[00:00:00] Eric Goranson: It's around the house. We have legislation issues out there in certain states because my personal belief is that every house should have a working ventilation hood that goes outside the building. Yes. And I don't understand that even in my state where they, if I do a rebuttal and I pull a building permit, guess what?

[00:00:24] Eric Goranson: That has to be a hood that that's outside. Yep. I could still go into a home center.

[00:00:29] Dave Jones: Yep. And. Circulating and I'm like, you know

[00:00:31] Eric Goranson: what? Recirculating mode is about as smart as a recirculating

[00:00:34] Dave Jones: toilet . You're not getting anywhere. I mean, for the most part, yeah. I, I think we'd argue that if, if, if you've gotta have one, maybe live in an apartment.

[00:00:42] Dave Jones: Yeah. And that's your best option. Make sure you're changing that filter. Make sure you're, you're treating that right, but then find another way to ventilate the house when it comes to remodeling and renovating your home. There is a lot to know though. We've got you covered. This is around the house.

[00:00:57] Dave Jones: Welcome

[00:00:58] Eric Goranson: to the Round the House Show. This is where. [00:01:00] About everything about your home every single week. Thanks for joining us today. I am still down here in Las Vegas at the Design and Construction Week. This is a combination of the International Builder Show, kitchen and Bath Industry show, and even this year, the National Hardware Show.

[00:01:14] Eric Goranson: So this is the one place in the world you gotta be. If you're doing anything around your home, and I'm in one of my favorite booths with one of my absolutely favorite people. I'm sitting here in the bro new toe booth where we are gonna talk about ventilation today and so much more stuff. Dave, welcome back to Around the House, my friend.

[00:01:32] Eric Goranson: Thanks. Thanks

[00:01:32] Dave Jones: for having me. I'm glad to be here. Ah, this is great, man. You

[00:01:34] Eric Goranson: guys again are

[00:01:36] Dave Jones: changing the rules of ventilation again. We are changing the rules of ventilation. Uh, yeah. Innovations are our game this year. It gets incredible what, what we've been able to come up with and just the advances and changes, I mean, We're all talking about it, right?

[00:01:46] Dave Jones: Yeah. It's been in the news for years now and I mean, just the other day we had another big news splash, and you can be on any side of the fence on that you want to, but holy cow. Let's unpack everywhere. Let's, let's do it. Let's, let's unpack it. We're

[00:01:56] Eric Goranson: just gonna dive in. Let's go. We're just going in knee deep here.

[00:01:59] Eric Goranson: You know, [00:02:00] the gas range ban, and I'm using air quotes that nobody can see right now. Yeah. Is one of those things that, um, really got me fired. Because I'm like, okay, and you probably feel the same way. Yeah. But I look at it and go, we have a ventilation issue. Yes. This is not just a gas range issue. Correct.

[00:02:17] Eric Goranson: There sure. There could be gas ranges that are leaking. Yep. There could be anything else. Yep. But that is such a small part of the ventilation problem. Yeah. Compared to everything else that's

[00:02:26] Dave Jones: coming up in your air. Yeah. Well, a hundred percent. Yeah. I mean, anything you cook on your gas range, on your electric range, you could have a wood burning range.

[00:02:32] Dave Jones: It really doesn't matter. Yeah. There's something going into the air off of your range. You're, we were talking earlier, you know, you're frying your country fried steak or whatever it is, right? Yeah. That's, that's emitting oil and, and smoke and all sorts of other things in the air that you can't see and you're breathing right in.

[00:02:46] Dave Jones: Without that, that range hood getting that out, you're gonna run into a lot of problems. So we don't care. Oh, like use whatever range you like what? Wherever you. Keep it. Use it. Right. We

[00:02:56] Eric Goranson: love it. Think about this, when you walk into grandmother's house and you [00:03:00] have that cookie smell, oh yeah, we all love that.

[00:03:04] Eric Goranson: It's awesome. But that's really not healthy. It's kinda like new, new car smell, right? Yes. You go, oh, this is great.

[00:03:09] Dave Jones: Uh oh. Oh, these VOCs smells. Oh man. So amazing. And the VOCs coming off the leather. I. Yep. These aren't really supposed to be good smells for us. No. In fact, uh, you should be able to walk into your house and smell absolutely nothing.

[00:03:22] Dave Jones: I don't know if, if your listeners know who Christoph Irwin is. Uh, he's, he's based in Atlanta and he's got the, um, anyway, brilliant guy. Uh, and he, and now were talking about it and he said, yeah, e e, good smells, bad smells. It doesn't matter. Ace. Smell is a sign that there's something in your air that shouldn't be there.

[00:03:36] Dave Jones: Yeah. So yes, bacon cookies, like, please, I wanted, but no that, like, that's not good. You've got little kids, like they're breathing these fumes like, this is not good. We should get rid of that. Uh, you know, take 'em outside and smell 'em. Yeah. There we go. I dunno. That's better.

[00:03:49] Eric Goranson: Okay. Sure. I mean, if they're in front of you, you're smell 'em the spot you're getting ready to consume it.

[00:03:53] Dave Jones: Absolutely. But you know,

[00:03:54] Eric Goranson: that's the thing. And it's, it's such a misconception out there. Yeah. And I mean, We have legislation [00:04:00] issues out there in certain states. Sure. Because my personal belief is that every house should have a working ventilation

[00:04:06] Dave Jones: hood. Yes. That goes outside the

[00:04:07] Eric Goranson: building. Yes. And I don't understand that even in my state where they, if I do a rebuttal and I pull a building permit, guess what?

[00:04:14] Eric Goranson: That has to be a hood that vents outside. Yep. I could still go into a home center. Yep. And

[00:04:18] Dave Jones: buy, and they'll, they'll, Hey, don't,

[00:04:20] Eric Goranson: don't worry about that duct. I'm gonna give you a recirculating. And I'm like, you know, a recirculating hood is about as smart as a recirculating

[00:04:26] Dave Jones: toilet . You're not getting anywhere.

[00:04:29] Dave Jones: I mean, for the most part Yeah. I, I think we'd argue that if, if, if you've gotta have one, you maybe live in an apartment. Yeah. And that's your best option. Make sure you're changing that filter. Make sure you're, you're treating that right, but then find another way to ventilate the house. Yeah. If you don't have that hood, which you should, it's the right way to do it.

[00:04:42] Dave Jones: Yeah. A hood. Out. I get it. Sometimes you can't do it. Make sure you have something else. Run your bath fan. Right. We don't think about that. Small apartments. Oh yeah. Like usually a small apartment's not gonna have the vented range hood. It's gonna have a recirculating, but run your bath fan, that's gonna be ventilated out code requires that everywhere.

[00:04:56] Dave Jones: Absolutely. There's no such thing basically as a, as a recutting bath fan, [00:05:00] right? No. So run it. Crack a window if you can. Not the best scenario you're bringing in, whatever's outside, but it's probably better than whatever's coming off your range, man. Probably better.

[00:05:08] Eric Goranson: Absolutely. And Bath Ends are a great example of that because I use a ventilation of my house cuz that's one of my next steps is uh, and I just created my own, uh, fresh air intake problem at my house cuz.

[00:05:18] Eric Goranson: I've got a really cool H V A C system carry Infinity. Awesome. Yep. Um, I had my dog door, which was my makeup air except Oh. A little tease for you guys watching the show. My first segment I'm doing on the DIY is I put it in the automatic dog door. Nice. Which is really cool for the dogs, except I just closed up my makeup air.

[00:05:36] Eric Goranson: You sure did.

[00:05:37] Dave Jones: So . Ouch. That's my next issue. All right. Makeup, hair, makeup. I'd love to talk about that. Yeah. Where do you, this you, and I'm surprising you with this question. Where are you putting it? Where are you putting the makeup, air when it comes in? Where are you dumping it? I,

[00:05:49] Eric Goranson: right now I haven't done that yet, so I'm not sure yet.

[00:05:51] Eric Goranson: Where are you gonna dump it? Um, good question. Okay. You know, I have, uh, my, my H V A C system, which is a gas furnace, electric ac Okay. That is in the [00:06:00] garage, but it's really close to the exterior, so I could come in, hook into that system there. Okay. All right. There's some room to do that. Okay. And that would be one.

[00:06:07] Eric Goranson: Um, and there's other places in the house,

[00:06:09] Dave Jones: I can hide it. Okay. Yeah, there's a lot. We've, we've had a lot of conversations around that. It seems to be another one of those topics that no one wants to talk about. Cause it's scary. Yeah. Where do you put, where you put unconditioned air? Yeah. You know, which is what you're doing.

[00:06:19] Dave Jones: Where do you dump that in? We're, we're trying to work on that too. Cause that's, it's a challenge. That's, that's a big challenge. So I'm interested to, to hear about what people are doing with it. And then my house is

[00:06:26] Eric Goranson: even more so cuz I have. 1200 CFM Max Hood in there. Yeah. Yeah. Cause I have a 48 inch inch.

[00:06:33] Eric Goranson: Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, that's, that's hundred basketballs going out the building, that's a lot of air. Where's it coming

[00:06:38] Dave Jones: from? Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:06:40] Eric Goranson: Luckily I don't have any other gas burning. I don't have like a gas, uh, you know, a gas water heater or something that I'm pulling in.

[00:06:46] Dave Jones: Okay. You know?

[00:06:47] Eric Goranson: Okay. I'm not Yep.

[00:06:48] Eric Goranson: Dragging carbon monoxide back in. Yep. But I'm still pulling dirty air from the crawlspace and attic space or something like that. What are you

[00:06:54] Dave Jones: doing for, uh, for fresh air? Do you run an ERV in your house or not yet rv? Not yet. Not yet. Oh, I heard it yet in there. Yeah. It's [00:07:00] going to be happening, so it's good.

[00:07:01] Dave Jones: I know. Happening, you know, I know. We'll talk about that

[00:07:03] Eric Goranson: later. All right. Good. But let's talk about ERVs for a minute. Okay. Because my biggest problem that I had

[00:07:09] Dave Jones: with them,

[00:07:10] Eric Goranson: And one, I hadn't really designed it out yet. It's always one of the things that, okay, that's the next step. Yep. But my biggest problem that I didn't like about 'em is I'm in wildfire country.

[00:07:18] Eric Goranson: Yeah. And in August, September, there could be a week or two Sure. Where we're the worst air quality in the world. Sure, sure. And I didn't want to have something that I was gonna have to manage on my own and go, I know, did I turn that

[00:07:31] Dave Jones: off today? Yeah, no, I totally get it.

[00:07:33] Eric Goranson: And. Me turning it back on again is gonna be the worst part.

[00:07:36] Eric Goranson: Cause

[00:07:37] Dave Jones: I'm gonna forget about it. Right. Or if you're not home to do it when your wife, you're relying on somebody else at the house to handle it. Yeah. So we're, we're taking a look at that, uh, in, in a really big way, a really unique way. And in fact, maybe I, maybe be, I can announce this now. Sure. We are, uh, we won today at Ibis.

[00:07:52] Dave Jones: We won the, um, best indoor product of the entire show for our Overture system, which Oh, manages its problem. So let's jump into that. [00:08:00] Let's jump into that. All right. All right. Okay. So Overture is a system of, you know, it's an automated indoor air quality system. Yeah. And it's a bunch of switches and sensors that go around your house.

[00:08:08] Dave Jones: All the switches have sensors in them. You have sensors you can put in all over your house. You can hardwire 'em, you can plug 'em in, so we can measure air, and we all know about that now, we've. Seen molecules and awares and air things and we've all heard 'em, they're probably here and they make cool products that tell you what's going on.

[00:08:22] Dave Jones: Yeah. And then they tell you, okay, great. Go open your window. But you just told me your problem was there's a forest fire outside. Yeah. I'm not opening my window. Right. Of course not. So what, what's your, what's your solution for that? So what we've done is we've designed the system to work with our fresh air systems to say, wait.

[00:08:34] Dave Jones: There's bad indoor air quality outside. We, we look at the EPAs AQI score, the air quality Index, and if it says, this is no bu oh, we are not, you should not be breathing this. The system will say, Nope, we're gonna go into Recirc mode. Gonna shut down the fresh air supply. We're okay for a little while here.

[00:08:49] Dave Jones: There's enough air in the home. We're not gonna suffocate overnight. Yep. Like we got some time. The system will run and it'll still exhaust things as it needs to, and then it'll bring that fresh air in when the air quality is better.

[00:08:59] Eric Goranson: Yeah. Cuz I'll [00:09:00] pull up on my phone and I'm like, oh. Bright red. That's not a good day today.

[00:09:03] Eric Goranson: You know what I mean? Yeah. And that's where I was like, I'm just not that consistent to trust myself to go, okay, I'm gonna have to manually manage this well,

[00:09:10] Dave Jones: and we're not smart enough. Let's be real like I am. Cuz I work at a company that does heavy air quality. The average consumer, the average homeowner out there doesn't know, my wife doesn't know when to turn on the bath fan.

[00:09:19] Dave Jones: Half the times. Right. Or the range hood always let me be clear. Every time you're in there, turn it on, leave it run for 20 minutes when you're done cooking or in the shower, whatever it is. But anyway, we don't want to think about it. I don't want to think about it. It's just another thing in my day to worry about automated over.

[00:09:33] Dave Jones: Sure. Automates it. Just handles everything for you. Turns on the bath fan. Turns on the range. Hood turns on your fresh air, and then is smart enough to know when not

[00:09:40] to

[00:09:40] Eric Goranson: turn it on. See, that's what I've been waiting for, cuz I have the boxes of Overture sitting at my desk at home. Yeah, yeah. I just gotta have that fresh air system be able to hook that up and make sense.

[00:09:48] Eric Goranson: Yeah. Yeah. And then that will also work with Bath fans

[00:09:51] Dave Jones: and stuff. Absolutely. Yep. It'll trigger your bath hands. So if you're in the shower kids, right. I know you've got some kids that are, that are older and probably, you know, outta high school and probably spend a lot of time in [00:10:00] the shower in high school and never turn the bath fan on.

[00:10:02] Dave Jones: And some people like that. Right. I know you've got a steam shower. Yeah. That's great. Like it's a what a good feeling to just kind of have that warmth envelop you and you just feel really good. But where does that moisture go? Right. And,

[00:10:11] Eric Goranson: well, two things with that. So last year at this show on the way home, we stayed a couple days late in, in uh, Orlando.

[00:10:18] Eric Goranson: What do we bring home? Julie and I bring home Covid from that. Yeah, of course, of course. Cuz we're down with 75 of our closest friends. Right. In a trade show. Right. So those things happened back then. Yep. Now we don't have to worry as much about that, but as we did that, we got home that steam shower, I was taking like two steams and three steams a day.

[00:10:34] Eric Goranson: Oh yeah. Just doing that. Yeah. And it was awesome. And then we added a system in my shower. That's really cool. It's an air drying system. Oh, cool. Oh, air automatic. Yeah. So I, I jump outta the shower. It hit the timer for 20, 40, 60, like one 20 or whatever on it. Yeah. Yeah. And it has 12 air jets that dry it out.

[00:10:51] Eric Goranson: It dried out. But where does that moisture go? Still got somewhere else outside that envelope. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now it's in the

[00:10:56] Dave Jones: rest of the house. Yep. Yep. Yep. So yeah, ventilated. Right. [00:11:00] And it doesn't have to be in the bathroom in that scenario, if it's pushing it out, I mean, you could have it in a room adjacent or next door or whatever it is.

[00:11:05] Dave Jones: Yeah. Right. Just make sure you're ventilating and you know that, right? Yeah. But not everybody thinks about it. Right. We love that feeling. The, the fog near means like, oh, it was warm and it was nice, but man that's causing, Black mold to grow in your walls. You can't even see it. People don't know it. It's almost scary.

[00:11:18] Dave Jones: I almost wanna tell people to knock a hole and look. Yeah, it's scary. And then that, that's not just a health issue, that's a structural issue, right? Yeah. Black mold will eat that wood right up. Eat your, your drywall up and like you've got some serious problems. So

[00:11:29] Eric Goranson: what I did on my showers, I designed it so I have a transom over that moves the pivots smart.

[00:11:33] Eric Goranson: And then my vent fan location is a. About 12 inches from that. Perfect. Yeah. You were Sorry, I just wanted to have a freeway getting

[00:11:39] Dave Jones: right outta there. Yes, Al actually you know what you should put, uh, you should put Overture in and you should put a humidity sensing fan in. Yes. Because it will automatically sense right there at its location specifically cuz it's the room sensor might be in an outlet or hardwired somewhere nearby.

[00:11:54] Dave Jones: Yeah. But not right. There might be another option for you. Yeah.

[00:11:56] Eric Goranson: Because if that fan's working, If the, if that steam [00:12:00] up there and that humidity, right? Yep. If I have it over in the wall where it comes in, right, that I have to bring a lot of humidity in for that, at that location to go, Hey, there, it's gonna go,

[00:12:10] Dave Jones: boom.

[00:12:11] Dave Jones: We call a sea spot ventilation, right? A range hood, a bath fan, a spot ventilation. And when we get another story on that one, Uh, I've got a daughter that's a year and a half old. Yeah. So we have diapers on that. A diaper pale, right? Oh, yeah. Which is awful and terrible and smelly. Yeah. Um, so spot ventilation isn't just for bathrooms, it's not just for your kitchen.

[00:12:27] Dave Jones: You can put it in any room. So I'm gonna put in, we have this product called the 7 44. Okay. Which is a great name. No, it's not. . Uh, for a, for a product that is Secret agent. Secret Agent Who? I like it. Maybe that's the product name. Secret agent. Shit, I like it. Check your mail. Secret engine 7 44. I love it.

[00:12:42] Dave Jones: It's a, uh, it's a recess light. Okay. So it looks like a recess light, so you can put it in any room. In a home where you may not normally have ventilation, you wouldn't want the traditional bath fan. Look, I get it. Totally get it. It's not sexy, right? Yeah, it's not sexy at all. Right? Unless you've got one of those old chrome ones that you were talking about and you're, you know, 1970s.

[00:12:57] Dave Jones: 1970s. I love it. Yeah. Anyway. Anyway, [00:13:00] that recess light is a really cool option for rooms like a nursery or even a bedroom. We lock ourselves in, we might close the door. We don't want the kids running in and out.

[00:13:06] Eric Goranson: The kids' bedroom, the teenager's bedroom. Oh, don't, oh my gosh. Right. I'm not ready. I'm not ready.

[00:13:10] Eric Goranson: I know you're not ready, but for all you teenagers out there, parents, yeah. This could go in and you walk in, you're like, oh my gosh. It smells like a, an old gym in here. Yeah. We gotta fix this. Well, You might not fix that problem,

[00:13:20] Dave Jones: but at least you can ventilate it. You can ventilate it. Yeah. You can get rid of all of those odors at grossness.

[00:13:24] Dave Jones: Yeah, absolutely. We had some, uh, colleague on our team that, uh, has two sons that play hockey. Oh, wow. And I don't know if you know anything about hockey padss and hockey gear. Yes. But that is, it is.

[00:13:35] Eric Goranson: Smell. Oh, it is a sponge.

[00:13:38] Dave Jones: Horrible. Yeah. Uh, so they, they've done the same thing and put in their mudroom. Uh, they actually put our, um, surface shield product, which is a bath fan that has, uh, light in it.

[00:13:46] Dave Jones: An l e d light. Yep. That kills mold, mildew, viruses, bacteria, yeast, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It's not uv. So it's not gonna harm anything. You're not yellowing stuff. Not yellowing stuff. You're not eroding your, uh, your caulk in your shower. Yeah. [00:14:00] Whatever it is. Or in the bathroom. So, uh, they put that in their mudroom to kill off a lot of those odors and to ventilate.

[00:14:04] Dave Jones: Yeah. So we're thinking about spot ventilation more than just the bathroom, which is traditionally where we see it. We're thinking about other rooms and, and ways to hide it, ways to look at it. I gotta show you a picture

[00:14:14] Eric Goranson: here and you guys have to share it up later on social media. But Julie and I go walking.

[00:14:19] Eric Goranson: We go out walking the dog, right? Yep. We're out cruising around. And when we're out doing that, we see neighbors houses and stuff, of course. And I'm gonna show you this picture, brand new house. And these are the glass garage doors. And it's a dry day.

[00:14:33] Dave Jones: That's, uh, that's, that's a little bit of steam on those.

[00:14:35] Dave Jones: Uh, yeah, there, there is

[00:14:36] Eric Goranson: water running down the inside of all of those glass doors.

[00:14:41] Dave Jones: I'm pretty sure that's not supposed to happen. No.

[00:14:43] Eric Goranson: Yeah. No brand new house. You can see it's brand new. Yikes. But it's not raining outside. Yikes. It's not. It's dry. It's dry. So that's scary garage for us in the Pacific Northwest when you have a brand new home that, that is a house that they tore down this last year.

[00:14:57] Eric Goranson: Yep. Built a brand new, It's a multi-million [00:15:00] dollar house right there. Sure.

[00:15:01] Dave Jones: And you've gotta

[00:15:01] Eric Goranson: pull, and they don't even have a car in it yet from the rain. Oh no.

[00:15:05] Dave Jones: And that's an empty garage. I bet you it's, uh, I wonder if it's a condition space or it's at least gotta be finished. It's finished.

[00:15:11] Eric Goranson: All right. It's finished holding in.

[00:15:14] Eric Goranson: But it can't be conditioned because if Oh true. It's being a garage, right? Yeah. Yeah. All of a sudden, if you take the car in there. Oh, I didn't see any other, I mean, it could be conditioned if you had your. System in there. Like you had a Oh, sure. A mini split or something. Oh yeah. They of course didn't do that.

[00:15:28] Eric Goranson: Yeah. It's a spec home. Yep. Yep. So that's the problem is ventilating the garage to me in my area Yeah. Is a huge thing. Because you pull in with a wet car. Yep. You've got this super tight garage. Insulated garage door. That's a lot of moisture. Moisture. And guess what? It has to go someplace. Yep. And it's gonna go mold and all of your boxes and everything else to buy store.

[00:15:47] Dave Jones: Totally. Oh, totally. Well, and and if your house isn't, hopefully it is, but if it's not, it doesn't have a fresh air system, it's not pressurized. You open that garage door and all that moisture and all that mold and whatever is floating in the air is floating right into your kitchen or whatever it is.

[00:15:59] Dave Jones: It's [00:16:00] attached to your, to your garage. There you go. Because Mother

[00:16:01] Eric Goranson: Nature's always trying to balance things out. Sure is. So if you've got the dryer and the moisture, Boom. It's

[00:16:07] Dave Jones: gonna move. Yeah, it's gonna come right in. Oh, we're totally with you. On the garage ventilation, we, we make, um, what we used to just call them attic ventilators, but now they're attic, attic and garage.

[00:16:15] Dave Jones: So if you don't have a finished space or you're able to put one in, we've got solar powered so you can sort of do your passive home if that's what you're looking for, whatever it is. So we have a way to mechanically ventilate and then we've got like in wall or through wall fans that really helped ventilate that.

[00:16:28] Dave Jones: See, we've got a, a guy on our team, his uncle, uh, lives in a town not near where. Not too far from where we're headquartered. Mm-hmm. , uh, and it gets cold. It was minus seven Fahrenheit when I left on Tuesday to come here, dude. Uh, so it feels warm here even though it's in the thirties. Yeah. Uh, but anyway, he had the same issue.

[00:16:44] Dave Jones: He had a, a finished space brought, brought the car in. It was full of snow from a, a sunny snow day that was all starting to melt. And, uh, as it melted, it was running out of the garage as it should. It froze his garage. To the ground. Oh yeah, yeah, of course. I did all that drip again. I [00:17:00] was like, oh, I wonder if that's the same problem.

[00:17:02] Dave Jones: So he was like, so my friend that, uh, my colleague is our product manager for that line, and he was like, I have a solution. Yeah. He was like, why don't, why aren't we doing this in garages? So we tested all of our stuff, we went out out east and did the salt test and whatever it is, course, and you know, did the whole thing.

[00:17:16] Dave Jones: And now we have fans that can work in that space to ventilate and let's be real. It's not just moisture. Most people store their garbage and recycling and gas and oil and paint and all these things that are horrible. That'd come into your house. Oh,

[00:17:27] Eric Goranson: Caroline and I, when we did our first video thing, when her and I were, when she was on this show, of course she looked in the background and goes, why do you have all those things in your garage?

[00:17:36] Eric Goranson: And that was its own show talking about the bad things in Eric's garage. Yeah, yeah. You know, now they're outside in the, in my carport on a shelf. But it was one of those things that

[00:17:44] Dave Jones: it was like, we don't think about it. Right. Cause that's where dad stored, that's where grandpa stored it. That's, this is where else he, I don't want to

[00:17:50] Eric Goranson: freeze.

[00:17:51] Eric Goranson: I'm gonna keep it in there. So it's a little warmer. Totally. And. Oh wow. I am just hyper loading the space with VOCs. We

[00:17:57] Dave Jones: need to think about it. Cuz like I said, it comes, it comes right in. You open [00:18:00] that door, it comes right in, right? I see. So we gotta think about that. So yes, ventilating a garage I think is a really cool idea.

[00:18:05] Dave Jones: And then, like I said, get that, get that erv, get that fresh air system in. You can do it. A less expensive way, uh, a value way, if you will. Yeah. Uh, by putting a supply fan in right site, you just need to mechanically draw air in. No question. To kind of pressurize your house just a little bit. You want like one or two, uh, CFMs, right?

[00:18:22] Dave Jones: Yeah. You want a little more air going out than would be coming in and if there's anywhere that it can come out or in Right. If you don't have a fully sealed passive home. Yeah. Boy, someday

[00:18:29] Eric Goranson: I hope. Yeah. I mean, I've got 1977 house. It's meant to breathe. Right. You know? Right. It's like, all right, well, the aluminum, uh, foil on that old craft insulation has probably got the most, you know, the most insulation outta everything.

[00:18:43] Eric Goranson: But it's, it's literally, you know, I got what's my, uh, weather resistant barrier 30

[00:18:48] Dave Jones: pound felt. That's nailed up. You know, it's just, it sounds about right. It's what it's, yeah. But those are

[00:18:53] Eric Goranson: those things that people don't think about. No, no. And you don't want to pull out next year's Christmas stuff or holiday stuff, and [00:19:00] all of a sudden you're like, wow, this, uh, this white thing that goes around the bottom of the tree's got a lot of black spots on it.

[00:19:06] Eric Goranson: Yep. And even if it doesn't, it's gonna smell like it does, or. Yeah. It's still there anyway,

[00:19:11] Dave Jones: right? Yeah. You can't see a lot of these contaminants. No, you totally can't. Oh, man. You bring up a good point. Uh, basements. Oh, yes. Right. So let's talk about that, uh, dehumidifiers, right? And, and making sure you've got fresh air in your basement.

[00:19:20] Dave Jones: I have, uh, I house I was built in the eighties and it, uh, has finished out basement, which is great. I, that's where my office is. I, it's, I call it my dungeon. Yeah. It's not a man cave. It's a dungeon. Yeah. Cause that's where I do work. Exactly. No dungeon. Anyways, it's a dungeons. Uh, that, that's another spot where, uh, moisture control is, is.

[00:19:35] Dave Jones: Right. Yeah. If you, if you don't have the right drainage outside, I can't help you there. But like, if you don't have the right drainage, you could have mold growing your basement. You could have water leaking in. I've got the, uh, mineral crystals growing on one of my walls. Yep. Previous owners put in a nice patio and did not pitch it far enough.

[00:19:49] Dave Jones: Oh. So I've got some water coming down and so I've got a dehumidifier. Well, yeah. We've got to humidifiers as well that do whole home. And um, I think your point about sort of those yellowing and black spots and [00:20:00] mold and middle growing on Christmas decorations, I literally had that issue and I had to put in a dehumidifier myself from my house because I was having problems with, with moisture.

[00:20:08] Eric Goranson: I can't tell you how many times I was working for a while there helping out a, a. An advertiser years ago on the show. And, uh, they had, uh, a basement, you know, foundation company. Okay. So they did basement waterproofing and stuff like that? Yep. I can't tell you how many places I went into. Maybe it was a lawyer's office and they had the basement of the 1920s house and that's where all the file boxes were.

[00:20:29] Eric Goranson: And I'd get the phone call because they'd be pulling the files out and the, the wall looked like it was a black matte Oh, no mesh, you know. Oh, no. And they had all the files that were all now had been contaminated. all this testing and stuff, and then they had to figure out why is the water coming in?

[00:20:45] Eric Goranson: Right? But it was the same kind of thing. Yeah, that was a humidity issue because it was even across the entire wall,

[00:20:50] Dave Jones: front to back, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So dehumidifier is huge. You have crawl spaces and things like that, right? It doesn't matter where you live. If you've got something that's under the ground level, there's potential moisture issue there at the ground is [00:21:00] wet.

[00:21:00] Dave Jones: All the time. Right? Unless you live in the desert and even then there's still moisture down there. So yeah. I think it

[00:21:03] Eric Goranson: was Nikki Krueger that told me if, uh, if you got grass growing outside, then you probably have a humidity

[00:21:09] Dave Jones: issue that you're not aware of. Oh, yeah, absolutely. A hundred percent. She's pretty smart.

[00:21:13] Dave Jones: She's, you can tell her I said that. Okay. I think she, I think she's pretty smart. Make sure she listens. That's good. Yeah. No, I, I think that's, Totally right. We, we have to pay attention to that. So we, we've, we've now made that part of our whole home ventilation plan, right? We, we've got that product lineup of dehumidifiers and, um, whole home ones, big, giant units.

[00:21:29] Dave Jones: We have something go in wall to get about multi-family and things like that. Maybe you have a condo and, and you're able to do that. It just goes right into your two by four, like construction and you've got humanification. We. Uh, uh, my colleague, uh, my colleague Travis, wow, I can talk today, uh, manages all that stuff and, and he and I were talking and he said, Hey, do you know what shoulder season is?

[00:21:48] Dave Jones: He said, I don't know what you're talking about. And he said, it's spring and fall. He said, where It's maybe too cold to run the air conditioner, but too humid, and so you need it to run. Right. Right. Or it's too hot to run the furnace, but you need it to run. Yeah. Cause you need to [00:22:00] mitigate the moisture.

[00:22:00] Dave Jones: Like that's a really good idea. And I, you, you and I have probably somewhat similar, uh, weather. We might get a little colder than you. Yeah. But there's a lot of humidity. It's, the temperatures are perfect, but a lot of humidity in those seasons. Yeah. That whole dehumidifier. We'll fix that problem. And I think it brings up a point too, that I learned this year, this last year, uh, your air conditioner does not, is not a dehumidifier.

[00:22:21] Dave Jones: No, it's not. Its job. No. But we think it is cuz that's what we use it

[00:22:24] Eric Goranson: for. And I learned this actually this last year and some of the seminars I was teaching cuz I had other experts on there as well. Yeah. Is that, you know, like in Florida and some of these other really hot places, that AC unit might only last you.

[00:22:35] Eric Goranson: There's planned lifespan. Could be a decade. Yeah. Or many other places. It's 10 years, right? Yeah. Yeah. Right. Unless you're changing out for something more efficient. Sure. We won't get into that. But that's kinda that planned lifespan. You can double the life of that by controlling humidity cuz you're taking that load off.

[00:22:48] Eric Goranson: Yes. Cause it's trying to shed all that moisture. Yep. And you've got now a, a less efficient system. Yep. As just trying

[00:22:54] Dave Jones: to shed that. Yeah, actually. And then you can rightsize your system. You don't need a big system. Well, oftentimes we're [00:23:00] putting in, or we're asking our builders or our contractors, well I need a system that's three times bigger cuz I wanted to manage my moisture.

[00:23:05] Dave Jones: Well if you had just put it a dehumidifier, you'd have managed your moisture. Right? And you could have downsized that system. And they're not cheap. Right? Yeah. So, uh, I think that's a really good point. And, uh, I think an er B helps solve some of that too seriously. Right. Cuz there can be some moisture removal there.

[00:23:19] Dave Jones: Or it'll save moisture in the winter when you need to keep it in your house. Yeah. When you've got that humidifier, you know, going on in your system, like you've gotta a carrier, I'm sure you've gotta carry your humidifier built onto that.

[00:23:27] Eric Goranson: I don't, I don't Do you have too much moisture all year? I usually Too much moisture.

[00:23:31] Eric Goranson: Rarely I'll have a, we'll get that winter cold storm that comes in. So I'll have it for a couple days and that's it. Not enough. So what do I do? I just turn on the steam shower. Yeah, yeah, right. . Seriously. And just turn off the bath fan while you're running. I turn the bath fan off, I turn the power off to the bath fan.

[00:23:44] Eric Goranson: I like it. And uh, and, but here's the one thing I realized, oh, this was my mistake. Yeah. Because out in the hallway out there, I've got a really nice smoke detector. Oh no. That smoke detector. I'm sitting there and I turn the steam on, I run over here to get something real quick, and all of a sudden the smoke detectors going off.

[00:23:57] Eric Goranson: Oh. It was full on Blair, like I asked. [00:24:00] What just happened. I go up there and I'm like, that steam's going right into it. Oh no. I was like, oh, come on. Oh, no. I did that to

[00:24:05] Dave Jones: myself. It was just, you know, I'm like, go ahead. Hey, that does steam too. Good to know. You know? Oh, that's good deal. Wow. Yeah, no, I think, uh, I think that mo moisture mitigation, uh, in your home, that humidity is just, it's a huge deal.

[00:24:16] Dave Jones: I mean, it's, it's a comfort thing too. We don't think about that Oh, until we're there and, and we're, we often think it's the temperature that's making us feel better. It really. Moisture in the air that's making it feel good. You can have a 74 degree home with the right humidity. 40%, 40 foot whatever, 50%, and you'll feel great and you could have it.

[00:24:34] Dave Jones: 68 and and 80% of humidity, and it's gonna feel gross.

[00:24:38] Eric Goranson: How many times to our audience out there do you walk in the house and go, man, it feels hot in here. And you look at the thermostat, even a digital light. Yeah. And go, it's 70, right? Wow. Or you walk in and go, man, it's got a chill in here. Yep. And it's 70.

[00:24:53] Eric Goranson: Yep. And that's the

[00:24:54] Dave Jones: exact reason. That's my. That's it in my house, my leaky house in Wisconsin, where, uh, in the winter I keep it at [00:25:00] high sixties and in the summer I keep it at, in the low seventies. And, and they feel drastically different. Right. It feels colder, uh, oftentimes in the winter, even though it's, it's not, I might even turn it up and it still feels colder.

[00:25:11] Dave Jones: Yeah. Cause my air is dry or too warm or whatever. It's too

[00:25:13] Eric Goranson: moist. It's so, you really gotta, as a homeowner out there, I just beg you to watch the humidity. Yeah. Do you know what it is? Yeah. And the easy way. Here's my easy button on that. Just jump on Amazon and pick up one of those weather stations where you have the inside and the outside one.

[00:25:28] Eric Goranson: Oh, sure. That have humidity. Yeah. Because you can go down and put that sensor in that corner of the garage. Yeah. Or that corner of the basement. Yep. Or wherever else. And then you can look at it and go, wow,

[00:25:36] Dave Jones: that's high. Yeah, I got a problem. And see specifically in one area, uh, overture is a good spot for that too.

[00:25:41] Dave Jones: Just thinking about that as you're saying that. You can put an overture sensor in, in every corner of your house, every room of your house. All you did was just put the sensors in, at least know what's going on in your home. Right? Like, understand what's happening. Understand. Okay. I'm gonna go moisture now as you should

[00:25:56] Dave Jones: Where's the moisture? Where's the, where's the Too high. Where's VOCs? You said you have dog, [00:26:00] right? Yeah, I have dog two. Uh, pet dander. We don't see it oftentimes, right? Unless you see that. Sunlight shining through a window. Yep. And you see the floaties. That's also a sign that you have bad indoor air quality.

[00:26:11] Dave Jones: But if you see those floaties, that could be pet dander floating around. Oh yeah. Right. The sensors will pick that up and say, Hey, not only do you have a moisture problem, but you've got stuff floating your air. You've got new carpet that's emitting VOCs. Right. So exactly know what's going on in your home.

[00:26:26] Eric Goranson: I did go too far on trying to clean my air and I had to actually unplug a unit. Not something you guys have done. Yeah. So I'll just say that out there, and I won't use the brand, but it's one of those space age air cleaners. Yeah. Where they come through and they kind of create the ozone. Oh no. Which it, it's not ozone, but it's that.

[00:26:42] Eric Goranson: Oh yeah.

[00:26:43] Dave Jones: I gotcha. I gotcha. Not the ozone,

[00:26:44] Eric Goranson: but it's they creating that hydrogen peroxide particle. Uh, Julie was trying to bake bread and the yeast wouldn't rise in the house. Oh, interesting. She's like, I keep throwing yeast away. What's going on? And all of a sudden the second time that happened, I went, let's go out and do it in the outdoor kitchen and see what happens.

[00:26:58] Eric Goranson: It's 70 degrees [00:27:00] outside, 70 inside. Worked out. Worked out there. Perfectly. Interesting. So now I just unplugged it. Cause I'm like, okay, that's scary to me. Yeah. And there might be signs behind it. I don't know, but I, in my thing, I'm like, ah, I don't like

[00:27:12] Dave Jones: that. Yeah. If I can't cook, yeah. Then that's not an issue.

[00:27:15] Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah. I think that's, uh, I think then ventilation is like key. I know people are, are concerned with what's in their air. We, when we have this whole scare on the pandemic and we now we're talking about. Kitchen range ventilation. Yes. And making sure that's out right. Ventilate, ventilate, ventilate, ventilate.

[00:27:28] Dave Jones: I don't think we think about enough. 8% of people use their range hoods. Right? Like that's crazy low, isn't it? Number right? And And that's the stuff that's floating on in our air. Yeah. There's all kinds of craziness and it's going to affect your cooking. If you've got kinds of junk in your air, your food might taste different.

[00:27:42] Dave Jones: You're gonna smell it differently, right? You're gonna taste it differently.

[00:27:45] Eric Goranson: Who like walking in the. Two hours later after you like had salmon or something. Yeah. Smell or you had some fish and, you know, uh, catfish tonight or whatever. Yeah. And you're like, man, it still smells like fish. And I took the trash out

[00:27:55] Dave Jones: already.

[00:27:56] Dave Jones: Yeah, I know. That means you've got that ventilation. That means you've got that ventilation. Yeah. You, yeah. It's, [00:28:00] it's, it's a huge deal. I, I think, um, I think we really need as a country and, and as homeowners to like, to focus on it and think about it cuz it, it matters. Uh, there's a lot of science out there around how it affects health, how it affects our.

[00:28:12] Dave Jones: Even, even if you don't want to dig into the scientific research or whatever it is, just the way you feel, right? Yes. We, we, we, we feel good when we open the windows, right? Like that's a breath of fresh air, right? Sometimes, unfortunately, it's not always the case, right? We talk about forest fires, pollen. It could be too humid, it could be too cold, too hot.

[00:28:32] Dave Jones: Mechanical methylation. Putting in a system that can actually do it for you will make you feel. I don't care about the science. So if you're not worried about your health and you have perfect health, yeah. And you don't have asthma, whatever, it's, that's fine. But your wellness, your wellbeing, the way you feel every day and your house is cleaner too.

[00:28:46] Dave Jones: Think about your cleaner dusting. Oh my

[00:28:47] Eric Goranson: goodness, right? Gone. You're dusting and you're like, oh my gosh, this house is always dusty. Guess what? That's

[00:28:52] Dave Jones: coming outta the air that you're breathing. That's exactly right. Like I said, those floaties, when the sun floaties comes through, that's the stuff that's the float floaties on left.

[00:28:58] Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:28:59] Eric Goranson: Yeah. And so that's [00:29:00] one of those things. And so like in my house, I, I was, again, when we started doing this, I wanted to have better indoor air quality. Yeah. So I got rid of all the carpets. I have hardwoods or vinyl, it's just like luxury vinyl plank. Yep. You know, first floor, all real hardwoods.

[00:29:12] Eric Goranson: And I have a little robotic vacuum. That's one of the, the LG ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That I go on. I send it out once a day and it grabs dog hair. Yep. And it's not perfect, but it's a good start.

[00:29:23] Dave Jones: Yeah. It, it beats to it yourself, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, automation right, again, I keep bring it back, but overture the, I don't think we talked about my range hood.

[00:29:31] Dave Jones: That's got the infrared sensor. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Let's talk

[00:29:33] Eric Goranson: about this cuz I have, we have a new range hood that came with our range. Yeah. And uh, Julie doesn't like it cuz it sounds like an aircraft taking off. Yeah. You

[00:29:42] Dave Jones: know, it's just what it is. I get it. I mean, it's a small space to move a lot of air. I get it.

[00:29:46] Dave Jones: Yeah, I

[00:29:46] Eric Goranson: get it. But this one shakes and rattles a little bit. Okay. But you know what I mean. It's one of those, you have one that is nearly silent over there. You hear air moving and.

[00:29:55] Dave Jones: It's automatic. Easy button. Automatic. Yeah. I think this automation thing is really where it's going. We want to take this [00:30:00] off of your hands.

[00:30:00] Dave Jones: You shouldn't have to worry about it. Mm-hmm. we talked about earlier. So this range hood has built into it an infrared sensor. It'll sense the heat coming off your cooktop. Doesn't matter what you got. What kind of cooktop? Gas, wood. I don't care. Uh, I don't know if you, nuclear can't get nuclear range. I don't think.

[00:30:13] Dave Jones: That's not yet, right? Not yet. Yet. I heard yet. Wait. Yeah. Okay. All right. Anyway, it'll sense the heat coming off and then say, all right, I'm gonna turn. And it'll turn on and ramp its fan speed up based on the amount of heat coming off. Yeah. So if you're just scr from like making some scrambled eggs. Yeah, you don't, it's not high.

[00:30:28] Dave Jones: You're on low heat, right? Yeah. You don't need it high. It'll only turn onto low. You won't hear it. It's so quiet on its low speed. You won't even know it's on. It'll ramp up to high when you need it, but at that point in time you're probably banging pots and pans and stir and stuff. Anyway, it's a little bit of noise.

[00:30:40] Dave Jones: Probably isn't. Not big a. And then it turns back down. So you're not worried about it. Right. And I think that's the issue that people have is like they turn it on, they turn it on to high, they're doing their stuff, and they walk away and they're setting the table and this thing is blaring in the background.

[00:30:52] Dave Jones: Yeah. This thing will automatically ramp itself down and then turn off. You don't have to touch it. And I got a, a little daughter, she's only 18 months old now, year and a half. I'm gonna say year and a [00:31:00] half. Cause I hate the whole month thing. I know. All right. You're good. I'm gonna have her cooking with me pretty soon when she starts to cook with me.

[00:31:06] Dave Jones: I don't want her reaching over the range. See hot range, boiling water, you know, whatever it is to, to reach up and touch it. You know, we think about people are aging in place and that still want to cook, but you know, arens aren't as stable. Or, we work with a lot of veterans groups and, and we build homes with, uh, homes for our troops.

[00:31:21] Dave Jones: And Gary's seen these foundation. Shout out to both those guys. No man. Talk about.

[00:31:25] Eric Goranson: amazing organizations. Yeah. They do such cool stuff, especially Sinis. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah. That

[00:31:30] Dave Jones: dude's a saint. He's doing so much to get the word out. I love it. They, they, uh, they do a ton of great PR work, a ton of work around that.

[00:31:36] Dave Jones: Homes for our Troops builds a ton of homes. They don't, oh, they, they're silent. Very little. They're very quiet, very quiet. But man, both those organizations are just, Killing it. Yeah. We, um, we wanted to help them so we're providing them with rain hoods that are remote controlled or automated or whatever.

[00:31:51] Dave Jones: It's so they don't have to touch it. We're giving them the overture system so they don't have, have to worry about anything. They don't have to remember, you know what, they got enough on their mind with medical stuff. They've done stuff and

[00:31:59] Eric Goranson: raising in the [00:32:00] family. Why not just make it the

[00:32:01] Dave Jones: easy by? Right.

[00:32:01] Dave Jones: Make it easy. Yeah, exactly. Thank you guys for doing that. Thanks. It's a huge deal. That's,

[00:32:05] Eric Goranson: That's, we lied. It's something that we gotta celebrate. Yeah. Cause that's, I'd love to see companies stepping up for those things because that's, that's what needs to

[00:32:11] Dave Jones: happen out there. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for that.

[00:32:13] Dave Jones: They served us. We, we need to serve them whenever we can. So we're there. So yeah. But Tuck and Ranger,

[00:32:17] Eric Goranson: that's why I didn't, as a kitchen designer 30 years, I didn't like using micro hoods. Oh yeah. Because to me they were a huge safety issue. One, they don't ventilate well.

[00:32:26] Dave Jones: You know, even if they do ventilate out, they don't cover enough of the range.

[00:32:29] Dave Jones: You're missing the first two burners. Yeah. Which is the ones we use most. There's,

[00:32:32] Eric Goranson: yeah. And there's no capture area to it cuz it's, it's like a, it's tiny. It's just like this eight inch part of the vent in there. That's all you get and there's no capture area to it. Yep. And they just don't work. And I have to lean across a, a hot stove to put something in.

[00:32:44] Eric Goranson: Yeah. And if I'm carrying something like a bowl of soup Oh yeah. It's above my eyes many times for many people. Yeah. I'm tall, but you're tall. But. Putting up bringing a hot liquid

[00:32:54] Dave Jones: out of a top shelf for the cabinet isn't the smartest thing to be doing every day. Not smart at all. No, I'm with you. How, how's that?

[00:32:59] Dave Jones: [00:33:00] Uh, you got a 48 inch range. Yeah, that's a pretty big microwave. Oh yeah. No, .

[00:33:05] Eric Goranson: It's two of 'em. Chris . No, no,

[00:33:07] Dave Jones: no. It's very good point. Yeah. I, I think even think about the ranges you have now in people's homes, right? If you're looking at yours now, make sure it comes out far enough that it's gonna capture, right?

[00:33:15] Dave Jones: Yes. That's big and it's not considered getting a new one. Something that does come out far enough to capture off the front, because there's a lot that escapes it. You can't see, you can't see the things in air. That's, that's the problem with indoor air quality. We can't see it. I can see if I have dirty water for the most part.

[00:33:29] Dave Jones: Right. I can't see it. Right on. We've got radar on, in our issue of the country, it's really bad as well too. I have to have a system so I had I come in and test it. Right. That's one thing in your air. Yeah. And we know that it causes cancer and other things clearly. So do all the carcinogens that come off of our range when we're cooking.

[00:33:44] Dave Jones: Right. We know it. But we have to eat. We have to cook. So we're gonna continue to do it. Make sure you ventilate. Yes. It's, it's an equally, uh, horrible issue. Uh, I bring it up, but it, you eat us all. But it's so easy. But that's the thing.

[00:33:55] Eric Goranson: This isn't like, oh, I've gotta change my lifestyle. I gotta do this. It's not like your [00:34:00] doctor going, Hey, you gotta quit eating steaks every week or whatever.

[00:34:02] Eric Goranson: Yeah. This is, Hey, I have a solution that's fairly easy. Someone can install it. Yep. And then it's just gonna keep

[00:34:08] Dave Jones: going and take care of. Totally. That's the beauty of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, and go and listen to the range hoods. Uh, go to your local appliance dealer. Mm-hmm. . I think that's an issue. We talked about the noise, right?

[00:34:17] Dave Jones: Yeah. Go and listen. They should be able to turn 'em on for you. Yeah. And ask about it. How can I get a quieter arrange? What do I need to do to make it quieter? Maybe it doesn't need to run it full power all the time. Sure. That's why these automated hoods are so great cuz it, it'll run what it needs to run.

[00:34:29] Dave Jones: Not whatever button you hit unless you want it there. Yeah.

[00:34:31] Eric Goranson: Like go for it. Yeah. As a kitchen designer, I've seen a trend too, and I just wanna mention this. Yeah. There are so many people out there that'll go and buy the off. Like wood hoods with inserts. Yeah. But the problem is, is that fire code says that that liner that is over that has to cover the cooking surface of the range.

[00:34:49] Eric Goranson: Yes. Yes. So if you have a 36 inch range, you can't put a 36 inch wood hood over it. No. You need to go bigger. Yes. Cause the inside has to be 36, not the

[00:34:58] Dave Jones: outside. That's really good idea. Or [00:35:00] if you're working with a designer, make sure you're asking it. They should know, but make sure you're asking 'em. Make sure that you're involved in that because.

[00:35:05] Dave Jones: Crucial to have good ventilation and to not have a fire in your kitchen. Yeah. And then you clean your vents.

[00:35:10] Eric Goranson: Yeah. Clean your vent. Oh my gosh. Right. Sorry. No, no. That's a great example. When was the last time you cleared the vent? Did you clean that up there and people go, you're to clean it? Yeah. I, I can't say how many people I built luxury kitchens for.

[00:35:23] Eric Goranson: Yeah. And I'd always like to go out a year later and, and see how things are going. Sure. They're kind of warranty the contractor and stuff. And I'd go over to the rainhead and I'd pop and take a look at 'em. Like, you know, there's a little jar or something you gotta clean out out there, right? Yeah. Yeah.

[00:35:34] Eric Goranson: And they look at you in horror and go, what? What? Yeah. What? I know I told you this when we did this. Yeah. But you had so much in your mind. Yeah. You were looking at those beautiful counters

[00:35:42] Dave Jones: I get. Exactly. But again, yeah, do that. No, that's really smart. Most of our, um, our filters are, uh, dishwasher safe.

[00:35:48] Dave Jones: Let's see. So it's super easy, right? This isn't complicated. We're trying to make it super easy cause we want people to use it. We, we really, truly believe that you'll have a better life. Our, our mission is better air, better life. We believe you will have a [00:36:00] better life if you're taking care of your indoor

[00:36:01] Eric Goranson: quality.

[00:36:01] Eric Goranson: Amen. Amen. Now we, we gotta talk about your upgrades. Yeah. To range hoods because, There are millions of people out there Yep. That look up and go, okay, I got the builder. Basic range. Hood. It's Bath, fan Bath, bath fan. Sorry. Thank you. No, you're good. Bath fan. And you look up there and go, okay. I know that's, that's the builder special brand.

[00:36:20] Eric Goranson: Yeah. Yep. That everyone's

[00:36:21] Dave Jones: used. It works for, it does what it needs to 40 years, right? Yeah. Yep. But

[00:36:25] Eric Goranson: they're not the quietest. Nope. They don't move the most air. Nope. And they're not

[00:36:28] Dave Jones: really sexy and they're probably dirty. You probably have buildup of like, you know, toilet paper fuzz and towel fuzz, and god knows what else up

[00:36:34] Eric Goranson: there.

[00:36:35] Eric Goranson: Yeah. Yeah. When was the last time you cleaned that out? Uh, you never, you clean it .

[00:36:39] Dave Jones: Yeah. Right? Yes. See, that's the point. That's that's the point. Yeah. And, uh, so I'll start Yes, you can, you can actually replace them. We'll get to that in a second. Yeah. But I'll say before you, you, you worry about it. The first thing people freak out about is Yeah.

[00:36:50] Dave Jones: But it's really hard to pull down and get. Slot. I know it is. It's horrible. We're working on a better solution for that. We got your backs in the meantime. Don't worry, you're not gonna [00:37:00] break it. If you do, I've got a solution. If you need to change it out, you want to change it out or you broke it, I got a solution.

[00:37:05] Dave Jones: So we have upgrades. You can get 'em at your local hardware store, home Depot, Lowe's, ACE, Menards, it doesn't matter. We are at your, your do it best wherever it is, where there, um, we've got upgrades that you can replace that and, and give it a. Yeah. Or give it a multicolor light or give it a multicolor light and a Bluetooth speaker.

[00:37:22] Dave Jones: See?

[00:37:23] Eric Goranson: Yeah. And that's, and for the people out there, not everybody's handy like you and I that could go out and do that. Right, right. And, and maybe even that bathroom's got a 10 foot ceiling, and you're like, sure. I I am not comfortable doing that. Yep. And things are expensive out there right now in the world.

[00:37:35] Eric Goranson: Yeah. And I understand that. And maybe you can't afford to have the professional come out and do it. Yeah. Yeah. This is a great, I don't wanna use the word bandaid, but it's gonna get. An upgrade. Yeah. To get to the next level. Yes. You really kind of want to have Yeah. But this will really help you take that next

[00:37:49] Dave Jones: step.

[00:37:49] Dave Jones: I think a lot to make it better. Aren't using it cuz they don't like it. It's ugly, it's loud. Uh, we didn't talk about it, but we have a motor upgrade. We call it a quick kit upgrade. Nice. You can replace the actual motor, so it'll go [00:38:00] from. Mo more. Most people have a 50 cfm. Yeah. Is probably underpowered.

[00:38:04] Dave Jones: That's what code was back in the day. Yep. We weren't thinking as well about ventilation or houses were sold leaky like yours. In mine. It really didn't matter. Yeah, it didn't matter. All right. Exactly. But now where we're thinking about it more and you want proper ventilation, so get this upgrade motor, get this quick kit and you can just, it's still a little plate.

[00:38:17] Dave Jones: That is a, that pops out. There's not even a screw. There's no, there's no. You need a screwdriver only just to like bend a little metal tab and that's it. Yeah. And then it pops out. It's a little plug, a regular outlet plug, and you just pop a new one in and now you've got a quieter fan. It'll have 80 cfm, it'll be like 30% quieter.

[00:38:32] Dave Jones: Right. It, it's so much better. Right. So, and that's a simple thing. And I don't have to hire the contractor to come out. Those guys are great, but like, they've got better things to do too. They, they're, they want to help you make sure your whole home is working, not your little powder room. Right. Yeah. So this is an easy one that you can do.

[00:38:47] Dave Jones: And then when you, when you decide that you really want to do something, Then call your guy up and say, Hey, I want that bacteria killing fan. Exactly. Or that Surface Shield. Put that in my basket, please. Yeah, absolutely. Or I

[00:38:55] Eric Goranson: want the one with the, with the big Bluetooth and the Color Light show and all that

[00:38:59] Dave Jones: stuff.

[00:38:59] Dave Jones: Or the Alexa one, [00:39:00] wherever you can yell at it to, uh, tell you the weather or play your podcast or order

[00:39:03] Eric Goranson: more shampoo, which happens. You can go, Hey, play around the house with Eric G on there. Right

[00:39:06] Dave Jones: on your back. You're just gonna miss the shampoo joke. Y'all can't see me? I can't, I can't see the, yep. I don't have any here.

[00:39:11] Dave Jones: Yeah. Well, at least on my head. You've got a,

[00:39:14] Eric Goranson: an epic beard though, my friend. Oh, thank you. I appreciate it. But we have, we, you got a great shampoo.

[00:39:18] Dave Jones: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I gotta shampoo that. Yeah. So anyway. No, it's a great, it's a great option. There's a ton out there. We even make a, the recess light so we can put a light in.

[00:39:25] Dave Jones: That doesn't, I think we talked about that earlier. Yeah. It doesn't look like a fan, right? Yeah. Like there's a lot of options. Find something that works for you. Take a poke around. Visit our website, bro newton.com. Broan newton.com. Take a look. There's some cool stuff, you know, give us a call, give us a ring.

[00:39:38] Dave Jones: I got a podcast coming out too that's gonna talk just about indoor air quality. Come check that out. We have ideas for you. That's gonna

[00:39:44] Eric Goranson: be great. Yeah, that's gonna be great. Yeah. And you guys just have a great booth in here. I mean, thanks. You explained so many different things in here in the visual of that.

[00:39:51] Eric Goranson: Yeah. And especially with with Fresh air systems, you have a lot to talk about here with that. And that's really one of the things I want people to really get out of this. Yep. [00:40:00] Today is ventilation and dealing with that fresh air in your home. Getting it in there. Yep. And getting it where you can control it.

[00:40:06] Eric Goranson: Yep. Yep. Because I tell you what that is the two of the biggest things we deal out there. Totally. All right. Totally. We miss anything today, my friend. No, that's it. I just, thanks for coming by. This is great. Thanks for having me, man. Yeah. This is our annual event, right? It is now, yeah. . Let's keep it rolling.

[00:40:19] Eric Goranson: I love it. Let's keep it going. And I'm looking forward to next year. Yeah. Cause you, every year you guys do something a little bit. Yeah. New. Interesting. And I tell you what, it just keeps expanding. And last year Overture was brand new. Yeah. And now you've what? Well, you actually, let's talk about that for a second.

[00:40:33] Eric Goranson: Okay. You have that. Outlet,

[00:40:35] Dave Jones: right? Yeah. So we've got a hardwired version of it that will now, um, that you can put in any place in your house. You can hardwire it in and it'll sense for everything going on in your home. So put it in every room, put it all over the place, know what's going on in your home.

[00:40:50] Dave Jones: And then, like I mentioned earlier, it's a, it's a best indoor product winner here.

[00:40:54] Eric Goranson: Congrats. Thanks. That is awesome. I appreciate it. That's something I'm proud of. Yeah, that's very, yeah, we're super happy. This is not just a little tiny show. No,

[00:40:59] Dave Jones: this [00:41:00] is miles of, of

[00:41:01] Eric Goranson: show floor. Yeah. I mean, there is literally miles of show floor here and the biggest and the bastard here.

[00:41:07] Eric Goranson: Yeah. And to

[00:41:07] Dave Jones: take home. Yeah. That's pretty essential. That's the show. Yeah. All right. Love it brother. Thanks for coming on today. Yeah, thanks. All right. I'm Eric G.

[00:41:13] Eric Goranson: You've been listening to Around the house