Janice Porter: Hello everyone, and welcome to this week's
episode of relationships rule. I have a special guest this week,
as always, and her name is Candy motsek, and I'm happy to
introduce her and welcome her to the show. Candy is an author, a
podcast host and a business coach for life coaches, Candy
helps smart people start successful coaching businesses.
I love that she believes that coaching transforms lives and
that being a coach is a calling. She helps her clients get
unstuck and feel more confidence and clarity so they can play
bigger, sign clients and create more meaningful success. She is
a recovering corporate executive, an engineer who
combines practical, strategy and mindset in her calming, unique
approach to coaching. She also has a podcast, which is called,
she coaches coaches, and I love that too. So welcome to the
show, candy. Oh,
Candy Motzek: thanks Janice, and I really appreciate having me
on. It's great. Looking forward to our conversation, perfect.
Janice Porter: And I know that candy works from her she shed,
which is a beautiful spot in the back of her garden. Right? How
long have you had that?
Candy Motzek: You know, it's been about seven years now, and
I just love it. And I got to say even all these things. And I'm
thinking, I got to do something about that. All this, you know,
like, it makes it really hard to pronounce all these things. So
apologies about that. Oh
Janice Porter: no, I love it. It's so cool. And to have your
own spaces, I love that. That's that's amazing to do your work.
So what intrigued me about your bio was the fact that you've
been the corporate route, which a lot of us in our age brackets
have. So you've been the corporate route, and that you
were an engineer, so very linear, very left brain thinking
kind of person. So you did you experience burnout? What was it
that made you turn from the corporate world and decide I
want to be a coach. I am curious about that, so I'd love
Candy Motzek: yeah and so yes, former engineer and corporate
exec and burnout was like, I had a really big burnout one time.
But prior to that, I probably had three or four or five mini
burnouts. So like, burnout is kind of like a way of life, and
I'm recovering from that as well. It wasn't specifically the
burnout that made me change, but I always knew that I was better
suited to the people conversation, the coaching, that
kind of thing. And I used to actually do it in every role
that I had. I kind of did it, but I didn't have the training.
Then when things really, you know, got nasty with burnout and
that whole recovery process, I started to really look and go,
Okay, what's really going on here is, you know, like, what do
I really want? And as a woman, middle aged, I found that that
was kind of a hard question. Like, you know, you're an
overachiever, you're doing all the things, checking all the
boxes. And then when I thought, oh my gosh, what do I want? I
had no idea. And then through time, I figured out that
coaching was a really great place for me. So burnout was
definitely part of the journey. But more than anything, it was
like going back to, you know, who I feel, how I felt that I
wanted to live my life the kinds of things that I like to do.
Yeah,
Janice Porter: so it was a process. It took time. And it's
funny, because I left corporate in the early 2000s for two
different reasons. One, I was being squeezed out because I was
a trainer, but I was a contract trainer, and I wanted it that
way because I had a little baby at home, but, well, she wasn't a
little baby by the time I got squeezed out she was but what
was I going to say? But I didn't know what I wanted to do. I knew
the writing was on the wall, and I knew I didn't want to be in a
job, job, which is why I'd been a contractor for so many years,
that I had some control over what I was doing, and I loved
what I was doing because I was training. And that's what I love
to do, is teach and train, and that's what I've always done,
whether I was a teacher and a school teacher, which I was or
whether I was doing corporate training, I was always teaching.
So when I had to figure out who I was going forward, I actually
looked into coaching. And at that time, coaching was a very
new thing, and it cost 1000s and 1000s and 1000s of dollars to
get into it. Still. Last month a lot of money, but it was way
more expensive back then, and I didn't have that kind of money
to make that transition. But I also discovered that I don't
think I was a coach, because I'm a teacher and they're different.
Yeah, do you see super different?
Candy Motzek: Yeah, very different, yeah. And for me, the
main difference between teaching and coaching is the teacher
knows something that the student doesn't know, and you hopefully
give them the most efficient, most effective way of helping
them learn that thing, whereas the coach assumes that the human
on the other side of the call knows enough about their life.
And so the questions are evocative, you know, like, what?
What question do you need to change your own perspective and
look at your own life differently? And so there's a
lot of similarities, but the real difference is in the I know
something a teacher, I know something that you don't know,
and I can help you. Whereas the coach says, you know something
and you don't know and you can figure this out, and I'm here
with you.
Janice Porter: That's, that's the best description I've heard
in a long time of the two different things, and it makes
so much sense, absolutely and and also, what else I've noticed
in the times that I've spent talking to you recently is you
have the best demeanor for a coach. You're so calm and so
level, not,
Candy Motzek: yeah, thank you. Gosh, that's a I really
appreciate the compliment, and it's funny because on I'm a, I
don't know how to describe it. I'm used to being calm, you
know, like old corporate land, when things get really crazy,
the leader needs to, like, take a breath, yeah, catch your
breath. Don't jump, don't react, respond, support your team. And
I think I learned that. And so that's a lot of my calm
demeanor. I am a relatively calm person, but I don't always feel
calm inside. And I think that that's really important, that we
know that even though somebody's outside looks calm and together,
it has nothing to do with what's going on on the inside of them,
right? So
Janice Porter: that's an interesting theory there.
Because what if you know you're playing it out with your job or
with just life, or with your relationships that you're in,
and you're giving that the other people around you, the
appearance of your you got it all together, and it's calm, and
you're calm. It's funny, because I'm thinking about this, this
show I'm watching, which is called the bear, I don't know,
yeah, and it's about a chef and the whole all the people and the
restaurant and everything. And they're all like, tight, tight
as a drum, because there's so much stress, and, you know, and
yet, some of them are gliding that surface of the calmness,
and so when you're you're giving that person, giving off that
persona, and you're dying inside, or you're so wound up
inside that can't be good, right? No,
Candy Motzek: it's not. And I think that there's a there's a
difference in it. It might be like, there's sort of three
scenarios. One is that you are feeling calm and the outside
matches the inside. And then other times, maybe you're not
feeling calm inside, but you can you have enough emotional
regulation to take a breath and say, Okay, well, I'm feeling
these feelings inside, but that doesn't mean that I need to make
them have an impact. It's not the best way for us to solve
this problem or to come together or have that conversation. And
then there's other times when you're not feeling calm on the
outside, and you're just like, that's it. I'm not doing this.
And you go postal, essentially, right? Yeah, the place that it's
great for us to be aware is just because we're feeling it doesn't
mean we need to express it, but that doesn't mean that we're not
acknowledging that's how we feel, you know? So when just
back to thinking about burnout, one of the things that I really
noticed about burnout is that I was numb. So not only did I look
calm, but I was like, flat, right? And there is a real
difference between that. So if you're numb, okay, now you're
out of touch, but if you're aware, oh, I'm feeling nervous.
You know, like my butterflies always go before a podcast
interview. I might be feeling nervous, but I can take a deep
breath, and I can look at you on the other side of the screen and
know we're going to have a conversation. So yeah,
Janice Porter: so let's talk about your clients for a minute,
because you coach people who are they might be new coaches and.
Um, who have come from the same kind of situation as you have
some, you know, similar in that they've had Burnet, they've left
corporate, or they're thinking about leaving corporate, and
they might be doing something on the side, and I might just add
in here, and you jump in as when you hear, when you want to hear,
is that there's a lot of people today calling themselves
coaches, and they're not necessarily coaches, like
certified coaches, and I know I'm thinking of someone that is
that came from corporate, and she just, she's just rolled into
being a coach. She's certified, and she did everything while she
was still at the company, and now she's just rocking and
rolling it on her own. And in fact, she might be good person
for your podcast. I just thought about that, and but there's a
lot of people out there. They don't know what to do. They
don't know where to start, and that's where you come in. Do
they find you? Or do you find them? First of all, most
Candy Motzek: of the time, they find me. And so just back to
this, people who decide to be a coach, but maybe don't
necessarily take training. So we already talked a little bit
about the difference between the trainer and the coach. And then
there's sort of two other roles that I think kind of come into
play here, the one of mentor, you know? So, right? Mentor is a
little bit different. Again. It says, I've been there and I can
guide you. And then consultant. Consultant says, Give me all
your stuff. I'll create a solution and hand you the
solution. So there is a lot of people where they may not be a
trained coach, but they may be one of these other roles, and it
may be very effective, but there's no regulation in the
industry right now, right?
Janice Porter: But wait a second, don't call me a co don't
call yourself a coach. If that's not what you are, that's what,
Candy Motzek: yeah, you know what? I used to get myself
really wound up about that too, but I realized that I can't
control what anybody else calls themselves, and if they want to
call themselves cells, chocolate milk or a puppy, I mean, so be
it, right? But there is no regulation. So the people that I
work with, we've taken training, we've practiced, we've had
oversight. We know coaching skills, which is very different,
and we call ourselves coaches. Other people in the world are
going to call themselves a coach. Eventually, at some point
in time, there will be some kind of regulation, and at that
point, well, then, then things will have to change. Sorry, but
then you had another question for me. I just wanted to dive in
on that, because I think it's really important for people to
know that is some Yeah, some coaches are not coaches, yeah.
And so if you're looking at engaging a coach to help with
anything, you might want to see if they've actually got coach
training in addition to their life training and their life
skills,
Janice Porter: right? And I think that, you know, I have,
I've always said that, you know, I can mentor people. I've got
the Wisdom, I've got the experience, I've been through it
all. So now let me help you, but it's not I would never be a
coach. I would never call myself a coach, because I'm not a
coach. But yeah, so the second piece we I was talking about was
you said that your clients find you. So are they in various
stages when they find you? Have they decided they want to be a
coach, or are they just still in burnout mode? Yeah,
Candy Motzek: so some of them are in thinking mode where
they're like, Ah, this coaching thing sounds interesting. They
find me in that stage. They find me in I've decided this is
something that I'd like to do, and I'm in the middle of
training. I talk to people then and then also others who are
finished their training and have made a start, and they're just
like, Well, I really want to do this, but it's not as easy as I
thought, and I've got some challenges, and I need some
help. So sort of three different ways that people kind of
conditions that they come to me in and they find me through all
different ways. They find me on LinkedIn, they find me on my
podcast. They find me on interviews, on other people's
shows. I've got a book that I wrote. You know, all these
different ways. The thing that's important is I try to be myself.
And, you know, there's people who will find me and I am just
not their flavor. That's fine. And there's people who find me
and they're like, Oh, I could talk to her. I love that, don't
you? Right? I
Janice Porter: love that, yeah, because enough out there for all
of us. We just have to number one, you know, if you're, for
example, using LinkedIn, because I have to put this plug in here,
because you just gave me that opening, is that if your
LinkedIn speaks to who you are and who your audience is, they
will attract the right people, and then it usually works. But
if there's no, you know, there's nothing to hook me into that
might be my person. Quite often it isn't. So, you know, it's
kind of fun to to to explore that and and. Find the right
people. So what would you say is your ideal client Like, who do
you love to work with the most? Which stage are they at?
Candy Motzek: Yeah, so the people that I love to work with
the most are the ones that are in the middle of their personal
development before they become a coach. So they are people who
are successful, hard workers, ambitious, and they know
something's not quite right in their life. And so they're doing
that personal exploration. I love working with those people
to begin with, and then many of them go, Oh yes, I want, now
that I've experienced coaching, I want to be able to do that
also
Janice Porter: and and usually I would expect, but I'm not going
to assume, but I would expect that they're coming from the the
idea that they, like I said, they've got the Wisdom in the
field they were In, or how to how to be a good leader, and
they just were in the wrong environment, or the corporate
thing just gets to be too much after a while, or whatever,
right?
Candy Motzek: Yeah, definitely,
Janice Porter: especially today, yeah.
Candy Motzek: I really feel for the people in corporate. I think
that you can have a great career, but I'm not sure that
it's a lifetime career anymore. That's just my opinion.
Janice Porter: I well it, yeah, it isn't, I don't think, but
depends. I don't want to get into it, but I see people being
poor leaders that are leading my people, like my daughter, who
need strong leaders to teach them and guide them moving
forward. And instead, she hates her job and she hates her boss,
you know. So it's just and yet you can't leave. You're making
good money and, you know, you're anyway. So it's very frustrating
to say what
Candy Motzek: you're saying. I mean, that's not, it's not an
isolated incident. There's 1000s, hundreds of 1000s of
people in that, in that scenario, and it's tough,
Janice Porter: yeah, yeah, but I guess because everybody's
struggling to survive, right? And okay, so that brings me,
actually, to
the you
help your clients get unstuck and feel more confidence and
clarity, so that you know they can see the forest for the
trees, so to speak, they can see whether they're what they can do
to better themselves in their situation or move or Get the
confidence to move to another situation. So have you gone
through, like, the actual transition with clients, where
they've left corporate while you're Yeah,
Candy Motzek: yeah, yeah, yes. And it's very for me, it's super
rewarding. Oh, I'm sure, mainly, and it's not the leaving
corporate, like some of them become coaches and stay where
they are, or shift within their company. You know, they get they
choose the right path for them, but the thing that's the most
rewarding is that they become more of who they're supposed to
be, right? And that's the part in my bio where I think coaching
is a calling, like there is a certain kind of person who wants
to have a deep conversation to help somebody else grow in their
life. And so for me, that seeing them go, you know, like they
might have originally started with me, and they're a little
bit hollow and a little bit tired and a little bit a lot of
things, and then all of a sudden, it's like they wake up
and they get their life back. That's amazing.
Janice Porter: Oh yeah, it must be you just made me think of
something too, where you said you certain kind of person that
that you know likes to get have the deeper conversations and so
on. It reminds me, actually, of sort of a joke. But it's not in
that my husband will go golfing with somebody, and he'll come
back and say, Oh, I met this really great couple from
Australia that we golfed with today. And I've heard, actually,
comedians do this joke, but this isn't a joke. This is real life.
So my husband will come home and I'll say, Oh, great. I said, you
know, where were they from? I don't know. What were they doing
here, like, you know, did they? Are they here on vacation? Or,
you know, blah, blah, blah, I'm asking a million questions.
Janice, I don't know. I was just golfing with them. You spent
four hours with them, and you have nothing to tell me, right?
Yeah, that's But me, I'm five minutes. I would have had the
whole life history of that couple
Candy Motzek: so exactly, and shown the pictures of the
grandchildren and the graduations and all of these
things, right? Yeah.
Janice Porter: So there are people like us who like to have
those conversations, and can do it in the in the you know, very
easily. Now, yours is more controlled and more systematic,
because you have a strategy when your coach. Watching somebody
me, I'm just curious, and I just want to know more. But
Candy Motzek: that's the thing, right? Like that curiosity, that
is the spark of learning, and that's the spark of connection.
Like, as soon as you're curious about somebody, they feel, they
relax, they're like, Oh, she's not judging me. She's interested
in me. There's your that's how you know, your skill at creating
relationships is amazing from that,
Janice Porter: that's what I love to do. Yeah, it's kind of
fun. So so we said we'd talk a little bit about self care, and
so let's do that in the sense of, like, where what were you
thinking? Were you thinking of the potential clients that you
have and how they should take or just in general, for women,
let's say in our age,
Candy Motzek: yeah, well, I was thinking women mainly
entrepreneurs and self care.
Janice Porter: Let's do that, because the relationship we have
with ourself is so important. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Okay, so go for it. Tell me. Tell me. Okay. Look like, yeah,
tell me. What did that mean to you when you say we should all
pay attention and, you know, take care of ourselves well. You
and I had a little conversation before we went on air about me
not taking care of my knee. And that's sort of, you know, I'm
getting there, but that's self care in itself, right,
Candy Motzek: right? And we all, we all have these things where
we don't take care of ourselves. We put ourselves second or third
or like, at the bottom of the list, we didn't even make the
list, right? So for me, the self care, it actually starts with
that question that I said earlier, like, what do I want?
Right? You know, when we allow ourselves to want to feel good
and to feel energized and full of energy and have a great life,
there's a place of those are some clues for us for self care.
Often, the things that you hear about self care they you know
when you're not in a position where you're taking care of
yourself, because life has happened and that's just the way
it is. And then you learn what to do. You go, oh, gosh, that
it's so easy. But it's not so easy when you're you know,
you've put yourself down the priority list, and you have to
climb your way out. So things like getting enough sleep,
drinking water, eating healthy, nourishing food, move your body,
get outside in nature, get some sunlight on your face, and
Janice Porter: do that enough, that's for sure, and play,
whether
Candy Motzek: that is you love to listen to music and sing
along, or you love to dance in the kitchen. And so those are
the things I love, also, creativity and as adult women,
lots of times, we've lost that place of creativity, right? So
go back to those fun things that you used to do when you were
younger. Maybe you loved to paint, maybe you loved to do
calligraphy, maybe you loved just a color. It doesn't matter
what it is, it's that. It's not work, it's not constructive,
it's play, right? That's, I think, is the biggest thing. I
don't know what's your experience with play,
Janice Porter: that I don't do enough of it and that. But my
granddaughter is teaching me in that. I've noticed that when I'm
with her, and she's five now, but when I'm with her, all else
doesn't matter, because I'm focused on what we're doing and
working with her, playing well, I say, working with her, playing
with her, but I'm often teaching, because that's what I
do. But she is definitely brought that to play. No pun
intended. More I love
Candy Motzek: that. Yeah, and there's something that you said
too, that I think is, is really important here, is you kind of
lose track of all the other things that are going on, right?
So when you're so focused and you're playing and you're being
creative and you're right present, yeah, that recharges
your batteries, right?
Janice Porter: Do you know Kristen Anderson? No, no, I
don't. Oh, she's amazing. She's all about play, and she teaches
people in the workplace to play. And she was on my podcast a
long, long time ago. I should have her come back on. Actually,
she's a lot of fun. She's local and but she works with a lot of
corporations around play, so I often see her on Facebook being
silly and doing stuff like that, you know, that I would never
find myself doing. But yeah, so she likes to have fun. And there
was something else I was going to say about that. Oh, no. What
I was going to say is I'm just going to shift the topic a
little bit sure, because I shared with you, before we came
on air, that I found an old podcast of yours about grow your
business with gratitude. Now I know that that's not what we
were totally talking about. However, I think it fits in the
sense that I. Uh, that is a having gratitude helps you be
it's a positive thing, right? Is, and I notice you have these
journals or books behind you, and I'm guessing they're
journals. And, yeah, do you? You talked about writing, and
actually three in this podcast, you talked about gratitude and
writing things down every three things every day. But what I
loved about it was that you actually explained, you know,
why we get stuck writing the same three things every day, but
we because we're not expanding on those things. And that was a
good reminder to me, I'm not very good at journaling. I've
I've something I've tried over the years but never stuck to, do
you do do you journal every day?
Candy Motzek: Yes, every single day. And these poor books that
are behind me right here, that's I go through about one a month.
I never used to journal, but it, it journaling is one word, but
it does a whole bunch of things, you know? So I either get rid of
the garbage in my head. I deal with different perspectives. I
might coach myself. I might plan something for my business. I
might remember what to be grateful for. And I love
gratitude really is a powerful it's really a powerful approach,
right? Like totally. It's in the it's in the detail that we feel
the gratitude. So, you know, like you were saying, you could
go to bed every night and say, What three things am I grateful
for? Oh, my house, my you know relationships, and you know that
it's summer, but it doesn't there's no connection, right?
There's no connection to your emotions into your life, but
when it's like my health, because I've just gotten over
the flu, and now I'm starting to feel like myself or my health,
because I made a great salad tonight, and I just feel so good
and clean. Now you've got something that hangs on to
right, and I think that's where it really matters. Yeah,
Janice Porter: that's good. And do you incorporate journal
writing with your clients? Do you encourage them to do that?
Candy Motzek: Yes, yeah, this is something that is part of the
thing I recommend everybody do. And so there's a particular
format that I recommend, but it's always starting small,
because to go from never journaling to writing and
writing and writing is just too big of a jump, right with two
minutes a day, a little bit, and all you have to do is start with
that place where you go what's on my mind right now, and you
just write about it, and that's it for two minutes. You do that
for a few days, and you start to build that habit. I've had
clients that maybe I've worked with them for a year or two
years, and in the first month, we talk about journaling, and I
tell them what to do, and then I remind them every month for a
long time. And because it takes, it takes, right? And then 18
months later, they're saying to me, you know, the best thing
that I've ever learned is this journaling habit, boy, you
should really do more of this journaling habit. And I love it
because it means that it's, they've taken it and made it
theirs, right? They've created the way that works for them. But
it just, it doesn't happen overnight. So when
Janice Porter: people journal on a daily basis, I'm curious about
this, do you go back and read what you've written, or do you
just, is it just about getting it down out of your head?
Candy Motzek: It's different. There's different ways. So
sometimes I go back like I'm working on a particular approach
right now around this is one of the books by Dr Benjamin Hardy.
10x is easier than 2x so I have this vision of my 10x self, and
it's completely impossible to achieve this thing that I have
in my imagination. But I spend every day a few minutes dreaming
and saying, let's pretend. Let's pretend that it actually
happened. And then write about that those ones, I go and I
reread. But if I've just woken up on the wrong side of the bed
and I'm feeling grumpy and all that, then I'm just going to be
like, Oh, what's bothering me right now? And I write a list of
all the things that are bothering me, those ones I don't
go back and look at, right? So it's, you know, super
Janice Porter: those in the same book. Are they? Yeah, okay,
yeah.
Candy Motzek: I'll just like, whatever is the mood of the day.
That's what, that's what I'm doing. I
Janice Porter: love journals. I love the whole idea of them, but
I can't, maybe I'll try again, because I like the idea. I just
the funny thing is, over the years, my handwriting used to be
wonderful. Now it's not.
Candy Motzek: I've heard that, as you get more intelligent,
your handwriting is so that's right, perfect. I'm
Janice Porter: taking that one with me. I love it. Okay, all
right, this has been so great. So I've got two last questions
for you. The first. One is that you may already know this, but
curiosity is one of my favorite words, and I love that whole
concept of curiosity. And this is a two part question that I
like to ask most of my guests, if I'm feeling it and I'm
feeling it today. So first part is, do you believe that
curiosity is innate or learned, and part two is, what are you
most curious about these days yourself?
Candy Motzek: So I believe that curiosity is innate, and then we
unlearn it, and then we relearn it. That's my that's my thought.
I get kind of hardened and cynical, you know, when we're
living that adult life from, say, 20 to 3540, unless we're
we've never lost that sort of gift of curiosity. Sometimes
Janice Porter: it can be, I think, lost in school. Yeah,
yeah. You know, I swear one of my daughters never had a teacher
that inspired her, Oh, her whole high school years, and I think
that made a huge difference. Now she didn't like school, but she
was a great athlete, and so that kind of kept her going. My other
daughter would argue if she got a B plus, because it wasn't an
A. So she loved learning in school, right? So I think it
depends. But yeah, that's that's fine. I mean, there's no wrong
answer. People believe what they believe. So thank you for your
your take on that. And what are you most curious about?
Candy Motzek: What am I most curious about these days? I love
that question. I'm always most curious about people and what
makes them tick, and, you know, like, how they got to be who
they are, what's going on in their life, and and there's
something about it's hard to describe. It kind of goes back
to that thing about why I love coaching is I'm always curious
about what's the thing that kind of relights that spark in their
eyes. It's, you know, like we might be talking, and then all
of a sudden, it's there. It's like, oh, there it is. They just
woke up. What was that? Yeah, super curious about that. Super
curious about people and just what, what makes them not just
happy, but fulfilled and satisfied? You know, happy is so
fleeting, but fulfilled is a big deal.
Janice Porter: I would think that you have to be a really
observant person, but also a very if this makes sense, an
observant listener, an activist, but an observant right, like,
just totally Yeah, so, and that's a real skill in itself.
Just for fun. Do you know what the anagram of listen is?
Candy Motzek: Silent,
Janice Porter: yeah. Isn't that brilliant?
Candy Motzek: Yeah. I love it. I know.
Janice Porter: I just something that comes to me once in a
while. I used to teach listening as one of the skills to in
customer service that I used to teach at our at corporate when I
was at the telephone company, and I did this day long training
for customer service people, and listening was part of it. So,
yeah, it always came from a book I read about listening, and I
never forgot it ever anyway, I digress. Last question, what's
your best piece of advice that you would like to share with my
audience about whatever you want to do with your business,
whatever
Candy Motzek: I think the best piece of advice about business
and with your audience is that it's not just okay for you to
build a business that's reflective of you and who you
really are and what you really want, but it's imperative,
because that's the business that wants to be created through you.
So so often, it's easy to sign up with a coach or a trainer who
says, do my five steps and it will work. But those five steps
are fine, but they're maybe not exactly your flavor, exactly
your value system. So take that extra bit of time and really
check inside and make sure that the thing that you're creating
really speaks to you. There's lots of people who create
businesses that are not fulfilling, so just give
yourself permission to want what you want and to create the way
that you want to make it.
Janice Porter: Yeah, that's great advice, actually, because
there's so many people out there daily selling us stuff, and we
get caught up in in something that sounds good for the minute,
and now it's so easy to buy. Yeah, we haven't thought it
through. So we need to stop and look, is it really the right fit
for us? That's amazing. Thank you. You've been an amazing
guest. You. You. Gave us some great strategies and skills, and
I got to know you a little bit better, and that's always
special for me. So thank you for being here, and thank you to my
audience again for your loyalty and for being here. And please,
if you like what you've heard, please leave a review. We'd love
to hear them. And you can find candy on her website at
Candy Motzek: step into success. Now.com is my website, and I
have a free gift for anybody. It is at Candy's free gift.com
Janice Porter: perfect, and I will put those on the show
notes. And I appreciate again you being here and again,
remember to stay connected and be remembered. You.