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Our special guest on the show today is Jeri Tourand. Jeri is a

self love and relationship coach, empowering visionary

souls to bridge Heaven and Earth by embodying their authentic

selves. A former school teacher and radio show host, she is now

a dedicated Zen trilotherapy practitioner, integrating

transformative modalities like ho pono, pono and mindfulness to

awaken self love and inner freedom. Since 2009 she has led

retreats and workshops, guiding deep truth and self love,

helping clients release emotions, trust life's flow and

live fully through Zen, travel therapy and unconditional love.

Retreats, Jeri invites participants to experience

heaven on earth. Her mission inspire you to embrace your

divine essence, express your potential and live a life of

love, vitality and freedom. Hey, hey everybody. I am so excited

about our guests today. I mean, as you know, I'm always excited

about our guests because we bring in the most magical,

special people. And it is no surprise that we have Jerry here

today, because she's one of the most magical people that I know,

and I've had the privilege of knowing Jeri personally now for

it's been a decade. Can you believe it? So I have had the

privilege of watching this woman support people, help people,

share her heart with the world, and so I'm thrilled that she

agreed to come on the podcast today. Thank you, Jeri.

Thank you Deanne. I am so happy to be here, and

you always speak to my heart, and you've you've definitely

been a part of my journey, even when you didn't even realize how

much I was watching you.

Rev. Rose Hope: And the feeling is mutual. Is that so beautiful?

It's like we often don't realize the light we shine on the world.

And so you know, with that being said, you know you have had a

powerful life with some really significant turning points that

have allowed you to get to this beautiful place of being a love

mentor and a love guide for people. So I would love our

audience to hear that story for you. What was it that catalyzed

this journey and allowed you to step into this divine path?

Would you start us off with that?

Yeah, absolutely. It has been a journey, that's

for sure, and I feel like I'm revisiting so much of it again,

like anew. So, yeah, it's very alive in me. And some people

have kind of referred to me as a dark night of the soul doula,

just because I, you know, I have been through some really rough

times, and I remember when I really had no idea who I was, my

my journey. I mean, it's kind of been my whole life, since my

childhood, I always felt like people should just love each

other, like, how can they just not see what's possible here?

And how can people be so mean to one another and how, you know,

and as a school teacher, bullying was always really one

of my, I guess my biggest triggers, wow, is not really

understanding how kids could be so mean, and where does this

come from, and then Starting with those questions, starting

on this whole journey recognizing, you know, that we

really just don't love ourselves, and recognizing that

I was included in that, that I really didn't have any idea how

to love myself, what that even looked like. I thought it was

all about self care, you know, I eat well, I exercise, I'm kind

to people. And after my father died in 2001 of a terminal

illness, I really did start to question everything, and I

started to ask all the deeper questions, why am I here? What

is life all about? Who am I? Careful what you wish for. You

know that started me on on an amazing personal development

journey to find Jerry. Know what? Who is this? What is this,

really? And. I had already recognized that I fell into the

people pleasing category, not really living for myself, but

doing what I thought I had to do in order to survive, in order to

be loved and lovable and all the things. So then I dove into

taking courses and listening to they weren't podcasts back then,

they were teleseminars, like every single day, just traveling

all over North America, going to various retreats, personal

development workshops. And that rattled to the surface

everything that wasn't true about me. Wow, it's actually

quite devastating, because it was just like a whole

dismantling, a whole unraveling of everything I always believed,

wow. And it actually started this dark night of the soul era.

So 2007 I started to question marriage. I started to question

my marriage, my parenting, like everything, my chosen career,

where it just felt like nothing was really me, and I was

questioning whether any of it was aligned, wow. And I ended up

having a full blown anxiety attack where I felt like I was

dying of a heart attack. I couldn't breathe. I had chest

pain. My face went numb, my limbs went numb, my legs went

numb, and I was in and out of the hospital for a couple of

years, having episodes these attacks. I had to quit teaching

because I could barely get out of bed. Wow. I was so scared. I

thought I was gonna die, and I was so worried that my three

daughters were gonna find me dead in the morning because of

the crushing chest pain, the numbness, I didn't know what was

going on, and I wasn't fully convinced that it was an anxiety

panic attack, as the doctors had said, but I was willing to

entertain the idea that it was okay. And I tried everything. I

went to the traditional doctors and naturopathic doctors, a

chiropractic that, I mean, I was juicing non stop. I was painting

my feet with iodine. I, you know, I, and I'd already

identified that there was some sort of autoimmune something

going on here, yeah. And then, ultimately, yeah, I mean, some

doctor said, Okay, you're positive for lupus, mitral valve

prolapse that I had, like, my heart valve got really weak, and

they said it was minor mitral valve prolapse. But I thought,

wow, there's the ultimate not listening to my heart, yeah, and

then my thyroid and I went down to under 100 pounds and like, so

it was very physical, mental, emotional. So I thought, okay,

all of it, yeah, this is like a total breakdown, and nothing

that I was trying was working. Kind of start to question, okay,

so what am I looking for here? I'm obviously attached to you

some kind of a result. Ah, you know, it's not working. It's not

working to get rid of, to change, to fix this part of me

that I'm judging is bad. It's wrong. It shouldn't be here. I

shouldn't be like this. I must have done something wrong. Like

and then I started to hear that voice and how judgy it was, wow,

and how critical it was and recognized, this is not what

love would say.

Rev. Rose Hope: This is not what love would say, yeah.

And then the voice continue just, you know, because

I've, I got to this point of surrender where I finally just,

I remember just kneeling down and sitting in the shower and

just letting the water beat down on me and crying and saying,

like, I can't do this. I can't do this anymore, like take me or

heal me or help me, because I can't see what I can't see. Wow.

Don't know what I don't know. I don't know what else to do, what

else to try? And the answer was just that I received is you have

to love yourself. Wow, it already kind of identified, but

then I was pissed off, because I'm like, right? I'm doing

everything right, like,

Rev. Rose Hope: I'm doing all things.

Yeah, and that I remembered the whole pono, pono

mantra that I, you know, read about and used a little bit. So

the first thing I did was forgive myself for not knowing

how to love myself. And I'd already recognized that what I

was saying to myself, that there was something wrong with me, was

not helping. I. Right? You know, I need to fix this. I need to

change this. And so I decided that I was going to continue

using this whole pono, pono, remembering a course in Miracle

says it's either love or cry for love. Whatever it is is love or

cry for love. So I'm like for love, this numbness, these

aches, these pains, the heart palpitations, this is all a cry

for love. Whoa. And what am I meeting

Rev. Rose Hope: it with resentment, way, frustration,

anger, all the things, right?

Just reinforcing that it's not good enough. It

shouldn't be here, you know, pushing those parts of me away.

And no wonder I was so split. Wow, yeah. And then I started to

and then I got just those, those deep truths, just like, You know

what? You resist, persist, yeah. I'm like, Yeah, I've been

resisting these parts of me. I've been by judging them. And

then I that was a huge light bulb moment where I realized

that judgment is a form of resistance, yes, and what you

resist persists. So I was like, I'm judging it. I'm trying to

fix it, I'm trying to change it. I'm trying to get rid of instead

of welcoming, these parts of me, No wonder I'm not healing, or

whatever I perceived healing to be at the time, which is

completely different now. And so instead of judging, I decided,

what's the opposite? What's the opposite of judging? It's

welcoming. So then I used the whole pono, pono mantra. For all

those different parts of me that were crying for my attention,

wow. And then ultimately, it just boiled down into I'm here.

I love you. I'm listening, wow. So I would meet the heart

palpitations that way. I would meet the fear, the frustration,

the impatience. I'm here for you. You're allowed to be

impatient. You're allowed to be frustrated. I love you. I'm

listening. I love you more. Sometimes I'd ask, wow. And

every night, that was my routine. So it became this self

love ritual, wow, every single night to just do a body scan.

And, yeah, yeah, welcome it all. And then I one day, I noticed,

geez, I haven't had any attacks. I haven't been to the hospital

for a while, and I don't know when the turning point was,

like, it just, you know, it just shifted, yeah, and then within

like, a year, I didn't have any symptoms. Wow. I felt amazing,

and I and so I know that that self love ritual, very being

very committed to myself and to prioritizing myself and

everything that was showing up outside of me, you know, like

people don't prioritize me. I don't matter to anyone. I'm not

good enough, right? That was all, all those beliefs that were

actually causing the external experience of that, right,

reinforcing my beliefs, right? I really do believe that, you

know, our beliefs are out pictured in front of us, and you

know that we're, we're inadvertently the cause of our

experience, right, in our reality, which is a beautiful

gift, yes, because otherwise we wouldn't even see what our

blocks are and what those beliefs are that are, you know,

blocking us from really being the love that we are expressing

it, really Opening to it. And that really did become my

purpose. Wow, was always kind of in me thinking like, Why can't

people just love each other? But then that that split, thank God

for it. Yeah, because I developed the tools that I know

work self love and forgiveness. So first I became a self love

and forgiveness coach, because that's what, what worked to

integrate, that was the those parts Yeah, and heal that rift

between my head and my heart, this, this self judgment,

judging myself and not, not prioritizing myself, yeah? And,

you know, all these things that cause this big split, and where

I didn't trust myself, I kept I had so much self doubt, so we're

seeking outside myself all your time, right? And then so

frustrated and pissed off that it's not working. Yeah, nobody

else does have your answers, Jeri.

Rev. Rose Hope: you have the answer.

gee, who are you? Right? There's a reason that

Guru is spelled that way.

Rev. Rose Hope: Oh, my God, I love that. Yes. Oh, Jerry,

there's so much about your story that I want to talk about. The

first that I want to highlight, because to me, this is such a

potent realization. Is that everything that happens either

comes from love or a cry for love. And I love that you

brought that up from A Course in Miracles, because I think a lot

of times it's very easy for us to see somebody showing up in a

way and being like, what are they doing? How could they be

so? Mean, how could they be this or that? But if we understand it

from the position that that's a cry for love. Oh, boy, does that

ever allow us to step in to support that? So that's the

first thing. The next piece you spoke about was this whole idea

of this like self love ritual and HO pono pono. And I want to

make sure our audience knows what ho pono pono is, and what

your self love ritual was, because I have a feeling that a

lot of people are like, Well, what does it look like to love

myself? Like, what does that even mean? And you said, you

know, I'm eating healthy, I'm exercising, I'm showing my body.

I love it, but yet rejecting these parts of yourself, and I

think that's a big problem for most of us, you know, we love

the juicy, alive, good pieces, and then some of the shadow

pieces of us were like, oh, you know, pushing those away, and

that causes, even on a cellular level, this battle that ensues,

and your body was fighting for your attention, that cry for

help. So would you share with us a little bit about the whole

pono? Pono and your self love ritual?

I love Ho’oponoponoo. It absolutely

changed my life. And so that, you know, it's a Hawaiian

forgiveness mantra process to return us to our original form,

which is love, yeah. And so the four phrases are, I'm sorry,

please forgive me. Thank you. I love you. Those phrases, it's a

frequency, it's a vibration. And some people take it a little bit

too literally, like, I'm sorry. I'm saying I'm sorry to the

perpetrator. Like, but it's not that, like, maybe it's, you

know, I'm sorry for for hating you, for wanting bad things to

happen to you. Like, that isn't who I am. So it's really

returning to that original form, that original self, just like,

you know, the story of Michelangelo and the David, you

know, chipping away at all the blocks until the David revealed

itself. It was already there, right? This love you already are

that already there? Yeah. So, like Rumi says, It's not about,

you know, finding love. It's like seeking for the blocks and

releasing the blocks to the love that you already are. So what is

preventing you from freely expressing being and receiving

this love that's already infinitely present? It's already

here. We just are all blocked up, all these protectors and all

the safety, augmented beliefs,

Rev. Rose Hope: all the stuff, yeah,

totally, it's a whole Ho’oponopono is the is the

one that chips away at that beautiful and just, you know,

I'm sorry for believing that I should be different than I am.

Ah, right. I forgive myself for believing that my mother should

have been different than she was and my father. I forgive myself

for believing that life should be different than it is. Ah,

right? And so there's your resisting. You know, we suffer

in direct proportion to how much we resist, what is

Rev. Rose Hope: yes we let me say that again, we suffer in

direct proportion in resisting, what is

yeah to how much we resist, what is and so what

if we could just welcome what it and the foundation is trust,

right? Trusting that really the universe does have your back,

that the source that I know, Gus, right, what you call it,

God with your sword, you know, really is always supporting you.

It's to grow and evolve and to become more of who you already

are by helping you identify. What are those blocks? What are

those belief systems that are holding you hostage, like we're

holding ourselves hostage we are, and then when we start to

just, you know, acknowledge it, welcome it, apologize to our

inner child for holding on to this hatred, this anger, this

for being mean to ourselves, and, you know, projecting it

onto others, and you know, all this crazy that happens that

isn't even crazy, because it's we were a child when it first

started. So we're innocent and so. Really, you know going back

and embracing your innocence, that we really did the best we

could what we knew, so did our parents and men apologizing.

Geez, I'm so sorry for carrying this for so long, for hurting

myself with this. So we're really, we're not if we're

someone hurt us and did something that wasn't loving

toward us, and we say, I'm sorry, please forgive me. No,

I'm sorry for hating you. I'm sorry to my inner child for

carrying this vibration of anger and hatred that prevented me

from receiving love, that prevented me from moving on. So

it's about freeing yourself to move forward. It's not do they

deserve forgiveness.

Rev. Rose Hope: It doesn't really have much to do with

them. The whole pono pono is for you, for us.

I deserve to be free, yeah. And so I started to

slowly release the blocks through a whole Ho’oponopono

meeting those parts of me that were crying for my love and

attention, whether it was mental anguish, emotional anguish, a

physical ailment or pain, and you know, and apologizing for

whatever I might have done or failed to do, or for not seeing

and not arriving for it sooner, and asking for forgiveness and

then having gratitude, like thank you for showing me you

know like that you are that you're suffering, yeah, and for

helping me to learn how to love you more like every single part

of me. Can I love it? Can I welcome it? Can I bring it back

into my heart

Rev. Rose Hope: and have appreciation for it.

Totally, yeah,

Rev. Rose Hope: that's what I love about this methodology. The

thank you is the receiving, the receiving, the wisdom, the

growth, the knowledge, whatever it was in that experience, even

if we don't exactly know what that is yet.

So like, so I that with each of the phrases like,

Okay, I'm sorry. That's like the frequency, the vibration of

compassion, yes, and responsibility, you know. Please

forgive me. It's like taking your power back. Yeah,

accountability and yeah, you know. And then thank you.

Obviously, we all know that gratitude is is huge to

incorporate some sort of a gratitude or appreciation

practice into your self love ritual. And then, then it's also

completion, you know, thank you, thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

And this is complete, and so it is. And then, of course, love,

right? The highest vibration, this divine, you know,

remembering that we are, that we're not separate than that.

And that really is the healing, right? It's the reuniting with

your truth. So self love is, you know to know thyself is to love

thyself. You already are that, yeah, and so it's actually just

bringing all your parts back into your heart with this

softness, with this compassion and understanding, which is

forgiveness, right? Understanding, how I can

understand how you could be the way that you are given

everything that's happened, how you could get bitter and how you

could carry hatred like, you know, offering some compassion

to those parts and then bringing them into your heart to be

resolved, yeah, and integrated, we come back to this wholeness,

and we start to, you know, recognize that we are, that we

start to experience ourselves as that, as that, oh, that really

is self love, right? Is knowing that you already are, yeah,

love. So it's kind of, you know, I always kind of went from the

top down, a little bit like bringing in that unity

consciousness and connecting with and just unifying, you

know, connect with the trees, connect with whoever's in front

of you. They're the most important person, including you

in the mirror. Yeah, whatever's now. Can we love that can we

welcome that, and can we trust that it's perfect, that

everything is happening perfectly.

Rev. Rose Hope: So here's a question for you, because you

talked about trust being fundamental in part of your

process. So your self love ritual was ho pono pono. You did

that consistently, and that started to shift things, because

you started to love yourself more and so really inviting.

Then what if our trust has been so annihilated? Like, what if,

like, everything that has shown up in our life has been, like,

messy and awful, you know, what are some of the things that you

did to anchor into that trust? Like, how did you know you could

trust again, or what were some of the things that you did to

help you to build that trust muscle?

I didn't know that I could try. So it's interesting

because I realized after what the tools actually were that I

was using, because I started out as Ho’oponopono, right? Yeah.

And then I realized, Oh, my God, this is like, it's a practice

of, like, trusting myself. It's a practice of, it's presence

practice. What if my loving presence is the healer? What if

that's all anybody needs, because my presence is Love, and

Love heals. Love is the ultimate solvent and dissolver of all

that is in love. Yes, so me, just what burned my trust back?

Was it consistent? Showing up for myself? Ah, I love this

answer is, how do you develop trust with anyone? Right time,

quality, time in proximity, getting to know them, listening

and so, yeah, it wasn't like I intended to trust is the

foundation I have to learn to trust. Yeah, it was that. It was

like an accidental discovery that spending quality time with

myself, holding space for myself, listening to myself

showing up consistently at the same time every night before I

went to sleep, that that the parts of me that were that

didn't feel safe to go, that I thought were bad and I needed to

get rid of well, but guess what? They let go of you, but only

when they're loved enough. Yeah, because they're your protectors,

right? And so as soon as they like my consistent showing up,

yeah, then they started to let go. They start to recognize,

okay, I can trust you, yeah? So I started to trust myself, Wow,

and to trust that, wow, life really is happening perfectly

for my growth, for my evolution. And so quality time in

relationship with yourself and with source, right meditation,

sitting in stillness, just being present with what is. Then

you're also developing a trusting, loving relationship

with existence, with life. And so if you have difficulty, if

your trust has been rattled, which most of us, you know, it

has. We went through covid, and let me tell you, it's been

pretty hard to trust anything or anyone. No, yeah, all the scams

and all that. So it's one of my, you know, signature workshops is

how to trust yourself. I love different strategies, but really

that's kind of the foundation. It's just like, consistently

show up for yourself and just listen. Just be there. You're

prioritizing yourself, yeah, yeah, and you're in that trust.

Rev. Rose Hope: I think this is a brilliant response, because

what happens when we do create the space for ourselves and we

do start to listen is that we actually build our confidence.

We actually discover deeper layers of our truth. I mean, the

list goes on when we hold that container for ourselves and

folks. This doesn't need to be hours long. Like this can be

like five minutes, like that whole pono, pono for Jerry,

probably only took her five or 10 minutes every night, you

know, but she consistently created the space for her to be

with herself in a loving embrace, and that naturally

built the trust, you know. I often say faith precedes

evidence, and so whether you knew it or not, Jerry, you know,

you at least were able enough to lean in and say, Okay, I'm just,

I'm going to just do this thing. Oh, wait, now I'm seeing it's

healing me. Oh, now that's really building the trust. And

now I'm going to keep doing it more, and now I'm going to learn

how to facilitate and teach other people how to do it. So it

brings us into that. And so we're like, so anchored in that,

in that trust. So I love that, and thank you for sharing that.

I want to kind of expand a little bit more as a love mentor

and guide. You know, when you are working with people, what

are some of the fundamental pieces like? Are there any like,

few little golden nuggets that you're like? They just need to

know this, they just need to know this, or they just need to

know this. I mean, I know we've covered a bit of some of the

tools that you use, but I'm curious to know if there's stuff

that comes with a service for you. Of like, if I would have

known that back, then it would have changed everything. What

are those things?

Yeah, yeah. There's so many where,

Rev. Rose Hope: like, two or three Max,

yeah, okay, what we perceive is in the way. That

is the way,

Rev. Rose Hope: yes,

whatever reminder, yeah, yeah, whatever we think is

in the way. Go there, like, and welcome, welcome it and sit with

it. And there's, there's some gold in there for you.

Rev. Rose Hope: I love it. Like the obstacles are part of the

path, folks, yeah, so don't be there and are, yeah, right.

Like, most of us are, like, trying to bypass the obstacle,

but it is the. Obstacle that has the golden nugget. I kind of

think about, like, video games when I was a kid, and you'd have

to, like, go over the coins to collect the coins. It's like,

the obstacle is the coin, and you've got to, like, jump on the

coin and get into it in order to receive the value of it. And so

that piece, I think, is so important. Thank you for that.

Yeah, yeah. And then one of my mentors, Derek

rydella, used to say the workshop you've been living is

the one you're meant to be giving. And that comes back over

and over again to me too, because, you know, people say

you find your purpose in your pain and but then people are

locking in pain too. So not necessarily, yeah, but it's so I

really liked more the the workshop that that you've been

living like, what have you overcome? What have you

discovered? And I discovered these tools, and without even

realizing, until many, many years later, that the tools is

an acronym and the foundation, the T is trust, and then the O

is observed. So I learned I started to just like I'd go into

my body and I'd observe the sensations so that I'd know

where to direct my attention. Which is energy, yeah, right,

which is really what was needed, right? Is just a cry for love

and attention. Your attention is your love. It's like it.

Attention energizes, right? Then I became very masterful at just

observing sensations, the constrictions, the where my

energy is flowing freely and where it isn't, yeah, and then

the second Owen tools is open. And so then I would and open to

it that so there's the welcoming, right? So I would

welcome what is welcome. Welcome sadness, welcome guilt, welcome

shame, welcome pain, all the parts what happened, physical,

mental, you know, emotional, so and then open to it. Because

when I was judging it, I was locking it in, that's right. And

so opening to it is like welcoming it, and now it can

move, yeah, and now it can complete and it can let go,

yeah. And so that then I practice with a pen, you know,

practice like observing and opening to this pen,

recognizing, you know, it's made of the same stuff I am. It's all

energy. And then all of a sudden there's this unity where it was

like the separation starts to dissolve between you and a pen

or a tree or a person, or you and yourself, you right? And so

once the separation and you remember, you know that you're

reminded that there is no separation, there is no they,

there is no perpetrator and victim, and things just resolve.

Yeah, right. They dissolve and get resolved as you evolve into

love, as you step into the love that you are. And then so

trusting, observing like trusting that everything is

happening perfectly. This too is life supporting me about

everything, everything that's like my mantra, and then

observing that witness consciousness opening so that

there can be some completion. We don't have everything all locked

up in these judgments and ideas. Now a sudden, we're back to the

space of the space right where healing takes place, the space

of infinite possibility, the space between the notes and

music, the space, right? That that's everything. It's the

biggest part of you, the space in between. And then from there,

the L is love, because it just automatically starts to flow

because you're open. That's it. And love and action is service.

So the S is service in tools, right?

Rev. Rose Hope: Wow, I love that. So you just gave us a full

acronym, trust, observe, open, love and service. Yes, there's

your tools formula everybody for you to take with you and lean

into as part of your self love process, or to apply it to

anything in life. Really couldn't be,

yeah, and that's, you know, it's funny, because it

just keeps in my coaching, like we we always go back to those

tools. I have a whole, you know, six week tools program where we

focus just trust for a week, just observing for a week. The

trial of therapy that I studied with the Zen Buddhist master

really uses all those tools. So it keeps coming back to these

tools that these are the tools to help you to reside in the new

paradigm that is love led, rather than fear based, moving

from ego to soul, moving from fear to love. If you're in a

time of transition, if you're in that liminal space, or my

coaching client today called it

Rev. Rose Hope: purgatory, yeah. So I call that purgatory. Oh,

relationship, Purgatory, work purgatory. There's all sorts of

purgatories we can be in,

you know, let's face it, between then, these are

the tools that will, you know, help you to take that leap, I

guess it is, you know, into what's possible. Yeah? And

remind you that hell like it's it's not that. It's not that far

away. It's actually already here, already here, just losing

the blocks to it and you don't even have it's not even a

release. It's not even like people say, you know, Can you

clear this for me? Can you release this for me? I like it

takes the edge off, yeah? But it's not about clearing it. It's

actually about welcoming it and integrating it, right? Which is,

so we're learning, right? We're learning. We are learning stuff

we've been taught. You know, isn't really the answer, right?

Rev. Rose Hope: Yeah, you know, it's, it's so great that you're

bringing this topic up because, you know, we I still do

clearings in some of my work, but I'm clearing away the extra

sediment, not the stuff that there's still value in it for

them. And I think that's something we see a lot of though

out there is like, people are like, Oh, I'll get rid of that.

I'll get rid of that. It's like, whoa, whoa, let's stop getting

rid of all the gold, because beneath the pole, or whatever it

is you're perceiving that to be, is the gold. That's the value.

And I wanted to add to this too, because you kept bringing up

space. And when we create space, we heal naturally. It doesn't

require hard work. And I think people have this understanding

that healing is hard work. It's not that's that's not the hard

work, that the hard work is creating the space and being to

sit in the space for any length of time, that's the hard part.

So I just felt like I needed to share that

and that, think that is one of you know, those

nuggets too. They bet you know, because I realized by making

that space for myself and creating that space, and it's

uncomfortable as heck to sit with all the the pain and the

and the the grief, like there's so much grief.

Rev. Rose Hope: Oh, so much grief. Yeah,

well, it so, yeah, you have to be willing to be

uncomfortable and and get comfortable being uncomfortable,

because that's a part of the process,

Rev. Rose Hope: part of the mastery too, right? That's part

of our evolution that we're being invited.

Yeah? And one of the realizations for sure, that

I had was, you know, when I was like, Why aren't I healing?

Yeah? Then the answer that came, it's like, well, healing takes

place in your presence, not in your absence. Jerry, you're not

even here, you can't heal in the past. You can't heal the future.

Heal in your busyness. You need to make the space.

Rev. Rose Hope: Yeah. So can't heal in your head either, right?

Like, it's a, like, the whole meal deal. Oh, yeah.

And so then, all of a sudden, there's also this

mantra that came, like, every you know, every time I make the

space, I get it's like healing. I am the space where healing

takes place. Like the space healing takes place, my presence

is that, ah, like, what if that's all anyone needs needs.

Rev. Rose Hope: What if that's all anyone needs?

And here I thought, you know, when I first

started coaching, there was I had to have these tools. I had

to have the answerable things. No, I have to know how to be

present. First, with myself, yeah, number one, base for all

the things that are uncomfortable. And then I can do

that for another. And guess what? It lets go. It starts to

just let go, because there's a safety that we never had just

being formed.

Rev. Rose Hope: So there's the trust. That's it. Yeah, building

that again. I love that you said that. What did you say healing

are I'm creating space for healing to take place. I think

that's like a beautiful affirmation that like I am the

presence creating the space for healing to take place.

I am. Let me be the space where healing takes

place.

Rev. Rose Hope: Yes, let me There we go. Let me be the space

where healing takes place. I love that, Jerry, you have so

much divine wisdom in you. I had the privilege of attending one

of your master classes with the tools acronym that you shared

today. So I'm so glad you shared it, because it was so impactful

for me, and I know we just skim the surface, but I hope all of

you listening have taken notes or digested some of this, at

least, and you can apply it to your day to day, and at minimum,

I hope you feel the love coming from Jerry and me, because

that's certainly a big piece of how I want to show up in the

world, and I know how Jerry wants to show Up in the world.

So Jerry, if our audience is listening and they're saying,

Oh, can we take part in that tools workshop? Or what have you

got in store? What would you like to share with everyone in

terms of next steps?

Yeah, I absolutely. I mean, I do have

the tools program, the five day, one tool a day, that. Is

available. And I'd say the next step, though, is to just book,

you know, book some time with me, and then we can assess what

the best next step is.

Rev. Rose Hope: No fee for this. Jerry's just opening her heart

to all of you, if you resonated with anything Jerry shared. And

I'm telling you, she is one of the most, I would say the most

brilliant facilitators that I know in terms of expressing and

clarity, and I've witnessed that. I've been a student in her

in the Tools workshop, you will not be disappointed. And so I

really want to encourage you to take advantage of that if you

felt some resonance, and that all that contact information, of

course, will be in the show notes for all of you guys, so

that you can explore so complimentary time with Jerry.

Yes, please sign me up, and space is so good. Here's what's

so beautiful about you. Jerry and I recently had an experience

like this. I just want to finish with this story, because it was

really powerful for me. I recently met somebody actually

was Dr, Kevin Preston, I met him in person just a couple weeks

ago, and I did a podcast interview with him. This man

showed up in such love that it reflected back to me the areas

in which I could up the ante on the love for myself. So it was

so brilliant. He didn't do anything particularly other than

show up fully in love with himself, and that unlocked in

me, deeper layers of love for myself. And he's just one

example. You are another one. And so when you get to spend

time with Jerry, as I have, you will unlock new layers of love

for yourself just with her presence. So I wanted to finish

with that. I got goosebumps saying that, and so that's

always my sign that I'm right on track and in speaking truth. So

I hope you can receive that, Jeri, because you unlock layers

of love in me every time I see you on social or we have a

chance to interact. And so it's so powerful. And I think

oftentimes we forget, we forget that just allowing ourselves to

love ourselves has a massive ripple effect, massive ripple

effect. So thank you for loving yourself and helping us to love

ourselves too well.

Thank you, Deanne. I love the way you worded that.

Oh, that was, yeah. I got the chills right along with you.

Yeah. And you are definitely a true speaker. And you, you speak

to my heart, and you open things, and you've, you've

helped me and inspired me so many different ways. I

absolutely love you so much.

Rev. Rose Hope: so much too. So I received that thank you and

for everyone listening, I hope you feel that love like I said,

Thank you for tuning in to another edition of When Spirit

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