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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: What if vibrant health and lasting balance weren't about quick fixes, but about small, mindful choices that transform your entire life?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Hi, and welcome to the UWorld Order Showcase Podcast, where we feature life, health, transformational coaches and spiritual entrepreneurs stepping up to be the change they seek in the world. I'm your host, Jill Hart, The Coach's Alchemist.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: On a mission to help coaches and entrepreneurs amplify their voice, monetize their mission, and get visible. If you're ready to start attracting premium clients without chasing algorithms or hunting people down like a banshee on a mission, head over to Coachesalchemist.com and schedule your free client acquisition audit.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's the first step to building a business where your clients seek you out, rather than having to hunt them down yourself.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Today, we are chatting with Joyce Wheeler. Joyce is a holistic researcher, consultant, and the founder of Total Holistic Living.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Immersed in holistic practices since 2010, she fully embraced a natural lifestyle by 2012, and has been guiding others on their wellness journeys ever since.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Joyce combines years of research with lived experience to show that holistic living doesn't have to be complicated. It's about making practical, sustainable choices that maximize health and create lasting well-being.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Through coaching, speaking, and courses, she empowers individuals to rise like the phoenix and step into their most vibrant, aligned selves. Welcome to the show, Joyce. It's great to have you with us.

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Joyce Wheeler: Thank you, Jill, it's good to be here.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Alright, you ready for the big question?

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Joyce Wheeler: Alrighty.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: What's the most significant thing, in your opinion, as individuals, we can do to make an impact on how the world is going?

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Joyce Wheeler: Think for ourselves.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Love it. Yes.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Okay, we're done.

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Joyce Wheeler: Stop listening to what everybody else has to say and think for yourself.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's so important these days. I mean, we're… we were talking about this before, but you're basically lied to about everything.

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Joyce Wheeler: Right.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: If you hear it on the mainstream, or even on…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: anywhere. You just really need to think about what is being said, and what is the end goal of you embracing that

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: thought.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Or that… Whatever it is. I mean, it's like…

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Joyce Wheeler: You know what's very interesting, Jill? I remember I was probably 4 or 5 years old.

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Joyce Wheeler: And my mom was in the living room, and she was ironing. And at that time, the Vietnam War was going on, and she hit on a TV, and she looked at me.

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Joyce Wheeler: And she was angry, but she was stern, but at the same time, she was very serious. She said, don't you ever believe anything you see on the news. Don't you ever believe anything you read in the newspapers.

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Joyce Wheeler: And I will never forget that, and I was like, okay, mom, okay, but it stuck with me.

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Joyce Wheeler: you know, like I said, I think I was 4 or 5 years old, and it just… she was very much against the Vietnam War.

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Joyce Wheeler: And the way they went about it, and…

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Joyce Wheeler: She told me that, and it's… it's… when you're a kid, and your mom is looking at you, she's like, you know, you pretty much listen up, so…

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Joyce Wheeler: I listen, and you, you know, we don't even… we have not listened to mainstream media since, like, 2009.

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Joyce Wheeler: And it's just one.

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Joyce Wheeler: It's just lies and them telling us what they want us to hear, and then they repeat it over and over again, because we need to hear something seven times before we start to believe it.

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Joyce Wheeler: So it's on this station, and this station, and you know, this show, and that show, you know? And it's like, no. I homeschooled my kids.

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Joyce Wheeler: And it was very important for me to raise them to be free thinkers. And while it does cause some hostility in the family, I mean, not real hostility, but we get into heated conversations because one person has one opinion, somebody else has another opinion.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, and sometimes we're not willing to budge on what we're thinking. And on the other hand, you know, there's times where it's like, huh.

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Joyce Wheeler: he or she has something, you know, I'm gonna go ahead and investigate that and look into that further.

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Joyce Wheeler: So, you know, it's not just being a free thinker, it's being open-minded to, okay, what is the truth?

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Joyce Wheeler: what is really out there that's the truth? My husband was lied to. That's how we ended up in this lifestyle.

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Joyce Wheeler: Back in 2009, he was told he had chronic fatigue syndrome and recurring mono.

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Joyce Wheeler: And to stop working for a month?

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Joyce Wheeler: Six months later, he's no better, he's worse.

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Joyce Wheeler: We're trying to figure out what the heck is going on.

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Joyce Wheeler: on a fluke, he was watching TV, and a talk show came on. There was this comedian who was talking about… he had mercury poisoning from eating sushi for 20 years.

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Joyce Wheeler: When he started talking about his symptoms, my husband went, that's me.

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Joyce Wheeler: So he started doing research to find out where the mercury was coming from.

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Joyce Wheeler: And it led to the amalgam fillings in his mouth. So once he had 10 of them.

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Joyce Wheeler: So that's what led to… and during that time when he was doing research, he found out that the American Dental Association had a gag order on the dentist, where they were not allowed to tell their patients that the milk and fillings were 50% mercury, or they would lose their license.

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Joyce Wheeler: So when we found that out, we kind of, like, looked at each other and went, okay, what else don't we know? What else are they not telling us?

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Joyce Wheeler: And it was like Pandora's box flew open, we started doing tons of research, you know, learned about the chemtrails, the fluoride in the water, the beauty care industry, just, you know, toxins in our wholesale products, and it went on and on and on.

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Joyce Wheeler: And at first, it was a little overwhelming, which is why I want to help other people step into this lifestyle, because I was there, been there, done that.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know? And yeah, I could be a little alone, so I want to help people who are interested in living a holistic lifestyle.

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Joyce Wheeler: Go ahead and do that, and I'll start where you are.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, you got a gut microbiome issue? Okay, let's address that first, and then let's move on to removing the toxins from your home.

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Joyce Wheeler: Step-by-step process, baby steps.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And it takes time.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: We can't get to this place where we're just, like.

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Joyce Wheeler: We have to go to the store to buy everything, and it has to come in a package.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It didn't happen overnight.

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Joyce Wheeler: It was a long, slow process, and you were trained into it. You were trained to think that.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Laundry soap that smelled a certain way, Joke about marking your laundry.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So nobody would steal your husband?

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Joyce Wheeler: And I've never heard that.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Those fabric softener sheets that are really dangerous to use.

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Joyce Wheeler: Either tonight.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: They will… well, they're toxic, and they'll start your dryer on fire.

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Joyce Wheeler: If you don't.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: wash your, lint catcher thing out. Yeah, they're super dangerous. But.

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Joyce Wheeler: I haven't used them in a while, so I wouldn't know about that. It was pretty much, you know, from 2009 to 2012, we just concentrated on changing our lifestyle.

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Joyce Wheeler: Mainly focusing on our food and our cleaning products, and switching to all organic and… well, for our food, all organic, and then for

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Joyce Wheeler: our laundry products, our cleaning products, we went plant-based.

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Joyce Wheeler: And then for the beauty care industry, I had learned that there was

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Joyce Wheeler: They don't have to put on the label every ingredient that's in there, because of the fact it's a formula.

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Joyce Wheeler: And fragrance can mean anything.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, the butacurin industry uses approximately 18,000 different chemicals. Out of those 18,000, approximately 13,000… 1,300 of them are toxic.

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Joyce Wheeler: And when I found out that, well, you could do… they could do this, and they could do that, and you can't even believe organic, you can't even believe natural in the stores, I went.

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Joyce Wheeler: And you know what?

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Joyce Wheeler: I started learning about herbs, and I started making my own.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, it's not that hard. Like, soap is… it took me 10 years to learn to make soap.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But…

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Joyce Wheeler: Well, I make an eigenface game, and I had thrown batches of it away. And then finally, I was… I… because I was starting to sub to the public, I wanted to make sure that they were genuinely safe.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So I had taken a course.

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Joyce Wheeler: And create these vinegar products using organic plant-based ingredients.

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Joyce Wheeler: And the one thing I had learned, the biggest misconception out there is that vitamin E is a natural preservative. Vitamin E is not a natural preservative. It prevents oxidation in oils.

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Joyce Wheeler: So the preservative that I now use is called the Cytoliquid. I wish it was something familiar, because it's a compound from kimchi.

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Joyce Wheeler: Which is totally cool. I know, isn't that cool? But it's like a loose out of liquid. It's like, it doesn't sound like it's organic or natural or anything. But, yeah, it stems from…

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Joyce Wheeler: compounding country. So now I… I use that. And I also had found out during my formulation that I had to separate

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Joyce Wheeler: my butters from my oils, or I could get an explosion, which I didn't know yet. So…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Look at all this stuff is chemistry! People don't realize it, but…

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Joyce Wheeler: But yeah, I'm glad that I was able to take that course. I did that in 2016, and I got certified in… no, 2015, I started

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Joyce Wheeler: I got certified in 2017, so I didn't take a two-part test. The first one was like, you know, what's the muscle location, and what's this, and what's that. And the second part was really fun, because I had to…

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Joyce Wheeler: I had to create a whole skin regimen for 3 fictitious clients.

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Joyce Wheeler: So, that was really fun to do.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Do you do that now for other people?

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Joyce Wheeler: I can. I, you know, I don't have people who have come to me and asked me.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I've had very few.

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Joyce Wheeler: But I am… I am capable of doing it.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Interesting.

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Joyce Wheeler: Okay.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It… it's… Fun when you start, like.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: venturing off into the… the possibilities, and they're really skills that we had at one point. We were past mother to daughter until, you know, the whole witch thing happened, but…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Witches were just people that had some knowledge that Kept you from…

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Joyce Wheeler: Like, herbs, or a midwife.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, they… they just had… and a lot of them were landowners.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And they wanted their land.

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Joyce Wheeler: And a lot of them were women, and I think it was a way of oppressing women.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: There's definitely.

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Joyce Wheeler: Taking the problem.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: King James, it was… it was… King James is the one that put it in the Bible.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It didn't used to be in the Bible, but he put it in there.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: The, and he… he went after women who were landowners.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And he stole it.

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Joyce Wheeler: That I did not know, interesting.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah.

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Joyce Wheeler: What an idiot.

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Joyce Wheeler: I had a better word, but I can say it.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you.

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Joyce Wheeler: So I just… I remember one time, me and my family… my daughter is here in Louisiana with me, but I've got two sons that are in Illinois, and then I have someone that's in

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Joyce Wheeler: West Virginia.

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Joyce Wheeler: But once a year, we get together. So one time, we were here, and we were playing this game, like, who's most likely to?

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Joyce Wheeler: And it came up, who's most likely to be called a witch? And all of them are like, Mom.

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Joyce Wheeler: Okay.

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Joyce Wheeler: I mean, there was no hesitation, it was just like, all four of them are like, Mom?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's… it's kind of like a badge of honor, really. I… I consider myself a crone, and I embrace it. I have a lot of knowledge about plants, and herbs and oils, and…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: how to do stuff, and foraging, and… it's just, like…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I didn't always know, and I didn't come from a family that knew how to do it. It was something that was a skill that I actively…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: embraced and tried to learn. It's fun.

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Joyce Wheeler: Now, I remember when I was… when I was small, I would take a bucket of water, I would put wax in there, I would put

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Joyce Wheeler: These are mirror.

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Joyce Wheeler: I would put the closures in there.

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Joyce Wheeler: And I would walk away and let it sit, and I would go back and I would drink it.

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Joyce Wheeler: So I think at that point, my mind was remembering.

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Joyce Wheeler: It's like, yeah, this is what we do.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, of course, it wasn't later on until I grew up that I realized what I was doing, you know, how we can use crystals, and everything has a natural vibrational frequency, and we can use that to go ahead and infuse our water for healing.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, and how dandelions, which my mom would have me go and dig out of the ground as a kid, are actually very nutritious and very beneficial for us.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: All parts of it.

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Joyce Wheeler: Yeah, yeah, the root is great for liver support, and of course, now with all the toxins that are in the air, we're seeing people with fatty liver disease, which has nothing to do with alcohol consumption. It's just our bodies are so bombarded by toxins that our liver can't take it.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Starting with infants, the formulas?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: They have… it's the corn syrup, and you have to be really careful with formula if you're feeding your baby formula, which you really shouldn't do, but if you're…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: If you can't… if you feel like you can't produce enough milk, use goat's milk.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Non-pasteurized goat's milk, because goats are more closely

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: related to humans than cows are. I mean, a cow baby is, like.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: a small human, when they're born, you don't need to be giving your baby that fat globules.

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Joyce Wheeler: Also, you've got that lining in that can that's BPA, which is toxic.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, and especially if it's sitting on the heat, we don't know where it's coming from. How long has it been sitting in that truck? How long was it sitting in the warehouse? Is the warehouse air-conditioned?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: is it clean? And are there bugs in it? Because I know people that work in factories that produce food, and

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: there's, like.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: There's, like, a very, very loose interpretation of what's too much when it comes to bugs and stuff, like…

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Joyce Wheeler: Yep.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: like, meal. I was just, like, cornmeal.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I will never buy another processed anything because of that. It's just like, you don't know how it's made, you don't know what the conditions were that it was made in.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, and you don't know what chemicals are in it.

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Joyce Wheeler: That's the same thing with the seasonings. When we were doing our research, we found out that they allowed a certain number of bug feces and bug parts in the seasoning. So I went, oh, hell no.

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Joyce Wheeler: Good! And we switched to organic.

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Joyce Wheeler: So, and it took us, to get our food and our seasonings and everything organic, it took us 2 years.

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Joyce Wheeler: Because we didn't have the money to throw everything in the house today, go out and buy everything. So what we did was that every time we ran out of something.

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Joyce Wheeler: And we went to the store, we replaced it with organic.

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Joyce Wheeler: Our seasoning to replace little by little, so replacing the most common ones that we used first.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And we replace, I think, one or two a month.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, but it was a process. It was… like I said, with our cleaning products, too, everything just took us 2 years to get fully organic and plant-based.

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Joyce Wheeler: With everything that's in-house. Yeah, there's… there's…

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Joyce Wheeler: There's so many things that people don't know about food. Even people say, well, I went to the farmer's market. Okay, that's great, that's wonderful. Do you know their practices?

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Joyce Wheeler: We go to the local farmer's market, and everybody there that sells produce, and I'm thankful that they're very transparent, hence this place frame. Yes, it has.

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Joyce Wheeler: So, we don't get any produce at the farmer's market, but we get

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Joyce Wheeler: grass-fed beef there. We get free-range eggs.

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Joyce Wheeler: the pork that we get, you know, we know the farmers, we have talked to them, they have said, you want to come to my farm? Come on. Now, we had one farmer who said we can come to his farm.

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Joyce Wheeler: We scheduled the date.

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Joyce Wheeler: And when I called to confirm, make sure everything was still good, he was like, oh, no, it's not good because of this, this, and this. You know, and I said, well, can we reschedule? Yeah, you can come on this date.

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Joyce Wheeler: he created some kind of, like, hot sauce or something. I'm like, what does this have to do with your farm?

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, so I realized… that was a red flag for me. He's not growing everything that he's selling.

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Joyce Wheeler: And that's the thing, too, because I was selling at the farmer's markets my, skincare products. I was also brewing kombucha, so I was selling kombucha there. I was making jewelry with crystals, I was selling that there.

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Joyce Wheeler: And there was one… Farmer, who was there.

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Joyce Wheeler: Because this one farmer, he was bringing things there that were not in season. Cauliflower and broccoli, those are cold weather vegetables. They're not in warm weather.

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Joyce Wheeler: Yeah, so you gotta be careful, even with a farmer's markets. You have to talk to them, find out their practices, ask if you can visit their farm.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, if they say no, well, you know, then you know it's a red flag. You know that they're not doing what they say that they're doing.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I had a goat dairy, and we had eggs, and I… We grew everything, and… There's… you just…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I like to know the name of the animal that I'm eating.

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Joyce Wheeler: Right?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: We butchered our own chickens, we raised cows…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: goat, because I think they're, like, cute little dogs. They're my friends, and I'm not eating them. I'll sell them to you. I sold a lot of babies, but yeah, I…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I just couldn't do it.

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Joyce Wheeler: We all have our preferences. We've actually have 3 hens and a rooster right now.

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Joyce Wheeler: And our rooster, we actually incubated him on our own, along with another hen that we had.

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Joyce Wheeler: So, it's like a rooster, he should have his spurs. He doesn't have spurs.

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Joyce Wheeler: And I told my husband yesterday, I said, I thought he was just protecting the hens. That's why he… I'm from Chicago, is where I'm originally from. I'm a city girl. I don't know the first thing about chickens. It's like, my husband is born and raised in West Tennessee, so he knows. He's had chickens before.

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Joyce Wheeler: But I'm just totally new to all this. You know, I wish I was exposed to it more as a child.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, but when you live in the city, you're just… you're just not.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I was the same way. I didn't… I didn't grow up knowing anything about animals. When I first got my goats, I didn't realize they didn't have bottom teeth.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Maybe it's top teeth. They… they don't have teeth on one… one jaw.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And… chickens, my neighbors, because we live in the country now, and my neighbors, we were, like, trying to catch the chickens to clip their wings, and he's just, like, rolling on the ground. He thinks I'm the funniest thing ever.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And their standard response is, good luck with that, as they stand there laughing at you, knowing that you don't need to do that.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, I had thought about that when we got our chickens. I was like, well, are they gonna… are we gonna have to clip their wings?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But, you know, my husband's never done it, it's never been talked about.

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Joyce Wheeler: And we're not the only one. We're in a rural area, too, and we're not the only one. We are the fourth person on the road to have chickens.

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Joyce Wheeler: Which is really nice, because our neighboring has chickens, so when they go on vacation, my husband tends to their chickens.

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Joyce Wheeler: And when we go on vacation, he tends to our chickens, so it's a win-win. We just got lucky there, you know, that our neighbors happy to have chickens, and they're like, oh, yeah. And then they're just like, oh, whatever age you find, keep on, you know, cool.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: They will come home to… they come… your chickens come home to roost. Every night.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: If they have a space that they know that's where they belong, even if they wander off wherever they're gonna wander, they know where they belong, and they come back.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So, that was something I didn't know before, but I learned over the years.

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Joyce Wheeler: They're so funny, because the rooster will stand by the… we have an enclosed patio.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And we're sitting there standing by the back door when he knows, it's like time.

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Joyce Wheeler: To go into the pen.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You know, he'll just be standing there, and he'll be like, looking, like, you know.

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Joyce Wheeler: My husband, every night, will go out there with a piece of bread just to coax them into the pen.

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Joyce Wheeler: And he's like, where's my tree? I want my tree. I'll tell my husbands, I'm like, your chickens are asking for you.

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Joyce Wheeler: They're actually…

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Joyce Wheeler: Yeah, they're… they're actually very interesting to watch, and it was interesting because our rooster is older than the hens that we got. The hen that we got with the rooster that we incubated, she ended up… we had to put her out.

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Joyce Wheeler: She was trying to pass an egg, and she wouldn't, and we found out that the reproductive system is something that's

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Joyce Wheeler: Generally affected when there's incest.

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Joyce Wheeler: So, we had gotten the eggs from a neighbor up the road, and I don't think she's looking

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Joyce Wheeler: Was paying attention to who her roster was mating with, because all she wants is the eggs.

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Joyce Wheeler: So, why would she pay attention?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You don't really… people don't pay attention to the roosters.

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Joyce Wheeler: No, but now the person that we got our hens from, she's at the farmer's market. She has, like, 300 hens, so she needs to be careful.

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Joyce Wheeler: About what she's doing, because she will sell the chicks. And then, like I said, we bought the three hounds from her. So, as far as that goes, we have to be careful. And then we did some more research, and we learned that even

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Joyce Wheeler: If a rooster is a victim of incest, he can still mate with these other hens, and they will nix out that part, so their chicks will not be affected by it, which was interesting to find out.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That is interesting. I know with goats, we did line breeding. It wasn't a good idea for…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Them to breed with their Sisters, but you could breed them back to the parent.

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Joyce Wheeler: Really?

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Joyce Wheeler: That just doesn't seem right.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I know, it seems really weird, but it was the thing.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's so much fun.

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Joyce Wheeler: And I'm.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Upstating is just, like.

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Joyce Wheeler: It's very interesting to learn.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, these different things.

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Joyce Wheeler: That… and then this is the thing, too, it's like all that shit we learned in school, what was that for?

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Joyce Wheeler: I haven't made any use for it.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Is that even true?

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Joyce Wheeler: Have you had any use for it outside of, like, basic math, reading and writing, anything else that you wanted in school, have you had any use for it?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: No.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: The most useful things I had in school was typing.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I didn't… math… I moved around so much. I was in, like, 20 schools in 17 years. Wow. So, math was just, like…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I was not… my parents didn't understand that I was, like, totally clueless about math. Math is not hard, and I'm really good at it now, but God, growing up, I was, like.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I just didn't understand what was going on, because I didn't get the basics, I didn't understand you need to learn to multiply and divide, and add and subtract in your head.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And… It all starts right there.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But I totally missed that, because when you jumped around.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: you know, at the time that I was in school in the 60s.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: it wasn't standardized anything. And if you weren't in the same classroom all year, you got

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: chopped up information, and you can't learn math that way. I homeschooled 3 of my kids, and that's how I learned the basics of math.

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Joyce Wheeler: Isn't it funny what you learn when you're homeschooling?

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Joyce Wheeler: When I was in school, I never liked science. Never, ever liked science at all. I always got apps in science. But in homeschooling my kids, I was like, oh, this is actually pretty interesting, you know? I'm actually liking those.

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Joyce Wheeler: But yeah, I mean, the basics of Matthew Median, I actually had a real hard time with division.

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Joyce Wheeler: I mean, it was like speaking Greek, but then I'm not a numbers person. I'm words. My husband's numbers. As a matter of fact, my husband jerks that if… because he can't remember names.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But he said if they had a number, I would remember them.

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Joyce Wheeler: Because he deals with parts. He does, here, Paris.

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Joyce Wheeler: So, it's like, he knows the part numbers, he can just rattle it off his head. He doesn't even have to look it up, he's been doing this for 50 years.

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Joyce Wheeler: And he's like, I can't remember that person's name? But if I didn't remember, I would remember them.

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Joyce Wheeler: So, we compliment each other, it's like, when I need math stuff, I mean, I know my basics.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, I can add, I can subtract, multiply, divide, I know measurements, but outside of that, I don't feel like I need anything else.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, I could deal with money.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, but… You're ahead of a lot of people these days. As far as, like, when I was in high school and I had to do algebra, I'm like, what the hell is this?

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Joyce Wheeler: Letters?

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Joyce Wheeler: What?

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Joyce Wheeler: Yeah, needless to say, I dropped out my freshman year of high school. I went, I don't need this.

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Joyce Wheeler: learned anything I wanted to learn on my own. Went to the library. There was a junior high school, not a junior high school, a junior college in Chicago.

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Joyce Wheeler: That offered people who didn't graduate from high school, they offered non-credited courses.

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Joyce Wheeler: So that's where I went to on how to type.

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Joyce Wheeler: And I also took a journalism class, and a psychology class, some other classes, So…

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Joyce Wheeler: We picked out the curriculum, I chose 3 different curriculums, you choose it. You know, this way, I didn't get bucked for it. We picked out this, and I don't like this. I never dealt with any of that, because they chose it themselves. They chose what they wanted to study.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Oh, our house went, too.

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Joyce Wheeler: What the.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And I never graded anything.

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Joyce Wheeler: I did a little bit.

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Joyce Wheeler: I wasn't… I wasn't, like, you know, it wasn't steel fist about it.

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Joyce Wheeler: But I did grade some things. I like your perspective on it better.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I looked over stuff, and we, you know, if I didn't think that it was right, I'd let them defend it.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But… I…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I can't see the point of giving somebody a letter grade for something, or even a percentage of, you got this many correct. Well.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: We learn from our mistakes.

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Joyce Wheeler: Right.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So, let's learn from this… You got these 5 wrong.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Let's see what we can figure out because of that, not… you're a terrible person, you got 5 wrong.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I think that's a terrible way to approach education.

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Joyce Wheeler: I never, I never told my kids they were bad.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Huh?

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, I critiqued the things that they did. I said there was not a good thing to do.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I never told them no.

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Joyce Wheeler: I never told them to shut up.

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Joyce Wheeler: Because kids… kids… neither do I. You know, and they knew they weren't supposed to say that, and they get around, they say, shut UP.

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Joyce Wheeler: Because they knew they weren't allowed to say, shut up.

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Joyce Wheeler: But it's just, you know, kids, they're little parrots. Anything we say, they're going to say.

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Joyce Wheeler: So, my first husband, he, he passed away.

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Joyce Wheeler: But he swore.

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Joyce Wheeler: And I had told my kids, if I don't say it, you don't say it. Well, what about Daddy? You don't say anything Daddy says. Nothing that Daddy says you can say. Listen, listen, Mom, if I say it, you can say it. If I don't say it, then no, you cannot say it.

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Joyce Wheeler: But… You know, it's just… And it's not those… those are bad words or horrible words.

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Joyce Wheeler: They were just… they weren't uplifting.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, why are you telling somebody you're a bad girl, a bad boy? They're not a bad girl, they're not a bad boy, it's what they did that was wrong.

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Joyce Wheeler: Critique what they did.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You know what? Again.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: What can you learn from it?

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Joyce Wheeler: Right, exactly.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, I… just… I chose what I said to them very carefully. I chose what I watched in front of them very carefully, which is funny, because now they're all grown up.

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Joyce Wheeler: And they're sitting there whispering, well, I don't know if we can watch that, Mom's here.

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Joyce Wheeler: What the hell, right?

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Joyce Wheeler: It's like, I was not watching this stuff because I didn't want to, I watched it because you didn't need to be seeing it at that point in time in your life.

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Joyce Wheeler: And it's just funny that they're… well, those… there's swear words in there, I don't think anyone's gonna want to watch that, you know? I'm like, wow. But it's funny, because they're, like, whispering, they're, like, in this little puddle.

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Joyce Wheeler: I'm like, you know I can hear you, right? I'm sitting right here.

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Joyce Wheeler: But it's just… it's funny, it's… I'm just like, wow, they… they're grown adults now, and they don't get…

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, but…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: They'll get it when they have kids.

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Joyce Wheeler: Yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It clicks. It's like…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: all of a sudden, they're like, oh, yeah. And then you hear things that you said to them come out of their mouths.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, at this point, I haven't. I have not at this point.

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Joyce Wheeler: But…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Wait till they have kids. I'm telling you, I have 8 grandkids, and…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I hear it from my kids.

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Joyce Wheeler: Well…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: like…

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Joyce Wheeler: there's two… two of them don't want kids at all. My daughter has PCOS.

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Joyce Wheeler: She's 34, and she's saying she would like to have a child, but at this point in time doesn't know she's capable of doing so. She has no steady partner. Marriage is…

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Joyce Wheeler: kind of in sight, but, you know, I'm not exactly sure. And she asked me one time, she's like, Mom, are you sad because you have grandchildren? I said, no. She said, really? I said, really, I am not sad. The way that this world is right now, I am so glad I do not have grandchildren.

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Joyce Wheeler: With all the stuff that they're trying to force on our kids, you know, it's like, as parents, we no longer have rights.

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Joyce Wheeler: It's like, what happened there?

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Joyce Wheeler: this is my child. You don't have the right to tell my child it's okay to do A, B, and C when I'm telling them no.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, especially when it goes against values. There's certain things going on right now that my daughter and I have talked about, and it's like, you know what? They should have to wait until they're 26, 27, because there's that part of your brain that doesn't fully develop till then.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, it's like, yeah, not even 18, 26, 27, when that part of your brain is developed. It's like when my daughter was younger, she would want to get a tattoo or get piercings, and I said, no. And she said, well, why not? I said, because you are still a minor. You're not 18.

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Joyce Wheeler: when you are 18, if you… that is still what you want to do, you can go ahead and do it. But as a minor, and as your mother, I am not saying yes. So later on, you can come back and be like, well, why'd you let me do that? You… you're my mom, you're supposed to know better.

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Joyce Wheeler: So, yeah, I'm the mom, I know what's best. So, if you're… when you're at legal age, and you want to do that, fine, go ahead. As a minor, no, we're not doing it.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Mine was that you have to be 18 and supporting yourself.

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Joyce Wheeler: Buh.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And not living at home. But all my kids graduated when they were, like, 16, 15 and 16, so they were working by the time they were 16 or 17. And by the time they were 18, they all had really good jobs, and

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: All of that foolishness just kind of, like, Left.

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Joyce Wheeler: Well, when she… she does have a few tattoos. When she did get them, she was not living under my roof, and she did have her own job.

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Joyce Wheeler: So, you know…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: She's an adult, she can make her own decisions.

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Joyce Wheeler: Actually, she's got a, sugar skull owl on her forearm. That's actually really pretty.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I have a tattoo on my ankle, I got it when I was 62.

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Joyce Wheeler: Nice.

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Joyce Wheeler: My first husband started doing a tattoo over here on my shoulder. He was doing it, and I was like, look, you're not finishing this thing, I want it done. It's… till this date, it's still not done.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I said… I said, you're not finishing. I said, I'm gonna go to a tattoo artist, and he had a tattoo artist. He would not let me do that.

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Joyce Wheeler: And I'm like, why? It's not finished. I want it done.

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Joyce Wheeler: But it's still unfinished.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It's a story.

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Joyce Wheeler: Yeah, right?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Alright, Joyce.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: What is one important aspect of holistic wellness?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That you feel everyone needs to know?

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Joyce Wheeler: That it's our body, and it's up to us to maintain it, to keep it healthy, and to make sure we are giving it what it needs. We don't need somebody else telling us what we need to do or not to do with our bodies.

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Joyce Wheeler: That's our responsibility.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And you need to take personal responsibility when you go and see a physician. You need to know what the outcome is that you're expecting when you go in there. And get a second, or fourth, or twelfth opinion, because that's all it is when they tell you stuff.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, and you might even want to seek out a holistic position.

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Joyce Wheeler: there are physicians now that are actually… I know there's a problem with that, because the people are like, but they don't take insurance. There are some actual doctors who have now gone into functional holistic medicine, so they're doing both sides, so they are capable of taking the insurance.

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Joyce Wheeler: So there, well, I had a website from the webinar

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Joyce Wheeler: It was the Institute of Functional Medicine. You can go there, and you can find a holistic functional doctor there. And it's something that she had said during the webinar, too, made a lot of sense. It's like, either way, you're going to have to pay for your health.

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Joyce Wheeler: When do you want to pay for it, and how do you want to pay for it?

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Joyce Wheeler: You want to pay now, or you want to pay later?

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Joyce Wheeler: And that's one thing about living a holistic lifestyle, is that, you know, I have 10 minutes to my own health.

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Joyce Wheeler: We've only needed… my husband's needed a doctor for a broken bone, his gallbladder, and his, his…

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Joyce Wheeler: pacemaker, but other than that, I haven't been to a doctor in over 15 years, because I've had no need to, thank God.

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Joyce Wheeler: You know, so we could do this. We got this.

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Joyce Wheeler: This stuff has been handed down from generation to generation to generation, and they've tried to stifle it.

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Joyce Wheeler: But… We're gonna keep it alive.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: People like you definitely are doing it. So, the Ultimate Beginner's Holistic Health Checklist, and you had one other thing that you are introducing here shortly. Do you want to talk about those two things?

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Joyce Wheeler: The Holistic Beginners Checklist is… just gives you, like, 20 different things that… simple things that you could do to start your path to living a holistic lifestyle.

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Joyce Wheeler: then I just got done, writing an e-book on Stressed Out.

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Joyce Wheeler: how it affects our… impacts our health, and what we could do to have better wellness. I did that along with the,

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Joyce Wheeler: De-stressing journal.

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Joyce Wheeler: So, yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Perfect. And they can find that on your website at.

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Joyce Wheeler: TotalHolisticLiving.com, go to the downloads, go to General Holistic Living, click on that button to learn more, and it will take you to both of those items.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Awesome. Thank you so much for joining me, Joyce. This has been a great conversation.

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Joyce Wheeler: Oh, thank you, Jill, so much for having me.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: To learn more about Joyce and to get her Ultimate Beginner's Holistic Checklist, please visit TotalHolisticLiving.com, and we'll be sure to put the note, or the links in the show notes below. Thank you for tuning in today to the UWorld Order Showcase Podcast. If you're ready to amplify your voice, monetize your mission, and start attracting premium clients.

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