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Create art podcast commentary,
building community.

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Hello friend.

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This is Timothy Kim O'Brien, your head
instigator for create art podcast,

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where I use my over 30 years of
experience in the arts and education

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world to help you tame your inner
critic and create more than you consume.

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So this year I am doing a book
called make fun a habit and it's by

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Michael Brennan from the make fun.

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I have it workbook and he also has
a podcast called creative chats

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and I actually had the pleasure of
interviewing him on my other podcast,

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find a podcast about links will be
in the show notes for you on that.

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But basically what the workbook is, it
leads you through steps to rekindle the

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fun in your life and get you in a space
where you can be your most creative.

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Now it's a 30 day workbook.

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And what I've decided to do this year
is to take each day as one episode.

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So I'm going to be going through
these for you here and giving

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you my ideas and thoughts on what
Mike Brennan is talking about.

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Now, how he Formats the book is
each chapter is broken up with

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a short story, questions to
ponder, action items, or tips.

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So let's go ahead and start
talking about building community.

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Now, back when I first started my
artistic journey way back in 1988, I

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wasn't looking to build a community.

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I was just looking to do something.

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And poetry was my first love.

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I was also into a theater.

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With the theater, you have a community
already built in, you have your

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actors, your behind the scenes,
folks, your designers, your workshop,

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people, director, all that jazz.

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So you already have a community
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bit harder to find that community.

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And at that time, I wasn't
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I didn't really know about them.

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I didn't know it was really
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Yeah, I was a little bit lonely out there
doing my own thing, but I have found over

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the years that when you have a community
around you, it can really strengthen you.

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And now I do poetry readings every week
at my nephew's coffee shop, Original

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Grinds here in Fredericksburg, Virginia.

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And we've developed a community there.

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That we all challenge each other.

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We show up for each other.

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We support each other and
that feels really good.

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It feels a lot less lonely than
way back in my high school days.

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And it's that commitment to that community
that keeps me writing poetry all the time.

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So when that's the importance of
having community, it's for support.

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It's for, if you have questions about
something that you're doing, if you

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want to learn something new, or you just
want people that are weird, like you.

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To listen in to what you're saying,
like with podcasting, back when I first

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started in 2006, I was really going solo.

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Didn't know what I was doing.

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But in 2016, I met up with Kyle Bondo
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community, and now I'm talking with.

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Folks that are across the world on this
podcast, and I'm going to conferences

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and meeting the top names in podcasting.

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So having that community, having somebody
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and somebody that supports you and
somebody that you support really turns

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up the creativity for you by, instead
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So let's go ahead and get started
with Mike's questions here first.

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Now, the first question is, where
have you found community in the past?

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And what did you like and
what did you not like?

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Again, when I was first starting out with
poetry, I didn't really have a community.

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And then I found one of
all places, Abilene, Texas.

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When I was in the air force, there
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poetry readings all the time and I
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me in with open arms and they really
supported my early work, which, our

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early stuff isn't always our best stuff.

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Sometimes it is.

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But for me, I was just feeling what was
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was out there and soaking everything
up like a sponge and challenging my

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preconceived notions of what art was.

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So that's what I really liked about it.

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What I didn't like about it was the
incestuous nature of it and sometimes

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a little bit of elitism, I would say.

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We were the poetry nuts
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And sometimes it wasn't as
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And was I a part of that?

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Sure.

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Cause you know, I was part
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protect our turf, quote unquote.

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So that's, something I didn't like about
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Other communities that have been a
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of people and then somebody new comes
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weird and go, what are you doing here?

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So I like it for the ambience, for
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Sometimes it gets a little elitist
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Next question is what special memories
do you have attached to that community?

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With Espresso Europa, the coffee shop
I was at, some of the most special

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memories I have of it was I had actually
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for a while and when we cut off the
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the ceiling on a little shelf and, I
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all the time or the remnants of my cast.

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And I thought that was really cool.

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We also had a in house painter.

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And I bought a few works off
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I doubt that he's alive still,
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at, I really loved his works.

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He did a Jimi Hendrix, a Friedrich
Nietzsche, and this weird painting with

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a bunch of ants and skulls and faces,
and I call it the haunted painting, but.

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Yeah I remember those times and
I remember, the drag shows that

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we had there and just, staying
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built in the fun times that we had.

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And for many years I was looking for that.

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I was thinking that kind of coffee
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It was in Abilene, Texas.

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Everywhere, right?

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Negative.

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And it took years and years.

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And finally here in Fredericksburg,
we have original grinds, which is a

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coffee shop, my nephew runs Ethan.

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And it's really reminding
me of those days.

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And so I'm really happy that I'm
finding that community once again.

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So the next question is how can we how
can you seek to create new memories

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and experiences with new communities?

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And what would that look like?

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The first things first, you got to
go out, you got to go out from behind

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your four walls and go and meet people.

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And How I'm creating new memories is
I'm attending podcast conferences.

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I'll be in a podcast
movement here in mid August.

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I went to another podcast
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Carolina called the empowered.

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Podcast convention.

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So I like going to those communities,
those conferences and meeting people.

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I get to meet new people that
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people that I've met online.

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I get to meet actually in person.

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So that's how I'm creating new memories.

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I'm actually getting out of my house
and going to where these people are.

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And that's what we need to do as artists
is we need to go to where our audience is.

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And find out what they're interested
in and see if we can't fill that need.

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And if we can, great.

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If we can't, then we find different
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But if we're already in a community,
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need to be very welcoming to people.

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So that way they feel the
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And that's something that we have
to pay really close attention to.

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Okay, so let's go ahead
to our action items.

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Now, our first action item is to
join an art club or take a class.

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Absolutely.

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I've taken painting classes in the past
and drawing classes, and they really help.

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One thing that I've been doing
lately is this thing called Painting

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Van Gogh, or Painting to Go.

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And It has a video of a artist and they're
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along with, how they're mixing the colors.

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They usually only use five base colors
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different things that you can paint.

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So I've been doing those and
I've been really enjoying them.

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Of course.

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Yes, I do like to do a paint by
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somebody there to guide me through it.

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It's less scary.

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I feel less like I'm making
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crack and more like I'm an artist.

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I'm actually coming out with
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So definitely, I highly recommend
doing our club or taking the class.

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Another thing you could do is
join a sports team or volunteer

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at a local charity that gets
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Maybe you like playing softball or
bowling or whatever sport you're into.

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Or maybe you're like, Hey, maybe
I'll try pickleball over at the YMCA.

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It gets you your face out there
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people that could possibly be.

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audience members for you being at a
local, working at a local charity like

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a boys or girls club kind of thing.

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That way you're giving back
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want to have support you.

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So I think the big thing with that is
always to be giving and not expecting

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the universe to pay you back, but in
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settles up its debt pretty well.

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So keep that in the back of your
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That's not why we're doing this.

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Third action item is join a political
party or volunteer for a campaign.

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Now here in the United States
in November of 2024, we're going

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to be electing a president.

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And there's a lot of political
stuff going on and doesn't matter

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which here in the United States,
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the Republicans and the Democrats.

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Doesn't matter to me, which side
you fall under, or if you fall

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completely in a different field.

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Maybe join that political party, maybe
campaign or help a campaign out get in

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there with people that are like minded.

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and build a community with them.

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It's just a way for you to do it.

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And maybe it's more of an independent
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school board kind of thing where
it's not supposed to be political.

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Give that a shot for yourself just
to get your face out there in public.

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Number four is attend a religious
service or join a religious organization.

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And for, I know some some of you out there
are atheist or agnostic there's always the

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Unitarians that, they believe everything,
but take care of your spiritual side,

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maybe it's not like going to a Christian
or Jewish or Muslim house of worship.

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Maybe it's just something where you go
out in nature and do some, cleaning up

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of the woods or something like that.

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That can be a religious
experience for some people.

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So give that a shot for yourself.

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And his last tip is to volunteer at a
local soup kitchen or homeless shelter.

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And that can be done year round.

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A lot of people try to do it
fit it in the holidays and feel

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good about themselves for that.

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But there's always a need at the
soup kitchens and homeless shelters.

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So definitely check that out for yourself.

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Are these people going
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Probably not.

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But there's going to be other
volunteers there and those are

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possible audience members or
possible collaborators with you.

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Or maybe, you volunteer some of your
artistic talent towards a soup kitchen

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or a homeless shelter to make it a
little bit better for somebody else.

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And it's that whole giving,
giving, paying it forward.

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And the universe may, square up
its debt to you later on in life.

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You never know, but give it a shot.

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You never know who
you're going to run into.

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Our next area is tips.

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First step that might gives us is
think about your interest in values.

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What's important to you?

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Is it volunteering at, is it literacy?

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So volunteering at a local library?

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Is it taking care of your fellow person?

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Maybe that's volunteering at a
homeless shelter or soup kitchen.

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What is your interest and values and
really think deep and hard about that.

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What's important to you?

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What's going to make this
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That should guide you into the
community that you join up with.

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Next tip is talk with friends and family.

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You never know within your
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who's got something going on.

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So if you can reach out to them
and let them know, Hey, listen,

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I'm looking to join up with a
community of like minded people.

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Maybe they have already started
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You have somebody there.

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You already know.

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So it's not as scary.

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So you can go ahead and
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Or maybe they're like, you know
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Yeah, I believe that way too.

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Third tip is do an online search.

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Now, that's what I did.

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When I did a meetup with Kyle
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podcasting groups in our area.

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I saw it, I attended and here we
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podcasting like a crazy person.

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So use uncle Google, okay.

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Or use meetup Facebook communities,
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communities, whatever it is.

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Look for that online and you will find it.

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You will definitely find it
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Next tip is attend local events.

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Again, that's all getting out of
the four walls that surround you.

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And putting your face out there.

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There's, book fairs, there's festivals,
there's concerts, what have you.

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There are events out there
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And there's a lot of online events
that you can attend online as well.

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So if it's, something that you're
interested in, but it's far away and

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they have an online portion to it.

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Attempt the online portion.

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That is very valid and maybe next
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You never know, but give it a shot unless
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you never know what's going to happen.

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Mike's last tip is to be
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So again, I go back to my time in the
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I was open to that experience of going
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and meeting some of the people that
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I've had these friends and that's,
26 years now, 1992, 28, 30 years that

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I've known these people and I can
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Just we saw each other every week.

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So that wouldn't have happened if I
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again, with the meetup with Kyle Bondo,
I wanted to learn more about podcasting.

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So I had to go out of my house and let me
tell you, it was tough because I commute.

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At that time hour and a half each
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So by the end of the day, by the
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was exhausted, but you know what?

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I went anyways and again, made a lifelong
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industry and look where it's brought me.

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It's brought me some wonderful
things and wonderful experiences

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that wouldn't have happened if I
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So one thought I'm going to
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about community here is this.

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If there isn't a community already where
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That way you can, kind of mold it and
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But then again, remember, you're going
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community, so be flexible on that.

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Allow there to be some wiggle room
in this community that you create.

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Because.

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It'll grow better if you
are more flexible that way.

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If you're very rigid and go, Oh, I only
want this and this and this and this,

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and you don't let other people contribute
to that community, you're missing out.

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So like I say, if there's
nothing where you're at, which

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I find doubtful, but it happens.

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A lot of us live in rural communities,
so sometimes you have to create it

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yourself and just because you create
it does not necessarily mean they will

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come, but it's more likely that they
will come if you then if you didn't build

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it, so give that a shot for yourself.

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All right.

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So that is our episode here for today.

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I want to thank you for taking time
out of your day and listening and

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for being part of this community.

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I really appreciate it.

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If you want to reach out to me, you can
email me, Timothy at createartpodcast.

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com.

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And I want to hear about what's going on
with your journey and what you're up to.

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I want to hear about the communities
that you're creating in your neck

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of the woods, or if you need ideas.

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On how to curate that community,
feel free to reach out to me.

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I'd be happy to have that
conversation with you.

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I also wanna let you know about
we have another podcast here.

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It's called Find a Podcast About,
you can find it at find a podcast

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about.xyz and that's where I review
other podcasts and bring back to you

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the ones that I think are binge worthy.

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And a lot of times we have the
hosts on the show to interview them

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and find out about their journey.

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Take a listen to that one.

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I'm gonna help you outsmart the algorithm.

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And find your next binge worthy
podcast at find a podcast about.

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All right.

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That is all I have here for you today.

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I do want to thank you for listening.

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And I do want to hear about the
communities that you're building and.

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Definitely step out from your four
walls and take a look around you.

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If you're struggling with finding an
audience, they're outside the four walls.

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They're not inside the studio with you.

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They're out there.

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You need to go out there.

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Look for them and talk to them
and build a community with them.

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So go out there and
tame that inner critic.

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Create more than you consume and go out
there, build a community and make some

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art for somebody you love yourself.

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I'll talk to you next time.