Hi, and welcome to the Awfully Quiet podcast Today. It's just the two of us, and this episode is directly from my Notes app. And I don't know if you are the same, but whenever I have a thought or something I wanna think about journal about, I do this in my iPhone notes app. And so this notes app is my personal journal.

If. Whatever gets out about this Notes app, I am so screwed. I don't know if you, if you do this too, but there's a lot of thoughts, a lot of reflection happening in my Notes app, and I've recently thought about something that I wanted to bring up with you and it's a little bit of a different episode today because I'm giving myself a little bit more grace.

I even have a coffee here that I'm actually going to be drinking now. This is something that I have never done when I recorded. I usually, you know, almost two years into podcasting, I still get stressed out about recording. And there is something that happens in my body when I hit record that just puts me into fight, flight, or freeze mode.

And it's definitely that, that freeze mode of like, okay, now I'm recording. Now I need to be, you know, spot on. I can't be drinking my coffee. I. I really need to get things down and articulate myself in a way that's gonna land. And I do want to improve the quality of that. And I do want to make sure that I'm not just rambling on, but at the same time, I wanna give myself a little grace and a sip of coffee every once in a while.

So let's see how this goes. So what I wanna touch on today is something that I've seen all over social, that I've mentioned it in one of the last episodes. All along the sentiment of, I met my younger self for coffee, and I'm giving that younger self advice on, you know, what they should be doing, how they should be, you know, pursuing their lives differently.

And I love this action prompt. I love this journaling prompt, and I've used that as well. I've not posted anything about it because I came up with a version that I would never share online. It was way too honest. But, I really like this journaling prompt and I thought quite a lot about what I would, I tell my younger self and my younger self.

If I would go 10 years back, that would be my 23-year-old self, just about to start her career, finish off her masters, start her career in corporate and so on, and. A lot of the content I saw online along these lines was always quite, you know, now, 10 years later, I know so much more than I knew before and had I just known this and there's so much content out there that just kind of alludes to the fact that 10 years later you are so much more stronger, the wiser, you know, so much better how you would, you know, do things in your career and what's important versus what is not important.

And what I actually did at the same time is I looked 10 years ahead and thought to myself, well, what's likely going to be the advice that I tell myself today in 10 years time? And I saw some parallels and I thought to myself, well, you know, there's so many things that we only understand backwards that we don't know going into this thing that we don't know going into our careers.

And I do wanna do. An episode of where I just share my reflections of what would I be telling my younger self if I had to start my career from scratch? How would I approach things differently based on what I know today? Knowing all too well that some of these things that I'm going to share with you today are also things that I often still need to remind myself of.

Like, I am not this fully done person 10 years later that has it all figured out. There are still some of these things where I'm thinking. Well, this is actually something that I need to remind myself of more often, that I need to have front and center for me because yes, my younger self would've benefited from it, but my current self still needs to learn these things and still needs to be reminded.

And I'm sure there are also things that I'm struggling with today that, you know, 10 years from now. I will have a different view on, I'll have a different perspective at, I think some of these things are really important because they're not just, you know, general career advice, but they come from somebody who has been, you know, an introvert in corporate, and this is a.

Basically what this whole brand is built upon, and it's something that I figured out in these past 10 years that I am introverted and that I'm slightly different and why that is and how I should have probably approached things differently from the start. So I think in that sense, in is something that you can take away at whichever point in your career you're currently at, whether you are starting out, whether you are.

Potentially looking to pivot whether you are looking to lean more into your introversion and into your quiet and still trying to figure out how to do that in a way that feels good to you.

So what I have for you is five things that I've written into my notes, that I would tell my younger self or that I would tell somebody who is just starting out, or if I were to start from scratch, if. You know, monopoly style. Somebody would've just brought me back into my twenties. Oh my God. 23. Yeah. I mean, there's all sorts of things that I would be doing at 23.

Probably not pursuing my career as hard as I did at the time. That might have been the first, that's the first bonus learning I actually wanna bring. It's like, don't take things so seriously. And, Yeah, I bet my future self will just be having a laugh at this because I don't ever not take things so seriously.

I'm somebody who is very intense. So yeah, maybe the next 10 years will bring some of that. So, the first one I wanna land, the first thing I would do if I were to start from scratch is really start with getting to know my personality and use it. I would start by getting really honest about how I work best, what gives me energy, how I communicate, what I'm naturally good at, especially the stuff that doesn't look loud or traditionally leaderly.

Now, early on in my career, and sometimes still to this day, I spend a lot of energy on trying to be more extroverted on being more upbeat, more. Corporate in a way. I mirrored people a lot. There were a lot of people that I would look up to and see how they would present their ideas, and I would try to copy their style to a certain extent.

Whenever I saw a leader that I looked up to or somebody who I thought was extremely charismatic, I thought that by mirroring them, by copying that style that I admired so much that was going to take me forward. But then I learned more about my actual personality type. And somewhere in between those 10 years, probably just when I was just about 25, I had just started my corporate CPG role at the company where I'm still at today.

As part of that, I did the MBTI test, and that's when I found out that I am introverted. Up until that point, I was never able to put. Words to describe to you know, what I am. I would've never, I would've never said that I'm shy. I would've never said that I'm quiet or too quiet or too shy, but I am quiet and shy in some situations.

But I would've never described it like that because I always had this huge ambition, this drive, this career hunger, and this feeling of, oh, you know what I'm, you know, I can do anything I put my mind to, but. Having done this MBTI test and finding out that I am introspective, I also understood some of the strengths that came with it, like the deep thinking, the, you know, my communication style was different to everyone else's, but there were also benefits to that.

I had very clear communication and what I al always described early in my career was I articulated that in a way that I said that I had social competence because I would always. Be able to flex how I explain things. I could explain things across various different types of target groups and people, and I would always flex my side a little bit to make sure that the communication lenss, I also studied communication.

I was, you know, very eager to, you know, communicate well. And this is something that I put a lot of effort in early on in my career, and it's partly something that I have a natural strength at due to my introspection due to that.deep empathy and thinking about the audience more so than I'm thinking about myself in these situations, the presence I have.

And so I did struggle when I first found out that I am introverted because I knew very well that the classic leadership. Style people and the people I looked up to in corporate, they were all extroverted and they had a different kind of skillset. So initially I struggled with that fact and I tried to hide it, but therefore, this is the first thing that I would tell my younger self, or the first thing that I would do differently is I would just own up to it.

And I would just, you know, find out who I am, how I work best, how I thrive, what's the best work, how do I generate. A situation and a, and a work set up for myself, an environment where I can truly thrive instead of just making it so hard on myself instead of just trying to be somebody that I'm not, instead of just fitting the mold.

Because it is so much more interesting to be who you really are and to really lean into that because no pretending will ever get you as far as leaning into your strengths. Does. You will never be as good an extrovert if you are not an extrovert as you are at being an introvert. That is where your strength lies.

This is where you can really make a difference. This is where your edge is. This is, yeah. The power source that you have. And I haven't been using that power source early on in my career. I have been using all my power to hide it, and so. To a certain extent, I regret that deeply because I just wish that, you know, 23, 24, 20 5-year-old version of me would've just shown up to that and seen some of the power in being calmer, quieter, not as outgoing, being more intentional, more of a deep thinker.

And, yeah, I think I would've gotten, it would've been a lot more comfortable for me, and I think I would've,I've been able to drive some meaningful change in my career. If you have, I'm sure you will have done a personality type test. So either like the MBTI or the Insights Discoveries or the Enneagram, or the Human Design, whatever it is for you.

I. Look at that and, and, and think about what are some of the things that I am hiding or that I'm actually trying to actively hide or not show at work? Or what's a part of my personality that I'm trying to not bring to the workplace? And how would leaning into that more make a difference for you, knowing in hindsight?

Whenever I had other people that I've worked with and really look up to describe what it is that they like about me or describe what it is that I, that stood out to them about me, it would always be these things like, you know, my calm demeanor being the person who has calm in the storm, being the person who is always solution oriented, who always looks at, you know.

Things from a positive angle, who always comes in with ideas, who always comes in proactively, things strategically, things five steps ahead. Has the audience in mind and has other people in mind, is very well aware of, you know, I'm very well aware of my surrounding at all times, and so. I quickly notice when the energy shifts in the room or when the energy is off, and I am not afraid to point that out or to ask a tough question or, yeah, to be, just to be vulnerable in the moment.

And that was often reflected back to me as something that people find, you know, love about me or find memorable or something that they've just remembered about me or some. In a way that I've, I do. I wanna say touch them. I don't know, but it's just what stood out to them. Let's leave it at that and have another sip of coffee.

I think it all comes down to realizing when are we at our best? What are some of the moments that we feel most like ourselves at work? And then lean into that more often because that is really where the gold is. That is where we thrive, and the earlier we can create these moments and that set up in our careers, the better.

Now the second thing that I wanna share with you in terms of what would I tell my younger self is to talk more about what excites you and what often happens. And what happened to me early in my career is I would always.wait until something was done and perfect and polished before I would ever mention it.

You know, a project I work on, I would always just mention when it was done, when it was brought to life, and only if it was brought to life really, really well. And I would never really talk about the progress and things that were in motion. And that was a big, big mistake because I. That is when people struggle to understand what you actually do at work, and this is where, you know, goes back to the sentiment of your work doesn't necessarily speak for itself.

You do have to talk about your work. It's not just. Okay for other people to know, you know, your job title or you know, what you generally do on a daily basis, but it is up to you to talk about what excites you, what you are passionate about, some things that have worked really well in what you're currently doing, and working on some things that are not working well in what you're doing, and especially these things that are not working well and where there is some vulnerability where, you know, shit hits the fan.

Some of these things, voicing them, articulating them. Sharing them with others does create this sense of you take people along for the ride, people are on this journey with you, and it's not to complain or it's not to, you know, shine a light on all the things that are not working, but it's almost like.

Making your work more tangible to others, making it part of an experience, and that is what makes you memorable. This is what makes your work stand out to other people, because then they'll remember the full progress and then they'll end up saying, you know what? You know this person worked on this for.

So and so long. I know it was a bumpy ride with ups and downs, but they managed to bring it to life and now it's working extremely well or these are the learnings that they've taken away. It just makes you work something that people also have a stake in. Like if you talk about this, more people are genuinely more interested.

Excited. They'll ask you questions, they'll follow up. This is also when small talk or office chitchat becomes a lot more interesting because suddenly people remember you and the project that you work on because you've spoken about, and then they'll ask you questions about it. It'll not just be, you meet them at the coffee machine or you meet them at the office and they'll go, ah, you know, great weather.

How was the traffic like? How's your coffee taste today? But it'll be like, oh, I remember you mentioned that bump in the road on that project. How is that going? How are you progressing? Can you tell me more? I think this is part of what I completely underestimated as an introvert, because I was so quick to.

Just kind of think to myself, I'm not great at small talk. I'm not great at chitchat and I, I'm not loving it. I'm not here for it. So I try to avoid it at all costs. But if you drive it intentionally and if you kind of weave in, here's what I'm working on, this is what I'm excited about, here's what I'm doing right now, here's some of the help I could use.

It makes it so much more strategic. And what it does is it builds this reputation for you. This is how your work is going to do the talking for you. This is how people and senior leadership are going to come to you for project updates or. You know, whatever they wanna do that is in some way associated with the work that you're doing.

They'll also think about you when opportunities arise because they, they will remember, you know what? I know this person worked on this type of project. Maybe they're also interested or really well placed to take on this project in the future because they have the experience so. Number two is all around talking about what excites you, things that are not finished.

Share the in-between, the messy middle, the progress. Make sure to celebrate some of the wins along the way. You don't have to do this in an icky, awkward way. I know that a lot of the corporate stuff that's being shared on teams and in these chats and updates can easily feel dishonest, but find your way of getting this done.

It doesn't have to be a company wide email where you brag about your progress update. It can be as simple as a small teams chat message to the team saying. Here's what we're doing today, or here's what we achieved today. Or you can mention this in a one-to-one with your manager and say, look, last week we encountered this and this problem.

Here's what I suggest we look into. This is what I'm already actioning. I just wanted you to know, yada, yada, yada. So to mention these updates and talk about them in a proactive way, but also share some of the wins and weave in some of the things that you are proactively driving. You are steering the ship, you are coming in prepared.

You have the solutions. You just need their input and sign off and whatnot. So there are so many ways to bring this to life in a way that subtly self promotes the work that you do. And. Certainly for me, what was true is that I just kind of said to myself, look, I'm just gonna put my head down. I'm just gonna do great work, and things will come to me and people will think of me, and I'm sure my work will speak for itself.

And it's not that way. You need to be proactive. You need to be talking about what you do, how it's going, what you're passionate about, what you'd love to do in the future. And that is a way I. Of getting noticed and seen and getting your work to speak for itself in the long run. Now, the third thing I wanna share with you.

I would've actually told this to my younger self, but my younger self did this all by herself. So this is one of the things that has worked really, really well for me, and I'm so glad that. For some reason I did this naturally. And this is all about building advocacy. And what do I mean by building advocacy?

It's to have people in your corner. Are rooting for you. Building advocacy could be with your manager. It could be with like somebody who is a mentor to you. It could be with anyone in, you know, senior leadership roles or somebody who is just close to you as a team member or a couple of steps ahead.

Somebody who genuinely takes an interest in seeing you develop and grow. Usually this would be somebody like your manager or somebody who you reported to in the past. And what has always worked extremely well for me is building relationships with these people and then to a point where they would positively talk about me in rooms that I was never in.

And this goes back to obviously I didn't, I wasn't as vocal about my projects. I didn't share a lot about my work. I wasn't extremely visible. So, my manager or my boss at the time, they were always somebody. Who naturally knew that I was doing great work. They were really close to me. They worked with me hand in hand.

So I didn't need to sell myself to them. I didn't need to self-promote with them because they just saw the work that I was doing. I never had to prove myself to these people. So naturally they saw, you know, she's doing great. And they started talking about it in other forums when it comes to talent conversations, when it came to career opportunities or next best moves.

So that always worked extremely well for me, having other people who witnessed my work and my performance firsthand. I. Advocate for me in rooms that I was never in and really help me grow, support me. This is how I landed some of my roles. Quite frankly, I've sometimes had managers or former managers speak to hiring managers that I was talking to about new positions and those hiring managers.

Weren't quite sure about hiring me because here I've done a couple of pivots. I didn't always have the on paper experience for the roles I was applying for, and so it was a bit of a black box to them. It's like, you know, does this girl know what she's doing? Can she learn on the fly? Can she come in and you know, takes things on without prior experience?

And then they would talk to some of my. Former managers or my boss at the time and asked these questions of like, you know, does she pick things up quickly? And they were like, absolutely, you can absolutely take her on. She'll be. You know, learning really quickly. She'll be taking things on. She'll hit the ground running, although I do not like this expression at all.

but they advocated for me. They vouched for me. They said, I have worked with her for two, three years. You can absolutely take her on no questions asked. And this to me has been my biggest career enabler. Changer. I did not do anything proactively to make the these things happen. It was just building good relationships with the people I reported to and with the people I looked up to.

It's not only your manager if you're now, you know, thinking to yourself, you know what? My manager would never vouch for me or help me move into a different role. But it could also be somebody else in senior leadership, somebody who's a mentor to you, somebody who was a couple of steps ahead of you, which we'll get into.

But yeah, it's, it's really about, you know, building these relationships and making sure these people also know how to support you. So it's essential for you to tell them, you know what, here's where I'm headed. This is what I really want to do. This is the type of opportunity that I'm chasing, or, this is the next best move that I'm envisioning.

And so that enables them to bring up your name when the conversation arises.

The fourth step is, and this is something that I constantly need to remind myself of to this day, is to build one-to-one connections with people ahead of you. If I could go back, I would have probably had more coffee chats, more informal conversations with people. Look, the, you know, the casual career chats that people often talk about.

When I first, I remember when I first came into corporate, I was so, so surprised at the amount of coffee chats that would be happening. And I'm just like, well, people are getting paid to have coffee at the cafeteria together and like speak to somebody for 30 minutes and just genuinely chat to people that they don't have active projects with.

So.I was so, so surprised by this and. It was never something that came to me naturally. It was always something that I had to be very intentional about. And still to this day, I will have some colleagues who will always think of, you know, putting a coffee chat in with me or checking in on how things go.

And I. I'm never the person who thinks of it first, which always goes back to me believing that I'm just a bad networker and that I'm just not one of the extroverts who naturally thinks about people and wants to connect. Because again, most of the day I just spend on how do I progress my projects? How do I get my work done?

How am I most productive and efficient and effective? And, you know, get, get stuff done. Instead of thinking about, you know, who to connect with and who to have a quick chat with. And. I have seen over the years that the people who spend some time on having informal chats and connections with others, they are often also the ones who quickly get work done because some of those connections are extremely enabling.

somewhere down the line, you're going to be working with one of those people you connected with, and then it's going to be so much smoother, so much easier, so much quicker to find that connection and work really well with together. So that was something that I completely underestimated going into my corporate career, and it's something that I was very quick to just put off and tell myself, no, you know what?

I'm an introvert. I'm not good at networking. I will just not do it. And this does happen sometimes to us, and I always wanna find this balance of, yes, we need to embrace that we're introspective and introverted and that we're just wired differently than our extroverted counterparts and we need to own up to it.

But at the same time, there are some of those things that we just need to push ourselves a little bit and where we do need to step out our out of our comfort zone. And this is why I also have so many guests on that have brilliant insights about networking. We just recorded this episode with Haley Dawson, who is excellent at conversation starters and building relationships, human skills and all that.

We've had multiple other guests along the lines of, you know, networking and how to approach networking events and how, and how to, you know, make sure like you are coming from a position of strength. How do you make it something that feels good and natural to you, and how do you add value to these situations?

So a hundred percent, I think that we can be extremely good at networking, but not in a sense of the typical networking that we have in mind. When we think of the, or when we hear the word, it's not many to many networking. It's building one-to-one connections and specifically with people that you are genuinely interested in.

And this is something that has worked extremely well for me. So what I would do is I would sometimes reach out to people in the organization that were, you know, a couple of steps ahead of me, or that were in positions that I aspire to when I moved from. Human resources into marketing. I would have a lot of connects with people in brand management and people.

I just kind of looked at their job titles in the system and I was like, oh, I would love to be that person. I would love to be that brand manager on on that particular brand. And then I would have. Coffee connect with this person and ask them a couple of questions along the lines of how they got there, what, what their job looks like on a daily basis, what they think key capabilities are in order to thrive.

You know, some of the behaviors, some of the mindsets, some of the technical skills that are required to do a great job in this role. what was, what their advice was and so on. If you are genuinely interested in somebody and in a field and or in what they do about their role, the conversation is so much different because it's just so much more authentic and genuine because obviously you bring that passion and people can can tell, people can sense whether you put in a coffee connect with them because you wanna tick a box or because you're genuinely interested in what they're doing.

And honestly, it is never. Stealing their time. If you bring that energy to the conversation, like who doesn't love to share? You know, some of their insights, some of their experiences with somebody who looks up to what they're doing right now, like I've had that, you know, now, more recently in my career, now that I've made it to the brand management roles that I aspire to, I've had a lot of people reach out to me and were like, you know, can we have a quick chat?

I'd love to ask a couple of questions and. It always feels really meaningful. I always love to chat through these things because one, I love to give career advice. and most of the time I do prefer when it's being asked for. So yeah, somebody putting in a coffee chat feels extremely nice. It's never that I feel like somebody is stealing my time, so this is something that I feel like.

I have done, there was one specific one that stood out to me where I reached out to a person in the organization that again, I was super interested in and somebody mentioned her to me and said, look, if you wanna go into this field, and Beck, I. at that time it was, the innovation field, so marketing innovation and product innovation.

They said, look, if you're interested to go into that field, this is the person you should be speaking to. She works in the global team. She has done multiple roles in the innovation space. she's fabulous, connect with her. And so based on that, I reached out to her. I had a coffee connect and. We had an excellent conversation.

I left feeling really, really inspired by it. I took on some of her advice. I applied to the innovation role at the time. I got the innovation role, so it felt like, you know, a really nice moment and it felt like, you know, just that it was like a nice coffee chat. I took away some advice and, it was, you know, a really good connection to be made.

And, fast forward two years. I reached back out to that person because I was like, well, we've had, you know, such a good time. I would love to keep the momentum. I would love to chat to you again. How are things going? And she was just about to move into, I. A role that, was closer to the part of the business that I was in at the time.

She was going to be leading a brand, she was going to do a brand director position for one of the, you know, largest global brands that we have in our portfolio. And I ended up applying to a position in her team and I ended up. Getting that position, not because I had reached out to her two years prior, but this is just some of the ways.

Building connections and networking works for you in ways that you cannot fathom, in ways that you cannot plan for. Like obviously this was never planned, but it did help me having that connection to her and you know, knowing in the first place that she was gonna go for that position and then having like a foot in the door when it came to applying to that role, because again, I was not.

On paper, I wasn't the best candidate to go for this role, and it's just such a beautiful, such a beautiful story. In hindsight, I could have never thought that reaching out to her for that coffee connect would have ended up with me working with her together. And just one of those things where I think to myself, you know what, introvert, I love the way you are and I love how you embrace all that you are, but everyone's in your in a while.

Get your ass up and reach out to someone, connect with them genuinely not to tick a box, but to have a great conversation. It's not only about work, it's also about building relationships and doing something that's meaningful. And, yeah, and it's, it, it is part, it's not only part of the game, but it also makes it worthwhile.

I wanna say that I never regretted a coffee connect that I had. I always have to push myself. I always have to remind myself. But yeah, this is something that I would genuinely do more intentionally early in my career. If I were to start over, I have a final point, the fifth point that I wanna lend with you, and this is one of the ones that where I would definitely say this is something that future me.

Will tell my current me, if I would ever do this again. And this is all about,

this is all about where your self worth comes from and this constant need to prove yourself. I spend a lot of time tying my worth. To my output, to getting recognition, to getting praise to the performance, to like the things that I nailed, to the things that I did really, really well. Whenever I landed a really cool project, whenever I felt really, really good about myself is when I thought, oh wow, you know, things are going really, really well.

I'm clearly killing it. So yeah, that that worked really well for me sometimes, and then sometimes it didn't. But the work that changes something and what's really making it meaningful isn't about achieving more. it's about learning to trust yourself. It's about seeing what you're naturally good at.

Some of that clarity, some of that empathy, some of that adaptability, and also seeing that as something that's enough, like I mentioned, that I've pivoted into various different fields and whenever I would start in a new field. All I wanted to do was prove myself, like, make sure that people knew that I was, you know, going to be good at what I was doing.

Prove myself constantly with new teams, with new projects. Like every single project that I take on, I'm always nervous at the beginning and this is something that is true. And you know, to this day I constantly need to prove myself and I never feel like it's quite enough and. I feel like I'm now at a point in my career where this needs to shift, where this becomes something that is not helping me grow or move forward.

And therefore what I wanna do is I wanna lean more into what comes naturally. And I wanna see the power in that because some of the things that have gotten me to where I am today, some of those skills, some of those behaviors. They're not skills I acquired along the way. They have been with me at that point in my career where I just started at the age of 23, 24, 25.

Some of what has made a difference for me, this calm demeanor, this leaning into being a little different into bringing fresh perspective into being vulnerable at work, asking the right questions. Asking for support, voicing where I wanna go, where I see myself, and asking for the right support. These things have been the biggest game changers, and they weren't anything that I learned along the way.

I had them already when I started my career, and I wanna believe the same is true today that everything I need is already there. I'm already enough and. The more I lean into that, the more I see that as something that is a powerful strength I have inside of me, the better. Because then I don't have to prove myself on every project or everything I take on or everything I do.

Every new team I join, I can join a new team and I can start a new project knowing that I'll figure it out. There is no pressure, but everything I need to, you know, do a great job. It's already there. And it's not tied to the output. It's tied to what I bring naturally. It's tied to my personality, it's tied to my demeanor, to my, introspection, to my quiet at the end of the day.

And, I hope this resonates with you. I know that this is something that. A lot of us struggle with, and I wanna be honest in saying that even though I feel like I figured a couple of things out 10 year, in 10 years into my career, there are still things that I'm putting in my notes app on a weekly, daily basis that feel like I still have a lot to figure out.

And, it's scary and it's beautiful at the same time, and I love that I get to share it with you. So I'm hoping that you're taking something away from this and that, you know, some of these things are things that you are already doing and, and leaning into, like leaning, leaning into your introversion, not pretending to be anyone you're not.

And then I. Talking about your work, connecting with the right people, having people advocate for you, pursuing some genuine conversations and connections, and at the end of the day, knowing that everything you need to succeed. At work is already with you. What is that thing inside yourself that feels strong, that feels like it's always been there, and how can you give it a little more space to grow and to blossom and to really work for you?

That's what I wanna leave you with this week. I hope you enjoyed this. Let me know because I'm only halfway through my coffee and I hate cold coffee.

So clearly I need to get more chill at this.if you, if this resonated with you, please share it with somebody who you think could use it too. And this is how the podcast grows, and this is how we get more introverts or, you know, quiet people, introspective people along for the ride, and this is what's going to make it so much more meaningful.

Thank you for tuning in, and I'll see you next week.