Sackle up.

This might be a long one.

Welcome back to the Maya Games.

Welcome to this side of the Maya Games, Amalia.

I'm just assuming you've listened to an episode before.

I've got Amalia here.

Amalia pointed out to me last night that of all of the conversations we've been a part of together and recorded, we've never done one.

Just us, which.

Sorry, I stole your thunder.

You said you were gonna mention that and I. Oh yeah.

How dare you.

But yeah, it was shocking to me when they pointed that out because the last six months or so Amalia and I have been very connected and especially in the context of podcasty type stuff.

So welcome world, to the very the debut of.

Of the duet.

Not trio, not quartet, not octet, but duet of Amalia and Kelsey.

The podcast we've been having in the ether for maybe years now.

Yeah.

Finally pulled into the material.

Yeah, I was gonna say I invited Amalia on, but really what happened was we kind of co invited and initiated this episode in particular.

But I'm really excited for Amalia to be my conversation partner on this episode, which I have some loose intentions around it and I'm just trusting that without much of an agenda, we'll hit on the things that feel energetically relevant.

But the kind of main intention of this call, loose intention is of this call of this episode is to initiate a project which will be, I think, the next 11 episodes of the Maya Games, which we'll introduce today and talk about what it is and talk about some of the background in regards to collaboration and community that inspired it that Amalia has been a large part of and talk about kind of the intention of the series, which is going to be about the astrology of 2026, but looping in all sorts of other things, including the 2027 global cycles key change, and then also specifically talking about my.

And I'm sure our as well.

Like what's the word I want to use?

I've already used intention a bunch, but that feels right.

Our approach is maybe another way.

Our relationship to looking ahead at astrology, our relationship to looking at transits in the present and retrospectively and ahead.

I'm trying to find a couple words to sum it up what that approach is, but I don't know that there are a couple words, which is why it feels good to just invite you on for a lengthy conversation about it, but something to the effect of what is it?

To really be present with and digest what we're experiencing.

That's an intention that I have in all of the teaching that I do and all of my personal practices and the.

I want to bring really explicitly to this pending 11 part conversation on the astrology of this year.

And Amalia felt like a really good person to have this convo with for several reasons.

Amalia is a Taurus rising.

So just like the somatic embodied experience of life is a lens through which Amalia I imagine and have observed experiences reality.

And Amalia is also fluent in astrology and human design, which is something I'm really excited about.

Many of the people that I'm gonna have on this series are that as well.

And yeah, Molly has been in close connection and collaboration with me in this last season too, so has a good perspective on my work in the now and how it fits into a larger cycle and unfolding process in my work.

So that doesn't feel quite exhaustive or perfectly articulated, but we'll let it be a starting point.

So thank you, Amalia, for coming here with me to be my convo partner, witness, mirror, co facilitator of this introduction to the series.

Oh, one more thing we're also gonna introduce.

Another reason Amalia felt like the right person for this intro convo is that alongside this cosmic context of 2026 series, I'm resurrecting Ascendant assemblies this year and kind of in a br simplified way.

So we'll talk more about that.

But some of you already know what that is and took part in it a few years ago.

And Amalia is going to co facilitate those calls with me.

So I also want to talk about that with you and share that resurrection with the world.

Okay.

Long onboarding ramp.

Hi.

Hi.

Thank you, Kelsey.

Thanks for being here.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Did you have any little spark?

Any sparklies?

Anything wanna come through?

Just listening to my verbose thesis statement.

I'm thinking.

I think the thing.

I'm excited to talk about the way that we think about the way I.

Whatever.

Yeah, the.

We always think about transits and predictive astrology.

I've had my own experience shifting relationship with that and I know you have too.

So I'm excited about that part.

But I think we will get to.

That's hardly a small spark.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So Amalia is going to return in this series, which I guess I should say what the series is going to be.

I'm going to look at one planet at a time with a different astrologer each episode.

And I think I have like 10 astrologers signed on to join me for this and I want to Say seven of them are also people who are familiar with the 2027 locks and keys global cycle shift.

So that will be present in the conversations as well.

And each astrologer.

Yeah.

Is gonna look with me at a specific planet in 2026.

And I think the conversations are probably gonna take very different shapes.

I imagine some are gonna be pretty technical, some are gonna be very vibey, some will be a nice mix.

Some will look kind of linearly and bring in a lot of the aspects to the other planets.

Others maybe not so much.

And yeah, I'm excited to just kind of explore and experiment with what want organically.

But Amalia is going to be back later in the series for the Venus convo.

And I think it was Amalia and I kind of beginning to attune to Venus that brought forward the potential value of having a conversation up top ahead of all of it.

To feel into how are we relating, how are we attuning to transits?

Is there anything about your own personal designer astrology, like your actual frequency first versus your practice, which we'll come back to, or maybe it wants to be interwoven.

That feels relevant to share, maybe to kind of ease us into how are we positioning ourselves as observers of the transits?

And not just observers, but like people that are talking about the transits and are gonna be facilitating conversations about the transits throughout the year.

Yeah.

I mean, what feels really.

This is both kind of normal and also just feels really relevant.

I can just say I'm a Taurus rising, ruled by Venus in my ninth house in Capricorn with a hefty cap stellium.

I also have an Aquarius stellium, quite saturnian.

Aquarius stellium, including sun.

Yes, indeed.

Coming up.

Coming up.

Love that you just like bypassed the solar position to talk about how your.

Saturnially fallen sun nature.

Yeah, a stellium but no sun.

Don't no sun.

I'm a sunless chart.

My moon is in pisces in my 11th house.

I also have the 3740 channel skipping over to human design, which feels just really in bed with my 11th house moon.

So that's a big part of me and my frequency.

Tribal community oriented.

Yeah, I think also just feels really present astrologically for me.

My midheaven is also in the 9th house at 20 degrees Capricorn with Mars on my midheaven.

And I mention that with such specificity because that's exactly where this cazimi stack has been happening.

So you're witnessing me both still Kind of in and just rawly post big Mars, Venus, Mercury, Sun Captain situation and also Jupiter.

This is interesting that I'm giving this much context, but for anyone that's interested in this, Jupiter was also exactly on my IC as that was happening.

So yeah, that's the energy you're taking in if you're interested in that level.

Of technicality also relevant per your design.

4 6.

46 emotional generator.

But the 46 feels very like connects to this idea that we've been referring to as witness 2026 with the 46 being like the 6 line body is just living like an embodied experience of what's happening and assimilating it on this like deep soul embodied level.

But.

And the fourth line mind like wants to and needs to and is driven to talk about it and externalize it and like have it mirrored, have it received and mirrored back to them in their confidants out in the relational plane.

So yeah, I'm just feeling into the four sixness of this practice as well and of how I see you relate to the astrology and what I'm excited to incorporate of your skill set and your beingness into this conversation, this series and this year.

Yeah.

So, okay, I'm gonna just list out some of the things that I wanna talk about today and we'll.

Then we'll just go from there.

I wanna talk about this last season of collaborative podcasting and what it's lit up in me and what I've really enjoyed about it and how that's influenced this approach to 2026 cosmic context series that we're initiating today.

That might actually be a good place to start.

But let me list the other ones too.

I want to talk a little bit about 2027 and I don't have.

I don't really care what we talk about with that.

I just want to bring it in, create a little space to feel into it.

I think I'm going to have a few things I want to say about it, but I don't know what I want to actually introduce formally ascendant assemblies and what that's going to look like this year, but both kind of logistically and maybe connect to historically what that's looked like in the past and then talk about our own intentions and excitement in being a part of that longer unfolding and then yeah, the big thing that I think will probably weave its way into all three of those other things is, yeah, just leaning like talking about what is this concept of witnessing?

What does witness 2026 mean and what's the greater invitation that we're bringing to people listening to this and to anybody who's gonna engage with us in the Ascendant Assemblies series of calls throughout this year.

What are we talking about when we say Witness 2026?

What's the version of being in relationship to the astrology?

To not even just the astrology, but the collective unfolding that we wanna invite people into?

Yeah, I'm.

I'm with you on all of those.

I'm excited to get.

Get into it.

Yeah.

Did you feel excited to go in any of those directions first?

Okay.

Bit by, like, one by one.

I was having a yes to each one of them.

Now I'm sitting here with four yeses.

Okay, let's go with collaborative.

Yeah, yeah.

And people who have been listening, following along to me in the last season know this already, but in case not, let's name it.

And also just to directly invoke some of the qualities of what that experiment has been into this new little project.

Yeah, definitely.

Good context.

So Amalia mentioned 3740.

We both share that channel design of a part seeking a whole channel of community.

Even thinking about, like, the 3740 part seeking a whole.

The planets as a part in the tapestry.

Yeah, I didn't even need to say it for you to know what I'm talking about.

Yeah.

Like, Amali and I are just both very attuned as beings to parts and whole and the whole as a sum of its parts, and the alchemy of all the parts of the whole.

We talk about grid work a lot.

We have been in, I don't know, I want to say radical experimentation separately and then together, like, kind of passing notes to each other about what it is to be an individual in the context of community in some really specific ways in this last season.

But one of the projects that came through collaboratory was this limited series podcast called Lab Partners, which I just had so much fucking fun being a part of and sharing.

And it just felt so like me.

Like, I remember throughout that whole process just having so many moments where I was just like, this is the most me thing I've put out in a while.

Like, this feels like my frequency.

This feels so effortless.

This feels so fun.

It feels like me.

And I think about it like I'm in a fifth house, Aries Stellium, with my Venus conjunct, my sun there, and my Venus is the ruler of my 11th house.

So even just seeing this sense of what I create is these shared communal experiences that is part of my Art that is part of my creative expression.

And part of what was so cool with Lab Partners was I got to initiate it and I got to be part of it.

But it was this thing that, like, all fifth House creations are bigger than me.

It was a womb space for, like, all these other seeds to be born and like a whole tapestry of convers.

It felt very like grid work, very.

Like I didn't have to be part of every conversation, but I could feel myself and hear myself and hear my influence and my impact in every conversation.

And I think lots of people that were part of that eight person container of collaboratory and were contributing to Lab Partners felt that too, because we were all having this contained experience together, and then we were sharing parts of it with each other and with the public through the Lab Partners convo.

And it was like every episode contained all of us somehow.

And then this other thing started happening where I knew certain people were listening and they would, like, voice note me or I would engage with them somewhere else.

And then they would end up, like, their energy would end up being in the episodes too.

So it was this really just fun experiment and experience of grid work and being a part of a whole and like, sacred reciprocity in a way, too, because it helped me relax around some of my.

The way that I, like, cling to, like, a desire for recognition and a desire for people to acknowledge my impact.

Like, I could feel into the energy of that rather than need it.

And I got to see that happen on so many layers and so many levels with so many people.

I feel like I've articulated it way better in other moments than I am right now, but I'm just gonna relax around.

It was just.

Yeah, it was just really fun.

It was a really fun, I think, innovative way to collaborate.

And I think that I got to see the real principles of synergy.

Like, I got to really see a synergistic output where the magic that we were all making together and sharing together was exponentially greater because it was a thing that we were all holding together.

It was a womb space for all of our ideations and ideas and conceptualizations and processes throughout this time.

And something similar has been happening on my Patreon exclusive podcast, Quality Time, where people who are in my, like, peer devotional tier there, who are like, yeah, basically like friends and peers who are also mostly people who have worked closely with me at some point.

And so there's a level of, like, trust and understanding, are joining me for just, like, informal, long, deep dive, quality time conversations that then are Shared with the greater Patreon community.

And so it's a little different because, like, the glue is me versus the eight of us, you know?

But it has the.

Has that similar feeling of some people are listening to.

Oh, this is the other thing I didn't mention.

Sorry, I'm almost done.

Some people are listening to conversations, and then you can hear, like, their ideas come in.

So even though in quality time, people are just sitting with me, and in lab partners, it was usually just two people or three people, whether I was there or not.

It's like we all really were there because we are taking in and receiving each other's voices, and that's informed, forming things.

And.

Yeah, then it's just like this exponential matrix of understanding that's just, like, so beautiful.

And I really just feel the rhythm of sacred reciprocity and interdependence in that.

And so I have just been in love with that and am wanting to do more of that.

And when I started to realize I was gonna be doing something on the astrology of 2026, none of it felt exciting to me until I had a moment where I dropped into, like, oh, I wanna kind of match that level of collaborative matrix womb space.

Various voices tuning into each other and weaving something greater together.

The public private sphere is like, so much of what we played with in collaboratory and so much of what I played with with my sunless fallen sun situation.

Visibility was like, a big thing we were playing with.

And I think that just feels like a important element to name in the grid work of it all.

Like, what was it like?

We ended up playing with what it was to have these weekly meanings and then have so much of our output be about process and process through the form of our riffing together in dyadic or triad conversations.

And I think that, yes, as you said, it was like this.

Like, we got to sort of experience and watch and witness, and listeners got to witness what it was like to have two or three people like, like, represent a whole and, like, have that whole be such a felt being and have that whole be like felt, but not as a bounded being.

Right.

Because as you said, there were these other voices that were constantly being threaded in and out.

And, like, for example, I was in this whole other group at the same time that was finishing.

And so I was always threading back and forth between collaboratory and that other group that I was part of.

And I do think that that's representative of the way that, like, we as teachers and learners, as beings are always threading our Teachers and our students and our peers.

I think there is just something.

What I'm trying to say is that, like, this didn't feel unique to collaboratory, but we were really like, we got to explore and present the ways in which we are so connected and our conversations are always weaving, and it just got to be this like, tangible output, input, output.

Like, it feels almost like, as I'm describing it, it feels like performance art or something that, like performance art of a web, you know, like the design of a web.

And that's cool.

Yeah, yeah.

You feel that?

Like, that chills as I like.

Yeah, like that.

Like the design of a web.

Yeah.

Performance of a web.

It's interesting to bring the performance piece into it too, because I feel like a lot of what we experimented with and there's an and.

But I'm going to come back to it because it's.

It's stopping my sentence flow right now.

A lot of what we experimented with was kind of blurring the lines between performance and.

And non.

Performance.

Yeah, yeah.

And like dropping the fourth wall, but not so, like, the fourth wall is there, but we're also reaching past it, but it's there.

And like, as a second line for me and I imagine as a fourth line for you, there's like, similarity there of the, like, selectivity.

You know, the fourth line is like, confidant or not.

And the second line is like, my windows open or not.

Like, who.

Who do I have a taste for and who do I not have a taste for in the selectivity of like, who's allowed, to wit.

And so there was like, part of the magic that unfolded and part of what I got more nuanced experimentation with, and I think a lot of us did as well, is like, what happens when there's the quality for.

There's like the circumstances for real quality connection and like, kind of dropping the facade and really sitting into authenticity and honesty and vulnerability because of all the selectivity that went into curating that group of the eight of us and all of the intensity that unfolded around our connections to each other.

But then we were benefiting from all of that.

But then we were also sharing.

We all felt very resourced in a way by that curation of awareness and integrity and self responsibility and relationship between the eight of us.

And so we felt resourced by that enough to drop into these really vulnerable, authentic states.

And then we shared that with other people.

And somehow, like, for me, and I think I saw something universal in this throughout the eight of us, it didn't.

It stopped Mattering what might be happening on the other side of the eight of us, those perceptions, because we were so dropped into just, like, authentic expression and flow, because we had the qualities for that amongst the eight of us.

So that was also part of.

I think the.

And I was missing was something about part of the experiment findings and the magic of what unfolded there.

And this is kind of a fun.

Like, it's been a couple months, a few months now.

It's the first time we're looking back together at that part of the collaboratory.

Yeah.

And it doesn't apply entirely to what this series is gonna be, but it is, like, an important part of my recent history as like, a creator facilitator, community Weaver.

That is a foundation for how I'm wanting to experiment with this next little project.

Well, the thing that was coming through as you were just talking, which felt so true for me, was safe enough to play, like, a funny key and not coincidental, I think element was that none of us are third lines.

And in some ways that might be interpreted as, like, none of us really have this intrinsic safe enough to play vibe to us.

You know, we needed this curated.

Like, really, like, are we in integrity with each other?

Like, can we build intimacy in this way scaffolding to then be able to drop the fourth wall and be like, actually, it doesn't matter at all what we say.

Like, people will tune in, you know, like, it.

Like, we already know that.

But for our bodies to know that, we kind of, like, we have the perf.

Perfect setup to be able to experiment with that.

And I think, like, much external and circumstantial safety.

When you experience that enough to be able to trust it, then you can fold it into your body and take it with you.

And that's, like, one way that I think I see you moving forward.

And like, yes, this next project isn't going to be collaboratory, but you have the safety folded into you, like, baked into your body.

Now that from collaboratory and from that experimentation that now you can be even more vulnerable, even more intimate, even less focused on how others might perceive you.

And then you bring that with your energy grid work to everyone involved in this project, and it's going to really shape the way the project unfolds.

Yeah, totally.

That's beautiful.

Thank you.

Also noticed when you mentioned, like, safe enough to play and none of us being third lines, I started thinking through the people.

I think you're the only person that's going to be part of this convo series that was in collaboratory.

And I'm just looking at my list of folks and there's.

It's you, me, and eight other people.

And five of those eight people are third line.

So that's just funny to me.

Like, there you go.

They know what they know.

They feel secure enough to play anyways.

Yeah.

But it's also all people that I feel secure with.

Right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, yeah, there's that security piece that's big.

But then the other thing that I feel like really excited about and that I told everybody about who I invited to be part of this series and I had to, you know, share it in a very, like, no expectation way.

I don't expect anyone else to be as excited or and therefore participatory at this level as me.

But I wanted people to know that this was a part of the vision and part of the excitement for me.

Like, again, that felt like an important piece of history in recent Kelce lore for people to understand, like, what it is that I'm creating that I'm wanting them to be a part of.

It's like, obviously I've never seen anybody else look at the astrology of a time before by deep diving into one particular planet.

And in the past, when I have done sort of forecast y type of stuff, I've sort of done that, I've done it in the way that transits have always made sense to me, which is looking at the outer planets, which I call the lower tones and then the midtones and then the upper tones.

Because I'm feeling into it musically.

Those outer planets are like a drone sound on the year.

And then the middle tones like Jupiter and Saturn and the nodes and sometimes Chiron are kind of like maybe the chord changes.

And then the upper tones, like the inner planets, the faster moving planets are like the melodies and the harmonies.

And that has always really resonated with me as a way to calibrate to Kairos time is to feel into these different octaves of the layers.

So this way of formatting it like planet by planet feels like an extension of that kind of.

Except it's really inviting us to go super deep by shining a light, like really focusing on what's one planet.

Whether it is one of these lower mid or upper tones, whether it's in like Pluto is in Aquarius all year this year, if we're looking at any Pluto movement, it's just about the retrograde.

It's not moving signs at all.

But of course that one drone of Pluto is gonna be changing in relationship to the other planets in the Tapestry.

So, yeah, I really, like.

I don't know how this is gonna unfold, but I have a sense of trust that whatever is gonna show up when Amalia and I talk about Venus, whatever wants to drop into that conversation with us the day we have it.

As we're talking about everything Venus will do this year or whatever, within everything Venus will do that year that we decide to touch on, we're gonna organically bring in some of the aspects that Venus is gonna make, I imagine.

And if somebody else listens to that who's a part of a different convo with me, they're gonna be very consciously informed by some of those threads, and that's gonna potentially be very generative in regards to how we talk about Mars or how we talk about Jupiter, et cetera, et cetera.

So part of what I'm inviting everyone to do is to listen, if they want to, to any of the other convos that are had before we have ours, and just invite that sort of, like, matrix of woven ideas and contemplations.

And even if nobody else engages on that level much or at all, I will have been a part of each of these convos.

And probably I like listening back to them too.

I've found this maybe connects a little bit to the idea of Witness 2026.

I've.

Everything I've put out in the last several months via lab partners, quality time, or the Maya games I've listened back to.

And while sure there's moments of, like, self consciousness and cringe that come up, ultimately it's been really supportive for me to, like, have that second opportunity to feel into what I was channeling and what I was saying and what the other person or people were channeling and saying.

And, like, there's something that happens, you know, oftentimes even if I'm really dropped in and in the flow in conversation with someone, there's still a little bit of a feeling of like, I'm being listened to, I have to speak next, blah, blah, blah, Right.

And so going back and listening, I'm able to really take in the conversation both the genius and wisdom that came through the other person or people, and the genius and wisdom that came through me and actually really, like, be with it and be present with it and sit with it and soak it in.

So, yeah, I've just really enjoyed that being a habituated step in this process of sharing lately.

And I'm gonna do that with this too.

So there's an element of just a commitment to weaving it all together that I don't even need.

Commitment's not the right word, but an intention of weaving it all together.

So, yeah, I just wanted to speak to that collaborative piece a little bit because I'm excited to see how the same way that Venus in the sky is always doing her own thing, but she's never actually void of influence from the other planets, from whoever her ruler is at that moment, whatever aspect she's making or non aspects she's making.

And this series focusing on the distillation of one planet at a time through two astrologers, eyes at a time, is gonna do the same thing.

It's gonna be.

Even if people don't listen.

We are all connected in a matrix of consciousness, so it's gonna be informed by it.

But then bringing that intentionality around the performance of a web, like you said, intuit feels really exciting to me.

And giving people an opportunity, listeners as well, an opportunity to hear how that happens and be a part of this.

Yeah.

The matrix, the weave.

Yeah.

I was thinking, really of the mercurial seventh house.

I was also thinking about 59 and the intimacy.

Like, there's this way that so much 2027 stuff was coming up and thinking about the intimacy of focusing on one planet at a time and that depth of, let me just invite you and romance this one planet at a time.

I love that.

But then also thinking about your mercurial seventh House in the way where any seventh house business you're up to is still gonna be about weaving.

You're always gonna be bringing in that web, bringing in those other threads.

That's so beautiful.

Thank you.

Yeah.

And just also thinking about just the beauty of focus.

And I've really been trying to anchor with the Dharma this month, and I'm in no way someone to speak or teach Dharma.

But something that was coming up for me was how one of my teachers this month has been talking about or used the framework of.

When you use an anchor, such as your breath and you're meditating, you're not saying it's the only thing you're allowed to do.

You're doing it wrong.

If you're not focused on your breath, you're allowing it to take center.

So it's okay that there's other things on this stage, but the point is that you might look to the backup dancers, and then you come back to who's on center stage.

And that was really showing up for me.

When you were talking about what would it be to focus just on Venus, knowing that there are beautifully other players, of course.

Thank God.

Right?

And just allowing there to be one focus is okay.

And really actually can bring in a lot of breadth and depth as opposed to, like, this sort of scarcity of needing to look at all of the things at once.

Yeah, that's really beautiful.

Honorable mention to your 52.9 channel.

Yeah, she's there.

I really love the metaphor of, like, breath meditation and it not being about repressing everything else that's there when you're focusing about the breath, but rather it being about the breath as an anchor for you to be able to more honestly and perhaps comfortably.

It's a resource.

Right?

The breath is a resource.

It's a life raft for you to experience everything else.

And that feels so connected to what we've been talking about and what we've just been seemingly psychically connecting on around.

How are we as astrologers who have also been influenced by the somatic practice of human design and other somatic practices which we can speak to if we want, like breathwork, and as folks who are also, however, consciously or unconsciously, assimilating the unfolding of our perception on the unfolding of time via the 20:27 shift from cross of planning into sleeping Phoenix.

How are we in this moment?

We, as in just like Kelsey and Amalia, how are we looking at astrology?

How are we experiencing transits?

And what's the invitation that we're inviting people into who are gonna listen to all of our parts of this series or who might join us for ascendant assemblies?

Yeah, I just really liked the breath as kind of an anchor or a life raft piece there, because that feels pretty close to what it is I'm wanting to.

It feels very close to how I just organically have always looked at transits and experienced transits through the lens of astrology and how I want to really explicitly and intentionally invite folks who are going to listen to me and us and work with me and us this year to be in relationship to the transits.

And yeah, let me mention too, I just want to give a shout out to Lex, who's going to do the Uranus episode with me.

Were you on that call?

No, I think maybe you weren't.

There was an altar call where now I'm, like, stuck in trying to figure out if you were on the call, which doesn't matter.

Open head.

You can tell me later.

And also, it doesn't matter because I'm talking about it now.

But Lex mentioned on one of the alter calls recently that they'd been really kind of, like, inundated with 2026 content from astrologers and other practitioners too.

And that it was, like, feeling pretty doomy.

And that, like, hearing from Lex what that experience was like.

It was the first moment.

This was already, like, a week into January, I think, or at least a few days into January.

And it was the first moment I even considered, am I gonna do anything on the astrology of this year?

But first I had this thought of, like, oh, I want to hear what the astrologers are saying.

Like, what are people saying about this year?

And I hadn't even really thought about it.

And then hearing that from Lex, it kind of just ignited something in me of like, I want to take that in.

And then I want to bring my take.

And I don't even know what my take is.

Even as I'm talking to you now, I don't really know what my take is yet, but I'm going to discover my take, live Gemini, seventh house, in conversation with folks, and bring the way that I naturally relate to stuff into it.

And yeah, I think I have this, like, I want to challenge the duality that shows up in minds, including my own, around it's going to be a bad year or a good year or the collective shit is absolute chaos.

The United States is possibly already in the middle of a civil war.

Are we losing democracy, global fascism, et cetera, et cetera, economic collapse?

Like, all these things very well may happen.

It really feels like they're happening.

And even the duality of using astrology to predict this bad stuff versus trying to find hope in it.

I'm really feeling drawn to invite people into a different way of thinking about all of this.

And astrology as the breath to focus on is a way of just calibrating to being in a different type of relationship, not only with the astrology, but with our minds and with collective reality.

Well, I mean, I'm hearing.

I guess just checking in with you.

I'm hearing I'm feeling like a segue into, like, how are we thinking about transits?

Am I with you?

Yeah, well, yes.

I tried to start with just, how are Kelsey and Amalia thinking about it?

And then I went on that little.

Totally heresy.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, I think there's also something about looking at one planet that feels like a quiet.

It feels like a hush of the overwhelm of like, oh, my God, all of this stuff is happening.

Everything is bad.

To me, whenever anything is a lot, it ends up feeling kind of net bad.

Even if it's good, even if I hear like, oh, my God, Venus is gonna be in the best place in your house.

And there's 12 days to capital.

I'm like, oh, my God, that's.

That feels bad to me.

That still feels doomy to me.

And so I think there's something about being like, these are beautiful, animate beings.

Let's infuse ourselves in their energy as we look at the world through their eyes for, you know, an hour or two and invite them into presence with us.

That is, to me, so much less overwhelming than thinking about what they are, quote, unquote, doing to us.

And, like, in that sort of linear, doomy script, I suppose.

And, yeah, I think moving into, like, the way that.

Yeah, like, how am I thinking about 2026?

I think that has been true for me many years.

I will say.

I don't generally think of, like.

I relate a lot more to the year beginning with Rosh Hashanah in the fall.

And I also relate to a springtime start.

Like, I think there are many years for.

And few of them start in January.

And I think that's one of the reasons that, like, year ahead things has never, like, exactly tracked.

Because I think it just feels a little stressful to my body when my body doesn't actually resonate with the beginning and end of the year.

And I also think that looking at huge amounts of time, like, that has been.

It's just indigestible.

Yeah, it's been kind of overwhelming.

It's been like, again, from what I was just saying, it feels almost dehumanizing to the planets a little bit.

And therefore, to me, like, for me, if I'm looking at anyone in a way that feels.

Feels dehumanizing to them and therefore dehumanizes me.

Love that, you know, like, how much are we projecting onto the planets when we look at them in this kind of, like.

Yeah, in this disembodied way is kind of what it feels like.

Yeah, totally.

And there's this feeling of, like.

I think what it comes down to, to me is, like, when I notice myself getting really anxious as I'm thinking about upcoming transits.

If I really feel into, like, what is that anxiety about?

It comes back to a desire for control and a feeling that somehow this means that I'm gonna be out of control and thrown into suffering.

And so I think what I'm carrying with me as I'm actually really excited about thinking about the planets and what will.

As I feel myself sort of opening up to, like, wider expanses of time and, like, wondering what the tapestry of time will Feel like as it unfolds.

I think understanding that I'm not reaching to looking for this information for control, I'm looking at it through a lens of how do I relate to these planets and how might they be inviting me in, how might they be speaking to me?

Really feeling into the Pisces Virgo nodes with that Venus exalting in Pisces and relating to it and yeah, something that was really coming through that was so helpful hearing you talk about the overwhelm of it all.

Like the concept of digestion came up for me that I want to talk about.

But also this phrase, the first definition of trauma that I ever heard that really stayed with me.

I just mentioned this on one of my recent episodes of the Mind Games where Budway and I were chatting was from Rachel Sharon, who is one of my first yoga teachers and also a trauma therapist and a co founder of Inner Sense Healing Arts with me.

And she defined trauma as too much too fast.

And yeah, that's always really sat with me and I feel that is very relevant in these times 2026 and beyond and leading up to.

And yeah, just feeling into the Virgo Pisces axis and Pisces is overwhelming because it's everything and it's boundarylessness.

And in order to relate to the all as Venus exalts in Pisces and invites us to, we have to break the all into parts.

We have to be able to digest it.

And to me that is what Virgo does.

It breaks the all the one of Pisces into parts.

And Virgo is connected to the digestive system in the body that takes the thing that we ingest and it literally breaks it into parts so that those parts can go to where they need to be to be digested.

And I think, yeah, using this phrase witness 2026, this kind of a double meaning with witness that we'll get to.

But also I think another way of stating the intention and the invitation is like digest 2026.

Like we're going to digest it all.

Like that's just.

I believe the nature of reality is that like karma is happening, things are unfolding, consciousness is passengering.

There's nothing we can do to stop that.

And what is it to be awake?

What is it to be aware?

Perhaps that has a lot to do with our ability to actually digest what's happening and be with it.

Like if all of this human suffering is par for the course in this moment in time.

And I say that without any intention of being doomy, but today there is suffering today There is violence, sag rising, silver lining, maybe.

But, like, let's make use of it.

Like, let's evolve through it.

Let's digest it.

Because all of this is consciousness experiencing itself.

And so let's not shy away from the experience.

Let's be present with.

Let's assimilate the experience.

And there's many ways to do that.

Part of what I was feeling into when you brought in, like, the overwhelm and that trauma definition was coming up for me, and then digestion was coming up.

I was feeling into.

Like, there's all these different ways that we can filter the overwhelm so that it becomes more digestible for us.

And I think transits are one of them.

Right.

Like, all of this is happening.

Let me focus on my breath.

Let me focus on the moon cycle.

Let me focus on my chart ruler.

Let me focus on my Time Lord as a way to attune, to calibrate, to.

To anchor to a piece of the unfolding so that I can actually digest that piece with intentionality and honesty.

And if I'm digesting one single piece with intentionality and honesty, then, like, everything is happening with intentionality and honesty.

My body, my consciousness, my spirit, my mind will take it all in in kind.

Another anchor is our definition.

Right.

Like, we are both people that are really deep in our human design experiments and very literate with that language and have been very, I don't know, change by the understanding of where we're defined and where we're open and everything that comes with that in our body graphs.

And so, yeah, that was just like, there were a couple things coming through for me as, like, ways to filter through the overwhelm that have to do with intentionality and focus.

And in the case of human design embodiment, too.

Yeah, I think what's coming up for me is something that you said last night, which was the ability to.

It's like, one truth is all truth.

The frequency of truth reverberates.

I'm not gonna say it exactly the way you put it, but it felt so true.

I mean, honestly, what I was thinking as you were just talking was imagining that someone might only tune into one of these 11 episodes.

They might say, okay, Jupiter is my Time Lord.

I'm gonna tune into that.

And if there's information for them there, then that's enough and the episodes will continue.

But I think.

Think using this as a framework more as a metaphor for how you might tune into planets and be like, the truth that you access, that is connected to the wild and that really does speak to the part of the whole.

I love that.

And also on another application, I've been talking a lot lately about holding the frequency right.

And so this is also just interdependence.

Right.

Like the best thing I can do for everyone I'm in relationship with and for the collective as a whole is hone my own frequency and hold my own frequency and attune to that.

And then I become a tuning fork for everyone around me.

And I feel like that is part of what I experimented with in collaboratory and lab partners and quality time is like when I clear my channel.

And I don't even mean like clear my channel as in like get it right, like get it perfectly.

I mean like when I fucking anchor to the present moment, which might include just a bunch of word vomity rambling about what's coming up for me in this moment.

That's a lot of what I've been in experimentation with lately.

That is a practice in getting my mind and my distortion out of the way so that I can be with what's here right now, regardless of what my mind wants to diagnose about that abundance of pathology callback.

And in doing that, like I've gotten to see how that attunement to truth in the moment, however it's showing up for me.

Well, you're tuning like, you're tuning verb as like sometimes that.

Like that.

That talking through that you're talking about is you actively tuning yourself as the tuning fork.

Yes, that too.

It's a tuning fork for others to.

Yeah, yeah, totally.

Yeah.

So like that's interdependence.

Right.

So we're just taking this principle and we're applying it to looking at a planet at a time.

But I love what you're saying about like.

Yeah, it doesn't.

However, people find like every conversation is actually going to be about all of the astrology and like bringing up kind of the potential irrelevance of the calendar year too.

Like, same.

Every conversation about 2026 is also a conversation about all the years before 2026 and all the years after.

Right.

We're just isolating it to focus on something, to have something to attune to.

Yeah.

And I think that's another piece that we were talking about last night that feels really true to me, which is that I think one of the ways so this feels true and I think it may be medicinal to the doominess, which is that when we look at one, we've been talking about looking at just one planet at a Time, as opposed to looking at all the planets and all of the squares, all of the aspects.

But there's also.

Whenever you look at one moment, one planet at a time in the sky, in the place that it is right now, you are tuning yourself to the moment.

You're not just looking at one planet in space.

You're looking at one moment in time for that planet.

All the planets exist within cycles from our perspective on Earth.

And so there's this way where you're like, okay, it might feel a particular way to look at Mars, square Saturn.

Say that's not happening.

But I'm just saying we've experienced that recently, many times.

So when Mars is squaring Saturn, you might say, oh, my God, so much doom, so much bracing, this thing is happening.

But you're looking at that actually in the context of a larger dance between Mars and Saturn.

And we're not necessarily.

We don't have to look at the entire cycle.

Although that can be really helpful to track for yourself, to know that this is one moment in a cycle that is just as much a part of that cycle and how it plays out in your life as the other moments as when they trine each other.

Right.

Or when they sextile each other.

And just like any other moment in your life, if you're, you know, if you have a particular association with a wedding as something happy, the fight that you had six years ago that, you know, somehow led to this was just as important a part of the cycle as the wedding part.

Right.

Weddings are on my mind because I just went to one.

But there's something like that where there's, like, understanding that these moments are also parts of longer cycles.

And that as we're tuning into the specific moments in time, we're also tuning into the cycle.

Yeah.

I'm just thinking about how we don't have to do any of this.

And this, to me, feels like setting up this series and experimenting in this way with talking about astrology.

To me, it feels like my current way of just embracing the third dimension is like, all right, well, I need some kind of parameter to play within an incarnation.

An anchor.

An anchor.

Yeah.

Anchor for the wideness of truth.

Yeah, Parts of the whole, man.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

Is this a good moment to just talk about?

Let's just talk about.

We'll start with you.

And just your approach.

That's already come in a lot, but.

Yeah.

Is there anything you want to share about, like.

Yeah, you as an astrologer or your relationship to human design right now, which I know you're kind of in a renegotiation way.

Yeah, Yeah.

I mean, I, I think.

I don't know.

I won't say like anything descriptive necessarily, but I can, I can speak about my relationships.

This is.

Yeah, obviously the way I'm answering this question is just going to tell you the answer, but the.

The way that I am in this moment, like, I. I consider these systems that I use and other systems that I work with as well as very.

They're.

They're all glasses, you know, they're like relational lenses.

And they feel like languages to me.

They feel like worlds, they feel like gods.

And so my relationship with them shifts like it does with anything.

And right now I'm really interested in.

My solar return is leading me into a Jupiter year.

And I'm already just feeling the.

I'm feeling quite Jupiterian fun.

Nice.

Yeah, welcome, welcome.

Lots of Saturn can use the Jupiter, but yeah, cycles are feeling really exciting.

I'm really interested in like.

Yeah, I'm just feeling more spacious in my ability to hold wider cycles.

Yeah, it feels relational in a way that feels really exciting and expansive and spacious to me and less tight than I think sometimes this desire to kind of know can feel.

And one of the ways that that's feeling.

I think this also feels related to what I was just saying about the moments in time.

But there's something about.

I feel really in this moment in friendship with my future selves.

And there's a way in which.

I mean, perhaps this is just because of my 3D circumstances, which have been interesting and a little wild consistently in this season.

And so I think it's really.

The constriction of this moment has really just like a huge resource that is here for me is being able to hold hands with my future self at other moments in the way and in time.

And so of course, that's me holding hands with that version of myself from wherever they are and just feeling into.

I don't need to know where they are.

I just know that they're somewhere different.

And I know that I'm both here and there.

That feels very present in my relationship with these wider cycles.

Perhaps that's what's helping me lean into and appreciate and invite in the wisdom of cyclical truth.

So that's a lot of how I'm relating to astrology right now.

I am very, very.

The animate world is very alive to me.

And so that's also very.

Like you've already heard me speak about this a little bit.

But for me, devotional relational astrology really resonates.

These planets really do feel like beings.

I talk to them and I pray to them and I feel like I look for them in my world and I see them in my world.

And that's here too.

Feels like.

Like prayerful friendship that I try to engage in.

And yeah, I think that's a lot.

That's a lot of my work too.

And I think the other thing that just feels true in this moment for both human design and astrology that I've been playing with and the readings I've been giving is that I think a way that I've been playing with or what is emerging as a way that I give readings and it's teaching me the way that I relate to in this moment, to these systems is that it's not like when I look to them or I look to a chart and attempt to translate it, I'm bored and kind of stuck into it.

Flattens my.

It feels like a 2D ness.

But when I look to them and I kind of.

It's like I ask and then I don't.

I'm playing with this method of sort of asking but trying not to hear the answer.

Sort of like, it's like it's in the asking of the questions.

It's in the gazing at the charts or at the stars.

That's where the connection is being made.

And then instead of listening so hard for what's the answer, I just kind of allow it to move through me.

And what it's feeling like in readings recently is that I'm almost looking at charts like tarot cards, instead of it being like, this is what this means, and this is what that means, and this is what's happening.

It's kind of like I look, I try to take it all in and then I almost close my eyes and then I'm like, It's like access to my channel rather than I'm divining, I'm allowing them to move through me and open my channel rather than I'm specifically trying to translate something I'm really feeling.

Into Pisces right now in this share.

And your Pisces moon opposite your natal Jupiter in Virgo.

And my nodes and the nodes there and the transiting nodes and Saturn finishing up its last little retrograde dip into Pisces.

And like, okay, let's see.

Okay, so I'm feeling into like this is a stream of thought that I think originated in my own process of understanding and regulating the inevitable experience of projection.

As a fifth line was like, but.

But I've Come to see it now as, like, just one of the inherent laws of reality that I think is Pisces is a good anchor for understanding.

Okay, let me try to talk about the thing that's actually coming up in my process of navigating projection and, like, excavating shame in myself.

There was a breakthrough moment I had where I, like, wanted to look at when people have these negative projections of me where I'm the villain or I'm bad or I'm disappointing or have done something ethically or morally wrong.

Why is that a threat?

Threat in my own system?

And how can I work with the honest awareness that that perspective coming from outside of me feels like a threat to my own system?

And in that line of questioning, part of what I came to for myself is that if everything possible, it has or is happening, which according to my understanding of consciousness and reality is a truth, then their projection and my worst fears of who I could be and who I might be and my badness are all true.

And so can I just accept that?

Can I accept the timeline or the dimension or the version of reality where I am bad in this specific way?

And, yeah, that's not like, you know, easier said than done, but also, that was a breakthrough moment for me, like, arriving to that way of conceptualizing it, because, yeah, if I can accept that, then it stops becoming as visceral of a threat to my system.

If I stop rejecting that possibility in myself, then the fact that others opinions or perspectives of me hold that possibility doesn't feel so horrible.

And okay, so that was.

That's maybe not incredibly directly relevant to this conversation, but I'm feeling into that now.

Like, that feels very Paschean to me.

And I'm feeling into that now on, like, a collective level.

I'm thinking about how, yeah, that part of me is God too, and thinking about how, yeah, this particular unfolding of the collective consciousness where Donald Trump is the president and ICE is doing horrible racist things and murdering, quote, innocent civilians in, quote, just because the, you know, they shouldn't be murdering or shouldn't be, quote, murdering or harming or othering anyone.

But.

Right, so as all of this is happening, can I, as an individual and can we, as a collective of shift slowly and slowly, especially on the collective level, towards, like, this is God too.

This is God too.

Can we accept even this reality, can we accept even this unfolding as consciousness experiencing itself?

And I think it's, like, really hard for the mind to do that, because when locked into duality and when locked into the hamster wheel of the mind.

Accepting it as God, too, sounds like it's indicative of accepting it as okay on the mundane level, but I'm talking about something outside of duality.

And so, yeah, I think, like, part of this feels like part of my intention.

It's how I organically have come to relate to transits and collective reality unfolding as a reflection of those transits is like.

It doesn't.

No, it doesn't have to be this way, but it is this way right now.

And the quicker that we as individuals and eventually as society are able to accept that, the more quickly we are able to digest it as the reality that is irrefutably here in this moment.

And that is what allows consciousness to experience itself to fullness, to completion, and then move on to the next thing.

I have no idea how I got here, but I do think I got where I wanted to go, but I can't remember why I wanted to go here.

I mean, to me, it brings us into witnessing.

Like, I think to me, it's like, what.

What are we doing by building.

Building the strength to witness what's coming through is this feeling of it's just here.

What is happening is here.

And so, again, what is within our control.

What is within our control.

And therefore, I would say responsibility, sponsored by six Capricorn placements, is to be able to witness, right?

Not 100% of the time.

That doesn't mean.

And also to witness, just to be clear, doesn't mean.

Keep Fox News on wit.

Like, no, I'm saying, like, witness reality as it's unfolding in its Piscean everythingness.

Like, witness when joy floats through your system.

Witness when fear does, Witness when grief does.

What is the feeling within your own body as you open your eyes or your senses and your pores to what is unfolding around you?

And I think, you know, regardless of your emotional definition, what is moving through you.

Like, there's so much alchemy to be had in presence.

And that to me is like, that is our responsibility.

That is our potential, that is our possibility.

Is like, what is within our own field.

What is here, right?

Like, it's not what is, like, quote, unquote out there.

It's what's within my own sphere, which usually is.

Is, yeah, it's an emotion, or it's a reaction or it's a response, or it's a memory.

And to be able to witness that is to be able to alchemize that and then to be available for the next thing.

To me, being available for the next thing.

And the next thing is is synonymous with being consistently present as present as I'm able to be.

And also it' like I think to be present is to be able to be usher in the like big next thing too.

You know, like the multiplicity of next things like our availability to actually do that differently than now is to alchemize what is here now for us, within us.

And I think that that is what is so exciting to me about witnessing each other and witnessing ourselves and witnessing the planets through us.

Yeah, gorgeous.

Like in looking outside there's like don't stop there is my wish.

It's like don't stop at the looking outside.

What is happening within you when you look outside?

How does this fragment of consciousness that is you embodied in this moment meet whatever is happening?

That's the work that's little preview.

And also retroactive look back at Saturn in Aries as a quality of this year.

The most local in the moment spontaneous way individuated unique differentiated way of relating is the task is the responsible task for this Saturn Aries transit.

I also think I keep writing this down and then forgetting to circle back to it that I think part of what we're talking about this kind of other.

It's interesting because there's a.

It's seeming contradiction between like how can you be so with what's happening here, what it brings up in your system because that's the scope where you have agency is to meet it honestly in whatever way it's hitting your system.

There's this like contradiction almost with what I feel like is the Aquarian prerogative in the Aquarian way of experiencing reality which is from this sort of detached outside of it place.

And I'm hoping to have most of these conversations during Aquarius season because I like the idea of the support of from the outside looking in from this kind of detached place looking at it because I think there is a level of like detachment can allow us it's neutrality really Detachment, neutrality perspective.

I think it can present as detachment neutrality but it's also just an alternative perspective on things.

Looking at it from this dimension outside of where the drama of it is all unfolding can actually free us to be able to be more present and honest with the locality of how it's being experienced in each of our unique forms.

Maybe there's some Aquarius, Aries, Sextile there.

But yeah, I'm just kind of circling back to some of my intention and yeah if we think about the astrological New Year as one of the possibly more resonant meaningful start points for time.

For some people then.

Yeah, looking at the Aquarius as like the closing sextile of the previous year.

This outsider perspective, this less touched in perspective as a way of setting us up for a more localized experience of the present as the year begins in Aries season.

Yeah, just connecting some dots that feel like they go with my intention for this series.

Hold on, there's.

Oh, okay.

Another thing that's really been coming up, which is one of the things I wanted to maybe touch on is there's so much that both you and I are talking about that feels.

And you've named a couple things directly already, but.

But that feels very much like I can feel the influence of the global cycle shift both in terms of it's just happening and also because I know we both have studied it as well.

But yeah, we keep talking so much about presence and the now is one of the new keys moving forward and it's replacing skills.

So gate 20 becomes a key for the lock, the pattern, where in the cross of planning for the last 400 and some years, the key to that lock was gate 16 skills.

And so I'm even seeing that so much in what we're talking about.

We're not really trying to translate a natal chart or a transit chart or predict.

Right.

For you and I, predictive astrology is not the point.

And I don't know, this might be a little bit of an overgeneralization, but I'm kind of feeling into predictive astrology as a whole being kind of a 16 skills thing.

The person who can read this language trades 3740 bargains.

This skill versus what we're doing now.

The way that we described, the way that you described your experience of looking at a chart and kind of closing your eyes, that's what launched me.

Okay, I'm remembering the connection now.

That's what launched me into my little fifth line experiment thing.

Piscian thing.

Of all the timelines are true, which one's here now?

Right.

And can I accept all of them instead of repressing them so that I can just be present with what's showing up in my system?

This threat of this perspective, right, that feels like shifting from the pattern, organizing our thoughts, our timelines, our behavior from I'm the astrologer, I speak this language.

Let me tell the people what's going to happen with my skill set, with my mastery to I'm the astrologer, I speak this language.

Let me utilize this language to be more honest with myself about what's here in the present and calibrate myself and calibrate listeners to truth as it shows up in the next.

Now, I was feeling into that key change a little bit.

I notice in myself a lot that I kind of have a sense of.

I'm either talking about astrology right now, or I'm talking about human design right now.

And I have a sense, whether it's correct or not, of which one my audience wants to hear about in that particular moment.

And then if it's an astrology audience, I'll often censor the human design part.

And if it's a human design audience, it doesn't feel like censorship on the astrology part, but it's like I will kind of just like try to brush it aside because I don't want to overwhelm the human design people with this other language.

But a lot of people who resonate with my voice and my work are people who enjoy incorporating both in ways.

And I have kind of taken a step back, I think, just not intentionally, just organically from looking at time, big picture time, through astrology explicitly.

It's there, it's happening, it's part of the map, it's some of the cosmic goggles that I wear.

So it's there.

But I'm more focused in recent years on looking at it through the lens of the 2027 cycle change.

Because that is just, yeah, really prominent and really to the point and really relevant.

And so, yeah, that's another thing I'm curious about in this little mini project here is.

Is I don't know how much 2027 stuff is gonna organically come up because the focus of each conversation is a planet.

And so, you know, I've created a structure to play with astrology at the forefront.

But I am excited to, even if it's just my own permission giving, I am excited to like, not brush aside or apologize for using human design and actually really invite any references that wanna come up from what other people have observed in these eight key changes as well into the conversation.

So I don't know how much I'll actually talk about it, but I am stating for myself that I'm going to feel very free to bring that in to whatever extent I want.

And when I'm speaking to an astrologer who I know has studied it as well, I think I intend to just talk about it candidly without feeling like I need to explain the whole mechanics of global cycles just to be able to say we're shifting from 40 to 59 and kind of just name that in passing as part of the other.

Like use it as another technology that's adding to this process of distilling to energetic unfolding in the now.

So I wanted to be able to say all of that.

So thank you for receiving it.

Amalia and listeners.

But also the answer to this can be no.

I can feel this is desire showing up to try to stick to some maybe unnecessary agenda.

But I'm wondering if you are interested in speaking at all to your relationship to that part, part of human design.

It has already come through, you know.

Yeah, yeah.

It feels so.

Yeah, yeah.

I think my relationship to it is really embodied.

Like, I think I feel myself like I.

This is another answer to the earlier question of my approach.

And it's also like, you know, an answer to the earlier, earlier question of like my, My.

My setup, which includes personal view.

And so I think for me, my own body is always a.

That's my map for understanding what's happening in the world, what's happening in the sky.

It's all I got.

And so for me, that's how, you know, there.

There is also the context that I'm the cross of the Sphinx.

And so those gates are very present in the shift.

And you know, there's like so many different lenses we can use and they feel all here and right now.

So much of how I'm understanding 2027 shifts and watching them happen is through my own experience.

So I've, you know, I've studied, I've studied the 2027 stuff.

I've taken your class.

I. I know the gates, you know, things come up here and there.

There's also rightness here in the ways that I'm like somewhere in me is all of the mechanics of it.

But I'm not constantly thinking about the mechanics.

I'm really observing shifts.

The way that I watch them move through me and what it feels like to me too.

It's like it's happening alongside my ever present deconditioning.

Right.

So I'm.

There's also stuff that's like.

Who can say, right?

It's all.

It's.

I am evolving along with us evolving.

And I think a lot of what I notice is, yeah, I notice intimacy shifting.

I notice the way that I'm like more easily able to kind of crystallize into like presence.

Like intimacy does feel like intimacy and presence in some ways feeling kind of whatever the word is, like inexchangeable or exchange.

They are.

Right.

That's part of the mechanics for A moment that's part of the mechanics is the geometrical relationship of these two crosses with each other.

And if we've got the intimacy in the 59, it is a part of the geometrical configuration that the 20, the presence, the now also belongs to.

Thank you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I feel that so much.

And I think who I'm present with and the frequencies of the people that I'm surrounded with and feeling the networks and the systems of who are on my list of my networks or my classes or my people, this stuff is falling away.

And my life has really, really shifted into just being kind of like right now.

What are the kind of throbbing neurons?

If you're like imagining that kind of who, like what are the.

What are the lit up points?

And like just orienting to that.

And that's one way that I feel it's shifting.

I also, I think something that feels.

This is the part that feels like around deconditioning for me.

So I don't have a clear read on whether this is collective or not.

But for me I feel myself shifting a lot into non verbal, like a desire and a comfort with more nonverbal communication and.

And again with an undefined throat.

There's like an element of deconditioning present in that.

But I think there's something for me of being like less is more and reaching less for processing through words and more through like embodied processing.

And I feel my senses coming alive in different ways.

Like my relationship to music.

Like I've been a musician my whole life, but my relationship to music and not just the way I make it, but like the way I receive it.

And like my own voice and the acoustics of my own voice feel different to me and like more vibrant and like more like there's like a different vibrational quality that I feel to the world and all of these things to me.

Like I again, I've like maybe distractingly keep mentioning like a hundred different systems that they're lighting up for me.

But like, there's just a knowing for me that I'm like, this is 2027 stuff.

Like this is the stuff moving through me.

And I did want to say this thing which is that like, as we say, you know, the human design is over here and the astrology is over here.

To me I'm like 2027.

And the predictions around 2027, the shifts to me, I'm like they were never separate from the fact that the planets were also always gonna move this way.

Right?

And so all of these huge transits that we're experiencing this year and in the coming years.

Those are all helping us usher us into these new eras and new shifts like Uranus.

That's not.

When has Uranus ever been like a byproduct, you know, like that's not casual, I guess, is what I mean to say.

Like when Uranus shifts, we feel it.

Yeah.

So I think those are some things.

Some things a nonlinear sort of blob formation.

Yeah.

Like the trans Saturnian planets and what they have brought into the astrology observational practice are synonymous with the technology that human design as this map of the shift into the nine centered being is.

Yeah.

And it's like the distinction isn't about which modality you're using.

We were just this morning Viatex making fun of people who use 7 centeredness as an insult.

And let me go ahead and say the distinction is about are you coming at it from this seven centered reality stops at what can be measured Saturnian lens, at what can be named Saturn, Mercury sort of lens, at what can be tangibly felt.

That's like seven centered.

That's mental, that's dogmatic, that is reductive.

Or are you welcoming in with minimal, with less resistance, these more subtle capacities that we have as beings who are evolving hardware for consciousness and spirit to move through and experience itself, which people who study human design might describe as like being a nine centered being or especially modern psychological evolutionary astrologers might describe as having access to these trans Saturnian planets.

Chiron is the bridge and Uranus, Neptune, Pluto.

Yeah.

It's not about which modalities can offer us the right map.

It's about how are we engaging with that modality which.

Yeah.

One thing that I haven't mentioned explicitly, that I don't see an exact connection here, but it's part of it.

And I just want to name it because I wanted to include this concept on this intro conversation as well.

Is like one of the new keys is 55 the spirit, which is replacing 37 the family as the way.

And you know, I can and have spoken for hours about that explicitly.

But what I want to mention right now is just like in my exploration of 55 and what it represents and what it is and its relevance in the human experience overall and also specifically in this moment of the unfolding is for me it has become synonymous with the concept of passenger consciousness or self reflective consciousness.

And the idea of the whole point of incarnation being consciousness is here to experience itself.

And that every iteration of potential consciousness experiencing itself has to happen.

It is A Pisces gate that feels really relevant to my.

Maybe, like less.

I don't know, it is kind of.

I was gonna say less explicit intentions.

But it does feel like one of my explicit intentions.

And I do have.

In my design, I have gate 25, which is the lock for the Way.

So in the past, I have been as a holder of gate 25 in my own G center.

I've been a conditioner of hey world.

The Way is the family.

Like, we combine in these communities and these family units.

We are parts of a whole.

And I'll still be that because I carry the 3740.

But I feel myself more and more transitioning into being, you know, the Way.

Like being a spiritual influence teacher for the new way, which is no longer about these bargains and community primarily.

It's now about, hey, we're here for consciousness.

We're here to be conduits for consciousness experiencing itself.

And I just.

Yeah, I just really feel that explicitly informing how I'm showing up as a person who's talking about transits astrologically and a person who's talking about the unfolding of consciousness via these global cycle shifts marked in 2027 is like.

Like, I always picture the Ace of cups with 55.

Like, you're here to have a full emotional experience.

The one you're having.

That's the one you're here to have in this present moment.

And again, 55 being a part of this geometry where the 59 authenticity and intimacy and the 20 is present and the 34 personal power and all of it.

Do you want to explain more about, like, you just riffed a little bit on 55, but I'm curious if you want to explain for listeners more, Unless maybe you've already done this in previous episodes.

I didn't hear, but, like, why you specifically call it passenger consciousness?

Like, can you help us cross that bridge a little bit?

I think I have already done it, but only in that 2027 class, which is a whole thing.

I don't know.

It's so ingrained for me now that I'm not sure if I can.

But, yeah, just my intuitive connection to that gate and my studied connection to that gate and what I retained as relevant about that gate intuitively through my study of it when I was studying it specifically for the purposes of more deeply integrating understanding and sharing the 2027 study stuff.

I guess I should also mention 55 is my personality north node.

So I also have a very just like, intuitive personal connection to that gate.

But yeah, what really stayed with me about that gate.

And the lesson of it and the gift of it is I also have the 39, 55.

What the 39 is provoking is an honest experience of whatever is emotionally present.

So allowing coming back to overwhelm, like allowing your system to be so overwhelmed by the emotional experience that's here that you then are able to move through it.

Right.

And so yeah, maybe rather than try to explain linearly how I got there, I'll just point out that that concept has been present throughout this whole conversation.

Right.

Like I have brought that in several times and we've danced on that together.

I think I've been talking a lot lately about like, so Pluto right now is in my third Aquarius.

And before Pluto was there I had a long period with Saturn there.

And I just talked about this a bunch with Candace on the last episode of Quality Time.

I've been really reflecting on how a of lot, lot of the last bit of my life, a lot of what I've had to look at, especially with Saturn moving through Aquarius for me, which is now in the past, but I'm still integrating is like taking a hard look at my unconscious habits and thoughts and patterns and seeing where they were there for me to avoid the truth of whatever my system was facing and integrating in that moment.

And just looking at these patterns of repressions and suppressions and distraction.

And I'm applying what I learned on the individual level with all of that compulsive, habituated patterns of repression, of dishonesty.

Because what my body's actually feeling, which is what my soul actually wants my body to be experiencing, is too uncomfortable or according to my mind, too bad or shameful to face.

I'm now like, after a long period of looking at that on the individual localized level, I'm now seeing the pattern of that, that on the large scale.

And I'm seeing so much of the dis.

Ease and violence that we experience as a collective, that we are experiencing as a collective to be a byproduct of that repression happening.

So yeah, I'm not answering the question in any linear way, but that is, yeah, that's a lot of the connections I see between 55 and just like, hey, we're just self reflected consciousness.

None of it is bad, some of it is painful, some of it is violent.

There are certainly fucked up power dynamics present.

And all of this is shit that consciousness wants to experience.

And so let us experience it and let us witness it and let us be with it and let us digest it.

So that the cosmic soup of oneness can have the experience and move on.

And all of that feels very 55 to me.

Yeah, I have a sense of, like, the last couple things to bring in and kind of wrap it up, but just informing that so that you don't feel any pressure to go in any direction.

But if you have things you want to bring in, please do.

No, I think I'm still sitting.

I'm kind of swimming in what you just shared.

I think there was, like.

You know, I think this doesn't feel consecutive in terms of being necessarily related, but I think this was something that I think maybe the next.

I mean, actually, I think we are gonna talk about more specifically Ascendant Assemblies.

Yeah, maybe I'll bring this in there, but I think there's other pieces.

There's pieces that have to do with collaboratory and also just the value of alchemizing verbally with people and how that can expedite this process of moving on to the next thing.

So I think that feels present with me, but maybe we can get into that with Ascendant Assemblies.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So one thing I'm wanting to mention, too, is that it's so funny.

This is such an example of me being in my head and therefore reality meeting what's in my head.

But.

But, like, nobody out there has been like, kelsey, stop talking about 2027.

We don't get it, you know?

But in my head, I'm like, I have a responsibility to not talk about it unless I've supplied people with the tools to be able to understand what I'm saying.

And I have.

And yet I still feel this sense of like.

So anyways, just in working with that.

That obsessive thought in my head, I want to offer that I do have.

So Jessa and I taught a very, very comprehensive class called 2027.

The breakdown.

That's, like, so beautiful.

Thank you.

It's, like, six parts, and, yeah, I think quite good.

Very extremely comprehensive, definitely for people who feel lit up by this and want to understand it thoroughly and not for everyone.

And so for those for whom that's not for.

I did also teach, like, a 2027, 101.

The very basics where I just describe, what are the locks and keys?

What's happening?

How does this connect to the astrology and the zodiac?

What is it physically in the sky that we're talking about?

Because I think it's so in depth, the 2027 stuff, that it's very easy to get overwhelmed and just be like, no, I can't look at that.

What even is it?

And when people start to reference it without it being rooted and grounded in, like, what physically, astronomically, actually is it that we're looking at, it starts to feel really prophetic and disembodied.

And so in teaching the course with Jessa and in offering this little, even more digestible, smaller version of it, I was really wanting to ground it in reality so people could connect it in an embodied way through their own system, through their own understanding.

So I also have a workshop shop on the Patreon that anyone at any of the tiers can stream that goes into, yeah, the basics of it.

So that it would at least be these references that I have made that you have made on this call and that will continue to get made will be digestible.

So I wanted to point that out and then.

Yes.

So Ascendant Assemblies.

Several years ago, I casually started meeting with other SAG Risings who I found on the Internet.

I think I was just like, yeah, I was digesting the intensity of the South Node eclipses in my first house.

That was a really tumultuous, challenging time for me.

And I saw so much of what I was experiencing in that transit and in other transits.

And I was like, wait a minute, I need a SAG Rising group who's experiencing these transits in similar ways.

I just want to talk about it with a other SAG Risings.

And I think I just like tweeted about it and it's like one of the coolest experiences of my whole life was that what became years long meetings with fellow SAG Risings.

And at a certain point I was like, this is too valuable to not exist for everyone.

And so I pulled in a handful of other astrologers and we started for a period of time offering it through the name Ascendant Assembly.

It was just too behemoth of a task to manage alone because there's 12 rising signs.

That was like 12 groups of people.

And we did meetings every other month.

So it was like six meetings a month.

And it was really cool.

But it was too much.

It was too big of a thing.

And so I wanted to resurrect it this year, but I'm going to do it in a much more post my Saturn Return Discerning Digestible way, which is quarterly.

We're gonna be meeting by Elemental Rising Signs.

So instead of just SAG Risings, there will be a call for all Fire Risings.

So Aries Risings and Leo Risings will be able to join us all the Earth risings will meet together.

All the air risings, all the water risings.

And if you're already astrologically literate and work with whole sign houses, the relevance of the that is already going to be obvious to you.

If you're newer ish to whole sign houses or to astrology transits in general.

I'll briefly explain that the houses kind of work in these groupings.

And if you have Earth rising, so you're a Taurus, Virgo or Capricorn rising, then the houses that kind of speak to you and your identity are gonna be 1, 5, and 9, and they all are gonna be Earth signs.

And then the houses that speak to your relationship to work and money and your career and responsibility are gonna be 2, 6, and 10.

Okay, I'm doing chart math in my head.

And they're all gonna be air, is that right?

Yeah, they're all gonna be air signs.

And so, for example, as Uranus moves out of Taurus and into Gemini for all of us this year, all air risings are going to experience a shift from Uranus being in the sort of like watery spiritual places into the self identity places.

All Earth Rising are experiencing Uranus moving from the identity places into the money Earth realm places.

So you can gain a lot from just talking to and hearing from what other people have witnessed in their own process of these planetary bodies shifting in orientation.

So that's kind of like the wide zoomed geometrical purpose of it.

And yeah, Amalia is going to co facilitate those with me this year.

And yeah, I'll probably want to share more logistical details, but I'll pause there because you were already in flow with some conceptual stuff.

Is it still here?

Is it in the room?

Yeah, I think so.

I think I just like there's both the value in like seeing your experience mirrored by others.

Unlike we all know whether it's in a painting or a poem or it's someone literally saying something, or it's tuning into Kelsey and having Kelsey heretically say the thing that you're like.

I didn't even realize I was feeling that.

And now because I heard it, I can let it go and move on to the next thing.

There's just the things that.

Yeah, the things that move us to tears.

Like being moved.

Being moved facilitates movement and yeah, I'm really excited to be.

I mean, groups are like everything I love and I'm interested in.

I'm just really exciting to help facilitate witnessing each other and in witnessing each other, like witnessing deeper ourselves.

Yeah, I think it's like Kind of wild how fast?

I think we're always alchemizing in different ways.

But if you're someone that's interested in being conscious to all the alchemy that's happening, so that you can really watch it with your conscious eyes, what's moving past you as you're moving through it?

I think the process of talking and hearing others talk about what we are experiencing really intensely as the sky moves along can, yeah, really expedite the process of getting privy to what is actually going on within us.

Yeah, I think it's going to be like, I mean, of course, we're human beings, and magic is always at play.

And so you don't need to be in a special group of just people with your elemental rising to tune into Kelsey, for example, and again, be moved.

But I think specifically when you, like as we were talking about with collaboratory, when there's this sort of curation aspect, there's, like kind of cutting the excess feeling or like a concentrated feeling of, like, wow, the resonance in here is gonna be strong.

And like, what is it to tap in quarterly at these moments that are already magnetized by the world, the passing of time, These are gonna be solstice oriented or equinox oriented.

So times will already be intense.

And then we concentrate even more the vibrational effect of being with your elemental rising, and you get to just tap into this super magnetized, super concentrated realm of resonance.

And there's an almost ceremonial aspect to me of being able to drop into that space and even if you yourself don't say anything, to really be able to tune into yourself in a way that hopefully really facilitates your movement through this year.

Yeah, it's really like coming full circle to some of the stuff you brought in.

Early on, I was responding to some of what you said around the overwhelm with this idea of, yeah, trauma is too much too fast.

So what about when we actually give ourselves the focal points, the filters to be able to digest what we can, and then the too muchness, too fast of it isn't just trauma.

It can actually become resource for the evolution of oneself and of the collective.

I mentioned focusing on a specific planet can be a helpful filter focal point, like the breath and a meditation.

Our definition from a human design standpoint, our strategy, our authority, these are all ways to filter the too muchness of reality as it moves through our subjective, localized system.

And I'm now coming full circle to ascendant assemblies and elemental rising sign groups is another way of doing that.

That attuning to the everything unfolding with people for whom that overwhelming everything hits the subjective locality of your experience in a similar way, in a way that is geometrically resonant with.

And yeah, there is this, like, I remember for me, you know, because I am an external processor mercury in Aries motorized throat.

Like, for me, a lot of that was about, like, let me metabolize through my throat, my process.

And that was part of the witnessing that was really useful.

Which is not dissimilar from like this conversation that's happening where I'm like, I have some things that I want to say and inform.

I need someone to do that with me.

I need someone to have that conversation with me.

But also like you're saying, you don't even have to be there live necessarily, like.

And you don't have to share anything either, because you are already the perfect antenna for your unique experience.

But then when you hear someone else who's experiencing it like turned 30 degrees or something, and then, you know, through their uniqueness as well.

So it's different.

There's like a. Yeah, refinement that is available to how you're perceiving your own experience.

And it can get more specific and it can get even more attuned and it can get even more filtered.

And that was part of what I thought was really magical about Ascendant assemblies when we were doing.

It was like the shares that other SAG Risings had or when I would sit in on or facilitate Leo and Aries Risings with ones even just my partner's a Leo Rising.

So even just like watching the way that we're kind of having similar experiences but turned a little bit when I understand his more clearly, I can then shift it and understand my own experience with even more nuance.

This thing is coming up for me too, that just wants to be said, I think, which is like, I don't know, like thinking about attunement in a relational framework, like thinking about the nervous system and attachment work for those who or whatever, you know, use that as a framework.

Like, I think it's like, I mean, attunement can mean so many things in attachment.

But I'm thinking about the ways that, like, for me with a partner, for example, I'm like, what helps me through emotional experience or through grief?

Not someone fixing a problem, but someone being attuned to me as I'm with my experience.

And then it doesn't matter what the experience is.

I don't need them to fix something.

I don't need anything else.

I just want to attune to their nervous system want that feeling of us, like holding hands through the experience together.

Because there's that intimacy and there's that co regulation and the partnership through it.

And all of a sudden in that reaching of the hand, right, in the togetherness of that experience, we move through it and the thing is now shifted.

And I'm thinking about the value of that also.

You know, there's also an element to that, right?

Of being like, you're not just here for the good times, you're also here for all the times.

And now I'm thinking about the planets and the friendship I was talking about and this feeling of being like we don't only in my devotional relationship to the planets, I'm interested in being with Venus in all of her faces and all of her ways.

And so there's something to gathering in this quarterly way that's about saying to the planets, I'm with you in all the ways.

Many planets will go through detrimented or difficult aspects this year.

This is speaking to the doominess, right?

And so it's like, how do we be with these planets and see how they are being with us through all of the ways, right?

And then with each other in attuning to each other and helping us attune to planets, to each other and therefore to ourselves.

That experience of being with each other through all of the ways, that just feels again, it's like we might think that we want control or we want ease or we want.

But like really, I think we often our nervous systems in these like animal bodies, we actually really want attunement.

We want the comfort of feeling tracked and tracking.

And so I think there's something like, there's a nod through these gatherings of like, let's track each other, let's be with ourselves and be with each other.

Be with the planets.

Yeah, I was getting like in that last piece.

We want presence.

Yeah.

Authenticity.

We want actual intimacy which relies on presence and authenticity.

The co regulation of it all.

There's this other piece that's connected to what you're saying, but kind of like, like taking what you're talking about with like the co regulation and the witnessing in like not necessarily one to one, but these more contained ways.

And I'm thinking this is not baked, but I'm seeing a connection to like collective evolution here too.

And like I think part of what's been happening, part of what I'm starting to see happen in the spaces that I inhabit and curate and initiate and gather people in like Collaboratory like the things that are happening in the solarium, in the altar, in the orbit field, on my Patreon is like we're going out into the world and we're having these experiences that are multidimensional where we're like, we are getting to know ourselves better, we are learning.

Like our nervous system capacities are growing, we're learning to resource safety, we're learning to regulate, we're learning to accept, we're learning to surrender.

And also so all of these horrible things according to duality are happening in the world and increasing.

And how do I hold the contradictory nature of that in my system?

And so part of what I think and observe and believe and contextualize is that this dichotomy of experience, the seeming contradictions of like, I'm somehow like healing and integrating and deconditioning and cultivating more peace in my life, while also the world seems to be falling apart.

Like that's a quality of what it is to be alive in a human body at this time.

And that to me is deeply connected to how consciousness is evolving right now.

And we might not understand exactly how, how that contradiction living inside of our bodies is leading to where humanity's going from a mental linear sense, but I know it is.

And so I think like another thing that's happening in these groups that I'm a part of and that I'm cultivating and curating ascendant assemblies, being one of them is it's like an opportunity to attune with people who are consciously.

I love the words you use, like conscious alchemy in 2026.

Like, who are consciously moving through the collective reality without denying the pain and the hardship of it, but also without completely falling hopeless victim to it like that.

I think that's one of the things that I'm starting to see.

I'm like shivering and I think it's cause I'm cold, but I don't know, but it might be something else, feeling tense.

And I think it's just a temperature thing, but I don't know.

That is like one of the things that I think, like I'm seeing I have a blind spot to my own naturalness and value around.

And so I'm starting to see more and more the value of like collecting, gathering people together who are conscious.

Yeah.

Who are conscious.

Who are like integrated both as a human on the dualistic 3D plane and otherwise.

And so I think that's part of also, also to try to state it shortly like a part of the value of these Ascendant assemblies group is like being around other people and being conditioned by other people who are maybe navigating reality in ways that you don't have a whole lot of examples and evidences of.

Yeah, it's in some ways, like the loneliness.

I was gonna say, like, it's lonely.

It's like getting lonelier, but that's not true at all.

Like, that doesn't feel true at all.

The loneliness just change, changes, and everything else is changing.

And so I think it does feel fair, I think, to say it's getting weirder.

And so I think as it gets weirder, I don't know.

You know, I, Like, Can I interject?

Yeah.

There's something.

There's something interesting there for me.

Like, I do.

Like, I do resonate with.

It's getting lonelier.

Like, weirder.

Yes.

I do also feel like.

Like the more that I move down this path that I can't help but be on, the more isolated I do feel.

Yeah.

According to my historical conceptualizations of what it is to feel connected to people.

Yeah.

And this feels baked into how I understand consciousness currently evolving through our individual systems is like the.

This way of connecting with each other where we're no longer.

Longer this Pluto in Aquarius.

We're no longer trying to have the same experience.

Rather, we are isolating into our own subjective experiences.

Sagittarius, Aries, Sextile to Aquarius, so that we can be more present in the moment with whatever each of us is individually digesting.

And then there's this, like, that bell hooks quote comes to mind of, like, when we can allow ourselves to be with other people without using them as a means of escape.

I forget the second part of the quote.

Literally, like, yeah, it just brings.

It's so.

Ugh.

Yeah.

It's like we're learning a different way of being in relationship with each other that is not codependent.

Right.

And is also like, yes, codependent.

And all the baggage of that, but also just cross of planning that just, like, is.

We're no longer the.

The.

The game of consciousness is lo.

No longer about compromise and calibrating to each other on a 3D level.

So build something greater than ourselves.

Now it's about individual awakening.

And so as each of us embraces that in our own process, in our own system, we are going to feel more removed from old ways of relating.

And that is really isolating and lonely.

But I think, like, part of what a lot of us experienced in Collaboratory was everything that scares me about embracing that, even though I don't feel that I have a choice but to embrace it.

Because it's what our bodies keep showing us is.

The only thing that they're going to resource us for is this individual awakening and self resourcing and self responsibility.

I'm speaking a little bit hyperbolically right now, and I think what a lot of us got to see in collaboratory is like, even I can do that.

It's actually safe for me to do that.

And while I may lose a sense of connectivity and relational security that I think I want, there's a whole different version of connectivity and relational security that's available to me through this portal.

So it is.

It's like, yes, more isolated.

Yes.

More lonely.

But then a whole world opens up to what it can mean to be me in relationship and me in connection in this new way.

And I think to me, I'm like.

It's like the glue is changing, you know, like, it's not like now, before you were together and now you were alone.

That's like.

Does not feel accurate at all.

It feels like there's a different kind.

Like the Pisces is still here.

What does Pisces feel like now?

Like, what is the everything?

What is the together?

What is the glue?

You know, before we were alone together, and now we're together alone.

Or the vice versa, maybe.

And I mean, that's.

And again, I'm like.

I keep coming back to, like, these ascendant assemblies as both, like, support group and experimental space to be in that, you know, if we're gonna use what you just said, to be together alone, Right.

Like, what does it mean to be really individuated, really privy, really witness to what's happening and unfolding through us and through our world together.

Right.

Like, even the fact that it's a digital space feels like attuned to that piece of it.

I think it's, you know, it's important for us as we're going through these shifts and hopefully, yeah.

Continuing to be more and more alone in the ways that are, like, supportive of your individuality and independence and sovereignty.

To, like, yeah.

Have bridges from the cross.

It does kind of, to me, like, I'm almost viewing these as like, one tiny way, one tiny part of the bridge from cross of planning to cross of sleeping Phoenix.

Yeah.

Amazing.

Thank you.

So, yeah, Molly and I have had a couple different.

Really fun.

I don't know, I wanna, like.

I feel like, okay, what they actually were, was like, experiences of getting to collaborate on this technical brain beats, channel thing, presence now thing where We've riffed together using astrology for people, specifically a little bit using astrology and human design, and then using tarot at the end of the collaboratory experience.

And so when I was thinking I wanted to do this simplified version of ascendant assemblies, but didn't wanna hold it alone, Amalia was just like, immediately the person that I wanted to do this with.

And I got tripped up in my head a moment ago because I was like, wait, let me just finish the sentence with what it actually was, which was like witnessing people using these languages, but also relaxing into what's here and like collaborating together with the energy of that.

But the other thing, the other words that were coming to mind were like these kind of cool, trippy psychic experiences where we're both just like dropped in.

And yeah, there's something about getting to co.

Hold the space that makes it feel more relaxed too.

I've experienced that as well with another one of my collaborators, Allison Forseth, where, like, getting to hold the space together feels so relaxing and cool.

So anyways, I'm really excited to have you on board with that this year, and I think we'll see how it wants to unfold.

But the idea is basically a couple Saturdays before each solstice and equinox point we'll meet.

We'll have four sessions, one for each elemental rising sign.

So the Saturday before, and then the Saturday before that, two of the element rising signs will meet.

And I think what I kind of envision, although it's loose and we'll see, we'll see what wants to happen, is just like a little bit of riffing up top on what were some of the major planetary moments and qualities in this last quarter and what, if anything, is shifting.

Talk about it.

Orient a little bit to geometrically.

How is that laid out over the whole sign chart for that group and then just open it up to discussion where we'll kind of lean back, especially probably in the water and air risings, but also be there to help point out patterns and things as we see it with our astrologers minds.

Yeah.

So I think we did a good job of just articulating our intention with that both directly and indirectly throughout this convo.

Is there anything that feels left unsaid?

No, I have.

Maybe this will just be a cliffhanger, but there's like through this, an idea for an offering with you and me has emerged, but I'm gonna clear that with you off the air and then we will agree.

Okay, cool.

I love it.

Collaborations breed collaborations.

Yeah, yeah.

So it's going to be one of the ways of simplifying it for me is like just letting it exist within a structure that already exists rather than launching relaunching Ascendant Assemblies tm although there is an Ascendant Assemblies email list and Instagram, so perhaps I will employ those in this process at some point.

We'll see.

Maybe.

But the way to join us for Ascendant Assemblies is just going to be through my Patreon.

So I have much more actively involved tiers like the Altar and the Orbit Field for people who are like, yeah, wanting this kind of connection on the regular.

And that is already happening.

There's already a rhythm around that and a little community, a devotional community in orbit around that.

But Ascendant Assemblies feels distinctly different to that for me.

So while ALTER and Orbit Field people will have access to these Ascendant Assemblies calls, I wanted to make them more widely accessible as well.

Well, so I do think numbers is a part of this.

It's not as crucial now that we're doing it by element instead of rising signs, but you want a handful of voices and case studies.

So that being said, even Solarium level of patronage, which is my lowest investment and typically lowest touch, I don't usually meet live with people on the Solarium, but I'm going to make the Solarium the container through which the Ascendant Assembly's offerings is offered.

So the Solarium is like a monthly workshop, either live or from my archive.

It's the whole Living youg Design course and then it's access to the Quality Time podcast, which I do usually about two a month of.

And now it is also going to be these quarterly Ascendant Assemblies.

So you don't have to sign up for a whole year or anything.

But like the first round of Ascendant Assemblies is going to be through the month of March ahead of the Aries Solar Ingress.

So sometime between now and then, then join at the $15 solarium level if you want to be part of these calls.

And we are going to record them and share the recording on the Patreon too because like Amalia said at one point, for some people that actually like verbalizing metabolizing component of the witnessing might be very valuable.

And there's also inherent value in just getting to hear someone else's experience of these transits as they're hitting your chart.

Similarly, and as we've talked about attuning to this different way of being in relationship to the unfolding and I'm sure I'LL be talking about that and inviting people into it through this whole series as well, so.

Yes.

Great.

Thank you so much, Amalia.

Thank you.

This was fun.

Yeah.

We'll be seeing you for the Venus episode and then all year and maybe for whatever else you got cooking.

Yeah, I can't wait to be be back.

Okay.

Thanks, everyone.

Sam.