[00:00:00] I'm not listening today. She absolutely has the ability to say no. Maybe you can teach it

[00:00:06] wrong. Would that be a bad idea on Kennedy? All I could think about was, keep your thighs squeezed.

[00:00:11] We used to call that torture treatment. And then she cuddled me after. I mean,

[00:00:14] I felt like we had a true, awesome connection. Nate may do that with Macy. I don't do that.

[00:00:23] And I've said this to her face, so I don't even know if she's slightly more forgiving. Honestly,

[00:00:27] she's been a little bit of a brat. I've never won anything. Oh, we're getting nervous. And

[00:00:32] the winner is... Welcome back to Katching Up With Katie. Today, what we're going to focus mostly on,

[00:00:38] and I'm sure we'll go off on some tangents, is Nate and Matt have both had their first lessons at

[00:00:44] this point for the Running Springs. The Running Springs Invitational is what I'm calling it,

[00:00:49] but I feel like there's a better name out there. Comments? Yeah, and we need to lock this in. So,

[00:00:54] Stephanie is our trainer, and we're just going to talk about how you thought it went. Yeah.

[00:00:59] We now have YouTube videos out of them, and y'all can pitch in your comments about what you saw,

[00:01:05] because we're leaving a lot in there. We're not really cutting out a whole lot of parts.

[00:01:11] And this is just the starting point. This is like, okay, this is what we have to work with. So let's

[00:01:16] start with Nate. How do I feel about the lesson as a whole? My lesson? Yes. I thought mine was

[00:01:24] great. I thought it was really hard, and I don't feel like I accomplished a lot, and nothing at

[00:01:31] the same time, is how I felt walking away from it. Yes. So I felt like, you know, I hardened my toes,

[00:01:39] but I just kicked the wall the whole time, is how it feels. I feel more resolved in being on

[00:01:45] Kennedy. Good analogy. But we didn't do anything. I disagree with the "we didn't do anything"

[00:01:52] statement, because you did. I'm just saying, if you wanted to go to a quarter horse show and show

[00:02:02] in the walk trot tomorrow, you have the ability. Absolutely, you have the ability to go do that

[00:02:09] confidently. I mean, I'm not going to say master, but you have a very firm understanding of Kennedy,

[00:02:16] of riding a horse at the walk and in a jog. Not everyone does. That's actually hard for a lot

[00:02:21] of people to figure out. Props, Steph. So, I would disagree that you did nothing. I think Kennedy was

[00:02:30] a very good example of the difficulty that horses bring, because yes, when she's trained like that,

[00:02:41] she has a lot of intricate buttons. Yeah, it's hard to figure that out. And then there's the hard

[00:02:45] part of, once you do maybe figure it out enough that she should do what you ask, she absolutely

[00:02:53] has the ability to say no. Yeah. I think the best way I could describe it is trying to plug

[00:03:01] something in in the dark, when you're reaching behind something, trying to plug it in. That was

[00:03:10] me on Kennedy trying to lope. But I'm like, that's it, and you push in, and you only got one prong

[00:03:15] in. You did so good though, because you tried in multiple ways. You know what I mean? A lot

[00:03:22] of times when you're teaching someone, they'll do just minute changes and nothing ever happens. You

[00:03:28] have to do big changes to find the spot, find the button. And the hard part for you as an instructor

[00:03:34] is when you're starting from ground zero on a horse that is as trained as Kennedy. If you

[00:03:39] had bought Kennedy and were like, "This is my show horse," you'd be retraining her, okay? If you were

[00:03:46] like, "I'm going to show this horse with no spurs, and I'm going to whatever," she'd have to be

[00:03:49] ridden so differently, and you'd have to be making changes for you as the client. You're coming in to

[00:03:56] her being, I mean, I'm not the world's best rider, but I understand her buttons and I understand the

[00:04:00] mechanics, so we use all the buttons. And so that in itself is harder, but you're also having to

[00:04:07] explain what you mean, because I've heard you say this a couple times: sometimes you have to teach

[00:04:12] something a little wrong to get it going, and then you tweak it later. So I think that, for me,

[00:04:19] is more about teaching a rider. Sometimes it seems like you may be skipping steps.

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[00:05:39] If you were to really go, okay, this is how you get from point A to point B, but sometimes you

[00:05:43] got to skip a couple steps, just get the feel of something, and then you can come back and tweak

[00:05:47] it. If that makes sense? Yeah, it does. So, yeah. And so, I was bewildered that you got her on the

[00:05:54] right lead so easily. Yeah, that's normally... you know what, actually, I take it back. That's

[00:06:01] not her fancy way, but that is her easy way. It's her easy way to maintain and have her listen to

[00:06:08] your legs. Yes. The other way is way easier to get fanciness, like her quality. For the most part,

[00:06:14] her right lead, that's the tweaky departure. And then I feel like her breaks are good, but the

[00:06:20] left lead is just so easy. I mean, you don't do a whole lot. So I think we were just doing too much.

[00:06:28] I think that was part of everything, was just too much. We didn't find the right spots and things.

[00:06:33] Throwing this out there: as a kid, when I was learning on a complicated horse, sometimes I got

[00:06:40] put on the lunge line, or I got put in the round pen. Would that be a bad idea on Kennedy, do you

[00:06:48] think? I don't think so. If I need to run around the pen, I can do that. I feel like it takes the

[00:06:55] steering aspect out of it, which, when you get down to the root of it, is actually a lot of the

[00:07:00] problem, because you're worried about keeping them from running into something or whatever,

[00:07:04] and so then that's such a focus that the other things are harder. If you took the steering out of

[00:07:10] it, also too, it's kind of like, I think what you were saying earlier, sometimes you have to teach

[00:07:18] a horse to be a good teacher. You have to teach it to be a good lesson horse. And that's a great way

[00:07:22] to start, on a lunge line, because really, Kennedy is going to listen to me. You know what I mean?

[00:07:27] She might help a little bit, but that might be a good, happy middle ground to fix a couple things,

[00:07:32] and then mentally, for her, she might be like, "Okay, there." Exactly. Okay. Is that where

[00:07:38] I'm on the horse connected to you in the middle? Yes, yes. Okay. So she could stop her if needed,

[00:07:43] or whatever. What's funny, though, is you're going to have a harder time than you think. Well,

[00:07:48] maybe not, but I feel like on the lunge line, because you're turning so much, it also shows you

[00:07:54] how bad your balance is. You know what I'm saying? It forces you to really get centered. Yeah, and I

[00:08:01] feel like I was struggling with that already. I feel like I'm going to fall off. You're not even

[00:08:07] centered. Yeah, yeah. And would it be the worst thing to just let him hold the horn a few times?

[00:08:14] No, just get the feel of things. Yeah, you just got to get the feel of things. Would that be like,

[00:08:21] maybe you can teach it wrong to feel, then come back? Teaching it wrong, that's just going back

[00:08:26] to basics. Basics, okay. Yeah, which maybe we did wrong by just... well, I think we're trying to get

[00:08:37] as much accomplished in a short period of time. So, generally, with most things, I do learn best

[00:08:47] if you just throw me in the fire, and just expect a lot of me. But with the fire, there's very

[00:08:56] distinct things, like, okay, stop, drop, and roll. Yeah, that's what you do. Imagine stop, drop, and

[00:09:03] roll, but the fire was like, "I'm not listening today." You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Even then,

[00:09:08] though, I agree, I think it's like the fire. I would rather experience that, and then go back

[00:09:13] to basics and be like, "Okay, well, I know that she's like this way, and now I know kind of what

[00:09:16] to expect," instead of being super let down after going from A, B, C, D. Okay, well, we'll lessen up

[00:09:25] on you for a moment and turn to Matt. I'm sore. Matt had his first lesson literally yesterday,

[00:09:31] so it's fresh. You're sore. I went and sat on my hard kitchen seat, and I sat right back up. It's,

[00:09:38] I'm sore, it's a little adjustment, I don't know. Again, I almost texted you this morning,

[00:09:42] I was like, "Praise your craft and what you do." Like, imagine a full day of riding or whatever,

[00:09:48] I'm like... now, do you know why I get up and waddle now? Yeah. I mean, I think it's a lot less

[00:09:56] commentary for me, these next. I feel like you use less muscles, maybe I'm wrong. I feel like I

[00:10:04] don't have to use as much leg sometimes as they're using. I feel like they're locking up. Yeah, oh,

[00:10:10] for sure, you get a lot more efficient with your muscle use. Yes, yeah. Like after a car wreck,

[00:10:16] you're really sore because... that's how it was on Ethel. Yeah, absolutely. Jonathan did that one

[00:10:22] time. He's ridden a horse twice in our marriage, not even our marriage, our relationship. We went

[00:10:27] on a trail ride in Colorado two years ago. He was so sore the entire time, for days after,

[00:10:35] because we went on this six-hour thing. Yeah, and he kept thinking the horse was going to kill him,

[00:10:40] and it was literally just stomping at flies. But it's a balance issue, though,

[00:10:45] because once you're rigid, you can't, it's like you topple off of it. You're not down, but you're

[00:10:51] rigid because you don't know how to balance, or you're just not used to that feeling. You know

[00:10:56] what I mean? Yeah, and especially if they're standing and then they're like, you know what,

[00:10:59] they a hip. We need to take their hands away. How fun! We do our hands behind our back. No. So,

[00:11:08] like, what instructors will do, yes, hands to the side, hands to the riding position, one arm up,

[00:11:16] okay, one arm in front, one arm to the side, this arm up, this arm to the side. And you do it when

[00:11:22] you get super advanced with no stirrups and no hands. We used to call that torture treatment,

[00:11:27] and we do it for two weeks before the Youth World. That's fun. And then I would go in, if I had made

[00:11:33] the finals, and I would have had no problem with no stirrups. Wow. I do think that's, I think,

[00:11:41] whenever she was talking about it, thinking of all the different things at the same time,

[00:11:48] on top of having to stay centered and stay on the saddle, so it's like, I mean, my upper body,

[00:11:53] but just my whole lower half is just tense, just trying to keep your thigh, all I could think about

[00:12:02] was keep your thighs squeezed, but then you have to remember everything else. It's just, I don't

[00:12:06] know, it was similar to learning how to play an instrument. Yeah, you're like, my strumming is

[00:12:12] just, or I can't do this with my left hand and my right hand, and it's just working that brain. Now,

[00:12:18] I will say, that being said, all of that aside, I felt like it was sick. I felt like she made

[00:12:25] me look, I felt like she gave me way too much confidence off the horse watching you. I mean, you

[00:12:32] heard me cheering, because it was great. You were able to look both ways. You felt the confidence

[00:12:36] to be like Nate. Yeah, I can do it all. He had the confidence. But after watching the video,

[00:12:43] I rolled the tapes last night, I roughed her from the ground, because, and I'll tell you this so

[00:12:47] that you can grow: you were hanging off the side of her, like your whole body, as you were loping

[00:12:54] around, was off to the side, worse than him. I felt it. So that's also the difference of horses,

[00:13:02] right? Ethel is just so much more forgiving and so much more okay, whereas Kennedy would be like,

[00:13:07] "Absolutely not, we're not doing that if you're not centered." So you have the confidence now,

[00:13:12] which is amazing, and you were able to make her do all that, you were trotting, you were posting,

[00:13:17] and him actually getting a one-two was amazing. That was slick, amazing. So you could go do the

[00:13:25] ranch riding with minimal more, you could go start your race, kind of same thing, like what she said.

[00:13:32] Yeah, I felt like I was leaning off the saddle, but now I 100% know what loping feels like,

[00:13:39] and I know what that feels like, and I know what it feels like to be, and I even told her,

[00:13:49] I told Katie, I told her when I was talking to Nate about it, there was nothing on the table that

[00:13:54] was left not understood, everything was translated well, it was just simply a matter of doing it and

[00:14:01] repetition. But, you know, I was saying, I'm not going to be able to explain my issue here,

[00:14:10] but I know at least what feels right and what feels wrong. So, I can tell, if, yes,

[00:14:16] this was a great lope, I felt like I was more centered on the horse. I can tell when I'm not.

[00:14:20] I don't necessarily know which way to go to fix it, but I can tell what's right and what's wrong.

[00:14:27] I think you just kind of busted through all the initial "this might be hard," and you're like,

[00:14:33] "Okay, I can do it," and that's so much easier, and then now we're able to just tweak,

[00:14:38] which might make other things pop up, but I think you had a really good start. I really,

[00:14:43] if she, and again, Ethel was so great, I felt like, and then she cuddled me after, I mean,

[00:14:49] I felt like we had a true cuddle. Picture, right here: awesome connection. Elena's photos just were

[00:14:58] fantastic. Did you show your wife? I did. She loved them. I loved them. She was like, "So,

[00:15:03] while I'm home with two children under two, this is what you're doing?" No, I was telling her about

[00:15:06] the horse show and whatnot. She thought it was really cool. You hadn't even told her yet? Yeah,

[00:15:10] well, I told her yesterday, we had a baby, that's true, you are on leave. Think about it, we were in

[00:15:18] the hospital and she was pushing, and I was like, "Come on, baby." By the way, we've been planning

[00:15:25] this since way before your child was born. Well, I had to make sure it was actually happening.

[00:15:34] I don't know, I mean, I'm sure I did tell her, I'm trying, but we're trying to get, I'm trying

[00:15:37] to get more of, like, ah, she would never care about, but I think it's a guy thing. It's like,

[00:15:41] "How was your day?" "Good." "How was work?" "It was good." Instead of, "Well, it was great,

[00:15:46] we talked about this horse show idea." And Nate may do that with Macy, I don't, it's a problem, I

[00:15:52] don't do that, but I like, "Hey, how was it?" "It was great." "What'd you do?" "It works," but now,

[00:15:58] anytime I even remotely hear buzz about anything, I put it in a calendar that she can see. Did you

[00:16:05] get her attached to our Skylight yet, our Skylight calendar? No, I haven't. It's on my phone,

[00:16:10] everybody's on it. This is not a plug, that's just the only way we found. They are cool though,

[00:16:16] and so everyone has a shared calendar and everyone has tasks. It's amazing. I will say,

[00:16:21] watching Rikki and Ethel, I could see, in the first ten minutes, just the confidence going like

[00:16:30] this, oh yeah, increasing. And once I saw great confidence, and, well, Ethel's the underdog of the

[00:16:39] show. She is, Ethel's the underdog. And I think too, a lot of people would say you're the underdog

[00:16:46] of the show. I've never won anything, I've always gotten last at everything. It's not even

[00:16:51] that I've never won anything, I've gotten last at everything. And I will say this, I'm competitive,

[00:16:56] so you can know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I would never let you win, and I know that, and I

[00:17:03] love it. But it might be at least equal, if not a little more excitement and joy, if they were like,

[00:17:13] "And the winner is Matt and Ethel." You say that, but your competitiveness, I know you,

[00:17:20] you were going to... I genuinely feel that way, I would never let you beat me. He's a yin and yang,

[00:17:26] he's won everything. I would never let you beat me. The only one that I'll be sour about is if

[00:17:31] Rachel wins, if Rachel beats us. Let me just say, and I've said this to her face so I can say it

[00:17:39] here: after watching both of your lessons, especially Matt's, she started playing this

[00:17:46] little, "I think I should just let Matt win," it'd be better for TV, it'd be for like, nervous, like

[00:17:57] that. Well, I'll say this, if Rachel lets you win, you're still going to have to beat me. I told her

[00:18:05] that is absolutely not allowed. Yeah, if Rachel beats me, I'll feel like, I could have beaten

[00:18:13] her. She is at a disadvantage because she's been banned from lessons except for the group lessons,

[00:18:23] because of her previous riding experience. So, she is and she isn't. I have no doubt that she'll

[00:18:31] be able to get on Rikki and make Rikki do the things, but there is something to be said about,

[00:18:35] that's hard to get on a horse even if you know what you're doing. Like me getting on

[00:18:39] someone else's show horse and going into the pen, it's like an unreadable map, it's hard,

[00:18:45] and Rikki's barely been under saddle. Yeah, she's been compared to the other two. So she's

[00:18:53] in regular rotation, she's being ridden, but she has an attitude, Rikki has a big attitude. So,

[00:19:01] our next lesson before we leave, because we kind of were like, "Hey, we're about to leave

[00:19:05] for NSBA World," we're not riding Kennedy prior to showing for NSBA World anymore. So, our next

[00:19:13] lesson before we leave is going to be just halter. So I was like, let's just do that same time. Yeah,

[00:19:19] that's easy enough, yeah, that's super easy, do that. And the way that we're doing halter for it,

[00:19:25] normally it would be only based on the horse, and it would be based on the horse's conformation, how

[00:19:29] they're built. We're judging it in a way that's like, okay, how did you present your horse? So,

[00:19:36] one of them may have the better-conformed horse, but if they have the better horse and they set

[00:19:41] her up really parked out and didn't get her ears up, and had her standing a little bit diagonal or

[00:19:50] whatever, then they're not going to beat the person with maybe the lesser-quality horse

[00:19:54] that did it correctly. And so that's how we're judging it, and so we're going to do that as the

[00:20:00] next lesson. So that's all on the ground, you're just leading them, you have to present your horse.

[00:20:05] I feel like y'all are going to do great at that. I'll at least look good. Yeah, I mean, that'll be

[00:20:10] a fun one. And just to confirm, obviously we're going to have the dressing apparel, but we're

[00:20:17] going to do like a suit and whatnot, a suit and a cowboy hat. Yes. Yeah, and then there is, I mean,

[00:20:25] you could technically just do a button-up with a belt. Well, like how we're having the shirt for

[00:20:29] that, like, I guess, you know, it's like getting off and then doing it all the same, do your,

[00:20:35] I'll allow whatever you want. We're going to start with halter so that we don't have to mess with

[00:20:42] trying to get the saddle marks out and stuff, so we'll start with halter and you could do a suit,

[00:20:47] and we'll have a tack change time, or if you just want to wear, you won't be counted against it,

[00:20:53] you can just wear your show clothes. For photo, I just think, going to the horse shows, they just

[00:20:58] look so sharp, they look so great, just out there in suits and cowboy hats, and the horse looks

[00:21:04] great. They really like showmanship premiere. Are we doing a show? Wait, I mean, that is not

[00:21:13] a part of this, I did, I got those two mixed up, but yes, showmanship was what I was talking

[00:21:19] about. Western pleasure, costume, horsemanship. We haven't, we got a master going in a circle first,

[00:21:25] which is based on the rider, and that's a pattern. Yeah, I'm about patterns, we have to work on that.

[00:21:34] I was confident the pattern might turn into a walk-trot pattern. Please. This is not the face

[00:21:39] of a concerned rider. I will say this, as far as advantages and disadvantages go, I feel like every

[00:21:47] person and their horse makes the playing field even, where you have maybe Rachel having Kennedy

[00:21:55] would make things, should have flopped horses to make it even, maybe you and Rachel, maybe that

[00:22:00] would have gone. But Rachel, with no lessons going on, maybe a slightly more forgiving horse than

[00:22:05] Kennedy. I don't even know if she's slightly more forgiving, honestly, she's been a little bit of a

[00:22:10] brat. Who? Rikki. But you think me having Rikki would have been better? Maybe not, I don't know,

[00:22:19] I just cashed out. Honestly, Ethel was the prime pick. Yeah, Ethel was A1. We're learning that now,

[00:22:27] like it might seem like, oh, the other ones are going to shows, or the other ones are whatever,

[00:22:33] but I would be certainly disheartened a lot if I had not gotten it, like if I had gotten anything

[00:22:39] but Ethel. I would be worried about Nate's first lesson. Would that have rattled you?

[00:22:46] Even like, I knew, like you said, my confidence level was like, I can get on a horse, whatever,

[00:22:52] but that's great, but not that it was like I was leaning off, you know, there was mess-ups,

[00:22:58] but I knew, oh, I did that, I totally just did that wrong, I didn't hit that button right,

[00:23:06] or I did hit that button right, I felt like I was learning a video game as opposed to plugging

[00:23:12] something in in the dark. I felt like I was just learning a video game, learning how to drive,

[00:23:16] or ride a bike. Once I got it, it was just clear, kind of with the outlet cover off too,

[00:23:23] so you're like, you might touch something. Yeah, there's a little bit of, you're doing it,

[00:23:30] but you're a little nervous. I almost don't want to hear, I guess,

[00:23:35] what's Stephanie's feedback? Like, that was just our experience, what do you, who was better?

[00:23:42] Who was better? Um, you can go. Well, you can tell us who you think was better, and

[00:23:47] it's maybe different things and why. He wants to know, it won't hurt my feelings, or so. I think,

[00:23:53] well, it's hard because you guys had very different rides. Ethel kind of got moving,

[00:24:01] you know. Kennedy, I don't think will ever move that much, unless you really, really make... Ethel

[00:24:07] seems ranchy at heart. I almost felt like we were galloping at something. You were mildly... mild.

[00:24:16] You looked ranchy at times. Then I came over to Stephanie, I was like, "Hey, so, whenever she's

[00:24:23] going a little too fast, without completely stopping the horse," because, in my mind,

[00:24:30] every movie you watch, every western you watch, you just go, "Whoa," and then they'll slow down,

[00:24:34] like horses are supposed to do, instead of just going, how do I just ease it off? But then again,

[00:24:40] you're thinking of so many things, and then she said something, she's like, "Just pull the

[00:24:43] reins back." I was like, I forgot you could do that, besides just saying, well, it's like I'm

[00:24:48] thinking of fifty different things other than the most simple thing. Whoa. Yeah, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[00:24:56] That's so funny. But what were your thoughts? Positive, negative? Like, we're hopeless, we

[00:25:01] got promise? I thought it was all very positive. Kennedy was hard, that was hard, but I do feel

[00:25:10] like that's a very good learning experience. It told you a lot. Yes, it told me a lot, and also,

[00:25:16] you figured out some things that I never would have expected you to figure out in one lesson,

[00:25:22] as far as shaping and how to put her body parts in places. She just needs a spur, and at that point,

[00:25:30] she just had it for you as well. Yeah, she was like, "Get it off." So you did make a comment,

[00:25:38] and I've really just been riding that, it's been carrying me through since I got off the horse,

[00:25:44] about, it was some comment, I tried to find it in the audio, but we'd already stopped. It was like,

[00:25:50] you know, I think you could actually do this, or something along those lines. I was like,

[00:25:56] absolutely, yes, absolutely, that internally locked me in. You could show in the pleasure,

[00:26:02] easy peasy, if we had a year to do this. Be different. That locked me in. Three months during

[00:26:12] the most important shows of the year. Yes. Right. Yeah. What about me? I think you did a great job,

[00:26:22] but she doesn't think I can do this. No, I think we got to figure some stuff out mechanically,

[00:26:30] and then it'll be good. Learn how to ride a horse first. Should we put them both on the line?

[00:26:37] Honestly, I think it'd be good if they both did it. Yeah, could be a good lesson. I think a lunge

[00:26:41] line lesson is needed. You're taking an amateur horse rider and teaching him to ride Kennedy,

[00:26:48] and you're just taking a civilian and putting him... yeah, I feel a difference, I feel like

[00:26:54] you just didn't have the balance that he had. But also, your horse was going places, you have a lot

[00:27:01] more go. I think it'll be helpful for you, if I feel like it was helpful for me to watch you,

[00:27:08] and I think it'll probably be helpful for you to watch me, for sure, because you'll be able to see,

[00:27:14] oh, I can see what she's telling him to do, and obviously I'm watching him do it. He can't feel it

[00:27:20] or see that he's doing it, but I can tell he's not on that horse right. Yeah, the only thing you can

[00:27:24] really feel is the pace, and I can tell this is a trotter, I can tell this is a jog or whatever.

[00:27:30] But yeah, I wish I'd have been there to see yours as well. Me too. Yeah, I saw the snarkiness of you

[00:27:37] yesterday a few times towards him. I mean, he was hitting some of these. Yes, cameras were rolling,

[00:27:44] and I had to for sure make sure that my face didn't show that she's going a little fast. Yeah,

[00:27:52] I'm falling, I'm falling off. You're just going to, and it killed me that she said that about me

[00:27:58] falling, like, on the ground. It looked like you were falling off the saddle, because that's the

[00:28:01] one thing, everybody was cheering, everybody's like, "Oh my gosh, you're doing it!" And I was

[00:28:04] like, "Oh man, I really thought I was halfway off that saddle right there." I was like,

[00:28:07] I guess I'm all right, after further inspection. Yeah, so I just tried to make sure to show that

[00:28:13] everything was intentional. Yeah, your confidence was definitely showing, because you were getting

[00:28:19] real witty, getting real, you were sending some jokes his way, my way. Yeah, trying to,

[00:28:24] you know, everybody was getting a little love from Matt. But if I win, it's just going to add to it,

[00:28:32] but if I lose, it'll also add to it. Yeah, the one thing is, top three get a belt buckle. So,

[00:28:40] let's go, I'm getting one of them. I still had a thing about that, I'm getting one of them. That'll

[00:28:46] leave somebody out. The one thing, Rachel did show me her, I'm not going to tell you what it is,

[00:28:52] Rachel did show me her costume idea. I think it's very cute, I think it's in her wheelhouse,

[00:28:58] because she was going to not put a lot of effort, and I was like, I'm glad you pushed her. You have

[00:29:03] to. Yeah, like we're doing this, and I kind of was like, hey, you probably do have it in the

[00:29:11] bag for the pleasure and the horsemanship, you probably do, but they're coming up behind you,

[00:29:17] and you're not getting to practice, and if they do equal or better than you in the halter, and then

[00:29:24] they smoke you in the costume... Okay, so here's a question on the judging: is it only first, second,

[00:29:33] third in this, or, sorry, you got first and you got, plus three and a half, but Matt got second at

[00:29:42] plus three, so he's only half a point behind, even though he only got second, or is it just, so we're

[00:29:48] doing thirty percent for western pleasure, thirty percent for horsemanship, fifteen percent for

[00:29:54] costume, fifteen percent for halter, but is that based on points or placement? I want to see how

[00:30:02] they do the western version, because that's how they do those challenges, western, that's how

[00:30:14] they do it. And so I'll do some soothing on how they do that math, but I'm planning on placing out

[00:30:21] each one. Yeah, like maybe we just have ribbons for the individual placements, and then the big

[00:30:27] prizes for the big ones. Yes, you have to, and so you'll get, you might not win the whole thing,

[00:30:33] but you might win something. Yeah, I'm just excited to be a part of it all. That's what I

[00:30:37] told at the end of my lesson, and it was just like me and him and Rachel, and I was like, you know,

[00:30:42] I kind of wish that this wasn't a competition, it was just like, come on guys, let's all ride

[00:30:46] horses together. If that was the case, I see, I'm a firm believer that someone should win. I agree,

[00:30:53] I agree, but it's just like, at the end of that, it was just such a fun time, I just felt

[00:31:00] bad because I didn't technically feel like I was working, aside from it being an actual film day.

[00:31:05] And so it was just like, well, I wish we just weren't doing any of this, and we were all just

[00:31:08] friends riding horses, and we just all come to the barn and just hang out. This is also feeding into

[00:31:15] y'all being comfortable enough to do a sit and sip, or what do we say? A sit and sip the saddle,

[00:31:22] sip. She's ready for that one, ready. Yeah, a saddle sip and sit. Yeah, now, if we get, I mean,

[00:31:29] by next year, we're going to have four riding horses. So, right now, pretty much all we've got

[00:31:34] is Ethel, Kennedy, Rikki, because everybody else is like a two-year-old, or whatever. Next year,

[00:31:40] we'll have those three plus Gracie, Annie, maybe that's it. Could be worth breaking in on,

[00:31:50] but that's almost double. You could be on Molly by next year. So, yeah, y'all work together.

[00:31:58] So that's six. Y'all are co-workers, five to six horses to be ridden next year. Yeah, sweet, that's

[00:32:05] enough for the whole game. I feel like if she was in shape, Annie would have been a good choice for

[00:32:10] this. You don't know Annie yet, Annie would have been, forget about her. Have you all ridden Annie?

[00:32:15] No, but we've gone to shows and watched her do it. You've watched her show? Yeah, I've watched

[00:32:19] Annie show. She's a good girl. Great. You said one time I could walk-trot on Annie at a Murfreesboro

[00:32:26] show way back in the day. No, I know, absolutely, that's long before I had the skills I do now that

[00:32:33] I'm working with Stephanie. She's super easy and dead-sided, so you can kick the crap out

[00:32:37] of her and she's like, "What are you doing?" You know? Yeah, I would be thinking the same thing,

[00:32:43] what am I doing? But yeah, we're excited. I think that was a good starting point, because,

[00:32:53] you know, it could have been worse, it could have been where you just couldn't get anything done,

[00:32:59] you could have fallen off. A lot of people thought you fell off, they thought I fell. When I tell you

[00:33:05] my legs were so exhausted, I physically could not have kept running. Yeah, he was locked up,

[00:33:12] I had to, as soon as I got off, my legs were, and I'm barely walking, and everyone on the internet

[00:33:24] was like, because we just put a clip of it on Snapchat, it was just a clip of me walking off,

[00:33:27] and they're like, "He fell off!" They're like, "I can't believe he fell off, and he's still

[00:33:32] just riding around, and he fell, glad he's okay." I got to say, no, and maybe it's just blind faith

[00:33:40] in just what I'm doing, it's the same thing as flying, I never once am worried about crashing,

[00:33:46] and I never even thought about falling off the horse, it's just blind faith, I just trust that

[00:33:51] this will never happen. You were so much closer to falling off than you know. Yes, yes. But everybody

[00:33:57] was cheering for me, so I thought, this is how you weren't... let me just say, had she decided

[00:34:03] to go to the right quickly, one time, off to the left, off, yeah, I could feel it, I could feel me,

[00:34:12] because she's doing this, I'm going, it was the lope mostly, because I know what was happening.

[00:34:18] You were putting so much emphasis on trying to push with that leg. Did you see what I just did?

[00:34:23] You're pushing, that's exactly what's happening. Okay, maybe I don't know how much more I have for

[00:34:33] you question-wise, I feel like you've answered everything. Any homework, anything I can do,

[00:34:39] like get on a couch pillow or something, anything I can do not on a horse, to get better? I don't

[00:34:44] know, that could help. I feel like a hard part of pushing your heels down is it starts hurting.

[00:34:54] Yeah, you're tight there. Yeah, non-horse people, just, you stand on a stair and then you drop your

[00:34:59] heels and just kind of stretch out, anything for balance? I don't know, anything for balance,

[00:35:05] the good girl, bad girl, as you call it, I have to get stronger, I feel like that's really the only

[00:35:10] thing, and core strength, those are really the only things that really helped. I got pulled over

[00:35:16] yesterday, and this is my final comment, unless there's another. I got pulled over yesterday,

[00:35:21] and I was going over the speed limit, but I knew I was, because I had a bully behind me. I don't

[00:35:28] speed, I think that's the dumbest waste of money is a speeding ticket, I just don't speed, I was

[00:35:33] going fast, and as soon as he threw his lights on, I pulled over, I already knew, and the guy just

[00:35:37] happened to take the exit as soon as I was caught, it was just me. So he was riding behind you until

[00:35:42] he took the exit, cop came, it was done. Came up to my window, I was like, "Look,

[00:35:46] man, I'm kidding." I said, "Look, man, I know I was speeding, I know I was in the wrong,

[00:35:54] just, you know, for what it's worth, this was the reason why." Super cool guy, man, I understand it,

[00:36:00] can't be doing that. He's like, "Notice your..." he said, "Where you coming from?" And I was like,

[00:36:04] I'm coming from a video shoot, just trying to save myself here, to roll the dice. And I was like,

[00:36:09] you know, wife likes horses. No, I'll tell you what I said, and I really hope he doesn't

[00:36:13] watch your channel, "I can actually get you on property." Not even close, not even close, worse,

[00:36:20] worse, because I have all this armor in the back of the car, I was like, "Yeah, I just came from

[00:36:25] the video shoot, as you can tell from all this armor and stuff in the back of my car." Completely

[00:36:29] unapplicable. And he was like, "Oh, do you do Renfair-type stuff?" And I was like, he's like,

[00:36:34] "I saw the D&D tattoos." And I was like, "You play D&D?" He's like, "I've been playing for the last

[00:36:39] ten years." I play about once a month. Is this our new DM? I asked, and he said, I was like, "I

[00:36:43] don't know if this would be appropriate." He goes, "Go ahead," cast the body cam off. But he let me

[00:36:52] go with a warning. Fellow D&D, I just thought it was notable. Yeah, so not a new DM. Not a new DM,

[00:37:01] though, also on that. So I don't know how much will be shown on the other side of the camera,

[00:37:08] but big things happening for KVS as a whole, like the, you know, making content and whatever. You

[00:37:15] remember, in January, my, what's it called, New Year's resolution. New Year's resolution, close.

[00:37:25] My New Year's resolution was to let other people help me, and to not be editing after 7 p.m. Yes.

[00:37:34] Wildly unsuccessful. Wildly, actually. And so, you know, every year it just gets busier, every year

[00:37:43] we're like, I would like to travel more, I have other goals other than making twelve videos a day,

[00:37:47] but I still want twelve videos today, and I still want to be involved in them, but so much goes on

[00:37:52] around them, like planning them, executing them, editing them, all the things. And so

[00:37:57] I hired two people this week, not one, but two, and I'm really excited. That's exciting. I know,

[00:38:03] I feel like it's going to do nothing but up the content, I feel like it's going to do nothing

[00:38:08] but up the quality of the content. We already, that makes our little content group... seven. And

[00:38:22] it'll give us more time to hang out. No, we just work more in different ways. That's what I like to

[00:38:30] hear, instead of eating your way out of there. No, we're just working more in different ways, because

[00:38:35] I want to, like, once a month, have a, no offense, a real guest on the podcast. Somebody wants to be,

[00:38:48] doesn't have to be, you know what I'm saying, but kind of. And so I'd like to do something

[00:38:54] separate from Katching, not do less, don't freak out, not do less of anything. Yeah, that's what

[00:38:59] everyone else is like. She's letting go, and she's stopping. We're still going to Katch Up. Not doing

[00:39:05] less, adding in more, and it allows for projects like that. And you don't have the time to do that,

[00:39:13] just don't have the time, literally, you couldn't do it if you wanted to, no matter how much I say,

[00:39:16] "Let's do it, Katie," you can't, no, literally not. And so I am very excited that we're going

[00:39:25] forward, we're building. Yeah, it's exciting, exciting new chapter. Yeah, I'm excited. So,

[00:39:31] I thank you, Stephanie, you be always improving, your rewards of wisdom, we appreciate it. And stay

[00:39:36] tuned for more of their lessons leading up into this horse show. Again, please help us nail down

[00:39:41] a name for this thing. Yeah, Katie's horse show. No, and you know, if we get done with Kennedy and

[00:39:51] Ethel, because Ethel's going too, maybe we find a little arena that's not too busy, at NSBA World.

[00:39:58] Little 3 a.m. lesson. No, imagine, Katie is going into the show pen, is that the right, when you,

[00:40:05] is show pen where you're showing? Yeah. Okay, okay, Katie's going to the show pen, she's making

[00:40:11] her loud, she's locked in, she's showing this horse. Yeah, and she looks across the show pen,

[00:40:16] and there's, that's Kennedy, that's Ethel. We just go, "Here we come, buddy, here we come,

[00:40:23] here we come." What would I be showing if I'm not showing Kennedy? Oh, hey, both of them are

[00:40:30] actually eligible for the five-and-over maturity that I'm showing him in. Oh, just the whole

[00:40:35] time we're just making our rounds in complete silence, just going, I'm like, who's videoing?

[00:40:44] You've handed the cameras off to some strangers. They're like,

[00:40:52] "Oh my gosh." Okay, that's like a fever dream.

[00:40:59] Hope you all enjoyed, and stay tuned for more, because so much is about to be happening.