone actually, on day two ask that. He's like, I love

expansion, alchemy. I love all that you guys are doing, but how do I

bring this up to my team? Like, how do I bring this to

my employees? I want to bring. I want to, like, my wife

already thinks I'm crazy and I'm going to get abducted by aliens. Literally. What he

said, I was like, that's amazing. I was like, yes, we do have some

teachers that are all spiritual. Me personally, that's how I am.

I talk about all the vibrations, all the woo woo stuff. That's just how I

am. And then we have teachers that this gentleman named

Nico, for example, where he's like super masculine,

super, like, I love stress. Like he's a personal development and business

guy. He's like, I love stress. And I'm like, and there's people in between

as well. Very different. You don't bring this up to your employees

as, oh, I want you to sign up for this woo woo holistic thing. No,

you say this, okay, this is going to make us all

better. We're all going to feel better, our health is

going to be better, we're all going to be more productive. And

internal company is going to make a lot more money. So bring it up as

we're going to feel better. Because who doesn't want to feel better? It doesn't matter

if you're in corporate or if you're not. We're going to feel better versus

we're going to raise our vibration and meditate for 10 hours. No,

corporations don't want to hear that. Yeah, yeah.

A bit of a hard sell that way. So are you going to have

like two, two separate, I mean this is a bit of a technical thing, but

I can't help my curiosity. Are you going to have almost two separate

websites, two separate ways of advertising? Because they really

seem very. Of course the pillars are the same, but the

delivery to me strikes me as something incredibly different. So the sites

are, we do have two sites, one site. So one is just expansion

alchemy. If you go on the homepage, that's the b two C site. And

on top in the toolbar, I have individuals and I have corporations,

I have two separate sections. And then just

expansionalchemy.com is the b two C side and that's all

that stuff. And then if you click on the business side, it goes

expansionalchemy.com business.

Maybe I'll make it into like co or something. I don't know

yet. Just thinking out loud. And that one,

it's pretty much the same exact site. It looks

exactly the same. The verbiage is slightly different because it is

adjusted to the, to the b two B. And then I do have

like a VSL up top of video sales letter and that

is almost the same, but it's talking to a different audience.

It's me recording it and I just speak differently to

it. The order of the pillars are different, but it

looks almost identical. But it's just those little

tiny tweaks to speak to the corporate audience versus the b two C

audience. Okay, I love this. I love this idea, and it's not where I thought

we'd go with it, but I have another curiosity that came up for me, if

that's okay. Of course. You strike me as an

individual that values authenticity based

on the content I've seen you produce as well as so far within our

conversation. And when I imagine

something like you're discussing, right, you've got two different demographics,

one of which is the customer and the consumer, the

individual who is likely seeking out your services because of

who you are as an individual. And once again, you got this beautiful air of

spirituality, and then you've got the corporate side of things, which,

from what you say, you had ten years experience in that. So I'm sure you

could walk that walk. How do you maintain your own

authenticity when the demographic that you're speaking

to, their outward appearance at the very least, is very different? So

I'm curious about this authenticity aspect when you switch

demographics. Me personally, I believe I

should be. I love authentication, authenticity, and thank

you so much for that. Like, I really appreciate that compliment. I

really believe that you need to know exactly who you are.

Sure. If I'm speaking to a different audience, the way that I say

things might be slightly different, but I'm still going to be me. I

spoke at a conference in Florida in

end of last year, and it was called the heal conference, and it was

all about healthcare and education and expansion. Alchemy actually got an

award, and it was a whole bunch of people in suits

talking about healthcare and like, higher educations and all this

boring stuff. And that was me. Like,

jungle woman over here. Like, sharing ancestral

medicines. I had some rapid with me. I had some,

and just like, being me. So, yes, I was there

as an award receiver, and I spoke eloquently,

but I was still me at the end of the day. Like, this is who

I am. So take it or leave it. And I can't tell you how many

compliments I received. Like, you are such a breath of fresh air.

Yes, you've got tattoos all over you. Like, you're

eclectic. Like, you have so much energy. You're bringing

all these weird things to us, but you're, you're speaking to us as

a human. You're not asking me for money right now. You're

wanting to get to know me and introducing me to your

world. Yes, it might be weird, but I so appreciate that. I

can't tell you how many, like, compliments I've received about that.

So there is a place to be authentically. You sure? The

way that you say it, I'm not going to be like, oh, I just came

from the jungle. Here, try this tobacco up your nose. Like, I'm not going to

say that, but this is what it is. And

instead of saying, okay, it might balance your masculine

and feminine, it balances both sides of your

hemispheres, the left and the right, like, in your brain. So the

way that I say it is a little bit different, but I'm still me at

the end of the day. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate that. And I think

the choice of wordings doesn't have to come across as inauthentic. And

one of. One of the things you say, you know, that individuals were saying, it's

a breath of fresh air. And I'm finding that more and more at

large. Right. You. I don't follow trends necessarily. I

don't understand Instagram, but I spend a crazy amount of time on

YouTube. I will fully admit that in acknowledge that that is my university.

And one of the things I am noticing by and large, is people

are so much more interested in

just you, just the individual. Nothing scripted, nothing

over the top. I mean, there's certainly that out there, but I am definitely seeing

this trend of people who are just so sick and tired of

corporate talk, who are so sick and tired of

over the top excitement and, like,

obviously fake joviality. So I appreciate

that as an individual who just went through the process of

speaking at a place where a lot of people are unsuit and ties and you

just being you, that again, that message was reflected that people

crave, that they crave interactions with real,

genuine, authentic humans. Definitely. And find out,

like, authenticity. I have four authenticity pillars for me,

and it's embodiment, freedom,

magic and expansion.

How am I doing every single thing that I'm doing

to reflect those? How am I living in embodiment? How am I living

in magic? And for me, magic is like spirituality,

nature, love. Like, I have multiple categories underneath

each of them, and that's how I deal with my four

pillars. So, like, I encourage your audience, like, go through an

authenticity exercise. Like, pick a. Go on,

like, pinterest, go on Google, type in, like, authenticity words.

Like, get a list of, like, 50 words and see which four

really resonate with your five and narrow it down to as little as

possible. Four or five. And how are you doing every single thing in

your life based off of those four words. And I truly believe, like, your

authenticity pillars don't change throughout your life, similar to your

values, like, they might shift and evolve. So, like, the way that

I see freedom now, for example, or

adventure is a little bit different than when I did when I was 15

years old, but it, it's still something that makes me truly, authentically me,

because, like, my authenticity is my authenticity. That shouldn't

change. It might shift and evolve, but that's who I am as a

human being. And I'm curious about

then, the interaction between these four

descriptive words of authenticity and values, as I believe

an individual, once they've identified their values, which in and of itself, I think is

like essential practice. But is there a difference between

embodying your values and embodying these

words used to describe your authenticity? Or is there overlap?

There is overlap. So let me pull mine up, actually,

because my values are very similar, but

slightly different

than my authenticity. So my values are adventure,

variety, beauty, and creativity.

That's one together, growth and freedom. Whereas

my authenticity is freedom.

Embodiment expansion, aka growth

and magic. Interesting. What just occurred to me as I was

describing them is values that you

described are an action, whereas your authenticity is a feeling. Would that

be accurate? Ah, I never thought of it that way, but I like

that. Perhaps it's just my own

subjectivity and projection. For me, when I think of what authenticity is

like, it's a very distinct feeling, an embodied sensation.

Or more specifically for me, it's a lack of. It's like when there's nothing going

on and it's just like emptiness, I'm like, no, this is not being authentic. But

when I do start to feel things, I'm like, good, this feels like me. So

what's coming up for me right now actually is like, maybe your values are

more like mind and heart centered.

Like mind bo. Like mind and body, whereas your

authenticity is your soul. This is what my soul craves.

Nice. I really like that distinction.

Yeah. And I think it's

an important distinction because of course, I mean, I'm a TCMD at

doctor chinese medicine, so we view everything as the

same, right? There is no difference between the mind, body and soul. They are the

same thing. But then in conversation, we of course have to distinguish them all.

I do think those distinctions are important. And understanding that

how one embodies these comes from a different, I suppose, energetic

center. Fascinating. I like that. That

was a fun tangent. But

with that, shall we continue to dig into these pillars? Because

we have talked the first three, and I'm quite curious about

relationships. I include relationship in sort of one of my

programs as well. And again, I find it's, it's talked

about, but rarely in a corporate setting. It might be spoken of. The

relationship you have with your coworkers is important, and maybe if

there's some higher executives, they might learn about how to

build strong relationships with your employees.

But for you, within this program, how do you view relationships

as a foundational pillar? Yeah. So how you do one thing

is how you do everything. So the relationship, the way

you foster your relationship with yourself is the same way you do it with a

partner, with a lover, with your children, with your employees,

with a boss, with a manager. The way you deal with conflict is

the same exact way. Whether it's your partner or your

boss, it doesn't matter. So how you do one thing you do, and all of

them. Okay, let's say you're watching a masterclass on

dealing with a relationship with a lover. You can learn information

about this and apply it to the business world, apply it to your boss,

your employees, whatever, because conflict is conflict. A

relationship is a relationship. The way you foster one relationship, you foster

the same exact with another person. Because humans,

human interaction is interaction. Soul sees soul.

Mm hmm. Mm hmm. I do appreciate that. And do you

have a sort of baseline philosophy? You build this

relationship, for example, a very common one is attachment theory. That's a common

way of describing relationships. Is there a pre

existing modality or principle that you use when discussing

and teaching about strong relationships? I teach on relationships,

personal development, spirituality, a little bit of, like, financial

wealth. I don't teach on the relationship. Some

teachers do have particular modalities.

Some teachers just kind of go all over. And something that's really

beautiful that we do in expansion alchemy is before someone signs

up corporation wise, we give all of the

employees as well as the managers and above,

different surveys to fill out. Okay, what do you need help

with? What do you need assistance with? Where do you think your team needs help

with? Etcetera? Then from that, we, like, I give

that survey to all of the teachers, and we create classes based off of what

the needs of the students are. So if they need

particular classes on relationships with themselves,

relationships with their partners, whatever, then my teachers curate

specific classes based off of that. Right. Okay. Okay. That makes sense. That

makes sense. Lovely. Well, then perhaps we can, we can dig into this idea

of finance as one of the things that, I don't know if it's

tapped, tied in together, but one

of the monikers. The hashtags that I saw you go by is

millennial, manifester. It's so many people in the world of

manifestation. It's like, what do you want to manifest? Money.

Love and money. Everyone always wants love and money.

Love and money is actually a beautiful correlation

with one another. Like, if you're manifesting

love and you're, like, at a, like,

financial, like, either really well or really poorly, then

the other one is going to ask you to up level and vice versa. Let's

say you're in the best relationship of your life, but you're financially rock bottom.

Like, your finances are asking you to expand because you've already

done so. In the love part, they go hand in hand, which a lot of

people don't. Don't realize that they do.

Yeah, I like that a lot. And I found that looking at

financial life as less of a number and more of an

energy. So I guess kind of going back into the realm of spirit. It's

like if an individual views

finances from a different perspective, particularly if

their baseline perspective is that of lack. But if they view finances

as an outcome of value, it very much

shifts how finances and financial wealth

is developed. How do you feel about that? How does that line with you?

I 100% agree with that. So

we manifest from our subconscious mind. We manifest from your

subconscious is all of your thoughts, your programming, all of the stuff your

parents taught you, society has taught you when you were younger,

your inner child, your. Your shadows when you were

younger. So a lot of the time we get that lack because,

okay, our parents, like, for example, myself, like, I had a lot

of programming to do around money. I'm an immigrant to the

US. I came to the US when I was really young. My parents were 20

years old when we came to the US, like, with a little three year old.

Like, they didn't have real jobs. Then my dad got in a work accident when

I was ten years old. I had to grow up really quickly. Like, went to

university really early. Then my dad stole $100,000 from me.

Then, like, this happened. So, like, I had all of this programming, I had a

lot of work around money to do it, and I'm still working on it. Like,

it's still not 100% perfect, but that was all living in my

subconscious mind. So your lack links to

your inner child. Okay, maybe you were in a healthy.

You had healthy parents growing up, but

that you. Maybe your mom wasn't allowed to, like,

spend money. Maybe it was just your dad being like a dictator pretty

much, and you're like, oh, I have laughed because. But their relationship was

loving. So whatever that dynamic might be, it

all comes from, like, that subconscious mind. So we need to learn to

reprogram that so that you feel worthy of

having abundance, having financial wealth, having whatever. But it

stems from that inner child. Okay, what did your inner child, look at this. What

did your. And it's something we don't even like. That's what your subconscious

is. Stuff that you don't even recognize because it's not conscious.

It's living so deep in you, you might not even realize it.

And that's where you really have to start looking. And yes, it is energetics. How

can we change that energy? Because it's easy to reprogram

your subconscious, like sitting in a breath work, doing some eFt, tapping,

journaling, whatever it might be. Once you release that, you can

reprogram it and give yourself a new story. And that's when you'll energetically

start, like, feeling valuable, feeling like you're

deserving worthiness, that you can have this. This,

yeah. And again, it reinforces this principle that you have of

the. The order in which one goes through the pillars is finances

is often a

afterthought, not an afterthought, a repercussion of doing the rest of the work. It's like

that just sorts itself out. The principles are like, okay, I got this.

It'll just fall. Make itself fall into place. Like some. Sometimes you

might not even have to work on your finances at that point. They'll just. Just

automatically raise because you've done the work.

And I also like the, the love and money phrase that you said. What. What

I found is these two things, for some reason,

they. They go opposite of that. That famous Bible

verse, seek and ye shall find. Right? It's like everything I've experienced in life,

if I want it, I just look for it. I put. I put the intention

out there, I put the effort in, and the thing appears or

it gets created. But those two things, love and money, they're like the opposite. It's

like the harder you look for love and the harder you

want money, the further away they seem to get. And

I'm curious if you've experienced that or you see something the same, and if

so, what's going on with that? Because you need to detach.

All about manifestation is letting go and detaching.

I surrender. I know that it is coming now. God,

it's been five minutes. Why is it my lover at my front door? Why

isn't Prince Charming here? Come on. Come on, God, where is it? Where is

it? Let go. Surrender everything in perfect,

divine timing. Everything is going to happen. Just keep doing the work. Keep

working on yourself and everything will fall into place. Don't have attachment

when it's going to come. This is how it's going to happen. Because God's got

a much better plan for you than you can ever imagine. And if you keep

asking, knocking on his door like, he'll be like, yo, wait,

just hang on, hold over here. Yeah, yeah,

no, I really appreciate that. And I find that that tends to be the case

too. Those two aspects, the love and money,

they tend to be the byproduct of the inner

work, the true alchemy an individual does.

So as we've gone through this expansion alchemy, I'm curious if it feels

alright with you if we can shift into some of the personal work that you

do, because I understand you do indeed do coaching and professional, from

what I've seen, a variety of coaching as well. So is it all right if

we kind of shift directions into that area? Yeah. Okay.

So with your personal coaching, what's your favorite?

I'll just go ahead. What's your favorite type of mentor? I've gotten

rid of the word coaching. I don't like coaching anymore and I

just focus on spiritual mentoring at the moment. Spiritual and like integration

mentoring. I work a lot with plant medicines. I facilitate plant

plant medicines. I'm actually in the process of looking for land to buy a retreat

to build a retreat center here in Colombia.

So focusing a lot on pre, post integration mentoring.

Spiritual mentoring. I do akashic records. I do a lot of stuff, but like the

spiritual stuff, that's my jam. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. So I want thank you for that distinction and correction

between coaching and mentoring. I appreciate that. And when, when you

talk about spiritual mentoring, what's that like for you? It's,

it's something that I'm very interested in personally. And I imagine though, a lot of

people listening are like, what are you talking about? Spiritual

mentoring? So let me go

backtrack a little bit about coaching and mentoring. Like what is the

difference between the two? And why do I prefer one versus the other? Isn't it

the same thing? And some people might think that. So coaching

is okay. You've gone through Tony Robbins,

you had your own like coach or mentor, and these are

the seven steps that you need to take in order to do x, Y and

z. Whereas a mentor teaches strictly based

off of experience. Yes, I might implement some tools and

techniques that I've learned along the way. But

I was sick for so long, I sat in plant medicines.

I did this, and I teach based off of my own

experiences. This is what worked for me. This is what worked for other people.

This is what I've seen work. This is what I've seen. Didn't work. Do not

try this at home, whatever it might be. I teach off

of experiences. That's what a mentor is versus a

coach. Now, what was your question? I just went

off on a tangent. So this idea of what exactly is

spiritual mentoring? Yeah. So assisting

people to raise their mind, body, and spirit, whether

I have some clients that have never meditated before.

They're just. I just want to feel better. I just want to wake up and

not have anxiety. And I have a bunch of tools that I help them

with, whether it's meditation, whether it's some akashic records, whatever it

might be. Then I have some clients that are so deep on the

path, and they're like, okay, I've been meditating every day

for five years. I'm doing this. I'm doing this, and they just want to

go in deeper. So for them, I usually work with plant medicines. I

work with tools that might, they might have never heard of human

design, going into astrology, whatever. And, like, I'm not an expert

at all of these, but I know a lot of experts, and I do my

own due diligence as well. Again, I'm a mentor, not a. I'm a coach.

I know all of this, but this is what works. This is what I've tried.

This is what I can help with. So diving into different, different

tools and then plant medicines, a lot of the times for those people that are

a. Lot more experienced as well, if you're comfortable with it. Can

we dig into plant medicines? What's the preferred

modality? I suppose the preferred plant, if you have one. And what's that

process? Ayahuasca is my all time favorite.

She's my favorite. I've been drinking with ayahuasca, working

with the medicine for six years now. And just last

November, I went to the jungle for two months to get initiated

into a tribe so I can facilitate and serve the medicine. So I spent two

months over there learning, and it's my

medicine. What do you think about it? Has.

Has called you with all the different, I guess, choices one

has with spiritual plant medicines. What is it about ayahuasca that

you love so much? So with anything, I really truly believe

do it all and see what calls to you, see which one you really resonate

with it, because there's no one size for spirituality.

Not everything is for everyone. Ayahuasca is definitely not for

everyone. Ever since the first time that I drank, I was

like, oh, my God, this is amazing. Every single person on this planet needs to

do this. I now have been working with this for six years. I know it

is not for everyone, but I have that ayahuasca glow. I'm

like, this is amazing. And little by

little. So my first few ceremonies was just really working through

a lot of the traumas that I had, a lot of the big stuff, as

I like to say, ayahuasca first works on the big stuff, and now I'm over

a hundred ceremonies in, like, I. She doesn't work. I don't

have any more of that big stuff to work through anymore.

But ever since the beginning, like, she started giving me little

inklings, like, this is a lot more

for you, for your soul to really work with

me in a much more profound way, rather than just going

as a. Like, as a passagero, as someone that's going there just for

ceremony once a year, once every couple of years. Like, I also, I live

in Medellin, so it's super accessible for me. I literally have ayahuasca in my

cabinet at the. In the moment because I facilitate my own

ceremonies for myself as well sometimes. Like, it's just a lot

more accessible for me. And, like, she started just showing me inklings, like, this

is going to be much deeper work for you because

it's been so powerful. Me. For me, I've healed the most with

ayahuasca. I've worked through the most is. It's been my most

profound healing modality, and I'm really excited to bring it

to the world. And this is why she started calling me, like, I surrendered and

I listened. This is what she wanted. This is what's happening. That is

beautiful, and she is a powerful medicine, so I

appreciate the approach. Not for everyone, though. Please,

if you're watching this, please do your due diligence. It is not

for everyone. I would agree with that completely. One of the ceremonies

that I went to, which was beautifully

facilitated, unbelievably well done, but there

was a lack of, once again, integration. So for me, I wouldn't.

I wouldn't call it an ayahuasca glow. I would call it an

ayahuasca atomic bomb, maybe. I'm not sure. There was no

glow. It was just blasted open, totally blasted, which,

of course, is amazing, but the lack of

detailed integration really messed me up. Like, it really, really,

genuinely messed me up. So I think not only is it do ones do

due diligence and research, it's make sure that

the person that you are going to that is hosting the ceremony or facilitating

the ceremony has all the steps from the pre integration.

To the actual ceremony. Yeah. And if not, this is why I do integration

mentoring as well. I help people walk through ceremonies

afterwards because sometimes I don't have. I just don't have the capacity to hold

ceremony for everyone. So go drink somewhere else and then come back to me

for the integration, either pre or post, whatever it might be.

But that's something that once I open up my own center, I'll be

focusing on very heavily doing pre and post integration.

We're looking at like, doing some one on one stuff and then having like,

even courses, like, pre stuff. Watch these before

you come to ceremony. This is what you need to do. And then afterwards, like,

okay, here are some steps. And then we'll do some one on one stuff. We'll

do some group stuff as well because it's. It's so important. And like, I

drank at maybe 15 different

centers here in Columbia and all

but one of them, one and a half, because the other one, they

had an integration program, but it was separate. It was someone who,

like, you paid. Additionally, it wasn't included in the ceremony.

Only one center really focused on integration coaching and

like post, and none of them did pre

post, and then the other one had like a separate program. So I was like,

this is something that, like, is needed. I need to help people with

this. So that's something we'll really be focusing on once our center's up and

running. I appreciate that a lot. I

think that part, as I'm sure you could tell through the course of this

conversation, I'm particularly passionate about the integration part, be it from plant

medicine or just a lovely weekend retreat. I think that is

an essential part of the process. So. So thank you for. For. For making that

available to individuals who haven't gone through ceremony with

you but are interested in integration. Yeah, it's definitely how to

integrate the mind, body and spirit so it all becomes one. Because

we know, like we were saying, it is all one. How do we integrate that?

Okay. My body just went on this journey. My mind went freaking to planet

Mars or somewhere. My spirit is flying over there in 6D

right now. How do we put it all together? Mars, sixties, and

actual Earth all in one.

Exactly. And then get back on a plane and go back home

and walk with the. The experience

and the dignity afterwards. I think that that's essential. Yeah. So as

we're coming close to our time together, I'm curious, is there anything that you

feel we haven't discussed that you would like to dig into or any. Any

conversation that we can deepen? I don't think so. I think we

talked about all the good things at this point. That's wonderful. Great.

Thank you. And there's one question that I ask virtually everybody. It's an ongoing

curiosity I have. So as a mentor

and a practitioner of sorts, and likely somebody who's gone to many different

practitioners. In your opinion and in your experience, what

makes a practitioner successful?

Ooh. Just being there for a patient,

like a real bedside manner is very important.

Whether they're breaking down, because there's been times that I've been to doctors where I

broke down or doing a Reiki session, Akashic records, whatever it might

be, just being there for the person and

holding space for them in a really beautiful way.

Thank you. I think that is a wonderful answer. Thank you so much.

Of course, all of the. Oh, yes. The links to all of your

amazing endeavors and projects will all be in the show notes. And if

anybody's interested, I'll make sure that they can get a hold of you and follow

you quite easily from there. But I would really like to thank you for this

conversation. I enjoyed it a lot, so thank you very much for your

time. It's been a pleasure.