Terra Martin, welcome to the QVC podcast. This is

going to be fun.

Happy to see you, Meredith.

Okay, so I want to start with your origin story,

because you studied music and you were on the

path to. Towards music composition and being a

professional musician, and then you moved over

into psychology and hypnosis. So tell me about

that transition and, like, what. What, if any,

overlap there is in those areas?

Okay. Well, I started in music, and I intended to

spend my life composing on the piano and perhaps

getting hired by the Toronto Symphony Orchestra

and then living on peanut butter and crackers the

rest of my life. And a professor said, you have a

passion for music. You love it, and do you want

to hate your passion when it doesn't provide you

a living? Then I thought about it, and I said,

no, you're right. So then I moved to taking

courses in psychology, hypnotherapy, cbt, and was

going to choose that because to me, when I first

heard those things and I listened to people

speak, I go, I can do this. It's like music. It's

like I can hear the rise and fall of their voices

as they say certain words and certain sentences.

And I do this all the time when I'm listening to

music or composing. So it's an easy. It's an

easy. I don't really have to get used to it. I

have to sharpen my ear in a slightly different

way. So I did that, and then I came back to

music, and now I own about six instruments. I

haven't met an instrument I don't like, so I have

to be careful when I go on ebay.

That's amazing. So your life is filled with music

and in the traditional sense, but also you see

your patients through the lens of a trained

musician's ear.

Correct.

So you were saying, like, you hear in their

voices when they speak.

Well, for example, if they come into the office

and one lady came in and she stood at the door

and she said, I'm not upset. And I heard right

away it was grief, because I could hear. There's

physical words you speak, but then there's an

intonation. That's the music. And I heard that

she had grief. And I said, it's okay. You can

cry. And then she burst into tears and came and

did a session. Right. But I could hear. It was my

ear that told me what it was.

So your. Your ear that's been trained musically,

picks up emotions as though they're music under

inside of the cadence of someone's speaking voice.

Exactly, exactly. And over the years, yes, it

became more honed because more clients, more

time. Of course, you get really good at it. And

even when I'm out socializing, I can. Without

wanting to. You pick it up. You don't. It's not.

I'm trying to work or anything, but it just

became so overused that it's automatic.

Right. That's so interesting. I mean, what an

incredible tool to have in your toolbox. As

someone who sees clients or patients, how do you

refer to them? Clients or patients?

I call them clients.

Clients. Okay. Who sees clients? And it's part of

your job to understand where they are

emotionally. You can just hear it.

I can hear it. And it's. It saves some money

because the quicker I pick it up, the quicker

they can go through a. Reckon, you know,

recognize it. And, you know, truthfully,

therapists don't change people. People change

themselves. That's the truth. You know, I'm. I'm

a. I'm a mirror. I'm a facilitator. I'm not the

changer. They are.

Yes, I completely agree with that. One of my

coaching members used to say, you know, you can

coach anybody on anything as long as they're

coachable.

That's right.

Like, if they're not coachable, don't sign the

contract.

That's right.

So I love. I love this idea of. Of hearing the

emotions as music are there certain. Because I

know that, you know, a lot of us, sometimes you

can tell when somebody is using words to say one

thing, but the body language or the energy, or

you can just tell, you feel that cognitive

dissonance, that it's not. It's not lined up with

how they're really feeling. So they'll say like,

oh, I'm fine, or, oh, no, that's no problem, or.

Or even just telling a story as though it's no

big deal. But you can feel like a gap between

what's being said. And so you pick that up. Well,

in many different ways.

It takes about a paragraph because people have

learned to hone their intonation like, you know,

how are you? Nice weather. We all have a nice

package of sound bite for that. But going on with

a paragraph or two, we go back, we default to our

natural intonation. And as soon as that happens,

then there's a whole wealth of information. If

you're listening to people not only for context,

but the rise and fall of their voice, there's a

whole wealth of information of, you know, if

someone says, I really like my mother, well,

guess what, there's two messages there. Verbally

yes. Sentence wise, they like their mother. But

intonation, there's something, Something there.

There's some information there that can be

unpacked.

So have you noticed that there are different

intonations for different types of emotions?

Yes, a lot. There's a generalization, there's a.

There's a global intonation for anger, fear,

guilt, doubt. But then there's mixes, because

nobody's pure anger, nobody's pure doubt,

nobody's pure love. So when it gets mixes, that's

where it gets really interesting because it's

like a different piece of music. It's

combinations of sound and. And feel. It's a sound

feel.

Right, so like the. A feel in your body as you're

hearing them speak.

Yes, but it's also a feel of if they're saying

something that's all of a sudden they speak very

slowly out of the blue, or they speak very fast.

The intonation is squeezed. So it's like they're

playing at one end of the piano versus the other

end of the piano. They're trying to slow down

something which is an emotion of some sort of. Or

they're trying to speed it up to get past it.

Because there's memories happening while they're

speaking.

Oh, that's so interesting. And it's funny as

you're describing it, I'm like, oh, it sounds

like a music teacher or a voice teacher when

you're having the singer find the emotion in the

song. But that's just what we're naturally doing

as we speak all the time.

Yes, we do. Yeah, it's a natural thing we do. But

we never kind of scientifically observe it. We

never observe it and say, wow, I'm doing this. I

mean, even with myself, I know there's certain

people that my intonation changes right away and

I go, oh, pay attention. Like you're telling

yourself something. Or there's other people that

I don't really mind however it comes out or

however I, however I say it. Like you're one of

those people. As soon as I met you, I go, I like

her. I'm going to just say whatever, whatever

comes to mind.

Oh, great, I will. I'm happy to hear that.

Because I have to say it's a little, you know,

like when I talk to people and they're like,

yeah, I can read biofields. I can see this, I can

see that. I'm always like, I wonder what. I'm not

gonna. Not going to have myself revealed on a

podcast. But I always do wonder what they're

seeing. Well, I love that. That's one of my

favorite. I'm glad you feel that you can say

anything, because you probably can. I've heard a

lot of things over the years. Sometimes people

will say, like, they're so ashamed or nervous or

scared to say something, and they'll just tell it

to me. And I'm like, oh, wow, you were nervous to

tell me that you. Sweetie, I've heard it all.

I've heard it all. And then I'm always surprised

at how we hold ourselves back from showing up

authentically because, you know, I mean, there

are safe people and not safe people, but, yes,

true. Gosh, we're off. We're so nervous to just

say the truth sometimes, aren't we?

We are. We are, unfortunately. And that's where

people mask their intonation. They kind of

squeeze it. Like, I had one client, she's very,

very British, and her mother used to say to her

all the time, don't raise your voice. Don't raise

your voice. Don't raise your voice. Well, then

she learned to shut down her intonation and,

like, squeeze it so she would always sound

practical, logical. And she took out all the

adjectives out of her sentences, basically. So

there was no. It was almost like there was no

emotional content in her intonation. And when she

came to see me, she goes, you know, I find people

don't, you know, find me empathetic or

communicative, you know. And I said, okay. Well,

I said, I want you to pretend you're angry and

say something. And it came out in best British,

and it sounded like she was reading a newspaper.

And I go, we're going to work on that. But it was

the training of her mother saying, don't raise

your voice. So what she did internally was not

raise her intonation and not let it flow with her

content or sentences. So it's like she didn't

have any of her emotions showing through, shining

and showing through in her words to making them,

you know, human.

Wow, that's so true. And you do. There are those

people where it's like almost a monotone, right?

And that's their guarding what they feel. So it

doesn't shine and shine through their words. But

then you don't know. You don't touch the person.

You don't touch who they are, their genuine self,

because somebody or something at an event has

occurred that they felt they have to kind of sit

on their intonation.

Because then there are people where it's like

they sound almost hysterical at the drop of a hat.

That's the people the other end, because they

don't want to believe that they're so logical,

practical, and sometimes not compassionate. So

they exaggerate it the other way. Like all

extremes, you know, absolutes. There's nothing,

you know, any absolute. There's something missing

in the piece. There's something missing in the

puzzle piece, right?

Yeah. There are no absolutes.

No. Especially in quantum.

Yes. Okay. So, I mean, this is so interesting. We

could talk the whole time about the voices. So

tell me a little bit more about how you work. So

your first clue with a client is auditory and

then what unfolds?

Well, I used to have them write 25 questions, but

I don't know. You must know this. People hate

writing down questions. It takes them forever. So

then I put it down to 10, and then I said, okay,

come to my office. Write five questions on

anything. But what I'm doing in the questioning

is saying, are you ready to put yourself in a

student position? That's all it's about. I don't

care what the question is. And then I need to

know if they are a how mind, a when mind, a where

mind, or what, like, which. Which is the best way

I can teach them. If they're a how mind, I have

to give them the method. If they're when, I have

to tell them timing. And if they're where, I have

to give them locations. So I get the quickest. I

want to get the quickest way in to. So that

they're not in pain anymore. So I use how, when,

and where as the. As the template.

That is so interesting. I love that because

something that comes up a lot in my coaching is

how much information to give a client, how much

to explain to them. And a lot of people who are

drawn to study applied quantum biology love the

information, and they love sharing the

information. And their clients don't always love

to receive it, but some of them do. Like I need

to know, I need a certain amount of how in order

to be motivated to do it correct. But I haven't.

I've not heard this distinction before. So that's

super interesting. So there's a how, a when, and

a where. Could you give examples? I mean, I guess

the how's pretty obvious. You explain how it

works.

Yes. When is more people who. They want to deal

with their future. They want to clear future

hypothetical problems that haven't happened yet,

but might happen according to their logic. So

then I give them this is now. If you. If you keep

repeating the same behavior going forward, it's

going to look like this. So that would be when.

If you stop the behavior, the future can look

like this. And I kind of open it as

possibilities, different possibilities for that

type of person. And they're very much on time.

You know, they want to save time. So I'll use

that motivation for them to go. To go there and

do it. But you see, the reason I just divided

everybody's mind into the four is I kept finding

there was a pattern. People came that wanted,

method only. People came that wanted, well, where

will I be? Location only. If I change, what do I

get? That's how I divided it into the four

categories. Now it's general and some people are

crossovers, but it's a good start and it saves

quite a bit of time for them, right?

Yeah, absolutely. If you can take the most direct

route, what will be most motivating or

persuasive? So tell me a little bit more about

the.

About the where in the where. It's events that

have happened to people. The locations become the

problem. So when someone has to know where's the

exit and where is the bathroom and where is the

front door, where's the. I know that there's kind

of triggers around there. So I'll go in a

different way. I won't go right for the exit or

the doors. I'll go for the middle of the room or

something and say, what. Tell me about the middle

of the room, what was there? And then I'll work

my way out. So that gives me kind of a clue and a

direction to work with them. If they've had, you

know, different traumas or different. Just events

that have happened that have caused them stress.

Okay.

So the where gives me that. So it's just

isolating very quickly. Isolating. Kind of

instead of the big wide picture, I'm narrowing

it, narrowing it, narrowing. And I work in that

area over an hour or two. I'm trying to get the

most for their hour or two.

Right, right. So they. They fill out the

questionnaire and then they come to you. So. And

you go from there using that sort of as a bit of

a blueprint or guiding post.

And if they do. Yeah, if they do 25 questions,

then I count the hows, I count the where's, I

count the whens that are in it. And if there

isn't any, we have a very. We have the type of

person who's very general. So I know it could be

a long haul unless I get them into using how,

when, and where. So I'll give them that lesson

for, for one week and then start. Right.

Okay. Yeah. That's so cool because I'm listening.

I'm like, I'm a how and a where and a when. But

the where, I'm like, I don't even know what

you're talking about. It doesn't make no sense to

me. What do you mean, the exit?

I think you're pretty open to the world, so where

wouldn't matter to you. It's all good.

Yes, well, it means a lot to hear you say that

because it was not always the case. All right,

so. Okay, I just want to go a little big picture

for a minute. So you studied hypnosis,

psychology, emdr, which is the rapid eye

movement. Was it cbt? Cognitive behavioral

therapy. And you've been doing this for decades?

Over two decades.

Over two decades, yes.

Okay, so tell me, like big picture, what your

impression of trauma is. Like, what, what is it

and where. I kind of want to go because this has

been coming up a lot. I talked about it with

Eileen McKusick is we seem to have, as a culture,

moved into an understanding of the deep, deep

implications of trauma on a person and a person's

behavior. But we seem to be a bit stuck there and

feel like it's like, oh, your child got

traumatized. They're ruined for life, right?

Like, that's the, that's the mom fear. And so in

my, but my experience personally and in many,

many people over, that I've seen over the years

in different situations has been that trauma is

resolvable. So that's kind of where I want to go.

But I want to start with how do you see trauma?

Like, how do you explain it to people?

Basically, it's an event that happens, say when

someone was younger. Could be five years ago, 10

years ago. Say it happened when someone was 10.

The subconscious does not let go and give the

information to the conscious, doesn't feed it

forward, because it wants to protect your logical

mind so that you can go about your day to day

activity. So it withholds the information and it

doesn't pass that information forward. So it

keeps repeating the trauma. So it becomes like

you're on a train or you're like a mouse running

around that little treadmill thing. And that

trauma is continually playing in the back of your

head, in sight, sound and motion and on the, on

the neurons and electrons and cells, it keeps

replaying. But you can perform your daily tasks

because you haven't been given the information to

your external. So it doesn't limit you, but

actually it does limit you. So our subconscious

mind thinks that it's protecting us, but actually

makes a bit of a mess.

Right. So we have these traumas, these little

treadmills, running memories.

Yeah.

Running in the background, so to speak.

Right.

And that is, for lack of a better word, the

energy of that is running through our bodies and

our fields and our.

Basically, what it's doing is triggering fight or

flight response all the time.

Okay.

Even if we're not aware of it. And it's also our

mirror neurons, what they're doing is they're

copying it. They're saying, oh, we got to keep

this. This is important information. We haven't

processed it. So you keep feeding, like, whatever

you feed your mirror neurons, the more they copy

it, they can copy anything.

So interesting.

What you feed them is what you get is basically

what I'm saying.

So the treadmill is feeding the mirror neurons

and does that. Then when we talk about creating

our reality, are we then subconsciously

recreating little versions of that? Because

that's what we know. That's what we resonate with.

Well, then what we do is we take pieces of those.

Of that detail. It could be a room, it could be a

day, it could be a season, and that will be

repeated. And when that season comes up again,

the trauma will activate stronger because it's

going. It's happening again. It's now. So the

past becomes like a virtual reality of now. And

that replays when the triggers set up in place or

line up. The mirror neurons say, oh, it's again.

We're doing this again. This is happening again.

So the same fight or flight response kicks in.

Wow. So how does. How do we know? I mean, I guess

we know. Even if we can't pinpoint a trauma, if

life is unfolding in. In an uncomfortable,

painful way on an ongoing basis, is there likely

some. Some background?

There is.

If we keep making choices and we're like, why is

this why Again.

That goes back to how well people want to get to

know themselves. Like, be educated on themselves.

Not. Not something wrong, not something right.

But they want to get educated and go, why am I

afraid when I go out the front door and I have to

touch it five times? Why don't I want to get to

the bottom of it? And I'm the expert of me.

Therefore, if I start to ask myself how, when,

where, questions, then I will perhaps remember or

find out. But people have gotten used to the

workaround. Like, when you put it away, it's

still in the closet, but you don't have to think

about it. So not thinking about it is an

instruction to the self. When someone says, I

want to know, I want to know, and you tell

yourself that you want to know. Interesting

things pop up out of the body parts and up to

your conscious.

Interesting because I had an experience once. I

was doing some kind of, you know, trauma healing

modality. And, you know, the person asked me to

think of a memory. And it was. It wasn't

something. I can't remember what it was at the

moment, but it wasn't like a horrible thing. It

was just something that happened. And I didn't

understand until we did the process that I had

attached this certain meaning to that event.

Gosh, I wish I could remember what it was. I

don't. But I was a child, and it was like one of

my parents said something to me or something

happened or I have witnessed something, and I

made an internal decision. And it wasn't an event

that I would have described that could be

described as traumatic, But I had attached, like,

a deep meaning to it. And I was living by that as

if it was a law.

Right, right. And that's the interesting thing.

It's not about the size of it, the size of the

trauma. It's the individual, unique person,

whatever is affecting them. Whenever I deal with

a trauma, I don't go, what's the big thing? I go,

what's the thing? Right. It's because to you,

something is very important. To someone else,

it's not, you know, to some people, they like

peanut butter. Some people don't. So everyone is

unique. But the fear is universal and the fight

flight is universal. But what the event is

actually not the important part. What the

important part is bringing that to your conscious

and then processing it. Because your logical mind

processes, your subconscious just holds on to

things and says, well, we'll get to it another

day. So one has the ability to hold on to things,

but one has the ability to process. And when they

mix up their jobs, then things get kind of

cluttered.

Right. So that's why it would be important to

have some kind of regular practice of cleaning

this up.

Yes.

So we. Our circuit, you know, our quantum

circuits don't get overloaded.

Absolutely.

Okay.

Because you guys are dealing with the extra field

like you're dealing five senses. Plus what's

happening in the quantum, that's an extra. Like

an extra sense or something, you know, I don't

know what you'd call it. Extra awareness.

Right.

And as a coach, you have that too. You would be

very empathetic with your Your clients. And

there's a lot being transferred to you that might

be their issues that you take home without

realizing it. Right. Unless you scrub it off.

Yeah. What are some strategies that you teach

people for, like, maintenance, trauma

maintenance, or everyday stuff to, like, do this

kind of clearing that we're talking about?

Whoops, I lost you. Sorry.

Okay.

Whoops. How do I come back? Oh, gotcha there. I'm

back. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

No problem.

Yes. Actually, what I have them do before bed is

put their hands on their heart and say heart

throughout the night, let me know what I need to

know about the past. And then over the next few

days, as you're doing that, you'll go, mmm, I

remember this. Oh, I remember that. Now. You're

not looking for big events, whatever the heart

brings to you, because the heart will talk to the

head. Then it's events that just need to be

processed by thinking about them. It's not that

you have to do much, but you have to think about

them. Say, oh, I didn't think that was a big

thing, but maybe it was. Right. And it's self

discovery. Like all my clients, I have to teach

them that they're educating themselves on

themselves. There's nothing wrong. Like, because

they have a trauma, that doesn't mean there's

something wrong. It means they don't know

themselves well enough to figure out how to get

into the trauma, get out of the trauma, and

process the trauma. But that doesn't. That

doesn't make something wrong.

Right? Yeah. Like if you went on a walk through a

big muddy forest and you came back all muddy.

It's not wrong. You're just covered in mud.

You're just covered in mud.

Went for a walk.

It'll wash off.

Yes.

Yeah, exactly.

So tell me about, in your experience, the

resolution of trauma, whether it's the big stuff

or the small stuff, and how you see that works.

Basically, the resolution is if you visualize

your subconscious as a box of stuff and you dump

it in front of your senses. And then you start

looking at it, and your senses go, well, that's.

I was 10. What did I know? I was. Oh, and that

was grandfather. Oh, and that was, you know, the

picture on the wall fell off and broke. And, you

know, you put the details of the crime, so to

speak, in front of your senses. Then you can

update that you were 10 and now you're 20 or 30

or 50, whatever the age, and it changes the time

zone. So you don't go back on that past train.

You're not back on the treadmill, because you're

taking yourself from 10 to 20 to 30 by updating

the details, the physical details, the facts, the

room, the year, the summertime, winter, the

season. So it allows the information to become.

It allows the information to come forward and you

process it with your now logic of 30 as opposed

to your logic of 10. So we have different

traumas, small, medium, large, that keep us

locked in different age groups. Sometimes we're

locked in at 10, 15, 20, and these kind of locks

keep us going back to visit it. So we leave our

now and go back to the past and visit it when

there's triggers.

Right? Okay, that's so interesting because I'm

remembering a time I was a member of a committee.

We were at a meeting. There were, I don't know,

maybe eight or ten of us around a table. It was

through an organization where we'd all been

through some stuff. Everyone probably had a

certain level of trauma in their background. But

we were all just having a meeting, being grown

ups, talking about boring things like budgets or

whatever. And someone came in late and he was

really angry about a decision that had been made

at the previous meeting that he wasn't involved

in. And he came and started. He came into the

room and started shouting. And I watched all the

faces of these adults freeze and they became

children right in front of my eyes. And I was

like, oh my gosh, it's not grownups anymore.

Every single one of them. It was like a little. A

frightened little child. And I just had this

moment where I was like, oh my goodness. Right?

Because it was so many people all at the same

time, all experience like an angry authority, you

know, it was a big man and he was standing up and

we were all sitting down. It was just like that,

the entire room. I was like, oh, wow, that's how

it happens.

That's exactly, you're right. Exactly, exactly.

Yeah. And if you're watching, if you're outside

of it, you must be clearer from yelling than

somebody else. Then you can stay in your senses

and you'll observe what's going on instead of be

part of it.

Right.

That's kind of like being in your senses means

you have the ability to observe rather than react.

So if we do find ourselves right, something does

trigger someone speaks to us angrily. Like I get

triggered when people honk at me while I'm

driving. Like it's just for like a full minute

after. I'm just like out of sorts completely. So

what, how do we, how do we manage that?

The first thing I do Is I start counting

backwards from 10. I go 10, 9. And I slow my

breathing down because I want to make sure that

my emotional energy is moving slower than theirs.

And if mine's moving slower than theirs, theirs

goes over my head. Like I don't absorb it into

me. So I go 10, breathe, nine. Breathe, eight.

And so I make sure that they actually 747 over

me, energy wise. Because anger is moving at such

a high pitch on the piano that if I'm playing a

lower, slower piece, it's not going to connect.

Right, that makes sense.

Right, but you have to go, go slow now. But your

first instinct when someone yells is to go fast.

Yeah, but training yourself to go slow because

when you're dealing with emotions and emotional

energy, it's a whole different ball game. It's

like quantum.

It's.

Everything's backwards. It's like Alice through

the Looking Glass.

Right, Right. Okay. So also, one interesting

caveat, or not caveat, but bookend to that story,

is that the person who came in and yelled, he

came back at the next meeting and he was like.

And he was like, I'm sorry. Apparently I came off

really angry. Like he had no idea he was yelling.

So that tells me two things. He's not an ear

person. And he doesn't listen to his own

intonation, so he can yell because he doesn't

hear it.

Right.

You know, he doesn't hear his own anger, so he

can yell.

He has no idea the effect that he's having.

No, no. He might hear other emotions that he says

and the intonation, but that's the one that he's

tone deaf on.

Interesting. That explains so much too. When you

have like disconnect between people and someone's

feeling super, like, victimized and the other

person's like, I don't understand what your

problem is. I'm not.

Well, it was interesting. I had a couple and the

wife said, he never listens to me. And the

husband said, she never talks to me, she never

looks at me. But the truth was he never looked at

her because he was an ear person. He was really

ear. So she never talked to him because she

wanted to be looked at. And then she would have

talked to him. So it was just the fights were

about who's the ear and who's the eye in the

relationship. And it was funny because that's

external communication that was creating kind of

a bit of war.

Yes. Oh, that's so funny. My husband and I

actually have that all the time. He'll be like,

on his phone And I'll be telling him something.

And if it's just something, you know, like

logistical, I don't really notice. But if I want

to tell him something.

Yes.

And he's looking at his phone like, I'll just

stop talking. And he's finally. He'll look up and

be like, what? I'm listening. Like, I need you to

look at me. I need you to look at my face while I

say this or it doesn't count. He's like, but I

can still hear you.

It's funny because we're all trained as kids to

use one sense more than another. And so say

musicians use their ears, of course. And yes,

they use their eyes, but it's not going to be

their goat.

That makes sense because he was a musician too,

in school. Okay.

You'd be trained. That's your go to that you

would trust. Or it's your familiar sense. And as,

as it's familiar, it's your default too. So we

had some training that we had to learn to use our

unfamiliar sense with people or with clients. We

had to. I would blindfold them if they were

visual. And, and I say, okay, now talk. And they

had a hard time talking because it wasn't

familiar to hear their intonation. Or if they

were not so visual, I had them cover their ears

and they had to look around the room. So it was

just to show that everybody has a preferred sense

that they're familiar with or they feel safe with.

So cool. Okay. And then so I, I want to talk

about how the hypnosis plays into this. And then

how the hypnosis brought you into like the

applied quantum biology.

It plays into it because when people are

entranced, their senses become expanded. Everyone

thinks that you go deep and you act like a

chicken and do that stuff. None of that happens.

Your senses become expanded, your skin becomes

expanded. You can hear a pin drop at the other

side of the room. And what happens is you open

the doorway between your subconscious and

conscious. So the information that's needed can

get through right to your external. So when

people are in a light trance, you know, a trance

like if you're reading a book and you're not

aware of your environment, that's a light trance.

So in that state, they can process a lot of

information from their subconscious, which

without the pain of it. But if they go really

deep in trance, they're reliving the pain. And so

that's not as useful because they've already had

the pain, they don't need to repeat it, but they

need to open the doorway for the information to

pass through. And that's how it's used. But also

they need to open the doorway to see who they are

on their external rather than who they think they

are.

So it's like opening the portal between the

conscious and the subconscious to free that

little piece of ourselves. That's on that

treadmill.

Yeah, that's on the treadmill, exactly. The

information can flow forward easier.

And what's your experience like in terms of

people getting over things?

Like, I've had lots of experiences of people. How

they get there is very different. There was one

lady who had been on Valium for years. I think 30

years she had been on Valium. And she came to the

office, and it was a new office I just rented.

And she came in and she goes, I want to clear

this. I'm fed up with being afraid. I'm fed up. I

said, okay, close your eyes. Where do you feel it

in the body? And she went into it. And all of a

sudden she let out this primeval scream, right?

And I went, oh, my God, I'm going to lose my

lease. I'm going to get kicked out of the

building. She didn't stop for 30 minutes. She did

this scream for 30 minutes. And I thought, I

don't want to stop her because I know I don't

want to cut that energy. I go, oh, I'll find

another office. Okay. And so then what happened

is when she came out of it, she goes, oh, I feel

so much better. The next day she called me. She

goes, I can't talk. And I go, I'm not surprised.

She goes, what I didn't tell you was I've been on

Valium for 30 years, and I've been pressing down

my emotions, and this felt so good. And now I

think I'm going to throw away my. My Valium,

right? And I went, okay. And she goes, do you

still have your office? And I go, yeah, so far.

But it was just, you know, that was how she chose

to deal with it.

Yeah, that's. I was going to say, so that, like,

there was no prompting on your part. You just

opened the portal and she started to scream. That

was what her body wanted to do.

Right. And that's just. It's about the body,

actually, you're right. That's a good point. It's

what the body wants to do. Hypnosis allows the

body to do what it needs to do, but it won't

always be logical, right? And it'll be like, as a

therapist, you got to go, hang on, we're going

for a ride here. And then just let it happen.

Because it's not my direction that guides it.

It's her body's direction or their bodies,

Whoever it is, the body knows the bottom line.

The body knows.

Right, Right.

Because in any trauma, wherever the body's been

touched, say if someone's been raped, the skin

has recorded every single touch that's happened.

And so it's replaying the information all the

time on the cellular level. And when you clear it

out, which is what quantum seems to do, because

that was another piece that I was missing. You

know, when they use sunlight, circadian rhythm,

then everything that I've done comes into a

greater play. And physically, they get clearer on

their cells because the sunlight helps so much to.

Really. Yeah, I mean, that makes perfect sense to

me. But I'm curious about to hear your

observations on that.

Well, my observation is once they are clear of,

say, a client of mine bombs in Lebanon, when he

grew up, he was afraid of light. He was afraid of

the dark. And once we worked on clearing light

and dark through CBT and hypnosis, then I gave

him just the simple rules of quantum that I found

in January when I was, you know, January winter

cohort. And he followed them. He didn't want to

know why or how. He just followed what I gave him

and what you guys gave me. And honestly, he

became a whole different person. It just brought

it more physical and more physical. So now he's.

He's wearing red, you know, the blue blocking

glasses. He's doing cold therapy. He's got

grounding sheets. And he is like a different

person because he's not snappy, he's not jumpy.

Even though he was clear, there was still

triggers to take him back. But the quantum

grounded him in his body. Right. And he stayed

there. He didn't go back and forth in time.

Right. Because the trauma is held in that

structured water and optimizing our circadian

rhythms and grounding.

Right, right. So he could realize where he was,

that he was clear, but he could also ground more

that he was free. Not only clear, but there's,

you know, when you're clear, it's one thing, but

you always think, am I going to go back there? Am

I going to feel that again? And this grounding

process and the sunlight and circadian rhythm

really changed that for him. It made him trust

his body and say, you got this. You're not going

to go back there. And so he became just mellow,

like in incredibly mellow. And it was within. I

was taking the course at the time, so this was

just new stuff for me. In January and over the

four, four or five weeks, he did this turnaround.

And I said, I am so in on this quantum stuff.

Oh, that's great, because. Yeah. I mean, as

you've been saying, like, it's all quantum. The

hypnosis, the emdr, the. The emotions, like, all

of it. But it's these connecting that to our

physical environment and the kind of light that

we are exposed to and the quality of darkness

that we get. Has, in your experience, shifted

your clients.

Well, it shifted them from. You know, you can

clear three quarters of the way of a trauma, but

it still has to come to the senses and has to

come to the body. And when they do reset their

circadian rhythm, that aligns everything for the

change to kick in in a very physical way. Right.

It's not just under the surface anymore. It

becomes part of their external. So their neural

pathways are no longer saying, I need to go to

the past to protect myself. They go, I need to go

to the sun to protect myself. I need to wear blue

blocking glasses to protect myself. I need to

reevaluate people that cause me stress. It

grounds them here and then they stay there. And

once they're in there now, then the past gets

weaker. Weaker. Weaker as a message and as. As a

text message or as an email. It gets dissipated

the longer they stay in the moment. Right, right.

That's really profound and makes sense because

one of, like, my personal experience, you know,

regulating my circadian rhythm, like, yes, I felt

better. I had more energy. My sleep completely

changed. But I also, yes, as you said, developed

an awareness of myself and time and space.

Right.

That I did not have before, and an awareness of

my, you know, connection to the earth and the

cosmos and the directions. You know, like, I now

am always aware where the east and the west is

because I pay attention to the sun and there.

Yeah, there has definitely been deep emotional

and spiritual shifts Right. From that practice,

which really just started out as, like, my sleep

is so crap and I'm. And I have chronic fatigue.

Right, right. It's just magic. When we go back

to, you know, it takes them back to their

authentic body, and then the body voice becomes

stronger than the voice of their trauma.

The body voice becomes stronger than the voice of

the trauma. That's good. So it's not like the

trauma disappears, but it's. It's like, oh, that.

Yeah, it's just a memory that you go. That old

thing.

Right.

Yeah, it Becomes a memory. But not now. It's not

attached to the now. And you're so involved with

your body by doing the protocols, that these

protocols take precedence. You know, like sun in

the morning takes precedence. Cold therapy takes

precedence. Grounding takes precedence. Respect

for the body takes precedence. It's the focus.

Not the past becomes the focus. The now, you

know, the miracle that the body is takes

precedence.

Wow, that's so beautiful. This is a way of

looking at it that I hadn't fully considered. Is

there anything else you want to say on that? The

sunlight and the darkness.

I did it with several people. And sometimes cold

therapy works for depression better than, you

know, there were certain applications, and I

don't know enough yet because I haven't done

enough clients with this modality. But I find for

people that are afraid of light, it's a little

bit longer process. You got to clear them of

light and then desensitize them to morning light.

So if someone's not afraid of light, I can almost

go, do this, do this, do this, do this. And the

protocol you guys have given, and they will do it

now, a lot of them don't want to know what it

means, how it means, and they just want to do it.

And I go, fair enough, just do it. Right? And

then they report back to me the changes that have

occurred and how they lose their fatigue and how

they lose. Somebody lost hives. They had hives

and they lost the hives. Some had immune disorder

and it disappeared. It kind of, you know, changed

the more light they got. And you can't explain

it. It's just, I think it's nature. It's body.

It's body talking to nature, body talking to

circadian rhythm. I think there's a whole world

there, which you call quantum, that heals the

body and brings it back to its true setting, how

it's supposed to function. But is it totally

explainable? No. Does it happen? Yes. Are there

results? Yes, the results are there. I think the

science has to catch up with it. But I believe in

the results. I don't care, you know, if there's

results, then it counts to me.

Yes. Yes. And for each person that benefits, that

that's a piece of evidence, whether it's in a

double blind study or not. It's that person has a

changed life.

But there hasn't been one client that I've given

them the information that they haven't benefited

to a small degree, to medium degree, to a large

degree. So to me, sold. It's the way to go. And

plus, it's away from the medical. Which we could

talk for hours on that one, too.

We sure could. So just to wrap up your, you know,

approach to working with people, sort of. It's a

combination of hypnosis plus other modalities

you've now brought in. Circadian regulation,

grounding, cold therapy when appropriate. I love

this. And I'm just curious, when people come to

you, do they come. Like, I often talk to people

when they're trying to, you know, write copy for

potential clients, and I'm like, you know, it's

like, speak to the problem. No, no. That they're

experiencing. So do people come in with, like,

what are the most common things? Right, Like, I

want to stop smoking. I want to stop yelling at

my kids like, I'm broke all the time. Or do they

come in and say, I want to heal this trauma that

happened to me?

They're never that direct. Generally, they come

in and say, I have a problem with my mother. So

then I know it's generally the father. They say,

I am never afraid of anything, which means

they're afraid of a lot. But there's certain

common things that are stress. Like lately, you

know, in the last five years, it's a lot of

stress, work stress. Covid has its. You know,

people are still afraid of COVID and the

aftermath of not having friends for two years. A

whole bunch of stuff is created from COVID as far

as emotional problems. But the average person now

is more. I used to see a lot of cases, heavy duty

cases, but I've tapered it down to more

educational stuff. Now people who want to get

educated on their stress and want to, you know,

live a fuller life, a richer life. So if it's.

It's a different kind of clientele I've had from

the early days where I was kind of in a. In a

medical clinic and taking the doctor's leftovers,

and they say, well, we. We're finished with, you

know, experimenting on them. They're yours now.

And I go, oh, gee, thanks. Right.

What medical clinic? Like, what was that?

It was. It was OHIP clinic, you know. Ohip.

Mm.

Yeah.

So OHIP for people who aren't from Ontario, Is it

the Ontario Health Insurance Clinic Program?

And we. We. We were hired as. My husband and I at

the time, were hired as the hypnotherapist in the

clinic. And, you know, OHIP would bill for us,

and we would see what they gave us. And it was

about. We were working about 12 hours a day, and

we got everything that kind of they didn't want

or they were done with. And so at the time, this

was in the. This was in the late, late 80s. Yeah,

it was the late 80s. And so hypnotherapy at that

time in Toronto was still kind of like, you know,

woo, woo.

Yeah. I'm shocked OHIP even had you on staff.

So are we. So, so what we did is we had the front

office, which was all glass, and we would.

Whenever we brought a client in, we'd pull the

curtains. So it was like hypnotherapy in the, in,

in the closet, so to speak. And then we would

work with them. And one lady came and she had a

lump on her neck the size of an orange, and her

husband had been a pain in the neck for many

years. So we worked with metaphors and we worked

with, you know, her breathing and her techniques

and. And then after four weeks, the lump went

flat because she was no longer angry. She went

back to school, she made something of herself,

and he fell back in love with her and was happy

ever after. But the doctors wanted to know the

scientific. How did that happen and what did we

do? And we couldn't begin to explain it because

she was doing it, we were facilitating it, and we

were left there going, you know, we said to her,

if you tell anybody that you're fixed, we're

gonna. We know where you live. So it was, it was

a, A different time in a different place in the

80s to do that sort of thing and get results and

still be working in the medical profession. So we

did it only for about a year because then we went

into private practice. But it was a tough year

because we were doing some amazing stuff. But it

wasn't recognized as amazing. It was recognized

as more just fluke or last resort.

Right, right.

But it was a fabulous training ground to push us

right into private practice, which is what we

did. Right.

Perfect. Yeah. You're all set up. I know. I'm

trying to imagine that conversation. Well, how

did you do that?

Well, exactly.

And you know, the thing that I find interesting

is that the science is catching up. I think there

probably is enough science to explain these types

of things, but they still don't care. It's like,

Right. We could show them a mountain of work on

Gilbert Ling or May Wen Ho or structured water

and frequency and vibration and the energy

bodies. And it's still like, they'll be like, oh,

well, it wasn't in this type of study, or you

didn't do this kind of thing, or there's always a

Reason, because their minds are just not going to

accept.

Exactly. When I first found your site, I go, I

know this. I felt like this. I know what this is.

Oh, I love it. Yeah. And so many people,

especially, you know, people from, from a more

medical or biochemical, you know, even if they're

a naturopath field, they're, they're very

intrigued by the idea of quantum biology. But

people from your world are like, oh, of course,

you're just putting words to it. There's just

language to explain what's happening.

Well, it's funny. Hypnotherapy in those days

wasn't hooga booga, but it wasn't medical. So we

really didn't have a place to a group. We didn't

have a peer group really because neither group

wanted us. The medical didn't want us for sure

because we were getting results and the hooka

boogas didn't want us because we weren't hooka

booga enough. We were more.

You're not woo woo enough.

So we didn't make the grade either way.

Well, I think it worked out because you seems to

have developed just an incredible approach and

techniques combining like a very. So many unique

aspects of yourself and your work. And so now is

the. The part where I ask you to share how people

can find you. But.

I'm word of mouth. I'm word of mouth.

Yes. So I was gonna say, I'm sorry to say there

is, there are no socials, there is no website.

Tara is OG OG word of mouth. So I don't know what

to say. Is there any way you want, anything you

want to say for people? If they want to work with

you.

They can contact me and I can do it online. Like

I can. Do you.

Do you work virtually?

I. I work digitally, yeah. They can do it online.

They'd have to. I can give them an email.

They can say, okay, you know what we'll do? You

can. We'll make sure that you're set up with a

profile in the QVC free community.

Yep.

So if you go to the QVC free community, which you

can join through qbcpod.com just click free

community and people listening. If you don't have

an account, set one up. It's free and it's a

great way to find people like Tara and all the

other guests that I've had on the podcast. So if

you go in there and you click in and you type in

Tara T E R R A, her profile will come up and that

will put your private. Your contact information

in there.

Oh, I passed my boards.

Oh, congratulations.

Yeah.

Board certified. Applied Quantum Biology

practitioner.

Absolutely. Yeah.

This is so exciting. Well, I look forward to

doing another interview with you down the road to

hear hear how it's all coming together and what

new insights you've had. Thank you so much.

Thank you.

This was super fun.

Been a pleasure. Thank you.