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Aaron: What's up Monarch Nation?

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We're back after, after a football game.

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We did have a football game on Saturday.

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We played Marshall.

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Some of it was good.

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Some of it was not so good.

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But, uh, We've got Gary, Jarod and
Jonathan in the house to discuss

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all the good stuff, the bad stuff
and everything else in between.

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Fellas, how you doing?

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Just okay.

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Gary: We're here, we're here and
we're a day late, but Hey, we're

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bringing you Jarod and Jonathan again.

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So I should make up for the a 24
hour delay here on the release.

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Jonathan: Well, Hey,
glad, uh, glad to be here.

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Not so glad after a Saturday, but, um,
Yeah, another tough one, which feels

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like a rinse and repeat for the season.

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But, uh, we, we played a football game.

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We lost a football game, so,

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Aaron: yeah, we lose 42 35.

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Um, Mike is on vacation
for Thanksgiving this week.

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We brought you guys on when we've
actually won a game this year.

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Or are you just here to deliver
bad news to Monarch Nation?

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Jarod: see a trend developing, you
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to be the optimists or something.

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Maybe we'll be better next weekend.

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I don't

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Aaron: know.

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Maybe we have to start inviting you before
the games, you know, you never, it's

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you, it's not, it's a, what do they say?

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It's, it's not the correlation.

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It's definitely not causation because
we're asking you to come on afterwards,

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but

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Aaron: anyways, uh, Monarch Nation, you
can blame these guys, uh, two of the Best

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players in Old Dominion history talking
about, uh, one of the, uh, exciting,

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but, uh, more sad games of the season.

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Gary: Kind of the same thing we've
seen the last couple of weeks, right?

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We're close, but no cigar.

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I think that's the story of the season.

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I know it's six of our seven
losses have been one possession.

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Uh, so it's like a bounce here, a
play here and a penalty there and

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no penalty there, and maybe we're
having a different conversation, but.

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The end of the day, you are
what your record says you are.

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We are now 4 7 with this loss to
Marshall, playing for nothing but

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pride and a, you know, season win
total bet of over four and a half.

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So, we'll see.

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We still got one game left.

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We still got guys we want to see play and
support them that way, but I think there's

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time to kick off the dust on the transfer
portal and post season discussions here.

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Aaron: So this game starts out, you
know, not a lot of fireworks, you

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know, in the first quarter it ends 3
0 Marshall and, uh, you know, things

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get rolling a little bit in the second
quarter and this is a real game.

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Um, I know as you guys are
watching this game, the first

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half, what were your thoughts?

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Jonathan: Yeah, it was, um, we, we
definitely came, I mean, the defense

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came to play, obviously they put 17
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Just wasn't clicking again.

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I don't know.

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You know, maybe it was Marshall scheme.

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Maybe it's our scheme
coming in against him.

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But, um, you know, it's definitely
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offensive side of the ball.

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But, uh, you know, defense kept us
close, you know, as much as they

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could, uh, at least through the
first half and really fought for us.

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But, yeah, it was, um, definitely
slow start for us, which I think,

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you know, we we had that issue
at the beginning of the season.

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Uh, and then we started
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Uh, again, whether that's scheme related,
you know, everybody studies their film,

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you come out with your play sheet, right?

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This is, you know, our scripted
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first drive, second drive.

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Um, you know, obviously we don't
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it was definitely not what we
were hoping for in the first half.

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Jarod: Yeah, I feel like
that that all makes sense.

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I just from from a standpoint of how
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as we're sitting there watching it.

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I felt really good about some
of the big plays we were making.

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I felt like we were making these,
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of the RPOs that we'd hit over,
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And those things like, yeah, we
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drives, but we're playing well,
we're doing the right things.

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And in the middle of the first half, I
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I really did.

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I thought that, you know, we
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We were going to keep playing well on
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on offense, not keep playing well, because
like we said, we started pretty slow.

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Uh, and then our defense
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We've been talking about that
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And I felt really optimistic in the
middle of the first quarter of that game.

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Gary: Yeah, I just feel like the
offense got off to such a bad start.

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I mean, first play of the
game, it's balls intercepted.

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The pass was forced.

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The receiver really wasn't that open.

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I think that kind of set the stage
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apart in the fourth quarter with
the defense having to spend a lot

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of the first quarter on the field.

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But we stayed in it.

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I mean, for a while there, it looked
like it could get a little bit hairy

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when we were down by 10, we were able
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some key stops that turned what could
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goals, uh, but really just the offense
looked very similar to how it looked

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in the second half against Jamie.

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You just could not get any
kind of rhythm or momentum.

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I thought we ran the ball pretty well, at
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But anytime we were able to use that
to get a first down, we would go to

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the passing game and it'd be a pretty
quick, uh, three and out from that point.

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But.

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Auburn's definitely got it together
and came out of the second half firing.

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But I think the injuries that
we saw on the defensive side of

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the ball, like a Amorie Morrison
was out, Jahron Manning is out.

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Add that to the long list of guys who
are already out and you had a pretty

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thin defense that was on the field a
lot in the first part of that game.

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Aaron: Yeah, I think
that's great context, Gary.

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Um, some folks that don't
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we do may not be aware of that.

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I mean, you're of course, Jason has
been out pretty much the entire season.

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No, one of our starting
cornerbacks was out last game.

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Of course, J man, like you're
talking about out, you know,

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it's it's really hard, especially
at this point in the season.

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You know, everybody is nicked up.

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Every team has injuries, but

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Our defensive coaches, I think, have done
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that unit together with what they've got.

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And those guys that are out there
battling, um, you know, obviously

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you've got some of the same
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but not nearly to to the degree.

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One guy I want to really
shout out is Pat Conroy.

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I mean, he literally has been the only
tight end that we have all season.

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If you watch, if you watch the games
closely, He basically never comes out

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of the game unless he comes out for
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getting nicked up and he's right back in.

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Um, the guys are pulling him off off of
the ground routinely and he just keeps,

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you know, being a dude, but whatever
factory that guy was manufactured

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in, I would love five more of him.

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Uh, hats off to that

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Pretty big part of the offense too.

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It's not like he's just in
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I mean, he's, He's doing the,
the, a lot of the pre snap motion.

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He's, he's getting outside blocking,
he's blocking up the inside.

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He's getting those little, like I said
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across the middle or going up the middle.

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And I mean, he's getting the ball a lot.

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I mean, he is a huge part of the
offense and he's been killing it.

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Aaron: We had, what was it?

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That three play sequence where he kind
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It took a pass.

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The next play was the same
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to the left side.

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And then I think the third one
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We didn't have going to him,
but that dude is getting worked.

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Jonathan: Yeah, he's getting the ball.

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And I will say I had the pleasure
of meeting his parents at the J.

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Game.

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Uh, quite lovely people.

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And as you guys were saying, he's, uh,
he's a workhorse, you know, huge part

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of what, you know, success or driving
success on the offensive side of the ball.

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But, you know, the, I will say, you
know, exiting that that first half,

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um, Again, record is, is what it is.

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See, that's not what we want, but, uh,
you know, this team, we have a good

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football team, man, like our record sucks.

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We don't, we don't do the little
things when we need to sometimes,

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sometimes we do, uh, but like
we have a good football team.

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So heading into the half, you know,
down 17, seven offenses, not quite

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clicking yet, like, yeah, we had,
we scored obviously, but, uh, you

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know, as they headed into the locker
room, I'm like, all right, like we've

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got a game on our hand boys, like.

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We know this team's going to fight, uh,
again, are we going to do the little

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things and when, or are we going to fight,
have another one score game and lose?

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Uh, you know, we all know how that,
that turned out, but yeah, I, you know,

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going into the second half, I was like,
okay, like get your popcorn ready.

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Like we're going to have a ball game here.

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And certainly turned out that way.

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It didn't turn out the way we
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you know, outside of tech, right.

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We're we're in the games every, every
single week we're fighting, we're

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competing, like We're playing good
football, entertaining football, you

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know, uh, as a fan or as, you know,
former player, like you can appreciate

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that again, like I want to win, but
like, again, same thing with Marshall.

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It's like, Hey, we're in this game.

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Like we're going to do something.

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We're going to make moves like
we're going to push and fight.

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And they certainly did that.

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But like I said, didn't
get the result we wanted.

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Gary: I mean, you can criticize a
lot of things about this team in this

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program over the last few years, but
they have not once quit in the ball game

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Jarod: ever.

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Gary: And that is not the same for
a lot of programs across the board.

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You go watch some action and some of
those two win teams and three win teams.

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And they're having to
start all true freshmen.

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Cause the other guys are like,
nah, my ankle is banged up.

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No, my, my wrist has a bruise on it.

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I'm not going to play.

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You got Pat Conroy out there
making contact on every play.

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I think the guy's a cyborg at this
point, every joint is fricking taped.

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So, you know, if you're going
to go back to one real positive

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thing is these guys didn't quit.

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I don't expect to see any quit out of
them when they go to Arkansas state.

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But man, it's, uh, it's
tough to get this close.

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Like, I, it brings up that old question.

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Like, would you rather just get blown
out if you're going to lose seven games?

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So that way you can kind of make
peace with it and move forward.

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Or do you want to be in all these
one score games that go down to

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the wire each and every week?

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It's which, which knife do you want?

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Aaron: You know, I see
stuff like that online.

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People ask that question.

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You hear a lot of people go, I'd
rather just, you know, lose them

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all and be put out of my misery.

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But I don't know, maybe just me.

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I mean, I think that's freaking crazy,
you know, if you're not if you're not if

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you're a fan of the team I mean if you're
a fan of the team, you know, you want

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your team to to do well and maybe i'm just
used to You know, i'm a commander's fan.

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So maybe i'm just used to paying, you
know over not years but decades This

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weekend was no exception to the rule
Talk about the you know You go from

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the lowest of lows to the highest of
highs to the lowest of lows to the

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highest of highs to the lowest of lows
And then you get stuck on the lowest

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of lows because you lose the game.

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Um, and that's kind of how this, I
mean, that's kind of how this game was.

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You guys were saying, I mean,
17 to seven at the half.

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Next thing you know, you're winning 21
20, you know, and that's kind of been the

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tail of the tape for this team all year.

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Like Gary, you're saying,
man, they never quit.

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They just gotta don't
go home, stick around.

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And it was that way, like
all the way until what?

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About four minutes left in the game.

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It's 35, 35.

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Gary: Yeah, I mean, they fought
through and through and I mean,

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that's kind of a critical point.

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We come out of the, I come out of halftime
and unlike last week, the offense adjusted

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really well and I thought did a good
job of attacking what Marshall had up

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front and kind of had them scrambling
a couple of times, kind of trapped

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him on the field by by not subbing
and getting the looks that we wanted.

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We go up 21 20, defense comes
out, forces a punt, and then it's

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those mistakes that pop up again.

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I mean, if there's anyone on the
team I'd want back there catching

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that punt, it's Isaiah Paige.

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Like, and it's every day of the week.

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Jarod: Yeah, twice on sunday.

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I mean about there tomorrow.

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Yeah, I put him out there right now.

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You can't have a better
guy Catching the punts.

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It's what it's a mistake like it happens
The punt actually if you if you watch it

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the punt was more of a line drive than
normal And they got to him fairly quickly

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and he had to move so he's moving forward.

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The guys were still there It
was a bit of a line drive.

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So the pump was coming in more And I got
the blurry screen on it was coming in

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more here than it was coming in here You
Which a lot of times, if he's down here

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catching the ball like this, it drops
right into the basket if he's catching

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it like this and it's coming at him a
little bit more of an angle, it just

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caught him in the chest a little bit
before he, before he was ready for it too.

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It's just a tiny little thing.

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It's so small and it just makes
a huge difference in the game.

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And like it happens.

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We all make mistakes.

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We all mess up, especially in this sport.

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The sport is, it's incredibly hard
and it's just so unlucky that it has

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to be that situation, that times,
the one time that that happens to

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him, the guy is so good, I would
never take him out of that position.

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I think he's, he's probably one of
the best, maybe the best we've ever

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had as a part returner anyways.

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So,

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Gary: yeah.

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And I'm sure no one's tougher
on himself than Isaiah page.

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Like I know he's kicking
himself over that.

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And JMU last week.

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as it was tough.

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But I mean, that's a that's a
big turning point in the game.

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I mean, we get the ball there.

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We have the opportunity to go
potentially up by eight and

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kind of get some some distance.

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But instead, Marshall, just one play
later goes and scores a touchdown.

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And you could tell that quick and
sudden change kind of through the

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defense off a little bit there.

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Aaron: So now I'm gonna ask
you guys a question that I

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asked Ricky in the post game.

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I don't know if you got a chance to
watch the presser, but I opened up by

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asking about punting the ball away.

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Um, there at the end in the second
half, we really hadn't been able

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to slow down Marshall's offense.

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We talked a little bit about it, you
know, over the last 10 minutes or

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so with regards to how bad it was.

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beat up the defenses and just
kind of how things were going.

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I asked if he was conflicted on whether
to punt the ball or to go for it there.

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And he said it was a valid question.

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And then, you know, ultimately he, you
know, made the choice with how many

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timeouts he had left and the opportunity
to get the ball back where they were.

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We're kicking, you know, anyways,
they probably would have got a

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quick field goal if we had held him.

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So if you guys, uh, because it's This
is our podcast and, uh, curious what

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your opinions are, even though it
doesn't really matter what our opinions

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are, because none of us are coaches.

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Uh, what would you guys have
done during that situation?

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And why start with Jarod?

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You would, because we'll give the
puncher a moment to think about it.

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You're just,

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Jarod: let's go.

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Aaron: It's

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Jarod: like, let me pop whatever.

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Personally, I felt like we hadn't stopped
them with any consistency in the game

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and I would have gone for it, but also
we played for Bobby Wilder that man.

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He would have gone for anything, you
know, so I guess being a part of that type

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of team where it just yeah, we're going
to go for it in almost any situation.

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That's that's a little bit,
you know, here or there.

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Uh, in my mind, it's like, Oh yeah,
well, we would have gone for it.

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So, so I'd go for it, but I do understand
the hesitancy when we are as far

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back as we are, because he's right.

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It, we had what six yards ago or
four yards ago, something like that.

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I can't remember exactly what it was.

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Uh, if we don't get that, they kick a
field goal and the game's over, it's done.

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You know, there's no chance.

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So our defense being as good
as it is beat up or not in a

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crucial last drive of the game.

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Do you want to go on one
play or do you want to go on?

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I know my defense can stop them.

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I know that they can, even though
they haven't done it, it makes sense.

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And I think a lot of head coaches,
college NFL, I would say the,

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the overwhelming majority of head
coaches in the college and the NFL

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would have pumped the ball there.

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That was

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Aaron: fourth.

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Yeah, it was fourth and five.

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Fourth and final.

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Okay.

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So Right, right in the middle.

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And you know, I think the, I mean, as
a coach, I, I'm sure Ricky is thinking,

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you know, he knows what his defense is.

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Exactly.

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You're gonna thinking what my defense
is and what they're capable of.

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Maybe not necessarily in that moment
thinking exactly how beat up they are.

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Or does the defense
Seiler had at that moment?

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Is it his defense at full strength?

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Or is it one that's completely worn out?

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But before I, before I talk too much
about this, I don't want, uh, Jonathan's

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good ideas to escape that noggin.

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So

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Jonathan: what you got man?

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They run out real quick.

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Uh, you know, sometimes I
have to write them down.

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Um, you know, the punter in me
always, you know, well, first off

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as a punter, you never want to punt.

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But obviously, if you get in that
situation, fourth and five liar, Hey,

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I was happy when Taylor was 23 times my
senior year, like we won games, right?

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Um, you know, football's team game, right?

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Uh, but as a punter, you never want
to get in a fourth down situation,

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but as a punter, if you're in that
fourth down situation, it's critical.

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Like you can really influence the game.

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You want to have an opportunity
to help your team, right?

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So you go out there, okay, coach makes
the call, which, you know, I'll, I'll talk

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about that, but like, do you want to go
out there and you want to put your team

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in as good a position as you can, again,
whether that's kicking away from returner.

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pinning them deep, flipping
the field like you want to go

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out there and compete, right?

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But I do agree with the call.

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Um, you know, there's the
data, the analytics, right?

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I'm sure we could get, uh, ask
chat GPT what the, uh, you know,

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data says on going forward on 4th
and five with three minutes left.

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But, um, you know, you have time outs.

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Sure, the defense is gassed, they're hurt.

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Uh, but they're competitors and hey,
do you want to put the game on one

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play as Jarod was talking about?

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Or do you want to try to flip the
field, stack the box, play man

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coverage, sell out, make them get a
couple of first downs to beat you?

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Like again, like if he had gone for
it, they were in field goal range.

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They could have just ran the ball
a couple of times and definitely

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put the game out of reach.

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Whereas if you punt it away, try to flip
the field, you have to make them beat you.

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And again, I mean, they
were ahead, but like.

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They have to perform to seal the game.

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Whereas if they have one play, they're
going to seal the game, kick a field goal,

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and you know, that that's all she wrote.

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That's, uh, I definitely
agree with the call again.

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You know, there's all the data and
analytics and opinion and yeah, Bobby

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Wilder would have went for that, you
know, 12 out of 10 times, but, uh, you

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know, with the coaching staff, you know,
coach Rahne, just how he approaches

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the game, I do agree with the call.

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Uh, you know, obviously it didn't work out
the way we wanted it, but, uh, you know,

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I'm definitely in the same campus and

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Gary: it's a tough call because I don't
think that there is like a good decision

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that you're having to make there.

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Like, either way, you're kind of
putting yourself in a bad spot.

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It's like, uh.

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I think I've said it before on here.

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It's like playing blackjack.

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You have 16, the dealer's showing a 10.

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Like you're probably going to
lose that hand no matter what.

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The smart move is to take one
more card because it gives

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you the most options to win.

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If you sit there at 16, you're
almost guaranteed that you're,

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you're going to lose on that.

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So you're north of the,
the two minute timeout.

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I think we're like, we punted it like 245.

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You've got all three
timeouts plus the two minute.

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You're on your own 30.

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You all are right.

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Okay.

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Or you want to put it all on getting
more than five yards on one play after

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we Colton just got stuffed on a run on
second down, we had a pass nearly get

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intercepted on third down, trying to throw
a short route to get that first down.

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Like Marshall had been pretty good
defending the middle of the field

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and we had been pretty bad about
reading receivers in the field.

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So, I think you go back to what's my
best unit, what's been my go to unit

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all year and how's my punter been today?

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Well, Seamus had been great.

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He booms the ball down to the 11.

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In your head, you're thinking, all
right, even if they get one first

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down, we can still make a stop, call
the timeouts and get the ball back.

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And we ultimately did.

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They're just, they got one more
first down than they needed.

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So I, I would have punted away there
too, because I'll take my chances punting

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the ball down the field, pinning them
inside the 20 and letting my defense go

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eat, uh, then trying to have some sort
of weird creative offensive play on my

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own 30 that will make it a two score
game, even if they don't get a yard.

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Aaron: Yeah.

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I think what do we, we had two
timeouts, I think at that point,

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plus the two minute timeout.

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It's either two or three.

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Plenty of time.

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Yeah, and the ball stopping,
you know, on first downs under.

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We had all three timeouts left.

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So, yeah, I mean, I totally get it.

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Uh, you know, we could debate it and
that's what's fun talking about it.

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Um, and, you know, if you're a
monarch fan, nobody's right or

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nobody's wrong in the situation.

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I mean, There's lots of coaches that would
go for it or not go for it at that moment.

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It just happened to not work out for us.

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Unfortunately, um, the, the
other one, go ahead, go ahead.

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Gary: Well, the other factor to
kind of throw in that situation is

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Deontay vines has kind of been our
third down guy and our late game guy.

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Like he is the one that had all the
catches on that last drive against

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JMU to kind of give us a chance at
the onsite kick been there a lot

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for us late in games, like Georgia
state, other places like that, and

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he had been injured and was on the
sideline with his foot in the booth.

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So now you've lost, like, one of
your two true receiving weapons and

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they were put in a bracket on Conroy.

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So, you know, you start looking at
what you have offensively, too, of

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like, what's your move, who are you
going to, who's going to be your guy?

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And I think there are more
options on defense than offense,

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even still at that point.

447
00:23:04,565 --> 00:23:06,554
Jarod: Yeah, I still thought
it was the right call, just,

448
00:23:06,555 --> 00:23:07,434
Gary: you

449
00:23:07,515 --> 00:23:09,355
Jarod: know, I may have
gone for it because I'd be

450
00:23:09,365 --> 00:23:10,675
crazy, but that's, you know.

451
00:23:11,100 --> 00:23:12,470
Well, if you guys did

452
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:17,129
Aaron: used to go for it, like, you
know, fourth down on your 29 yard line

453
00:23:17,969 --> 00:23:22,079
on the road at UVA while we're winning
with lots of time in the second half.

454
00:23:22,110 --> 00:23:24,340
I mean, nothing was safe, right?

455
00:23:24,679 --> 00:23:25,000
Yeah.

456
00:23:25,219 --> 00:23:27,559
With, with that guy, he was crazy.

457
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,010
He's like, fuck it.

458
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:30,760
We're onside kicking it again.

459
00:23:30,989 --> 00:23:32,610
You're like, we just did on the last one.

460
00:23:32,620 --> 00:23:34,550
We, we, we, well, we got the last one.

461
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:35,710
Didn't actually happen.

462
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:35,990
That

463
00:23:35,990 --> 00:23:37,430
Jarod: that's a real true story.

464
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:38,080
That happens.

465
00:23:38,550 --> 00:23:39,600
You gotta get it on film

466
00:23:39,620 --> 00:23:40,050
Aaron: somehow,

467
00:23:40,050 --> 00:23:40,390
Jarod: right?

468
00:23:41,010 --> 00:23:41,240
Aaron: Yeah.

469
00:23:41,690 --> 00:23:43,780
Jarod: If one's good, two must be better.

470
00:23:44,030 --> 00:23:48,749
It was nuts, but hey, you know,
That's another episode that, It

471
00:23:48,750 --> 00:23:50,320
worked in the FCS, believe it

472
00:23:50,350 --> 00:23:50,770
Aaron: or not.

473
00:23:51,285 --> 00:23:51,615
All right.

474
00:23:51,625 --> 00:23:56,775
So, hey, since we have you guys on
here, I'm gonna ask another question.

475
00:23:57,225 --> 00:23:59,705
Uh, it also has to do
with the kicking game.

476
00:23:59,705 --> 00:24:01,595
But let's just talk
special teams in general.

477
00:24:02,304 --> 00:24:05,875
Special teams was an area where
we struggled in this game.

478
00:24:06,485 --> 00:24:07,694
Ricky talked about it.

479
00:24:08,154 --> 00:24:13,915
Um, we've been the special teams play
over the course of the season is usually

480
00:24:13,915 --> 00:24:18,185
been, you know, from my perspective,
it's been pretty good all season.

481
00:24:18,185 --> 00:24:22,455
You guys might have a different
opinion, but on Saturday.

482
00:24:22,485 --> 00:24:27,305
It was not, um, overall,
at least when we needed it.

483
00:24:28,195 --> 00:24:32,284
But my question is more
tailored to kickoffs.

484
00:24:33,314 --> 00:24:41,014
So we struggled when it came to kickoffs
this past week, whether we were kind of

485
00:24:41,335 --> 00:24:45,884
doing a higher, shorter kickoff or we
were doing a more traditional kickoff.

486
00:24:46,535 --> 00:24:51,505
It seemed like no matter what
we did, things weren't going

487
00:24:51,505 --> 00:24:53,055
well for us in the kick.

488
00:24:53,705 --> 00:24:55,825
Kick off a part of the game.

489
00:24:56,585 --> 00:25:01,655
At what point do you realize
that it's just not your game?

490
00:25:02,535 --> 00:25:05,945
And we're not going to give these guys
a chance to return the ball at all

491
00:25:06,385 --> 00:25:08,885
We're just going to kick it out of
the back of the end zone or into the

492
00:25:08,885 --> 00:25:13,404
end zone Or if we kick in the end zone
and they want to return it so forth

493
00:25:13,474 --> 00:25:16,665
But am I completely off base here?

494
00:25:16,765 --> 00:25:20,905
And if I am please tell me so
as you guys are watching this

495
00:25:20,905 --> 00:25:21,905
game What are you thinking?

496
00:25:24,604 --> 00:25:25,635
I'll let you go first jerry.

497
00:25:25,705 --> 00:25:28,534
Jarod: I think you get to start with
this one and i'll You I'll come in.

498
00:25:28,534 --> 00:25:28,985
We did that.

499
00:25:29,294 --> 00:25:29,625
Yeah.

500
00:25:29,804 --> 00:25:30,155
Jonathan: Yeah.

501
00:25:30,205 --> 00:25:35,715
It's um, so contrary to popular
belief, uh, kickers and punters to

502
00:25:35,715 --> 00:25:39,334
watch film, there's a lot of film
study that goes into special teams.

503
00:25:39,774 --> 00:25:43,995
Uh, you know, not necessarily
from like a kicking and punting,

504
00:25:44,014 --> 00:25:45,064
but from a scheme, right?

505
00:25:45,064 --> 00:25:46,320
Like, What do they do?

506
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,000
Well, are they like a return right?

507
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,820
Are they wall or the
man like onsite kicks?

508
00:25:50,850 --> 00:25:51,790
Like, are they open to that?

509
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:57,929
Like you typically will cater
your coverage or kickoff team to

510
00:25:57,929 --> 00:25:59,909
what the team does not do well.

511
00:26:00,029 --> 00:26:05,379
So obviously Marshall had what,
118 return yards on kicks.

512
00:26:05,550 --> 00:26:10,370
Um, so obviously yeah, three, three
kick returns that really hurt us.

513
00:26:11,335 --> 00:26:15,375
So obviously they saw something
on film and they exploited it.

514
00:26:15,645 --> 00:26:19,265
Um, you know, again, why
it happened, nobody knows.

515
00:26:19,425 --> 00:26:23,275
Uh, but that's kind of like Marshall
saw something and they executed on it.

516
00:26:23,345 --> 00:26:26,575
And then to your point, changing it up
again, whether it's kicking it out of

517
00:26:26,585 --> 00:26:32,514
the end zone, if we can, like, or sky
kicks squibs, like, you know, one time.

518
00:26:32,865 --> 00:26:33,295
Okay.

519
00:26:33,385 --> 00:26:34,635
That's just kind of a freak occurrence.

520
00:26:34,655 --> 00:26:38,034
Cause you have 11 guys, 10 guys
running down the field, full speed,

521
00:26:38,345 --> 00:26:40,985
depending on if the play, you know,
kicks placed in the right spot.

522
00:26:41,005 --> 00:26:41,325
Mike.

523
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,520
There's so many different variables
and it happens so quickly, like

524
00:26:44,530 --> 00:26:47,990
someone can just squirt out, uh,
but for it to happen multiple times

525
00:26:48,290 --> 00:26:50,750
again, nobody knows the answer why.

526
00:26:50,750 --> 00:26:54,480
But to your point, Aaron,
uh, how do we avoid that?

527
00:26:54,790 --> 00:26:58,169
Whether it's just blasting and out of
the back, you know, send a squibber down

528
00:26:58,170 --> 00:27:01,459
the middle of the field, you know, tuck
them in the corner with the sky kick.

529
00:27:01,459 --> 00:27:06,130
Like again, it's, uh, I mean,
football is a chess game, right?

530
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,400
You have all offensive defense,
same with special teams.

531
00:27:08,685 --> 00:27:10,655
You see something, they did something.

532
00:27:10,665 --> 00:27:13,215
Do you adjust in time or
do they keep exploiting it?

533
00:27:13,225 --> 00:27:16,785
You know, like I said, I'm not going
to talk like I know what happened

534
00:27:16,785 --> 00:27:21,434
or whatnot, but, uh, you would hope
that we would adjust to prevent that,

535
00:27:21,674 --> 00:27:23,135
but it just didn't happen again.

536
00:27:23,514 --> 00:27:26,014
That's not anything saying
the coaches didn't adjust.

537
00:27:26,014 --> 00:27:30,626
Like Marshall made a play, uh, again,
maybe someone ran down the wrong lane,

538
00:27:30,626 --> 00:27:32,529
but for it to happen three times, like.

539
00:27:32,820 --> 00:27:33,490
That really hurt us.

540
00:27:33,500 --> 00:27:34,660
That really changed the game.

541
00:27:34,990 --> 00:27:39,250
Uh, you know, it was unfortunate
to see, but, uh, yeah, it's,

542
00:27:39,660 --> 00:27:41,990
it was definitely a tough one,
especially as a special teams guy.

543
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:45,079
Jarod: Yeah.

544
00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:45,909
So I,

545
00:27:48,340 --> 00:27:50,089
I don't even, I don't even know
where to start with this one.

546
00:27:50,409 --> 00:27:51,330
I felt.

547
00:27:52,949 --> 00:27:55,540
a little frustrated the whole time
as those things were happening.

548
00:27:55,949 --> 00:28:00,439
Um, but the one thing I know I can
say is that we don't know how much

549
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,260
they practice a popover, a sky kick
as Blisco called it the same thing.

550
00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:05,489
We did it once in the game.

551
00:28:05,789 --> 00:28:09,460
Uh, it wasn't perfectly
executed, but it worked.

552
00:28:09,490 --> 00:28:12,360
We made them call the fair catch
and that's exactly what you want.

553
00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:15,709
Uh, it was a little shorter than I
think the coaches probably wanted.

554
00:28:15,929 --> 00:28:18,530
I think that I have a reason
why that's the case, but.

555
00:28:19,125 --> 00:28:20,915
That's, you know, that's
not for me to say.

556
00:28:20,915 --> 00:28:21,235
Really.

557
00:28:21,545 --> 00:28:28,065
Um, I do feel like if they practice that
a lot, then they may have just kept,

558
00:28:28,075 --> 00:28:29,345
they should have kept going with it.

559
00:28:29,745 --> 00:28:31,565
Uh, they didn't keep going with it.

560
00:28:31,875 --> 00:28:34,125
The next time they lined up that way.

561
00:28:34,224 --> 00:28:40,395
Uh, I think it was in the, in the fourth
quarter, they lined up a little different.

562
00:28:40,395 --> 00:28:43,435
They lined up to where their, their
returner, where we had been kicking

563
00:28:43,435 --> 00:28:46,030
into on the right side was 20 yards up.

564
00:28:46,030 --> 00:28:48,919
He's standing on the 20 yard line
because if we do the pop over,

565
00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:52,800
then they want to get him the
ball and not call the fair catch.

566
00:28:52,810 --> 00:28:55,219
So then Ethan Chang kicked it
over his head, put it right

567
00:28:55,219 --> 00:28:56,179
on like the two yard line.

568
00:28:56,179 --> 00:28:58,919
I think it bounced into
the end zone and it worked.

569
00:28:59,410 --> 00:29:02,580
Um, I feel like Pusko
said, we don't really know.

570
00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:07,400
What they said, we don't know
what adjustments they made.

571
00:29:07,660 --> 00:29:10,830
Uh, I guarantee you that that
one popover was on purpose.

572
00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:12,560
We know for a fact that was on purpose.

573
00:29:12,580 --> 00:29:12,830
Right.

574
00:29:12,890 --> 00:29:14,029
Ricky Rahne said it right.

575
00:29:14,029 --> 00:29:17,270
He said in the, in the, your post
comp or post game press conference

576
00:29:17,270 --> 00:29:19,130
that we tried some different kickoffs.

577
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,439
Uh, so they did it, they made a
change, and then the next time

578
00:29:23,439 --> 00:29:26,379
they kicked the ball to the guy,
he just does the same thing.

579
00:29:26,669 --> 00:29:31,669
I, you know, I feel like I would've maybe
just kept with a, with the pop over, but

580
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:33,620
like I said, it wasn't executed perfectly.

581
00:29:33,620 --> 00:29:35,209
I don't know how much they practice it.

582
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:38,510
Maybe they felt, uh, you know
what, we don't wanna do that again.

583
00:29:38,540 --> 00:29:41,840
Because what if they do line the guy
up a little bit closer and he gets the

584
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,129
ball and he gets the ball on the 30 yard
line versus getting the ball all the way

585
00:29:45,129 --> 00:29:47,320
on the, on the five, uh, or whatever.

586
00:29:48,410 --> 00:29:52,720
So it's really tough because people
in the stands are losing their minds.

587
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,430
And they're saying this and that, and
the other thing about, you know, what

588
00:29:55,430 --> 00:29:59,860
they should be doing and what they don't
really understand is let's go set it.

589
00:30:00,070 --> 00:30:03,690
Every team's making adjustments and
they're going to make their adjustments

590
00:30:03,690 --> 00:30:05,239
and we have to counter with ours.

591
00:30:05,629 --> 00:30:07,439
And it's really tough on a kickoff.

592
00:30:07,490 --> 00:30:09,630
If you haven't.

593
00:30:10,095 --> 00:30:13,455
Practice a specific thing that you
didn't know you needed to do because

594
00:30:13,655 --> 00:30:16,655
in the film study that we've done,
this team doesn't really do this.

595
00:30:16,685 --> 00:30:18,094
Maybe they don't reverse the field a ton.

596
00:30:18,095 --> 00:30:18,575
I don't know.

597
00:30:18,575 --> 00:30:21,875
I haven't watched their film, but
maybe they don't reverse the field.

598
00:30:21,875 --> 00:30:23,224
So that's why we kicked it.

599
00:30:23,494 --> 00:30:26,644
I think this game, I noticed
we were kicking from the right

600
00:30:26,644 --> 00:30:27,625
hash kicking to the right.

601
00:30:27,644 --> 00:30:29,035
I don't think we do that every time.

602
00:30:29,035 --> 00:30:30,595
I think a lot of times we're
in the middle, we're on the

603
00:30:30,595 --> 00:30:32,195
left hash kicking to the left.

604
00:30:32,195 --> 00:30:33,635
I think it was on purpose, right?

605
00:30:33,635 --> 00:30:36,805
So we went from the right hash to
the right side of the field, trying

606
00:30:36,805 --> 00:30:39,224
to pin them in the corner because
maybe that's where they struggled.

607
00:30:39,515 --> 00:30:43,225
And they realized, okay, well, they're
probably going to do this and they cut

608
00:30:43,225 --> 00:30:47,794
it across the field, knowing that if
our guys are going this way, then they

609
00:30:47,794 --> 00:30:49,785
can go across that and they can beat us.

610
00:30:49,855 --> 00:30:52,215
So, so many things go into it.

611
00:30:52,515 --> 00:30:56,974
Uh, and it's really tough to say, you
know, what could have changed and when

612
00:30:56,974 --> 00:30:59,785
you should have changed it because
we obviously saw them make a change.

613
00:30:59,785 --> 00:31:03,115
They did it and they tried to change the
other things and it just didn't work out.

614
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:09,030
So, yeah, I was frustrated during the
game, of course, because I always want

615
00:31:09,030 --> 00:31:11,840
the kickoffs to just like, it was my
favorite thing in the world to just

616
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,340
kick it in the back of the end zone,
like, just kick it as hard as you

617
00:31:14,340 --> 00:31:15,549
can't put in the back of the end zone.

618
00:31:15,550 --> 00:31:16,110
And that's great.

619
00:31:16,429 --> 00:31:19,349
But there are certain situations where
you need to do something different.

620
00:31:19,370 --> 00:31:22,249
And, uh, yeah, this one didn't
work out for us very well.

621
00:31:22,250 --> 00:31:24,904
But, you know, I do understand the better.

622
00:31:26,365 --> 00:31:30,045
The answer that that he gave in
the post game press conference

623
00:31:30,045 --> 00:31:31,775
that we tried different things.

624
00:31:31,815 --> 00:31:32,885
They did a really good job.

625
00:31:32,895 --> 00:31:34,195
It didn't really work out for us.

626
00:31:34,325 --> 00:31:34,415
It's

627
00:31:36,215 --> 00:31:38,234
Gary: one of those areas you
probably don't expect to become a

628
00:31:38,235 --> 00:31:41,735
problem for you because it has not
been a problem really all season.

629
00:31:42,414 --> 00:31:44,774
I think I think coach Rahne
said they hadn't allowed one out

630
00:31:44,785 --> 00:31:46,805
beyond the 30 all season long.

631
00:31:47,505 --> 00:31:50,935
So you're, you're kind of adding that to
like, all right, this is a new problem.

632
00:31:50,935 --> 00:31:53,155
Or is, was that just a blip on the radar?

633
00:31:53,785 --> 00:31:56,995
You're, you're seeing new things in
the last game or last home game of

634
00:31:56,995 --> 00:32:01,255
the season that you probably weren't
expecting, but you were right about,

635
00:32:01,255 --> 00:32:04,514
uh, it, they must've been preparing to
reverse fields because the first time

636
00:32:04,514 --> 00:32:08,295
they did it, the blocks were so well
set up, like they were letting free

637
00:32:08,295 --> 00:32:12,295
rushers come down that right sideline
and just letting them run past the ball.

638
00:32:12,304 --> 00:32:14,015
Cause they knew they were
going to the other side, to

639
00:32:14,015 --> 00:32:15,225
the Marshall sideline and out.

640
00:32:15,245 --> 00:32:15,485
So,

641
00:32:16,695 --> 00:32:20,325
Jonathan: yeah, I think on that, on that
point of, uh, you know, it's like, okay,

642
00:32:20,325 --> 00:32:23,564
the entire year, nobody's out past the 30.

643
00:32:23,865 --> 00:32:25,365
But they have all that film.

644
00:32:25,365 --> 00:32:30,785
They have all, I mean, you, I don't
think people appreciate the amount

645
00:32:30,785 --> 00:32:34,415
of people, the amount of hours,
every single game, every aspect

646
00:32:34,415 --> 00:32:36,555
of the game that is dissected.

647
00:32:36,575 --> 00:32:36,915
Sure.

648
00:32:36,965 --> 00:32:42,404
Offense defense, the special teams gets
if pretty much the same treatment as

649
00:32:42,404 --> 00:32:45,075
far as what do they do consistently?

650
00:32:45,245 --> 00:32:45,795
What do they do?

651
00:32:45,795 --> 00:32:48,305
Well, who does what, how do they do it?

652
00:32:48,555 --> 00:32:49,595
How can we exploit that?

653
00:32:49,635 --> 00:32:53,395
So if all year we're running the same,
you know, kicking it from the middle

654
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,340
Middle of the field to the left.

655
00:32:55,630 --> 00:32:55,910
Okay.

656
00:32:55,910 --> 00:32:58,950
We switched to the right, but we
know that again, maybe our guy

657
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,140
hooks in at the 25 yard line.

658
00:33:01,510 --> 00:33:02,450
So he's susceptible.

659
00:33:02,450 --> 00:33:05,410
If you can get an outside leverage
block, you can pop that corner.

660
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,779
So it's like, again, it's the
chess match of what are they doing?

661
00:33:08,780 --> 00:33:09,959
What do they consistently do?

662
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:10,999
What can we expect?

663
00:33:11,259 --> 00:33:12,230
How do we exploit it?

664
00:33:12,290 --> 00:33:14,400
And again, Marshall exploited it.

665
00:33:14,450 --> 00:33:17,540
We tried different things to counter
that, but they just kept executing

666
00:33:17,540 --> 00:33:21,460
on, especially the kick return
side of the thing of, of things.

667
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:22,219
Uh, they just.

668
00:33:22,780 --> 00:33:26,190
kept hitting us, you know, three big
returns that really hurt us in the game.

669
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:28,000
Jarod: Yeah.

670
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,400
I don't think that there was as much of.

671
00:33:31,315 --> 00:33:34,695
Mistakes from us on kickoff
as everyone thinks there were.

672
00:33:34,965 --> 00:33:37,355
I think they just beat us on kickoff.

673
00:33:37,415 --> 00:33:41,834
They just, they did the game plan did a
little better or they game plan something

674
00:33:41,834 --> 00:33:45,325
that we just didn't expect because like
we said, nobody's done it to us before.

675
00:33:45,595 --> 00:33:47,434
And yeah, they just beat us.

676
00:33:47,725 --> 00:33:50,615
They, they had a good scheme
and that's just how it goes.

677
00:33:50,875 --> 00:33:53,735
And it's really tough for that to
happen as a fan that you're sitting

678
00:33:53,735 --> 00:33:56,384
in the stands watching, you're like,
what the hell are our guys doing wrong?

679
00:33:56,615 --> 00:33:57,635
They're screwing up.

680
00:33:57,644 --> 00:33:58,415
They're doing this.

681
00:33:58,445 --> 00:33:59,154
They're doing that.

682
00:33:59,705 --> 00:34:00,435
Gary: In reality,

683
00:34:00,435 --> 00:34:02,905
Jarod: they could be doing exactly
what they were supposed to be doing.

684
00:34:02,945 --> 00:34:06,204
And somebody just did it better
and counteracted it perfectly.

685
00:34:06,205 --> 00:34:06,975
And if they do that.

686
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,780
I mean, what are you supposed to do about
it in the moment you try to make changes?

687
00:34:10,810 --> 00:34:11,830
Sometimes it doesn't work.

688
00:34:13,420 --> 00:34:14,070
It was a tough one.

689
00:34:14,810 --> 00:34:17,470
I think it's a special teams this week.

690
00:34:17,550 --> 00:34:20,650
Aaron: I appreciate that that
perspective from both you guys.

691
00:34:20,670 --> 00:34:22,899
And that's why I asked the
question because I'm one of those

692
00:34:22,899 --> 00:34:25,059
knucklehead fans in the stands.

693
00:34:25,580 --> 00:34:29,779
So to get the viewpoint from two
guys that did it a super high level.

694
00:34:30,205 --> 00:34:35,185
To share with, you know, a lot of
folks are probably like, like me, um,

695
00:34:35,415 --> 00:34:39,804
who's not as strong from a technical
standpoint of the game, I think,

696
00:34:39,925 --> 00:34:43,314
you know, it's helpful there to, to
have some good perspective there.

697
00:34:43,905 --> 00:34:49,845
Um, I know we've, you have focused
on a lot of the opportunities, um,

698
00:34:50,235 --> 00:34:53,775
that the team has, I could have, you
know, things could have done better.

699
00:34:54,235 --> 00:34:57,325
Uh, one thing that I did see on
social media, that some people

700
00:34:57,945 --> 00:35:01,725
that giving a hard time was talking
about our offensive line play.

701
00:35:02,555 --> 00:35:02,895
But

702
00:35:04,985 --> 00:35:09,675
I think those guys played pretty well
in this game And one dude that we

703
00:35:09,675 --> 00:35:13,874
talked about like a lot last week in
previewing marshall was mike green

704
00:35:14,705 --> 00:35:20,394
Gary, you talked a lot about that guy
how dominant he's been all season what

705
00:35:20,394 --> 00:35:22,565
he had 15 sacks come into the game.

706
00:35:22,565 --> 00:35:23,015
I think

707
00:35:23,645 --> 00:35:24,995
Gary: it was either 15 or 16.

708
00:35:25,205 --> 00:35:25,835
I mean, yeah.

709
00:35:26,255 --> 00:35:27,485
Aaron: And how many does he have now?

710
00:35:28,535 --> 00:35:31,615
Gary: Whatever he walked in the door
with on Saturday is what he left with.

711
00:35:32,034 --> 00:35:32,254
Aaron: Yeah.

712
00:35:32,255 --> 00:35:36,585
He got five, five, five
tackles, I think three solos.

713
00:35:37,454 --> 00:35:40,754
So Marshall was trying lots
of things with that dude.

714
00:35:40,874 --> 00:35:44,295
And no matter where they line them
up, our offensive line did a pretty

715
00:35:44,295 --> 00:35:46,395
good job of keeping him in check.

716
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,130
Gary: And it's not like we just doubled
him and let other guys run wild.

717
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:55,010
Like, Marshall only had one sack
for the game, so they were doing a

718
00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:56,550
pretty good job at pass protection.

719
00:35:56,930 --> 00:36:00,070
And I thought we schemed pretty
well to get the ball out quickly to

720
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:02,100
almost use their rush against them.

721
00:36:02,585 --> 00:36:05,885
Um, I hate to tell you that the one
person that got a sack in that game was D.

722
00:36:05,885 --> 00:36:06,055
B.

723
00:36:06,055 --> 00:36:06,645
Harris.

724
00:36:06,735 --> 00:36:09,785
Uh, if that name sounds familiar
to anyone who is out there.

725
00:36:11,045 --> 00:36:15,805
Yes, uh, he also had a pretty big
tackle, uh, on Colton Joseph on

726
00:36:15,805 --> 00:36:17,255
that final drive where we punted.

727
00:36:17,255 --> 00:36:20,015
And that's the one we were talking
about, held Colton to one yard

728
00:36:20,015 --> 00:36:21,545
with a hell of a tackle there too.

729
00:36:21,545 --> 00:36:25,005
So, um, yeah, it's,

730
00:36:26,355 --> 00:36:31,005
Jarod: yeah, I, I had to go back and
look at the stats just now, but I am

731
00:36:31,005 --> 00:36:32,945
surprised that people said that this week.

732
00:36:33,550 --> 00:36:36,740
Uh, we had 500 over 500
yards of total offense.

733
00:36:37,770 --> 00:36:44,009
We had 286 rushing yards and if
anyone isn't clear, that doesn't

734
00:36:44,010 --> 00:36:45,459
happen without the offensive line.

735
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,160
That's, that's not just
Colton making plays.

736
00:36:49,269 --> 00:36:50,769
Colton does make plays.

737
00:36:50,769 --> 00:36:54,660
There is no doubt about it, but Colton
has one guy to beat for a reason.

738
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,450
The offensive line is blocking
everyone they're supposed to be

739
00:36:57,450 --> 00:37:00,589
blocking and the plays are designed
for Colton to have one guy to beat.

740
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,070
You know, Aaron is getting outside and
running somebody over, but he's running

741
00:37:05,070 --> 00:37:10,130
somebody over in the back, in the, in the
linebackers or the defensive backs, he's

742
00:37:10,130 --> 00:37:13,850
not having to run over a defensive lineman
because the offensive line is blocking

743
00:37:14,220 --> 00:37:15,390
the offensive line had a good game.

744
00:37:15,410 --> 00:37:18,110
There's, I, I'm, I'm surprised to
hear that actually, that people

745
00:37:18,110 --> 00:37:19,709
were, were really upset about them.

746
00:37:19,709 --> 00:37:22,180
I mean, it was, uh, we scored 35 points.

747
00:37:23,900 --> 00:37:25,850
It's not like they beat us 42 to seven.

748
00:37:26,350 --> 00:37:26,690
You know, I

749
00:37:26,730 --> 00:37:29,650
Aaron: think it's one of those things
that, you know, folks, Hey, we've

750
00:37:29,650 --> 00:37:31,680
got a really passionate fan base.

751
00:37:31,730 --> 00:37:36,150
I mean, no different than this, this
whole podcast, all this stuff that we do.

752
00:37:36,595 --> 00:37:41,845
We're fans who were
craving this kind of thing.

753
00:37:41,845 --> 00:37:46,515
We just happen to start it, but fans
are sharp for fanatics and you know,

754
00:37:46,515 --> 00:37:49,875
sometimes when you're in the heat of
the moment or you're really disappointed

755
00:37:49,875 --> 00:37:54,305
because you want your team, you want
your team to do well, let's face it.

756
00:37:54,545 --> 00:37:55,914
We all remember.

757
00:37:56,685 --> 00:38:02,435
The teams that you guys were on and the
success that those teams had and it's

758
00:38:02,445 --> 00:38:08,285
difficult as, you know, a fan that you
remember all that stuff and you want it.

759
00:38:08,335 --> 00:38:11,405
We want it now and we
haven't had it in a while.

760
00:38:11,885 --> 00:38:15,754
So I think it's very easy for
for people to talk emotionally

761
00:38:15,755 --> 00:38:17,145
about certain things and.

762
00:38:17,545 --> 00:38:17,785
Kind of

763
00:38:20,205 --> 00:38:25,705
make statements sometimes that aren't
completely factually true because we've no

764
00:38:25,705 --> 00:38:27,085
different than being a commander's fans.

765
00:38:27,085 --> 00:38:29,925
Hey, guys, you know, uh,
we, we want our team to win.

766
00:38:29,925 --> 00:38:31,694
We just haven't seen
it in quite some time.

767
00:38:32,805 --> 00:38:35,294
Gary: I mean, Aaron young had 6.

768
00:38:35,345 --> 00:38:36,505
2 yards per carry.

769
00:38:36,525 --> 00:38:38,214
That was also our team average.

770
00:38:38,215 --> 00:38:40,715
If you include the sack
yardage that's lost.

771
00:38:41,665 --> 00:38:45,065
So, the offensive line was definitely
doing some pretty good work up front

772
00:38:45,135 --> 00:38:47,495
against a front 7 for Marshall.

773
00:38:47,515 --> 00:38:49,005
That's really good.

774
00:38:49,330 --> 00:38:52,200
Like they're probably going to have two
or three all Sunbelt guys out of there,

775
00:38:52,210 --> 00:38:54,450
just defensive line and linebacker core.

776
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:58,510
Uh, and it, we have lost some guys
in the offensive line this year.

777
00:38:58,620 --> 00:39:00,709
Like we've got guys starting now
that we're not starting at the

778
00:39:00,709 --> 00:39:03,930
beginning of the season and they
have, I think, come together pretty

779
00:39:03,930 --> 00:39:07,910
well the last couple of weeks to,
along with the scheming being right.

780
00:39:08,339 --> 00:39:11,950
But yeah, they're pretty low on my list
of things to complain about for that game.

781
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:12,780
Jarod: Yeah.

782
00:39:12,780 --> 00:39:17,400
I mean, if you, if you really wanted to
complain, like there was a few plays where

783
00:39:17,410 --> 00:39:19,110
Golden didn't have a ton of time, but.

784
00:39:20,715 --> 00:39:26,925
I keep going back to the same idea
that the other 120 guys that play for

785
00:39:26,925 --> 00:39:32,224
Marshall, just like we said about JMU,
just like we said about App State, they're

786
00:39:32,225 --> 00:39:33,865
doing the exact same things we are.

787
00:39:34,364 --> 00:39:35,915
They're preparing the exact same way.

788
00:39:36,234 --> 00:39:41,515
And at some point you're going to get
beat, whether it's one play or whether

789
00:39:41,515 --> 00:39:44,765
it's the whole game, at some point
the other guy's going to do his job.

790
00:39:45,255 --> 00:39:48,785
And they did their job sometimes
and they got by us sometimes.

791
00:39:49,155 --> 00:39:51,125
But our offensive line had a good game.

792
00:39:51,155 --> 00:39:54,655
I, it's just, it's just, it's, it's hard.

793
00:39:54,655 --> 00:39:55,605
It's a hard game to play.

794
00:39:56,785 --> 00:39:57,245
I,

795
00:39:57,445 --> 00:40:02,135
Jonathan: I would say they're probably
the most improved unit on the year.

796
00:40:02,294 --> 00:40:02,744
Like

797
00:40:02,955 --> 00:40:03,575
Jarod: definitely.

798
00:40:03,785 --> 00:40:07,364
Jonathan: And, and, you know, made the
point of injuries guys in and out, you

799
00:40:07,364 --> 00:40:11,845
know, whether they're shifting positions,
like, and they played some dogs, like, you

800
00:40:11,845 --> 00:40:14,435
know, the, the South Carolina DN, right.

801
00:40:14,655 --> 00:40:15,515
That guy was a freak.

802
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:22,390
Uh, they played some really solid front,
you know, front lines and I think they've

803
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:25,670
just gotten better and better as the
years progressed, whether it's the same

804
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:28,290
guys, whether it's not like that's a
new, you know, a whole nother dynamic.

805
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:35,160
Uh, and it was really, yeah, I think the
last, like we've had a lot of offense,

806
00:40:35,759 --> 00:40:39,199
like we've been scoring, we've been
moving the ball again, there's a lot

807
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:42,720
of things that go into that, but like
it starts with the offensive line.

808
00:40:43,215 --> 00:40:47,485
And, you know, the consistency
and the efforts there, they,

809
00:40:47,525 --> 00:40:48,555
they had a hell of a game.

810
00:40:49,495 --> 00:40:49,765
Sure.

811
00:40:49,985 --> 00:40:50,365
What was it?

812
00:40:50,375 --> 00:40:51,005
One sack?

813
00:40:51,065 --> 00:40:52,165
Like, one sack.

814
00:40:52,165 --> 00:40:52,305
That's

815
00:40:52,305 --> 00:40:52,525
Gary: it.

816
00:40:53,625 --> 00:40:54,865
Jonathan: Like, that's a hell of a game.

817
00:40:54,914 --> 00:40:57,135
And 200 and yeah, what is it?

818
00:40:57,135 --> 00:40:58,135
86 yards rushing.

819
00:40:58,235 --> 00:40:58,465
Aaron: Yeah.

820
00:40:58,614 --> 00:41:01,115
Jonathan: That's, that's a great
game by the offensive line.

821
00:41:01,115 --> 00:41:01,125
I

822
00:41:01,745 --> 00:41:03,415
Aaron: mean, we won time in possession.

823
00:41:04,145 --> 00:41:06,415
was 34 minutes to 26 minutes.

824
00:41:08,775 --> 00:41:11,535
We held them to four of 12 on third downs.

825
00:41:12,635 --> 00:41:15,415
We had only three penalties for 20 yards.

826
00:41:18,544 --> 00:41:21,214
We did a lot of things right.

827
00:41:21,565 --> 00:41:23,884
Yeah, we only have just a close game.

828
00:41:24,685 --> 00:41:28,814
Jarod: They should have had
seven more just like the JMU game

829
00:41:28,815 --> 00:41:30,065
that they didn't get called for.

830
00:41:30,065 --> 00:41:33,445
I don't know how, but oh, hold on.

831
00:41:33,595 --> 00:41:34,425
I got another one.

832
00:41:34,705 --> 00:41:35,669
Aaron: Now that you say that, yeah.

833
00:41:37,070 --> 00:41:38,110
I don't have a great memory.

834
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:40,560
I'm like Gary or I'm sorry, Jonathan.

835
00:41:40,570 --> 00:41:43,110
See, I don't even remember
that of writing things down.

836
00:41:45,070 --> 00:41:46,540
Let's go to the punting game.

837
00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:51,890
Am I or my eyes failing me?

838
00:41:52,020 --> 00:41:56,539
Was I did I have a bad like
perspective on the game?

839
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:00,860
First question, did Seamus
get hit on that one punt?

840
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:10,230
And if he did get hit, um, could
there be a flag regardless of whether

841
00:42:10,230 --> 00:42:13,980
it's a simple, he just barely got
hit, it's five yards or something

842
00:42:13,980 --> 00:42:15,830
egregious, that would be 15 yards.

843
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,200
What did I miss on that play?

844
00:42:21,435 --> 00:42:27,500
Jonathan: So I will say I did not see the
contact in question however, uh, because,

845
00:42:27,845 --> 00:42:29,675
because you had a bad angle or because

846
00:42:29,675 --> 00:42:30,300
Aaron: you were Yeah.

847
00:42:30,305 --> 00:42:30,335
Yeah.

848
00:42:30,335 --> 00:42:32,345
You were getting another
one in the beer garden.

849
00:42:32,885 --> 00:42:33,935
. 
Jonathan: Uh, I plead the fifth.

850
00:42:34,115 --> 00:42:38,405
Um, so that's an interesting question.

851
00:42:38,405 --> 00:42:40,085
It depends by crew.

852
00:42:40,085 --> 00:42:44,345
By again, I'm gonna say the
feeling of the game, like.

853
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:47,710
It is so it should be very clear.

854
00:42:48,180 --> 00:42:51,320
If you get knocked down,
it's at least a five yard.

855
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:57,419
If they again, I don't know the official
verbiage of the personal foul, but like

856
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,930
if they come into your space in a way that
can injure you, it should be 15 yards.

857
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:07,800
So at a minimum, it should be five yards
if they make contact with you and you

858
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,565
know, whether as you hit the ball or as
you're getting the ball away, like But

859
00:43:12,615 --> 00:43:15,125
it's so there's so much variability.

860
00:43:15,165 --> 00:43:18,405
I mean, in all levels of
football, it blows my mind again.

861
00:43:18,425 --> 00:43:20,645
It's a, it's an application.

862
00:43:20,645 --> 00:43:22,925
It's a, it's a, how does the ref see it?

863
00:43:23,095 --> 00:43:25,945
And then how does he apply it
within the framework of the rules?

864
00:43:26,315 --> 00:43:30,815
Um, but based upon your reaction again,
like I said, I didn't see the contact.

865
00:43:31,215 --> 00:43:33,145
It should have at least been
running into the kicker.

866
00:43:33,565 --> 00:43:37,135
Now, as a punter, as a
kicker, you sell that.

867
00:43:37,765 --> 00:43:38,005
Right.

868
00:43:38,005 --> 00:43:43,005
Anybody touches you like down you
go, that's what you do for the team.

869
00:43:43,235 --> 00:43:44,745
You know, you're not some big tough guy.

870
00:43:44,745 --> 00:43:47,955
Like if you're a protected
individual and someone cracks

871
00:43:47,955 --> 00:43:49,425
you, you're going to fall over.

872
00:43:49,895 --> 00:43:54,944
Um, but like I said, it's, I've seen it
applied and I've had it applied so much.

873
00:43:55,005 --> 00:43:55,285
Like.

874
00:43:55,995 --> 00:44:01,335
Inconsistently, you know, whether
it's, uh, CAA refs or Mountain West

875
00:44:01,335 --> 00:44:05,815
or all these, like, it's so wide in
its application, it's frustrating.

876
00:44:06,074 --> 00:44:09,995
Like, I remember I got flipped
on a punt that went 55 yards.

877
00:44:10,685 --> 00:44:17,104
Uh, and the ref said it was tipped
and I got up and stared at them.

878
00:44:17,105 --> 00:44:21,055
Then I looked down the field and I
was like, how was that ball tipped?

879
00:44:21,065 --> 00:44:22,885
It's 55 yards down the field.

880
00:44:23,415 --> 00:44:24,825
I didn't use that exact language.

881
00:44:24,825 --> 00:44:26,459
You know, I'm trying to keep it PG here.

882
00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:32,950
Uh, but yeah, like it's, I don't know
if they can do anything to make it more

883
00:44:32,950 --> 00:44:37,149
cut and dry, but again, based upon your
reaction and how you interpreted that,

884
00:44:37,149 --> 00:44:38,210
it definitely should have been a penalty.

885
00:44:38,810 --> 00:44:39,050
Jarod: Yeah.

886
00:44:39,050 --> 00:44:40,369
So I saw it happen.

887
00:44:41,260 --> 00:44:43,789
I stood up and lost my
shit for a little bit.

888
00:44:44,289 --> 00:44:49,450
Uh, as I sat down after it all
happened, they didn't call it whatever.

889
00:44:49,870 --> 00:44:54,100
Uh, I, I thought about it a few
times and said, okay, I do know

890
00:44:54,410 --> 00:44:58,899
that the rule this could just be in
the NFL, but I don't think it is.

891
00:44:59,325 --> 00:45:03,885
The rule for roughing is they
have to hit your plant leg.

892
00:45:04,335 --> 00:45:08,565
So you're non kicking foot because
that's where if they take you out.

893
00:45:08,645 --> 00:45:11,375
As you're up in the
air, they take you out.

894
00:45:11,385 --> 00:45:12,385
You could tear something.

895
00:45:12,385 --> 00:45:14,015
You could break something
pretty easily, right?

896
00:45:14,015 --> 00:45:16,505
If they hit your non, your non
kicking foot, your plant leg.

897
00:45:17,095 --> 00:45:18,425
So they didn't do that.

898
00:45:18,735 --> 00:45:19,545
They hit them.

899
00:45:19,874 --> 00:45:21,495
There was no doubt about it.

900
00:45:21,495 --> 00:45:22,975
There was no doubt in my mind.

901
00:45:23,244 --> 00:45:23,985
They hit them.

902
00:45:24,105 --> 00:45:25,194
They knocked him over.

903
00:45:25,665 --> 00:45:29,405
We were also, I think, 16
yards away from her first down.

904
00:45:29,625 --> 00:45:32,775
It would have just, it should
have been running into the kicker.

905
00:45:32,775 --> 00:45:36,075
That, that call should have been
running into the kicker because the

906
00:45:36,075 --> 00:45:38,425
pressure, he kind of hit a shitty punt.

907
00:45:38,875 --> 00:45:40,005
He didn't go very far.

908
00:45:40,415 --> 00:45:44,305
I guarantee you we would have re kicked
it, had a better punt, and been able

909
00:45:44,305 --> 00:45:48,784
to, to get down the field and cover it
a little bit better, uh, but that should

910
00:45:48,784 --> 00:45:50,045
have been running into the kicker.

911
00:45:50,135 --> 00:45:52,274
There's, that's, there's
no doubt about it.

912
00:45:52,484 --> 00:45:53,395
Like it's just ridiculous.

913
00:45:53,404 --> 00:45:57,414
That, like, like Coach said in the, in the
post, uh, match press conference or post

914
00:45:57,415 --> 00:46:02,174
game, whatever you want to call it, uh,
who the hell knows what that rule is then?

915
00:46:02,954 --> 00:46:03,994
Because that's craziness.

916
00:46:04,725 --> 00:46:08,515
There's it doesn't matter to
me if it wasn't roughing it

917
00:46:08,515 --> 00:46:09,835
was running into the kicker.

918
00:46:09,845 --> 00:46:11,485
You have to throw it should be

919
00:46:11,485 --> 00:46:12,784
Yeah,

920
00:46:12,965 --> 00:46:15,995
Jarod: you can't you can't just sit
there and let the guy get hit He is

921
00:46:16,005 --> 00:46:20,715
in the middle of punting a ball with
his whole body unprotected in the air

922
00:46:21,125 --> 00:46:23,144
and you run into him It's a penalty.

923
00:46:23,195 --> 00:46:24,155
You can't do it.

924
00:46:24,835 --> 00:46:28,415
And I know that they would have
called it on us And I don't know

925
00:46:28,415 --> 00:46:30,500
why the hell that is It makes no

926
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:31,660
Jonathan: pressure, Jarod.

927
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:33,430
Jarod: Oh, sorry.

928
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,390
I was thinking soccer, you
know, still, still do the soccer

929
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:37,900
thing all the time I post match,

930
00:46:38,850 --> 00:46:42,600
Jonathan: but, you know, to that
point, like, was the guy contacted?

931
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:43,109
Like, did.

932
00:46:43,485 --> 00:46:44,595
He mean to hit him.

933
00:46:44,595 --> 00:46:46,635
Like there's all those variables
that, like What do you mean?

934
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:47,470
Did he mean, oh bro, he hit him.

935
00:46:47,470 --> 00:46:47,830
To hit him.

936
00:46:48,015 --> 00:46:48,975
Jarod: I know you didn't see it.

937
00:46:49,065 --> 00:46:51,405
I, dude, he ran straight
into his shoulders.

938
00:46:51,405 --> 00:46:56,625
Like he like me not meaning to be
late for work, like it was, I'm still

939
00:46:56,625 --> 00:46:59,255
late for work, . That's true too.

940
00:46:59,255 --> 00:47:01,265
I mean, if you don't mean to
hit him, who the hell cares?

941
00:47:01,265 --> 00:47:03,935
You still, that's why it's called
running into it, not roughing.

942
00:47:04,395 --> 00:47:07,815
Yeah, like running into the kicker
means you literally just ran into him.

943
00:47:07,815 --> 00:47:09,615
It doesn't mean you hit
the shit out of him.

944
00:47:09,825 --> 00:47:11,115
You just can't do it because.

945
00:47:11,715 --> 00:47:13,165
Like the guy is going to get injured.

946
00:47:13,415 --> 00:47:17,415
Eventually somebody is going to fall
weird and get injured because you hit

947
00:47:17,415 --> 00:47:21,335
him when he was up in the air, trying to
kick the ball, trying to pump the bell.

948
00:47:21,525 --> 00:47:22,215
Aaron: It's over.

949
00:47:22,215 --> 00:47:23,485
So I guess it doesn't matter.

950
00:47:25,495 --> 00:47:28,124
Gary: And I know that that one, I
guarantee you that one got clipped

951
00:47:28,124 --> 00:47:30,905
and sent to the office of saying
like, Hey, how is it not roughing?

952
00:47:31,144 --> 00:47:32,625
Cause you can actually see on the replay.

953
00:47:32,930 --> 00:47:35,640
He does hit his shoulder a little
bit, but his main contact is

954
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,750
actually the kicking leg while
the plant leg is still in the air.

955
00:47:38,750 --> 00:47:40,800
So that's why he got spun around so badly.

956
00:47:41,010 --> 00:47:41,520
Exactly.

957
00:47:41,590 --> 00:47:45,960
So, like, maybe it looked like he was
selling it, but in reality, he had no

958
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,850
point of his body touching the ground.

959
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:48,240
Yeah.

960
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:49,730
And a dude came along
the side and hit him.

961
00:47:50,259 --> 00:47:50,479
Aaron: Yeah.

962
00:47:50,540 --> 00:47:52,284
We can always count on Gary.

963
00:47:52,705 --> 00:47:55,435
Coming to drop some knowledge on us.

964
00:47:55,595 --> 00:47:56,575
Gary: I was mad.

965
00:47:56,585 --> 00:47:57,575
I was watching that.

966
00:47:57,585 --> 00:48:00,645
I was trying to find that play on my
phone at Delvecchio's after the game.

967
00:48:00,805 --> 00:48:02,965
Like, I was standing in line,
like, just looking at my phone.

968
00:48:03,015 --> 00:48:04,845
I'd have a hard time finding that too.

969
00:48:05,705 --> 00:48:08,155
Aaron: I couldn't concentrate,
because all I'd be thinking

970
00:48:08,155 --> 00:48:10,935
about is getting a hot slice.

971
00:48:10,935 --> 00:48:11,854
Delvecchio's

972
00:48:12,635 --> 00:48:13,245
Jarod: pizza, baby.

973
00:48:13,255 --> 00:48:14,065
Shout out Delvecchio's.

974
00:48:14,685 --> 00:48:15,185
It is.

975
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,710
Yeah, oh get them as a sponsor
on here because that is the best

976
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:20,650
damn pizza there is good lord

977
00:48:20,890 --> 00:48:24,179
Aaron: If anybody at delvecchia is
who actually has any decision making

978
00:48:24,180 --> 00:48:29,620
authority is hearing this there's dudes
right here Ready to rip your pizza

979
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,080
Jarod: Look, it's a it's been a bit
of a tradition now probably the past

980
00:48:33,110 --> 00:48:36,680
four years unless something like
this weekend When the game didn't

981
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,450
end till almost midnight Right.

982
00:48:38,450 --> 00:48:43,210
We, the two of us, both of our wives,
if my kids are there, they come with us.

983
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:46,710
And then whoever's there with us
in the games, if it's any of the

984
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:49,920
old guys, if it's some of our
friends, whatever, we always go

985
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,539
to Delvex after the games always.

986
00:48:52,810 --> 00:48:53,120
Gary: Yeah.

987
00:48:53,250 --> 00:48:56,630
It, it brought me back because I was
staying at the Spring Hill suites again.

988
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,845
So it was like, I was back in a dorm
and I'm, After a football game and

989
00:49:01,845 --> 00:49:03,375
I'm in line, I go get my Delvex.

990
00:49:03,395 --> 00:49:07,515
I go to my little room, I eat way too much
pizza and then pass out on the couch of

991
00:49:07,515 --> 00:49:10,075
the TV on like, nice, just like old times.

992
00:49:10,724 --> 00:49:11,685
My holes.

993
00:49:12,105 --> 00:49:12,605
Yes.

994
00:49:12,645 --> 00:49:13,504
Jonathan: I'm jealous, Gary.

995
00:49:14,655 --> 00:49:15,114
Aaron: I am too.

996
00:49:15,165 --> 00:49:19,154
Cause I came home and had some nasty,
cold little Caesars waiting for me.

997
00:49:20,815 --> 00:49:21,454
I'm not cool.

998
00:49:21,695 --> 00:49:21,765
I'm

999
00:49:21,765 --> 00:49:25,135
Gary: stewing while I'm eating my hot
and fresh Delvex and garlic knots.

1000
00:49:25,595 --> 00:49:28,565
Aaron: I guess the lesson learned is
just stay in a hotel and don't come home.

1001
00:49:29,905 --> 00:49:30,385
There you go.

1002
00:49:30,425 --> 00:49:31,335
Jarod: Probably a better idea.

1003
00:49:32,245 --> 00:49:32,755
Yes.

1004
00:49:32,925 --> 00:49:33,725
Aaron: Okay.

1005
00:49:33,825 --> 00:49:36,845
Uh, we, we do have a couple of fan calls.

1006
00:49:37,555 --> 00:49:40,864
Um, and we pride ourselves
on playing those things.

1007
00:49:40,864 --> 00:49:44,044
So I, Gary, I think we should
probably should, we could

1008
00:49:44,044 --> 00:49:44,965
talk about them a little bit.

1009
00:49:45,044 --> 00:49:49,525
I mean, we've, we've talked
about the, a lot of the game.

1010
00:49:49,595 --> 00:49:52,935
I don't know how much we're
going to want to preview a state.

1011
00:49:53,725 --> 00:49:55,855
We'll let you lead that discussion, Gary.

1012
00:49:55,865 --> 00:49:56,675
If, uh, yeah.

1013
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:58,010
If you got a bunch.

1014
00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:58,840
Gary: Yeah.

1015
00:49:58,870 --> 00:50:01,830
Well, maybe before we go to that,
I do want to say that Marshall is a

1016
00:50:01,830 --> 00:50:04,880
really good football team and they
played a damn good football game.

1017
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:06,840
We made mistakes.

1018
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,059
We shot ourselves in the foot,
but we were playing a really

1019
00:50:09,060 --> 00:50:10,199
good football team over there.

1020
00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:13,980
And Aaron, you asked me last
week, who am I more scared of?

1021
00:50:14,020 --> 00:50:16,249
AJ Turner or Braylon Braxton.

1022
00:50:16,250 --> 00:50:19,410
And as fast as you finished that
sentence, I said Braylon Braxton.

1023
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:23,870
And I think we all saw why on
Saturday, I mean, 13 for 24, 210

1024
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:25,729
yards, three touchdowns, no picks.

1025
00:50:25,730 --> 00:50:28,365
We're I had a long of
51 then on the ground.

1026
00:50:28,365 --> 00:50:29,975
He had 18 carries for 148.

1027
00:50:30,835 --> 00:50:35,135
Uh, he was an absolute stud in
running that offense for Marshall.

1028
00:50:35,425 --> 00:50:37,155
Uh, he looked really good in the pocket.

1029
00:50:37,155 --> 00:50:41,245
He made smart throws, make good decisions
to tuck and run through guys open.

1030
00:50:41,665 --> 00:50:47,415
Uh, he's got one more year of eligibility,
um, unfortunately, but he is definitely

1031
00:50:47,415 --> 00:50:49,065
the answer for Marshall at quarterback.

1032
00:50:49,135 --> 00:50:50,575
Uh, they play good up and down.

1033
00:50:50,575 --> 00:50:51,755
Their O line was great.

1034
00:50:52,105 --> 00:50:55,465
Uh, held us, I think to just one
sack and only two tackles for a loss.

1035
00:50:56,020 --> 00:50:56,420
Uh, A.

1036
00:50:56,420 --> 00:50:56,560
J.

1037
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:57,390
Turner was good.

1038
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:58,140
Don't get me wrong.

1039
00:50:58,150 --> 00:51:01,440
I think he was a bit limited
though with an injury, um, but he

1040
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:02,210
looked good when he was in there.

1041
00:51:02,210 --> 00:51:06,249
But man, Braylon Braxton, what an absolute
stud to have on that Marshall team.

1042
00:51:06,249 --> 00:51:09,890
So kudos to Marshall, uh, interacted
with a bunch of their fans.

1043
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,950
They have a really, really good fan base.

1044
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,470
Uh, appreciate the beers from Russ and I
think it's Thundercast podcast out there.

1045
00:51:16,535 --> 00:51:19,145
Uh, coming by the
tailgate and all of that.

1046
00:51:19,165 --> 00:51:21,105
So kudos to Marshall.

1047
00:51:21,185 --> 00:51:25,015
It was not all just us messing
that game up, but yeah.

1048
00:51:25,185 --> 00:51:25,395
All right.

1049
00:51:25,415 --> 00:51:26,684
Now I'm done saying nice
things about Marshall,

1050
00:51:29,075 --> 00:51:30,545
Aaron: but they were well deserved.

1051
00:51:31,035 --> 00:51:31,415
All right.

1052
00:51:31,425 --> 00:51:35,825
Let's, uh, let's go to these two
calls and, uh, we'll, we'll play.

1053
00:51:35,905 --> 00:51:37,145
I'll play you the first one.

1054
00:51:37,485 --> 00:51:42,125
We can react and then we'll play the
second one, and then we'll get to A State.

1055
00:51:44,805 --> 00:51:46,335
Hey guys, Justice here.

1056
00:51:47,185 --> 00:51:51,264
Uh, another disappointing, uh,
week, and what's been a, uh, a

1057
00:51:51,265 --> 00:51:52,524
disappointing season, I guess.

1058
00:51:52,524 --> 00:51:56,145
Just a, another, another week
of missed opportunities, and a

1059
00:51:56,145 --> 00:51:57,754
season of missed opportunities.

1060
00:51:57,785 --> 00:52:00,695
Um, been a little dejected today.

1061
00:52:01,845 --> 00:52:06,595
Uh, and the one thing I come back to,
um, I feel like it's kind of been,

1062
00:52:07,060 --> 00:52:13,270
The, the mantra, or my mantra, I guess,
for the Ricky Rahne, um, career so

1063
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:18,479
far is scared money don't make money
and I feel far too often, uh, the way

1064
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,820
we coach games is scared money, so.

1065
00:52:21,660 --> 00:52:25,800
On a positive note, uh, we don't
have to worry about, uh, blowing a

1066
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,750
28 0 lead in a bowl game this year.

1067
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:31,610
So we don't have to go through
that, uh, that dejection.

1068
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,180
As always, go Monarchs and hopefully
we can get a win next week against

1069
00:52:36,180 --> 00:52:37,920
Arkansas State and on a high note.

1070
00:52:40,835 --> 00:52:43,315
Aaron: All right, fellows,
any thoughts on justices call?

1071
00:52:45,345 --> 00:52:50,295
Jonathan: Yeah, I, uh, I can
commiserate with the vibes, right?

1072
00:52:50,295 --> 00:52:51,555
The funeral vibes.

1073
00:52:51,735 --> 00:52:55,125
Um, you know, here we go again.

1074
00:52:55,244 --> 00:53:01,325
Uh, she knows Gary's Marshall's a
damn good football team and we played.

1075
00:53:02,615 --> 00:53:03,055
Yeah.

1076
00:53:03,104 --> 00:53:05,095
Like you can argue we
should have won the game.

1077
00:53:05,415 --> 00:53:11,025
Um, and I probably sound like a broken
record, but like we played well, we

1078
00:53:11,025 --> 00:53:12,764
didn't play well enough to win, but like.

1079
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:17,680
We played a damn good football team,
and we played a damn good game, and we

1080
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,950
lost in the end, which, like I said,
I can commiserate with the vibes,

1081
00:53:20,980 --> 00:53:27,130
but Yeah, it's, uh, tough to watch,
but also, we didn't get blown out,

1082
00:53:27,140 --> 00:53:29,730
so, there's something to take away.

1083
00:53:33,460 --> 00:53:36,380
Alright, any thoughts before
we move to the next one?

1084
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:41,969
Aaron: And, uh, I have checked on
Justice, he is doing alright, uh,

1085
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:44,500
just for the fans out there that are
listening and might have concern.

1086
00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:48,200
Uh, that dude is at every
game, uh, he bleeds blue,

1087
00:53:50,410 --> 00:53:53,550
he loves ODU and wants the best.

1088
00:53:54,500 --> 00:53:56,999
Gary: He was all of us Saturday
night, he was all of us.

1089
00:53:57,010 --> 00:53:58,130
Aaron: Yeah, yeah.

1090
00:53:58,550 --> 00:53:59,770
Another guy.

1091
00:54:00,570 --> 00:54:04,250
Who bleeds blue is the Duke of Discipline.

1092
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,420
Uh, sorry, Jarod, that
that is covering your face.

1093
00:54:07,450 --> 00:54:08,100
There you go.

1094
00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:13,560
I'm warning Monarch Nation
before I play this call.

1095
00:54:14,245 --> 00:54:15,535
It is a little long.

1096
00:54:16,185 --> 00:54:16,725
Uh,

1097
00:54:18,775 --> 00:54:20,615
Garrick is one of our fans.

1098
00:54:20,615 --> 00:54:25,075
So he's another guy who really
cares a lot and is committed a lot.

1099
00:54:25,075 --> 00:54:28,545
So I think we owned to play the
whole call in this entirety.

1100
00:54:28,565 --> 00:54:30,425
And then we will discuss it after.

1101
00:54:32,154 --> 00:54:36,345
Well, I was decided after Turkey
Bowl through my own horn over here.

1102
00:54:36,345 --> 00:54:38,405
Two passing touchdowns,
one catching touchdown.

1103
00:54:38,405 --> 00:54:40,035
That was probably a
highlight of the day anyway.

1104
00:54:40,315 --> 00:54:42,785
Um, and walking out to get the job done.

1105
00:54:43,175 --> 00:54:45,345
Uh, that I should go down for the game.

1106
00:54:45,455 --> 00:54:46,114
Uh, time was 4.

1107
00:54:46,115 --> 00:54:47,565
45 in the afternoon.

1108
00:54:48,015 --> 00:54:51,295
Got in the car, drove down to Norfolk,
walked into the stadium with 6.

1109
00:54:51,295 --> 00:54:52,995
47 left in the first quarter.

1110
00:54:53,434 --> 00:54:54,265
Why did I do this?

1111
00:54:54,474 --> 00:54:56,225
Uh, because I love this school.

1112
00:54:56,285 --> 00:54:59,325
I love this program and these
seniors have ga uh, given everything

1113
00:54:59,424 --> 00:55:02,224
for this school and I felt like
a hypocrite not being there.

1114
00:55:02,375 --> 00:55:04,355
Uh, I'm a massive Isaiah Page fan.

1115
00:55:04,435 --> 00:55:06,995
As a preferred walk on myself,
didn't fall through on it.

1116
00:55:07,345 --> 00:55:11,700
Um, and, uh, Uh, I have a
respect for the guys like that,

1117
00:55:11,710 --> 00:55:13,230
and that guy's an absolute dog.

1118
00:55:13,620 --> 00:55:18,240
Uh, given my dedication as an
alumnus, as a donor and a fan, uh,

1119
00:55:18,290 --> 00:55:22,240
my frustration and hurt is that a,
an all time high for this program.

1120
00:55:22,510 --> 00:55:27,920
Maybe if I didn't go and do a nine hour
round trip from Nova, I'd feel different,

1121
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,490
but that shows just how much I care.

1122
00:55:29,490 --> 00:55:32,810
And, uh, I'm one of thousands
who do, uh, this isn't about me.

1123
00:55:32,810 --> 00:55:34,230
This is all about.

1124
00:55:34,700 --> 00:55:38,530
All of us, uh, who have dealt with this
for, for over five plus years, going

1125
00:55:38,530 --> 00:55:42,470
back to Bobby's last years, just like
that, just like what I said last, uh,

1126
00:55:42,620 --> 00:55:45,860
last week in my call, if you want to
play it, go ahead, uh, Ricky just hasn't

1127
00:55:45,860 --> 00:55:49,039
been able to get this team to succeed
in division or in state games, and he's

1128
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:54,330
now 6 12 against the East, um, flat out
pissed, and our AD doesn't express the

1129
00:55:54,330 --> 00:55:58,430
same emotions we have until, um, bigger
donors start talking, nothing's going

1130
00:55:58,430 --> 00:56:01,805
to change, and I do want to quickly
address what, uh, What Ricky mentioned

1131
00:56:01,815 --> 00:56:03,595
is pressure about fans saying something.

1132
00:56:03,895 --> 00:56:06,885
I was there, and nothing was said
malicious to Ricky, and that wasn't

1133
00:56:06,885 --> 00:56:11,224
until a coach, and just so happens
this coach calls the run plays up

1134
00:56:11,225 --> 00:56:12,495
the middle on first and second downs.

1135
00:56:12,505 --> 00:56:13,105
That's all I'll say.

1136
00:56:13,105 --> 00:56:18,039
Until he said, F you to a group, to
that people, which set things off.

1137
00:56:18,039 --> 00:56:19,685
As a person, Ricky's great.

1138
00:56:20,095 --> 00:56:21,935
He's great for the players, but
at the end of the day, this is

1139
00:56:21,935 --> 00:56:23,115
a performance based business.

1140
00:56:23,155 --> 00:56:23,975
Yes, a business.

1141
00:56:24,395 --> 00:56:28,274
And if we, if he was having
yearly reviews like we do.

1142
00:56:28,810 --> 00:56:32,040
Uh, he wouldn't have a job,
and, uh, I think Ricky, Ricky

1143
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:32,950
and Wood would both be gone.

1144
00:56:33,470 --> 00:56:35,340
Uh, I wish I could end
this on a positive note.

1145
00:56:35,540 --> 00:56:40,460
Uh, that was, that was my goal all season,
say, say my concerns, points, uh, leave

1146
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:42,140
optimism, but, uh, but I'm all out of it.

1147
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:44,010
Gary took the words out
of my mouth last week.

1148
00:56:44,260 --> 00:56:46,369
Uh, we're not gonna get up for
a six and six bowl, and now

1149
00:56:46,389 --> 00:56:47,640
that opportunity's even gone.

1150
00:56:47,950 --> 00:56:51,220
The only optimism, uh, is
hopefully there's gonna be change.

1151
00:56:51,460 --> 00:56:52,060
Will it happen?

1152
00:56:52,060 --> 00:56:52,470
Who knows?

1153
00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:54,020
We've only been waiting
for five plus years.

1154
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:55,429
area.

1155
00:56:58,190 --> 00:56:59,320
Aaron: I'm gonna let
you take this one, man.

1156
00:57:00,330 --> 00:57:00,560
Gary: Yeah.

1157
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,090
So we know from Ricky talking about
the postgame presser, there was

1158
00:57:03,100 --> 00:57:05,840
some sort of interaction with some
of the coaching staff, some of

1159
00:57:05,870 --> 00:57:07,500
the players and some of the fans.

1160
00:57:08,180 --> 00:57:10,220
Obviously, a lot of frustrations,
I think, on both sides.

1161
00:57:10,220 --> 00:57:14,359
They're 100 percent understand from
the fan standpoint, and I know that the

1162
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:16,000
coaches want to do nothing more than wins.

1163
00:57:16,030 --> 00:57:19,180
They were probably pretty frustrated
that their ball hopes went away.

1164
00:57:19,620 --> 00:57:20,930
We don't know what exactly happened.

1165
00:57:20,930 --> 00:57:21,580
That interaction.

1166
00:57:21,580 --> 00:57:25,175
I haven't seen like video or anything
like that, but Uh, Ricky kind of said

1167
00:57:25,205 --> 00:57:26,975
his piece with it in Postgame Presser.

1168
00:57:27,115 --> 00:57:28,865
Garrick got his side of it here.

1169
00:57:28,905 --> 00:57:32,844
You all can make your decisions on what
you want to do with that going forward.

1170
00:57:32,844 --> 00:57:36,424
But we did not want to cut,
uh, Garrick call just because

1171
00:57:36,424 --> 00:57:37,594
it's kind of a sensitive topic.

1172
00:57:37,594 --> 00:57:38,755
We wanted to let that be known.

1173
00:57:39,224 --> 00:57:41,444
Um, and you all can go with it from there.

1174
00:57:46,015 --> 00:57:49,675
Aaron: Man, you guys are
speechless for the first time ever.

1175
00:57:51,575 --> 00:57:54,670
Jonathan: Well, you know, uh, I was sad.

1176
00:57:54,670 --> 00:57:57,970
I wasn't here last week, you know,
Gary with the negative vibes,

1177
00:57:58,140 --> 00:58:00,909
you know, I wasn't here to be a
cheerleader, but yeah, it's, uh, I

1178
00:58:01,190 --> 00:58:02,980
mean, I made a lot of valid points.

1179
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,470
It is, it is tough, but you know,
one of the points I wanted to come

1180
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:09,299
back to here and, you know, and
you're alluding to this, right?

1181
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:13,890
Like we, we had a lot of success
coming out of the gates, uh, followed

1182
00:58:13,890 --> 00:58:20,250
by not so much success, uh, and
now we're competing and a record

1183
00:58:20,260 --> 00:58:21,830
doesn't show success, but like.

1184
00:58:22,650 --> 00:58:23,300
It's tough.

1185
00:58:23,330 --> 00:58:24,120
Like we all want to win.

1186
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,010
We all want to have, uh, you know,
you know, going for the college

1187
00:58:28,050 --> 00:58:31,939
football playoff and all those
aspirational things or Sunbelt.

1188
00:58:31,970 --> 00:58:34,020
Like, uh, it's tough, man.

1189
00:58:34,030 --> 00:58:37,700
Like week in, week out, especially if
you're making the trek from Nova or

1190
00:58:37,980 --> 00:58:39,679
all over the country, the world, right?

1191
00:58:39,679 --> 00:58:43,700
Like it's tough to have the
result, uh, that we did.

1192
00:58:44,370 --> 00:58:46,840
Uh, but then I'll, I'll caveat everything.

1193
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,300
And at least we didn't get blown out.

1194
00:58:53,550 --> 00:58:53,840
Gary: Yeah.

1195
00:58:54,915 --> 00:58:55,525
Go ahead, Jarod.

1196
00:58:55,765 --> 00:58:56,455
Yeah, I'll,

1197
00:58:56,455 --> 00:58:56,985
Jarod: I'll jump in.

1198
00:58:56,985 --> 00:58:59,765
I, I've been wanting to say this,
uh, today and I figured I'd wait

1199
00:58:59,765 --> 00:59:01,085
until we heard that call again.

1200
00:59:01,085 --> 00:59:06,724
Obviously we listened to it a little
bit ago and, um, I might get some

1201
00:59:06,724 --> 00:59:08,185
crap from some people for saying this.

1202
00:59:08,205 --> 00:59:11,604
Cause a lot of people have been
talking all season about what, you

1203
00:59:11,604 --> 00:59:12,765
know, what I'm about to address.

1204
00:59:13,364 --> 00:59:17,235
Uh, but I think that they're
wrong and I'll start it with that.

1205
00:59:17,655 --> 00:59:24,655
Uh, I think that people remember, like
you said earlier, Aaron, they remember

1206
00:59:24,655 --> 00:59:27,304
our team and they remember how it went.

1207
00:59:27,805 --> 00:59:31,835
And they can't, they can't get
all, I don't want to say get over

1208
00:59:31,835 --> 00:59:35,655
that, but get off of looking at
that and seeing what we have now.

1209
00:59:36,285 --> 00:59:39,305
And they go, Oh, we want all these games.

1210
00:59:39,365 --> 00:59:41,665
We scored 77 points against some teams.

1211
00:59:41,675 --> 00:59:42,454
We did this.

1212
00:59:42,454 --> 00:59:47,285
We did that here and now we're here
and it doesn't seem much better.

1213
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:53,850
But I think that the short memory of this
last little bit here is we were here.

1214
00:59:54,290 --> 00:59:55,370
We're here right now.

1215
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:58,510
And maybe we can go like this, you
know, like we were here and now

1216
00:59:58,510 --> 01:00:03,129
we're here, but they forget that in
the middle somewhere, my hand's not

1217
01:00:03,129 --> 01:00:05,769
even on the freaking screen, right?

1218
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:12,380
Ricky Rahne has come in to a
team who went one in 11, right?

1219
01:00:12,380 --> 01:00:13,290
Right before he got here.

1220
01:00:13,290 --> 01:00:14,450
Didn't we go one in 11,

1221
01:00:15,470 --> 01:00:15,730
Aaron: right?

1222
01:00:16,010 --> 01:00:16,260
Yeah.

1223
01:00:16,270 --> 01:00:18,170
Barely beating Norfolk state for that one.

1224
01:00:18,210 --> 01:00:18,500
Jarod: Yeah.

1225
01:00:18,540 --> 01:00:19,230
Ridiculous.

1226
01:00:20,295 --> 01:00:24,735
He came into a team that did
that and then had a COVID year.

1227
01:00:24,735 --> 01:00:26,725
His first year didn't
even get to play football.

1228
01:00:27,525 --> 01:00:29,395
And he, some people say
that's a good thing, right?

1229
01:00:29,425 --> 01:00:31,535
Oh, well it gave him more
time to develop his guys.

1230
01:00:31,755 --> 01:00:34,124
Now, man, these guys didn't get
to play football for a year.

1231
01:00:34,495 --> 01:00:37,604
So they were itching, but that doesn't
mean that it was better for them.

1232
01:00:37,604 --> 01:00:41,835
They didn't get that competitive
game, like atmosphere to, to

1233
01:00:41,835 --> 01:00:43,585
play in for an entire year.

1234
01:00:43,585 --> 01:00:46,145
That's really tough to bounce
back and just go right into that.

1235
01:00:46,145 --> 01:00:49,554
After, after a full, basically
two years of not playing, right.

1236
01:00:49,555 --> 01:00:49,614
Yeah.

1237
01:00:50,335 --> 01:00:53,145
So then he takes the team and we
don't do great his first season.

1238
01:00:53,145 --> 01:00:55,975
Everybody loses their minds because
they're just expecting us to

1239
01:00:55,975 --> 01:00:57,465
just turn it around right away.

1240
01:00:58,055 --> 01:01:00,024
And then the next year
it gets a little better.

1241
01:01:00,025 --> 01:01:01,764
Don't we make a bowl
game right the next year?

1242
01:01:03,065 --> 01:01:05,045
I think we made the bowl
game the first year, right?

1243
01:01:05,045 --> 01:01:06,355
Was the bowl game the first year, right?

1244
01:01:06,355 --> 01:01:07,345
Oh, we ended really well.

1245
01:01:07,345 --> 01:01:08,554
We made the bowl game the first year.

1246
01:01:08,554 --> 01:01:10,029
So he's, so he's done really great.

1247
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:13,440
But it doesn't mean that it's going
to stay really great all the time.

1248
01:01:13,450 --> 01:01:14,240
This is a process.

1249
01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:15,270
This takes some time.

1250
01:01:15,850 --> 01:01:18,620
And what I've seen from this team,
and I think that Plisco would

1251
01:01:18,620 --> 01:01:21,050
share this with me, share the,
share the same mindset with me.

1252
01:01:21,050 --> 01:01:22,489
And I hope you guys do too.

1253
01:01:22,699 --> 01:01:28,159
But what I've seen from this team is
a team that went one in 11 and then

1254
01:01:28,170 --> 01:01:31,800
for a few years, no, we had no idea
who the quarterback was going to be.

1255
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,280
And we had all these guys that were
already here that they really were trying

1256
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:36,570
to develop somebody and we couldn't.

1257
01:01:36,985 --> 01:01:41,105
We couldn't get it to work really well
and we didn't win enough games and we

1258
01:01:41,105 --> 01:01:47,435
made two bowl games, but it wasn't great
to a team right now who has significantly

1259
01:01:47,435 --> 01:01:48,835
the hardest schedule in the Sunbelt.

1260
01:01:50,395 --> 01:01:52,205
And I know that you
want to win every game.

1261
01:01:52,215 --> 01:01:53,265
I want to win every game.

1262
01:01:53,285 --> 01:01:56,825
I couldn't, I couldn't tell people
how wrong they are when they say,

1263
01:01:56,875 --> 01:02:00,255
I want to win this game more than
anybody except the players, because

1264
01:02:00,255 --> 01:02:03,765
I'm telling you right now, you don't
want to win it more than I do, right?

1265
01:02:03,775 --> 01:02:06,395
That's how I was the
entire time I was there.

1266
01:02:06,655 --> 01:02:10,294
There's a reason I was standing up on
the bench, swinging my towels around,

1267
01:02:10,295 --> 01:02:11,975
trying to get the crowd going crazy.

1268
01:02:12,225 --> 01:02:15,135
I live and die by this team, right?

1269
01:02:15,135 --> 01:02:16,315
That's what, that's how I was.

1270
01:02:16,555 --> 01:02:17,605
And that's how I still am.

1271
01:02:17,725 --> 01:02:20,104
So I guarantee them, they
don't want to win more than me.

1272
01:02:21,205 --> 01:02:26,615
And they talk so much shit about how bad
coach Rahne's been and how bad this team

1273
01:02:26,615 --> 01:02:28,315
has been, and they're completely wrong.

1274
01:02:28,675 --> 01:02:31,505
We had the hardest strength of
schedule in the entire Sunbelt.

1275
01:02:31,695 --> 01:02:35,695
We had a top, I feel like I read
somewhere, it was like a top 20

1276
01:02:35,705 --> 01:02:38,524
strength of schedule for a little
while, like at the start of the season.

1277
01:02:38,770 --> 01:02:42,330
For the teams that we had already
played, we're playing really good teams.

1278
01:02:42,540 --> 01:02:45,800
I mean, we, we have one game
this year, one game against the

1279
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,570
team was a losing record one.

1280
01:02:49,790 --> 01:02:54,480
That is a tough schedule and we are
in a dog fight every single week.

1281
01:02:54,930 --> 01:02:57,830
And I'm telling you, there's not
somebody that's going to come

1282
01:02:57,830 --> 01:02:58,760
in here and do a better job.

1283
01:02:59,299 --> 01:03:02,050
Ricky Rahne is the guy
for the job right now.

1284
01:03:02,340 --> 01:03:04,260
Maybe in the future, he
won't be, I don't know.

1285
01:03:04,380 --> 01:03:05,320
I didn't play for the guy.

1286
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,780
I have no loyalty to him
for that reason, right?

1287
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:10,720
But my loyalty to him for
what I'm saying right now.

1288
01:03:11,030 --> 01:03:14,190
Is because of all the things
I've seen that are so much

1289
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:15,200
better than they could be.

1290
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,920
There's so much better than they
were five years ago when he got here.

1291
01:03:19,220 --> 01:03:19,610
Yes.

1292
01:03:19,660 --> 01:03:21,610
We're not winning all
of our games right now.

1293
01:03:21,810 --> 01:03:22,630
And it hurts.

1294
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:24,580
It really, really hurts.

1295
01:03:24,770 --> 01:03:24,880
I

1296
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:25,229
Aaron: hate it.

1297
01:03:26,790 --> 01:03:29,189
I really thank you for saying that.

1298
01:03:29,610 --> 01:03:31,670
Uh, one thing I want to add as.

1299
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:35,070
as a diehard fan.

1300
01:03:35,540 --> 01:03:39,440
And I didn't even graduate from Old
Dominion, but it's something that,

1301
01:03:39,900 --> 01:03:45,029
you know, when my wife and I met,
we started going to basketball games

1302
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:46,799
because it was fun and it was cheap.

1303
01:03:47,695 --> 01:03:49,015
And it was right down the road.

1304
01:03:49,435 --> 01:03:51,415
And then we ended up
getting season tickets.

1305
01:03:51,805 --> 01:03:56,055
And then in like 2007, when they
announced that football was coming out,

1306
01:03:56,055 --> 01:03:59,694
we got on the season ticket waiting
list and we've been seasoned ticket

1307
01:03:59,695 --> 01:04:01,595
holders for football and basketball

1308
01:04:03,965 --> 01:04:05,545
20 plus years.

1309
01:04:05,795 --> 01:04:09,855
There's a lot of people have been longer
than that, but that's, that's my story.

1310
01:04:11,325 --> 01:04:20,945
I think some of my, say, my fellow
fans, um, discontentment is paired,

1311
01:04:21,185 --> 01:04:26,285
what we were just talking about, that
early sustained success, coupled with

1312
01:04:26,764 --> 01:04:29,489
what we were accustomed to with it.

1313
01:04:29,940 --> 01:04:32,620
both the men's and
women's basketball teams.

1314
01:04:33,570 --> 01:04:40,530
So, um, you know, the women's team
were perennial national contenders.

1315
01:04:40,530 --> 01:04:45,789
And until not that long ago, um, C.

1316
01:04:45,790 --> 01:04:45,950
A.

1317
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,620
Days hadn't lost a conference
game in many years.

1318
01:04:49,620 --> 01:04:54,159
And the women's game changed and
things with our program changed.

1319
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,770
And obviously, with men's
basketball a decade, a decade

1320
01:04:57,770 --> 01:04:59,610
ago or so, some things changed.

1321
01:05:00,045 --> 01:05:04,195
So there have been a lot, there have
been some significant moments in,

1322
01:05:04,415 --> 01:05:06,565
I'll just call it our big three.

1323
01:05:07,175 --> 01:05:11,875
So I think fans, it all kind of culminates
and comes together and they're like,

1324
01:05:12,235 --> 01:05:16,105
The football team is down and hasn't had
a winning season X number of seasons.

1325
01:05:16,285 --> 01:05:20,974
And then they jump on the basketball
thing where we've got, you know, a

1326
01:05:20,975 --> 01:05:26,324
new coach with 10 new players and
trying to, to rebuild a program there.

1327
01:05:26,985 --> 01:05:32,164
So I don't even know if it's so much
just football, but I think it's the

1328
01:05:32,185 --> 01:05:41,195
culmination of really committed fans
who feel almost beaten down over

1329
01:05:41,195 --> 01:05:45,445
the The sports that they're most
passionate about for quite some time.

1330
01:05:45,905 --> 01:05:51,395
So it all is more raw and it just feels
bigger than what it might actually be.

1331
01:05:53,385 --> 01:05:54,835
Gary, what do you think about that, man?

1332
01:05:55,674 --> 01:05:58,884
Gary: I mean, all the fair weather
fans jumped off the train a while ago,

1333
01:05:59,004 --> 01:06:01,035
probably after the app state game.

1334
01:06:01,044 --> 01:06:04,815
So you do have the diehards left
that, I mean, they do expect more.

1335
01:06:05,405 --> 01:06:07,085
We're, we're going to top out at what?

1336
01:06:07,085 --> 01:06:07,905
Five and seven season.

1337
01:06:07,905 --> 01:06:11,035
If we go beat Arkansas state, uh,
another season where we will not

1338
01:06:11,045 --> 01:06:12,265
have a winning record in football.

1339
01:06:12,265 --> 01:06:12,345
Like.

1340
01:06:13,330 --> 01:06:15,730
It's difficult to swallow
that, but there's there's kind

1341
01:06:15,730 --> 01:06:17,100
of one step in this equation.

1342
01:06:17,100 --> 01:06:19,590
I think so many people have forgotten
about because they feel like it was

1343
01:06:19,590 --> 01:06:21,280
10 years ago, but it really wasn't.

1344
01:06:21,770 --> 01:06:24,110
Like we move from Conference
USA to the Sunbelt.

1345
01:06:24,830 --> 01:06:28,770
The difference in talent between
those programs in Conference USA and

1346
01:06:28,770 --> 01:06:31,089
those programs in Sunbelt is massive.

1347
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,429
Go look at the average Sunbelt
defensive lineman and then go look at

1348
01:06:34,430 --> 01:06:36,240
the average Conference USA lineman.

1349
01:06:36,450 --> 01:06:38,340
Jarod: Go look at Liberty's schedule.

1350
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:39,550
Gary: Yeah.

1351
01:06:39,950 --> 01:06:40,740
Jarod: Good Lord.

1352
01:06:40,749 --> 01:06:41,210
They are.

1353
01:06:41,359 --> 01:06:41,999
They're great.

1354
01:06:42,040 --> 01:06:43,650
Except they played no one.

1355
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:44,270
All year.

1356
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:45,050
I do.

1357
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:49,110
Aaron: I do want to bring something
up just because I know the folk.

1358
01:06:49,199 --> 01:06:51,640
There's going to be some folks that
watch this that are going to say,

1359
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:55,885
yeah, well, And they, they, yeah,
but you guys probably even know what

1360
01:06:55,885 --> 01:07:01,945
I'm about to say, because people
will compare us to the people.

1361
01:07:02,455 --> 01:07:03,485
I won't say hate.

1362
01:07:05,014 --> 01:07:11,174
They love to cheer against
teams like James Madison, themes

1363
01:07:11,175 --> 01:07:13,105
like Virginia Commonwealth.

1364
01:07:14,075 --> 01:07:21,055
So those of us, we, all of us, we
remember whooping VCU and basketball.

1365
01:07:21,575 --> 01:07:27,164
Many times at a minimum, we were
every single time we played, we

1366
01:07:27,164 --> 01:07:28,275
knew it was going to be a dog fight.

1367
01:07:28,705 --> 01:07:31,605
We never expected type of deal.

1368
01:07:32,375 --> 01:07:35,365
And we played the first two games
we played against JMU and football.

1369
01:07:35,385 --> 01:07:35,955
We won.

1370
01:07:36,275 --> 01:07:39,745
We, we weren't supposed to Jamie's
like you guys, new football

1371
01:07:39,745 --> 01:07:42,335
program, you know, blah, blah, blah.

1372
01:07:42,685 --> 01:07:52,115
And you guys won the first two games
and over the not so recent past, they've

1373
01:07:52,125 --> 01:07:54,455
beaten us a lot more than we beat.

1374
01:07:56,055 --> 01:08:00,195
And so fans are going to say, well, JMU
was FCS until a couple of years ago.

1375
01:08:00,845 --> 01:08:01,925
Why are they doing it?

1376
01:08:02,935 --> 01:08:04,115
What we should be there.

1377
01:08:04,580 --> 01:08:05,140
Yeah, and

1378
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:09,420
Gary: I mean, I agree, like I said it
after the, the JMU game of that's a

1379
01:08:09,420 --> 01:08:12,290
team that had a whole coaching staff
turnover, lost 95 percent of their

1380
01:08:12,290 --> 01:08:16,370
production that came to our house
after a bi week and beat us like that.

1381
01:08:16,409 --> 01:08:19,279
That's 1 of those that kind of
goes in the unacceptable losses

1382
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:23,810
category, but we would be able to
handle those a little bit better.

1383
01:08:23,810 --> 01:08:28,900
If like JMU was our best competition
at the conference, but instead they're,

1384
01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:31,860
they're probably now not even going
to compete for the sunbelt title.

1385
01:08:32,299 --> 01:08:33,259
So it's like we.

1386
01:08:33,900 --> 01:08:36,950
The margin for winning and
losing in the Sunbelt is tiny.

1387
01:08:36,950 --> 01:08:40,960
So those one or two mistakes you make,
you will lose the games because of that.

1388
01:08:40,980 --> 01:08:44,020
And conference USA, you could probably
get away with throwing three interceptions

1389
01:08:44,020 --> 01:08:46,939
and, you know, having a kickoff go
out of bounds and you can still win by

1390
01:08:46,949 --> 01:08:49,520
1721 points, like we saw that unfold.

1391
01:08:49,900 --> 01:08:51,570
So like the schedule is tough.

1392
01:08:52,130 --> 01:08:54,680
The non conference schedule was created
when we thought we were going to be

1393
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,600
playing all these cupcakes so that
we didn't end up like Liberty, right?

1394
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,550
We get Virginia Tech at South Carolina.

1395
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:01,000
We go to Indiana next year, which.

1396
01:09:01,510 --> 01:09:04,520
We all probably thought that was a
cupcake until Cignetti rolled up in there.

1397
01:09:04,940 --> 01:09:09,379
Um, so it's tough, but I always go back
to like, what gives us the best chance to

1398
01:09:09,379 --> 01:09:11,320
win the most games the following season?

1399
01:09:12,130 --> 01:09:13,440
So ask yourself that question.

1400
01:09:13,450 --> 01:09:18,139
Do you think if we clean house, we've
got to go, we'll probably lose a lot of

1401
01:09:18,139 --> 01:09:19,439
our talented players that we have now.

1402
01:09:19,440 --> 01:09:21,789
They're not going to stay
over for new coaching staff.

1403
01:09:22,119 --> 01:09:24,880
Are we more likely to have like
two or three wins next year?

1404
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,410
Or are we more likely to have
seven, eight, nine wins next year?

1405
01:09:27,820 --> 01:09:29,030
So that's kind of where you ask yourself.

1406
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,430
Like we have a lot of work to do
in the portal and the offices, and

1407
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:32,490
we've got to replace a lot of talent.

1408
01:09:32,500 --> 01:09:36,180
We've got to build a lot of talent, but
I don't think that that is made easier

1409
01:09:36,270 --> 01:09:38,049
right now with the coaching change.

1410
01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:40,180
Like it was easier.

1411
01:09:40,180 --> 01:09:43,139
I think the previous one, because
we loaded up so much with Juco

1412
01:09:43,140 --> 01:09:46,879
in that last year, pushed all our
chips to the table and it came up.

1413
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:50,650
Uh, I don't think we're in
that particular situation, but

1414
01:09:52,020 --> 01:09:53,770
it's showed show or go time.

1415
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:55,540
I think David put it in
his recap pretty well.

1416
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:59,950
Like we expect to be winning
the Sunbelt these next year.

1417
01:10:00,970 --> 01:10:02,220
Aaron: I think Ricky.

1418
01:10:02,625 --> 01:10:08,335
I mean, he's an Ivy League dude is
a smart guy and I think he's gonna,

1419
01:10:11,505 --> 01:10:15,655
if he goes out, he'll go out on a
sword and trying to do things the right

1420
01:10:15,655 --> 01:10:17,335
way and build the team the right way.

1421
01:10:17,724 --> 01:10:22,904
I don't think he'll do what was the
downfall of the previous coaching regime.

1422
01:10:23,705 --> 01:10:26,184
And if it's not good enough,
it ends up not being good.

1423
01:10:27,175 --> 01:10:28,485
I think you're spot on there, Gary.

1424
01:10:28,485 --> 01:10:32,965
I mean, you've got a freshman
quarterback who shows so much.

1425
01:10:33,990 --> 01:10:38,200
Potential and you definitely want
you, you want Colton back next year.

1426
01:10:38,620 --> 01:10:42,430
You've got some guys on the
line who are coming together.

1427
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,960
I mean, you've got a dude, Zach
Barlove, who's come in and has

1428
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:47,930
just been a stud on the line.

1429
01:10:48,370 --> 01:10:49,960
That dude can be back next year.

1430
01:10:50,440 --> 01:10:51,689
You're linebackers.

1431
01:10:52,199 --> 01:10:55,709
You can, I mean, there's
so many bright spots.

1432
01:10:56,259 --> 01:10:59,880
You just need, you know, you've
got to add in some positions, just

1433
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:01,960
like every other team out there.

1434
01:11:02,460 --> 01:11:04,079
But I think you've got the best chance.

1435
01:11:04,795 --> 01:11:07,805
Gary: Yeah, maybe if we didn't have
Colton and Jahron, like, maybe I would

1436
01:11:07,805 --> 01:11:11,605
feel differently about that because I
feel like you have two studs on both

1437
01:11:11,605 --> 01:11:14,444
sides of the ball that played this year,
potentially getting a Jason Henderson

1438
01:11:14,445 --> 01:11:18,925
back and some other guys, but we have
to be the most aggressive we have ever

1439
01:11:18,925 --> 01:11:23,985
been in the transfer portal for plug
and play talent, like what's our wide

1440
01:11:23,985 --> 01:11:25,465
receiver room look like next year?

1441
01:11:25,515 --> 01:11:27,825
We know there's some guys that
are going to be leaving because

1442
01:11:27,825 --> 01:11:28,775
they're out of eligibility.

1443
01:11:29,055 --> 01:11:30,485
What's our O line look like next year?

1444
01:11:30,485 --> 01:11:32,225
What do we look like in the secondary?

1445
01:11:32,225 --> 01:11:34,545
We have to replace the whole
secondary again, minus Jahron.

1446
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:40,070
So we still have to be exceptionally
aggressive because we need to get on the

1447
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:44,530
same talent level as our competition here
at the Sunbelt because that's those one or

1448
01:11:44,530 --> 01:11:46,200
two plays that win and lose you the game.

1449
01:11:46,510 --> 01:11:50,669
If we win one or two more of those
plays every game, like we could be

1450
01:11:50,670 --> 01:11:53,159
sitting here with the reverse schedule
where seven and four and talk about,

1451
01:11:53,190 --> 01:11:56,500
Hey, beat Arkansas state where we might
host the Sunbelt championship game.

1452
01:11:56,970 --> 01:11:58,060
But exactly.

1453
01:11:58,630 --> 01:12:01,900
Jonathan: I want to, I want
to go open Pandora's box here.

1454
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:07,240
You know, we, we can probably
spend the next 16 episodes talking.

1455
01:12:07,770 --> 01:12:09,730
Uh, but, but two points, right?

1456
01:12:09,730 --> 01:12:17,069
We, we talk about Sunbelt competition
for CAA in all sports aspects, uh, but

1457
01:12:17,069 --> 01:12:19,439
also the college environment, right?

1458
01:12:19,789 --> 01:12:23,040
You look back when we had success,
like we found great talent.

1459
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,330
Our coaches are great
at securing that talent.

1460
01:12:25,620 --> 01:12:26,540
And back then.

1461
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:28,850
You sign with the school,
you go to a school.

1462
01:12:29,110 --> 01:12:31,430
If you want to move within D1,
you have to sit out a year.

1463
01:12:31,590 --> 01:12:31,980
Right.

1464
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:36,140
And we all are very well aware,
you know, Monarch nation, like.

1465
01:12:36,585 --> 01:12:40,965
of the new NIL world, the transfer
portal, like the challenges that

1466
01:12:40,975 --> 01:12:43,665
bring and you look at Cignetti
going from JMU to Indiana.

1467
01:12:45,315 --> 01:12:49,034
I wonder how big that checkbook
was from the Indiana donor base.

1468
01:12:49,085 --> 01:12:50,734
They were tired of having
a bad football team.

1469
01:12:50,734 --> 01:12:54,424
They said, Hey, bring your
guys in, go get some guys.

1470
01:12:54,495 --> 01:12:58,255
And again, not to say they went
and spent, you know, 60 million and

1471
01:12:58,255 --> 01:12:59,345
now they have a great team like.

1472
01:12:59,750 --> 01:13:04,140
Obviously, Coach Cignetti does,
he, he, he wins, Google him, right?

1473
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:05,840
Uh, but like, I

1474
01:13:06,770 --> 01:13:07,930
Aaron: see what you did there.

1475
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,940
Jonathan: That, that just, that's just
kind of, I didn't write that one down.

1476
01:13:11,010 --> 01:13:20,579
Um, but no, like, to win now, we need
to support NIL, the pride, right?

1477
01:13:20,749 --> 01:13:23,599
Like, whatever we can do, if you're
feeling down, if you're feeling

1478
01:13:23,599 --> 01:13:26,349
hurt, like, how can we be better?

1479
01:13:26,629 --> 01:13:29,259
You think about the fan base,
you can influence that, right?

1480
01:13:30,030 --> 01:13:35,890
Like you can donate to the pride to
support the football team because now we

1481
01:13:35,890 --> 01:13:37,210
have to go back to the transfer portal.

1482
01:13:37,210 --> 01:13:41,430
We had what, 60 plus guys, two
years ago, we had 56 this year.

1483
01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:45,689
Like every team across college
football is doing right.

1484
01:13:45,690 --> 01:13:48,779
They have their donor base and
they have their support that

1485
01:13:48,779 --> 01:13:50,550
they can restack their team.

1486
01:13:50,930 --> 01:13:54,140
And yeah, our record, you know, we're
four and seven, we were stacking,

1487
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:55,300
we had a good football team.

1488
01:13:55,470 --> 01:13:59,180
We were able to find the right people
within the transfer portal, get them in.

1489
01:13:59,745 --> 01:14:03,555
But if we want to guarantee success,
look at that, you know, Aaron

1490
01:14:03,625 --> 01:14:08,304
didn't put me up for this, but if
we want to make an impact, how we

1491
01:14:08,304 --> 01:14:10,195
do it, this is the new world, right?

1492
01:14:10,235 --> 01:14:12,344
Like, if we want better talent,
if we want to secure our

1493
01:14:12,344 --> 01:14:14,285
talent, this is how it's done.

1494
01:14:14,525 --> 01:14:15,564
Unfortunately, right?

1495
01:14:15,565 --> 01:14:17,815
There's no, Oh, the coach recruited me.

1496
01:14:17,815 --> 01:14:18,404
I'm here.

1497
01:14:18,745 --> 01:14:21,355
Not to say, you know, anything on
the, the kids that are here now, but

1498
01:14:21,365 --> 01:14:23,995
like, again, it is a business world.

1499
01:14:24,695 --> 01:14:27,675
And how do you, you went in business,
you invest in your business.

1500
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:29,070
And you hope it grows.

1501
01:14:31,140 --> 01:14:31,300
Jarod: Yeah.

1502
01:14:31,300 --> 01:14:32,410
The turnover is not going to help.

1503
01:14:32,430 --> 01:14:38,479
If, if, if, if Ricky goes, Colton
probably goes, if Ricky goes, like you

1504
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:41,610
said, some of the other guys probably
go, that turnover is not going to help.

1505
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:43,400
He's, he's building the team.

1506
01:14:43,410 --> 01:14:44,540
He's doing his thing.

1507
01:14:44,929 --> 01:14:45,439
Yes.

1508
01:14:45,580 --> 01:14:51,790
We didn't win more than we won last year
and it sucks, but it just doesn't make

1509
01:14:51,790 --> 01:14:55,140
sense that all these people in my mind,
that all these people think, Oh, you know,

1510
01:14:55,150 --> 01:14:56,800
Ricky's this Ricky's that he's got to go.

1511
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:58,250
I think they're, I think
they're dead wrong.

1512
01:14:58,750 --> 01:15:02,345
And, uh, yeah, just wanted to say that,
you know, I just, I, I hear it a lot

1513
01:15:02,345 --> 01:15:05,645
and it's frustrating to hear when, when
you think about how this, the program

1514
01:15:05,645 --> 01:15:09,455
was at the end of the last era, and
then at the very beginning of this one,

1515
01:15:12,615 --> 01:15:13,545
Gary: it's, it's tough.

1516
01:15:13,585 --> 01:15:16,194
And I understand everyone out
there who has that opinion to

1517
01:15:16,235 --> 01:15:17,195
clean house and start over.

1518
01:15:17,195 --> 01:15:18,145
Like I get that.

1519
01:15:18,164 --> 01:15:18,875
I understand it.

1520
01:15:18,885 --> 01:15:22,474
You go look at the wins and losses
and hard, hard to argue against

1521
01:15:22,474 --> 01:15:27,395
you, but I'm just thinking of a
complete turnover of everybody.

1522
01:15:27,545 --> 01:15:30,885
Cause I mean, you're, you're talking
75, 80 guys in the portal, all the

1523
01:15:30,885 --> 01:15:33,695
names you recognize on the sideline,
probably gone at this point.

1524
01:15:34,150 --> 01:15:37,780
Uh, the coaches that you do like,
um, the coaches that have done really

1525
01:15:37,780 --> 01:15:38,930
well in defensive side of the ball.

1526
01:15:39,030 --> 01:15:41,670
Like we could lose them anyway
to a better job right now.

1527
01:15:41,980 --> 01:15:44,329
I would love to have them back
here next year because I think they

1528
01:15:44,330 --> 01:15:46,620
can build a really good defense
with the pieces coming back in.

1529
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:52,760
Um, so it's just tough, but make
no mistake, like next year the

1530
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:57,570
bar is the bar and if it's not
met, there's been opportunity.

1531
01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:59,180
Jarod: Yeah, I agree.

1532
01:15:59,180 --> 01:15:59,760
We have to win.

1533
01:15:59,810 --> 01:16:00,680
I mean, there's no doubt about it.

1534
01:16:00,710 --> 01:16:01,310
We have to win.

1535
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:06,500
There has to be improvement,
but you know, it's a process.

1536
01:16:08,065 --> 01:16:10,045
Gary: I want to see Colton
throw for 4, 000 yards and

1537
01:16:10,045 --> 01:16:11,285
like 40 touchdowns next year.

1538
01:16:11,285 --> 01:16:12,175
So that's what I'm rooting for.

1539
01:16:14,405 --> 01:16:15,925
Aaron: That'd be a beautiful thing to see.

1540
01:16:16,285 --> 01:16:23,374
Um, it really will be so, uh, you know,
we're an hour and 15 minutes Gary.

1541
01:16:23,374 --> 01:16:27,855
Do we want to preview a state or
do we want to let Kara Richie do

1542
01:16:27,855 --> 01:16:30,534
that in our show later in the week?

1543
01:16:31,434 --> 01:16:35,165
Gary: I'll give you a quick, like 90
second drill here on Arkansas state.

1544
01:16:35,245 --> 01:16:37,645
Uh, but definitely tune back
in to listen to Kara Richie.

1545
01:16:37,645 --> 01:16:41,875
She's one of our favorite people in the
Sunbelt covers everything Arkansas state.

1546
01:16:42,415 --> 01:16:43,785
So definitely keep an eye out for that.

1547
01:16:43,785 --> 01:16:47,795
But, uh, Arkansas state has been a
team this year that has won all of the

1548
01:16:47,795 --> 01:16:49,325
games that they are supposed to win.

1549
01:16:49,715 --> 01:16:51,415
Uh, they are five and O at home.

1550
01:16:51,475 --> 01:16:54,235
They are going to be motivated
to beat us on Saturday so

1551
01:16:54,235 --> 01:16:55,435
they can go six and O at home.

1552
01:16:55,805 --> 01:16:58,365
Uh, this team has had
a complete turnaround.

1553
01:16:58,365 --> 01:17:01,254
I mean, beginning of the season
last year, Butch Jones looks like

1554
01:17:01,255 --> 01:17:02,415
he was going to get thrown out.

1555
01:17:02,425 --> 01:17:06,845
They were getting outscored something like
160 to 10 through the first three games.

1556
01:17:07,305 --> 01:17:08,595
Uh, but they figured something out.

1557
01:17:08,595 --> 01:17:10,955
They've turned it around
and they do their job.

1558
01:17:10,955 --> 01:17:12,305
They played a tough schedule this year.

1559
01:17:12,305 --> 01:17:14,615
They lost, uh, 10 point game to Michigan.

1560
01:17:14,995 --> 01:17:16,615
Uh, they lost at Iowa State.

1561
01:17:16,945 --> 01:17:18,985
Uh, they played some of the
tougher teams in the Sunbelt with

1562
01:17:18,985 --> 01:17:20,335
obviously everyone in the west.

1563
01:17:20,395 --> 01:17:22,645
Uh, they got Georgia State
and US out of the east.

1564
01:17:23,055 --> 01:17:25,935
They've won two straight games,
uh, to get bowl eligibility.

1565
01:17:25,935 --> 01:17:27,915
And they beat ULM last
week to get to seven.

1566
01:17:27,915 --> 01:17:29,355
So they're definitely competing for.

1567
01:17:29,925 --> 01:17:31,855
Uh, just just better bowl position.

1568
01:17:31,855 --> 01:17:34,855
Jalen Rainer is still
at quarterback for them.

1569
01:17:34,935 --> 01:17:38,055
Um, doesn't throw it a ton, but
he's got 11 touchdowns, eight

1570
01:17:38,055 --> 01:17:41,785
interceptions, but really they kill you
on the ground with a rushing attack.

1571
01:17:41,785 --> 01:17:45,854
They've got three guys over 500 yards a
season, one of them being Jalen Rainer.

1572
01:17:46,035 --> 01:17:48,045
They just tear you up inside.

1573
01:17:48,045 --> 01:17:50,695
They block well, they don't
make a ton of mistakes.

1574
01:17:51,445 --> 01:17:55,915
It's a winnable game for us, but
it's gonna be uphill for us in that

1575
01:17:55,915 --> 01:17:59,000
ballgame because Arkansas State has,
Everything going forward and want to

1576
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:00,490
finish that undefeated home schedule.

1577
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:06,880
Aaron: So they've won, uh, Five in a
row at home or they're five and oh at

1578
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:11,449
home, but they've won seven home games
in a row So yeah, they're playing very

1579
01:18:11,449 --> 01:18:18,389
tough at home uh Unlike how I screwed
up my discussion last week with regards

1580
01:18:18,390 --> 01:18:24,419
to the line on the game as I was looking
at a Basketball line from the previous

1581
01:18:24,419 --> 01:18:29,090
season, but this game looks like it's
uh, odu minus four right now gary You

1582
01:18:29,460 --> 01:18:34,480
But it sounds like if you were to drive
across state lines, you would be loading

1583
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:36,210
up in a different direction, perhaps?

1584
01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:40,500
Gary: Yes, I have to continue to hedge
my preseason bet on our win total, but

1585
01:18:40,530 --> 01:18:44,099
yeah, I will be making a trip to Colonial
Beach to get four, four and a half,

1586
01:18:44,100 --> 01:18:45,869
whatever it may be on Arkansas State.

1587
01:18:45,909 --> 01:18:46,930
So OD can still win.

1588
01:18:47,190 --> 01:18:47,840
That'd be great.

1589
01:18:48,270 --> 01:18:51,340
Um, but gotta, gotta hedge that
big old ticket hanging out there.

1590
01:18:53,550 --> 01:18:56,910
Aaron: Alright, so, uh, do we
want to ask the fellas what their

1591
01:18:56,910 --> 01:18:58,150
prediction is for this game?

1592
01:18:58,159 --> 01:18:59,070
We doing predictions?

1593
01:19:00,605 --> 01:19:01,635
Gary: Yeah, we got to do predictions.

1594
01:19:01,635 --> 01:19:02,845
We got to at least finish strong.

1595
01:19:02,875 --> 01:19:03,165
So

1596
01:19:03,875 --> 01:19:04,195
Aaron: cool.

1597
01:19:04,385 --> 01:19:06,975
Which one of you guys want to go first?

1598
01:19:09,905 --> 01:19:13,444
I got to say, Jarod, you're going to
go first because you weren't on mute.

1599
01:19:13,835 --> 01:19:14,354
Jarod: There it is.

1600
01:19:14,395 --> 01:19:15,864
I was going to say he unmuted himself.

1601
01:19:15,864 --> 01:19:17,385
So he obviously wants to go first.

1602
01:19:17,385 --> 01:19:20,214
But, um, you know, I don't
know much about Arkansas State.

1603
01:19:20,455 --> 01:19:23,325
I've been paying attention throughout
the last few weeks that, you know,

1604
01:19:23,325 --> 01:19:24,505
what their record is, because.

1605
01:19:24,915 --> 01:19:27,475
I knew that, you know, if we were
going to win out, if we had beat

1606
01:19:27,475 --> 01:19:30,265
JMU, if we beat Marshall, then this
would be a massive game for us.

1607
01:19:30,355 --> 01:19:33,105
So I've been paying attention and seeing
that they're, they're a very good team.

1608
01:19:33,355 --> 01:19:37,805
I do see that we are, uh, we're
the favorite, which I love to see.

1609
01:19:37,805 --> 01:19:41,804
We're not a lot of the time, the
favorite, so I am going to stick with it.

1610
01:19:42,485 --> 01:19:43,945
I'm going to go ODU.

1611
01:19:46,515 --> 01:19:47,305
31.

1612
01:19:48,425 --> 01:19:50,195
Now I'm going to go Arkansas State

1613
01:19:52,815 --> 01:19:52,905
21.

1614
01:19:52,905 --> 01:19:53,445
I'm going to go with that.

1615
01:19:53,445 --> 01:19:54,685
I'm going to score a game.

1616
01:19:55,075 --> 01:19:57,125
Yeah, I'm talking about
going, uh, counterculture.

1617
01:19:57,405 --> 01:19:58,565
Yeah, exactly.

1618
01:19:58,795 --> 01:20:00,295
I think we're going to
score some touchdowns.

1619
01:20:00,295 --> 01:20:02,835
I think the guys are going to be pissed
about this, how these last two games

1620
01:20:02,835 --> 01:20:06,434
have gone and we're going to continue
the success of that, uh, of that

1621
01:20:06,435 --> 01:20:08,414
second half and score some touchdowns.

1622
01:20:08,414 --> 01:20:10,545
And I always like to give
Ethan the field goal.

1623
01:20:10,865 --> 01:20:13,085
Uh, you know, got to give him one.

1624
01:20:13,505 --> 01:20:14,415
It's the kicker in me.

1625
01:20:14,535 --> 01:20:15,115
Can't help it.

1626
01:20:18,825 --> 01:20:22,545
Jonathan: You know, that was going to
be my scoreline prediction, but, uh,

1627
01:20:22,545 --> 01:20:23,965
you know, I'll, I'll change it up.

1628
01:20:24,535 --> 01:20:31,435
Um, I'm going to go 1714,
you know, keep the, uh, one

1629
01:20:31,435 --> 01:20:34,675
score game, uh, ODU obviously.

1630
01:20:35,235 --> 01:20:37,854
Uh, but I think it's going
to be a low scoring affair.

1631
01:20:37,855 --> 01:20:40,974
Obviously they have scored points and
then there's been instances where they

1632
01:20:40,984 --> 01:20:45,915
haven't Arkansas state that is, uh, I
think it's a strength on strength, right?

1633
01:20:45,925 --> 01:20:47,194
Time of possession battle.

1634
01:20:47,690 --> 01:20:51,100
Uh, you know, I, I feel like our defense
is going to be able to rein them in

1635
01:20:51,100 --> 01:20:55,729
enough, uh, so it'll be a relatively
low scoring affair, uh, but, you know,

1636
01:20:55,730 --> 01:21:01,830
we, we, we've proven that we can score,
um, you know, um, wasn't going to

1637
01:21:01,830 --> 01:21:05,690
go with the higher, uh, spread there
just based on, uh, you know, past

1638
01:21:05,690 --> 01:21:10,330
history, past data points, but, uh, I
do feel 1714 ODU out, you know, on top.

1639
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:13,500
Aaron: All right.

1640
01:21:14,100 --> 01:21:15,640
What are you thinking
about that one, Gary?

1641
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:16,230
What do you think?

1642
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:18,870
Gary: Well, I like Jarod's 31 number.

1643
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:20,210
I think it's a really pretty number.

1644
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:22,410
I just think Arkansas State is
going to be the one that has it.

1645
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:25,549
I think it's going to
be 3128 Arkansas State.

1646
01:21:25,980 --> 01:21:27,419
Our guys are going to fight like hell.

1647
01:21:27,710 --> 01:21:30,720
You're probably going to see a lot more
freshmen get some run in this game.

1648
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,259
Some guys maybe you haven't seen,
uh, and they're going to be playing

1649
01:21:33,259 --> 01:21:35,879
with some fire, trying to get
themselves a spot for next year.

1650
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,310
Uh, you're going to see other
guys step up and want to play too.

1651
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:39,290
Like they're going to fight.

1652
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:40,390
It's gonna be a one score game.

1653
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:43,470
Uh, I think Arkansas State
gets the win in the end 3128.

1654
01:21:46,150 --> 01:21:46,610
Aaron: All right.

1655
01:21:48,980 --> 01:21:50,360
So I do agree with you, Gary.

1656
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:52,920
I think a lot of, a lot of
dudes are young guys are going

1657
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:54,080
to get some one in this game.

1658
01:21:54,100 --> 01:21:56,640
Part of it because we have
to because of injuries.

1659
01:21:56,650 --> 01:21:59,540
Part of it because it makes sense
for the future of the program.

1660
01:22:00,770 --> 01:22:04,760
A lot of folks are asking me how this team
is going to get up to this game knowing

1661
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:06,850
that they don't have bolt eligibility.

1662
01:22:07,450 --> 01:22:11,310
And this question was asked
to Ricky in his post game.

1663
01:22:12,780 --> 01:22:14,950
Presser, not match.

1664
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:15,670
Yes, sir.

1665
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:22,120
Aaron: Uh, and, Ricky's
words, like, hit home to me.

1666
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:26,339
And he talked about, hey, when you were
a kid and you were on a playground, and

1667
01:22:26,340 --> 01:22:30,039
we were playing football on a playground
or whatever it was, you didn't play hard

1668
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:35,569
or want to win because the people who
weren't watching you at the playground,

1669
01:22:36,769 --> 01:22:38,420
you did it because you wanted to win.

1670
01:22:38,930 --> 01:22:39,840
And you loved winning.

1671
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,810
And you loved the game, and
you loved that kind of thing.

1672
01:22:43,535 --> 01:22:47,955
And judging from the way that these
guys have fought all season, I think

1673
01:22:47,965 --> 01:22:49,555
that's the way our team is wired.

1674
01:22:50,515 --> 01:22:53,855
So I think our folks go down to a state.

1675
01:22:54,955 --> 01:22:58,134
I have no reason to think that it's not
going to be a close game, a one score

1676
01:22:58,135 --> 01:23:03,124
game, because until that trend really
significantly goes, I got to go with that.

1677
01:23:06,660 --> 01:23:14,160
And Ethan Sanchez picks a long ass
field goal To win this game by three

1678
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:20,910
points Gary wins his bet we win and have
some momentum going in the next season

1679
01:23:23,340 --> 01:23:27,610
go monarchs, baby kill
monarchs go monarchs

1680
01:23:27,900 --> 01:23:29,080
Gary: Go monarchs

1681
01:23:31,495 --> 01:23:32,745
Aaron: Oh, did I just end it?

1682
01:23:33,435 --> 01:23:33,505
Jonathan: I

1683
01:23:33,505 --> 01:23:34,265
Gary: think you did.

1684
01:23:34,475 --> 01:23:34,715
Aaron: I think so.

1685
01:23:35,155 --> 01:23:36,095
Jonathan: That's the way

1686
01:23:36,095 --> 01:23:36,495
Jarod: to end it.

1687
01:23:36,595 --> 01:23:36,785
I didn't

1688
01:23:36,785 --> 01:23:38,685
Aaron: mean to do that by the go marks.

1689
01:23:38,825 --> 01:23:42,195
Jarod: Hey, as long as it's not
above a 54 yard field goal, I'm cool.

1690
01:23:42,195 --> 01:23:43,085
He can kick a long one.

1691
01:23:43,085 --> 01:23:43,664
That's fine.

1692
01:23:43,664 --> 01:23:44,124
That's right.

1693
01:23:44,195 --> 01:23:45,715
Jonathan: You still have the record.

1694
01:23:46,925 --> 01:23:48,874
Jarod: Every time it gets,
every time it gets close to a

1695
01:23:48,875 --> 01:23:50,505
52 or more at home, I'm like

1696
01:23:51,684 --> 01:23:53,885
Aaron: You're like Miami Dolphins fans.

1697
01:23:54,655 --> 01:23:56,515
Every year, breaking out the bubbly.

1698
01:23:58,295 --> 01:23:59,285
Oh, man.

1699
01:23:59,725 --> 01:24:05,650
Um So a couple, a couple things.

1700
01:24:05,890 --> 01:24:11,100
Um, you want to play the drop or you
just want to give some words, Gary?

1701
01:24:11,790 --> 01:24:13,310
Gary: No, let's, uh, let's play the drop.

1702
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:16,890
I mean, we were talking about, this
is the, the best time for us to be

1703
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:20,600
looking to load up that NIL fund
going into the transfer portal here.

1704
01:24:21,089 --> 01:24:25,265
Uh, so I think it'd be a good time to
hear a little bit from our friends at the

1705
01:24:25,265 --> 01:24:26,019
collective.

1706
01:24:26,020 --> 01:24:29,230
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1707
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:30,650
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1708
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1709
01:24:34,595 --> 01:24:38,355
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1710
01:24:38,705 --> 01:24:41,780
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1711
01:24:41,780 --> 01:24:46,680
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1712
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That is the pride of ODU dot com.

1713
01:24:50,870 --> 01:24:52,710
Thank you for listening and go Mars.

1714
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:59,310
Aaron: Thank you for reminding
me about that, Gary, that, that

1715
01:24:59,310 --> 01:25:00,669
really, that is so important.

1716
01:25:00,679 --> 01:25:04,489
We appreciate all the folks who have
gotten together with us at, whether it's

1717
01:25:04,569 --> 01:25:06,979
at watch parties or it's at pep rallies.

1718
01:25:07,335 --> 01:25:09,445
We're just, you know, at
a basketball chatting and

1719
01:25:09,445 --> 01:25:11,725
joining, uh, joining the pride.

1720
01:25:12,215 --> 01:25:15,505
Um, that can't be stated enough.

1721
01:25:15,525 --> 01:25:16,915
We really appreciate you joining.

1722
01:25:17,335 --> 01:25:19,215
Please tell your friends
we've got to grow this thing.

1723
01:25:19,264 --> 01:25:22,684
There is absolutely zero
reason why we cannot have that.

1724
01:25:22,684 --> 01:25:26,494
We shouldn't have the
strongest NIL collective in the

1725
01:25:26,494 --> 01:25:28,485
Sunbelt, really in the G five.

1726
01:25:29,595 --> 01:25:31,995
No, obviously we're never going
to compete against P fours with

1727
01:25:31,995 --> 01:25:34,415
regards to that kind of stuff, but
that shouldn't be our goal either.

1728
01:25:35,985 --> 01:25:37,135
We've got to beat our peers.

1729
01:25:39,485 --> 01:25:43,075
Gary: Yeah, that's one way fans can
absolutely help out and directly impact

1730
01:25:43,115 --> 01:25:46,965
what things look like on the field next
year, like we all, we all want those

1731
01:25:46,965 --> 01:25:50,314
really top end guys that come out, uh,
circling back to guys that maybe were

1732
01:25:50,315 --> 01:25:54,644
committed to us, but flipped elsewhere,
realized the grass wasn't quite as green,

1733
01:25:54,645 --> 01:25:58,444
especially with their playing time, uh,
and maybe take a look at coming back

1734
01:25:58,444 --> 01:26:03,135
here, playing at home off on stuff,
uh, but that all costs money now and

1735
01:26:03,145 --> 01:26:04,565
more than just your recruiting budget.

1736
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:10,200
So, regardless of your personal feelings
on NIL, if you want to compete and win

1737
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:12,450
these days, you've got to buy into it.

1738
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:16,240
Aaron: I'm going to ask you guys each one
question, the same question, but I'm going

1739
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:18,860
to ask you before I close this thing out.

1740
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:24,980
Uh, we'll go with Gary first, then we'll
go with Jarod, then we'll go with John.

1741
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:33,975
Alright, if you had one year of
eligibility left, And there was any NIL

1742
01:26:33,975 --> 01:26:40,035
partner in the 757 that would come to
you and want you to rep their product.

1743
01:26:40,845 --> 01:26:42,455
And they were going to pay you for it.

1744
01:26:43,895 --> 01:26:45,945
What would that product or business be?

1745
01:26:48,085 --> 01:26:49,175
Gary, you're the first.

1746
01:26:49,385 --> 01:26:51,365
Gary: Not going to be the
big and tall store for me.

1747
01:26:51,365 --> 01:26:55,534
I can tell you that, uh, trying to
think of what position I'd play if

1748
01:26:55,534 --> 01:26:58,735
I'd come back and that wouldn't have
me get killed on a regular basis.

1749
01:27:00,955 --> 01:27:02,325
Oh man,

1750
01:27:04,605 --> 01:27:05,534
Aaron: we can come back to you.

1751
01:27:05,535 --> 01:27:07,225
If one of the other guys knows the

1752
01:27:08,085 --> 01:27:11,005
Gary: business that they, I could
take the easy cop out and just

1753
01:27:11,005 --> 01:27:14,175
say Delvecchio's cause I basically
give them free advertisement now

1754
01:27:14,175 --> 01:27:15,744
after every game going in there.

1755
01:27:15,744 --> 01:27:15,939
So.

1756
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:18,600
I have a feeling you might have,

1757
01:27:19,090 --> 01:27:22,110
Aaron: you might have stolen
one of theirs, but all

1758
01:27:22,110 --> 01:27:23,240
right, Jarod, it's up to you.

1759
01:27:24,290 --> 01:27:25,680
Jarod: Can I, can I say two?

1760
01:27:26,770 --> 01:27:27,180
Of course.

1761
01:27:28,020 --> 01:27:28,790
I got two of them.

1762
01:27:29,470 --> 01:27:32,420
Number one, the dirty buffalo.

1763
01:27:33,805 --> 01:27:38,565
I love that frigging place
almost as much as I love Delvex,

1764
01:27:38,575 --> 01:27:40,455
which is pretty tough to beat.

1765
01:27:40,735 --> 01:27:41,955
I love the dirty Buffalo.

1766
01:27:41,955 --> 01:27:42,815
So that'd be pretty cool.

1767
01:27:43,005 --> 01:27:46,305
And number two, we got to give a shout
out to Tommy Riemann city on my chest.

1768
01:27:46,335 --> 01:27:50,335
That'd be pretty cool too, because Tommy
Riemann obviously played for old dominion.

1769
01:27:50,335 --> 01:27:54,055
He started his own business along, uh,
you know, probably 10 years ago at this

1770
01:27:54,055 --> 01:27:57,625
point, uh, just making t shirts and he's
built it up into something that's really

1771
01:27:57,625 --> 01:27:59,365
cool, really helps out the community.

1772
01:27:59,365 --> 01:28:01,265
If you guys don't know what it
is, you should take a look at it.

1773
01:28:01,265 --> 01:28:02,054
It's pretty awesome.

1774
01:28:02,085 --> 01:28:03,800
So, That'd be my find it.

1775
01:28:04,430 --> 01:28:08,460
Uh, well, he's got a store in the
Patrick Henry mall in Newport News,

1776
01:28:08,820 --> 01:28:12,470
uh, but he's also online and he's got
some really cool products and then

1777
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:14,349
they obviously, uh, don't just do that.

1778
01:28:14,349 --> 01:28:17,029
They do a lot of like community
engagement stuff, which is really awesome.

1779
01:28:17,230 --> 01:28:18,369
He kind of crushes it there.

1780
01:28:18,370 --> 01:28:20,780
So, um, but yeah, city on my chest.

1781
01:28:20,980 --> 01:28:24,140
com is what I, is what I
think the, uh, the website is.

1782
01:28:25,845 --> 01:28:26,145
So,

1783
01:28:27,145 --> 01:28:28,115
Jonathan: yeah, those are all good.

1784
01:28:28,145 --> 01:28:34,515
Uh, you know, dirty buffalo, you know,
with tr a city on my chest like, um,

1785
01:28:34,805 --> 01:28:36,685
Jarod you'll you'll find this one funny.

1786
01:28:36,835 --> 01:28:41,675
Uh, Uh, I would say atlantic
orthopedic associates

1787
01:28:42,455 --> 01:28:42,775
Oh, dude

1788
01:28:44,575 --> 01:28:46,815
Aaron: You're getting
fired up about that one.

1789
01:28:46,815 --> 01:28:49,205
Did you listen to watch
last week's episode

1790
01:28:49,295 --> 01:28:49,995
Jonathan: unreal?

1791
01:28:50,295 --> 01:28:51,105
I did not actually

1792
01:28:51,155 --> 01:28:52,745
Aaron: oh Oh, that's even better.

1793
01:28:52,775 --> 01:28:55,350
I had a rant last week I
completely went off on those guys

1794
01:28:55,370 --> 01:28:56,430
and I had forgotten about it.

1795
01:28:56,430 --> 01:28:59,760
I was actually going to mention it again
this week, but thank you for triggering me

1796
01:28:59,950 --> 01:29:03,460
Jonathan: or, or any orthopedic
provider in the area.

1797
01:29:03,510 --> 01:29:08,500
Um, one, because I still support them
in my various, uh, adventures in life.

1798
01:29:08,530 --> 01:29:12,279
Uh, you know, it's hard to hang up
the, uh, the cleats or whatever it may

1799
01:29:12,279 --> 01:29:16,500
be, but, uh, certainly supported the
orthopedic community going through to you.

1800
01:29:16,500 --> 01:29:19,370
So, you know, I have a soft
spot for orthos in my life.

1801
01:29:19,370 --> 01:29:22,120
So, uh, if they could sponsor me, you
know, I'm like their poster child.

1802
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:22,490
Right.

1803
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:23,280
Uh,

1804
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:25,520
Jarod: Yeah, he was
made of glass back then.

1805
01:29:25,530 --> 01:29:26,100
It's unreal.

1806
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:28,380
Didn't miss a game, still made a

1807
01:29:28,380 --> 01:29:28,600
Jonathan: glass.

1808
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:31,760
They said Craig had the
record for ODU starts.

1809
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:33,250
I was right there with him, but,

1810
01:29:34,969 --> 01:29:38,030
Jarod: uh, I don't, did I
ever not start a game too?

1811
01:29:39,269 --> 01:29:42,099
Just saying all, all
four years, just saying.

1812
01:29:42,780 --> 01:29:43,420
Kickers don't count.

1813
01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:44,450
Jonathan: Oh, okay.

1814
01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:45,350
So putters count.

1815
01:29:45,630 --> 01:29:46,415
Jarod: Putters count.

1816
01:29:46,415 --> 01:29:47,900
But the guy who scores
the points doesn't count.

1817
01:29:47,900 --> 01:29:48,400
Yeah, sure.

1818
01:29:48,810 --> 01:29:49,320
Whatever.

1819
01:29:49,860 --> 01:29:51,429
Are you the all time leading

1820
01:29:51,710 --> 01:29:53,560
Aaron: scorer in All
Dominion football history?

1821
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:55,280
Is that true?

1822
01:29:58,780 --> 01:30:00,029
How many points did you score, John?

1823
01:30:04,180 --> 01:30:04,629
Jonathan: Let me think.

1824
01:30:04,660 --> 01:30:10,880
Uh, hey, uh, I do have the highest
ODU rush average to rush minimum.

1825
01:30:12,330 --> 01:30:13,510
Jarod: Hey, that counts.

1826
01:30:13,510 --> 01:30:14,589
Jonathan: 16.

1827
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:16,540
5 yard rush average.

1828
01:30:18,185 --> 01:30:19,355
Gary: Dude, suit him up.

1829
01:30:19,385 --> 01:30:20,055
Let's go.

1830
01:30:20,275 --> 01:30:20,765
Jonathan: Let's go.

1831
01:30:21,355 --> 01:30:21,815
Aaron: That's right.

1832
01:30:21,845 --> 01:30:22,125
Let's

1833
01:30:22,125 --> 01:30:22,725
Jonathan: go.

1834
01:30:22,945 --> 01:30:24,095
And then call the ortho.

1835
01:30:26,225 --> 01:30:27,545
Aaron: Man, you reminded me again.

1836
01:30:28,055 --> 01:30:28,425
Okay.

1837
01:30:28,605 --> 01:30:32,694
Since you're repping them now, since
you're the Atlantic orthopedic guy,

1838
01:30:33,805 --> 01:30:35,714
do you think it's appropriate to play?

1839
01:30:36,210 --> 01:30:40,710
Atlantic orthopedic freaking
jumbotron advertisements when

1840
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:42,160
guys get hurt on the field.

1841
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:49,000
Jonathan: So the question is, was
that offered by ODU, marketing, sports

1842
01:30:49,019 --> 01:30:56,489
properties, whatever, as a incentive
to sign them as a sponsor of said view?

1843
01:30:56,500 --> 01:30:59,780
Or was that a request on Atlantic Ortho?

1844
01:30:59,820 --> 01:31:00,470
I would hope.

1845
01:31:01,255 --> 01:31:03,625
It's neither of those, and
it's just really bad timing.

1846
01:31:03,625 --> 01:31:06,540
But I, I think we've seen a trend that's

1847
01:31:07,515 --> 01:31:07,696
Jarod: not bad timing.

1848
01:31:07,696 --> 01:31:07,697
That's

1849
01:31:08,190 --> 01:31:12,975
Aaron: every pay for, and
I, Hey, I, I, it, I get it.

1850
01:31:12,975 --> 01:31:16,695
And, and obviously there, there's
good money coming to du, but

1851
01:31:16,995 --> 01:31:18,705
just wait till the dude gets up.

1852
01:31:19,865 --> 01:31:21,905
That's only, that's what I
would change for the guy.

1853
01:31:21,905 --> 01:31:21,965
Yeah.

1854
01:31:21,965 --> 01:31:22,265
It's immediate.

1855
01:31:22,675 --> 01:31:23,515
Jarod: It is immediate.

1856
01:31:23,785 --> 01:31:24,025
Yeah.

1857
01:31:24,025 --> 01:31:25,675
It's like, it's like there's, there's a

1858
01:31:25,675 --> 01:31:26,485
Aaron: red button.

1859
01:31:26,635 --> 01:31:29,145
There's a red button that, oh shit, guy's.

1860
01:31:29,145 --> 01:31:29,445
Hurt.

1861
01:31:29,925 --> 01:31:30,435
Get it up there.

1862
01:31:30,435 --> 01:31:30,885
Get it up there.

1863
01:31:33,795 --> 01:31:34,455
Jonathan: like a sticker.

1864
01:31:34,455 --> 01:31:37,195
If there's like, you know, 15
injuries, you know, did they get like a

1865
01:31:37,195 --> 01:31:39,375
multiplier on the advertising revenue or

1866
01:31:40,895 --> 01:31:41,545
Aaron: I don't know.

1867
01:31:41,605 --> 01:31:44,434
I mean, it's just, it's, it's just timing.

1868
01:31:44,575 --> 01:31:45,144
That's all.

1869
01:31:47,245 --> 01:31:51,895
Probably just me, but I guess I didn't
mean to get a four spot there, Aaron.

1870
01:31:52,590 --> 01:31:53,670
Gary: Oh, that was so funny.

1871
01:31:53,670 --> 01:31:54,325
That's so worth it.

1872
01:31:54,325 --> 01:31:54,765
Hilarious.

1873
01:31:54,985 --> 01:31:55,366
So worth it.

1874
01:31:55,500 --> 01:31:55,860
Aaron: Gary.

1875
01:31:55,860 --> 01:31:59,400
Gary knew it was coming as soon as
you mentioned Atlantic Orthopedic.

1876
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:05,130
I saw him light up , not Jordan Young
Institute, but Atlantic Orthopedic.

1877
01:32:07,180 --> 01:32:10,740
Anyways, fellas, thank
you for coming on again.

1878
01:32:10,980 --> 01:32:11,250
Uh.

1879
01:32:13,090 --> 01:32:17,920
Quickly becoming probably more
regular than the rest of us.

1880
01:32:18,810 --> 01:32:22,430
We appreciate your insight that
that didn't sound right either.

1881
01:32:23,609 --> 01:32:25,300
That's a whole nother product placement.

1882
01:32:25,300 --> 01:32:29,619
If you had said P Franks or how

1883
01:32:29,620 --> 01:32:31,510
Jarod: do we get P for forget P Franks?

1884
01:32:31,540 --> 01:32:31,839
Oh my

1885
01:32:32,089 --> 01:32:32,519
Aaron: that's next.

1886
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:34,790
That's next season after
your dirty buff, uh,

1887
01:32:36,740 --> 01:32:36,980
Jarod: there's

1888
01:32:36,990 --> 01:32:39,690
Aaron: nothing saying that dirty
Buffalo can't still sponsor you.

1889
01:32:40,870 --> 01:32:42,000
They've done it before our

1890
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:42,450
Jarod: tailgate.

1891
01:32:43,395 --> 01:32:43,695
Aaron: Ooh.

1892
01:32:43,905 --> 01:32:44,145
Ooh.

1893
01:32:44,145 --> 01:32:48,055
Jarod: Ryan, if you're listening, we
would love that because we're trying

1894
01:32:48,055 --> 01:32:50,815
to bring as many alumni players as
possible to our tailgate and Dirty

1895
01:32:50,815 --> 01:32:52,255
Buffalo would be the best way to do it.

1896
01:32:52,255 --> 01:32:52,915
I'm just saying.

1897
01:32:53,985 --> 01:32:58,065
Aaron: I think that is a fabulous
way to end this show, dirty Buffalo.

1898
01:32:58,065 --> 01:33:02,805
If you're watching, you know
how to find Jarod and Jonathan

1899
01:33:03,555 --> 01:33:05,025
certainly know how to find us.

1900
01:33:06,645 --> 01:33:07,515
Go Monarchs.

1901
01:33:07,965 --> 01:33:08,985
Go Monarchs.

1902
01:33:09,975 --> 01:33:10,755
Jarod: Go Monarchs.

1903
01:33:11,265 --> 01:33:12,315
Gary: Go Monarchs.