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[00:00:00] Welcome to another episode of The Heart Chamber. I am your host, boots Knighton. On today's episode, I interview Carrie Potter. Carrie is a professional yoga teacher, Reiki therapist, sound healer, and co-creator of Greenhouse Yoga and Energy Arts and Teton Valley, Idaho, alongside her husband, Jordan Potter.

Carrie and I have. Incredible conversation about alternative healing when it comes to the heart. She was instrumental in helping me prepare for open heart surgery,

carrie provides some simple tools for us to do at home to relieve symptoms, whether it is physical heart symptoms, or mental or emotional distress. I hope you find this episode helpful. If you do, please subscribe. Also, I'd really appreciate it if you would leave a review.[00:01:00] And if you feel moved, go to the heart chamber podcast.com and make a donation.

Your donation makes a huge difference in helping me keep the podcast going. I'm so excited for you to listen to Carrie and I's conversation, so let's get to it.

suzanne_boots_backup: welcome to the show today, Carrie. Thank you so much for being with me.

kari_potter-backup: Oh my gosh. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here with you.

suzanne_boots_backup: So Carrie Potter and I have been, dear friends, I actually don't know how long it's been this, this amazing flow that we've been in. Several years now. and I first came to know Carrie through yoga in Teton Valley, and then I have also benefited from her husband's Qigong. but then Carrie and I's Friendship continued to blossom beyond that.

And she was a part of my heart [00:02:00] journey at such a pivotal time, actually before I had my open heart surgery. And I was the incredibly lucky recipient of her energy healing as well as her sound healing. And I wanted to bring Carrie on today because I want this podcast to reach listeners far and wide, and you could be a heart warrior in the middle of nowhere and not have access to many caregivers or providers.

And still you can find hope and healing in this podcast. And so I invited Carrie on today to share some of her, her healing with us. And so just thinking back to those months prior to my open heart surgery, when I would come to your beautiful healing space in the middle of Teton Valley, Carrie, let's, let's just dive into that.

kari_potter-backup: yeah, the

suzanne_boots_backup: she laughs

kari_potter-backup: It's pretty [00:03:00] sweet. you know, who knew a pandemic would bring actually so many amazing, beautiful new beginnings through. They're, uh, obviously challenging time for the whole collective, but yes, so we have this greenhouse, 20 feet from my back. That Jordan, my husband, he built, in like 2007 and used to grow food and Zs and, you know, took food to restaurants and, and then he kind of got through that phase of life and it was kind of just like his art studio.

He's an artist, professionally as well. And so, and it was kind of like a storage area. And when, um, COVID happened and the yoga studio we met at, we all met at, closed. He was like, he had the vision like, well we could have, you know, small classes and privates and do zoom out here. And I was oh my gosh, it is just transformative. It's really beautiful space. So he is got a lot of his artwork in it and there's growing, you know, plants and flowers and we like to say that we're growing yogis now . Yeah,[00:04:00]

suzanne_boots_backup: But you still have beautiful flowers in there,

kari_potter-backup: We, we do, there, there's a lot of, we do a lot of plants sitting for our students and clients , so they winter their plants in there, which make it more beautiful. but it is really just been an organically grown space. the, our offerings, it's all just kind of, it's kind of been blooming really just this last year I feel like.

suzanne_boots_backup: Mm-hmm.

kari_potter-backup: Yeah. So people can come, you know, for, we have yoga classes every week and, Chi Gong and, you know, our focus is not only on the physical realm, but, you know, yoga's a holistic practice, so it's gonna touch mental, emotional, spiritual, And we really highlight kind of the blend of the physical body with our subtle energy body.

And that's where Chiang, which you know, literally means energy work. you're doing energy work in Qigong. Um, I bring that into my yoga classes. So we, we really feel like that, is a priority of [00:05:00] teaching people how to connect with their own energy, which means connecting with their own emotions. Cuz emotions are simply energy in motion.

so yeah. And then we have these sound baths that we've been doing, that I've been leading in, bringing in sound healing as well. So really it's about moving energy and um, so that's what the sound does and reiki and the.

suzanne_boots_backup: Yeah. Amazing. And I've just recently, more acquainted with the, the Sound bath. And at first I was like, that sounds a little hokey. I mean, I'm not gonna lie,

kari_potter-backup: Yeah.

suzanne_boots_backup: and I, it's the real deal. And with every different instrument you play, my body has a different experience

kari_potter-backup: Mm-hmm.

suzanne_boots_backup: physically, like Yeah.

And when I leave, I can't do anything the rest of the evening. I just kind of have to sit there and chill and then I sleep so Amazing.

kari_potter-backup: Awesome. Yeah. And so, you know

suzanne_boots_backup: it is really has [00:06:00] become a microcosm of like healing for the valley. Sorry to interrupt, but yeah, it's like it is truly a microcosm of healing.

kari_potter-backup: huh? Yeah. Well I am so grateful to be stepping more into that and sharing that because the, you know, the science of sound is that we're activating the alpha and the sayta brainwaves, which are our access to relaxation and meditation and creativity and our higher self. And so the sounds are doing that in our brain, which is turning on the, you know, parasympathetic nervous system.

And we know, as you know, Americans Western, we all need to chill out and we need to activate our parasympathetic nervous system and actually feel relaxation and especially here in Teton Valley, cuz we all are very active people. We need that balance. so I feel like the sound is really supporting that.

suzanne_boots_backup: Mm-hmm. Yeah. So think speaking of the parasympathetic, [00:07:00] uh, nervous system. So when I was receiving Reiki from you, were you working with that in preparation for my heart surgery?

kari_potter-backup: Working with your nervous system. Absolutely. Oh, oh yeah. Yes. Yeah. Reiki, is

a tool

suzanne_boots_backup: mm-hmm. , so, I'm just thinking back to this, I, I came several times before I left for California and for, you know, Stanford where I had all that testing done and obviously the pandemic ended up shutting down my heart, open heart surgery, and I had to wait a few more weeks. But

those sessions that I received from you, I can recall one in particular, well, all of them were really powerful, but there was one in particular where you played or where you used the singing bowl, the crystal singing bowl

kari_potter-backup: Yeah,

suzanne_boots_backup: with the heart frequency, and I had [00:08:00] a really physically profound experience.

Can we talk about that?

kari_potter-backup: yeah. What do you want me to say about it?

suzanne_boots_backup: All. Everything.

like,

I guess you know, what I'm getting at Carrie is, you know, I want people to understand that like, reiki was such a crucial part of my preparation for surgery, like, and afterwards, but, you know, I've been thinking a lot lately about how did I have such a successful open heart surgery.

I mean, I really did, and I, I was even discharged from the hospital earlier than, you know, than they normally would've discharge a open heart surgery patient. And there was a lot of different factors that went into that. But I truly believe Uur Reiki helped me get prepared and I want listeners to open up their minds to what I [00:09:00] used to think was woowoo reiki.

It's really not. Um, and yeah, and it really should be a part of preparing for and then healing from open heart surgery.

kari_potter-backup: yeah, so Reiki, for those of you, you don't know what it is. you know, it's reiki, it's, it's a life force and key chi energy, so it's about accessing life force energy, which energy is all around us. Everything gives off energy. and that that can be shown and proven and all that. so when you're, when you're working with Reiki, a practitioner like myself, like I'm using my hands, which all of our hands are electromagnetic, biomechanical, or biomagnetic, and give off, uh, frequency.

And so we can use energy with intention. So I feel like reiki is powerful cuz it's also using intentions. The intention is to support healing.[00:10:00] to support someone's, you know, nervous system to support emotional healing, whatever the client's working with. In your case, it was pre this preparation, so it was really about just helping you to feel a sense of peace, confidence in the process and safety.

Really the nervous system wants to feel safety. and when we've had traumatic experiences, it can get, you know, off balance cuz it's not feeling safe anymore. We have to bring in these practices to help, Reiki helps that, that's why Reiki helps with trauma. so you're essentially, it's just, I'm guiding energy flow into the body and it really focuses on, you know, the seven chakras, your energy field, the meridians of the body, through Chinese medicine and so that experience that you had, you know, it was like I was just directing energy flow into your heart.[00:11:00]

Now the bowl brings another type of frequency that's moving energy, through the sound, but also the vibration of the Crystal Bowl is literally moving through your body, your tissues. It works with the water and the body were made up of mostly water and fluids. So that came in and that brought some release for you, which maybe you wanna share more about, but that's kind of a general idea of what Reikis going to do.

And so I do wanna also add, like it's going to bring up any unprocessed emotions that need to come into your awareness to be moved. Energy again, needs to move. Emotions are messengers. They're here to inform you of something and if we judge them, shut them down, stuff them, we're actually creating more of an imbalance within our body.

And so Reikis going to help that process [00:12:00] of movement.

suzanne_boots_backup: Beautiful tha thank you for that explanation and something you said that really just resonated feeling safe in the body, and that was something I was not experiencing at the time.

kari_potter-backup: Before your

surgery.

suzanne_boots_backup: yeah. Um, I felt like my heart was ready to murder me, you know, and, and I mean, it really did not want to murder me, but I just felt so unsafe and I felt like I was a walking heart attack, you know, ready to happen.

And I, from other heart warriors I've spoken with, they experience and report the same. And so I can only imagine had, you know, I not been, you know, the receiver of your love and care and reiki, I wonder how I would've gone into that surgery. because I can't imagine that's, that's helpful to go into a surgery with a jacked nervous system.

kari_potter-backup: yeah. No, [00:13:00] because you're, you know, surgery is another traumatic experience for the body. Even if it's needed and it will support you, it's still a trauma to the body. So to be supporting your nervous system as much before and after, it just seems like key. And it sounds like you felt that, you felt that, that supported you through that.

suzanne_boots_backup: Yeah,

kari_potter-backup: I was,

suzanne_boots_backup: it did.

kari_potter-backup: I also, I remember we also did, like, I did a couple distance reiki for you when you were in the hospital too. And so I just wanna, you know, kind of just share about that because it's hard to wrap our minds around like distance energy work. Like, your hands aren't on my body, or I'm not with you, and how does that work?

And oh, that can't work. And it's like, well if we think about meditation and it, and prayer and how, again, it's intention and intention actually does travel. It's, it's part of our cosmic being and you know, being in this, this world of, we are all connected of [00:14:00] through vibration and energetically. And so I can put the intention toward you, like I did in the hospital as you're telling me about your process.

And, you know, I can set the intention, I can go through your body, I can offer that. , that intention, that healing energy. And it sounds like you had an experience where you're ex, where that process went better than you would've thought. And so it's like, okay, cool. , you know, and other people who are, you know, a lot of times I'm on the phone usually with people.

We weren't. We just edit it, you know, distantly you were doing your own thing. But, it works. All I'm saying is until you have the experience, you don't know until you try it.

suzanne_boots_backup: Right. And, you know, I think some, some listeners might struggle with the word intention, so maybe, um, substitute in the word prayer.

kari_potter-backup: Mm-hmm. . Yeah. I mean, I just, and it's like, it's like your heart's desire. What is your heart's [00:15:00] desire? Put that out there. , you know, our heart has its own nervous system. It is fricking powerful, as you all know, in this even more intentional prayerful heart journey. You've been on

suzanne_boots_backup: Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm.

kari_potter-backup: There's my

suzanne_boots_backup: Well, and you know, and I think I've said this to you over one of our many t dates, but since my heart surgery, I've been turned into even more of a barometer than I already was. And I just can sense anything and everything and yeah, I'm learning to work with that better now and to have, you know, more energetic boundaries.

but for like the first year of going into a room, I could pick up on everybody's energy after heart surgery. It was, it was really uncomfortable.

kari_potter-backup: I bet. Mm-hmm. Yeah. 30 feet out, we can, um, feel into a room with our heart. So good. I'm glad you've been learning some boundaries,

suzanne_boots_backup: Yeah. [00:16:00] And, and before Carrie and I started recording today, I was telling her that she is one of my greatest teachers for. Energetic boundaries and caring for oneself. And, that is another superpower she has. She seems to have a lot of superpowers. and she's actually going to share with us, some healing right now or ways for us to, to, to work with our own energy.

kari_potter-backup: Yeah,

suzanne_boots_backup: don't know if I said that right, Carrie?

Um, correct my words. .I'm still learning how to talk about all of this , so

kari_potter-backup: That was right on. It's perfect.

How do we

suzanne_boots_backup: superpowers and go from there.

kari_potter-backup: I want you all to know that you have superpowers too. And so what you're just saying is we all have the power to work with our own energy.

And so I'm

just gonna offer, it's what

I mean. Talk about empowerment.

suzanne_boots_backup: Mm-hmm.

kari_potter-backup: Um, that's probably been my biggest lesson on my own [00:17:00] health journey, is all the ways that I can support myself in between other people who support me, whether it's doctors or acupuncturists or all these other, this holistic, you know, team.

okay. So the first kind of trick I wanted to share, is called, I don't even wanna tell you what it's called. I just want us to do it first. But what I wanna tell you about is that it's going to calm your nervous system, and it's simply going to be placing one or two fingers. Right at the notch of your throat, under your Adam's apple, right under the, I think it's called, like the sternal notch.

And you're just gonna hold here and you can have your eyes open with a soft gaze or you can close your eyes and you're just going to begin to breathe

suzanne_boots_backup: if our listeners are driving?

kari_potter-backup: So if I actually do this when I'm driving, so don't close your eyes.

suzanne_boots_backup: Oh,

kari_potter-backup: If you're driving, do not close your eyes. But you can have, you know, and if you feel [00:18:00] like, oh, I need both hands on the wheel, then put both hands on the wheel and imagine you have fingers resting here so we can use our mind body connection.

Very powerful visualization. Very powerful. Okay, so just take some slow, deep breaths now in through the nose as you breathe into your belly. And now exhale out the mouth.

And continue to follow the pace of your breath, breathing into your belly, up into your lungs. Exhale slowly out the mouth.

So just continuing to breathe

as you offer this loving touch to your body. And also offer this communication to your nervous system. And you might even say to your nervous system, I am safe. I'm okay. Whatever [00:19:00] resonates with you. But I like, I am safe. That. It goes in deep, and it is the message the nervous system is wanting to feel. while you're holding here, you just keep breathing and you decide when you feel complete, you'll feel a shift, maybe a little bit more calm in your mind.

and you decide when you're like, okay, good. So, this is where you wanna hold when you're feeling, overwhelmed. emotionally, maybe you're in a rabbit hole. Maybe you're just feeling really scattered or anxious. I would say if you are preparing for an open heart surgery or you've just had it and you're recovering, you're going to wanna do this every day and maybe several times a day.

repetition is key to these practices. Like everything else that is beneficial to us, we have to do that over and over. [00:20:00] So you say, oh, I don't feel anything, Carrie, I'm not gonna do this again. I say, do it every day for 30 days. And if you still feel nothing, then don't do it. But I'm fairly certain that you're going to feel , some support.

So this is ju you just go here, like, I do this. If I'm talking to someone and I'm feeling triggered, you know, it's like a lot of times we wear necklaces. I do. And so it's like, it looks like I'm playing with my necklace or I'm scratching my neck, but I'm just kind of holding here. So it's kind of a good trick to just be like, everything's okay.

Even if this, what this person is telling me is triggering me, I can calm my nervous system. Ah, and now I can have a new response to what this person is sharing with me. I use this when I can't get to sleep. so if you know you're laying on your side, you could just hold your fingers, you know, here.

So, this is called the triple warmer hold, but you just call it your nervous system Love point or whatever resonates with you, . [00:21:00] so that's, uh, practice number one. How'd that feel for you?

suzanne_boots_backup: That's beautiful. I felt an immediate shift. And you know, Carrie, I'm wondering for listeners who maybe don't have as much experience working with their nervous system I'm wondering if it will take them a few tries to. To like

get in touch and feel their body. And so I, I, I just wanna encourage you like, it really does work.

Give your body time to respond and it's, this is free. You can do this when you're sitting in front of your doctor as they deliver you tough news. You can do this as you're opening medical bills. Like I found, of all the things that happened over my heart journey, the most difficult part of it were the medical bills and the insurance.

It was way harder than the actual act of getting cut open. And so I, [00:22:00] I could see how just like as you're opening these envelopes with triggering numbers on the page of what you owe, like hold that triple warmer point.

kari_potter-backup: Yeah. Beautifully said.

suzanne_boots_backup: Yeah, I feel totally different. That's so great.

kari_potter-backup: so cool. should I show you some more?

suzanne_boots_backup: Oh, please.

kari_potter-backup: So I think it's important, um, that we know where our heart, meridian.

suzanne_boots_backup: And what's a meridian?

kari_potter-backup: so Meridian. Great question. So me, Meridian is a channel, it's a pathway where energy moves. And in Chinese medicine we have, 14 meridians, main meridians. And they're going to run to our organs and they're going to help, you know, make sure that our organs are healthy as well as they're going to help move emotion.

They're going to work on the subtle energy body, mentally, physically, emotionally, physically, but their channels, I think [00:23:00] of them like they're rivers that run through my body. And if there's like a dam somewhere, like I wanna help move the water through that dam so it can be moving again freely.

suzanne_boots_backup: Great.

kari_potter-backup: Does that make sense?

Okay. Um, how we connect to Meridians, this is we connect, can connect to them through acupressure points, so points on the body where we can access the river channels. So we're gonna access our heart meridian, and I just wanna show like where the river runs and then we're gonna hold a point to move the water.

So, just look at your left hand, at your pinky finger and your heart meridian starts on the tip of the, ring little is what I'm trying to say. Pinky is what I really wanted to say. Pinky finger.

suzanne_boots_backup: Pinky

kari_potter-backup: And it just is going to, it runs down the inside of your hand and it goes inside of the wrist and [00:24:00] it continues all the way down to your elbow.

And then it goes up your bicep and it lands at the chest. So that's just the channel starts from the pinky finger inside the arm to the chest on both, both hands, both arms. Same thing on the right. So, we are now going to hold a point along this heart meridian, and so again, you'll find your left pinky finger and you'll run your fingers down the hand to the inside of your wrist.

And you can put one or two fingers there and you, this arm can be relaxed. You're holding it on your lap, but I'm just showing you're just gonna hold right inside the wrist, bone in line with the pinky finger. And this is heart seven. And as you're holding your fingers here, again, if you can close your eye, we can all be breathing whether your eyes are open or closed.

But we're just gonna hold here and breathe. [00:25:00] You might begin to notice heat or pulsation under your fingers. Our body communicates through its native language of vibration and pulsation that is its language. So with our fingers here, we're communicating to the body. As we breathe, we're turning on the parasympathetic nervous system. And as we hold here, we're helping to calm the mind, invite in relaxation when our overactive thinking has brought on anxiety.

So it's gonna relieve insomnia, it's gonna reduce heart palpitations,

regulate your heart by harmonizing its natural functions, it's gonna balance [00:26:00] emotions and strengthen your spirit.

So with these accu pressure points, we're gonna just hold here and breathe. Light pressure. You're not pressing in, you know, real firmly. It's just light pressure, a connection. So you wanna hold these, you know, in real time, two to three minutes until you feel complete, and then you do wanna go over and do the other. Okay, so you'll go inside the inside of the, the right wrist bone in line with the pinky finger and you'd hold and breathe here.

So again, you could be in conversation with someone, you could be watching your favorite show. You could be sitting and wanting to meditate and wanting some support to enter into that state and hold these points. So that's heart seven [00:27:00] and entry into your own heart reading

suzanne_boots_backup: That was great. It was so great. My cat wanted to, to join.

kari_potter-backup: So she wanted to join.

suzanne_boots_backup: yeah, she's sitting on my lap now.

kari_potter-backup: if you, you know, breathing and intention to move energy, it's powerful. Like we talked about, the prayer visualization's another powerful tool. You can imagine light flowing into this point. Or water, like warm water, you know, just, just a way to like connect into your heart healing.

suzanne_boots_backup: Two things I wanna talk about what you just did. The first one, visualization, the second part, strengthening spirit. So let's start with visualization. I spent quite a bit of time with my, um, mental health therapist before surgery and on my own visualizing the entire [00:28:00] hospital stay from. the day before when I checked in to the heart surgery and then to coming out the other side, healing well, and then being ultimately healed, which I am now.

and I really found that that was also instrumental. and I, visualized my surgeon having a good day. I visualized all the other like assistants in, in the, OR being in a great mood. And then I visualized angels being in the room as well as like my guides and. You know, I, I know that it worked because there was a, another procedure I had before that, which was the heart catheterization, and I had no idea what to expect, and I did no visualization, and I ended up being traumatized for over a year from the heart cath.

But I had no trauma from the open heart surgery, which was obviously way more [00:29:00] invasive. So I'm like the walking example of like, visualization really works.

kari_potter-backup: Yeah.

suzanne_boots_backup: And then the, the other thing I wanted to speak to is strengthening spirit. Now part of me is like, oh, come on. Really, I can like, touch a little part of my wrist and, you know, I'm gonna become like this spiritual warrior, you know, , like, let's talk about that a little bit more.

What do you mean about that?

kari_potter-backup: Hmm.

suzanne_boots_backup: I can tell you that like heart patience, spirits get a little hurt, in the process. And so anything that can buoy our, our spirit and both emotion and mental, is, is so important.

kari_potter-backup: Yeah. Oh gosh. you know, uh, what, talking about this point, um, it's called Achen Achen point or a spirit point in acupuncture, and what I can [00:30:00] understand about it is that it's like a, a gateway point. to our, our spiritual self, the spiritual energy that we connect and tap into that's, bigger and beyond us, but also lives within us, however you communicate or connect or put a name or whatever.

so I feel like it's a reminder that we are also spiritual beings having this human experience in this human body, which to me, at least in just my own, my own health journey, which has not included a heart surgery, but other things, I think remembering that our souls have these experiences for, many reasons.

Some of them we may never know during this life. They might just be a complete mystery. And maybe other, um, other times we do receive the message or we go through like a spiritual awakening when we have illness and injury. , um, I've watched you go through it. you've watched me in my own [00:31:00] experiences.

Every time we go through these really intense experiences and we don't know why they're happening to us, remembering that, there's a, you know, there's a greater reason and purpose and sometimes in the moment that doesn't feel very cozy and comforting and we're just like, well, I just think it's important to remember that we are these multifaceted beans. This isn't just your heart in just its physical form. giving out their, that's one piece, or I don't wanna say giving out, but it's like, it's here to show you something.

There is a less, there are lessons, there are, lessons for you to take away from the experience in the moment. That's hard to always know, but eventually you're gonna see, because you're already walking this Suzanne, that what you went through is now, inspiring you to help others who are going through the same thing.

And so that's a part of the [00:32:00] spiritual path or purpose of our, I guess, suffering. and then we can choose, are we gonna stay in the suffering or are we going to choose to see it as a doorway into our next path of, of who we are. And the last thing I'm gonna add with that is that it just feels like, that every time we go through these experiences, we have layers peeled away that are not true.

We thought we were this person, or this was two of us. And it's like, no, actually let's take that layer off what's really true inside. And I feel like that's where illness and injury lead us to.

suzanne_boots_backup: Ooh,

uh, beautiful and y Oh yes, 100%. And you know, at the beginning of my journey, you know, when I found I had three defects in my heart. I mean, I just took on this persona that I was defective, and I ran with that for months, and [00:33:00] it really put me into a really difficult sticky. Space, that I think, you know, I was, truly believe my, I don't know really what I truly believe in anymore.

I just know that there's a higher power and that I know I'm well cared for. And, you know, I kind of call it the universe. you know, and I want people of all faiths and spirituality to feel comfortable listening to this podcast. And so I honor you, listener, and wherever you're at in your journey. But for me, like I just believed I was just this, like, reject body and blamed my mom who had already passed.

But, you know, hey, I grew in her belly, so like it's her fault. And, you know, I think I, I had to go through all of that because I had to grieve that. All of a sudden, at age 42, I found out that I wasn't perfect. Not that I really felt like I was perfect, but like that the very, like essence of what kept me alive, which was my heart, was [00:34:00] not perfect.

And so I had to work with my spirit. And I remember the times that you did Reiki on me. I left, I, I, the only way I can describe it is when I would leave your house, I would feel like I was vibrating at a much higher level and. If, you know, there was ever an example of our thoughts create our reality.

It was me walking around saying, I'm defective, I'm defective, I'm defective. And then my vibration would get lower and lower and lower. And it's no different than you walk into a room and someone's grumpy. You can feel that and that their grumpiness affects a room versus you walk into a room with like a comedian and the room is just like so happy and it's like buzzing with good energy, right?

And so thankfully you were willing to meet me where I was at. and I would say that that's part of a really effective reiki um, healer, is they're able to meet you where [00:35:00] you're at, and that's you. But we were able to get my spirit to kind of come around and, and get more in alignment. And now I can say, you know, we're recording this on in mid-January, which was around my set two year heart anniversary and which was yesterday.

And I was thinking to myself, wow, that was one of the greatest weeks of my life. And here I was having my chest cut open. I threw up 25 times post sternotomy. And then I had too much of a laxative, which CRO caused another problem, , like it was this epic, you know, five days in the hospital. And I now say it was the greatest week of my life.

And it's just because I think I finally came to the awareness of like what it really means to be alive. And anything that was part of my spirit that was not serving me was literally like, . It literally lifted outta [00:36:00] my body when, when my chest was cut

open

kari_potter-backup: yeah,

suzanne_boots_backup: and it, thankfully, I've been able to keep mostly in alignment since, cuz I, I'm not afraid to go back to that week and look at the pictures that my husband

kari_potter-backup: yeah.

suzanne_boots_backup: It's not that I'm like wanting re to relive it and ringing my wrists. It's, I wanna relive it because it was that amazing of an experience and I just don't think, you know, you hear of open heart surgery as being this horrific thing, but I don't think it has to be, it does not have to be, we do not have to bill surgery as like this ending of your life or like, it, it does not have to be as hard as society makes, it

kari_potter-backup: Mm-hmm.

suzanne_boots_backup: means us. What I think.

kari_potter-backup: Yeah. whew. You just, you know, I just felt that, and I, and I remember you sharing the process of that week and it was just like, literally, like everything that was not of you got cleansed out And so what [00:37:00] I love about you, Suzanne, is that, you know, you'd come to a Reiki session before that and you're just like, I don't feel like forgiving my mom.

I feel like being angry. And I'm like, good. Okay. Be angry then be in your anger. Because what I don't want you to think is that like you need to judge your anger is bad or wrong and you know, stuff it away. But you, you're able to be authentic and just like, this is how I'm feeling. And I think that's why you are where you're at right now.

Because we've talked about, and I know you've brought this up in your blog about like toxic positivity and how like when we're so focused on thinking, well, we just need to feel joy and gratitude all the time, and if we're not, we just need to try harder. You know, whatever the messages out there that you're just like, okay.

that's not the way, the way through to the joy, is through the grief. It's through feeling the anger and feeling the grief, feeling the loss that like, oh, my heart isn't perfect in the [00:38:00] way I thought. Like, that's a loss. Right? you've navigated and come into, more of a, uh, just an opening of feeling those emotions, you know, even like more recently, that is like the bridge to the joy.

Like we think we just have to, we just go to the joy, but it's like, oh, but they're the same coin but just different sides. so I wanna talk about that just in terms of like, energetically our heart and our lungs are. In the heart chakra. So chakra is just this, it's like a circling vortex of energy.

And we have it in our heart and in the chest front side back, it holds our lungs. Our lungs are protecting the heart and the pericardium is around the heart. And so your lungs are here to actually protect your heart. And when we go through the experience of feeling grief and energy is moved there, [00:39:00] our lungs strengthen and it's, and then it's able to protect our heart more.

When we have lungs that are not honoring grief, not feeling it, we're more vulnerable in our heart. That make sense?

suzanne_boots_backup: Wow.

kari_potter-backup: I guess I did want to just

suzanne_boots_backup: Wow. So you're saying that feeling, sorry to interrupt, but you're saying that feeling sad, like allowing, feeling our sadness get protects us.

kari_potter-backup: Yeah, because it's like you're feeling this energy of grief, which in energy medicine is in our lungs. Our grief is held in our lungs, and our heart, when our heart is like healthy vibe and free flowing energy. We feel joy when our joy isn't there. I just, I have had this in my own experience and I, and I also can see how it works with Chinese medicine, energy medicine.

They're one and the same, is [00:40:00] that the heart is strengthened when we feel our grief

suzanne_boots_backup: Wow.

kari_potter-backup: and, so it's a

suzanne_boots_backup: heard it put that way before. incredible. You know, I think of that, that I see a bumper sticker a lot, you know, in like the ski world, and it's like no bad days. And another hashtag, you'll see hashtag no bad days, or there's a bumper sticker. And then, um, another one is another best day. And I, I get like, you know, especially in skiing, people wanna talk about the stoke and get people excited.

And, but I think it, it, it also only continues to perpetuate that, that talk positive, toxic positivity culture that I, you know, write about. that we need to be given the permission to like, you know, have, you know, a boiler plate groomer day and be okay with it.

kari_potter-backup: Yeah. Yes. And [00:41:00] in fact, uh, looking at it as just as important as the powder day, that's a paradigm shift. You know, like the rest day, the day that like, I just need to cry for a little while. I need to rest. I need to just feel the way I'm feeling. and then notice how much better I feel after that. But it's not always easy to access that.

So that's why we go back to like, The nervous system in balance, I feel like is the key to even being able to enter in a little bit more into those emotions. If your nervous system isn't feeling safe, it's not gonna feel safe to feel old grief.

I was just gonna share, we have time, just a couple other accu pressure points in terms of helping moving grief. we've talked about grief, you and I. Because I have, I've had greater access to that emotion in my life based on my soul is here to help clear grief from my own family, ancestral lineage, maybe past lives.

I'm just here to [00:42:00] help move that grief. And so it's more accessible to me. But we've talked about how it hasn't been as accessible for you.

suzanne_boots_backup: Right. I tend to be more of a flame thrower than a crier.

kari_potter-backup: yeah. So, anyways, we've joked before, like I'm here to cry for you and for all the people who don't cry as easily, I'm just, I'm helping to move the energy. were you gonna say something before I show these points?

suzanne_boots_backup: Yeah. Well, I think this is a good segue because, you know, sometimes I, I feel like I lack the courage to really grieve because I want to always have a good day because I want to have fun because I want to experience joy. And if I take a few minutes to cry or even just feel sad, then I feel like I've squandered a day.

kari_potter-backup: Uhhuh.

suzanne_boots_backup: You know, and I'm just thinking, you know, I haven't had a drink in 12 and a half years and, you know, so I [00:43:00] don't like numb through alcohol. I don't do drugs. Sure I might eat a little more chocolate, chocolate than what's, you know, reasonable. But like but I still find that I want to run from grief.

And so, you know, my numbing now is to be busy. and I find that, you know, I'm a pretty courageous being except when it comes time to really feel deep grief and then all courage drains for me. So Do you have like a

kari_potter-backup: Mm-hmm.

suzanne_boots_backup: and I have a feeling I'm not alone in this. I think in fact, I, I'm a little worried that I'm really not alone in this

And so based on, based on what you were just sharing about how when we allow ourselves to feel grief and how that can strengthen the muscles of the heart, and I think I was understanding that correctly. Like that was new to me. Do you have a tool you can give us to even just access our courage before we even allow grief to move through us? Or are these next two [00:44:00] things you wanna show us enough and gentle enough that someone like me who has to quickly like go do something instead of feel my feelings, could like sit my butt in a chair and actually do the exercise

kari_potter-backup: Yeah. Well, there's a lot to say about, you know, when our hands touch our bodies. So like, if you put your left hand over your chest or over your heart and your right hand on your belly, just this hands on, gentle, loving touch. there's something that almost immediately can happen whether you are aware of it the first time you do this or, two months from now.

but this is a calming touch to our nervous system. And again, I just tying it back to just like, slow down, just breathe, take five breaths into the nose, out to the mouth. Ah. so this is where I would start. I would start here. Maybe my fingers grow up to that sternal notch area. I just take, you know, just take a few breaths. [00:45:00] Doesn't have to take long. and then, so that seems to just like, you know, it just slows us down to, to pause and to feel, feel whatever we're feeling.

and then. Crossing your hands at the upper chest here, right into like the corners of the chest. If you just like slide your hands down like a couple inches and your hands are just here, you're just gonna breathe again and you're, you're actually gonna make a connection with your lung points. Now, lung one, to be specific, we're just gonna hold here.

you can press in, you can massage if that feels good, or just hold and breathe.

Now I'm gonna bring in sound and the sound that I'm gonna invite you to try out. As you exhale, your breath is the sound of s like you're.[00:46:00] A snake. All right, so you'll inhale into your belly, exhale, and you can make that s sound a couple more times. Again, that might just feel like that's enough. You're holding and breathing. A lot of times when I go to these points here, I just say, I release now grief from my lungs, and then I breathe in and I exhale, and then I let my hands just slide over my heart. And sometimes I'll bring in that visualization again into my lungs. This time it's just white light pouring into my lungs, and the energy I'm drawing in is peace or acceptance. [00:47:00] So you know, you just choose that word that resonates for you. And this whole practice took about two, maybe three minutes, maybe this activates tears for you, where then you have a little bit more of that water release or tears or cleansing and healing. Maybe you just feel lighter and that's the grief has moved through.

So it's not like we have to cry to release our grief and sadness.

suzanne_boots_backup: Wow. You know, just of those two words, acceptance and peace. peace was more resonant. I think I've fully accepted my journey.

kari_potter-backup: Yeah.

suzanne_boots_backup: I still have a little more peace to make with it all.

kari_potter-backup: Yeah.

suzanne_boots_backup: Mm-hmm. And I think that, you know, a lot of listeners will also resonate with the fact that, once you find out about things with your heart, [00:48:00] and maybe have some of it or all of it corrected.

It doesn't mean that's the end, you know, like they're still monitoring and future, follow up visits with your cardiologist and then, you know, you never get to not think about your heart again. You know, I, I often explain that, you know, I don't walk around thinking about my spleen, or my kidneys, but I definitely think about my heart every day and it's,

kari_potter-backup: Mm-hmm.

suzanne_boots_backup: it takes up a lot of emotional and mental real estate, and so like, learning and it needs to, you know, like I still need to be careful.

And so it's, it's like how do you find the right amount, and all the, all the practices you've shared today. Like, help me to still consider my heart every day,

kari_potter-backup: Thank

suzanne_boots_backup: so that I don't overdo it. But I don't get into a triggered space about it, which has been the problem. So I really, I really like this lung.[00:49:00]

The lung points

kari_potter-backup: Mm-hmm. .Mm-hmm.

suzanne_boots_backup: Yeah, just wanted to explain how I would use that in my personal practice.

kari_potter-backup: Absolutely.

suzanne_boots_backup: Oh, this has been beautiful. Anything else you wanna share with us today?

kari_potter-backup: well, I just thought we would close by, using our own sound. we talked about sound healing and we've talked about, you know, those of you who have never done a sound bath, there's different instruments. Uh, I play singing bowls, drum, there's chimes gong, and then I use my voice and, so that's all great to receive.

And, but for just your own like daily life practices, being able to use your own sound to move energy, move emotions, is uh, just another empowered tool. So I just thought we would close by using a sound. For the heart, a sound that helps, to bring it into balance, to release emotions. [00:50:00] And it's very simple, which I always think is better.

Um, and you could, again, you could choose to put your hands over your heart. Maybe you're feeling tender, you've just had surgery, and that doesn't feel accessible than just put your hands wherever they feel good on your body or by your sides. And the sound that we're going to make on our exhale is the sound of a h.

So we'll inhale into the belly and we'll exhale. Ah,

uh.

Uh, we'll breathe in again. The exhale, the sound of ah, can be any tone. It's not about singing, it's just, ah, it's using that vibration. Ah,[00:51:00]

suzanne_boots_backup: wow, I feel that right in my heart center.

kari_potter-backup: yeah. And so I just pause and feel and notice. I often feel like it lights up my smi, my face with a smile. Like, I just kind of feel like a lift of endorphins, of energy. Um,

so yeah, just using the sound.

suzanne_boots_backup: and you know, for listeners who might be like, what the heck are they doing now? Like, you know, it's no different than screaming. I screamed the other day by myself and my car

over health insurance and I felt so much better. . So this is just a, a, you know, different type of screaming

kari_potter-backup: It is, they both acc vibration in the body. Yeah, it's exactly. And a lot of times it's like, sounds weird, like, [00:52:00] ha, we already make sounds like that. But it's just like, you know, using your own sound. It actually, it activates the vagus nerve that runs from the brain to the belly. So it's activating the parasympathetic nervous system.

If you wanna know like why or what, why would I do this? But it's like, it's just another way to support that system as well as your.

suzanne_boots_backup: And I can promise you listeners, that you will not hear any of this in a standard Western Medical Hospital. and you'll get the, you know, the standard, you know, American diet in the hospital. be given the medications, which some, which they are important. I'm on a medication for my heart. but you know, this, this only adds to your healing and I can promise it will make your journey just so much easier.

And dare I say it, joy filled. if you are courageous enough to work with your [00:53:00] feelings as I'm still working up the gumption to do. but yeah, it just, there are, there are so many Reiki practitioners across the country. and carrie's, um, also available. And, you know, you don't have to do this alone, and you don't have to just rely on what the one surgeon tells you, or cardiologist.

I have found that I have needed an a, a very large team of people and every single person has been instrumental in my healing, and that includes my incredible surgeon and the different cardiologists and the nurses, but it also includes my acupuncturist and Carrie and, my massage. Like you. This is such a monumental event for the body that you just can't assume. You know, you go to the hospital, get your open heart surgery, do [00:54:00] some cardiac rehab, and then down the road you go skipping, you know, merrily and happily ever after. It's, it's more than that. If, if, and, and the more you put into it and the more you're aware of your recovery, it, it's amazing what your life has in store for you.

If you're willing to let it. Don't just be just the standard American, or if you're listening overseas, you know, I don't just be the standard heart patient. Be the extraordinary heart patient.

kari_potter-backup: Amen.

suzanne_boots_backup: Well, I think, I think we've said that all it needs to be said,

every listener should be levitating by.

kari_potter-backup: I think we're all levitating.

suzanne_boots_backup: Yeah. Oh, thank you Carrie Potter

for joining me today on the heart chamber.

kari_potter-backup: Thank you, Suzanne, for having me. let's do this again sometime.

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