I think this might be one of the most common problems that I see
Speaker:when I'm working as a therapist or as a coach with my clients.
Speaker:Uh, and that is the belief that if we don't know what is causing
Speaker:ourselves to feel anxiety or anger or depression or fill in the.
Speaker:that we can't fix it.
Speaker:And actually brings up another problem, which is the idea of fixing these things.
Speaker:Hey,
Speaker:I'm Justin Sunseri.
Speaker:I'm a
Speaker:therapist and coach.
Speaker:I love to work with people to help them feel more calm, confident, and
Speaker:connected without psychobabble or woo woo.
Speaker:Welcome to Stuck Not Broken.
Speaker:This is of course not therapy or, nor is it intended to be therapy.
Speaker:Well, before I even go to this, this is, I'm gonna respond to a question
Speaker:I got from within my community.
Speaker:Basically I'll read it first and then go into it.
Speaker:The person says, "this is in regard to safety anchors."
Speaker:I have a course called building safety anchors and a book called stuck now
Speaker:broken book two building safety.
Speaker:It talks all about both the course and the book talk all about how to feel
Speaker:safe, how to recognize it, how to do it again and build up the capacity
Speaker:to feel safe, um, day in, day out.
Speaker:"This is in regard to safety anchors.
Speaker:I'm not sure they will work for me.
Speaker:I don't know what's triggering my anxiety."
Speaker:And then it gives me a year by year rundown of some of what he's been
Speaker:through and what he's attempted.
Speaker:And it sounds like he's definitely putting quote unquote, the work
Speaker:he's, he's done everything that one could ask of him to do.
Speaker:And then says, uh, "my biggest problem is I don't know what's
Speaker:creating this internal anxiety drive.
Speaker:If I don't know what it is, I can't fix it.
Speaker:It would seem that over the years I have created some safety
Speaker:spaces and recovered, but there is still some driving underneath.
Speaker:I felt safe running safe at university and then safe at a specific area.
Speaker:They never lasted."
Speaker:So that's the context.
Speaker:So I want to respond to a couple of pieces of this.
Speaker:By the way, if you have a question for me, I love responding to questions.
Speaker:I also create episodes where I'm trying to figure out what would people
Speaker:be interested in learning about my community or my, uh, my audience.
Speaker:And then sharing about that.
Speaker:I'll keep doing those.
Speaker:It was sort of like preplanned outlined episodes, but I really like this.
Speaker:I like to read from people and answer their questions.
Speaker:That's just more exciting for me, even though it might not be great for the
Speaker:Algorithm and channel growth, but this is I like doing this So if you have
Speaker:questions put them in the comments on YouTube email me if you like to.
Speaker:I can't promise I'll get to them, but I prefer to do this than just
Speaker:try to figure out what the heck you guys want to learn about.
Speaker:The first piece of this is if we don't know what's causing the feeling
Speaker:can't we or can we not fix it?
Speaker:So on the one hand, like, yeah, of course, knowing what is
Speaker:causing anxiety is super helpful.
Speaker:If you know that heights or spiders or a certain person or just going to work, if
Speaker:you know these things cause you anxiety, then yeah, it makes it a lot easier to set
Speaker:yourself up to potentially decrease the amount of anxiety, if not eliminate it.
Speaker:altogether.
Speaker:So if you know that you're afraid of spiders, well, you don't
Speaker:go around spiders and all of a sudden you don't have anxiety.
Speaker:That pretty much solves the problem, right?
Speaker:Does it help you grow and face your fears and all that?
Speaker:No, not really, but it gets rid of the anxiety.
Speaker:So problem solved.
Speaker:If you know that you're anxious about going to work, like, I guess
Speaker:you could just stop going to work.
Speaker:Sure.
Speaker:But maybe you could start to identify, identify more in particular what
Speaker:at work is causing you anxiety.
Speaker:Maybe it's not all the work.
Speaker:Maybe it's certain people at work.
Speaker:Maybe it's because your cubicle or is, um, or your office is too cramped
Speaker:and you need to declutter and that might help to reduce your anxiety.
Speaker:Maybe you need to get up and walk in the middle of the day instead of being on
Speaker:TikTok or whatever social media platform during your 15, 30, 15 minute break.
Speaker:Maybe you need to get move around.
Speaker:So if we know the context, heck yeah, then it's a hell of a lot easier
Speaker:to address anxiety, or anger, or depression, or whatever the heck.
Speaker:But, at the same time, no, we don't need to know what's causing
Speaker:it for things to get better.
Speaker:So, like, if, let's say that work is your anxiety trigger,
Speaker:well, I guess we already know it.
Speaker:But let's say you're going to work day in, day out, and you
Speaker:have no idea why you feel anxious.
Speaker:A lot of good can come from letting yourself feel anxious
Speaker:no matter the context.
Speaker:So if you give it permission to be there, if you just give yourself permission
Speaker:to have all of your feelings, no matter what they are, that actually helps, helps
Speaker:to reduce the intensity of the feeling.
Speaker:So you can be at work without realizing that work is the trigger.
Speaker:So while you're at work, even though you're not aware that work is the
Speaker:trigger, you can still notice your feelings and then permit them to be there.
Speaker:And then listen to what your feelings need.
Speaker:And if you truly listen to what your feelings, what your body
Speaker:needs, it might tell you, get up and take a walk on our break.
Speaker:It might tell you, put the phone down, stare out the
Speaker:window and breathe mindfully.
Speaker:But you have to first acknowledge that you have anxiety and
Speaker:then permit it to be there.
Speaker:And then listen to what it needs.
Speaker:And if you listen deeply enough, it'll tell you what it needs.
Speaker:So you don't really need to know what's causing it, but your body will
Speaker:tell you that "here's the answer.
Speaker:This is what we need."
Speaker:And that can help to alleviate it.
Speaker:Well, the other issue with this question is, and actually the kind of like he
Speaker:said toward the end, which is some things help or some contexts help to reduce,
Speaker:or he's, he's, he used the word recover.
Speaker:Some contexts helped me to recover, but it's still something
Speaker:still "driving underneath."
Speaker:And that's a really big issue.
Speaker:And probably what brings people to this channel or to the political theory in
Speaker:the first place is there's something else happening within me that I don't
Speaker:know how to cope with or turn off.
Speaker:And it's never that easy in the first place.
Speaker:But it's not just like we go to a situation, we go to work, and then
Speaker:we're, well, okay, sometimes it is like we go to, we're around a spider
Speaker:and we get triggered into anxiety.
Speaker:But many people have underlying anxiety always present in their system,
Speaker:whether they're aware of it or not.
Speaker:But it's always there, at least at a low level, ready to be triggered.
Speaker:So it's just kind of lingering.
Speaker:A lot of people have that issue and that would be due to their autonomic
Speaker:nervous system being stuck, probably in a state of sympathetic flight activation.
Speaker:So even though they're not getting up and running around, the
Speaker:body is prepared to run around.
Speaker:The body is prepared to escape.
Speaker:The body is already sympathetically driven, at least a little bit.
Speaker:So it's kind of always there.
Speaker:And then when we go to that certain environment, like work or around that
Speaker:certain person, now it becomes triggered.
Speaker:It was already there.
Speaker:It was waiting.
Speaker:It was lying dormant.
Speaker:But now it's triggered by whatever
Speaker:and now we feel it.
Speaker:And now we think, well, what the heck's causing this?
Speaker:And that's a valid question.
Speaker:But also, it was already there.
Speaker:So it's not just the thing causing it.
Speaker:One may always be in a state of flight, fight, shut down, freeze.
Speaker:And so pinpointing a cause day to day is kind of a moot point.
Speaker:And of course, it has a lot to do with past, the way we were raised, the things
Speaker:we've been through, culture, family, all the, everything, religious beliefs.
Speaker:All of these things contribute to whatever state that we are
Speaker:stuck in, for better or worse.
Speaker:And that's where the question of what's causing this really falls apart.
Speaker:Because it's not just a thing causing this.
Speaker:Now we're talking about being stuck in a state of defense
Speaker:potentially for a lifetime.
Speaker:The other piece that I want to address here, and I don't think it's
Speaker:nitpicky I don't think it's me just finding a problem where it's not if
Speaker:you think so feel free to let me know in the YouTube comments or email me.
Speaker:This person and pretty much everybody I work with in therapy and as a coach
Speaker:pretty I mean, I can't think of anyone where this wasn't true They come to
Speaker:me and they want to fix how they feel.
Speaker:In no way do I blame them at all.
Speaker:And myself, I fall into this, um, thinking pattern as well.
Speaker:So it's, no one's immune to this, but the reality is that our feelings
Speaker:or emotions don't need fixing.
Speaker:When I call the podcast Stuck Not broken, I really mean it.
Speaker:I don't think anyone here is broken.
Speaker:Broken.
Speaker:And anyone listening, myself, I don't think we're broken.
Speaker:I think that we might be stuck at some point, but not broken.
Speaker:If we're broken, we need fixing.
Speaker:If we're stuck, then, well, we just need to get unstuck.
Speaker:And to continue down our path in life.
Speaker:And that's a long road, potentially.
Speaker:So, I don't think we need fixing.
Speaker:I don't think that our emotions, our thoughts, are here because we
Speaker:are broken in some way, or that we have some sort of illness.
Speaker:I I don't, I don't view things that way personally.
Speaker:So when people come to me in therapy or in coaching, they want to fix things.
Speaker:There's an obstacle there because well, you're not broken.
Speaker:And the way that you feel is damn near 100 percent of the time
Speaker:I've worked with people, a direct result of their life context.
Speaker:Is someone born more or less likely to be anxious?
Speaker:Maybe I don't, I have no way of verifying that or proving that whatsoever.
Speaker:But every time I met with someone and they tell me what they're going
Speaker:through and I learn about their history.
Speaker:Yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker:It makes sense why somebody would be stuck in a state of flight,
Speaker:fight, shut down, or freeze.
Speaker:It makes sense why they would adopt whatever coping mechanisms they
Speaker:have to deal with that stuck state.
Speaker:So what, how could we fix, it doesn't make sense to me how we could fix
Speaker:something that makes complete sense.
Speaker:It's not broken.
Speaker:You're not broken.
Speaker:Your stuck state is there for a reason.
Speaker:It's normal based on the context of your life.
Speaker:What's, I don't understand what's broken about that.
Speaker:I don't understand what needs fixing about that.
Speaker:And no, again, I don't think it's me nitpicking.
Speaker:I don't think it's me creating a problem where there is none.
Speaker:Maybe it is, but I don't think so.
Speaker:So instead of that, if we can tweak the way we think about this, and I know
Speaker:people in my email lists are going to say, Justin, you don't like it when
Speaker:people focus on thoughts as the root of the problem, I, of course I agree.
Speaker:And I don't think it's the root of the problem, but if we can reframe about
Speaker:that, we'll use a cognitive skill.
Speaker:We will reframe the need to be fixed with normalizing.
Speaker:With validating, normalizing, and even permitting how we feel, if we
Speaker:can put those cognitive skills into place, I think we're better off.
Speaker:Cause now all of a sudden our emotions are valid or we acknowledge them.
Speaker:They make sense based on the context of our life.
Speaker:That's the normalization piece.
Speaker:And we can permit them at step three, we can give them permission to be there.
Speaker:And what I find time and time and time again, whether in my Client work
Speaker:one on one or in my live cohorts that I do in my community, when we can
Speaker:validate, normalize, and actually permit our feelings to be there instead
Speaker:of trying to fix them, they actually soften, they get quote unquote better.
Speaker:They don't go away completely.
Speaker:They're not, it's not a cure, but when we go through that process, it significantly,
Speaker:time and time again, significantly reduces the intensity of what we're going
Speaker:through and it opens up some capacity to feel it, to feel, to go deeper into it,
Speaker:especially when combined with safety.
Speaker:Passive and mindfully grounding in our safety state.
Speaker:So it's I, I fixing and making things better.
Speaker:I get the sentiment.
Speaker:I don't blame anybody at all.
Speaker:We've all been there.
Speaker:Again, no one's immune to this, but if we can do a reframe here.
Speaker:So instead of fixing, it's actually, I'm just stuck.
Speaker:And if you're into this polyvagal stuff, like I am that stuck message
Speaker:should really resonate with you.
Speaker:So I would invite you to take that seriously.
Speaker:I would invite you to, to reframe that.
Speaker:And if you can do that now, all of a sudden, can you validate how you feel?
Speaker:Just acknowledge it.
Speaker:Can you normalize how you feel based on the context of your life?
Speaker:And then can you give permission to how you feel?
Speaker:And if you can do that, especially when combined with safety, all of
Speaker:a sudden now you have a potential to listen to your body, to feel
Speaker:deeply what you're going through and then to act on those underlying
Speaker:sensations and impulses that come along with your stuck defensive state.
Speaker:This is very top level, high level understanding of it.
Speaker:Way more involved, um, the process of validating, normalizing, and
Speaker:permitting the process of feeling into your stuck defensive state.
Speaker:There's a lot of pieces that I can't go over here, but that's the,
Speaker:that's the broad overview of it.
Speaker:I guess the, at a minimum, if you could take something away from this
Speaker:is you're not, you're not broken.
Speaker:You are stuck like all of us on some level where we have some level of stuckness.
Speaker:You're stuck with the potential to get unstuck, not broken
Speaker:and desperate for fixing.
Speaker:Take that out- hopefully you take that reframe.
Speaker:And the other piece of this is that knowing the why of
Speaker:something can be really helpful.
Speaker:Is it necessary?
Speaker:No, not really.
Speaker:And even when I work with my clients one on one, they always say, I don't know why.
Speaker:I don't know why I feel this way.
Speaker:I don't know why.
Speaker:We always figure it out.
Speaker:But, um, They say, I don't know why.
Speaker:And I'll tell them, we don't need to know why.
Speaker:We just need to know what you feel in the present moment.
Speaker:And that's, we got lots to work with right there.
Speaker:As we feel things in the present moment, the why of it becomes a lot more clear.
Speaker:Memories will start to come up, feelings, old feelings.
Speaker:Those things start to come up, but in the present moment, if we can get to just
Speaker:what you feel without making it go away, trying to make it go away, without judging
Speaker:it, without minimizing it, if we can get to how you feel in the present moment,
Speaker:there's so much there to work with.
Speaker:The why of it is still important, but it's not necessary.
Speaker:Alright, that's it.
Speaker:Thank you to this person for messaging this and letting me use it as a little
Speaker:prompt to create an episode around.
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