Wouldn't you say that Trump has really been the best thing? Even

if you say he's not the best thing for America, he's definitely been the best thing

I think he's... I used to think that Bitcoin was a total scam.

How do you think then building Bitcoin as

generational wealth for your children? Is that something that you're thinking

The generational wealth is important to obviously because

I haven't seen anything coming out of the Labor Party in Australia regarding

I always just thought that is some kind of crap that's

going to catch up with people and people are going to lose everything. Oh

I'm Matthew Fraser and this is Crypto Collective. After

making millions with Amazon and e-commerce, I realized that

if I was starting again today, crypto would be my first

choice. I'm here to help you take your first steps and

build real wealth. Ready to set yourself up for life? Let's

go! Okay, Matt. Hey, thank you so much for joining me on the

How are you doing? Thanks for inviting me. I'm doing great. Yeah, this

Of course it is. It's on the Crypto Collective podcast. It's the number one podcast. It's

taking the world by storm. Hey, listen, I want to jump into our

relationship so people who are watching this know that we actually met each other back

in Amazon days. This is when we were both doing an Amazon course.

We were selling on Amazon USA. And

as far as I was, I went on and used my profits from Amazon to

Right now I'm running a YouTube channel, but I'm

Yeah, so my niche on my YouTube channel is

AI music, but that's sort of more from

just doing a huge exploration about AI tools

and learning what AI is and trying things out and

showing people on YouTube what they are, and actually that's That's

really morphed into using AI to help figure

out different investing platforms and where to

invest my Bitcoin and when to and how to spread it

Oh, that's interesting. We'll have to come back to that later because I want to dig deep into AI

and what it's perhaps doing in your investing space.

I want to say you, because it's good for the podcast. That's

not true. You were a big bump in it, to be fair. But it's an

interesting thing because it was... I'll

just go back to my lack of knowledge for my whole life and

how it's sort of grown. And I've always tried to get smarter

on things. And I suppose back in 2017, I

had a friend of mine who was heavily investing in different crypto

at the time. And up until 2017, I always just thought

that is some kind of crap that's going to catch up with

people and people are going to lose everything. Oh, my God. But

pretty much like most investing thing,

like I had no idea about it. I'm like, I'm like you, I've read like,

rich dad, poor dad, and all those things. And, you know,

all those. And, and, you know, like, and you get

sort of parts of it, right? If you're not, if you haven't grown up and

really thought about how to do wealth generation, you get parts

of it. And I was never confident enough to think for myself

up until 2017. So a friend of mine was making money

on different crypto, and he's like a really good friend, right? He's like,

Oh, you know, you got to do this and do this and do this. And I

didn't really know anything about anything. And this is like, at

the peak of 2017 when everybody's like, everybody's making

a ton of money and he's been making money for months and watching it

grow up and he goes dude I'll send you like five dollars you

can get your your coinspot account opened up and that's how you do it

and blah blah blah and I went oh okay So I

put, I don't know, like $600 into, I

think Litecoin at the time was I put the majority of it. And

then I think two days later is in 2017, when everything just dropped out

like crazy until a couple years ago, it kind

of piped back up. So that was my intro into it. But

because it had dropped down, I was... And I was into it.

I started studying a little bit, you know, listening to Adam Hudson's things,

tuning into your thing more recently, you know, you jump from

now to 17 all the way. Now, do you talk in

2024, 2017 up, up until now? So I've been putting a little bit, I went from $600 to

maybe six months, six, five, six months ago, I

Or did you start thinking about Bitcoin? Basically, in the last, like,

couple years, I've been pushing heavily into Bitcoin. And

that's where the bulk of the investment is because in

my research, and mind you, like,

I haven't done the 8,000 hours, bajillion hours that

everybody says you need to do. Like, I do a little bit over

time and then as I do some, I go, okay, I'll put up a little

bit more and a little bit more. And for me, that's a pretty big

deal to get up to 60 grand. Like 60 grand was more

than I had in, say, like my Westpac shares or whatever. So that's,

for me at the time, up until really recently, that was a really big

And I ask you like putting that much money is lots like there's a

five figure investment, right? And how

did that work though? Because you with your wife, because you have a wife and a child. So

was there any, I guess, skepticism

from her to say, Oh, I don't know if you should be putting money into this or did you bring her

Look, Deb drags me along with a lot of journeys to be fair. Like,

God, I mean, what do we have like six hours like, this

is a lifetime of, of stuff, right? Like, like

you mentioned back in the in the Amazon days, right? Like, I'll

just go back, I always just thought I was going to be an IT support guy, up

until maybe 2015. And it's really Deb that

sort of pushed me to say, like, you got to start thinking outside of

that. And that's been a huge journey. And

one that it's it's not a straight line like

you can support your husband or your wife or whatever and

that sort of stuff but then it gets really scary and then. like

you your words are supportive but you're but

you're not but then you come back to being super supportive so deb's really one

of the people that said like you really need to start looking at bitcoin even though i was like in

bitcoin and i was doing bitcoin and she's like oh good we've

got some in at the right time and all that and excited but she's i

guess the one in the last like six months i said you really need to start looking at

bitcoin which like i said i was already looking at bitcoin but It's

scary to bring that stuff to

your partner because the word is like volatility and

it's not safe and it's a scam and that's what you hear.

But why did she then come to you though? She must have seen something that

She sees you on Instagram every single day. She sees Adam Hudson on Instagram

every single day. We both see Michael Sayre all the

time. I'll be out mowing the lawn. I'll come in and on YouTube she'll

be watching Michael Sayre. So, a lot of it is

based on stuff we see. And, like, I learned that

lesson from my buddy in 2017. Like, I gotta be smart about

something. I can't just say, that guy says something and sort of jump on

it. Like, we look at stuff, too, and we don't... Like,

a lot of the advice right now is, like, throw everything into Bitcoin. And that's

good if you have a lot of stuff to back you up if it falls, right? Because if

it falls, then you can't draw out of it. You have nothing to live off of it if it comes down

to it. You can't move it out, right? So, we are heavily invested in

Bitcoin, but... You know, we've spread it out into other things

Let me ask you about that, Matt. Because you just mentioned there that you're heavily

invested in Bitcoin. And the reason why I ask these questions is because

a lot of people are thinking the same thing. But they're going to put money in that you

just said before that you couldn't then take out if it drops. Yeah.

So is your strategy then... And what I say to

people is actually just put money in that you don't need tomorrow. Like if

you can just put money in that you think, hey, I'm not going to need this money for

the next, I even say at least four plus years.

Right. Then you can sort of park that to the side. How

The way I think about it evolves all the time, but like I'll just

tell you how much we have in Bitcoin because I don't want to

it's hovering around the 400 Australian 400 grand. is

what we have in there now. Like I was just, I mean, I don't

Absolutely, I do. I was going to get to that for sure because it's really

Yeah, we can jump on it now. Like we sold our house because we're planning on moving

from Melbourne to the Gold Coast or Northern New

South Wales depending on how things progress, yeah.

How well Matthew sells that? Which we're thinking about it anyway, but

so we had a big chunk of money and one of the reasons we did sell, first of all we wanted to

have a lifestyle change for Melbourne anyway, but the money's just

locked into a house and you're paying a mortgage on it

and like our mortgage wasn't huge to the value of the house but

it's still enough money where it's just sucking all the money out and it's not

really earning, it's not. Like people say you earn 10% on a house You

know, by the time you sell it, but not when you think about all the money you

drop an interest in and all that over time anyway. So

we got that big chunk of money and we really had to think about what we wanted to

do about it and we want to make it work. So 400 grand

which is massive, like that's a massive investment for people, right?

So just to paint a picture here, what you've actually done

is you've realized that living in Melbourne was average,

I was gonna say another word then, but not so great.

I like Melbourne, I don't hate Melbourne, but there's parts of

And so what you've done is you've sold your owner occupied home,

right? Which you had a lot of equity in, yes? You've

sold that and now the idea is to use that

money to buy it in a different location, which

We're going to rent for a few years because we want that money. We want that money locked

in in different places. We're renting now in a place that we call the

resort because it's not a resort at all. It's more like,

well, we call it that because we're going to be here for a few months before we move up north, but also

it's very similar to a very dodgy Airbnb that would have probably

three stars. Excellent. And then we're going to move up north and rent. Probably

a better place, but we don't want to take the money out and put it into a house. We

So you're taking this money, you're now going to go into renting, and

then you're going to utilize the money into other things

That's our strategy. And we're constantly revisiting the strategy as well.

We're constantly. At least once a day, I look at how

it's doing and I consider other options. Bitcoin

Yeah, because I did this exact scenario with somebody

else. And I laid it down because in

my online community, these types of issues come up,

right? It's like, hang on a second. I'm trying to break out of the

nine to five. I'm trying to build generational wealth. shoot

and a lot of people have all this equity tied up in their home and I broke down

this exact scenario where the person sold the property, they

went into renting and then put the leftover money into

Bitcoin and then sort of revisit it in like 10, 20 years and what that

would look like. I've got the compound interest calculator here, man.

I think it was like the day after you spoke to me that you basically

Just for people who are listening to this, Let's just do

the numbers. So let's say you had, we can just use rough numbers, like

a million dollars, let's say. If you had a million dollars out of your property, right?

You had this cash. Let's say if you dumped a million dollars,

and now this is now seven figures. You've gone from six figures, I've jumped up

to seven figures. But if you said

the money, let's pretend you bought Bitcoin, a million dollars worth of Bitcoin, and

it was at, Michael Saylor says 29% as a bear case scenario

OK, so let's say 20 years. That means that that

$1 million investment would grow to $162 million,

right? And this is incredible, right?

Now, let's just say that in 10 years, let me just jump that back a second.

In 10 years, you're going to say, ah, 20 years is too long. I'm going to be dead by then. In

10 years' time, it's still expected to be upwards of $13 million. at

Michael Saylor's base case. I actually think, Matt, and other people have said this

too, it's probably closer to 50% average, right? Considering that

the last five or six years has been between 50%, 60% compounding.

And even 2024, we saw 120% increase in Bitcoin. OK,

so 50% average is not even out of this realm. Considering,

especially now, Matt, all the adoption that's coming in with the nation states, the

governments, private companies, Now, for those listening at

home, $1 million at 50% compounding over

10 years would then get to $57 million in 10 years.

That is incredible. And all you had to do was do

what you're doing. It's like, you know what? We love our house, but you know what? We think

we can use the money in here better. We're going to go

and rent. Most people, Matt, would not do

what you're doing. This is such a huge gamble. How did you sell? I mean, how

does Deb feel about this, doing this together and taking this big sort

You know, it's funny, like, everybody's married and everybody has communication issues

and nothing's perfect, right? But I would say, since

we've gone on to this, and we've made the decision to do

it, we've never been so comfortable in talking about all

these things since then. It has opened up a

massive line, because it's like something that we both want to go together. I've

never been so happy

to go back and forth with financial stuff and potential. And

even you talk about worst case scenarios, it's just like, and this looks

like worst case scenario, possibly this. And if this happens,

we can do this. she like I

know like in the communities that we're in and stuff it seems like I'm a I'm

the only driver in this stuff I would say

devs like a main driver in a lot of this ways and other stuff

I am but like I

don't know it's like we both don't feel satisfied

with living like an average life. Like I didn't even realize it

until I started moving out and having little bits of

moderate success and learnings. And then she sees that

and she gets excited about what she's doing even though she doesn't necessarily

love what she's doing. She's having a better time because you

can see the long-term upswing in it and the learnings in it.

The learnings are huge. The learnings are almost like money in

itself. The way you feel about yourself, that you can start to

understand these things because you start doing deep dives and

you start pulling it apart and looking at long-term stuff.

The numbers that you're looking at, best case, I

don't even look at those. I mean, I look at those as like a sort of a dream thing.

But I go from medium to

worst case. And then I just do the sliding scale on

where I want to put the money. Like if I put it

in the easiest option, we're not going to get there.

So let's just slide it up with a little bit of risk and see what that looks

like. And then we talk about that stuff. And

she'll say, look, I think you should do more here and more there. And we'll break

it down. It's easily the best we've been.

She loves her fancy things. She's always talked in like, the car that

you have, ever since you bought it, I haven't heard her not talk about that.

She would very much like that stuff. She'd very much like that stuff. It's

badass. And we had a really nice house. And like I said, and how we live

Can I just stop you there, Matt? Because you just touched on something really interesting is

about the material possessions. You

know, I've also not had, I've

always strived for material possessions, because I just thought, you know, I wanted

those things. And I think for me it has been cars, because I do love

cars. I don't, you know, strive for a Louis

Vuitton luggage set, for example. Like that's, I wouldn't even think of that.

But I would think about cars, because I just love cars. But the

other thing too is once you get to it, then you've sort

of scratched that itch, you're like, okay, well, what's next?

So even, you know, of course, a year ago, I bought the Mercedes-AMG.

I'd wanted that car for years and

years and years. And even when I was down on my luck and I was driving Uber

around trying to make ends meet, I was always dreaming about the

Mercedes, right? One day I'm going to get the Mercedes. One day it's going to happen. And

then, of course, you eventually get to that position. And

I still like I love the car, but it becomes less important. And

I think what Bitcoin has done for me in recent times,

it's made me want more Bitcoin. So I'm now selling some

of my car collection. I'm like, I'm not even driving that other that's on

my other cars. I'm not even driving that thing who cares It's

you know, I'm gonna do I want I want more Bitcoin and you know,

I've got double-digit Bitcoin and

It's funny because no matter how much Bitcoin you get you think I

want more of it It's like Michael Saylor's got nearly half a million under

micro micro strategy. He's only half a million Bitcoin He's still

like yeah, I'm buying more Bitcoin. I'm getting more Bitcoin and Are you sort

of feeling the same and you think as you go down this path like

I need to get more Bitcoin and the material things are less important or what

We'll talk about that because that goal-setting stuff and it's more about knowing

who you are, right? I did the same thing with Rick Crowley that you did

and I thought... I didn't do Rick Crowley. I didn't do Rick. Well,

So Rick Cowley does his Find Your Purpose retreats that

I did. It was something that we were in a mutual community over at

You know what? It got me on the track to knowing that that's important.

And I'll just swing it back to what you're talking about material things like I've

always struggled with that because you get into the

wealth building mentorships and all that stuff

and you just think that that's what it all is. And I've always

fought back against that because I know that's not what it is for me. And

sometimes when I talk about how that's not it, people that are

you know, item driven, feel like I'm judging him when I'm not.

I'm trying to openly talk about how that doesn't drive

me like I know we've talked about that in the past. And I felt really bad

because I felt like I was slagging off my AMG. Yeah,

I wasn't I just I just struggled because I don't think I have a lot of people

to talk to that aren't item driven at all. And

it's only it's only that in the last couple

of years that I've really understood that I can't work for people.

It is so unsatisfying for me. And

I like once the initial stage of being employed,

and in the nervousness in the in trying to prove my point, once that's

gone, everything's gone. It's just recently, you know, you know, what

drives me, and that's not enough, knowing what you don't want to do isn't

enough. I'll tell you what drives me. It's simple. Like,

I like playing with my dog. I like when my dog drops a ball at

my feet and the excitement that she looks and

then I can throw the ball. I love in the morning, I

look forward to driving my daughter to school and putting my hand

and patting her head and telling her she's awesome. And I look

forward to picking her up at the end of the day. and I like when

we go on long drives together so we're gonna you know last time

I had such a good time up driving up to the Gold Coast she's like let's

not take a plane let's drive up there and I'm going and I'm actually getting a little bit

emotional thinking about it right like I like my Ford

Ranger I love it that's enough for me and And

the whole thing of this wealth creation thing for me personally, I'm

going to be satisfied when I can buy Deb and we

can buy an MG for Deb because she likes that stuff. It's important for

her to have a luxury car. That's important to her. When I talk about my

lack of needing material possessions, I'm not saying that other people

are bad, but it's like I try to talk through it,

right? Because it's sort of hard in that way. that I want

more of that. The wealth is going to get me the ability

to spend more time with my dog. Sorry Teddy,

So basically, you've hit something which

is right, which is like, you know, everybody's different. And,

you know, you are driven by, you would say, just

the things that are personal to you, like dropping your daughter at school and things like that.

How do you think, then, building Bitcoin as

generational wealth for your children? Is that something that you're thinking

That's the thing we talk about and we're excited about that too. Like,

the generational wealth is important, obviously,

because it's a great lifestyle and stuff too, but I didn't really

have those opportunities growing up, like, and I think most people in

our generation didn't. I think, like, my father

was a lineman, and he was in the lineman union, and

it was important to him to be treasurer, and he went to meetings, and

that type of business is the longer you work there, the

more benefits you get, and, you know, I would ask questions about

money or whatever, and he'd be like, you're too young for that, and none of your business sort

of stuff, so I didn't come up with any of that. The generational wealth

on the money part of it is great, but, like, my daughter seeing

me, be at home, and run podcasts,

and run a YouTube channel, and openly talk about the business

part of it. And me and Deb will talk about

Bitcoin and shares and stuff, and her hearing that

sort of stuff, and knowing that that stuff's important too.

The generational wealth and money part of it's great too, but the education and

knowing that that's the sort of stuff that you can talk about, because

I didn't get that. And that's why I'm 50 now, and I'm really just starting

to figure it out. I would say I've come a long way

in the last 5-10 years, especially being in the groups that we have been.

And that's important, too. Being in those groups and being around people is

Yeah. And here's the difference. I'll just slightly shift it a

little bit. It's a little bit of a pivot. For

her to see that it's the same as for me, right? Like I've

always been around people that work nine to five. So I struggle having

conversations about Bitcoin or running a YouTube channel, or

finding alternate methods of generating income.

Because straight away, you can feel the judgment that you're some

sort of loser scammer or something like that. And

Some people are like, that's a scam. Well, that's right. But all that stuff, all

that stuff sort of happens. But the groups that we sort of hang out with, you

sort of come in, like, okay, I want to talk about it.

Oh, have you tried this and you're like, oh my god, so that I mean, that's one

of the big it's more on open Yeah, it's more of an open conversation about

you know, wealth generation whether that's through Bitcoin whether

that's through doing e-commerce like like what I'm doing I still

do e-commerce as well, right? I'm still making money in e-commerce But

um, it's interesting because when you do talk to people you talk about scams now I

used to think that Bitcoin was a total scam right and it

wasn't until Geez, I think up until probably 2019. I

wasn't even thinking about that I was still trying to just like get out of the shithole that

I was in at the time and then you know I saw a lot of success through through

e-commerce and then I had all this money and I was like I'm gonna put this now into

something I've obviously started investigating more into Bitcoin when

did it did a course right got involved in the course and

that was the best thing I ever did was to get educated on Bitcoin before I even started putting

money in and more about how to protect your wealth. Now,

one thing that I've gone down this path is the more Bitcoin I

buy, the more invested I become, and the more I want to,

I mentioned before, the more Bitcoin I want to buy, one of the things that I've

done, which I thought was a complete, something that was not on the

cards a few years ago, and this is going to be very controversial for

people, they're going to be thinking, oh my God, I can't believe he's done this, is I've

moved every single cent of my superannuation

over into Bitcoin. right, under a self-managed super

fund. And even as I'm paying, because I pay myself a

salary as well, so I've got to pay myself superannuation, so all that additional super

that's coming in every month, I'm then putting that back into more Bitcoin, back into

more Bitcoin, and just growing and growing. And so this

is controversial stuff, particularly in Australia, because I know

you're, just so everyone knows, Matt's, we mentioned before in Melbourne, he's

from America, but you know that in Australia, this is

major stuff, right? People are just so, Focused on

superannuation right and they wouldn't touch it, right? How

do you feel have you gotten to that point yet where you're thinking? Hey, maybe

we've got this with the other bag of money sitting over here.

Yeah, we've thought about it and we've talked about it and I've talked to

my accountant about you know, how to start a superannuation fund

We would consider it for sure. And maybe not even all of it. Maybe

the majority of it or something. I'm not sure. I don't

think at this stage we dump our entire superannuation

into Bitcoin. It's something we talk about. But how

do I feel about it? I wouldn't judge anybody for doing it. I'd be like, oh, that's a

That's your strategy, whatever your situation is that

allows for that. If you think it's a smart, I would assume that they've

done their research on it and they've looked at how that would

Well, the argument, Matt, is that you and Deb have now sold a

house and put six figures, multiple six figures into

Bitcoin, right? So if you're that invested, right

would it then just make sense and this is not a sales pitch to you right but i'm

just i'm just getting you thinking would you now think well now

i'm going to move this other money into the best performing asset as

well because it comes down to i think conviction

for a lot of people right look our conviction we feel pretty comfortable with the

with the bitcoin that we have at the moment i think we probably put

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us today. Now back to the episode. How about this? In the

private group that I have, which I know you're in there as

well, I did a video, right, because this now has just come

up to one year since I moved my super over

to Bitcoin. And so I wanted to look back and compare if

I'd left my money in my industry super fund, which

was rest, compared to what I've actually seen. Right.

And I can tell you that under rest, the average was about. 10% thereabouts,

right? 10% return over 2024. In

Bitcoin, I saw a 50% return, a

50% increase on my money. So just looking at those

two things, for me, that was the best decision. Just

looking purely at those two metrics, right? Comparing what

it would have done if I'd left it in the rest super compared to

what I actually did was putting it into Bitcoin. And even

if i mean the way it's headed that that because

i can't touch it that's the beautiful thing i think the reason why people do

consider putting their money from super into bitcoin is because they

can't touch it anyway so for example i say to people or

people might say look i don't want to put money into bitcoin i can't afford it But

if you said, oh, you can put some of it, all of it, or

part of your super into Bitcoin, they're like, oh, OK, I'm going to do

that because, well, that's not out of my day-to-day cash flow, right?

You've taken money out of your home, right, sale,

right, to do that, which is great. But other people are not in that position. They

may not have a house, or they may not have a house with equity, or they may

not want to sell their house. to put that into Bitcoin, but

they're happy to put the superannuation to Bitcoin. It's like one

And everybody's situation is different. Like there's a bit of an urgency

now because I just turned 50, right? And it depends on what the life goals are

and how much you want. Like if you've got a bit of money in

superannuation and you want to have a villa, wherever

the most beautiful part of the Italy is or whatever and

you've got a bit of you'd have to do especially if you're young you

guys suppose you could take the chance on or whatever and sort of break

it if you have to but I mean if your life goals are

that you need to have all this money to get what you want then you would definitely have to take

that chance with your bit with your with your super especially seeing

like like they're constantly saying You're saying,

and Adam's saying, and Saylor's saying, about over four years, you never lose,

right? So- Well, that's- It's not financial

advice. Historically, everybody's winning

Well, historically, what we've seen is that if you've held Bitcoin for

at least four years, no matter where you are in

the journey, you will not be in the red. You'll be

in positive territory, despite the ups and downs.

And the things that you actually mentioned before about a lot of people saying Bitcoin's

volatile. And unfortunately, when people think volatile, they

think downside. But volatile is also upside. So

when Trump, for example, was elected in November, there

was volatility in the market to the upside. And

I think the stats are too, Matt, that there's something like three or four days

of the year where the Bitcoin price spikes. You know

what I mean? So the point is then you've got to be in the market for the

whole year to then see those spike periods in

a bull market anyway, rather than the downside. Now, I just

touched on Trump. And I know that

we have some differing views on Trump. But wouldn't

you say, though, that Trump has really been the best

thing? Even if you say he's not the best thing for America, he's definitely been

Well, that spike that you're talking about on election day,

I always think like, well, that's a mental thing because he didn't actually

do anything. So that spike could happen if people just decided it

under Biden. Right. And it really is sort

of leveled out since then. It hasn't really it's

had some as far as like the the Australian dollar,

because I go by Australian dollars. I don't even look at U.S. dollar value, but

hundred and forty nine hundred and fifty hundred and seventy and

up and down since then yeah i mean it's been in a consolidation phase

it's moving sideways but let me let me just push you on these points

though i mean he's been the first president to go to a crypto event

where he spoke openly about bringing in a strategic bitcoin

reserve he's now actually He's now in

government. He's now, funny enough, as the day of recording this, he's been in for 30 days

or so. And he's implemented the crypto czar under

David Sachs. He's repealed the Saab 121, which

basically now allows banks to custody Bitcoin properly, and

many other things that he's done, right? Even proving this point, Matt. Other

states now, right? States in the US. There's 32 states

right now who are all indicating, putting in process some

sort of legislation. so that they can now hold a Bitcoin

or a strategic Bitcoin reserve from a state level to try and

Yeah, like, look, I'll say in

relation to that, right? I'm hopeful. Like, I

agree that he says lots of things, right? And if the

people decide it's a bad thing, it's like, that's just rhetoric. If it ends

The things he said, no, I'm hopeful. One of the reasons

I've been happy to push money into

Bitcoin is because he's putting things in place for

Bitcoin to go up, right? And the stuff that he's saying, and exactly right,

the policies and all that. I don't like the guy at all, but

I think he's, to agree with your overall point, I

believe that he's possibly good for Bitcoin. And

it's a big risk that we're putting the house, you know,

or at least a good portion of the house into the policies he's putting forward for

So I hope it I hope it is we're not putting all the

But the thing to think about with Bitcoin is Trump doesn't control

Bitcoin, right? He's been good for Bitcoin as far as the policies

that he's put forward and adopting. Right. But there was countries even

before him that El Salvador, for an

Well, even the US is that they deregulated a lot of the stuff and

people can invest it. What you're saying is policies around the world

Yeah. And Trump spearheading it now in a much more positive

That's what I'm going to say. Prove me wrong. Like I said, I don't like the guy, but

you can't deny the fact that at least what he's saying and what he's proposing is

good for Bitcoin. And if it wasn't, I wouldn't be sinking

a good portion of the house into it. And I agree with you. The

Look, I'm honest about stuff. I want you to be honest. I

want you to be honest. Yeah, I'm honest about stuff. I don't like the guy. I

think he's not good for the world, personally, but

That's fantastic, because I see it in a completely opposite point of view. Like,

I think he's good for the world. I think, you know, having even

the things he's trying to do now, stopping the wars, returning hostages out

of Gaza, that's all because of him. And Biden was sitting on the sidelines

and did basically fuck all during that whole period. That's just two

Yes and I hope to come on your podcast and you can look tell me

I generally try not to think or talk about it because I have no control and it just

Okay well let me move over to this point though. I think that

a lot of the thing what you've seen now is a lot of the Trump initiatives and

policies are now spreading throughout the world and I think to

a degree Australia and I hope that we

can see some more economic initiatives in

the sense of Bitcoin, right? I haven't seen anything coming out of the Labor Party in

Australia regarding anything to do with Bitcoin. I do have some contacts

in politics. I asked them, I said, hey, is anything happening? They're like, nope, there's

nothing happening. So, I think that's poor because

I think Australian policy, a lot of times, they see where the dust is

going to settle, and then they sort of jump on it at that point with

those sort of things. Definitely in the niche that I'm

in has a lot to do with copyright law around music and

AI, and the whole world, and

Australia was specifically asked around that, and

they said, we're just, we're happy with where things are now,

which is basically means we're going to see how it goes in the rest of the world. And I

think that's probably the same. Why take a

Yeah, sure. You just mentioned AI, and I just want to, we're coming

to an end of the conversation. But AI, that's part

of your specialty. What do you think

is going to be happening in the future when it comes to AI and

Man, it definitely makes it easier to, like for

right now, I can tell you, it makes it easier to do research on

it. And I don't just go ahead and ask AI, hey, JackGPT,

should I invest in Bitcoin? Right? Like, I'll...

Yes, you should. Yeah, that's what JackGPT says. Now,

like what I'll do is I'll do things like I'll take transcripts from your podcast,

which you can pull a transcript out pretty easily. If not, you can

go to a place called Descript, take the video, drop

it in. You can go to all kinds of websites, financial reports, you

can take what Michael Sayers says. take all that information and

drop it into chat GPT and then just ask very specific

questions. Don't say like, what do you think about this? Right. Like I'll

say in this scenario, based on all the information I

just gave you, uh, what's a likely outcome. Okay.

What's the worst case. How much of this is what I have to invest historically.

And it can look at light information too. I can feed all that information

into something called notebook LM. And I can

say, give me a podcast on all these 10 bits of

information and sources. Make a podcast so I

can listen to two people talking about it. And AI

will literally have two voices. It'll sound like two humans talking

based on the information that you gave us. And it'll just talk about Bitcoin. And

then you can take an entire ChatGPT conversation you had,

Wow. So why am I even sitting here talking to you? We could just be plugging this

into an AI machine and it spits out the Matt and Matt show.

We've been outsourced already. But one of the things I

saw the other day was it was actually on Instagram. And this

person was showing the charts, right? And

there was some AI tool that was then sort of embedded into

the charts of the price movement. telling them,

or maybe it was doing the bidding itself of

where to buy, when not to buy, when to sell, etc. And this was all done

through this like AI app, right? So

you didn't just take the human element out of it. Maybe that's

As much as I'm a huge fan of AI, like, I

personally, like, I still want to talk to me. I still want to talk to you. I get

excited when I get a phone call from you. I don't get excited when I

get a call from Chat GPT, you know. I'm excited about

the learnings I get. I'll just say, like, the

benefit of AI and Chat GPT is you can learn

stuff in the language that you understand stuff. Like,

I'll take candlestick charts. I've never really understood them.

And I'll say like, are these classic buy signs and sell signs of

whatever? Then I'll say explain to me why I don't understand it.

And I'll say why I don't understand it. You want to see someone get a

human being that understands how frustrating they can get if you're basically

asking what they think are stupid questions. Chat GPT doesn't judge me.

Unless I it might be because I've trained to be a little bit sarcastic. But

you know, then then I can be excited. I come to you and I can I can have

good conversations about that stuff. You can talk to me about AI and

how smart you are, because I wouldn't... I'll talk to you about baseball and ice hockey and

Yeah, awesome. Hey, listen, one last thing is where can

Well, I've got a YouTube channel, so you can look at me. Well, go

to my website at aidiy.tech. I'll be padding that

out a bit more over the next couple of weeks and I'm going to have a It's

it just talks about the jobs I've done

in the in the work, but I've always everyone wants to say that no one does or

everybody does Everybody assumes LinkedIn, but I

have I lost you there. Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna have a proper bio up there I

had a meeting about it yesterday with my assistant like we're gonna I'm gonna have a proper bio up there. Yeah, I'm gonna have a proper bio up

there Pat out the about section in my website. But

those are the projects I'm involved in right now is the AI music space

Yeah, that's awesome. Well, thank you so much. I'm going to leave in the description, I'll

leave some links if people want to check out what Matt's doing, particularly maybe he's like

some superstar in the music industry, and we don't even know it yet. But Further than

that, though, I just want to thank you so much for coming on the show and

also just revealing a lot about your life and what you're

doing in the space. I think it's actually quite inspirational, I think, for

a lot of people, because there's going to be a lot of people out there, Matt, who they

also want to create generational wealth. Maybe they've got a lot of equity

in their home, like you do, and they do have an option of selling. But doing that

is a big, big step. So I want to thank you so much for sharing that

information. I'm looking forward to you moving up to the

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