Welcome to the taboo to Truth podcast, unapologetic conversations about sexuality in midlife.
Karen BigmanI'm your hostess, Karen Bigman, certified life menopause coach, sex educator, and sexual explorer.
Karen BigmanWhether it's a dwindling libido, dry vaginas, challenging erections, or the emotional ups and downs, we're here to talk about it all.
Karen BigmanEver thought it's just me?
Karen BigmanWell, it's definitely not.
Karen BigmanI'm here to bring the often quiet into the light to create a safe space where no question is too awkward or taboo.
Karen BigmanTogether, we are creating a community of support and education where you can learn, share, and laugh about the intricate beauty of sex and midlife.
Karen BigmanWe're about to embark on a journey of rediscovery brimming with grace, humor, and endless curiosity.
Karen BigmanLet's tear down those barriers and celebrate the vibrant, evolving world of midlife sexuality together.
Karen BigmanBecause, yes, it's okay to talk about it, and yes, it's okay to ask.
Karen BigmanSo grab your favorite drink and put me on speaker.
Karen BigmanIt's time we broke the silence.
Karen BigmanThis episode is an interview with Alyssa Dineen, who is a dating coach, and it is an inspirational episode for all of us who are going back into the dating world.
Karen BigmanIt really resonated with the audience, with me, because she talks about the challenges of trying to figure it out and how she really wanted to just get right back out and start having sex, and the challenge that she faced trying to find a guy who wanted to actually have sex with her.
Karen BigmanSo this is a great, fun listen to.
Karen BigmanI hope you'll enjoy it yet again.
Alyssa InterviewerIn that I thought it was so.
Karen BigmanGreat, I wanted to replay it for you.
Karen BigmanWelcome to the Taboo to Truth podcast, unapologetic conversations about sexuality in midlife.
Karen BigmanI'm your hostess, Karen Bigman, certified life and menopause coach and sexual explorer, your trusted guide through the realms of dry vaginas, hot flashes, and the enigmatic orgasm journey.
Karen BigmanI'm here to bring the often quiet into the light to create a safe space where no question is too awkward or taboo.
Karen BigmanWhether you're experiencing changes in libido, concerned about navigating your menopausal life, or simply seeking to understand your body better.
Karen BigmanGoing to share this journey and it will be brave and open hearted.
Karen BigmanAnd yes, it's okay to talk about it.
Karen BigmanAnd yes, it's okay to ask.
Karen BigmanSo grab your favorite drink and put me on speaker.
Karen BigmanIt's time we broke the silence.
Alyssa InterviewerI have Alyssa Dineen here today.
Alyssa InterviewerShe is a fashion editor, stylist, art director, and she got divorced at 41 began online dating, which started a really interesting journey of rediscovery.
Alyssa InterviewerAnd through this, she found that as a stylist, she was seeing a lot of pictures of people who don't look so great in their profiles.
Alyssa InterviewerAnd she was also seeing how challenging it could be to date in general and started a business around that called style my profile and is now helping online daters transform their destinies by taking charge of their profiles and their dating experience.
Alyssa InterviewerAnd I'll let her talk a little bit more about how she does that.
Alyssa InterviewerShe is not only an acclaimed stylist and dating expert, but she's been featured in the New York Times, the Today Show, Goop, Oprah Dailey, and she recently launched a book called the Art of Online Dating, which we will put a link to in the show notes.
Alyssa InterviewerWelcome, Melissa.
Alyssa DineenThank you.
Alyssa InterviewerTell us a little bit about how you got here.
Alyssa InterviewerAnd I'm going to, you know me, I'm like, straight to the point.
Alyssa InterviewerYeah, a little bit of the journey.
Alyssa InterviewerAnd then let's talk about the sex part.
Alyssa InterviewerYou don't have to go into great detail how that informed how you approached dating.
Alyssa DineenI threw myself into online dating after, I think everybody says when they're getting divorced, I won't have to online date.
Alyssa DineenThat's not me.
Alyssa DineenI won't need to do that.
Alyssa DineenBut yeah, I did.
Alyssa DineenI threw myself in there.
Alyssa DineenDidn't really know what I was doing.
Alyssa DineenBut obviously coming from a photography fashion background, I figured out the photos, navigating, messaging and getting on actual dates was, of course, a whole other can of worms and, but a lot of trial and error.
Alyssa DineenBut I figured it out.
Alyssa DineenI went on nearly a hundred dates.
Alyssa DineenAnd after two and a half years, I met my partner.
Alyssa DineenNow we've been together almost seven years.
Alyssa DineenI met him online and when I met him, we both realized how challenging it is to online date when you've never done that before.
Alyssa DineenI think the younger generations are growing up with online dating or just social media and everything.
Alyssa DineenThey're just used to all of that coming from long term marriages or relationships.
Alyssa DineenNeither of us knew what we were doing and we found each other.
Alyssa DineenAnd I realized there has to be so many more people like us out there that are challenged with online dating and just not knowing where to begin and how to navigate all of it.
Alyssa DineenSo that's why I started style my profile.
Alyssa InterviewerAll right, I'm going to back up for a minute.
Alyssa Interviewer100 dates.
Alyssa DineenYes.
Alyssa InterviewerI've been doing this for a long time.
Alyssa InterviewerI don't think I hit 100.
Alyssa InterviewerDid any of those dates or this is, yeah.
Alyssa DineenThat's including second and third dates.
Alyssa DineenYeah, for sure.
Alyssa DineenA lot of first dates.
Alyssa DineenA lot of first dates, yeah.
Alyssa InterviewerI find that can be challenging just getting on the first date.
Alyssa InterviewerI have a friend who had an excel spreadsheet.
Alyssa InterviewerGood idea.
Alyssa InterviewerReally, it is.
Alyssa InterviewerI think the more you sample, the more you have a chance of finding the right one.
Alyssa InterviewerAnd I'm a huge proponent of online dating.
Alyssa InterviewerI am an online, I'm currently in the online dating world, and so I think it is the way to go.
Alyssa InterviewerAnd I'm very excited about what you do because one of the things that I see, I actually take screenshots of a lot of the profiles that make me laugh.
Alyssa DineenIt's really unbelievable, actually, what some people put up there.
Alyssa DineenAnd you wonder, did you not?
Alyssa DineenI guess you didn't run that by anybody before you put that profile up.
Alyssa DineenThere's definitely some doozies out there.
Alyssa InterviewerTalk to me, having been through this too.
Alyssa InterviewerHow long were you married?
Alyssa DineenI was with my ex for about 18 years.
Alyssa DineenWe were married for twelve, but yeah, we were together since.
Alyssa DineenSince right out of college.
Alyssa DineenYeah.
Alyssa InterviewerOkay, so you meet a complete stranger that is theoretically vet someone vetted, and you go on a date and things start to heat up and you get interested.
Alyssa InterviewerHow did that first sexual encounter, you don't have to give me, like I said, I don't even know, like, the details.
Alyssa DineenI was really unique, as far as anybody I know personally, in that I was really excited to have sex.
Alyssa DineenWhen I got out of my marriage.
Alyssa DineenWe had a very, it was like a loveless marriage and it was pretty dull by the end of it there.
Alyssa DineenSo I was really, I, the thought of having sex again with someone new was very, I was really into it.
Alyssa DineenI was very excited about that.
Alyssa DineenBut it was really interesting.
Alyssa DineenAnd if you read my book, I talk all about this.
Alyssa DineenI couldn't get anybody to have sex with me.
Alyssa InterviewerNo, there's a first.
Alyssa DineenYeah, it was like, it was really funny.
Alyssa DineenIt was, it became the running joke with my friends.
Alyssa DineenThey were like, what is going on?
Alyssa DineenI'm like, I must be putting out a very desperate vibe or something because it was just one thing out.
Alyssa DineenEvery person I tried to, wanted to bring home or go back, go back to their place with, it was like there was always something.
Alyssa DineenIt was somebody had kids at home or they couldn't get it up, or it was any number of things.
Alyssa DineenLike, it was so many different things in a row that I was like, I am jinxed.
Alyssa DineenI'm never having sex ever, apparently.
Alyssa DineenSo it was really funny.
Alyssa DineenIt took me, like, five months of dating before I could find somebody to have sex with me.
Alyssa DineenIt was actually.
Alyssa DineenIt really was almost hilarious by the end of it.
Alyssa DineenIt was like, are you kidding me?
Alyssa DineenHow can you not find somebody in New York City as a female?
Alyssa InterviewerAnd so what were the reasons that they were.
Alyssa InterviewerDidn't want or they wanted to be in a relationship?
Alyssa DineenThe first guy I dated, he was definitely not over his ex wife.
Alyssa DineenAnd every time we were alone, he came up with some reason why he had to leave.
Alyssa DineenHe had sons that were in high school and college, I think.
Alyssa DineenSo it wasn't like he had young kids at home or anything.
Alyssa DineenI had young kids, but.
Alyssa DineenSo it was always some reason why he had to get home.
Alyssa DineenAnd that was like a month of that where I was like, I don't know what to say anymore.
Alyssa DineenI finally asked him and he was like, no, it's not that.
Alyssa DineenIt's just I'm not ready to date.
Alyssa DineenAnd I was like, okay.
Alyssa DineenSo that was that.
Alyssa DineenThe next person, a friend of mine, set me up with him, and she said, I know you guys aren't going to be right for each other, so this is perfect.
Alyssa DineenLike, it was just going to be, like, just somebody to hang out with and have fun with.
Alyssa DineenAnd so he was the one who.
Alyssa DineenWe went out on a date, he came back to my place, and then it was a flop.
Alyssa InterviewerHappens to the best of men.
Alyssa DineenI know, I know.
Alyssa DineenIt was nothing.
Alyssa DineenIt was nothing to do with either one of us.
Alyssa DineenIt was fine.
Alyssa DineenBut that was that.
Alyssa DineenAnd didn't see him again.
Alyssa DineenNot because I didn't want to.
Alyssa DineenI think he was embarrassed and whatever, but.
Alyssa DineenAnd then, yeah, and then it was like I would just go on a series of dates with people where it was just one thing or another that I just couldn't.
Alyssa DineenOne person set me up with somebody else.
Alyssa DineenAnd, yeah, when he told me, he was like, I just think I want to be friends.
Alyssa DineenI.
Alyssa DineenThis feels weird because we had friends in common.
Alyssa DineenAnyway, it was just all these kind of series of unfortunate events that led to me wondering what was wrong with me.
Alyssa DineenI really was.
Alyssa DineenI was like, I am definitely putting out some weird vibe of some kind.
Alyssa DineenFinally I met somebody and.
Alyssa DineenAnd he knew that I had this four or five months of trying to find somebody.
Alyssa DineenYeah.
Alyssa DineenAnd we started calling it losing my second virginity.
Alyssa DineenSo, yeah, then I finally found somebody, and then he actually blew me off after our first night together.
Alyssa DineenSo that was not cool.
Alyssa DineenAt least I ripped off the band, Aidan, and that was done.
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Alyssa InterviewerSo how did you.
Alyssa InterviewerAnd this is one of the things that I am super nervous about.
Alyssa InterviewerHow did you deal with STD's with when you had your first sexual encounters?
Alyssa InterviewerDid you ask?
Alyssa DineenI always use.
Alyssa DineenWe always use protection.
Alyssa DineenAnd, you know, it's interesting because now that I'm coaching, I get asked that a lot.
Alyssa DineenShould I have the person get tested ahead of time?
Alyssa DineenShould I ask to see the test results?
Alyssa DineenAnd I guess that just wasn't really on my radar at the time, but in hindsight, I should have been doing that.
Alyssa DineenBut yeah, I just use protection.
Alyssa InterviewerYeah, it's interesting because you're not alone.
Alyssa InterviewerAnd I'm actually very surprised at how many people like, don't even think twice about it, including young people that I know that don't always think about it.
Alyssa InterviewerAnd I just met somebody new and I insisted on.
Alyssa InterviewerOn the tests.
Alyssa InterviewerAnd he actually discovered, which is super interesting because this is something that, and this is not what this talk is about, but just on an aside, that he doesn't have herpes simplex two, which is the one that I am terrified of.
Alyssa InterviewerBut he does have hs.
Alyssa InterviewerHs one.
Alyssa InterviewerHsv one, yeah.
Alyssa InterviewerActually common in 70% of the population.
Alyssa InterviewerOf course he freaked out because he never knew and he never had a cold sore or anything like that.
Alyssa InterviewerYeah, super important to be aware.
Alyssa InterviewerI always say it's not the condom is important, but you want to look and you want to look and you want to smell.
Alyssa InterviewerIf those two things are good, then chances are the condom is adequate.
Alyssa DineenI just learned that recently that it's.
Alyssa DineenYeah, like most adults, I think are.
Alyssa InterviewerCarriers or something and you can transmit it genitally.
Alyssa InterviewerI actually saw a profile, which kind of brings me to that, where the guy put on it.
Alyssa InterviewerI'm hsv two positive.
Alyssa InterviewerI have herpes.
Alyssa InterviewerAnd I thought I was very brave.
Alyssa InterviewerI would want to know if I was with a partner that had it.
Alyssa InterviewerI don't know whether I would actually get intimate with them.
Alyssa DineenThat's really interesting that they put that on their profile, huh?
Alyssa InterviewerBecause I know that gay men do tell each other when they're hiv positive.
Alyssa InterviewerAlthough today I think you just take a medicine.
Alyssa InterviewerCertainly back in my day, it was a potentially fatal disease, but still, they're very open about telling each other what they have or what they've been tested for or whatever, where it's just not a thing.
Alyssa InterviewerTalk about the idea of sex and midlife and what your perceptions were when you started the dating process.
Alyssa InterviewerI know you said you really wanted sex, but did you worry that your body had changed?
Alyssa InterviewerYou were still younger than I was.
Alyssa DineenI was still pretty young.
Alyssa DineenBut definitely being naked in front of a new person was terrifying at first, but I think that's just because I was with the same person for so long.
Alyssa DineenNot so much about my age or anything.
Alyssa DineenMost of my clients are there in.
Alyssa DineenIn their fifties and sixties, and I would say a lot of women, I don't really hear it very often from men, but not because I don't think they feel that way.
Alyssa DineenI think they just don't talk about it.
Alyssa DineenBut women feel they're nervous to do that for the first time.
Alyssa DineenMostly because of the.
Alyssa DineenNot vanity, but that issue.
Alyssa DineenNot so much the sex part, but more just.
Alyssa DineenI can't believe that.
Alyssa DineenSeems really scary to be naked in front of somebody new.
Alyssa DineenSo I talk to people about that a lot, and it is a hurdle.
Alyssa DineenBut then once you.
Alyssa DineenI think once you do that the first time, it's okay.
Alyssa DineenI can totally.
Alyssa DineenI can handle this.
Alyssa InterviewerYeah.
Alyssa InterviewerI find that the men were.
Alyssa InterviewerI know.
Karen BigmanI have.
Alyssa InterviewerWe all have our personal flaws that we're so conscious of.
Alyssa InterviewerI think they just, like, they just so much want to have sex.
Alyssa InterviewerThey don't really.
Alyssa InterviewerI've gotten to that place.
Alyssa DineenI just.
Alyssa InterviewerGive me an opportunity.
Alyssa InterviewerI'm coming in.
Alyssa DineenYou're not looking at your cellulite or your.
Alyssa DineenYour wrinkles or anything like that, that's for sure.
Alyssa InterviewerAnd certainly the maturer men, I don't date young men, but they also know you.
Alyssa InterviewerIf you've had children, that they are probably parents themselves and they've seen their ex wives or ex partners.
Alyssa InterviewerDo you talk to your clients at all about the issues with menopause?
Alyssa InterviewerI've talked about taking a supplemental testosterone and using vibrators and things like that.
Alyssa InterviewerAnd it is always.
Alyssa InterviewerIt's interesting.
Alyssa InterviewerThis person I recently met, it's a very easy conversation, but most of the time.
Alyssa InterviewerSo I just have something to tell you.
Alyssa InterviewerBefore we get that kind of thing.
Alyssa DineenI know.
Alyssa InterviewerDo you coach your clients on how?
Alyssa DineenYeah, I do.
Alyssa DineenMostly I just encourage people to be as upfront as possible, and I think being honest about that and saying, this is my situation right now.
Alyssa DineenAnd again, most men in this age group are also have dealt with it or with their ex wife or whoever or other partners.
Alyssa DineenI think that it's not as.
Alyssa DineenAs big of a conversation as we make it out to be in our heads, but I think it's just good to be upfront and honest and open about how you're feeling, really, with any sexual partner, about anything.
Alyssa DineenNot just about menopause, but really about anything.
Alyssa DineenAnd I know it's hard to do that at first, but I think that once you get used to doing that and having more conversations about it, it gets easier.
Alyssa InterviewerIs it okay to sleep with someone or to have sex however you define sex on the first date?
Alyssa DineenAbsolutely.
Alyssa DineenI hate hearing how many people feel so questioning about whether they should have sex or wait for the third date or whatever.
Alyssa DineenI think it's.
Alyssa DineenAnd it does not matter.
Alyssa DineenI'm sorry.
Alyssa DineenIf it's somebody that is, you're meant to be with and you guys are a good match, it doesn't matter if you have sex on the first date or the fifth date.
Alyssa DineenIt's whatever is going to make you feel comfortable.
Alyssa DineenOf course, like, I think if you are into that, then yes, absolutely have sex on the first date.
Alyssa DineenWhen I think that whole thing where women are meant to led to believe that men don't respect you if you have sex right away, that I think, sure, that could happen.
Alyssa DineenBut it's also if the person is meant to be, if the person is your person, they're not going to care whether you have sex on the first date or not.
Alyssa DineenSo I definitely am a proponent.
Alyssa InterviewerI think you really need to know yourself.
Alyssa InterviewerI go back and forth.
Alyssa InterviewerI'm a very sexual person.
Alyssa InterviewerObviously, you look at my line of work, but I also get very attached when I have sex.
Alyssa InterviewerAs I start talking about this more and more, I've actually started to create a whole.
Alyssa InterviewerI don't know if it's a campaign or what I'm calling it exactly, but I'm doing talks on the definition of sex.
Alyssa InterviewerSo I'm asking all my guests and starting to ask people, when you say having sex with the person on the first date, what does that really mean?
Alyssa DineenFor me personally, I think that it means, like, getting very intimate, like your clothes off, oral sex, lots of body, everybody's exploring.
Alyssa DineenSo whether or not you have actual intercourse.
Alyssa DineenI think maybe doesn't really matter in that situation.
Alyssa DineenI would say from that point, and then leading into intercourse would be.
Alyssa DineenAll of that would mean sex to me.
Alyssa DineenI feel like if I have actual intercourse with somebody, it feels more like.
Alyssa DineenThat feels more.
Alyssa DineenOkay, I know what you're saying.
Alyssa DineenThat feels slightly more like maybe I'd be attached to the person in some way.
Alyssa InterviewerIt's an individual thing, right.
Alyssa DineenIt is.
Alyssa InterviewerAnything else you want to add about either what you do or, if not, how we all find you?
Alyssa DineenYou can find me on my website, which is stylemyprofilenyc.com, or on my instagram, which is Alyssa Dineen.
Alyssa DineenAnd then there's another account called style, my profilenyc.
Alyssa InterviewerAll right, well, thank you.
Alyssa InterviewerThis was great.
Alyssa InterviewerA lot of good information.
Alyssa InterviewerI'm sure that I'm gonna get lots of questions after this one.
Alyssa InterviewerIt was great to see you.
Alyssa DineenThank you.
Karen BigmanThank you.
Alyssa DineenThanks.
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