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Welcome to the taboo to Truth podcast, unapologetic conversations about sexuality in midlife.

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I'm your hostess, Karen Bigman, certified life menopause coach, sex educator, and sexual explorer.

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Whether it's a dwindling libido, dry vaginas, challenging erections, or the emotional ups and downs, we're here to talk about it all.

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Ever thought it's just me?

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Well, it's definitely not.

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I'm here to bring the often quiet into the light to create a safe space where no question is too awkward or taboo.

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Together, we are creating a community of support and education where you can learn, share, and laugh about the intricate beauty of sex and midlife.

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We're about to embark on a journey of rediscovery brimming with grace, humor, and endless curiosity.

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Let's tear down those barriers and celebrate the vibrant, evolving world of midlife sexuality together.

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Because, yes, it's okay to talk about it, and yes, it's okay to ask.

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So grab your favorite drink and put me on speaker.

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It's time we broke the silence.

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This episode is an interview with Alyssa Dineen, who is a dating coach, and it is an inspirational episode for all of us who are going back into the dating world.

Karen Bigman

It really resonated with the audience, with me, because she talks about the challenges of trying to figure it out and how she really wanted to just get right back out and start having sex, and the challenge that she faced trying to find a guy who wanted to actually have sex with her.

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So this is a great, fun listen to.

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I hope you'll enjoy it yet again.

Alyssa Interviewer

In that I thought it was so.

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Great, I wanted to replay it for you.

Karen Bigman

Welcome to the Taboo to Truth podcast, unapologetic conversations about sexuality in midlife.

Karen Bigman

I'm your hostess, Karen Bigman, certified life and menopause coach and sexual explorer, your trusted guide through the realms of dry vaginas, hot flashes, and the enigmatic orgasm journey.

Karen Bigman

I'm here to bring the often quiet into the light to create a safe space where no question is too awkward or taboo.

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Whether you're experiencing changes in libido, concerned about navigating your menopausal life, or simply seeking to understand your body better.

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Going to share this journey and it will be brave and open hearted.

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And yes, it's okay to talk about it.

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And yes, it's okay to ask.

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So grab your favorite drink and put me on speaker.

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It's time we broke the silence.

Alyssa Interviewer

I have Alyssa Dineen here today.

Alyssa Interviewer

She is a fashion editor, stylist, art director, and she got divorced at 41 began online dating, which started a really interesting journey of rediscovery.

Alyssa Interviewer

And through this, she found that as a stylist, she was seeing a lot of pictures of people who don't look so great in their profiles.

Alyssa Interviewer

And she was also seeing how challenging it could be to date in general and started a business around that called style my profile and is now helping online daters transform their destinies by taking charge of their profiles and their dating experience.

Alyssa Interviewer

And I'll let her talk a little bit more about how she does that.

Alyssa Interviewer

She is not only an acclaimed stylist and dating expert, but she's been featured in the New York Times, the Today Show, Goop, Oprah Dailey, and she recently launched a book called the Art of Online Dating, which we will put a link to in the show notes.

Alyssa Interviewer

Welcome, Melissa.

Alyssa Dineen

Thank you.

Alyssa Interviewer

Tell us a little bit about how you got here.

Alyssa Interviewer

And I'm going to, you know me, I'm like, straight to the point.

Alyssa Interviewer

Yeah, a little bit of the journey.

Alyssa Interviewer

And then let's talk about the sex part.

Alyssa Interviewer

You don't have to go into great detail how that informed how you approached dating.

Alyssa Dineen

I threw myself into online dating after, I think everybody says when they're getting divorced, I won't have to online date.

Alyssa Dineen

That's not me.

Alyssa Dineen

I won't need to do that.

Alyssa Dineen

But yeah, I did.

Alyssa Dineen

I threw myself in there.

Alyssa Dineen

Didn't really know what I was doing.

Alyssa Dineen

But obviously coming from a photography fashion background, I figured out the photos, navigating, messaging and getting on actual dates was, of course, a whole other can of worms and, but a lot of trial and error.

Alyssa Dineen

But I figured it out.

Alyssa Dineen

I went on nearly a hundred dates.

Alyssa Dineen

And after two and a half years, I met my partner.

Alyssa Dineen

Now we've been together almost seven years.

Alyssa Dineen

I met him online and when I met him, we both realized how challenging it is to online date when you've never done that before.

Alyssa Dineen

I think the younger generations are growing up with online dating or just social media and everything.

Alyssa Dineen

They're just used to all of that coming from long term marriages or relationships.

Alyssa Dineen

Neither of us knew what we were doing and we found each other.

Alyssa Dineen

And I realized there has to be so many more people like us out there that are challenged with online dating and just not knowing where to begin and how to navigate all of it.

Alyssa Dineen

So that's why I started style my profile.

Alyssa Interviewer

All right, I'm going to back up for a minute.

Alyssa Interviewer

100 dates.

Alyssa Dineen

Yes.

Alyssa Interviewer

I've been doing this for a long time.

Alyssa Interviewer

I don't think I hit 100.

Alyssa Interviewer

Did any of those dates or this is, yeah.

Alyssa Dineen

That's including second and third dates.

Alyssa Dineen

Yeah, for sure.

Alyssa Dineen

A lot of first dates.

Alyssa Dineen

A lot of first dates, yeah.

Alyssa Interviewer

I find that can be challenging just getting on the first date.

Alyssa Interviewer

I have a friend who had an excel spreadsheet.

Alyssa Interviewer

Good idea.

Alyssa Interviewer

Really, it is.

Alyssa Interviewer

I think the more you sample, the more you have a chance of finding the right one.

Alyssa Interviewer

And I'm a huge proponent of online dating.

Alyssa Interviewer

I am an online, I'm currently in the online dating world, and so I think it is the way to go.

Alyssa Interviewer

And I'm very excited about what you do because one of the things that I see, I actually take screenshots of a lot of the profiles that make me laugh.

Alyssa Dineen

It's really unbelievable, actually, what some people put up there.

Alyssa Dineen

And you wonder, did you not?

Alyssa Dineen

I guess you didn't run that by anybody before you put that profile up.

Alyssa Dineen

There's definitely some doozies out there.

Alyssa Interviewer

Talk to me, having been through this too.

Alyssa Interviewer

How long were you married?

Alyssa Dineen

I was with my ex for about 18 years.

Alyssa Dineen

We were married for twelve, but yeah, we were together since.

Alyssa Dineen

Since right out of college.

Alyssa Dineen

Yeah.

Alyssa Interviewer

Okay, so you meet a complete stranger that is theoretically vet someone vetted, and you go on a date and things start to heat up and you get interested.

Alyssa Interviewer

How did that first sexual encounter, you don't have to give me, like I said, I don't even know, like, the details.

Alyssa Dineen

I was really unique, as far as anybody I know personally, in that I was really excited to have sex.

Alyssa Dineen

When I got out of my marriage.

Alyssa Dineen

We had a very, it was like a loveless marriage and it was pretty dull by the end of it there.

Alyssa Dineen

So I was really, I, the thought of having sex again with someone new was very, I was really into it.

Alyssa Dineen

I was very excited about that.

Alyssa Dineen

But it was really interesting.

Alyssa Dineen

And if you read my book, I talk all about this.

Alyssa Dineen

I couldn't get anybody to have sex with me.

Alyssa Interviewer

No, there's a first.

Alyssa Dineen

Yeah, it was like, it was really funny.

Alyssa Dineen

It was, it became the running joke with my friends.

Alyssa Dineen

They were like, what is going on?

Alyssa Dineen

I'm like, I must be putting out a very desperate vibe or something because it was just one thing out.

Alyssa Dineen

Every person I tried to, wanted to bring home or go back, go back to their place with, it was like there was always something.

Alyssa Dineen

It was somebody had kids at home or they couldn't get it up, or it was any number of things.

Alyssa Dineen

Like, it was so many different things in a row that I was like, I am jinxed.

Alyssa Dineen

I'm never having sex ever, apparently.

Alyssa Dineen

So it was really funny.

Alyssa Dineen

It took me, like, five months of dating before I could find somebody to have sex with me.

Alyssa Dineen

It was actually.

Alyssa Dineen

It really was almost hilarious by the end of it.

Alyssa Dineen

It was like, are you kidding me?

Alyssa Dineen

How can you not find somebody in New York City as a female?

Alyssa Interviewer

And so what were the reasons that they were.

Alyssa Interviewer

Didn't want or they wanted to be in a relationship?

Alyssa Dineen

The first guy I dated, he was definitely not over his ex wife.

Alyssa Dineen

And every time we were alone, he came up with some reason why he had to leave.

Alyssa Dineen

He had sons that were in high school and college, I think.

Alyssa Dineen

So it wasn't like he had young kids at home or anything.

Alyssa Dineen

I had young kids, but.

Alyssa Dineen

So it was always some reason why he had to get home.

Alyssa Dineen

And that was like a month of that where I was like, I don't know what to say anymore.

Alyssa Dineen

I finally asked him and he was like, no, it's not that.

Alyssa Dineen

It's just I'm not ready to date.

Alyssa Dineen

And I was like, okay.

Alyssa Dineen

So that was that.

Alyssa Dineen

The next person, a friend of mine, set me up with him, and she said, I know you guys aren't going to be right for each other, so this is perfect.

Alyssa Dineen

Like, it was just going to be, like, just somebody to hang out with and have fun with.

Alyssa Dineen

And so he was the one who.

Alyssa Dineen

We went out on a date, he came back to my place, and then it was a flop.

Alyssa Interviewer

Happens to the best of men.

Alyssa Dineen

I know, I know.

Alyssa Dineen

It was nothing.

Alyssa Dineen

It was nothing to do with either one of us.

Alyssa Dineen

It was fine.

Alyssa Dineen

But that was that.

Alyssa Dineen

And didn't see him again.

Alyssa Dineen

Not because I didn't want to.

Alyssa Dineen

I think he was embarrassed and whatever, but.

Alyssa Dineen

And then, yeah, and then it was like I would just go on a series of dates with people where it was just one thing or another that I just couldn't.

Alyssa Dineen

One person set me up with somebody else.

Alyssa Dineen

And, yeah, when he told me, he was like, I just think I want to be friends.

Alyssa Dineen

I.

Alyssa Dineen

This feels weird because we had friends in common.

Alyssa Dineen

Anyway, it was just all these kind of series of unfortunate events that led to me wondering what was wrong with me.

Alyssa Dineen

I really was.

Alyssa Dineen

I was like, I am definitely putting out some weird vibe of some kind.

Alyssa Dineen

Finally I met somebody and.

Alyssa Dineen

And he knew that I had this four or five months of trying to find somebody.

Alyssa Dineen

Yeah.

Alyssa Dineen

And we started calling it losing my second virginity.

Alyssa Dineen

So, yeah, then I finally found somebody, and then he actually blew me off after our first night together.

Alyssa Dineen

So that was not cool.

Alyssa Dineen

At least I ripped off the band, Aidan, and that was done.

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Alyssa Interviewer

So how did you.

Alyssa Interviewer

And this is one of the things that I am super nervous about.

Alyssa Interviewer

How did you deal with STD's with when you had your first sexual encounters?

Alyssa Interviewer

Did you ask?

Alyssa Dineen

I always use.

Alyssa Dineen

We always use protection.

Alyssa Dineen

And, you know, it's interesting because now that I'm coaching, I get asked that a lot.

Alyssa Dineen

Should I have the person get tested ahead of time?

Alyssa Dineen

Should I ask to see the test results?

Alyssa Dineen

And I guess that just wasn't really on my radar at the time, but in hindsight, I should have been doing that.

Alyssa Dineen

But yeah, I just use protection.

Alyssa Interviewer

Yeah, it's interesting because you're not alone.

Alyssa Interviewer

And I'm actually very surprised at how many people like, don't even think twice about it, including young people that I know that don't always think about it.

Alyssa Interviewer

And I just met somebody new and I insisted on.

Alyssa Interviewer

On the tests.

Alyssa Interviewer

And he actually discovered, which is super interesting because this is something that, and this is not what this talk is about, but just on an aside, that he doesn't have herpes simplex two, which is the one that I am terrified of.

Alyssa Interviewer

But he does have hs.

Alyssa Interviewer

Hs one.

Alyssa Interviewer

Hsv one, yeah.

Alyssa Interviewer

Actually common in 70% of the population.

Alyssa Interviewer

Of course he freaked out because he never knew and he never had a cold sore or anything like that.

Alyssa Interviewer

Yeah, super important to be aware.

Alyssa Interviewer

I always say it's not the condom is important, but you want to look and you want to look and you want to smell.

Alyssa Interviewer

If those two things are good, then chances are the condom is adequate.

Alyssa Dineen

I just learned that recently that it's.

Alyssa Dineen

Yeah, like most adults, I think are.

Alyssa Interviewer

Carriers or something and you can transmit it genitally.

Alyssa Interviewer

I actually saw a profile, which kind of brings me to that, where the guy put on it.

Alyssa Interviewer

I'm hsv two positive.

Alyssa Interviewer

I have herpes.

Alyssa Interviewer

And I thought I was very brave.

Alyssa Interviewer

I would want to know if I was with a partner that had it.

Alyssa Interviewer

I don't know whether I would actually get intimate with them.

Alyssa Dineen

That's really interesting that they put that on their profile, huh?

Alyssa Interviewer

Because I know that gay men do tell each other when they're hiv positive.

Alyssa Interviewer

Although today I think you just take a medicine.

Alyssa Interviewer

Certainly back in my day, it was a potentially fatal disease, but still, they're very open about telling each other what they have or what they've been tested for or whatever, where it's just not a thing.

Alyssa Interviewer

Talk about the idea of sex and midlife and what your perceptions were when you started the dating process.

Alyssa Interviewer

I know you said you really wanted sex, but did you worry that your body had changed?

Alyssa Interviewer

You were still younger than I was.

Alyssa Dineen

I was still pretty young.

Alyssa Dineen

But definitely being naked in front of a new person was terrifying at first, but I think that's just because I was with the same person for so long.

Alyssa Dineen

Not so much about my age or anything.

Alyssa Dineen

Most of my clients are there in.

Alyssa Dineen

In their fifties and sixties, and I would say a lot of women, I don't really hear it very often from men, but not because I don't think they feel that way.

Alyssa Dineen

I think they just don't talk about it.

Alyssa Dineen

But women feel they're nervous to do that for the first time.

Alyssa Dineen

Mostly because of the.

Alyssa Dineen

Not vanity, but that issue.

Alyssa Dineen

Not so much the sex part, but more just.

Alyssa Dineen

I can't believe that.

Alyssa Dineen

Seems really scary to be naked in front of somebody new.

Alyssa Dineen

So I talk to people about that a lot, and it is a hurdle.

Alyssa Dineen

But then once you.

Alyssa Dineen

I think once you do that the first time, it's okay.

Alyssa Dineen

I can totally.

Alyssa Dineen

I can handle this.

Alyssa Interviewer

Yeah.

Alyssa Interviewer

I find that the men were.

Alyssa Interviewer

I know.

Karen Bigman

I have.

Alyssa Interviewer

We all have our personal flaws that we're so conscious of.

Alyssa Interviewer

I think they just, like, they just so much want to have sex.

Alyssa Interviewer

They don't really.

Alyssa Interviewer

I've gotten to that place.

Alyssa Dineen

I just.

Alyssa Interviewer

Give me an opportunity.

Alyssa Interviewer

I'm coming in.

Alyssa Dineen

You're not looking at your cellulite or your.

Alyssa Dineen

Your wrinkles or anything like that, that's for sure.

Alyssa Interviewer

And certainly the maturer men, I don't date young men, but they also know you.

Alyssa Interviewer

If you've had children, that they are probably parents themselves and they've seen their ex wives or ex partners.

Alyssa Interviewer

Do you talk to your clients at all about the issues with menopause?

Alyssa Interviewer

I've talked about taking a supplemental testosterone and using vibrators and things like that.

Alyssa Interviewer

And it is always.

Alyssa Interviewer

It's interesting.

Alyssa Interviewer

This person I recently met, it's a very easy conversation, but most of the time.

Alyssa Interviewer

So I just have something to tell you.

Alyssa Interviewer

Before we get that kind of thing.

Alyssa Dineen

I know.

Alyssa Interviewer

Do you coach your clients on how?

Alyssa Dineen

Yeah, I do.

Alyssa Dineen

Mostly I just encourage people to be as upfront as possible, and I think being honest about that and saying, this is my situation right now.

Alyssa Dineen

And again, most men in this age group are also have dealt with it or with their ex wife or whoever or other partners.

Alyssa Dineen

I think that it's not as.

Alyssa Dineen

As big of a conversation as we make it out to be in our heads, but I think it's just good to be upfront and honest and open about how you're feeling, really, with any sexual partner, about anything.

Alyssa Dineen

Not just about menopause, but really about anything.

Alyssa Dineen

And I know it's hard to do that at first, but I think that once you get used to doing that and having more conversations about it, it gets easier.

Alyssa Interviewer

Is it okay to sleep with someone or to have sex however you define sex on the first date?

Alyssa Dineen

Absolutely.

Alyssa Dineen

I hate hearing how many people feel so questioning about whether they should have sex or wait for the third date or whatever.

Alyssa Dineen

I think it's.

Alyssa Dineen

And it does not matter.

Alyssa Dineen

I'm sorry.

Alyssa Dineen

If it's somebody that is, you're meant to be with and you guys are a good match, it doesn't matter if you have sex on the first date or the fifth date.

Alyssa Dineen

It's whatever is going to make you feel comfortable.

Alyssa Dineen

Of course, like, I think if you are into that, then yes, absolutely have sex on the first date.

Alyssa Dineen

When I think that whole thing where women are meant to led to believe that men don't respect you if you have sex right away, that I think, sure, that could happen.

Alyssa Dineen

But it's also if the person is meant to be, if the person is your person, they're not going to care whether you have sex on the first date or not.

Alyssa Dineen

So I definitely am a proponent.

Alyssa Interviewer

I think you really need to know yourself.

Alyssa Interviewer

I go back and forth.

Alyssa Interviewer

I'm a very sexual person.

Alyssa Interviewer

Obviously, you look at my line of work, but I also get very attached when I have sex.

Alyssa Interviewer

As I start talking about this more and more, I've actually started to create a whole.

Alyssa Interviewer

I don't know if it's a campaign or what I'm calling it exactly, but I'm doing talks on the definition of sex.

Alyssa Interviewer

So I'm asking all my guests and starting to ask people, when you say having sex with the person on the first date, what does that really mean?

Alyssa Dineen

For me personally, I think that it means, like, getting very intimate, like your clothes off, oral sex, lots of body, everybody's exploring.

Alyssa Dineen

So whether or not you have actual intercourse.

Alyssa Dineen

I think maybe doesn't really matter in that situation.

Alyssa Dineen

I would say from that point, and then leading into intercourse would be.

Alyssa Dineen

All of that would mean sex to me.

Alyssa Dineen

I feel like if I have actual intercourse with somebody, it feels more like.

Alyssa Dineen

That feels more.

Alyssa Dineen

Okay, I know what you're saying.

Alyssa Dineen

That feels slightly more like maybe I'd be attached to the person in some way.

Alyssa Interviewer

It's an individual thing, right.

Alyssa Dineen

It is.

Alyssa Interviewer

Anything else you want to add about either what you do or, if not, how we all find you?

Alyssa Dineen

You can find me on my website, which is stylemyprofilenyc.com, or on my instagram, which is Alyssa Dineen.

Alyssa Dineen

And then there's another account called style, my profilenyc.

Alyssa Interviewer

All right, well, thank you.

Alyssa Interviewer

This was great.

Alyssa Interviewer

A lot of good information.

Alyssa Interviewer

I'm sure that I'm gonna get lots of questions after this one.

Alyssa Interviewer

It was great to see you.

Alyssa Dineen

Thank you.

Karen Bigman

Thank you.

Alyssa Dineen

Thanks.

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