In this conversation, we go deep into how relationships either become a

direct gateway to true freedom or a way people keep themselves stuck in limiting

beliefs, stories, and conditioning.

We go deep into the distinct challenges men and women face in

today's world in intimacy, love and relationships, into how early loss

shapes identity and masculinity for men.

What conscious masculinity actually looks like, feels like

beyond performance, beyond rigid conditioning that men have received.

And we also go deep into the limiting stories.

Many women carry into intimacy relationships, and life Itself.

We also unpack how manifesting actually works.

Do you just surrender and let go of all control, or do you set an

intention and then actively work toward the reality you want to create?

What is the balance?

There are different teachings, but what does it mean to actually

embody this in our lived experience?

How does this actually turn into a clear practice?

We close by touching on what it takes to remain present, grounded and alive

in a world that is increasingly shaped by AI and offers countless distractions.

This is a rich and wide ranging episode, and I know you'll

receive a lot of value from it.

My guest today is Peter Crone.

Peter has spent decades working in the field of human freedom

and the end of suffering.

He has coached Olympic athletes, professional sports teams, global leaders

and public figures, including Tom Cruise, and he has spoken on stages and within

organizations all around the world.

His work centers on revealing the unseen beliefs and assumptions that

shape how people experience life.

So struggle can fall away and freedom can be experienced,

can become a lived reality.

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Welcome to the Masculine and Feminine Dynamics Podcast.

My name is Lorin Krenn and I'm a coach, author, and hypnotherapist.

I help you to understand masculine and feminine dynamics at the deepest level.

Let's dive in.

I want to go very deep here directly with you, Peter.

You've said that relationships, these are your own words, are the

greatest conduit to self-realization if we're willing to pay attention.

Otherwise, in your own words, which is really powerful, they become simply a way

to maintain our limitations.

Yeah.

I mean, if you understand the nature of life and the fabric of what it

is to be alive, everything that we experience is by virtue of relating

like the energy of relativity, right?

We don't know, uh, anything without that experience, meaning consciousness

as a unified, um, source of everything has no experience without the

illusion of diversity or separation.

So relationships, particularly romantic ones where we get a little bit, sort of

more vulnerable, a little bit more under the hood of our own identities is, um,

as you quoted me, the greatest conduit for self, self-realization or awakening.

Because if you look at the fabric of time and space, the dimensions that

we seem to traffic in, I would assert they're actually within us, but they are

akin to the mirror that we look at, you know, usually in the morning when we go

and brush our teeth or wash our face.

So relationships are that, that equivalent, you know, we get to see where

we are fundamentally, typically stuck or oblivious to our own limitations, courtesy

of somebody else or somebodies else.

Um, and so if you're willing to look, as I said, then it's

the greatest form of awakening.

If you're not, then it's the greatest, um, form of validation, right?

Meaning we get to be right.

We blame other people, and we become victims of our own conditioning

and we blame other people.

Well, it's 'cause of my mom, it's 'cause of my dad, it's 'cause

of my spouse, or whatever it is.

Um, but if you may have, you know, had one of my other quotes, I say, life will

present you with people and circumstances to reveal where you're not free.

So if you're willing to look through that lens, then relationships are a gift

to see where am I not okay with things and where am I still in the world of

victimhood blaming my circumstances and those around me for my own suffering?

Um, which is a very disempowering perspective.

The way I like to describe it sometimes is that in relationships,

it's the embodiment piece.

Because in, in so many other areas of our life, we can tell ourselves

a story and we might get away with it in a sense of kind of

stick talking about intellectual or spiritual bypassing.

And yet in relationships it's still possible, obviously, when both are

in a kind of unconscious dynamic, as you said, kind of validating

each other's core wounds, that they are right at a subconscious level.

But at the same time, when we pay attention, that's where the

embodiment piece starts to happen.

How, how have you noticed your journey of embodiment deepening through relationship?

Gosh, how have I noticed?

I mean, that's been really the, the arc of my own evolution has really

been through romantic relationships.

Um, I mean, others for sure play their part, but I think until such

time that we become sufficiently vulnerable through what we, you know,

we declare as love, which I think is, uh, sometimes a misnomer for people.

But I have grown immensely courtesy of all the relationships I've had,

sometimes like a spiritual two by four around the head, you know, is really not

very pleasant and sometimes just very, you know, a gentle insight that was

like, oh wow, I'd never realized that that was the way that I interpreted,

communicated, listened, or whatever it is.

So, I'm grateful for all of the relationships I've had

that have been meaningful.

You know, I think if, if there isn't a depth of connection,

then the real internal transformations tend not to happen.

So, you know, I've certainly had some relationships that are a little bit

more superficial or just fun, but for those that have been meaningful

and heartfelt, um, I definitely have been humbled a few times, you know,

with regards to my own maturity or lack thereof, you know, early on.

And realizing, I think, you know, just even in the last year or so,

I recognize that one of my deepest forms of conditioning is, um, is

that fierce independence, right?

Like I'm very, very comfortable by myself.

I love my own company.

I'm, uh, prolifically creative.

So I've got a myriad of projects that I'm always working on.

There's no boredom in my life.

Um.

I'm being pulled to every corner of the globe to speak, to help, to work,

to, you know, align with people.

And, um, so there's never any malaise in my life being by myself.

But as a result, uh, and you don't have to be a rocket scientist,

you might know my story.

I was orphaned by 17.

My, my mom died when I was seven.

My dad went to work when I was 17, never came back.

And so for, you know, three plus decades, I've been pretty

good at, um, being by myself.

And that's not necessarily the greatest conduit, uh, for affinity with another.

And so that's something that even of late, I've realized the distinction between me

being free from the suffering of life.

Like, I don't consider myself to be at the effect of life at all.

I'm not a victim.

I'm totally okay with whatever happens.

It might not be my personal preference, but it doesn't,

you know, it doesn't upset me.

But then, you know, to be freedom with somebody, you know, in partnership is

I think the next evolution that I'm now exploring, which is really powerful.

So yeah, relationships have been the number one, uh, inspiration

for my evolution for sure.

Thank you for sharing about, about your journey losing your mother

at at seven and your father at 17.

I lost my father to cancer when I was 14 years old.

And specifically talking about the loss of the

masculine role model.

That journey for you when you lost your healthy masculine role model,

how did you find safety, security, and, and, and started to feel

powerful in your masculine energy?

I think to begin with, I didn't, you know, I mean, I think at 17 there's

this sort of false bravado that we all have thinking that we know,

um, how to manage ourselves, how to function in life, and it's sort

of, you know, true oblivion, right?

Like we're just unconscious, ignorant.

And so, um, that was, that was a long time coming for me to really discover

my own healthy masculine, you know, not the masculine that is built on

performance or competition, um, but really a masculine that's founded in

self, you know, worth and grounded in my own true essence, that that took a while.

Uh, and I think it's an ever, you know, for, for every man, I

think it's an ongoing proposition.

You know, I'm still now looking at the different qualities of what

it is to be a true, authentic man, just as it is for, you know, any

woman to be a true, authentic woman.

I think there's so, so many, um, misconstrued concepts of what it is to

be a man or a woman, and it's really contaminated the natural state of being

for, for both masculine and feminine.

So it's an ongoing, uh, arc of growth for me and something that

I love to, to study and integrate.

And, you know, I'm now as part of my offerings with all of my work, you know,

really developing programs to facilitate men and women to become men and women, not

little boys and little girls, you know.

So, it's something that I'm really excited to bring here, probably in the next sort

of 12 to 24 months to help people really tap into, you know, what is the divine

feminine, what is the divine masculine?

What does that, like, what are the characteristics?

What are the behavioral adaptations, you know, that we've used either in

a maladaptive way to survive, or that when we tap into the true, essence

of what it is to be a real man and a real woman, what does that look like?

Most people don't have good role models, as you know, for you.

I'm sorry to hear about your dad, but like, you know, when you're

stripped of a father figure or a mother figure at an early age, first

of all, you lose that archetype.

But, you know, with no, uh, judgment of any parents, to what

degree was that mom or dad even a good archetype in the first place?

You know, oftentimes they're not the greatest role models 'cause they're

human beings doing the best they can as well, and they have their own traumas and

shortcomings and fears and inadequacies.

So, um, I think the world needs, um, a blueprint for what it is to be,

uh, somebody who's truly embodied in their masculine and feminine.

So it's an ongoing proposition.

It's something that I love to explore.

And, um, I'm still in the finding process, I think, you know, but at the same time

I feel pretty proud of, you know, where I've gotten to as a man relative to really

not having any, you know, foundation from my parents because they obviously,

uh, exited at a quite young age.

The journey from boy to man.

What would you, what would you say is the most important aspect about

this journey, about this initiation?

Ooh, that's a good question.

There's so many different facets, but I think, you know, sovereignty, if I were

to put it in one word, you know, and then the, the one word that I really find is

usually absent for most human beings is responsibility or, or accountability, I

think they're sort of synonym, synonyms.

Um, but I. I think, you know, there's a dependency that is innate, right?

With being a child, right?

You can't fault a child who needs shelter and food and protection.

So there's that transition, and I don't think it's an overnight thing.

I think back in the day, what we do miss is these initiation periods

that boys used to go through.

Like maybe you, you know, send a 15, 16-year-old kid out into the

wild for three or four nights and he's gotta figure it out, you know?

Uh, we don't do that anymore.

It's sort of you sit in front of a couch and play your Nintendos or watch

Netflix and apparently you become a man.

But, uh, so I think, you know, responsibility, accountability, and

self ownership are probably the biggest qualities that I find missing even in

some of my peers, you know, with, again, without any judgment or criticism, um,

where they're still being driven by these subtle underlying feelings of inadequacy

and security and scarcity, which has them, uh, be at the effect of life or

put too much pressure on their partner, you know, girlfriend, wife, whatever

it is, to, uh, baby them a little bit.

And I know many women feel that.

Um, but it's also, uh, reciprocated, right?

There's a lot of women out there who are still, you know, uh, I know it's

cliche, but, um, being driven by their daddy wound, you know, and wanting

the man to sort of mollycoddle them.

So I think there's this mal adaption and this, um, this feeling

of inadequacy on both sides.

Where I think a lot of men struggle with the absence of

community, the absence of tribe.

And so this is why men, um, are, are highly skewed more

towards suicide than women.

Women tend to be much better at opening up, being vulnerable,

and speaking to each other.

'cause I think they're blessed with the f the faculty of listening to each other.

Women know how to listen.

Men not so well.

And so I think men struggle to find, you know, community.

Um, so I, I, I, you know, there's sort of one cautionary, uh, uh, disclaimer

there, which is yes, to be responsible, accountable and be your own man.

But also that includes having, um, some sort of.

Um, companionship with other men, um, so that there is a feeling of support.

But, uh, I would wrap it up in saying that a boy is at the effect of life

because he's looking through the lender dependency, whereas a man is no longer

at the effect of life, but rather as the author of his own existence.

Um, there's a, there's an entirely different level of, um, accountability,

responsibility, and dominion that, you know, a man has when he realizes

that he is the master of his own fate.

I heard you say something really deep,

and I think a lot of people would not express that with the courage you did,

but you mentioned that the loss of your parents, even though incredibly

painful, in a way it also set something free, or the terminology I believe you

used was it set you free on your path to, to embody your sense of manhood.

And of course you added the distinction to it that this is extremely painful

and one has to work for the pain first.

At the same time, we see men who still need to care, take or feel they need to

care, take for their mother's emotions.

They need to still prove themselves to their father.

Can you talk a little bit more about that one?

The pain?

Yes.

But then what do you mean by it set you free?

Is, was it around expectations no longer needing to prove something to them?

Um, to a certain degree, I think it's commonplace, um, particularly I think

for the masculine, maybe less so for the feminine, uh, but where the boy is

under the illusion that he's meant to fulfill on some sort of dharma or destiny

that was, um, to appease the father.

You know, like it's commonplace, of course, where if a father has a

business, oftentimes the children, particularly the son, will come into,

you know, the corporation and help take over and eventually sort of be

the new custodian of that company.

So I think there is a sort of an unwritten expectation for sure that,

you know, well, whatever it is, I mean, it's cliche that the parents want the

son to be a doctor or the daughter to be a lawyer or whatever it is.

And so, uh, even though those conversations might be far and few

between the child hears where there's the assignment of value, right?

Like, we all want to feel worthy, we all want to feel loved,

and they tend to be collapsed.

So if a child hears that, you know, maybe the parents are doctors.

And so there's this sort of, in insinuation that the, the child should

continue that legacy and become a doctor because that's, you know, how you become

revered in the community, that's what gives you stability financially in a

bit of status in, in, in the world.

Um, but underneath it, maybe that child really wanted to be a

dancer, an artist, uh, I, I don't know, a mechanic, whatever it is.

And so I think there is, for many people, um, subtle pressure

and sometimes not so subtle.

You know, sometimes parents are overtly, you know, outwardly spoken about what

they, they want their children to do.

Um, we see this in all of those cliche pageant things where, you

know, girls, uh, have got a, an undue amount of, uh, emphasis on appearance,

you know, whereas for men, there's, you know, the same sort of pressure,

but it tends to be financially.

So for me, you know, to address your question, I feel,

yeah, I mean, it's horrific.

I still wish at times I could just sit down with my dad and my mom

and get to know them as adults.

'Cause you know, when you're a kid, you have no interest in learning

about their history, their upbringing.

And now as a man, I would love to have learned, you know, what did

they go through in their marriage?

What did they go through in their childhood?

And understand the arc of their, their journey.

But nonetheless, spiritually, you know, uh, without sounding too esoteric, we

clearly had a soul agreement between the three of us that, um, they,

they ran the course of their life.

And then, yeah, it may sound too philosophical for many people, but

I, I feel that it, it afforded me the absence of expectation, right?

It was the removal of any unwritten rules as to who Peter Crone was supposed to

become because those voices were now gone.

You know, and again, uh, for a lot of people, their parents might have

died, but they still have the legacy of what they're supposed to fulfill on.

I didn't have that.

So I think it did set me up for, ironically, you know, my whole

messaging is around freedom.

And, and, and I know this to be true because I hear so many of my peers now

who are dealing with sick parents, right?

They're having to go to hospital visits, doctors visits.

They're putting their parents in hospice.

And I was talking to somebody not that long ago, probably the last couple of

weeks, who was under the impression that whilst they felt guilty saying

it, they said, you know, at one level I, I, I'm kind of looking forward to

the passing of, in this case, their dad, because one, the dad is sick and

he doesn't wanna see his dad in pain.

But then he said, two, I feel like I'll be able to breathe a sigh of relief because

I can now just get on with my life.

And, um, I think that's probably.

You know, more common than people are willing to maybe admit that, um, there's

an energetic, uh, and a biological bond, right, between parents and children.

And there's this sort of, again, um, invisible container I think

that most children live within based on the narratives that they've

heard for, you know, let's face it, usually 3, 4, 5 decades that

their parents have been around.

And so, um, many of those get severed when the parents die.

And there's this new sense of liberation that a lot of children feel where it's

like, okay, I don't have to quote unquote, put up with the judgment, the criticism,

feel like I'm, I've let my parents down.

And so, as sad as it is to say, you know, the demise of a parent is oftentimes

the, um, the, the, the rejuvenation of a child into a new possibility for,

for how they can now live their life.

So I guess I circumnavigated that whole thing.

you know, from the age of 17.

That doesn't mean it was easy.

What would you say to a man who, is worried, who is ident

identified with their role, or

they see masculinity as my ability to provide?

And then of course, that creates so much scarcity and limitation.

How would you help such a man shift?

Um, I think it's, again, you have beautiful questions.

I think it's, um, it's, it's on both sides.

But, and, and again, if we look at the stereotypes, so the masculine,

it tends to be around, you know, providing, which I would put

under the auspices of performing.

You know, for women it tends to be around beauty and appearance, right?

These are very cliche stereotypes, but nonetheless, they're very

embedded into current society.

So, you know, for a man who's struggling, I would, first of all, as I always do,

I just wanna lead with love, right?

It, it's okay.

It's okay to feel.

Even the sense of inadequacy.

It's okay as a man to feel like you are, let's say he's married and even

has kids and he's, um, not providing or not to the level that he wants, or even

God forbid, his partner is, you know, judging him for the absence of provision.

What that human being needs more than anything is, uh, is support, is

love, is compassion, is acceptance.

So that's where I would start, because invariably, in the absence of those

qualities of holding and seeing somebody, and really hearing somebody, they are

gonna be living in a world of fear and pressure, which is, you know, the

precursor to not performing, right?

So if we look at it just energetically, if somebody is feeling inadequate,

well then they're probably being.

Informed by a sense of fear as the primary emotion.

And fear is not the conduit to great performance.

You know, I've worked with, uh, probably a few hundred professional athletes and

they all know that if they're coming from a state of being scared or, um,

in any way anxious about performance, they typically don't do very well.

So that, that would be the first, um, antidote is to love and support that

man in the position that he's in, and allow him to know that it's okay to be

scared, it's okay to feel inadequate.

Then we want to sort of start to do the deeper dive into, you know,

how long has that been there?

Like, is this a typical way that you feel about yourself and relate to life?

And if so, when did that start?

You know, and it could be as mundane as perhaps he had an older brother

who was smarter, faster, and a better, uh, academic and athlete.

And so from that moment, you know, 5, 6, 7 years old, that, that man now at 47, 48.

He is still looking through the lens of he's less than, because that was,

you know, the conditioning that he became accustomed to growing up.

And of course it's not a truth, but it becomes this invisible prison in

which that being becomes trapped.

So, you know, I think we start with acceptance and love.

We hold someone for where they are, it's okay.

And then secondly, we want to investigate the validity of whatever narratives

and limitations are holding them back.

And then, you know, thirdly, we would wanna see, well, if that's not true,

if it's not true that you're less than, if that's gone, how would you feel?

And typically you're gonna immediately see relief.

It's like, whew, if I'm not less than I can do anything, I'm, you know, and

then they start to tap into this natural embodiment of their own potentiality

and they start to become unstoppable.

What I see in my practice, I work with both men and women, but I do

extensive men's work When a man is no longer identified with the, with being

the provider and actually focuses on nervous system mastery and all the

things you mentioned about sovereignty, responsibility and that deeper

liberation, we'll talk about that.

You talk about the kind of becoming the best version of your limited self

and transcending that limited self.

Well, let's unpack that in a second.

But it's, it's, when a man lives from that place, abundance comes naturally.

I, I, I, I've never seen anyone who lives from that place or accesses

that place, not create abundance.

Yeah.

And it's also to really recognize and help people remember that

worth as it relates to the human level is a complete story, right?

Like, that might fluctuate during the course of your life, but your

inherent value is, um, untouchable.

You know, you, you are literally the only you on the planet.

Um, you're a being who has all of the same attributes and characteristics

and qualities of any other being.

And so when people really start to understand that their worth is

inherent, it's not something that's earned because of performance.

It's not something that you deserve because of what you

accomplished, it's there.

And so in the absence of the stories to the contrary, then you start to

just tap into that and live from that energy of abundance and self-worth

because it's innate, it's not something that you have to work at.

And that's, you know, part of unfortunately the, the systematic

and indoctrination and education of children, and we are, we're taught

that well, if you do something good, then you get the reward, whatever

it is, like clean your bedroom and then you can have the cookie or.

And so we're under the impression that in order to, um, get love or

acknowledgement or value, uh, we have to do something versus, uh, really

reeducating people to understand, know that your love, uh, and your capacity

to be loved is in, in innate, there's, there's nothing you have to do.

Like a baby when it's born is being shouted and inundated with love and

you know, oh my gosh, it's a miracle.

The baby hasn't done shit, you know.

Like the baby is just lying there, vomiting, screaming, crying, laughing.

And yet we see this as one of the most precious commodities,

um, in, in existence.

And so when people really start to correlate that same value that is the

baby that they were one day has never gone anywhere, and it's not because

you didn't tidy your room or that you didn't make six figures this year, you

know, then you start to live from an entirely different vibration, which as

you said, is a precursor to typically then if you want, you know, manifesting

material wealth outside of you.

But it's got nothing to do with your own psychological story of worth.

You, you talk about dissolving the kind of mental prison that people find

themselves, and I love that sentence that you said, people become the

best version of their limited self.

They become the best version of unworthiness.

Maybe they make material success at the highest level, but they still operate from

total, from a total prison, essentially.

How do you help someone see, number one, that they are living from

a false or conditioned identity?

And number two, how do they start the process of stepping into the

unknown, into the uncomfortable or uncomfortable at first, kind of

dissolving that mental prison and into the deeper essence of who they are?

A

bit of a question, isn't it?

Yeah, no, absolutely.

And I guess it's, uh, you know, if I were to say that I have a talent

or a gift, uh, that's it, right?

Is so first of all, people have to be willing to look and, you know,

this is why I love that people from all around the world will sign up

for my mastermind and they go on this journey of that kind of inquiry, right?

People come to me with whatever their problems are, and then we unpack

it and go, okay, well is it really because you can't find a relationship?

Is it really 'cause you can't make money?

Is it really because you have this health issue?

Or is there something deeper going on?

It's like Carl Jung had a great quote, he said, until the unconscious is

made conscious, it will drive your life and you'll call it fate, right?

So this is really what we're doing, is we're bringing the unconscious to

the conscious level and then helping people see, oh my gosh, you know, it's

not that right now, uh, you are in this position where you feel, uh, you're

never gonna meet someone or you're never gonna have a loving relationship.

It's, uh, from when you were a kid, you know, you were

told that you weren't wanted.

And so you've lived inside of that narrative, this invisible

conversation, for 40, 50 years.

So that's how is, first of all, people have to be willing, they have to show up.

They want to engage.

'cause you go up to someone on the street, you know, I could probably read

people's energies pretty accurately, but if they're not willing to talk about it,

you're just gonna be met with defense and probably a few fuck yous, you know?

So it's, uh, the willingness, uh, to look and then, and then,

as I said, investigating the validity of these stories.

Um, and then, yes, it can be scary, but it's not, it's usually euphoric, right?

Because it's like taking off a tight shoe.

You know, if you've been living inside of a constraint that has become normalized,

one, you, you become accustomed to it to the point that you don't even

know it's there anymore, but then two.

When it's revisited, you start to see the cost of what it's like to live inside of

a world where you don't think you're good enough, there's something wrong with you,

um, you're not loved, you're not wanted, you know, you then, then the flood works.

The, you know, the, the, they, they, they, the tears, the emotions that have been

associated with that, that all comes out, you know, and that's really beautiful.

That can be uncomfortable for somebody, but it's also very liberating because it's

all of this stored emotion and feeling.

Um, and then typically it's less about being scared of the unknown,

it's more you get this sense of feeling vital and alive with the

possibility of who could you be in the absence of that previous constraint.

And that's one of the things that I love to talk about is helping people

understand that it doesn't matter how hard you try to manifest a life that

you say you want, if it's in conflict with your deeper conditioning, you're

just hitting your head against a wall.

And that's when people start to see that.

They're like, holy shit.

You, you are.

Every human being is wired and programmed to think, feel, and act a certain way.

So if that's not, uh, in harmony with the desires and dreams and aspirations

that you have, you can try all you want.

And some people will attain some of them, but then they'll usually sabotage

them or it will be at a great expense to their health or their relationships

because they're trying to force something.

Talking about, let's say a person is doing all the work, whatever

that's supposed to mean, right?

They're doing all

the work.

They're checking all the boxes, and yet they feel stuck.

Would you say then, that the reason why they feel stuck is not because

they're not, they're not doing enough, they are hitting the ceiling

of their programming and narrative, and they need to transcend it?

For sure.

But there's also a slightly more insidious part to that.

So it's not just that what they're doing is hitting their ceiling, but

the reason they're doing what they're doing is because of their limitations.

You see, it's so slippery, right?

So all of the actions that anybody does.

Their behaviors are a continuum, right?

They're inextricably connected to their way of viewing life.

You know, the way that people view life, their perspective is what informs

the way they feel, the way they act, and consequently the results they get.

So whatever anyone's doing with all of the best intentions is typically

being driven by the unconscious conditioning that they're oblivious to.

That's why it takes real introspection and reflection to work with somebody

who can point out these blind spots, 'cause otherwise what becomes normal

for you is not natural, but it is in line with your programming.

So even the behaviors sometimes to mitigate or reconcile programming

is reinforcing programming.

So some, someone doing the three hour meditation say, but they're doing it from

the programming of, I am not good enough.

I need to get rid of, might have far fewer results than the person doing a one

minute meditation, but they're doing it from a place of I am already good enough.

Absolutely.

Frequency proceeds form is one of my, you know, many quotes.

So, yeah.

So the frequency by which we function, view ourselves, and we live from

will generate the form around us.

It's profound when you can see that the conditioning that people have

is Undeniably the precursor to all of the circumstances of their life.

Um, you know, so if you want to change your reality, which everybody does, right?

Everybody's got something they wanna change their body, their

relationships, their finances, their purpose, their job, their home.

But usually what people are doing is they're trying to change their

circumstances without looking at who they are that created them in the first place.

And so until such time that you really shift the frequency of who

you are, um, then it's gonna be, uh, a little bit of a foot on the brake,

foot on the accelerator scenario for trying to change your circumstances.

And that's why I love using the analogy of a radio because everybody gets it.

Like, you know, an old school radio that you would tune

into a particular frequency.

At that frequency there is the effortless connection with the

music on that same frequent.

There's no effort required.

You, this doesn't require willpower or force.

It's there automatically.

So if you want, if you'll say on classic rock, but what you want is RnB, well,

it is not about staying at classic rock, which would be, I'm gonna be

stuck to my own programming, but I'm gonna try and force different outcomes.

You have to shift the frequency of who you are, at which point RnB will

become effortlessly available to you.

And the same applies to health, wealth, and relationships

once people really get it.

Let's talk about the, we touched upon manifestation a little bit here.

Let's talk about that sacred tension between everything is

my responsibility and also I let go of control and surrender.

You said something powerful.

I heard you say it's not all up to us, and there is obviously also as you say, a

responsibility for creating our reality.

How do we find the balance or the alignment between the two?

What does it really mean in practice to surrender, but at the same time also

work towards, let's say, attracting a divine counterpart or, or anything else.

uh, I think you used the word there yourself, which is alignment, right?

We're co-creators.

We are not silos.

It's not all up to us, but nor are we just victims of life.

And so to find that sweet spot of co-creation.

And really to continue the analogy of the radio, the only illusion I would say

is time where people become impatient.

They, they're like, yeah, but I really want this, i've done the work

again, you know, whatever the work is.

But then it's like, to what degree does something become actually present in

your life is just the illusion of time.

So if something is not there, uh, then typically one, you know, the frequency

hasn't shifted, you know, authentically, it might be a, a masquerading frequency.

You, you look like a spiritual person on the surface, but at home, you know, you're

incredibly, uh, derogatory and angry towards your children or your spouse.

Uh, uh, so there's, uh, there's an inauthenticity at play.

So that's the first thing to rec recognize is to what degree am

I truly inherently vibrating at the frequency that is reflective

of the life that I wish to have.

Then if you really are embodying that, the only illusion is time.

And so, uh, I often say in the, the arc of somebody's evolution into what

I would consider this new type of human being, then two of the hardest lessons

at the end are trust in patience.

So, uh, if I have done the work to transcend and dissolve the constraints of

my own suffering, now it's uh, almost like this no man's land for a little while.

Where I've come out of the world of survival, which is what everyone's

programmed to live within, just trying to make it through life.

And now I'm sort of in this little bit of a holding pattern until I start to

align with what I would call soul driven motivations versus ego-driven motivations.

Most people's will to live is driven by survival, right?

They're trying to keep up with the appearances that were bestowed upon

them by their parents or society.

Uh, they're trying to garner love and acceptance from their peers.

They're trying to, as we discussed earlier, establish a

sense of worth by performance.

But it's all survival based.

When you let go of that, you step into a world where you're driven more

by a calling, by a sense of purpose.

Your intuition is, oh, hang on a minute, it doesn't have to be that hard.

I've always loved to.

Dance or express myself in music or art, or I've always felt a calling

to help third world countries or kids who are starving or.

And once it becomes this more, um, innate feeling of, um, creativity,

um, then it's just a matter of letting life align with that.

And, and that can be, that can be that last challenge, which is patience.

So that is the shift though, to come from a world that is driven entirely by

surviving, because of the world of fear and limitation that most people are by

default still stuck in and then aligning with something that is more, um, natural.

It's the qualities of the soul that you are, that has a feeling of joy.

It has a feeling of freedom.

It's not based on anything.

Most people's will and motivations have an agenda.

Uh, I'm doing something because, you know, I go to work even though I

hate my job because I have to pay my mortgage and put food on the table.

And I'm not saying that's, uh, you know, an invalid way to live.

It's just an exhausting way to exist.

Um, so that's the transition from a world that is built on, uh, limitations,

fear, and then leads to surviving to the world that is, you know,

driven by living from the experience of our true essence, which is, you

know, freedom, love, and possibility of the words that I always use.

There's something you said there around a person transcending or starting to

transcend their, their limitations.

They start to access this higher state of awareness for lack of better words

or whatever terminology we want to use, and then it's up to trust and patience.

I think that's really important for the listeners because

some people then say, but why is it not here yet?

Or, or, I feel this liberation, but it's not here.

So now I'm going

back to limitation.

Yeah.

And that's why I said they're the two I know for myself, you know, however, I've

done this now for close to 30 years, and at the beginning there was this euphoria,

there's this sense of complete, an utter freedom that cascaded, uh, through every

cell of my body where I truly experienced, uh, a version of myself in life that I

did not know was even available to me.

Um, that didn't mean all of a sudden I had millions of dollars in my bank account

or, you know, that I was being asked to fly around the world as I'm now to

speak to some of the, the who's who and sports and business and entertainment.

But it was nonetheless the foundation upon which all of that got to exist.

So, um, yeah, it's, it's knowing that there is a, there, there is an arc,

you know, to going from a world that is built on the premise that you are

an individual separate who has to fight for existence, to then recognizing the

unity and even in physics, the unified field of which we're all apart, right?

That I'm not separate.

And that is, uh, for a lot of people, that's very confronting, you know, because

it goes against everything that we've known, the cognitive dis dissonance that

people experience of like, wait, what?

Like my father didn't really hate me because I, I never saw him

from the age of three to 20, 23?

Um, and you start to understand the conditions by which your

life has come into existence.

And then there's a little bit more.

Humility.

So having trust in patience is part of the arc.

You know, uh, sometimes it's instantaneous.

I mean, I've worked with people who, you know, after a conversation the

very next day they, they found some news or they received an opportunity

that was never gonna be available to them in their previous frequency.

Uh, and then other things take a little bit of time.

And so that to me is part of the beauty of what it is to be human and go on this

journey of sort of cosmic hide and seek, you know, where we step into different

iterations of ourselves and constantly die to those that are previously limiting us.

Um, but then having, you know, the wherewithal to realize that

my shift is the precursor to life rearranging itself around me.

And sometimes that does take a little bit of time and to even

enjoy that process, you know.

Because if we're given everything instantaneously, I, I think the

value that's associated with it becomes, you know, compromised.

It's, it doesn't mean so much anymore.

Uh, and I think there's something beautiful about, you know, doing the work

internally ourselves and then trusting the process because that builds confidence.

It builds companionship with life itself.

It's like, okay, forgive me, I didn't have enough faith there to begin with, but you

know, you still delivered, uh, the more that I stuck with my, my deeper intuition

and knowing that it's all gonna work out,

I think we're touching really upon, off on the word surrender here as well.

maybe a slightly poetic question,

but I feel that in the surrender of the heart as a man specifically, that

that kind of masculine journey of the surrender of the heart, the, the worry

of devotion, the worry of love, there is the feminine quality and energy to it.

But there's also this immense courage, almost a kind of deep masculine

strength in, in that surrender.

How did you experience that surrender, and did you experience that as

a sense of strength inside you?

I did.

You know, the, the exercise I take, usually my athletes, 'cause they're

sort of the pinnacle of performance in what they do is I take them through

an exercise where I ask them the question that they, you know, um, more

a statement that I ask 'em to repeat, which is, uh, they say, I am forceful.

And then they have to feel that in their body.

What does that look like?

How does that manifest in their performance?

And typically, not always, but I would say 99% of the time, you know, the

words that come back or I feel like I'm pushing, I feel tense, I'm trying

hard, I'm squeezing, you know, these words that are related with, uh, maybe

a resistance in an effort, right?

And then I say, okay, and now I want you to say the following.

I am powerful.

And immediately usually, you know, I might even have them have their eyes closed.

I typically see their face soften, their shoulders relax, and they go, I

feel very calm, I feel very still, I feel, uh, grounded, I feel unmovable.

And so they, to me as words are really the, um, ability to distinguish

between what you tapped into, you know, what you're talking about,

the strength of surrender versus maybe, uh, the apathy of surrender.

Like a lot of people can surrender, but really it's not,

it's not a genuine surrender.

It's an apathy that is more to do with res, you know, resignation

or lethargy or quitting.

That's not, that's not powerful at all.

And so, you know, that's unfortunately one of the things that a lot of

humans fall into is, you know, in lay terms, well, fuck it.

I don't give a shit, which is really pouting.

It's really, you know, a child who is, disconnected, who feels, um, weak.

And so that's the antithesis of the force that we want to tap into, or,

or rather the power that we want to tap into, which is, you know, the,

the sovereignty, going back to those words and the responsibility, the

accountability of being a powerful man.

Yes, there's, there's, there's a surrender, but it's not a surrender

that is based in quitting or giving up.

It's a surrender that is based in harmony.

It's a surrender that's based in alignment with the forces of the universe that

obviously we pale in comparison to, but nonetheless we're a part of, right?

We're not separate to.

And so when we recognize that the surrender is really an alliance

with the force of nature, uh, it's not the apathetic, uh,

sort of differentiation from it.

And that to me is an entirely different way to live life, where

surrender is actually the coupling of my force with, you know, the power,

uh, of mother nature and life itself.

It's where the surrender, ironically, is to the part of me that felt

it was all up to me that was trying to force things to happen.

Uh, and a true surrender is where I align with the way things

are naturally meant to happen.

Uh, and I'm not separate to that.

So that's the way I would distinguish it, is the difference between

one, uh, ego driven, which is all about separation survival,

which has a forceful nature to it.

And two, which is recognizing that I'm not a separate entity, that I am

inherently connected with all things.

And for that reason, I am absolutely bestowed with the essence of power.

And it's, it's easier to force, to push, to try, I'd say, than to truly surrender.

Uh, it's only easier because of what's become normalized.

It's not easy in terms of actual physics or truth, right?

It's easier because it's familiar.

It's not easy in terms of reality.

Great distinction.

There is one topic as the last one I want to dive into with you.

Ai, the rapid advancement of technology, algorithms becoming more seducive, people

getting more sucked into technology.

You say your product is freedom or

you, your deepest offering to the world is helping people free their minds,

free their spirits, free, their souls.

With the rapid advancement of technology and specifically AI, which I see

as much more seductive than what has been there previously, how can

people stay in that state of freedom?

That's a great question.

I think it's, it's no different than the seduction of a romantic relationship, the

seduction, as we touched on before, of the feeling of being somehow, uh, aligned

with parents and the, the underlying sense of loyalty that one feels, even

if it's against their own intuition.

It's just another means of relativity, which is how we started this whole

conversation about relationships ,is the means by which we get to see ourselves.

So who are you in communion with AI?

Who are you?

In those dialogues?

You know, what is the underlying agenda?

What are you looking to discover?

Are you looking for a reflection of self-worth because you lack it?

Are you looking for a sense of security because you live in a

world where you don't feel safe?

You know?

So really rather than.

Again, becoming too, um, sort of bamboozled by the outside world, which

as you said, can be very seductive.

I mean, we've got people who are trained in the art of manipulation.

All of these psychological operations that exist in the world that we have

seen, especially over the last few years.

You know, these are multi-billion dollar campaigns, uh, where you get the, the,

the consistent programming from news channels that will say the same thing

until such time that people are really brainwashed to believe something about

a political figure or, you know, a celebrity or whatever war's going on.

You know, the, the divide and conquer methodology is very, very

alive out there in the world.

So I think it's for somebody to be able to just take a beat, you know, going

back to trust and patience, which is, you know, before you engage in anything,

whether it be a physical relationship with another human or a digital relationship

with AI, is, you know, really check in with yourself and ask, you know, what,

what am I trying to accomplish here?

Because typically it's not so much something that I'm wanting to proactively

create, but rather it's a reaction to something that I feel is missing.

And if I'm being driven by something that is, is lacking, uh, or that is wrong,

then I'm only gonna reinforce that.

And so it's the ability, again, for self-reflection.

I mean, all of it, as I said at the beginning, is really a mirror

for our own, uh, revelation.

You know, I, I've often used the expression that life is revelatory.

It, it's not so much about discovering something out there, but really

uncovering the nature of who we are.

And so, use, you know, use your neighbor, use your kids, use your

parents, use your best friends, use your office, you know, colleagues, use AI.

It doesn't really matter.

Whatever means of interaction and communication you're using, if it's done

correctly, will be the catalyst for you to discover something about yourself.

But if you make it about what's out there, then, then you're missing the point.

So I have no problem with AI.

I know people have all of their concerns and considerations.

Uh, I, I think it's just another extension of the human psyche.

And so to what degree you want to understand that and use AI as maybe

for some people, uh, are actually a really more profound way of

self-discovery because they don't have the social, shortcomings and

implications of shame and embarrassment that they might have with their

colleagues asking the same questions.

It's almost like a, a safe space, right?

To have a dialogue where you don't feel judged 'cause you're

just interacting with technology.

So at one level, I think AI is wonderful because people get to be more

self-expressed, they're gonna be less self-conscious, which means they're

a little bit closer to the truth.

But then just be conscious of how those conversations are leading you

to, you know, your own revelations, are they yours or are they being

sort of superimposed by technology?

I mean, we've, we've heard the story, I'm sure you have, of how

Chat GPT, you know, really talked some kid into killing himself, right?

But to what degree is that really the quote unquote problem of technology or

like any kind of, uh, external mechanism we use, you know, you could look at

drugs or alcohol in the same way, right?

That it really amplifies somebody's underlying narrative.

So to what degree did that kid already have some sort of inbuilt, you know,

self-destructive programming that AI just reflected, you know, and

that, that's a, that's a question, i'm not making that as a statement.

You know, so with regards to how we all interact with ai, I would invite people

just as they would with a partner, a loved one or a friend, you know,

what is the underlying motivation?

Where are you being informed, you know, from?

What is the underlying conditioning that has you pose these questions or

create these behaviors that really is a reflection of you that you

are here to discover versus just to confirm or amplify because of some

external conversation with technology?

That, that would be my invitation.

I think it's a powerful invitation because it's a different perspective

also, and I think you talked about it already, that fear narrative of, oh,

the next thing, now it's AI and this, but five years later, there's another

thing, and there's another thing, and you are saying, from what I'm hearing is

if you're looking into outside world, you're missing the point.

It has always been your relationship to the thing,

whether that's in 1780 or now, or in a hundred years, the work

that needs to be done remains the same the same, so to speak.

The medium by which we get to see it is just becoming more elaborate, right?

So before you lived in a village, you didn't get to travel around the world,

you weren't jumping on airplanes to go to a different continent, you know,

you really were just reliant on the conversations that were maybe from your

elders and the wise people in the tribe, or, you know, for whoever was the person

that you're building a, you know, a barn with or whatever it was, right?

So now the means by which we get to interface with different types

of conversations has just become, you know, more sophisticated.

That's it.

But then if you recognize the benefit of that, and you look through the lens of to

what degree can I utilize these mediums to better understand myself, well, you know,

have at it that, that's, that's the gift.

You have more means of self-reflection.

It's, it's like, um, you know, I, I worked with a bunch of athletes, right?

And some of the technology that I saw happen, for example, I started working

with PGA tour golfers, you know, back in.

Gosh, 2007 or something.

And you know, back in the day, like the, the way that they would capture golfers

and swings and stuff was, you know, it's a TV camera and that's about it.

Then they got, you know, track man and they could like measure, you

know, the speed and the distance and now they start to include that on the

TV broadcast where you can see the line of where the golf ball's going.

And then they would also suddenly have, I remember on some of the tee boxes, I

think about 30 cameras that were in an arc around a, uh, a guy hitting the golf

ball so that then they could portray every particular angle and move, you

know, in 3D real time, the perspective that the viewing audience is able to

watch the swing, whereas before it was just, you know, head on or from behind.

And that's it.

So what does that do?

It just, it sort of, it gives you more perspective.

It gives you more angles to be able to understand something, which even in the

realm of science or anything to do with physics, gives you more information.

So AI and all of these different forms of, um, uh, advanced technology

that we get to interact with now is, is a, it's akin to just giving you

a, a greater number of perspectives on yourself, which then to me, helps

you to better understand who you are.

Cause otherwise it was just, you know, your mom would say, no, you're wonderful.

And your dad would say, no, you're a punk.

You know, and it's like, you got these two perspectives to work on and you know,

what, what are you gonna do with that?

Right?

Like, whoever's the most dominant in the figure, in the family is the one that

you would probably like lean towards.

Whereas now it's like we, we get inundated with a myriad of different

ways of understanding who we are.

That can at times be overwhelming for sure.

You know, that can be even more confusing.

But if you're willing to sit quietly and really feel intuitively into which ones

resonate the most, then to me it's a, um, it's a much more accurate way for

self, uh, realization and discovery.

For people wanting to dive deeper into your powerful work,

where's the best way for them to connect with you with you and your work?

Uh, best place to find me on social media.

It's all just my name, Peter Crone.

So Instagram is @PeterCrone.

I think Facebook, Peter Crone, the Mind Architect, and then, um, petercrone.com.

If people want to go deeper, you know, my two biggest offerings are the

membership, which is a very easy lift.

It's super affordable, uh, if you want to just go through a hundred

plus hours of content on how to free your mind, how to free your

relationships, what is financial freedom?

There's just a ton of courses.

Or the most profound way to engage with me is my three and a half month

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go into all of the intricacies of what it is to be human and coach people.

And that to date is, uh, my most, uh, successful, profound,

and enjoyable journey for people who really wanna break free.

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