Biz Markie was the clown prince of hip
hop.
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He paved his own way in the industry and
in turn opened doors for future legends.
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He was like a big kid and larger than
life.
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Even in death.
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Nobody beats the biz.
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Nobody beats the Biz
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the Biz.
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But what was the late, great Biz Markie
really like?
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Welcome to Hip Hop Movie Club.
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This is a show for Gen X hip hop fans who
want to relive the glory days and
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reconsider classic and modern hip hop
films from a current day perspective.
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Together we'll explore some of the larger
societal issues raised in these films.
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If you've
seen today's movie before, then you'll
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learn some fascinating trivia you might
have missed.
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If you haven't seen today's movie before,
then we'll help you decide whether this
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film is worth your time.
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Either way, you'll be a smarter hip hop
fan by the end of this episode.
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The next 30 minutes or so, you'll get all
this and more.
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We're three old heads who put their old
heads together to vibe on these films for
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you.
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I'm DynoWright, podcaster, filmmaker,
long time hip hop fan, and I got to see
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Biz Markie make a surprise appearance at a
Beastie Boys / Tribe Called Quest show.
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I'm JB, 80s and 90s nostalgia junkie, long
time hip hop fan, and Special Ed’s, “I'm the
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Magnificent” is one of my all time favorite
tracks, and I will often jokingly sing the
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first verse when fake bragging about
something with my family.
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I'm Boogie, a DJ, long time hip hop fan.
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I've seen Biz Markie perform as an MC
during I Love the 90s tour and also as a
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DJ for a concert we held at Rider
University.
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Ooh.
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In this episode, we'll answer the
question, was Biz Markie more than just
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a friend?
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All Up In The Biz is a documentary movie
celebrating the life and impact of the
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beloved Biz Markie.
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The playful Biz left an indelible mark on
the world of hip hop and all those who he
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encountered including other hip hop
legends such as Rakim, Big Daddy Kane,
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Doug E. Fresh, and entertainers Tracy
Morgan and Nick Cannon.
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All Up In The Biz is available for viewing
on Showtime or for purchase on Amazon
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Prime Video.
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All right, let's get right into it.
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Boogie, what did you learn about
Biz Markie’s upbringing from this episode
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that you didn't know prior?
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Yeah, so most of what I knew about Biz
Markie was that he was from Long Island.
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But what I didn't realize is that he was
originally from Harlem and he lived there
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until he was 10 years old.
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And he said, after his mom passed away,
his family ended up homeless.
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And then Biz ended up in foster care.
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And he said, he became good at snapping on
people because people would always try to
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test him.
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And he said, he knew how to close doors.
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and didn't share too many aspects of his
upbringing.
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I guess it was a little traumatic for him.
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I said one of the first tapes he heard was
the L Brothers from the Bronx.
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I was like, okay, that's throwback right
there.
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And he heard Busy B rhyming and said, you
know what, I'm gonna make my name Busy Biz
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Markie.
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And I was like, that's kind of dope.
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But yeah, I liked that he used to roll
with the Groove Line crew.
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I heard them mention like,
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before, but I didn't hear too much about
them until this documentary.
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And then also, one of the things that I
caught was that we were talking about the
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Vapors.
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I knew that it was actually a true story,
but the actual name of the Source Crew,
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that was actually their name.
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I was like, oh, he used the actual name in
the video.
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So that was, that was, I was a little wild
right there.
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Great stuff.
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DynoWright, any comments about upbringing
of Biz Markie that you'd learned?
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I mean, I didn't really know anything
about Biz Markie, surprisingly.
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And so everything was new to me.
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It was, I'm glad they talked about his
struggle to get noticed and how he, he was
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doing the dozens and he was snapping and
what he got accepted.
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People accepted him.
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So his persistence went a long way.
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Yeah, I learned about, I guess,
non-traditional upbringing with multiple
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foster siblings.
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And he was always a character, they were
saying, a couple of the foster siblings
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were saying.
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One of the first things he said to them
was, I'm allergic to grass and medically,
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I need to wear Pro-Keds.
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That's a medical condition.
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And when he was running around, like
playing football or whatever, he would
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literally run in slow motion.
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Like he was always hamming it up.
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Yeah.
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That was funny.
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Some of the interesting facts about
Biz Markie or insight into how he was, was
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that playful nature.
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I loved seeing how he was such a major
collector of all things retro.
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Always wanted to say, I bet you don't
have this or have the first one of these
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ever made.
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That was awesome to see.
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You guys pick up on some of those things
as well?
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Absolutely.
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The Charlie's Angels figures.
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I'm a big Charlie’s Angels fan from, from
the seventies.
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Totally down with this.
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The Rock'em Sock'em Robots that he was
saying, you know, I still got my Rock'em
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Sock'em Robots up in the attic so I can
relate to that.
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And I'm a collector of things too.
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I got old Transformers and G.I.
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Joe figures and Silverhawks and He-Man and
all that stuff.
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Yeah, got a bunch of that stuff upstairs.
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And then Biz Markie's widow was holding up
that 70s electronic handheld football
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game.
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I loved that game so much.
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It was a great game, Electronic
Quarterback.
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Oh man, my brother and I on these long car
rides, we would play that back and forth.
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It was just the red dashes, how you would
go behind the defender and you can pass
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through the one defender.
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Hours and hours we would play on that
thing.
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I wish I had that again.
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I knew they did re-release it like a few
years back.
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I gotta, you can get that.
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That was cool.
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Yeah, my cousins and I had various
versions.
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We had football, baseball, soccer.
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Those games were cool.
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It's like, it's so entertaining.
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It's so funny when you look at it now, now
an app on your phone is like so much
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better.
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Compare that to like Subway Surfer app or
one of these things that the kids have.
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And you're like, Oh my God, I can't
believe we were entertained by these
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dashes and dots, but we were.
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Weird.
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Hahaha.
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Yeah, and I'm so addicted to Subway
Surfer.
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So I'm like laughing on the inside when
you said that I play like every day.
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Oh, that's a great.
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That's mad fun.
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That's funny.
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Any other interesting facts about
Biz Markie’s
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come up.
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That you picked up on.
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Yeah, I think like I knew that he was
generally like throughout the hip hop
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community, but it was just cool to see how
he made friends by traveling all over the
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place and meeting artists.
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It started off how he used to go
from school to school, like performing
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la-di-da-di, which is kind of funny
because I'm like, dude, you got on by
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perpetrating.
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And then he's saying, you know what?
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Yeah, that was...
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I was like, he lied!
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He was a liar.
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He said that was his song.
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So it was like a fake it to make it.
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They said he was faking it till he makes
it.
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He would go to the schools and start
performing La Di Da Di and saying it was his
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song.
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Aw man, that's hilarious.
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And I like how Rakim said how he walked up
to Wyandanch and just started beatboxing.
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Rakim was like, oh, that's a beat.
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And then he just walked over and started
freestyling on the beat.
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And they just started bonding over that
and he started traveling all over Long
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Island and different boroughs.
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And it was funny because as they were
interviewing different people, everybody
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was just kind of saying the same thing.
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I don't know, he just kind of appeared.
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He was just there.
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He just kinda appeared.
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He was just there.
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Like nobody can really pinpoint where he
just popped before the scene.
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It's like he just was there all of a
sudden.
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And it was cool.
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Like, you know, Doug E. Fresh was talking
about how they became friends and how he
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just popped up at his house and just was
hanging out.
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He just kept coming back.
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Dapper Dan had, you know,
similar stories.
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It's like, that was kind of cool.
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Like he just...
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He just became so beloved because he was
so personal and just wanted to meet
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people.
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That was really cool.
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That was the most impressive aspect of
this for me, is his hustle that he had.
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He was an MC and then he fell in love with
Doug E. Fresh's beatboxing and he said,
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teach me how, and he would show up at his
house every day for like three weeks and
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just study him and learn the beatboxing
techniques.
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And then later on when that quote unquote
scandal came about with the sampling and
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he got in trouble for the sampling.
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He's like, that's it, I'm done with this.
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I'm gonna learn how to DJ.
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And he became a world renowned DJ, huge
corporate parties, huge celebrities would
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invite him.
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He just taught himself how to spin and he
just kept reinventing himself, which was
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incredible.
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That sampling controversy was the song
“Alone Again” by Gilbert O'Sullivan, the
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lawsuit.
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It was a shame because he was denied to
clear the sample, but he just proceeded to
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use it anyway.
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Some said that he should have just asked
for forgiveness rather than permission,
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like instead of just use it.
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Cause back then, if he didn't know, how
much hip hop is Gilbert O'Sullivan
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listening to?
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And it wasn't like there was social media.
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Like he may not even got word that song
was out.
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So sometimes it's better just go for it.
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Right, there's a lot of groups that
sampled a ton of stuff back then that they
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got through before the sanctions really
started coming out.
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Yup.
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But I think that soured him to the whole
record industry and then transitioning to
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a DJ and he made it to the top of the rung
there.
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Yup.
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He used to, I've seen clips of him.
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He used to DJ sets using just 45 records.
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So he would just have 45s.
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And he had a pair of custom made Technics 1200s that just for 45s.
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And I'm like, wow, like.
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I don't even know how much money it cost
to get those because just to get a pair of
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Technics 1200 by themself, you will run a
bit at least, you know, if you want to get
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a new pair, you're gonna run at least a
grand.
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Or so you're looking at 500, at least 500
up and then you get them customized for
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the 45s.
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I'm like, wow, that's crazy.
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But he's an amazing, he was an amazing DJ.
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Yeah, I love his story of how he emerged.
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And like you said, he just showed up
everywhere when he got tied in with this
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Mix Master Mike and Dave, the promoters.
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And then I love the story how he met Big
Daddy Kane over at Albee Square in
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Brooklyn.
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And he, at first he came there to battle
him.
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And then he's like joking around with
them.
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He's like, listen, I got to introduce you
to these guys.
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Mike and Dave gets Big Daddy Kane on the
shows.
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It gets his name out there.
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And he says, I'll get you a record deal.
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He just kind of threw it out there and he
followed through with it.
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Craziest thing too, is that Biz entered
Rakim in an MC contest in Harlem and Rakim
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did not win that contest.
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I'm like, how does he not win MC contests?
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Seems impossible!
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I need to find who this guy is that beat him and we gotta
hear some of his stuff.
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Come on now.
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And Rakim was yeah.
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He said the guy's name, I forget what it
was.
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Yeah, he did.
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I can't remember.
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He said he saw.
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Yeah, he said it was in his, you know, he
was in Harlem.
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So that probably had a little sway to it,
but still.
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Rakim we talking about!
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Exactly.
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And Biz hooked up Big Daddy Kane with
Marley Marl.
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Everybody Marley Marl was, you know, he
wanted to, he was, he had so much
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influence back then.
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He was the guy to go see and Biz had that
direct contact with him.
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Um, I love this one quote that Jazzy Jeff
put out there.
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He said, Marley Marl was Dre before Dre
and the Juice crew was Wu Tang before Wu
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Tang.
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That one stuck with me.
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Yeah, yeah, the Juice crew, they was a
conglomerate of just raw hip hop talent.
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Like all of them have bars, every one of
them.
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They all have bars, all of them.
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I mean, Shan and Craig G and Kool G and
Shante and Biz.
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Like they all, and then Kane on the scene,
like Masta Ace, they all, all of them had
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rhyme skills.
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This for days, bars.
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And like Marley Marl was like a super
producer back then.
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And he had such reach because he had
direct line to WBLS.
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So whatever he had, he got direct line to
the airwaves with no middleman.
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That was crazy.
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That you could put, you could cut a song
with him and it'll be on the radio the
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same day.
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And they had tie into Uncle Ralph
McDaniels with Music Video Box.
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Cold Chillin' Records was born out of
this.
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And then, Biz’s influence was not only
in, you know, the hip hop music industry.
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You see Nick Cannon knew him from, used to
carry crates for him, I think.
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And Biz taught Nick Cannon how to charm the
women.
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And now the amount of kids he has, he did
a good job.
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I had to throw something like that out
there.
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Oh man.
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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But yeah, Nick Cannon was really
influenced by Biz Markie.
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I didn't know that.
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And Tracy Morgan also was super close to
Biz Markie.
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They grew up together kind of.
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Yeah, yeah, I didn't even realize that.
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I didn't realize that they were as close
as they were.
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I mean, I knew that later on, Biz and Nick
Cannon were close, but I didn't know that
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it stemmed all the way back to Nick Cannon
being 17 and carrying some of Biz's crates
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for him when he had to do shows.
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I was like, wow, really?
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Because I've seen episodes of Wild'n Out
where Biz Markie would be on there.
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And you can definitely see that they were
close, but I didn't know how far back they
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went.
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Man.
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So let me transition into this.
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Um, this documentary was really produced
by his widow Tara Hall.
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And it was kind of her story to
commemorate Biz's life.
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Did you guys know anything about Tara Hall
prior to watching the documentary?
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If, and if not, what are your impressions
of her or either way, what are your
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impressions of Tara Hall?
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You want to take that, Boogie?
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I started following Tara Hall like a few
years back.
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I think it might've been, I don't know if
it was right when he got sick or right
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before he got sick, but I saw them in the
picture and I think and she was giving her
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a shout out or something like that.
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I was like, all right, you know, I'm gonna
follow her, all right.
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So I started following her.
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But I remember when he got sick, she was
always posting updates on him and just
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trying to, you know, keep him in good
spirits.
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just keeping, you know, knowing that, no,
he's not gone, he's still with us and he
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still needs prayers and things like that.
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And I thought she would seem pretty
genuine.
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And even now, like she still posts, you
know, every now and then about his legacy
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and like trying to hold people accountable
for different things.
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Like I think right now, one of the big
things was somebody, I think she said
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somebody who has a block on his Instagram
account.
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and they won't let it go.
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And I was like, wow.
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But one thing I didn't know was I didn't
realize that she was a model prior to
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getting married.
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And I said, I was kind of cool.
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And I also never knew the story of how
they met.
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So when she was telling the story about
how they met in New Orleans while he was
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DJing, I was like, okay.
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And then she said, you know, he was joking
around and asked for a phone number.
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So she was like, I give it to him,
whatever.
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And then he actually remembered her phone
number and called her back on that Monday.
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And it's like, I told you I wasn't gonna
forget and how they became friends and how
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the relationship progressed.
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And then he asked her to marry him, but
she wasn't ready at the time.
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She had a flourishing career.
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So she was doing music videos and photo
shoots and runway work.
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But then she came back 10 years later and
said that everything was kind of still
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where she left it.
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He said, I knew you were gonna come back.
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I was like, wow, that was kind of dope.
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I had to shed a little tear like.
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Pfft.
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Ha ha ha.
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That's really heartwarming, yeah.
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That was a touching story.
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Yeah, she seems like a lovely woman.
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I didn't really know much about her at
all.
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You mentioned the modeling, she was in a
lot of music videos like Boyz II Men, “I'll
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Make Love to You”, and a lot of popular
videos back then.
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Yeah, he kept, like you said, he kept
everything in the same place.
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She bought housewares, plates, stemware,
et cetera, for Biz’s house.
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But she was following up on her career.
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She came back 10 years later, everything
in the same place.
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And they ended up getting married at that
point.
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And they showed that.
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She had a daughter, so this became
Biz Markie's stepdaughter when they were
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married.
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He was such a, he seemed like such a good
father figure to the daughter, Avery,
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who's my daughter, same name.
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I thought that was such a cute thing that
he was, because he's such a kid himself,
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so he was great with her.
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Yeah.
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I didn't know anything about Tara Hall
either.
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And it turns out she had an amazing
career.
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I mean, Wilhemina Models is no joke.
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You get into that agency, you're really
doing something.
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And it takes a lot of strength to be
someone's medical advocate.
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I do a fair amount of reading about living
well and dying well, and a lot of it's
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about how you want your end to be and how
you wanna go and how kind of care you want
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at the end of your life.
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And...
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All of it's hard, and for her to do that,
for him, with, it's hard enough for a
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normal person, but for a celebrity like
Biz, it's even worse.
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And so I commend her for being strong
through all of this, and then telling her
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story afterwards with this documentary.
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What would you say is the most surprising
thing in this documentary, All Up in the
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Biz?
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Anything surprise you?
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Yeah, I mean, like, I think my most
surprising thing was one thing that we
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kind of touched on, we touched on already,
was how big of a collector he was.
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I mean, like, I knew he I knew he
collected things because, you know, every
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now and then he posts stuff like, you
know, but I didn't realize that he had a
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whole huge storage unit full of things.
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I was like, wow, he's like a super
collector.
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But um, but he said, you know,
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he started collecting things from his
childhood that he never had.
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And when I heard that, it kind of made
sense because he wouldn't really talk too
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much about it, but I know that it was a
little rough on him sometimes.
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And a lot of those toys that he was
talking about, those were the top of the
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line toys back in the day.
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Like I said, you're always teasing people
about having...
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I have the first one of these or I bet you
don't have this.
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And I was like, wow, that's kind of what
kids would do back in the day.
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And it all made sense.
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Okay, I was gonna say I didn't really, I
remember the song “Me and the Biz” by Masta
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Ace in the video where he has the Biz
Markie puppet.
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I love that song.
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I used to imitate it, you know, with
tapping my neck, it's like me and the Biz,
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that whole thing.
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I didn't know that he didn't like that
song.
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Like he wasn't happy with it.
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And I don't know if he kind of cleared it
with him.
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Maybe he thought it made him look silly or
something like that.
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I love Masta Ace’s apology rap here in the
documentary.
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He did a whole apology rap saying, you
know, he shouldn't have done that.
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You should have went through him first.
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And, uh, other surprising thing is the,
“Just A Friend” demo tape that was thrown
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off the porch by one of the, was it
producers Bernard? Where like, it was so
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unique and so out there that he's like,
no, this is not going to work.
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And as soon as other, it got into other people's
hands, they're like, yeah, this, put this
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out there, put this out there.
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It's going to be a hit.
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Yep.
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I think it was it Shante that said that
he had to ice down his lips after some
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beatboxing sessions.
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That cracked me up.
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I believe it.
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That's got to be really hard like
physically.
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I think the thing that most surprised me
was just how many careers he helped get
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started.
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I didn't realize that he was instrumental
with, I mean, two guys like Big Daddy Kane
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and Rakim?
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Holy cow.
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Like without Biz, like we may not have
like got to witness this greatness.
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Wow.
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We're more in debt to Biz than we thought.
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Yeah.
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And like, you know, a lot of Rakim and
Big Daddy Kane are in a lot of people's
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top five MCs of all time.
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That's some heavy influence right there.
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That just shows like, man.
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Yeah, I got to see them both at the Rock
the Bells festival on August and it was
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like these guys, legends, they still have
it, they're revered.
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And if it wasn't for Biz Markie, they may
not have made it, you're right.
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I mean, he was so influential.
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It's unreal.
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I also liked the scene of the Celebrity
Fit Club.
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He won that Celebrity Fit Club when he had
lost the weight.
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So I mean, whenever he put his mind to it,
he could do it.
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It's a shame that he couldn't get his
health all the way back.
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Um, couldn't really control it.
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Unfortunately.
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But yeah, you could tell the influence he
had on these guys.
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Rakim was tearing up at the end.
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And they filmed in the high school, that
Wyandanch High School where he had
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performed with Biz.
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And he was so grateful.
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And Big Daddy King was effusing praise and
gratitude for all that Biz did for his
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career.
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You can tell he was revered by these guys.
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And then you got the other MCs that he
kind of hung around with and influenced a
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little bit back and forth.
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EPMD, De La Soul.
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I was like, wow.
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They all have respect for him.
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Yeah, a lot of those guys all grew up in the Long Island area.
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So they were, they were tight.
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Like that's a different breed.
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Um, folks there.
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I guess one final question as we wind down
is, did you like the overall format of the
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documentary?
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Did you like it in general?
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Boogie?
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Well, I mean, like general, the general
format for me was, was pretty good.
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I mean, I like always incorporating people
that have that are, you know, close people
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that are really close to them.
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So just having like, you know, those,
those MCs that were really close to him,
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giving insider perspective, you know, had
some family, some, some of his family
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members with his foster brother and
sister.
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Um, so I liked that, that format.
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The one thing that kind of, but that was a
little.
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kind of weirded me a little bit with the
segments with the puppet, with the Biz
463
00:25:18,166 --> 00:25:19,041
puppet.
464
00:25:19,875 --> 00:25:23,083
It was kind of, it was, I wouldn't say
that it weirded me a little bit, but it
465
00:25:23,083 --> 00:25:24,833
just made me real sad.
466
00:25:25,041 --> 00:25:31,458
But I do understand why Tara included
those segments.
467
00:25:31,583 --> 00:25:36,416
I think those segments were very
therapeutic for her because she got to
468
00:25:36,416 --> 00:25:42,916
express her perspective on what was going
on while he was sick.
469
00:25:43,166 --> 00:25:48,833
and just showing some transparency into
how she was dealing with him.
470
00:25:48,833 --> 00:25:52,333
So I understand it from that perspective.
471
00:25:52,666 --> 00:25:55,458
Well, over the first time I saw it, I was
like, whoa.
472
00:25:55,458 --> 00:26:00,875
You know, it took me back a little bit,
but I got used to it after like, you know,
473
00:26:00,875 --> 00:26:04,250
the first couple of them, I was like, all
right, all right.
474
00:26:04,250 --> 00:26:10,333
This is not meant to be any kind of slight
or a diss to him or anything like that.
475
00:26:10,333 --> 00:26:14,250
I just kind of think she's kind of talk
was talking herself through it and just
476
00:26:14,250 --> 00:26:16,791
sharing that with us while she was talking
herself through it.
477
00:26:17,875 --> 00:26:19,625
It was interesting and clever.
478
00:26:19,625 --> 00:26:24,250
I'm not sure it landed completely, but the
way you say that this is more for her to
479
00:26:24,250 --> 00:26:30,041
talk through and process the experience
makes sense in that case.
480
00:26:31,291 --> 00:26:36,208
The idea of using a puppet is really fun,
and Biz Markie was a fun guy.
481
00:26:36,625 --> 00:26:40,583
So some of these fictionalized
reenactments and things, I think that part
482
00:26:40,583 --> 00:26:41,666
worked for me.
483
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:42,750
But the...
484
00:26:42,750 --> 00:26:46,666
The thing I really enjoyed, and this was
very surprising, was that opening credit
485
00:26:46,666 --> 00:26:54,291
sequence set to the Bread song, “It Don't
Matter to Me”, which this reflects how wide
486
00:26:54,291 --> 00:26:58,500
range Biz's musical tastes were.
487
00:27:00,083 --> 00:27:06,625
When I saw Biz, he came out on stage to do
“Bennie and the Jets” by Elton John during a
488
00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:06,916
Beastie
489
00:27:06,916 --> 00:27:07,541
Boys show.
490
00:27:07,541 --> 00:27:10,958
And this is similar to
491
00:27:10,958 --> 00:27:17,875
what we saw in Dear Mama where Tupac loved
the song “Vincent” by Don MacLean.
492
00:27:17,875 --> 00:27:23,416
And so, you know, it just shows that, you
know, these old, the OGs, they really drew
493
00:27:23,416 --> 00:27:27,458
on some of the stuff that they grew up
around, including things you wouldn't
494
00:27:27,458 --> 00:27:33,500
normally associate with these soft rock
guys like Don MacLean or David Gates in
495
00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:34,250
Bread.
496
00:27:34,333 --> 00:27:39,750
And so I need to know more about that part
because it was really like poignant.
497
00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:43,500
It set the mood in a way I didn't expect.
498
00:27:45,375 --> 00:27:51,333
Prince Paul did the music for this and
Prince Paul was the one who kind of
499
00:27:51,333 --> 00:27:55,208
introduced us to De La Sol and did a lot
of the production for them.
500
00:27:55,333 --> 00:27:59,666
So he was kind of behind that and it was a
great selection, I agree.
501
00:28:00,208 --> 00:28:04,083
The puppet thing to me was a little bit
jarring at first, like you said, but I
502
00:28:04,083 --> 00:28:04,500
agree.
503
00:28:04,875 --> 00:28:06,708
It's kind of a nod to his playful nature.
504
00:28:06,708 --> 00:28:11,125
It's almost like I could see Biz Markie
being like a permanent fixture as like a
505
00:28:11,125 --> 00:28:13,666
Sesame Street character because he was
just so jovial and
506
00:28:13,666 --> 00:28:17,041
great with the kids and you can see,
remember he was on Yo Gabba Gabba, that
507
00:28:17,041 --> 00:28:19,625
Nickelodeon show that my kids used to
watch.
508
00:28:21,458 --> 00:28:25,208
And I remember the first time that Biz
popped up on there and he said, Biz's Beat
509
00:28:25,208 --> 00:28:27,083
of the Day, and he was teaching how to
beatbox.
510
00:28:27,083 --> 00:28:28,625
I'm like, this is brilliant.
511
00:28:28,625 --> 00:28:32,166
And my kids got a good chuckle out of that
and they would look forward to seeing
512
00:28:32,166 --> 00:28:34,375
I was like, that's Biz, I'm trying to
teach them.
513
00:28:36,166 --> 00:28:38,708
Yeah, Yo Gabba Gabba, I mean, that was
amazing.
514
00:28:39,083 --> 00:28:42,125
But yeah, I like the format overall.
515
00:28:42,125 --> 00:28:42,958
Like you said,
516
00:28:43,541 --> 00:28:45,541
It showed the hospital scenes.
517
00:28:46,666 --> 00:28:51,625
You see the upbringing, there's a lot of
people that he influenced in his life,
518
00:28:51,708 --> 00:28:55,750
including those mega hip hop stars and
entertainers.
519
00:28:56,416 --> 00:28:58,250
And it was just a touching tribute
overall.
520
00:28:58,250 --> 00:29:02,666
Like I'm glad that Tara got to tell her
story because, and then at the end,
521
00:29:02,666 --> 00:29:06,791
there's a speech she gives a little
soliloquy at the end where I guess there
522
00:29:06,791 --> 00:29:09,458
was some negativity surrounding
523
00:29:09,458 --> 00:29:15,250
Biz’s death, people tried to sue
Biz’s estate and misappropriate funds.
524
00:29:15,250 --> 00:29:21,500
So she wanted to have her say at the end
there as well.
525
00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:22,041
Yeah.
526
00:29:22,500 --> 00:29:24,708
Yeah, that's some of that stuff that
should be mentioned with some of the stuff
527
00:29:24,708 --> 00:29:26,208
that I've seen in posts.
528
00:29:26,416 --> 00:29:27,166
Yeah.
529
00:29:31,166 --> 00:29:32,625
I'm glad we watched this one.
530
00:29:33,125 --> 00:29:37,000
Biz was such a great character.
531
00:29:38,958 --> 00:29:40,208
Truly a pioneer.
532
00:29:42,875 --> 00:29:49,375
Yeah, one part that I caught, it showed us
there was a still shot of Biz with, um, oh
533
00:29:51,458 --> 00:29:53,958
god, I can't think of her name, um,
stepdaughter.
534
00:29:53,958 --> 00:29:59,541
And he had on, um, a t-shirt and you look
real close at it.
535
00:30:00,041 --> 00:30:05,875
It was from the shirt that he had was one
of Ramo's, um, burners from Beat Street.
536
00:30:07,875 --> 00:30:08,166
Yeah.
537
00:30:08,250 --> 00:30:09,875
It was the Graffiti is our Art.
538
00:30:09,875 --> 00:30:11,125
It was Ramo, yeah.
539
00:30:11,125 --> 00:30:13,916
Graffiti is an Art and If Art is a Crime...
540
00:30:13,916 --> 00:30:15,958
I was like, oh wow.
541
00:30:15,958 --> 00:30:16,708
Yeah.
542
00:30:17,916 --> 00:30:19,583
Oh.
543
00:30:21,833 --> 00:30:27,458
Yeah, I hope in his collection of some of
those early, I mean, the t-shirt stuff,
544
00:30:27,500 --> 00:30:29,333
was it Shirt Kings or something?
545
00:30:29,875 --> 00:30:31,125
Yeah, Shirt Kings.
546
00:30:31,958 --> 00:30:37,083
Shirt Kings he referenced and he was big
with them and Boogie you said Dapper Dan and
547
00:30:37,083 --> 00:30:40,000
some of his stuff will be memorialized in
some of the museums.
548
00:30:40,083 --> 00:30:45,291
There was something that I saw was at the
Universal Hip-Hop Museum in the South
549
00:30:45,291 --> 00:30:46,333
Bronx.
550
00:30:46,333 --> 00:30:53,208
The December 11, 1985 Biz in the
studio with Roxanne Shante, famous scene
551
00:30:53,208 --> 00:31:00,166
and that pictures and or videos of that
are like memorialized at the Hip-Hop, Universal Hip-Hop Museum.
552
00:31:00,291 --> 00:31:06,125
Yeah, Biz Markie was a real treasure,
national treasure that we lost too soon.
553
00:31:06,208 --> 00:31:07,500
Go see this, everybody.
554
00:31:08,541 --> 00:31:10,500
Yeah, this is definitely worth your time.
555
00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:12,250
Definitely, definitely.
556
00:31:53,791 --> 00:31:58,083
On the next episode of the Hip Hop Movie
Club Podcast, your HHMC's review In Too
557
00:31:58,083 --> 00:32:00,375
Deep with Omar Epps and LL Cool J.
558
00:32:01,166 --> 00:32:04,166
Subscribe now on your favorite podcast app
and you won't miss it.
559
00:32:04,416 --> 00:32:05,500
Shout out to your listeners.
560
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:06,833
Thanks for tuning in.
561
00:32:08,583 --> 00:32:11,666
And remember, don't hate, accommodate.
562
00:32:13,375 --> 00:32:14,458
Accommodate.
563
00:32:14,458 --> 00:32:15,083
Nice.
564
00:32:15,791 --> 00:32:16,541
Right on.
565
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:36,833
Even in death, nobody beats the biz.
566
00:32:36,833 --> 00:32:38,791
Wait, I messed it up.
567
00:32:38,791 --> 00:32:41,125
have to say, nobody beats it.
568
00:32:41,125 --> 00:32:42,708
You have to emphasize the first part,
yeah.
569
00:32:42,708 --> 00:32:43,000
Yeah.
570
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:43,666
Yeah, that's right.
571
00:32:43,666 --> 00:32:45,208
I had the wrong one.
572
00:32:45,458 --> 00:32:46,458
Wrong arrangement.