Welcome to Hip Hop Movie Club.
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One week ago today, as we were recording,
our man Professor Andrew Macintosh,
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aka DJ ARM 18 brought the legendary Chuck
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D of Public Enemy fame to the campus
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of Northampton Community College
in Bethlehem for a discussion.
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This was the capstone event
for the college's 2024 annual Humanities
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theme, 50 Years Down the Line
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A Celebration of Hip
Hop History and Culture.
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Did I get that right?
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That's right.
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Okay. With us also now is our man, D.J.
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Cap Cee who was on the wheels of steel
before and after the event.
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Yes, sir. JB, take it away.
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Yeah. So first off. Holy crap.
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Guys, Chuck D in, you know, blue collar
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Bethlehem, free with meet and greets.
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What a night.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you so much.
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as I was saying, you're making Bethlehem
the epicenter of hip hop.
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I mean, this is on the heels
of a successful event
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with bringing Grandmaster Caz and Cold
Crush Brothers a couple months back,
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and it was the event
where Chuck D was just
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widely attended, and he was so gracious
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to, like, stay behind and meet
and greet people afterwards.
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Pictures
shaking hands, chatting with people.
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So thank you
for bringing him to the masses here.
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listen, 100%. You're welcome.
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Thank you for for being a big part of,
supporting it and spreading the word.
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And of course, of course,
we were fanboys like, oh my God.
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so first question are,
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how did you decide to target
Chuck D as a speaker for this event?
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I was I put together
a list of people, and, you know, I,
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I was bouncing ideas off of,
you know, heads like Cap
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and so on where we would just kind of
rattle off people we knew that
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were on the circuit or we know
would be an interesting interview.
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couple of factors came into
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play and that was like, you know, budget
and so on.
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was first
and foremost kind of drove things.
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I was, I was I want to say that Questlove
was probably someone that I was kind of
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first thinking about, but,
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I learned early on through the,
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the booking agencies
that we were working with that
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his availability is, is, is is nil
and his cost is huge.
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So that was kind of out of the question.
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and we, we kicked around other guys.
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I would I don't know
if you remember those conversations.
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I remember Wolf was in town, right?
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We started kicking around back when,
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when he was visiting and
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I think we were also
thinking about mass appeal to,
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you know, like, there's tons of different,
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performing artists and rappers and MCs
I would love to interview,
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but I don't necessarily know if they would
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like broadly appeal.
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You know.
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Yeah.
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I think, I think we were toying around
with, you know,
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obviously KRS his name came into the fold.
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you know, we were trying to,
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KRS was here
and he actually he was here a while ago.
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he was at Lehigh. And,
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so I think Chuck D,
I think we just kind of basically.
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And I think it was more u than anything,
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that basically was like, you know,
I think he would be the perfect fit.
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and, and you know what?
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And he was
he basically was the perfect fit. So,
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you know, I want to give out,
first of all, let's do this.
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I don't want to say this right now
off the bat.
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like, seriously, I'm going to give you
your flowers, like, because
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in this past year alone, you did so much
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with,
you know, with Northampton on your side
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and trying to get these events going
and you brought me into the fold with it,
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and I helped you out, you know, with
what I could do and be there for. And,
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I just want to I just want to say
thank you for that opportunity
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because that that was just so dope that,
you know, everything came to fruition.
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you know, we did we had to do
we worked through it
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and it just, you know, it popped off.
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So, you know, everything
from the beginnings,
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you know, right to,
you know, Grandmaster Caz and
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you know, and and, you know, and then
obviously with Chuck D at the end.
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So I just want to give you flowers
on that and just, you know,
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and, you know,
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I think overall just the
I wouldn't even say Bethlehem, but just
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Lehigh Valley as an overall,
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you know, they know about us.
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They've been here, they've toured here,
they've done shows out here.
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They know about these places.
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And I think it was just real dope.
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to show them again, like, hey,
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you know,
we're a viable location for them and,
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you know, and a lot of these people,
you know, we've we've, you know,
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we've now, have garnered relationships
with these people.
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And, you know, there is things
there talks for future stuff now.
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And, you know, things that, you know, me
and ARM have talked about now that maybe
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we should, you know, for the future about,
you know, where we're going to go and
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but overall, man, thanks.
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You know,
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I just want to give you your flowers on
that brother because you, you definitely
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you and you went through a lot to like,
you know, personally.
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You know what
I'm going to talk about personal.
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But you did go through a lot personally
and still to, you know,
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come through and persevere
with all this stuff happening.
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I mean, that's it
speaks volumes about you, brother. So,
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yeah, I appreciate you, man,
for saying that and being down
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since day one on this when we were just
kind of kicking around these ideas.
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it's it's a good reminder
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the way that you talked about August
and where we were and where we began.
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It was kind of humble, like we just
we kicked it off with a party,
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you know, Music fest.
And that was really live.
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And it had a really good energy.
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And we, we took
we took that little four elements
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party to our,
you know, Northampton's college campus.
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And I thought those were pretty dope.
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There was that one day you remember it was
like 96 degrees and yeah, like we were.
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So it's like
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we we really did put in the work for it.
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And then, you know, it came to fruition.
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And so I like how, you know,
I know you call it the capstone event.
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That's a good way to put it.
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Chuck came
and kind of tied everything together.
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And I thought, like,
his talk too, was unintentionally kind of
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about the origins of hip hop,
which is kind of
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what we've been focusing on all year,
which was perfect.
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You know.
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So what was that process like?
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So you decide Chuck D's the person.
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How long did it take
before you could officially announce
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that it was in,
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We put in solicitations
almost a year ago at this time.
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And it takes it took 2 to 3 months
to just hear back tour.
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And we got the
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we got the,
we think this could work in early July.
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And we talked with the, with management
and the booking agents in mid-July.
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And then I think it was like right before,
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our first event on
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August 11th at Music Fest,
like the week before,
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we got the message that everything
worked out like schedule wise, etc.
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there was a date that would work,
the price was agreed upon,
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and it was like, awesome.
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And so we could informally tell people,
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yeah, we've got Chuck D coming, you know,
but we couldn't really formally
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do any advertising or marketing
until other things were in place.
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And that wasn't until the fall.
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So it's like,
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you know,
I have a little bit of familiarity
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in this business, but I think we, we,
we all sometimes forget as, as
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we are our fans and consumers,
and we love the culture.
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But, you know, the machine behind
all of this, you know, is
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big and vast, moves slowly
but very deliberately and effectively.
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Was part of it.
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And Chuck is a testament to that.
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Why? He's
one of the, you know, half a dozen
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to a dozen hip hop artists from that era
that still represents and can like,
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you know, pull up a thousand people
on a Tuesday night by just talking.
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You know what I'm saying?
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because he is
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it's not only the show part he's got down,
he's got the business part down as well,
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you know,
but you'd never guess that because
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I think, JB, you had said it,
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all the credit to the world to Chuck D for
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being a very gracious and kind
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and just an everyday guy like that.
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That was the amazing
and disarming part about it.
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Whether he was talking to someone,
a student, the president of the college,
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US or whatever,
he was always on the same, same level.
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You know?
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Right on.
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What was your biggest takeaway
from the actual conversation with Chuck D?
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I mean, we found him to be
very insightful, engaging, inspirational.
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Like, what was your biggest takeaway?
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my biggest takeaway was that
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Chuck has,
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he gets he's very passionate
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and and sitting next to him,
I could kind of feel the part
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where it was like a casual back and forth,
and I would almost say the first
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15 minutes to a half hour would just real.
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The energy with him was pretty casual.
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And it was cool was, you know,
breaking me in pretty good, you know?
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But then he started talking like
as we got talking about his the history,
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like at Adelphi University where
Spectrum City, the DJ crew he belonged to,
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how they came together, the music
they were playing,
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the early hip hop years.
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He got very passionate.
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You I remember like at one point
I remember he bellowed into the mic
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and I was like,
yeah, this is what it's like to be.
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I felt that too.
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I remember that moment.
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I'm like this, that that's the Chuck
we hear on record and like, it's
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coming out, you know?
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and that was
that was really cool to behold.
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You know, how he,
he kind of regulates and manages that.
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I want to give props to the students
we brought on stage
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who asked a variety of questions
at the end, in particular,
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a student of mine named Andra
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asked him about his graphic novels
and his creative process and his shift.
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His energy shifted and he got very,
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personal as he talked
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about what what went
into the making of that graphic novel?
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I was joking with her afterwards.
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I was like, you know,
I was on stage with him for an hour.
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I didn't get anything like that with him.
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Like, you know,
all all the all the credit goes to her
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for doing some research and,
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you know, about a specific topic
in, in his,
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in his art history,
you know, beyond the music is his graphic
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novel work and some of the ideas
that go into that graphic novel.
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And she, she,
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she had them open, in my opinion,
it was a pretty it was a pretty honest,
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and authentic moment
and cool to to to experience that.
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I want to follow up on that.
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So you picked the students and
they generated the question themselves.
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what was the process
for picking the students?
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They were terrific.
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all four of them dig it.
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you know, I, I just
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higher ed,
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you know, the, the most important
relationship in higher ed and,
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you know, it's it's not the administration
and it's not the faculty chairs,
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and it's just student teachers
that's doesn't
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nothing else goes on
without students and teachers.
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So I always felt like I wanted,
you know, student involvement
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in this event where they were visible,
not just in the audience. And,
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we kind of put out feelers
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with other professors
or I myself in my classroom,
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about students that were kind of a
cut above the rest, you know what I mean?
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Like they just were ready and willing
to kind of take on the challenge
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of speaking in front of a thousand people,
meeting someone like Chuck D.
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you know, they didn't
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necessarily have to be, like,
hip hop heads or like Public Enemy fans.
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I was I was looking for people
who are who were interested in,
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the production of culture and talking
about hip hop music and American history,
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you know,
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and all those students fit the bill,
and they all kind of approached it
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in their own different way.
So it was pretty cool.
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Because that's a tough
that can be tough for people of that age
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because Chuck D isn't of their era,
you know.
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(Right.)
That's that's our music from 30 years ago.
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Thirty years. Ago.
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It would have been like
if I was in high school or college
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and I got to interview
like Smokey Robinson or something.
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Yeah.
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And it'd be like, oh,
I know who this guy is.
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But like I don't, you know, and.
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You know go up to them. Right.
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They didn't grow up with them
and they may not actually know who he is.
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So you know kudos to them
for having some sense of history. And
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you know, American history.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I mean, in the magnitude of this event
bringing Chuck D,
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I was trying to equate it to sports
because my family's,
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you know, heavily into sports.
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I was like telling my son I was like,
this is like LeBron James
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or a Kobe Bryant or like a Michael Jordan
type figure of hip hop.
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And he knows it like he's like,
this is amazing.
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Like it was just that big.
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Like.
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I'll give you I'll give you another,
I'll give you another player.
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Come.
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Yeah I would say Barkley that's.
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You know, I mean that's a good one.
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Yeah. Yeah yeah.
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Because he's vocal right.
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If he's vocal and he has a presence.
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Yeah. Presence.
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And you know like Chuck has a couple
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platinum albums but it's like it's a it's
a different thing.
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It's not
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I mean when we think about Charles Barkley
we think now we think about
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kind of everything he's done right from
from Auburn to where he's at now.
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And I think Chuck D's similar.
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It's like,
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I mean, if somebody's like,
yo and be honest, like ten years ago,
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you remember Peter Rosenberg on
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hot 97
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was like, yo, Chuck D hasn't done
much for the culture lately.
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And he got, you know, Rosenberg
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got railroaded for saying things like that
because it's like, you don't understand.
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Like, this is a dude that's operating
above and beyond, like, what's hot?
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Like, whatever's the hottest new thing
being released.
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Yeah, he's really expanded his vision
of what
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Public Enemy is
and honestly, what hip hop can be.
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and so that's why I would compare him
to Barkley in that sense.
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Like, yeah, he may not have six rings, but
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I mean, we all know Sir
Charles, Sir Charles, he bald.
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He bald in his day
and he's still doing his thing.
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It's funny
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because Chuck D references
Charles Barkley in Rebel Without a Pause.
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He actually says something
like Slam like Barkley. Yeah.
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you're.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Throw it down your face like Barkley.
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You're,
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I honestly like, I guess
some other voices, like Boogie and Cap.
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Like,
what was your takeaways from the speech?
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Because it was impactful.
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I want to kind of paint a picture
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for the listeners
that may not have been able to attend.
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Like, how impactful was a speech to you?
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Like what was key takeaways.
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Boogie, why don't you go first
and we’ll ask Cap as well?
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So so I was trying to think about
what I would say was my
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my thoughts on his speech,
but I think he was very, insightful.
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And I like how he spoke.
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he spoke not just to the fans,
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but he spoke directly
to the students as well.
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he spoke about the importance
of taking advantage
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of being in a place of higher education.
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Educate yourself
while you have the time and the place
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and the means and the people around you
that are willing to impart
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that knowledge to you,
take advantage of it.
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this this is a time and a place
where you can
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you can grab hold of
yourself and ground yourself.
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and I also like how,
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he spoke also see young people as far as,
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getting involved,
you know, he said, you know,
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you know,
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people have the apathy about,
you know, becoming
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involved in the political process
or the political machine.
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And he was saying how.
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It's okay to, to to want to
to want to be a part of it.
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But it's also up to,
you know, people of our generation
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to make sure that it's okay for them
to, to, to want to do it.
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And if you don't, you're constantly
have you lost and floating along.
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And it's not a good thing.
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You know, take advantage of you know,
where you are
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in your in a stage
in life, in and get involved in, in.
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Don't sit on a side
and then wonder what's going on
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because sooner or later
you'll be in your 40s. Like what happened,
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you know, and I just,
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I just like I just like that,
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you know, I'm always I'm all about,
you know,
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each one teach one
educating youth and empowering them.
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So anytime anyone can use it, always,
you know, take them
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on my little heartstrings a little bit.
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Can you?
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so, I mean,
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a lot of things, actually,
to be honest with you,
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the one that.
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Yeah, he, you know, Boogie touched upon,
it was the fact of,
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how he, you know, told these students
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the importance of,
you know, what, where you're at
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and how you should take advantage of it.
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you know, I've been to some,
you know, some Q and A's where,
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you know, with certain hip hop artists
where they've kind of downplayed,
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you know, you know,
kind of like schools and stuff like that
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and talk about how to be in a system
and everything, you know.
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But I think,
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I think it was kind of surprising to me
in a way where Chuck actually praised it,
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and said, you know, you, I mean, he,
he use it.
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He gave you two levels of it where
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it's like, learn, you know,
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you're here, learn, but it's also on you.
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Because, remember,
school is a big business.
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And you know, just like,
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yeah, you know,
if you don't make it and you fail
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and you or you leave the next day,
they don't care
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because they got somebody else coming in
right after you the next year.
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So the whole thing,
it's like for him to really put that,
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put it on the student to be like, look,
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you know, this is now on you
because you're paying for this.
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You know what I mean?
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Maybe some of you got scholarships
or whatever, but some of them don't.
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And it's all tuition that they're going
to, you know, be paying for a while.
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So it's like
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if you're going
to be putting all this money into this
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or spending all this money, like make it
something that's going to be worth.
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So you're going to use in the future for
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or viable for your,
you know, for your future.
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And I think that was really dope that
he stressed that I was very surprised,
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to be honest.
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I thought he's going to come out
on some straight up political, you know,
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you know, after system
that Prez, you know, here we go.
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Like it's like, you know, I was like
I was selling I was selling arm.
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I was like, I'm
going to play these schools.
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But that was.
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Like.
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not just.
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Like, you know, but he,
he didn't he that he, you know,
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I think it was dope knowing that
he has a background, you know, and
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and went to Delphi, graduated and,
you know, did what he did.
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So I think that's I think it was also dope
saying the fact that he got
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he flunked out and came back.
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You know what I mean?
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I think it's important
that people know, like, you know,
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you know,
if you first you don't succeed, try again.
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So I think that was dope too.
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That type of message, him being like,
yeah, I, I messed up, I flunked out.
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But I came back and do what I had to do.
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And you know, obviously,
you know, he went from there.
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The biggest takeaway
for me to be real with you is that,
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he was the set up for
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what is known
as the drawing board, for Def Jam.
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That is insane,
because the drawing board is
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basically anything you saw on Def Jam,
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be it from album covers to logos
to, you know, whatever.
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That was all the drawing board.
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So, I mean, me, as I went to school,
I went to High School of Art design,
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and I was,
you know, going to school for art.
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I was doing commercial, art and,
cartooning.
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I was majoring in that,
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knowing that he was a part of that,
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and he was instrumental in the beginning
of that in the early stages of Def Jam
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and then eventually drawing board,
becoming what it was.
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I mean, that that to me was like, wow.
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Because like, from an artists perspective,
that to me was just huge to hear,
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you know, because you know, that that
really got to me because I was like, wow.
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Like, I have total respect
for the drawing board.
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I mean, any album cover
from basically from 88 to 94,
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95, I mean, that was that's
all drawing board, Def Jam and like,
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you know, those are iconic album covers,
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you know, or even details or whatever
was done on the album cover itself.
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And what was dope was when, you know,
I gave him my, 340 fives,
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which somebody told me not to.
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Okay.
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And then it came out to be
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one of the dopest parts of the night that.
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So I had my three.
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I had my 45 of Public
Enemy handed it to him.
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He like freaked out.
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He was like, look, I told you, we got 45.
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It was dope.
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Was he started to break it down to me
and like, look, I designed this.
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This is what I did here.
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Like, you know, just to know
that he designed those,
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those iconic
12 inch or 7 inch covers that I have.
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I mean, that just means like, wow, like,
that's crazy.
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Like he did.
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He did a lot.
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And it's and you know, and it's like,
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and it's so dope to know that somebody
like him like to be real with you.
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That inspired me a lot right now.
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Like, you know, after seeing him,
you know, I actually,
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you know, I ended up, you know, I,
I was at a Comic-Con and I started looking
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at comic books again and started
looking at drawings again and artwork.
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And I came home
and were sketching again and,
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you know, so for me, man, like,
that was just dope inspiration,
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like just coming out of the woodwork that,
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you know, I was just looking forward
to being like, yo, Chuck D, that's it.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, chuck these here and like,
meaning my icon, like my iconic hero.
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And next, you know,
now I'm being inspired again.
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Like a second wind of like, man, like,
that's really dope.
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Like,
I didn't even know to be real with you.
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I'm kind of upset at myself that I didn't
even know he did a graphic novel,
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of apocalypse 91.
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And then Malik's there with it.
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Malik's showing it to me,
and I'm just there like, wow,
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I didn't even know he had that. So,
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I mean, it was dope. Dope.
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That was that was dope that, you know,
he just, you know,
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like all those
all those things that he has been doing
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since the P stuff like that
was pretty dope to know.
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Like it was eye opening
and also like, wow.
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Like that's pretty cool.
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Like just getting that vibe from him
and overall real
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grill,
real real down to earth humble homie.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, just I just came off the bat like,
you know,
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I mean, I'm, you're talking to a guy
that I've seen him all.
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I've hung out with him all, you know,
I mean, and there's like, maybe,
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I mean, I could count maybe on both hands
how many have been, like, so humble.
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And he's definitely one of them.
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Like,
he was so, you know, so accommodating,
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so gracious, so very cool with everybody.
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He was right off the bat
just being you know,
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you know he could have came in being no.
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Ten and have no smile.
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You know what I mean?
469
00:23:42,666 --> 00:23:44,208
Like he could have came that way
470
00:23:44,208 --> 00:23:46,041
and we would have been like,
yeah, that's cool. That's Chuck D.
471
00:23:46,041 --> 00:23:48,000
Like, we ain't gonna say shit to him,
you know what I mean?
472
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,000
But he had a smile the whole time and,
473
00:23:51,416 --> 00:23:54,041
you know, he was shaking hands
with everybody, hugging everybody.
474
00:23:54,041 --> 00:23:56,333
And I was just like,
wow, that's what's up. That's dope.
475
00:23:56,333 --> 00:23:59,958
So and you know, somebody in his age
because sometimes, you know,
476
00:24:00,541 --> 00:24:01,833
you don't say, you know how they say.
477
00:24:01,833 --> 00:24:03,250
And sometimes
you want to meet your heroes.
478
00:24:03,250 --> 00:24:04,291
You know what I mean?
479
00:24:04,291 --> 00:24:05,875
You know, because you never know.
480
00:24:05,875 --> 00:24:08,125
You know, you going to get you know,
you going to be like, oh, man.
481
00:24:08,125 --> 00:24:10,375
And I and I've met people like that.
I've met people.
482
00:24:10,375 --> 00:24:13,333
But I was like totally disappointed
after meeting him.
483
00:24:13,333 --> 00:24:18,083
So but so, you know, and somebody
could have easily landed on that.
484
00:24:18,083 --> 00:24:22,208
He could have been, maybe had an off day
and been mad pro political
485
00:24:22,208 --> 00:24:25,375
and being like, you know,
like being on some crazy, you know.
486
00:24:25,375 --> 00:24:26,916
But he wasn't he was very,
487
00:24:26,916 --> 00:24:31,041
very, very accommodating, very doe,
very gracious and everything gracious is,
488
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,208
I think, the word that all
489
00:24:33,208 --> 00:24:37,041
of us were using, you know, when it comes
to, you know, defining him that day.
490
00:24:37,041 --> 00:24:40,041
So and he definitely, you know.
491
00:24:42,875 --> 00:24:45,458
You generate any reflections of your own.
492
00:24:45,458 --> 00:24:47,916
Yeah. Cap set it.
493
00:24:47,916 --> 00:24:49,250
he was inspirational.
494
00:24:49,250 --> 00:24:53,416
And I had a similar reaction about like,
oh, I got to meet Chuck D.
495
00:24:53,458 --> 00:24:54,750
That would have been like it.
496
00:24:54,750 --> 00:24:57,625
But then I got, I went home
with so many notes in my notebook
497
00:24:57,625 --> 00:24:59,500
and so many things I think about.
498
00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:03,250
And, one of them being
he did, took a question
499
00:25:03,250 --> 00:25:06,416
from the student that was about in
what we do about younger artists.
500
00:25:06,416 --> 00:25:09,458
And he brought out this prison metaphor
that he was
501
00:25:09,458 --> 00:25:12,500
being a prism to shine
light on other people and younger artists.
502
00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:13,541
I thought, wow,
503
00:25:14,833 --> 00:25:15,833
it like
504
00:25:15,833 --> 00:25:19,375
made the prism go off in my head
like, whoa, that's what I'm doing with,
505
00:25:19,791 --> 00:25:23,666
you know, whatever things that I'm doing
in, in higher ed and then and the podcast
506
00:25:23,666 --> 00:25:24,166
and everything.
507
00:25:24,166 --> 00:25:29,125
So I walked away a lot more inspired
inspire than I thought I was going to be.
508
00:25:29,125 --> 00:25:30,958
Just meeting my hero.
509
00:25:30,958 --> 00:25:33,958
literally hit what?
510
00:25:34,625 --> 00:25:35,041
Yeah.
511
00:25:35,041 --> 00:25:37,708
If I could share a couple reflections.
512
00:25:37,708 --> 00:25:39,208
Yeah.
513
00:25:39,208 --> 00:25:42,291
You know, listen, the Public Enemy,
you grow up and it's something
514
00:25:42,291 --> 00:25:44,250
you never heard, and it's very militant,
515
00:25:44,250 --> 00:25:47,250
you know, with the way they perform
and his crew
516
00:25:48,416 --> 00:25:51,416
and all this stuff and.
517
00:25:51,625 --> 00:25:52,500
You, you kind of.
518
00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:53,375
You don't know what to expect.
519
00:25:53,375 --> 00:25:55,166
You're like, is he going to come out
like that? Like you said, cab.
520
00:25:55,166 --> 00:25:57,291
And then it's like, man,
what a renaissance.
521
00:25:57,291 --> 00:25:58,375
He's like a Renaissance man,
522
00:25:58,375 --> 00:26:02,125
you know, he he's done
the graphic novels, he's done emceeing.
523
00:26:03,708 --> 00:26:04,791
I would never think
524
00:26:04,791 --> 00:26:08,375
he would mention Pilates and like, his
his spiritual journey a little bit.
525
00:26:08,541 --> 00:26:10,708
That's how. He got.
526
00:26:10,708 --> 00:26:13,500
You know. Yeah.
527
00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:15,541
I was like, well, what's this all about?
528
00:26:15,541 --> 00:26:18,541
It's probably like the Rick Rubin effect,
you know, the Zen master.
529
00:26:19,166 --> 00:26:22,166
But it was like all these little,
530
00:26:22,708 --> 00:26:24,833
bits of inspiration and,
531
00:26:24,833 --> 00:26:27,875
these nuggets and gems of wisdom.
532
00:26:27,875 --> 00:26:29,125
I was like, wow.
533
00:26:29,125 --> 00:26:31,041
Like, this guy is like, unreal.
534
00:26:31,041 --> 00:26:35,333
I just when you think it's just like,
all right, is it a hip hop legend?
535
00:26:36,625 --> 00:26:40,125
He's inspiring kids to, you know,
take advantage of the facilities.
536
00:26:40,333 --> 00:26:41,541
He's, you know, go to library.
537
00:26:41,541 --> 00:26:45,125
He's talking about when he grew up
and Bill Russell story, who was his hero
538
00:26:45,125 --> 00:26:48,041
and how he fell in love with libraries
go there every single day.
539
00:26:48,041 --> 00:26:49,708
And he talked about
scholars are the people
540
00:26:49,708 --> 00:26:53,000
that that read everything,
not just what their what they like
541
00:26:53,458 --> 00:26:58,250
and have and be a citizen of the world
and like have a friend in another country
542
00:26:58,250 --> 00:27:02,750
and like, think bigger and get out
of your comfort zone and all that stuff.
543
00:27:02,750 --> 00:27:06,250
And I'm like, wow, this,
this is amazing for like, you know.
544
00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:07,916
Inspirational. Yeah.
545
00:27:08,875 --> 00:27:09,541
Yeah.
546
00:27:09,541 --> 00:27:12,041
Exactly.
547
00:27:12,041 --> 00:27:13,833
Yeah.
548
00:27:13,833 --> 00:27:14,541
There was one.
549
00:27:14,541 --> 00:27:18,916
There was one more thing though,
that that really touched me about him too.
550
00:27:18,916 --> 00:27:20,875
And it's not even about what he said,
551
00:27:20,875 --> 00:27:24,375
but it was at the end when we were
all lined up to take our pictures,
552
00:27:25,083 --> 00:27:28,583
and I knew that there was a long line,
so I wasn't trying to hold up the line
553
00:27:28,583 --> 00:27:30,083
or anything like that.
554
00:27:30,083 --> 00:27:33,083
And we took our,
you know, we we took our picture wisdom.
555
00:27:33,250 --> 00:27:37,416
And I know my brother, man, I wanted to
get a all picture and I think he heard me.
556
00:27:37,791 --> 00:27:39,166
He's like, come on, let's do it.
557
00:27:39,166 --> 00:27:41,166
I'm like, what? How what?
558
00:27:41,166 --> 00:27:44,416
Like and I actually got to take a picture
with him, like,
559
00:27:44,416 --> 00:27:48,041
because I mean like
chug the like for me like
560
00:27:49,375 --> 00:27:52,000
he the lyrics made me.
561
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,708
They reinforced my, my desire to learn
562
00:27:54,708 --> 00:27:58,791
because if you like listening
to the lyrics and he's name dropping
563
00:27:59,125 --> 00:28:02,125
his name in different situations,
different instances, different,
564
00:28:03,125 --> 00:28:06,291
atrocities as things like that
have happened throughout history.
565
00:28:06,708 --> 00:28:09,000
And you hear him,
you're like, well, what is that about?
566
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,333
So immediately, like,
I'm trying to look up these,
567
00:28:11,333 --> 00:28:13,583
these, these things or whatever
he's talking about.
568
00:28:13,583 --> 00:28:16,500
So I'm learning about this stuff,
like some of this stuff
569
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:19,958
is, you know, the teachers taught
and some of the stuff he was never taught.
570
00:28:20,458 --> 00:28:23,708
But it's funny because like, now
as an adult, like some of this stuff that
571
00:28:24,083 --> 00:28:25,916
I hear people talk about like,
yeah, I've never heard about it.
572
00:28:25,916 --> 00:28:29,000
I'm like, man, I heard about that
when I was like eighth grade or something.
573
00:28:29,666 --> 00:28:31,833
And it's because I heard sugar
mentioned it in a wrong.
574
00:28:31,833 --> 00:28:34,833
I ran and looked it up
to see who he was talking about.
575
00:28:35,250 --> 00:28:38,125
You know, what situations
the things he was talking about.
576
00:28:38,125 --> 00:28:41,083
So, you know, it was
it was like, you know, that was
577
00:28:41,083 --> 00:28:43,625
that was very meaningful
for me to to have that.
578
00:28:43,625 --> 00:28:45,625
He was just like, well, okay,
come on, let's hurry up.
579
00:28:45,625 --> 00:28:47,500
Let's do this, let's do this.
580
00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:50,500
And he was like you said, the humility
and the humbleness.
581
00:28:50,666 --> 00:28:53,833
You know that, like, all right, man, God,
I go here, you go like go ahead.
582
00:28:54,208 --> 00:28:56,750
He's like, come on. No, no, let's do this.
You know that.
583
00:28:56,750 --> 00:28:57,875
That touched me, man.
584
00:28:57,875 --> 00:29:00,208
The music historian, American historian,
585
00:29:01,791 --> 00:29:04,166
black culture.
586
00:29:04,166 --> 00:29:06,500
and he was like self-deprecating humor
a little bit, too,
587
00:29:06,500 --> 00:29:09,833
which was awesome because he was like, I'm
a country guy.
588
00:29:09,833 --> 00:29:12,958
And I was like, I didn't even know why
I had two turntables.
589
00:29:12,958 --> 00:29:15,958
Maybe one's a backup
in case the other one breaks down.
590
00:29:16,375 --> 00:29:19,250
Like, I'm like, are you serious?
591
00:29:19,250 --> 00:29:21,958
Like, that was Elvis alive?
592
00:29:21,958 --> 00:29:23,458
It was a backup.
593
00:29:23,458 --> 00:29:26,250
Amazing. It's amazing.
594
00:29:26,250 --> 00:29:28,250
Yeah, that was a true.
595
00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:30,875
Yeah, but.
596
00:29:30,875 --> 00:29:33,875
So have you, tap or have you got.
597
00:29:33,916 --> 00:29:36,916
Had either of you guys
met Chuck D before last week
598
00:29:37,833 --> 00:29:38,458
in any.
599
00:29:38,458 --> 00:29:43,583
I met him when I was 15,
at Lincoln University at a at a okay.
600
00:29:44,166 --> 00:29:46,708
At a an event in a,
601
00:29:46,708 --> 00:29:50,541
you know, an auditorium,
probably 100 people or what have you.
602
00:29:50,541 --> 00:29:56,208
And that was that was that like fear
of a black planet time and, you know,
603
00:29:56,208 --> 00:30:00,625
and also I just another thing is like hip
hop was on the margins at the time.
604
00:30:00,625 --> 00:30:02,708
So it wasn't like
605
00:30:03,958 --> 00:30:04,916
it wasn't like he was a
606
00:30:04,916 --> 00:30:08,375
marquee name,
so to speak, the way that he is now,
607
00:30:08,666 --> 00:30:09,500
you know,
608
00:30:09,500 --> 00:30:11,333
it's like you had to know
about Public Enemy,
609
00:30:11,333 --> 00:30:14,333
sort of like Boogie was saying,
like you had to go learn about this stuff.
610
00:30:14,333 --> 00:30:18,500
You know, that's what I think, that
hip hop of that era was,
611
00:30:18,541 --> 00:30:22,041
was really great
at was it, it required you
612
00:30:22,041 --> 00:30:25,041
to kind of dig in and,
613
00:30:25,166 --> 00:30:26,833
he, he was there with Harry Allen.
614
00:30:26,833 --> 00:30:27,750
That's that's why I met.
615
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:32,541
I mean, I met him, I got his his autograph
and it was, it was,
616
00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:35,875
he was in it.
617
00:30:35,875 --> 00:30:36,750
You know, it's interesting
618
00:30:36,750 --> 00:30:39,875
hearing you guys say, like,
which persona was going to arrive.
619
00:30:40,666 --> 00:30:44,875
When I think back to that,
that time in 1991, I think it is.
620
00:30:44,875 --> 00:30:46,708
Yeah. 90, 90, 91,
621
00:30:48,375 --> 00:30:50,000
like the, the Chuck
622
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,125
S1W like, showed up like it was a pretty
623
00:30:54,083 --> 00:30:57,083
it was a pretty like,
624
00:30:57,666 --> 00:31:00,041
I don't know what the word is for it,
you know, like,
625
00:31:00,041 --> 00:31:02,625
I don't want to say confrontational,
626
00:31:02,625 --> 00:31:05,333
but, like, you know, it was also Lehigh
in the, like, early 90s.
627
00:31:05,333 --> 00:31:07,875
So, like, I remember somebody heckling him
or whatever.
628
00:31:07,875 --> 00:31:09,916
And like, he was like, you know what?
629
00:31:09,916 --> 00:31:12,750
You know, I've spoken enough.
I'm gonna turn it over to Harry Allen.
630
00:31:12,750 --> 00:31:16,916
And Harry Allen's also like,
you know, we think of him as the punchline
631
00:31:16,916 --> 00:31:20,791
and don't believe the hype,
but like, is it he's a established
632
00:31:20,791 --> 00:31:25,041
journalist and historian
and he's also very adept at interviews.
633
00:31:25,041 --> 00:31:28,750
And he took over the the end of the talk.
634
00:31:29,458 --> 00:31:32,458
And, kind of people,
635
00:31:32,583 --> 00:31:35,791
it was kind of wild, you know,
they that, you know.
636
00:31:35,791 --> 00:31:39,333
So, yeah, that I had
I had a little bit of experience before.
637
00:31:39,458 --> 00:31:40,583
Before. I don't know, cap.
638
00:31:40,583 --> 00:31:42,291
Had you come across some that.
639
00:31:42,291 --> 00:31:43,833
I never came across Chuck at all.
640
00:31:45,208 --> 00:31:48,833
I actually I think
the closer that came at Chuck was actually
641
00:31:48,958 --> 00:31:51,958
I threw a party with, Flavor Flav.
642
00:31:53,333 --> 00:31:56,125
that was kind of it. So,
643
00:31:56,125 --> 00:31:58,375
so, I mean, you know,
finally got the connection I got.
644
00:31:58,375 --> 00:32:01,625
I had slave threw a party with me,
and now I have.
645
00:32:02,166 --> 00:32:06,708
And I'm deejay and a Chuck D, Q
and A, so I mean, that was the connection.
646
00:32:07,958 --> 00:32:10,958
but not, I definitely didn't have it,
647
00:32:11,166 --> 00:32:14,208
with him and stuff. but.
648
00:32:14,833 --> 00:32:17,875
Part of the reason why I picked him,
though, is that he has developed
649
00:32:17,875 --> 00:32:20,875
a reputation of being approachable.
650
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:24,083
And in all of our conversations
651
00:32:24,083 --> 00:32:27,291
about what we were with, with management,
about what we wanted to
652
00:32:27,291 --> 00:32:30,458
do, like the access part was a big deal
for me, you know, like,
653
00:32:30,458 --> 00:32:35,125
I just wanted to demystify,
if you will, a little bit like, you know,
654
00:32:36,291 --> 00:32:37,625
these people are human beings.
655
00:32:37,625 --> 00:32:41,458
They're just like you
and I like and create some connection.
656
00:32:41,458 --> 00:32:44,125
It's like finding the right artists
who can convey that.
657
00:32:44,125 --> 00:32:45,708
And Chuck D was that dude.
658
00:32:45,708 --> 00:32:47,333
And that's it's my understanding.
659
00:32:47,333 --> 00:32:50,708
That's kind of how he's been rolling
for the last ten years or so, maybe more.
660
00:32:50,708 --> 00:32:56,291
But like, no doubt, the last ten years,
he's he's taken on a, a role as,
661
00:32:56,291 --> 00:33:00,541
like an ambassador sort of for Public
Enemy, for hip hop, etc..
662
00:33:00,541 --> 00:33:02,291
And he's the perfect guy for it.
663
00:33:02,291 --> 00:33:05,291
He seems to have the right temperament
for it.
664
00:33:06,250 --> 00:33:09,625
You know, he's seen lots of things,
and now he can be the elder statesman.
665
00:33:09,625 --> 00:33:12,625
Statesmen for sure.
666
00:33:13,041 --> 00:33:14,708
So what was your biggest takeaway?
667
00:33:14,708 --> 00:33:18,500
Just hanging out with them
behind the scenes was that guy like.
668
00:33:20,791 --> 00:33:24,666
you know,
he was largely like very similar.
669
00:33:24,666 --> 00:33:27,666
I mean, like, it was it was cool that,
670
00:33:28,625 --> 00:33:30,750
you know, have a couple private moments
with him.
671
00:33:30,750 --> 00:33:34,583
You know, before the events began
and in the green room and so on.
672
00:33:35,875 --> 00:33:38,416
I, I'd say the,
673
00:33:38,416 --> 00:33:42,500
the only moment, you know, the militant
Chuck came out was when I started popping
674
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,125
pop and junk about the Knicks
and my and and the best
675
00:33:47,250 --> 00:33:48,333
and he wasn't having it.
676
00:33:48,333 --> 00:33:51,333
He was just
he didn't want to hear it, you know,
677
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:52,791
he said something really interesting.
678
00:33:52,791 --> 00:33:54,000
I was like, man, you can't front.
679
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,166
And Jaylen Brown man, not only is
he a great player but look at that look.
680
00:33:57,166 --> 00:33:58,916
The way he uses his platform.
681
00:33:58,916 --> 00:34:00,250
And Chuck shot back at me.
682
00:34:00,250 --> 00:34:03,000
He was like he's
just doing what a man's supposed to do.
683
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,083
I was like word up all right.
684
00:34:06,666 --> 00:34:08,291
And it's, you know, tail bounce.
685
00:34:08,291 --> 00:34:12,958
Like one of the few NBA stars that
will take and like, take certain stances.
686
00:34:12,958 --> 00:34:16,291
And, you know, you use his, his, his
687
00:34:16,708 --> 00:34:20,041
prestige and power
to kind of make political points, etc..
688
00:34:20,291 --> 00:34:23,208
And Chuck was like,
I'm not impressed, you know, like,
689
00:34:23,208 --> 00:34:24,708
but like, yeah, but if he was a nick.
690
00:34:24,708 --> 00:34:27,083
Yeah, he was a.
691
00:34:27,083 --> 00:34:27,875
He's a.
692
00:34:27,875 --> 00:34:29,375
Play for the Celtics.
693
00:34:29,375 --> 00:34:30,083
And it was. Funny.
694
00:34:30,083 --> 00:34:32,333
I mean, those conversations,
I thought those conversations
695
00:34:32,333 --> 00:34:33,541
would be fun to have with him.
696
00:34:33,541 --> 00:34:37,166
Like when we were in the green room
and like, he wasn't having it.
697
00:34:37,208 --> 00:34:38,416
He was like, yeah.
698
00:34:38,416 --> 00:34:40,500
He's like,
I don't want to, you know, stop.
699
00:34:40,500 --> 00:34:42,583
Stop making jokes about the Knicks.
Not funny.
700
00:34:42,583 --> 00:34:45,041
You know, like. I was like, all right.
701
00:34:45,041 --> 00:34:47,208
We haven't even stepped on stage.
I don't want to. I don't want. To get.
702
00:34:48,416 --> 00:34:48,750
Sour.
703
00:34:48,750 --> 00:34:51,041
No, I started with this.
704
00:34:51,041 --> 00:34:54,000
Well,
705
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:54,958
you know, he was pretty.
706
00:34:54,958 --> 00:34:55,916
You said something like.
707
00:34:55,916 --> 00:34:59,416
He was like, well, listen, when we lose,
I know it's been a good season.
708
00:34:59,416 --> 00:35:02,041
I was like, there's your problem.
You're saying that they lose?
709
00:35:02,041 --> 00:35:03,625
And he got mad about that.
710
00:35:03,625 --> 00:35:04,250
He got mad.
711
00:35:04,250 --> 00:35:05,916
He was, We got mad.
712
00:35:05,916 --> 00:35:08,208
He's just like, you don't know what
it's like to be a knick fan.
713
00:35:08,208 --> 00:35:10,375
I don't want to hear
you've had a championship.
714
00:35:10,375 --> 00:35:13,375
They're beating Sixers now, so.
715
00:35:13,833 --> 00:35:16,000
Yeah.
716
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:16,708
Yeah, yeah.
717
00:35:16,708 --> 00:35:18,416
Mixed feelings are hilarious.
718
00:35:18,416 --> 00:35:21,416
So you got spike Lee Harris.
719
00:35:21,416 --> 00:35:21,958
Oh, right.
720
00:35:21,958 --> 00:35:24,500
Because it's all my shit. Yes.
721
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:26,833
Yeah. Give me a,
722
00:35:26,833 --> 00:35:28,166
I have it.
723
00:35:28,166 --> 00:35:31,166
I wear a regimen of it.
724
00:35:31,250 --> 00:35:34,250
You know.
725
00:35:34,416 --> 00:35:36,041
You really like this year?
726
00:35:36,041 --> 00:35:38,333
I said welcome to. Rocky
with a Michael Jordan jersey.
727
00:35:39,291 --> 00:35:40,916
Funny, I thought he.
728
00:35:40,916 --> 00:35:43,791
I thought it would be, like, funny,
you know, but, yeah, you know,
729
00:35:43,791 --> 00:35:45,333
he didn't play about that. It was.
730
00:35:45,333 --> 00:35:48,333
I guess he takes the sports
seriously funny.
731
00:35:48,541 --> 00:35:51,041
And it's not.
He didn't really want it to be.
732
00:35:51,041 --> 00:35:53,875
Hey, he was like I was like,
you know what? I'll give you this.
733
00:35:53,875 --> 00:35:57,958
I was like, the NBA is better
when the Knicks are good.
734
00:35:58,375 --> 00:36:00,583
Like Madison Square Garden,
the whole nine.
735
00:36:00,583 --> 00:36:01,583
It's exciting.
736
00:36:01,583 --> 00:36:05,041
He was like, I don't care about that. Yes.
737
00:36:06,208 --> 00:36:08,291
I just want my Knicks to win.
738
00:36:08,291 --> 00:36:09,500
classic.
739
00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:11,000
it was cool to see.
740
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,000
You know, like,
that's that's. Where that's.
741
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,000
Good about, you know, and and know
anybody who's a sports fan know this,
742
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,000
that there's a certain irrationality
to our sports fandom.
743
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,916
And that's part of the fun of it. No
744
00:36:23,958 --> 00:36:25,916
that's funny.
745
00:36:25,916 --> 00:36:27,666
The Knicks haven't been in the finals
for a million years.
746
00:36:27,666 --> 00:36:30,083
So I'm sure he's sold 20.
747
00:36:30,083 --> 00:36:32,250
2025. Is that right.
748
00:36:32,250 --> 00:36:34,375
2520. 25 million.
749
00:36:34,375 --> 00:36:37,375
You know who's counting. Yeah.
750
00:36:37,666 --> 00:36:38,291
I didn't know yourself.
751
00:36:38,291 --> 00:36:41,541
This fan I don't know
I mean this is, this is difficult
752
00:36:41,541 --> 00:36:44,541
to hear.
753
00:36:44,708 --> 00:36:47,333
Is over just
754
00:36:47,333 --> 00:36:49,791
Macintosh this forever.
755
00:36:49,791 --> 00:36:51,250
I the.
756
00:36:51,250 --> 00:36:51,708
This 50.
757
00:36:51,708 --> 00:36:54,000
Years
I don't write I or 70 Sixers fans book.
758
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,666
Is it Bulls fan.
759
00:36:56,666 --> 00:36:58,083
Cap who who who you prefer.
760
00:36:58,083 --> 00:37:00,625
I Texas fan.
761
00:37:00,625 --> 00:37:02,416
Success. Yeah. Yeah.
762
00:37:02,416 --> 00:37:06,250
Well they got they didn't
they did get job by the referees.
763
00:37:06,791 --> 00:37:09,791
There's all these things coming out like
the last two minutes of all these games.
764
00:37:10,041 --> 00:37:11,166
I think they're the league
765
00:37:11,166 --> 00:37:14,750
salty about the process, how they tanked
all these years, trying to get.
766
00:37:15,916 --> 00:37:16,333
I don't know.
767
00:37:16,333 --> 00:37:18,625
Listen as. Long as the Lakers moved.
768
00:37:18,625 --> 00:37:23,875
They treated they treated Maxey like like
somebody like 42nd Street in like 1989.
769
00:37:23,875 --> 00:37:26,250
They they rolled up on him quick.
770
00:37:26,250 --> 00:37:27,666
They took that ball.
771
00:37:27,666 --> 00:37:31,250
But listen yeah I don't know what
the other four sixes were doing.
772
00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:33,708
There was like
they were like standing around watching.
773
00:37:33,708 --> 00:37:35,041
That's the those last.
774
00:37:35,041 --> 00:37:38,125
30s that, that was very Doc Rivers. Yeah.
775
00:37:38,208 --> 00:37:41,208
I mean I think we would, you.
776
00:37:41,541 --> 00:37:42,458
Know, you know why?
777
00:37:42,458 --> 00:37:45,458
I'm just like I was you
seeing the aftermath and being like, yeah,
778
00:37:46,791 --> 00:37:48,125
I know how this is going to end.
779
00:37:48,125 --> 00:37:49,875
So it doesn't even matter.
780
00:37:49,875 --> 00:37:51,000
Well.
781
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,875
Just as long as the Lakers are out,
that's all about.
782
00:37:53,875 --> 00:37:56,333
Yeah, it's all about
783
00:37:56,333 --> 00:37:56,833
sports.
784
00:37:56,833 --> 00:37:59,625
Sports is a great
unifier. Yes. Or divider.
785
00:38:04,041 --> 00:38:05,958
well, on that note, you you you
786
00:38:05,958 --> 00:38:08,958
you kind of got into with me
a little bit with the Knicks, but
787
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:11,833
didn't make you nervous,
or were you already nervous
788
00:38:11,833 --> 00:38:14,833
to do the interview
and all the conversations stuff?
789
00:38:16,166 --> 00:38:19,041
I mean, yeah, for sure.
790
00:38:19,041 --> 00:38:21,208
but a lot of work went into this.
791
00:38:21,208 --> 00:38:24,208
I mean, as we talked about
in the beginning of this podcast, like it
792
00:38:25,250 --> 00:38:28,166
ideas about this began a year ago.
793
00:38:28,166 --> 00:38:31,791
And then, you know,
I had time to sketch it out.
794
00:38:33,791 --> 00:38:37,833
you know, early on and just kind of
bounce ideas off of people I could trust.
795
00:38:37,833 --> 00:38:41,375
And, and then most importantly,
I just, I want to give a huge shout out
796
00:38:41,375 --> 00:38:47,666
to the people I worked with at NCC,
particularly the vice provost, E-Bug.
797
00:38:47,666 --> 00:38:49,750
Now that. E-Bug was, was, was
798
00:38:50,875 --> 00:38:51,541
an executive,
799
00:38:51,541 --> 00:38:54,541
you know, an executive administrator
at the college that,
800
00:38:55,250 --> 00:38:57,416
essentially, you know,
801
00:38:57,416 --> 00:39:01,708
anything that I was envisioning
or thought we needed or what have you,
802
00:39:01,708 --> 00:39:04,708
she was like, okay, I'm gonna look into
see if we can get that. And,
803
00:39:05,916 --> 00:39:09,458
and then in turn, like,
security and facilities and,
804
00:39:10,208 --> 00:39:12,750
variety of other parts of our college,
the library,
805
00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:14,458
I want to give the library
a big shout out, like,
806
00:39:14,458 --> 00:39:15,958
they gave me a lot of the materials
to help
807
00:39:15,958 --> 00:39:18,750
set up the display and like, oh, cool.
808
00:39:18,750 --> 00:39:20,791
it was just it was cool.
It was a group effort.
809
00:39:20,791 --> 00:39:24,416
So a lot of planning went in,
and I'll be honest, like,
810
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,458
the nerves were sort of like, wow, like
a lot of people here, this is rolling.
811
00:39:29,458 --> 00:39:33,083
But I felt comfortable
with our plan, you know,
812
00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:37,416
I felt comfortable with who I was working
with.
813
00:39:37,416 --> 00:39:39,000
It's part of why I want to cap as a DJ.
814
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,458
We've been working together
for, for over, you know, I think 25 years,
815
00:39:42,458 --> 00:39:45,458
like 98, 99 is when we met and like,
816
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:48,916
when,
when we were running late to be, you know,
817
00:39:49,458 --> 00:39:52,625
if there's somebody else,
if I'm, if I'm texting with a sound man
818
00:39:52,625 --> 00:39:55,375
or I can't communicate with them
or another deejay or whatever,
819
00:39:55,375 --> 00:39:59,958
I know who's on the other end and who's
buying me time, and I trust them 100%.
820
00:40:00,375 --> 00:40:04,333
And so when we were running a little late,
I wasn't worried in any kind of way
821
00:40:04,333 --> 00:40:08,500
that like, we, you know, that
what we had planned was going wrong,
822
00:40:08,541 --> 00:40:12,083
because I knew cap cap knew what
the plan was and knew how to improvise
823
00:40:12,375 --> 00:40:14,125
in the time that we had
to kind of make up.
824
00:40:14,125 --> 00:40:16,041
So, I was,
825
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:18,000
I'll be.
826
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:18,750
Yeah, I'll be honest.
827
00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:21,875
I kept joking with people like,
you know, you know, bring the smelling
828
00:40:21,875 --> 00:40:26,000
salts or like, I pass out,
you know, just run up on stage.
829
00:40:26,250 --> 00:40:27,208
I was ready, man.
830
00:40:27,208 --> 00:40:28,500
Like, ready?
831
00:40:28,500 --> 00:40:31,458
Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But,
832
00:40:31,458 --> 00:40:33,291
I actually felt really good.
833
00:40:33,291 --> 00:40:36,291
And some of it was just from the
get go from the jump.
834
00:40:36,833 --> 00:40:38,791
Chuck was just like,
what do you want me to do?
835
00:40:38,791 --> 00:40:40,083
You know, like, that's that's like,
836
00:40:40,083 --> 00:40:42,541
I think that's a quote, like,
what do you want me to do? I'll do it.
837
00:40:42,541 --> 00:40:45,291
You point me in the direction
of what you want me to do today,
838
00:40:45,291 --> 00:40:46,708
and we'll we'll make it happen.
839
00:40:46,708 --> 00:40:49,875
And so when you're working with
someone like, like that,
840
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:53,041
it puts you at ease, you know? Yeah.
841
00:40:55,875 --> 00:40:56,458
It was a good.
842
00:40:56,458 --> 00:40:57,416
It was a good plan.
843
00:40:57,416 --> 00:40:58,291
We had a good plan.
844
00:40:58,291 --> 00:41:01,291
All in all, good plan. Good job.
845
00:41:01,375 --> 00:41:03,625
It was a great event just
846
00:41:03,625 --> 00:41:04,583
from start to finish.
847
00:41:04,583 --> 00:41:07,166
Great event.
848
00:41:07,166 --> 00:41:08,708
phenomenal.
849
00:41:08,708 --> 00:41:10,833
You know what you could tell,
You know what
850
00:41:10,833 --> 00:41:13,916
I'm going to be I'm going to tell you
right now, you got to give it up to arm
851
00:41:13,916 --> 00:41:18,541
two for the music,
because he, you know, the music.
852
00:41:18,541 --> 00:41:22,250
As much as I'm getting now a lot of credit
for that night with the music,
853
00:41:22,833 --> 00:41:27,458
he should get a lot of it too,
because it was actually a playlist
854
00:41:27,458 --> 00:41:31,583
he put together of all the songs
that he wanted
855
00:41:31,791 --> 00:41:34,791
to play in coordination with the night.
856
00:41:35,625 --> 00:41:39,791
so he gave me lists for,
you know, and time and time stamps
857
00:41:40,333 --> 00:41:43,541
for when he wanted this certain thing
and this certain thing played.
858
00:41:43,958 --> 00:41:46,958
And then when they came in
to play a certain song and then,
859
00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:48,833
you know, when it was done. So,
860
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,041
you know, as much as I,
861
00:41:51,041 --> 00:41:54,041
you know, people are giving me the credit
for being like, yo, cap, you,
862
00:41:54,125 --> 00:41:57,208
you know, you know, you killed it,
you killed it, you killed it.
863
00:41:57,666 --> 00:42:00,000
I mean, that's all I've been getting,
you know, since that night.
864
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,000
I've been getting a ton of,
you know, messages and stuff about that.
865
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:06,041
But in the end, like, arm
866
00:42:06,041 --> 00:42:09,333
was the one who actually, like,
put that in sequence for me.
867
00:42:09,333 --> 00:42:10,916
I mean, he made he gave me the list.
868
00:42:10,916 --> 00:42:14,416
I had to just come up with the,
the flow of them, you know what I mean?
869
00:42:14,416 --> 00:42:17,875
But, you know, I mean, it was
and it was crazy because, you know,
870
00:42:17,875 --> 00:42:20,875
he put on songs there
that I had to get that, you know, from,
871
00:42:20,916 --> 00:42:23,000
you know, because I,
you know, I'm going to be truthful, like,
872
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,041
I didn't, I wasn't really
873
00:42:25,041 --> 00:42:28,166
checking for a P after he got game
soundtrack, basically.
874
00:42:28,625 --> 00:42:30,541
So it's just like.
875
00:42:30,541 --> 00:42:32,750
You know, I never I yeah. Yeah.
876
00:42:32,750 --> 00:42:33,833
I, you know, I slept on.
877
00:42:33,833 --> 00:42:37,583
Yeah I slept on those albums and then,
you know, me and arm got one together.
878
00:42:37,583 --> 00:42:38,916
One day we're driving around.
879
00:42:38,916 --> 00:42:42,416
He's playing me like all these new joints
that I've never heard.
880
00:42:42,416 --> 00:42:42,833
And I was just.
881
00:42:42,833 --> 00:42:45,416
Like, it's
good to be. Good. Yeah, they're good shit.
882
00:42:45,416 --> 00:42:47,958
So I mean, the whole thing was like,
all right, cool.
883
00:42:47,958 --> 00:42:51,083
Like, you know, so for like a whole week,
you know, after he gave me
884
00:42:51,083 --> 00:42:54,333
the list of all the songs,
I put all the playlist together,
885
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,041
you know, I was listening to him.
886
00:42:56,041 --> 00:42:58,083
So I mean, because I had it,
you know, how to listen to him.
887
00:42:58,083 --> 00:43:02,000
You know, I'm not just gonna throw a song
on, like, I had to feel him out, so.
888
00:43:02,750 --> 00:43:04,375
And, that's where all that came out.
889
00:43:04,375 --> 00:43:05,291
So, I mean,
890
00:43:05,291 --> 00:43:08,083
you know, and I told him, okay, well,
this is kind of how I want to make it
891
00:43:08,083 --> 00:43:08,458
play out.
892
00:43:08,458 --> 00:43:11,125
Also, the good thing about P with their,
893
00:43:12,250 --> 00:43:13,083
you know, their beginning
894
00:43:13,083 --> 00:43:16,500
skits of every song and kind of like,
that's kind of how I wanted to make it.
895
00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:19,916
I wanted to, you know, it kind of made it
where I could break down everything.
896
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:22,041
You know? I didn't have to really mix.
897
00:43:22,041 --> 00:43:23,750
I just kind of could throw them in,
898
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:26,750
but it's that they couldn't
even flow with everything. So,
899
00:43:27,416 --> 00:43:29,333
the last set
while you guys were all standing in
900
00:43:29,333 --> 00:43:32,333
line was actually, you know,
901
00:43:32,958 --> 00:43:35,041
a joint effort where, you know,
he said, you know,
902
00:43:35,041 --> 00:43:38,041
maybe we should stay with the conscious
tape, don't play anything,
903
00:43:38,208 --> 00:43:41,375
you know, don't play like, you know,
all the 90s, you know, blah, blah, blah
904
00:43:41,375 --> 00:43:44,541
that we hear all the time,
you know, play a lot of conscious stuff.
905
00:43:44,541 --> 00:43:47,125
So I actually had to
go on my conscience bag and
906
00:43:48,416 --> 00:43:49,500
bust out some joints and
907
00:43:49,500 --> 00:43:53,666
stuff and, you know, and that's, you know,
I'll be really honest with you, though.
908
00:43:53,666 --> 00:43:55,000
I mean,
909
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,333
but I was playing some of these songs.
910
00:43:56,333 --> 00:43:58,333
I'm like, damn, man.
911
00:43:58,333 --> 00:44:00,541
I mean, I, you know, he got board members.
912
00:44:00,541 --> 00:44:01,583
There, he.
913
00:44:01,583 --> 00:44:04,791
Got all these people and,
you know, been saying some shit.
914
00:44:04,791 --> 00:44:07,583
And I'm like, oh, man, I like.
915
00:44:07,583 --> 00:44:11,333
But, you know, no one came up to me
and said, stop playing it, you know?
916
00:44:11,458 --> 00:44:12,791
No, nobody said nothing.
917
00:44:12,791 --> 00:44:17,083
So I said, I can't wait
till my last set that I was
918
00:44:17,125 --> 00:44:21,250
because I was like, I got Paris, I got Ice
Cube ready, I got all this stuff.
919
00:44:21,250 --> 00:44:24,250
So, you know, I went in on that. So and.
920
00:44:24,875 --> 00:44:26,625
You're going to have.
921
00:44:26,625 --> 00:44:30,083
To hear state of the Union
when there's all these like,
922
00:44:31,416 --> 00:44:33,833
you know,
college like administrators in there like.
923
00:44:33,833 --> 00:44:35,750
Yeah. Wow. Exactly.
924
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:37,041
That's going to be like that.
925
00:44:37,041 --> 00:44:40,083
This could be you know,
I was when I was that's very.
926
00:44:40,916 --> 00:44:43,708
I was the security or one of the.
927
00:44:43,708 --> 00:44:45,958
Board members a couple of people like.
928
00:44:45,958 --> 00:44:49,125
Cut it off like I was wait,
I was waiting like I was.
929
00:44:50,166 --> 00:44:51,416
You know, like, pulling the plug.
930
00:44:51,416 --> 00:44:54,250
Yeah. I was waiting for somebody to be.
I was waiting for the sound man.
931
00:44:54,250 --> 00:44:57,166
I if I heard my volume go down,
I mean, like, yeah, I know, right?
932
00:44:57,166 --> 00:44:58,541
Yeah.
933
00:44:58,541 --> 00:45:01,541
Like okay.
934
00:45:01,583 --> 00:45:04,708
So yeah, I mean, but that's, that's my.
935
00:45:04,708 --> 00:45:08,833
Cap was the right deejay for this because,
you know, not many deejays I could go to
936
00:45:08,833 --> 00:45:11,833
and say, listen, I'm not trying
to micromanage what you, you know,
937
00:45:11,916 --> 00:45:13,791
play this song,
this song, this song, in this song.
938
00:45:13,791 --> 00:45:16,791
But here's here's the bag, right.
939
00:45:17,166 --> 00:45:20,166
And stick to this bag however you see fit.
940
00:45:20,166 --> 00:45:23,166
And he was willing to do that
and make it his own.
941
00:45:23,500 --> 00:45:26,250
So it wasn't like he felt constricted.
942
00:45:26,250 --> 00:45:29,041
He was like, okay, like
how how do I make this work, you know,
943
00:45:29,041 --> 00:45:34,666
and that that I think speaks to his he's
kind of his talent and his ability
944
00:45:34,666 --> 00:45:39,000
to kind of see like, okay, this event,
it's not just about like, you know,
945
00:45:40,041 --> 00:45:41,000
what C
946
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,458
does when like he's killing it off
for Friday night on a dance floor.
947
00:45:44,458 --> 00:45:47,333
And like not not every DJ can do that.
948
00:45:47,333 --> 00:45:51,541
Like and do it in a way where you own it
and people
949
00:45:51,541 --> 00:45:54,208
then coming up to you being like,
yo, you killed it, you know what I mean?
950
00:45:54,208 --> 00:45:55,750
And that's that was dope.
951
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:59,791
And like the part where you mentioning
like, you know, what are we doing?
952
00:46:00,291 --> 00:46:01,208
What are we doing here?
953
00:46:01,208 --> 00:46:05,041
Like that was, that was very
that was that was very purposeful.
954
00:46:05,041 --> 00:46:06,416
That was another thing about that.
955
00:46:06,416 --> 00:46:09,875
It was appealing to me about Chuck D
for a lot of the reasons, like Boogie
956
00:46:09,875 --> 00:46:13,791
said, about what he represents to me
is as I came up as a hip
957
00:46:13,791 --> 00:46:16,000
hop head, as a as a scholar, etc.,
958
00:46:19,166 --> 00:46:20,041
I wanted,
959
00:46:20,041 --> 00:46:24,083
you know, I in 50, you know, hip
hop was getting this long in the tooth.
960
00:46:24,083 --> 00:46:24,916
It's 50 years.
961
00:46:24,916 --> 00:46:27,750
It can be it can be watered down.
962
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:29,125
I mean, it's it's crazy to me.
963
00:46:29,125 --> 00:46:30,791
But you could play a lot of, like,
964
00:46:30,791 --> 00:46:34,583
rah rah like,
you know, gap busting, drug selling stuff.
965
00:46:34,583 --> 00:46:38,541
And it sounds way
safer than when you hear Chuck and Flav
966
00:46:38,583 --> 00:46:40,583
talk about brothers
going to work it out there.
967
00:46:40,583 --> 00:46:44,000
And I mean, and
and you got to think about that, right?
968
00:46:44,583 --> 00:46:48,291
That we're more comfortable
with genocide and juice
969
00:46:48,625 --> 00:46:51,500
than we are hearing about fight the power.
970
00:46:51,500 --> 00:46:54,583
And and so I've definitely wanted
971
00:46:54,708 --> 00:46:58,625
that in the mix to kind of play with that.
972
00:46:58,625 --> 00:47:02,250
That's a that's kind of a part of
like what we've been trying to do.
973
00:47:02,250 --> 00:47:02,625
We did it.
974
00:47:02,625 --> 00:47:05,875
You know, we did a hip hop
event in historic Bethlehem, you know,
975
00:47:05,875 --> 00:47:09,625
and around all these colonial houses,
these white spaces.
976
00:47:09,625 --> 00:47:11,958
And I'm I think it's the,
977
00:47:11,958 --> 00:47:14,000
the idea is that,
you know, we're trying to shine light,
978
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,958
you know, a little
bit into these places that,
979
00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:20,500
generally play it safe and just kind of,
980
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,000
play upon that a little bit
when people get together
981
00:47:25,291 --> 00:47:28,708
and it's feels like going into it
like, oh, what's about to happen?
982
00:47:29,250 --> 00:47:31,833
But in actuality, I have this big trust
983
00:47:31,833 --> 00:47:34,958
in hip hop
and the people that growth comes from it.
984
00:47:35,083 --> 00:47:37,416
Like some of that, like
985
00:47:37,416 --> 00:47:40,666
some of that,
like tension is actually diffused
986
00:47:40,666 --> 00:47:42,791
because we actually come together.
987
00:47:42,791 --> 00:47:44,416
You know,
that's the great thing about hip hop
988
00:47:44,416 --> 00:47:46,916
is you come together and it's like,
okay, all right, I get it.
989
00:47:46,916 --> 00:47:48,291
I, you know, when I, when
990
00:47:48,291 --> 00:47:51,958
I was not solving the world's problems,
but we could break bread.
991
00:47:52,125 --> 00:47:53,666
Oh yeah, I could.
992
00:47:53,666 --> 00:47:54,833
I'll definitely say that.
993
00:47:54,833 --> 00:47:55,833
I mean,
994
00:47:55,833 --> 00:47:58,291
now you could definitely throw
an old school jam
995
00:47:58,291 --> 00:47:59,833
and not worry about anything happening.
996
00:47:59,833 --> 00:48:04,791
And everybody's now a legit, you know,
we're all adults now and we're all grown
997
00:48:04,791 --> 00:48:09,083
and we all got families and we got kids
to come home to and things like that.
998
00:48:09,083 --> 00:48:11,666
So I think that's the
the whole easiness of, you know. Yeah.
999
00:48:11,666 --> 00:48:12,333
Back in the day.
Speaker:
00:48:12,333 --> 00:48:15,208
Yeah. We, you know, you can't
you can't really deny it.
Speaker:
00:48:15,208 --> 00:48:15,375
Yeah.
Speaker:
00:48:15,375 --> 00:48:19,208
There was violence at shows and there was
I mean they say it themselves too.
Speaker:
00:48:19,208 --> 00:48:21,833
And they were touring,
you know, there was freaking the
Speaker:
00:48:21,833 --> 00:48:23,875
the Bloods came in the rolling 80s
came in.
Speaker:
00:48:23,875 --> 00:48:25,416
They, you know,
they were shooting up the place.
Speaker:
00:48:25,416 --> 00:48:26,916
You know, they went into Detroit
Speaker:
00:48:26,916 --> 00:48:29,916
dudes already shooting before even
one song got played yet, like,
Speaker:
00:48:30,166 --> 00:48:31,375
that's how it was me, you know?
Speaker:
00:48:31,375 --> 00:48:34,375
But now I think, you know,
with this whole 50 and,
Speaker:
00:48:34,916 --> 00:48:37,750
you know, the culture and us, you know,
look at us ourselves.
Speaker:
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:41,458
We're, you know, we're we're,
you know, we're brothers, we're families.
Speaker:
00:48:41,458 --> 00:48:42,625
We're, you know, we're dads.
Speaker:
00:48:42,625 --> 00:48:45,000
We're, you know,
we got responsibility, ease.
Speaker:
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,791
Now, we're no longer just,
Speaker:
00:48:46,791 --> 00:48:49,958
you know, teenagers with, you know,
smoking blunts and drinking 40s like.
Speaker:
00:48:51,041 --> 00:48:53,000
And I think that's what makes it more
Speaker:
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,666
I think everybody could be more calm
with everything that we're doing.
Speaker:
00:48:56,666 --> 00:49:00,875
And I think I think even that even
with the music that I was playing in that
Speaker:
00:49:00,875 --> 00:49:04,500
I don't think, you know, in my mind I'm
thinking it's affecting people in a way.
Speaker:
00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:07,500
But I probably wasn't
because I think everybody
Speaker:
00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:10,916
that was in
that crowd is a true, was a true P fan, or
Speaker:
00:49:11,250 --> 00:49:14,291
grew up with the music around them,
with their friends listening to it,
Speaker:
00:49:14,291 --> 00:49:16,000
and they were just like,
you know what? This is?
Speaker:
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:16,916
This is what it is.
Speaker:
00:49:16,916 --> 00:49:20,625
You know, we're not going to have anything
pop off here, but this is educational.
Speaker:
00:49:20,625 --> 00:49:23,625
I mean, and the p
everything they said was educational.
Speaker:
00:49:23,916 --> 00:49:26,916
All those songs, as much as they even
cursed it or whatever,
Speaker:
00:49:26,958 --> 00:49:30,333
that was educational music, you know,
just like you said, you know, Boogie,
Speaker:
00:49:30,375 --> 00:49:31,000
you had to, like,
Speaker:
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,000
go and look at books and stuff
to find out what they were talking about.
Speaker:
00:49:34,375 --> 00:49:37,625
You know, that's kind of why I love,
you know, the hip hop that I grew up in.
Speaker:
00:49:37,625 --> 00:49:38,333
You know what I mean?
Speaker:
00:49:39,500 --> 00:49:42,416
not only, you know, with P, but you know,
with,
Speaker:
00:49:42,416 --> 00:49:44,875
you know, with even people,
you know, like, even like people
Speaker:
00:49:44,875 --> 00:49:48,208
like Paris and Ice Cube and, and and,
you know, X clan
Speaker:
00:49:48,208 --> 00:49:51,250
and, you know, random man
and all of them and stuff.
Speaker:
00:49:51,250 --> 00:49:54,625
I mean, you know, Brand Nubian,
I learned, you know, I got into,
Speaker:
00:49:55,125 --> 00:49:58,625
you know, 5%, you know, not,
you know, knowledge and stuff and,
Speaker:
00:49:59,166 --> 00:50:03,208
you know, so it's it's,
you know, the educational part of it.
Speaker:
00:50:03,208 --> 00:50:04,583
I think that's what's dope in that.
Speaker:
00:50:04,583 --> 00:50:07,666
You know, we could
we could do that now in this day
Speaker:
00:50:07,666 --> 00:50:10,916
and time, we could come off that way
and bring somebody like a Chuck
Speaker:
00:50:10,916 --> 00:50:14,791
D to come through and, you know, and,
and educate us, you know what I mean?
Speaker:
00:50:14,791 --> 00:50:18,916
With his personal, you know, you know,
with experiences and stuff and everything.
Speaker:
00:50:18,916 --> 00:50:22,166
So I think overall I just it's come
full circle, you know what I mean.
Speaker:
00:50:22,416 --> 00:50:25,375
But whatever thought you know, you know,
somebody said to me,
Speaker:
00:50:25,375 --> 00:50:28,208
somebody asked me like, cat would you ever
if you know, when you started
Speaker:
00:50:28,208 --> 00:50:31,625
or anything or ever think
that you'd be doing a Q&A with Chuck
Speaker:
00:50:32,291 --> 00:50:35,125
J and added, I'd be, oh hell no.
Speaker:
00:50:35,125 --> 00:50:36,625
You know,
I would never thought that in, you know,
Speaker:
00:50:36,625 --> 00:50:38,000
a million years, you know what I mean?
Speaker:
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,791
But it's happening and it's it's here.
Speaker:
00:50:39,791 --> 00:50:41,875
So I think that's dope.
Speaker:
00:50:41,875 --> 00:50:43,583
And I think that that speaks volumes.
Speaker:
00:50:43,583 --> 00:50:47,333
So and then who knows the, you know, stuff
that, you know, me and Ahmed
Speaker:
00:50:47,333 --> 00:50:49,791
throwing around right now,
who knows anything could happen,
Speaker:
00:50:49,791 --> 00:50:50,833
you know, the next year or two.
Speaker:
00:50:50,833 --> 00:50:53,458
So let's see where it goes. So.
Speaker:
00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:56,500
Anyway, for all.
Speaker:
00:50:56,500 --> 00:51:00,541
You guys raising the bar, let's say
the bar, the bar has been raised so high.
Speaker:
00:51:00,541 --> 00:51:03,291
Like.
You know what? The bar has been raised.
Speaker:
00:51:03,291 --> 00:51:04,583
You know what? And I'm you know what?
Speaker:
00:51:04,583 --> 00:51:07,166
And here's the thing like,
Speaker:
00:51:07,166 --> 00:51:09,666
and you know me and I'm talk about this
all the time.
Speaker:
00:51:09,666 --> 00:51:14,375
You know, we have doing doing the things
that we've done in the past
Speaker:
00:51:14,375 --> 00:51:17,458
year, you know, and I'm definitely
leading the whole thing.
Speaker:
00:51:17,458 --> 00:51:17,916
You know what I mean?
Speaker:
00:51:17,916 --> 00:51:21,000
Like, you know, let's, let's, let's,
let's get this done and stuff.
Speaker:
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,750
And we did it.
You know, it's been done. It's done.
Speaker:
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:26,250
So now it's like, what are where
are we going in the future now with this?
Speaker:
00:51:26,250 --> 00:51:30,291
But the bar has been raised
and I think a lot of people out there,
Speaker:
00:51:30,291 --> 00:51:31,333
you going to try to do something.
Speaker:
00:51:31,333 --> 00:51:34,541
You definitely got to, you got to
you got to take it up the next level.
Speaker:
00:51:34,541 --> 00:51:36,250
Now you're right.
Speaker:
00:51:36,250 --> 00:51:39,625
I mean, you know, the debating on
who would be the next.
Speaker:
00:51:39,625 --> 00:51:40,166
You know what I mean?
Speaker:
00:51:40,166 --> 00:51:43,166
I mean, if should we say should we say,
should we say,
Speaker:
00:51:43,708 --> 00:51:45,666
should we say who
we think we should do it with?
Speaker:
00:51:45,666 --> 00:51:47,416
I, I personally, you know,
Speaker:
00:51:47,416 --> 00:51:51,375
well, I'll say it because I brought it up
and I think, you know, should I say it?
Speaker:
00:51:51,375 --> 00:51:52,583
Sure.
Speaker:
00:51:52,583 --> 00:51:54,000
Of course. Why not?
Speaker:
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,208
I personally think. It's. Yeah. No.
Speaker:
00:51:56,208 --> 00:51:59,750
I personally think I personally think
the next one, honestly,
Speaker:
00:51:59,750 --> 00:52:00,708
we should bring common,
Speaker:
00:52:02,958 --> 00:52:05,541
here because, Common does.
Speaker:
00:52:05,541 --> 00:52:07,458
He does college.
He does colleges, you know.
Speaker:
00:52:07,458 --> 00:52:10,208
Know you know, he performed as well.
Speaker:
00:52:10,208 --> 00:52:11,750
He performed a great.
Speaker:
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:15,625
You know,
he was in Moravian like 15 years ago.
Speaker:
00:52:16,333 --> 00:52:20,625
So yeah, he was at Moravian and stuff,
but that was he performed at that one.
Speaker:
00:52:20,625 --> 00:52:21,833
That was a no Q&A or nothing.
Speaker:
00:52:21,833 --> 00:52:24,833
But I think now where he's at,
Speaker:
00:52:24,875 --> 00:52:27,875
you know,
and you know what let's talk about,
Speaker:
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:31,500
you know, why I came to that conclusion,
that conclusion of common
Speaker:
00:52:31,500 --> 00:52:35,291
is the fact of like with these Q&A is
you got to find someone
Speaker:
00:52:35,291 --> 00:52:39,083
who, you know, is the overall like,
who's it going to be?
Speaker:
00:52:39,166 --> 00:52:41,666
Is it going to appeal
not only to our age group,
Speaker:
00:52:41,666 --> 00:52:45,375
but is it also going to appeal
to the younger crowd who's it going to be?
Speaker:
00:52:45,916 --> 00:52:48,833
You know, is this person
going to be insightful in certain things?
Speaker:
00:52:48,833 --> 00:52:50,708
And I think common
Speaker:
00:52:51,708 --> 00:52:55,125
from the way I see common is the fact
that, you know,
Speaker:
00:52:55,125 --> 00:52:59,083
he literally has grown in our eyes
from every single.
Speaker:
00:52:59,125 --> 00:53:03,916
If you really look at his collection
of music alone, I mean, he went from,
Speaker:
00:53:04,541 --> 00:53:07,708
you know, being a, you know,
and he admitted he went from being a total
Speaker:
00:53:07,708 --> 00:53:12,291
drunken, blunt head
to, you know, where he's at any, any.
Speaker:
00:53:12,416 --> 00:53:14,833
And he shows that in every album
you could see the growth
Speaker:
00:53:14,833 --> 00:53:17,291
and the pattern of it
in every single album.
Speaker:
00:53:17,291 --> 00:53:20,541
You know, obviously resurrection
was like a straight up 180 from,
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00:53:21,041 --> 00:53:24,041
from his, you know, can I borrow a dollar
and then obviously then,
Speaker:
00:53:24,625 --> 00:53:28,166
you know, he did,
you know, like water for chocolate
Speaker:
00:53:28,708 --> 00:53:29,208
and then,
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00:53:29,208 --> 00:53:32,291
you know, then he did Electric Circus,
which is still his most left
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00:53:32,291 --> 00:53:33,500
field shit ever.
Speaker:
00:53:33,500 --> 00:53:36,625
And then it's like, but then he came back
with beanie, and then,
Speaker:
00:53:37,083 --> 00:53:38,833
you know, you can see his growth.
Speaker:
00:53:38,833 --> 00:53:42,916
And then obviously becoming an actor
and being a successful actor at that.
Speaker:
00:53:42,916 --> 00:53:47,125
I mean, shit, you know,
where he's at in that position and stuff.
Speaker:
00:53:47,125 --> 00:53:49,000
And then you've also a bestselling
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00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,208
writer and,
you know, the books that he's put out
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00:53:51,208 --> 00:53:55,166
and the message that he still drops in
every single album is so universal.
Speaker:
00:53:55,166 --> 00:53:57,416
It's all about love. Now for like,
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00:53:57,416 --> 00:54:00,416
everything he does, you know,
and the last couple of hours so dope.
Speaker:
00:54:00,416 --> 00:54:02,250
I personally think they were great.
Speaker:
00:54:02,250 --> 00:54:04,958
You know, some people might think
they were a little too late to talk.
Speaker:
00:54:04,958 --> 00:54:06,000
I think they were dope.
Speaker:
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,791
And you know, he does this thing.
Speaker:
00:54:07,791 --> 00:54:10,416
He's still doing this, you know, to me
personally, still doing his thing.
Speaker:
00:54:10,416 --> 00:54:13,000
And he's still like he's dropped
freestyles
Speaker:
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,083
lately on leakers and stuff
and he's killed it always killed.
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00:54:16,750 --> 00:54:19,791
So I think common
would be like the perfect,
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00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:24,000
fit of somebody that we should,
you know, try to bring out here
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00:54:24,125 --> 00:54:27,750
as an as a cute
now ahm took it to that real next level.
Speaker:
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:28,125
He's like,
Speaker:
00:54:28,125 --> 00:54:31,916
well, I just don't want to do a Q
and A, I want to do a Q&A and performance.
Speaker:
00:54:31,916 --> 00:54:34,333
And I'm like, well, yeah, hey, why not?
Speaker:
00:54:34,333 --> 00:54:35,041
You know what I mean?
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00:54:35,041 --> 00:54:37,833
And I think common would be that, dude,
it'd be like, yeah, fuck it, let's do it.
Speaker:
00:54:37,833 --> 00:54:40,583
Let's do a Q and A in a performance.
I'm down, let's go.
Speaker:
00:54:40,583 --> 00:54:43,416
So I think comment
would be the perfect fit.
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00:54:43,416 --> 00:54:46,791
So I think to get at like JB's
general question
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00:54:46,791 --> 00:54:49,791
about raising the bar is like,
Speaker:
00:54:50,166 --> 00:54:52,583
you know, I, I mean, I've been doing
Speaker:
00:54:52,583 --> 00:54:56,750
since I was nine
and it's like I've been a part of like,
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00:54:56,791 --> 00:55:01,166
you know, club scenes or like part of hip
hop groups and ciphers and so on.
Speaker:
00:55:01,166 --> 00:55:01,416
Like,
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00:55:03,583 --> 00:55:04,250
I think
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00:55:04,250 --> 00:55:08,583
all of those things, they're like
the bedrock of hip hop culture and
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00:55:10,500 --> 00:55:12,791
I've been done doing them, and I'm cool.
Speaker:
00:55:12,791 --> 00:55:14,541
I'm cool with them,
and I'm gonna go visit them.
Speaker:
00:55:14,541 --> 00:55:17,416
And so but like, that's not where
I'm trying to show improve anymore.
Speaker:
00:55:17,416 --> 00:55:21,416
Like and it's not it's
just like I'm interested
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00:55:21,791 --> 00:55:26,750
in things that bring
a, a wide group of people together.
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Because one of the things
that kind of like
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coming through this,
I would say I'm most proud of,
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so to speak, is that as best as we could,
every event we did somehow
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marry the four elements of hip
hop together.
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You know, sometimes all four,
sometimes just two.
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Whatever it was.
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And I think it's kind of
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that's when hip hop is its most dynamic
and most powerful when those things.
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I mean, think about how cap was sharing,
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where these
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words about being a graphic design
artist was so inspiring for him.
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You know what I mean?
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Where it's more than just rapping,
it's more than just like
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when these things get atomized,
they become weaker.
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And so I'm very much interested in
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in like developing
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platforms and spaces and events
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where we're experiencing
these things together.
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You know,
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everybody throws around that like,
you know, hip hop's a culture
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and it's like, yeah, that's right.
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You got to tend to that.
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Like it's a garden,
you know what I mean? You can't just.
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Yeah, it's not just like just words,
you know, like you're
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you have a responsibility to.
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And I think a big reason why,
you know I absolutely we
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we cap and I like sought you guys out
because we saw that you guys found
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something that you had a love
and a passion for hip hop and movies,
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and you were you were gonna,
you know, you weren't just it
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wasn't just a one off kind of thing,
like you were going to, like,
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00:56:59,583 --> 00:57:02,583
explore that as as deep
and far as it can go.
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And that's, that's the kind of thing that,
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I'm down to kind of keep pursuing.
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I was like,
oh, this is happening in my backyard.
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00:57:10,708 --> 00:57:12,416
I don't even know about it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Capsule.
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Oh, I
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it's like I do it too, as far as you.
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Know, in new Jersey. That's crazy.
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And then like, look,
look what happens I, I lose, I lose that.
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You don't even understand.
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I'm there on Facebook.
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And next thing you know, I'm like hip
hop movie club now I saw it.
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And you always said
was hip hop movie club.
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And I said, oh, that's interesting.
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But then saw the post,
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I'm like, oh, they're having some thing
that's cool.
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Then I look at the address and I'm like,
wait, what?
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Grungy? Wait, what the hell?
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Yeah, this is happening.
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Because I don't even know that.
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That's like, what's going on here. So,
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my. First person I called was, yo.
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Boom club.
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So I what's.
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Interesting is that, like.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Like hip hop movie club,
you know, that's where like that
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you guys go into a space like that
to represent the culture.
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Like, you know what I'm saying?
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That's they think about wild style
and they the way that they went downtown
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and all those artists, like,
found a way to break out.
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That's that's what really interests me.
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Like, I'm,
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you know, I'm not I'm not trying to front
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or try to disrespect like the bedrock
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of, like, you know, hip hop
clubs and ciphers and things like that.
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But I'm also, you know, I'm,
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I'm like
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those those things, I don't know,
I like checking in on those things
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that keep you kind of like green or hungry
or what have you.
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But at the same time, I'm also interested
in like kind of evangelizing this shit,
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like taking this
to as many people as possible,
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because that's what I see Chuck doing.
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Chuck's like, you know, he's he's.
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Yeah. Like, I don't know.
You said it a few minutes ago.
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He's he's a worldly guy.
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Like, he's that's really inspiring to me.
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Like. You know.
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I love that
he was so complimentary of the area.
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And I like, I like beautiful
I hear you love Philadelphia.
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I was like, all right.
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Yeah.
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I think, you know,
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I think we've, we've
we've established with some of these folks
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we've worked with that
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we have
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we're not just like, you know, fans
like we have, we have one our own scene.
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Two, we have a profound respect, like,
you know what I mean?
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for what they do. And,
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pop, who was Chuck's security detail?
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You saw the dude
that was kind of shadowing him.
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He's a he's a former S1W like,
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you know, putting putting crack a smile
the whole whole night, you know?
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And that's not his job, right?
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Like,
his job is to keep his head on a swivel
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and just be aware of everything going on.
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And at the end of the night,
as they were leaving,
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I say my goodbye to pop,
and he said to me,
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he said, this is one of the best academic
hip hop events we've ever been to.
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And I was like, awesome.
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01:00:18,041 --> 01:00:21,083
Well, if pop says it,
you know what I mean?
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Like, Chuck's probably going to say that
out of out of the kindness of his heart.
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But if pop said it, then we we discretion.
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And I think I think like that's
what I'm trying to do
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is show them
the respect of the effort, the
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the time and effort
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and sacrifice
they put into their music and the culture.
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We just we just try to give a little bit
back, you know, to show them.
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Yeah, you know.
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And that's how it should be done.
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Like I think that's definitely something
from here on out, any type of event that,
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you know, beer we come up with to, to do
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should definitely be also very respectful
to, I know that whatever artists
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we bring out here, the one thing is
you got to understand something like
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when these guys all started
and they were all going on tour,
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they were coming through here.
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They performed here like,
you know, all of them.
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Tribe, you know,
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I know tribe was out here, I know Dale,
I was here, black sheep was here.
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01:01:16,666 --> 01:01:18,291
I know, you know.
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It's kind of his second show was at state.
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Yeah, you know what I mean?
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They were they they came through here, so.
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But they came through here during a time
when there was a lot of,
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01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:30,916
you know, just fields of grass
and wheat and like,
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01:01:30,916 --> 01:01:34,166
you know, the corn fields, like,
they didn't see that.
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01:01:34,166 --> 01:01:36,750
Now the hustle
and bustle of what we are now.
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01:01:36,750 --> 01:01:41,458
So I think coming them coming back
and now being like, oh,
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this same, you know, dress was just here,
you know, he was over at main gate
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and it was around the same time
we were doing our Dilla event and
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you know,
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I was trying to get dress to come through.
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but he had, you know,
he had the main gate stuff and whatever.
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01:01:57,625 --> 01:02:01,041
But, you know, I hit him
up later on and he was like, yeah.
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01:02:01,166 --> 01:02:03,416
so, you know, he did apologize,
you know, on my bad.
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01:02:03,416 --> 01:02:05,125
I could have definitely sunk through,
but I couldn't,
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01:02:05,125 --> 01:02:08,541
you know, I didn't really know
my time frame, but he had the same time.
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01:02:08,541 --> 01:02:10,250
I was like,
yo, I'ma be real with you, though, man.
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01:02:10,250 --> 01:02:12,541
You guys for for who?
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01:02:12,541 --> 01:02:15,625
You know, for an area like you are,
you know, you guys are doing a lot.
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01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:16,250
You know what I mean?
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01:02:16,250 --> 01:02:18,500
Like, you are doing your thing
like you got things going on.
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01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:21,041
So I mean, that's
that's the biggest thing.
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01:02:21,041 --> 01:02:26,208
Like I think they, they never thought
that this area would grow as it grew.
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01:02:26,208 --> 01:02:27,125
And it has we,
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01:02:27,125 --> 01:02:30,458
you know, Lehigh Valley, even myself,
I moved out here when I was 15.
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01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,250
You know, I'm 47 now.
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01:02:32,250 --> 01:02:36,541
So I've been here a lot, you know, to
the point where I claim the Lehigh Valley.
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01:02:36,541 --> 01:02:39,958
You know, I'm not like some dude who still
claiming, you know, New York and shit
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01:02:41,083 --> 01:02:44,333
and, you
know, 30 plus years, you know what I mean?
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01:02:44,333 --> 01:02:46,916
No, I'm still I'm a I'm
a Lehigh Valley head.
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01:02:46,916 --> 01:02:50,875
And but the thing is, it's like,
you know, it's about showing them,
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01:02:50,875 --> 01:02:52,500
you know, hey, we're not to be slept on.
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01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:54,958
And I mean, you know,
from a DJ standpoint,
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01:02:54,958 --> 01:02:58,250
you know, a lot of deejays,
a lot of deejays and whatnot.
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01:02:58,250 --> 01:03:00,208
And I'm telling you,
I've heard it from a lot.
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They all tell me we have the most hardest.
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We are the hardest spot for them
to come through and bless and bless.
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So a lot of us DJ DJs amongst
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01:03:11,500 --> 01:03:15,833
deejays from Philly, New York, Jersey,
whatever, like they show us
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01:03:15,833 --> 01:03:20,333
a lot of respect because
when they come over here like it's tough.
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01:03:20,333 --> 01:03:23,333
They they say it, they're like
we're the toughest crowds to please.
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01:03:23,666 --> 01:03:27,791
So when you know and they when they rock
with us, they're like, damn you guys.
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01:03:28,375 --> 01:03:29,750
You guys really hold it down.
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01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:31,250
So you know that.
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01:03:31,250 --> 01:03:35,541
So for the so for us to represent
the valley that way, you know, I mean we
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01:03:35,750 --> 01:03:39,000
we need to come across and definitely,
you know, raise the bar on everything
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you know and show these people
that, you know, we're not just we're not
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01:03:42,041 --> 01:03:45,208
we're not just a middle thing
between New York and, you know,
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01:03:45,250 --> 01:03:46,916
Philly or whatever, like,
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01:03:46,916 --> 01:03:49,791
you know, we got to be recognized
now and people are recognizing us.
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01:03:49,791 --> 01:03:53,125
So I think that's
that's the next step to that.
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You know, especially with hip hop culture,
there's artists out here that have done
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things are people that are doing things,
you know.
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01:03:59,875 --> 01:04:03,208
So I think we've
we got to start elevating that up. So
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and you know
we've been we've been doing it man I yeah.
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Should you know my crew alone
stick figures back in the day.
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You know what I mean.
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01:04:11,083 --> 01:04:13,541
I mean should we open for the Fugees.
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You know.
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And then it's like,
you know, things like that.
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You know, there's other people
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01:04:17,458 --> 01:04:20,458
that have done other stuff
too, and it's just some, you know,
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01:04:20,625 --> 01:04:22,250
that stuff that now has to be
put out there.
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01:04:22,250 --> 01:04:25,250
I think we got
I think we should just do a documentary.
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01:04:25,666 --> 01:04:27,125
I think, I.
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01:04:27,125 --> 01:04:30,291
Think a documentary should be done
on like basically what the hip
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01:04:30,291 --> 01:04:31,500
hop scene has been out here.
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01:04:31,500 --> 01:04:35,625
So a lot of stories, a lot of,
you know, legends, you know, local,
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01:04:36,166 --> 01:04:37,083
be it and everything.
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01:04:37,083 --> 01:04:39,500
But I think everybody
got their flowers. So.
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01:04:44,541 --> 01:04:47,541
The documentary
happy and we can screen it at the, Yeah.
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01:04:47,875 --> 01:04:48,583
You know.
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01:04:48,583 --> 01:04:51,291
I give my son on the project, he's
he's studying film.
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01:04:51,291 --> 01:04:52,000
So like that
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01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,416
you mentioned something about
I do something about hip hop movie girls.
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01:04:55,416 --> 01:04:58,583
Yeah, I was, I talked to Army cap
because these guys have stories
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01:04:58,583 --> 01:05:01,583
and doing it,
so maybe there's something there.
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01:05:03,250 --> 01:05:05,125
Awesome.
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01:05:05,125 --> 01:05:08,250
What's so,
what's next for 50 years down the line.
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01:05:08,250 --> 01:05:10,916
Aam what what's next.
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01:05:10,916 --> 01:05:15,333
Besides you know the potential that you
guys just mentioned for for for comment.
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01:05:15,333 --> 01:05:17,375
Yeah I mean anything else directly.
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01:05:17,375 --> 01:05:18,625
Thank you.
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01:05:18,625 --> 01:05:22,791
We're we're planting seeds on
like you know could we somehow replicate
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or even take what we did with Chuck D
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to a next level knowing,
you know, also knowing that it
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01:05:31,166 --> 01:05:34,583
it would take a year or two
to like put something like that together
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01:05:34,583 --> 01:05:36,583
because it took a year
to put this together. Right.
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01:05:38,333 --> 01:05:39,750
I would say most immediate I'm
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01:05:39,750 --> 01:05:43,000
trying to ride the coattails
on, have you heard of the hip hop movie,
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01:05:44,291 --> 01:05:47,125
podcast August.
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01:05:47,125 --> 01:05:47,875
All right.
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01:05:47,875 --> 01:05:52,500
House party, will be
there will be there, for for house party.
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01:05:52,500 --> 01:05:55,041
It still stacks, deejaying and so on.
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01:05:55,041 --> 01:05:57,291
I'm really looking forward to that.
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01:05:57,291 --> 01:06:00,416
You guys have, more than one
movie there, right?
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01:06:00,416 --> 01:06:03,416
You have a couple other dates
this year? Yep.
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01:06:03,833 --> 01:06:05,791
Yeah. September.
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01:06:05,791 --> 01:06:08,333
we'll be doing eight mile,
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wood in November will be doing Boyz n
the hood or,
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we're not announcing the exact dates yet
because some of the stuff
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might shift, but but, yeah,
we have three more movies this year.
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That's great.
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yeah.
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I mean, I think I, I.
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I'm looking forward to working.
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With you guys on that, that stuff and kind
of, I don't know, reverse the roles
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a little bit, you know, and watch you guys
take this, to where you want it to go.
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And I'll play the role of soldier and,
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and just, you know, I also have to chill
a little bit,
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like, for real,
you needed the things you have to say.
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A little bit like I.
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Yes, it's all it's it's wild.
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It's been a decompression
over the last week.
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I just I bet so, you know, I don't do pig.
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I really, really like,
I mean, all the things we've done
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and I'm proud of them and and Chuck D's
my dude.
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It's also like really relaxing
not to have to worry about like, like,
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do we have the right meal in the green
room for Chuck D and his security detail?
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You know what I mean?
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Like, these are the things that kept me up
for the last two weeks.
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And it's like, yeah, this is all done.
You know, the you know. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, yeah.
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I mean, I used to run away from my Ryder,
so I get it.
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It was,
you know, those memes of the right color,
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you know?
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But I mean, it's it's it's it's great.
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It's really, it's really great. You.
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And doing something like this helps me
kind of unwind and get perspective on it.
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And I appreciate all the things
you guys have said about it.
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Really, really do.
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doing it for you just as much as well
as the coaches for for the friendship.
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You know, it's
what makes it makes it all good.
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Yeah.
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we're just like,
I can't believe it's there.
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We haven't even known you guys
for a full year.
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That was June of last year.
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Well,
we met you at, at that library event,
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so crazy amount of stuff
we've collaborated
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on, and it's only growing,
so thanks for including us.
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We never thought we'd be rubbing
elbows with Chuck D
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when we started this a couple years ago.
Right.
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Well, this is outrageous.
I still want that.
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Yeah. You guys did. You gave away.
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Oh, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. It was.
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That was Chuck. The.
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Digital signature.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Thanks, guys.
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Yeah.
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Thank you, thank you.
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it was a pleasure.
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Come on.
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Come on.