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Welcome back. Melissa, Delia here the host of the don't wait

for your wake up call podcast and I'm excited to bring you

another wonderful guest today. Today I'm introducing you to Deb

king of the wisdom playground. Welcome, Deb.

Thank you, Melissa. So excited to be here.

Though, as you can probably hear her lovely

Australian accent. It's very early in her morning as we're

recording this episode. So extra special. Thanks for being here.

And Deb is the co founder of the wisdom playground a new era

business incubator that supports coaches and healers to create

greater ease, profit and impact. Deb describes herself as a

happiness ambassador. How amazing is that? And

enthusiastic human with a passion for music, travel life,

people and all things uplifting. Her unconventional career

includes being a bouncer, nightclub manager in London,

through to other leadership sales and marketing roles. And

across the past 20 years, she has coached, mentored and

trained 1000s of people globally as a transformational master

coach, as I said, from Australia, so no wonder Deb has

become a wonderful friend of mine over the last couple of

years since we met online. And given that this month is the

theme of play. I thought that Deb and the wisdom playground

would be a fabulous episode for everyone to be further inspired

to bringing more play into our lives. So welcome, Deb.

Thank you, and how great Yes, to encourage everyone

to bring more play into our lives can't have enough.

Exactly. And they've been working on this

theme myself, it's really made me realize, you know, like,

where did that little six or seven year old girl go, right?

And we have these societal norms or expectations of adults. And,

you know, what if we just let our inner child out to play and

didn't care about what other people thought and then we could

have so much joy in the moment instead of feeling like, we

can't show that wonderful emotion and I love the idea of

just walking past the schoolyard. And you hear the

laughter. So much laughter. Right. So I want to encourage

people to get back to that.

Blackley in general, it's kids that are having the

most fun, we're actually asked to bring our our more laughter

more play. In the wisdom playground, we call it an adult

thing.

I love it. There you go. I love it. So I would

love for you to share your story because as you said, you've got

a little bit of an eclectic background that has brought you

into being this human enthusiast and happiness ambassador, so

please share.

So okay, so I grew up in Sydney. And I feel like I

always was on a happiness inquiry. I wanted life to be fun

and and I was a big party animal as a late teen like 17 to 30

actually. And I really, really did give that a good crack. As

as you said, I lived in London, I worked in nightclubs in music

industry, and I really had some big time partying and eventually

realized that I wasn't fully fulfilled. And that's when I

started to look within and in 2003 I came back to Sydney to

become a life coach. And then I've been on this huge personal

development, spiritual development entrepreneurial

development journey ever since And what I had realized is prior

to this journey I had been seeking externally for

happiness. And that's not where you find it. And so it has been

a really interesting journey. Because I also was very

judgmental of myself, I was very much critical to myself very

mean to myself, and thankfully have learned not to do that. But

also, I just

want to stop you there, because how many people

relate to that right now. Because that's kind of the way

we naturally tend to go is to beat ourselves up for every

little thing, and be super judgmental and super critical of

ourselves and not giving ourselves any grace, or any

space or stopping to celebrate the baby steps. And yet, we

don't do that to others. Right, we're celebrating others. And we

don't allow ourselves to celebrate ourselves.

Yeah, two really key things there. One is to we judge

ourselves, time to stop it. And the other thing is to celebrate

more be, celebrate all day, every day and appreciate and

celebrate. And when we focus on that, we get more of that. So

yes, those things are actually super key, key pieces to having

a better life and a healthier life.

It's something that I'm learning this year,

actually, at the end of last year, I was on an event, I don't

even remember what it was. And somebody said, to have a wind

wall. So I've created a wind wall for 2022. And I have it

over here and I see it every day. And, you know, that's kind

of where I celebrate my little wins doesn't matter how small

they are, but they're my wins, right? I achieved something, et

cetera, et cetera. And it goes on my wall. And so I thought

that was a brilliant idea in a way to bring that more to the

forefront for me, right. So even as you and I talk about this, I

hear you saying it's a journey, it's been almost 20 years for

you, right? And so for other people listening, we're all

still working on this.

It's not a destination. It's an ongoing practice, to

keep noticing how we're feeling what we're saying to ourselves

and keep choosing because if we can fall into old habits of

being mean to ourselves or judging ourselves, Well, I'm

gonna assume it's old habits for everyone from now, okay.

But yeah, to actually notice that because we can then choose

differently, we can choose to focus on what we actually want,

rather than what we don't want, we can actually choose to what

we could celebrate or appreciate rather than what we want to

complain or whinge about. And it makes it an incredible

difference of where we're focusing. That's

absolutely. And to your point, too. Sometimes

people don't know what they want, because they spent but

they do know what they don't want. But because they're

spending so much time focusing on what they don't want, they

haven't ever looked at it from the other side of what they do

want.

And it's worth considering if you are looking,

you don't know what you want. But you know what, you don't

want to actually go well imagine you don't like that's not

happening anymore. What would you love to have happening? And

even if you don't get the answer straightaway, just being the

inquiry, of allowing that the messages to come to guide you to

that. And you'll notice how you feel when it's expensive and

light versus contractive. And heavy start to notice in your

body. Because our body is guiding us and I think that I

make the joke that everything that happened BC before COVID

needs a refresh. Trying to make that stick Melissa. But we're in

a new era, we are and I agree with you. Anything that is bc we

were very much about thinking and being in our head and doing

and and, and there's some value in that. But it's actually even

more valuable when we bring our whole selves to the to the

party, like our energy, our body, our everything is guiding

us not just our head, our head can be very limited. When we can

really tune into our heart and infinite wisdom and potential

that we have access to. magic can happen and very quickly. And

so it's starting to get to know how to tune into that more. It's

so powerful.

And sometimes it's the heart and sometimes

it's also the unconscious mind, right? We get stuck in the

conscious mind. But when we get out of the conscious mind and

into our unconscious mind, we can also allow ourselves to be

guided and as you say it's very powerful and that's where the

quantum leap forward can happen.

Yeah, I just told him Got it from the heart, because I

think it's an easy way to access that unconscious. Right? I can

using the breath, right? Yes, leaving just focusing on

breathing, imagining you're breathing in through your heart

and out through your heart. And very quickly you're present,

you're in your heart, you're out of this small conscious mind

limited to accessing the infinite possibilities and

solutions that are available in every moment. It's so cool, we

have so much more potential than we've been accessing. And it's

very exciting to actually start to give ourselves permission to

play with that and explore that.

I love that. I love that. And a couple of

episodes ago, I had somebody on who was talking about this as

well, it was Lisa Brewer, and she was talking about, you know,

being in the flow, right. And then she actually, her mantra,

if I don't screw it up is give permission to your purpose to

provide for your purpose.

Nice, which I

really liked as well. And when we do get into

that place of flow, and we're in our heart, and all of these

resources are available to us, as you said, we can do so much

more. And with greater ease. Yes, and with more fun.

That's the thing, that's that's actually what's

available to us. If it's not easy. If it is struggle, then

it's possibly a sign that's not the path that that moment, it's

like we're actually being guided all the time. It's noticing and

being aware and allowing, allowing the, like you say the

flow, really, the ease,

exactly. And that's also something I'm

working on, because I'm very much someone who was raised and

spent, you know, all of my corporate years in my head, it's

kind of the expectation, it was just the norm as a not to

mention the norm of, well, we pay you for 40 hours a week

because you're on a salary, but we actually expect you to get

all of the work done that we're giving you. And if it takes 60

hours, then you got to do it, you got to stay in work for 60

hours, right? And that whole societal mindset that you're

supposed to work harder to show your dedication, as opposed to

that it's actually meant to be easy. So like, I'm having to

undo all of that learning as well. Maybe that's part of my

adulting adulting adulting.

Yeah, well, I think that most of us have been

conditioned, to work hard to be in the struggle to always be in

our head, that it's actually we haven't, we haven't actually,

it's not been okay to feel your feelings. It's not been okay to

be vulnerable. It's starting to be there's a growing

consciousness of that, which is fantastic. Because emotions are

important. It's energy, emotion, we are energy, and so actually

not needing to judge emotions, and we don't need to suffer in

them and be them. But to actually allow ourselves to feel

and express is a very healthy thing. Because if we don't, as

you know, we don't allow those feelings to be expressed, then

they're going to store in the body and come out in some level

of dis ease.

Absolutely. It's interesting, because they're

running a detox program right now with some people. And it's

amazing how quickly some people start to release the emotions in

a detox program. Right? That's not why they started doing it.

It's not what they were expecting. But it's what's

coming up. Which is wonderful, right? Because they're in a

place where they're now allowing those those emotions to start to

release, which that's

the pathway to them being in full health. Right,

exactly. How is it? They haven't expressed them that they're

having whatever challenge they're having? So it makes

total sense to hear that? Yeah.

Yeah. So it's been 10 years of a journey for

you. Can you share some highlights some aha moments or

pivotal moments as you have been on this path to creating the

wisdom playground? Because I know the wisdom playground is a

BC. Business, right? Sorry. pandemic, baby. Yes. That's

relatively new. So what were the pivotal moments that got you to

where you're at today?

Yeah. So yeah, the last 20 years I've been in the

coaching industry. And absolutely, you know, back then,

when I started, lots of people hadn't even heard of what that

was. It's so great that there's been such a growing evolution of

awareness of lots of people kind of actually learning to become

more self aware and interest Did in their own growth and, and

things like that. So I have been doing many great things through

that time in coaching and training. And

I'm gonna jump in there too, as well, just to

say that it's there's a greater awareness in people that they do

better when they work with someone else who's already been

there, right. And there's not any shame in that it's actually,

you know, courage to go, Hey, this is what I want to do. This

is where I want to go, who can get me there the fastest. So

again, it's looking for that ease, right, and recognizing

that everyone needs coaches, we have coaches in from community

sports as a child or school sports, right. And we've had

business coaches for years, and all these different types of

coaches. And now people are recognizing, it's okay to have a

coach in my life, and it's actually going to advance me

faster, which is

a great thing to have multiple coaches in. To focus on

absolutely and. And we're as humans, we're not meant to do it

alone, we have been conditioned to be very independent and

compete. But actually, we're here to collaborate and bring

each other's the best of each other out. And I suppose that's

what happened with the wisdom playground is when, when the

world changed. My beautiful businessman and Gary and I were

talking and and we wanted to focus on reinvention and

consciously creating new and better ways, rather than just go

back to the old. And rather than what happens if we don't

consciously create something new, we will just repeat what we

know. And so here is an opportunity, anything is

possible, the fact that what happened in 2020, if you ask

yourself, would you have thought that was possible before it

happened? I would say most of us would say absolutely not, I

totally would not have thought that could have been possible

what has happened in the world? I would agree. I would agree.

Yeah, that shows anything is possible. So we can actually

create the dream, we can actually create the most amazing

world where everyone is supported and thriving, that is

actually possible. And it takes a conscious creation, and it

takes us all tapping into the best of our humanity. It takes

us tapping into collaborating together. So I like that you

said you know we Yes, we we all benefit from coaches and support

and doing things together rather than some things. It's good to,

you know, it's also you need some stuff alone. However,

there's too much independence and competition in the VC world.

That keeps us separate, divided and conquered, you know, it's

time to unite, collaborate and actually co create. And so the

pivotal moments have been, I've always been unconventional. So

I've always wanted things to be done in different ways. I

haven't really followed the path of the mainstream or the way

they say you should, should do it, whoever they are. But yeah.

So I was always gonna mature then. This happened in 2020, on

very different plans, I was on my way to wanting to spend a lot

more time in Hawaii. And anyway, this has happened and what

happened with the wisdom playground has been quite

magical. Because it's sort of it unfolded through us. It's not

like Gabby and I said, let's create a business together. It

was just through conversation and ideas that when we were

playing with started with the singles party on Zoom called

singles. I think I attended one of them. I don't think you

attended that one. But you did attend one of our collaborative

learning parties, which has then led into us having a beautiful

new era business incubator membership, with amazing

coaches, healers and New Era wisdom teachers that doing

incredible things on the planet, and were always explored, like

it's a really healthy environment, to explore how to

do new and better ways in business that make business

easier and more profit and greater impact. So yeah,

exciting.

I love that you're creating that to support

the coaches that are trying to do more, right, because

sometimes it's hard to get out and be heard and be seen, above

all the noise that's out there. But when you collaborate, and

you find your tribe and everybody's working together, it

makes it much much easier. That's right.

And it's typically in general, the coaching industry,

coaches and healers are not making a lot of money and we

want to change that so they're fully thriving. They can help

more people now navigate these crazy times and have everyone

thriving. So it's it's driven by that. And we have some unique

wisdom around supporting them in that. But it's also those that

might be not even coaching yet. So say they're in corporate, and

they've got all this wisdom and experience, and they need

support to package their wisdom. That's another opportunity.

Because everyone has wisdom to share right now, whatever

experiences we've been through not just the recent training

we've done, our whole life has had wisdom, experience and ways

we can contribute to another human. And it's time for

everyone to start sharing that.

Absolutely. And I look at it as everything is

happening to us for a reason, and bringing us to the point in

time where we're at. So everything that happened,

whether you deemed it as good or bad, is something that adds to

your wisdom that you now have to share with others.

Exactly. And that's what you said, whether you if

you deem it good or bad, we label things good, bad, right?

We're the ones creating the judgment. And it's just time to

drop jugs, judgments and transcendent judgment is the

thing that's in the way of so much goodness, really. It's so

incredible. I love it. And actually, you know, you said a

critical moment. One of them was my very first life coaching

course. I actually heard this chant the story of the Chinese

farmer about judgment. Have you heard of it?

Please share, I will share

my version. So essentially, this Chinese farmer

and he had a his son living with him and a horse and the horse

ran away. All the neighbors came around and go, Oh, isn't that

terrible, your horses run away. And the Chinese farmer said

maybe the next day, the horse actually came back with seven

wild horses. And so now they have eight horses, and they

thought the neighbors come around. And so he's amazing. You

go to these horses and the farmers like maybe the next day,

the sun is breaking in one of the horses and falls off and

breaks his leg. And all the neighbors come around, say, oh,

isn't that terrible, your son's broken his leg and the farm is

like maybe the next day, the military come along, trying to

get everyone all the abled men to join the military and they

couldn't take the sun and all the neighbors great. He's on

can't go off to military up. The farmer says maybe so I that that

story has just, I just love because I was very judgmental. I

was very judgmental person. And I'm if I don't check myself, I

can still be judging. However, it's so peaceful when I don't

judge and it's so powerful. And it's something that I feel is a

pathway to an amazing life when we can transcend judgment. And

so and it is yeah. Definite. Helps helps being more playful

when we don't judge ourselves.

And it's funny because I have heard that story.

And I've heard it very recently. And it wasn't a Chinese farmer.

I heard it as an Albertan farmer, but the same

well, then clearly was told by Canadian

but the same messaging, right, which, you

know, is so important. It's maybe let's see what happens

especially when we take it as everything's happening for us.

Why is this happening? What can I learn from this? You know,

you're not going to know it in the moment as in the case of the

story, they realize the next day right and it might not be the

next day for you. It might be a week down the road, it might be

a year down the road. Look back. There's so many moments in your

life that you look back with that 2020 hindsight and you're

actually grateful for them. In the moment you're like, oh my

god, this is awful. This is the worst thing ever. So how much

time was wasted and emotional turmoil did you go through

thinking oh my god, this is the worst thing ever as opposed to

like you say getting into that place of non judgment and

finding peace and acceptance instead.

Yeah, I'm I have found when I remember everything is

happening for me even when it's really shitty. It's so helpful

to get through those times and when we do look closely, there

is always gifts blessings, positives that come from

everything. And I noticed that as well working with Gabby in

the wisdom playground every time we come up with a what we would

see as a block. It hasn't gone the way we wanted. It's always

an upgrade. Yes. Incredible. It is so incredible. It's not

exactly what our mind thought we wanted to see the bigger

picture, it's actually better and leads to better in the

future. So it's such a, it's a gorgeous, gorgeous way to look

at things.

Exactly. So every time we think it's a block

or something holding us back is actually just getting us to take

the leap forward.

Yeah, and especially for I see coaches, healers, New

Era wisdom teachers that are wanting to support people in

their area of wisdom. When they come up with a challenge, it is

often something to learn so they can help their clients, they

don't have to make themselves wrong or bad, or like, it's so

interesting how that happens all the time, as well. So it's

really cool when we're aware of that, because it does make the

journey of the challenging bits a bit easier.

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So talk to me about how you bring play into the wisdom

playground, but into your daily life.

Cool. Yeah. So I feel that as I mentioned before, that

heart breathing and really noticing what is going on for us

and our body and our, our what feels, what feels the yes, what

feels the know and to be guided as much as possible, as often as

possible throughout the day. I mean, we can be guided every

step if we choose to, which is so cool. So that is playing with

the universe, from my perspective playing with with

it, because it's just so fun when we do it. But it's also

doing the things that light us up that is and so the more

tuning we are we the more we know what does and what doesn't.

And there's so many common things to look at. Like for me

dancing, I love to dance, I love to laugh, I love nature, getting

in nature, exercising, moving, and body. All those things are a

beautiful ways to play and allow more possibility into into our

world as well. Some people like to do creative projects, I think

that's something that I, I have been quite focused on working

and I have some creative projects. Now it's like, Okay,

it's time to actually carve out some time and prioritize some of

that, because we're actually always creating that's as humans

we're always creating, so why not consciously create and be in

the playfulness of creating, and it comes back to not judging it

because I remember one time I went to first time I went to

life drawing where there's a nude model, and you bring your,

whatever you want to draw with, like the paper and whatever,

using pencils and crayons, whatever. And I just love it, it

was so it was just so fun to be doing that. And I was looking at

my thing going, I'm not bad at this. And then when I walked

around so some people who are like proper artists, I can help

with this. I was like, oh, okay, I'm not great at it. But however

art it can it's in the eye of the eye of the viewer, right?

What's something good to someone not to say? And it's like, well,

that's the same with life as well. Right? And so just to have

fun with it means it's a great use of time. And other other

insights can come to us when we're not trying to focus and

push and struggle and, and, and really work hard. I feel even

this month of a that I've had just the month that's gone. I

had more time off and actually have done better financially and

I've had more fun and I've had and it's like ah, so good to

have this. Working harder is not always better. And so yes,

that's sort of lifestyle wise, it's good to have our own

practice of making sure we're doing some stuff that we love

that makes us feel good that that lights us up. In the wisdom

playground. We like to bring that vibe to at all, all things

that we do in our communications and in our events, which we call

parties, we like to bring that energy. And it's something that

we can always add more ideas to, and how to do it. One of the

things that we like to do now and then is a, an improv game,

you know, with that? Where we Yes, and, yeah, so it's like a

topic. And then I say something, and then you would say yes, and

then you'd add to it, and then I say yes, and and add to it, and

then you kind of it's a brainstorming thing that allows

really crazy, crazy answers. But those crazy answers can actually

be really brilliant, you know, some of them comes up with new

things. So,

or a smarter? next idea. Right? Exactly. It's

actually comes back to what you were saying earlier for people

that, you know, they know what they don't want, but they don't

know what they do want. And you're saying, you know, sit

with that and think about it and spend some time with yourself on

that. And what's really important there is to treat that

like you would any other brainstorming session. So allow

any idea to flow. If it sounds too outlandish to you don't shut

it down and push it away. Let it flow. And then you can even

build on that. You can do the Yes. And with yourself with the

thoughts that are coming. And yes. And and then what's next,

right? And another one is what if so what if

everything? Because what if it could just magically become

better than you even imagined? And what if it was blah, blah,

blah. And so that's a similar kind of concept, but it might

resonate even more. Right.

And it just allows the mind to keep opening

and opening and opening and opening? And get into that

expansive place.

Yeah. And that's, that's the beauty of empowering

questions, though. The what, who, where, how, when that into

possibility, those empowering questions are really cool to

expand, expand our mindset. So that we can tap into far greater

than what's happened before. And that's the that's the

opportunity, we have so much more, as I said, before, so much

potential, every single human has access to far more potential

than we're tapping into. So that means you, me, everyone, like we

will and expand beyond where we have before it can keep getting

better, can keep getting more magical. It's so, so exciting.

We are we are at we are living at a very, very exciting time on

the planet.

We are and I agree that there's so much more

realization to this right now. And more and more people are

opening to the expansiveness of it to the fact that there is

abundance on this earth. And we can just, you know, get into

that place of ease and flow to build that abundance. And as we

do it in collaboration, we're helping other people get there,

too. And we all rise up together.

Absolutely. And actually say, saying that, you

know, I'm, I'm a big fan of the open questions. I'm also a fan

of the empowering affirmations. Because I said, it's been a

great month.

I've been saying to myself, my life is fun. And it has been,

it's like really work getting that one stuck in your head.

I love that. And How simple is that? How simple

is that? Right? And, you know, what, if you stop and think

about the thoughts that you're typically saying to yourself,

how much more fun is it to say that thought to yourself instead

of what you're typically saying to yourself,

and it's extra fun when you've said it for a little

while, and then you stop noticing, oh, this is far more

fun than what was before. Like, it's actually amazing.

Yeah. So do you have any suggestions for people,

whether they're, you know, coaches, or solopreneurs, or

even still in the corporate world, that, besides the mantra,

anything else that they can take and easily implement in order to

bring fun into their work environment? Is it like maybe

it's breaking up their day in some way? What do you suggest?

Yeah, so we, we talked about judgment. So it's one of

the things it's time to let go of. So notice when we're judging

and instead of judging, get curious, so and get curious with

those questions of I like what you said, What am I here? What

am I? What can I learn from this? Or how is this serving me?

Or I don't know, the any open question or the wadi thing or

the yes ending or the, you know, the it's like move out of

judgment into curiosity as often as possible, really notice,

because also notice when we're doubting ourselves, who many of

us are actually, really like, we're all capable of incredible

things, we're so amazing, yet we get in our own way, by doubting

ourselves. And so if you notice down in yourself, just laugh

every time you doubt yourself, laugh at it, because the first

time I had that strategy, I was laughing a lot that day, so it

was good.

And we knew how healthy laughter is for us. And

I've said this many times before. So regular listeners

will have heard me say it before, but it's worthy of

repeating that just one Fun Minute of laughter boosts your

immune system for 24 hours. And one minute of fear or stress, or

anger will weaken it for four hours. And in that fear, stress

and anger, I would even put doubting ourselves. Because when

we're doubting ourselves, we're probably drumming up a little

bit of fear and a little bit of stress, right? Or that there.

And that's why we're doubting ourselves. And that's weakening

our immune system for four hours. So yes, erase it with

laughter. That's brilliant.

Yeah, and so also know about doubt. If you're doubting

that potentially means you're actually trusting in the belief

you don't prefer. So perhaps there's no doubt perhaps it's

just trust in something. And you might as well trust in what you

want, rather than that belief that you don't prefer the doubt

because that does not feel good. doubting ourselves does not feel

good. So stop it. Let it go back to BC and from now on, no more

doubt, and just go for it and play because it's like it when

we can let go of judgment of the result. It it means if it goes

bad or wrong, bad wrong, which we're labeling it, it doesn't

matter. So there's a beautiful movie on Disney called Soul.

Have you seen that one, Melissa? Okay, so go check it out. It's

such a reminder that our souls come here to experience life to

experience the senses, to taste the pizza, to smell the roses to

do all the things, and they fall over and hurt themselves. But it

doesn't matter. It's like, it's like, we're just here to live

and experience and create and enjoy. And and that comes back

to if we can just not make a big deal about everything, and not

make it like that let go of the making the meaning and the

judgments about everything. It just becomes so much easier. And

so I would say practice that really noticing, are you

judging? Or are you in curiosity, and just really start

to tap More into curiosity with asking better questions, playing

with possibilities, using your breath, choosing what feels good

to you, what lights you up, giving yourself permission to do

that celebrating and appreciating every step you take

in that direction. And let me know how you go.

I love that. I love that so many gems in that

last five minutes right there that are brilliant. Thank you.

And I just want to come back to somewhere in there you were

talking about, you know, the judgment. And I was hearing like

the not doing thing, the doubt is because we're fearing

something right? And the feeling is coming up because it's not

the right path for us potentially. And so we need to

stop and figure out what the right path is. But also to know

that we don't need to fear what might happen. And so often

that's fear of failure or not achieving the goal or whatever

it is because there really is no failure. Yeah, it's simply an

opportunity for feedback. That's right, from which we learn and

then keep moving forward. And so that's a huge piece of that of

being able to choose that recognize that and step into it

anyway.

That's right. So it's like be present in the moment to

feel if it's a yes or no for you to take that action. So you will

know if you feel lighter and more expansive. Or if you feel

heavier and more contracted. You can start to learn your yes and

no. If it's a yes, you just go for it. And it doesn't matter

what happens. Like let go of the outcome, the judgment of

whatever happens all of that and trusting. It's the next And

it's, it's all good, then take the next step. It doesn't have

to be that odd, our mind can make it really challenging.

Yeah, we don't have to do that anymore. Yeah,

I love it. Well, I love all of the work that you

do, and the wisdom playground and the support that you're

giving to coaches and others that are, you know, in their

businesses so that everyone can collaborate and serve more

people as a result, right. And so, as we start to wrap up here,

I love to ask my guests, what does don't wait for your wake up

call mean to you.

For me, that means be proactive in designing the life

we want, actually, our health is so important. And actually, we

can make positive steps towards that today. And if we don't, as

you say, if we keep going down a path that is unhealthy, we will

get a wake up call. And it happens from the the universe is

total, I say universe, some people say, God or whoever,

whatever they want to call source, different all the

different names for for that. But for me, the universe will do

it for now. So the universe will give us messages, and it starts

with a whisper. And then it gets louder can become a pebble in

any kind of a brick and bouldering brick house on top of

us and that wake up call is not pleasant. So why wait for that?

Like, why? Why Why? Why not listen now?

Back to what you're saying? Yeah, you know,

listen now and tap into your body and learn that yes or no

role. And when we work with our body in this way, that's when we

do get to be in that flow state. And it's when we get to have

optimal energy and optimal health because we're in

alignment. That's not fighting ourselves. Love that

thing, that energy alignment is so powerful and

such a fun way to live life. And we all have that ability to

choose that. It's so it's available to every single one of

us. And that's why it's so great. The work you're doing,

Melissa, because for those who haven't listened can get on

track now with you. But those listening to the podcast well

done, because yeah, you don't have to wait till it gets really

bad, like, start doing the fun stuff now.

And I love what you said too, is choose you get

to choose, right, everything is a choice. And that comes back to

when we believe that things happen for us, not to us, we're

not blaming, right, and we can see the choices. That's right.

And there are always choices, even when we think it's the

worst day ever. There are still choices, right? choices on how

you respond to that and choices to how you move forward. So

that's a really important point as well, that it's, it's all a

choice. So I love it, love what you're doing. So thank you,

thank you so much for being on the show. But before I let you

go, please tell the audience how they can get ahold of you. And I

believe you have a free gift for the audience as well.

Yes, we do. So our website is the wisdom

playground. So T H E wisdom playground.com. And I'd be

delighted to connect with anyone on social media and all those

types of things. I'm Deb King, we have a freebie. If you're a

coach or healer of some description, we have an amazing

guide for you that shows you what the greatest coaches on the

planet do differently to everyone else, the ones that are

super successful, what they do to everyone else. And that's a

free guide. It's 19 pages where you get to see those things and

rate yourself on those things. So that would be the first

freebie for everyone else. We have a little play cheat sheet

for us with some reflection questions just to kind of

actually play with in terms of your inquiry around playing

more. So that's available as well and very excited to connect

with anyone who wants to discuss this topic or share actually,

please

definitely

if you apply anything we've talked about, I'd love to hear

how you go. So yeah, very excited to always meet like

hearted humans that want to thrive.

I love that. Thank you so much. And I'll make

sure the links to both are in the show notes. And yeah,

Pleased to the audience if you are implementing any of this

from our discussion today, please share it on social tag

Deb tag myself, because we'd love to celebrate that with you.

It's definitely something to celebrate. And Deb, what last

tip would you like to leave the audience with to have them step

into this and get started today?

I would love to say is you are here, there is no

mistake that you are here right now you have so much love in

your heart and wisdom to share more than you even realize. And

actually just give yourself permission to now live your best

life ever moving forward.

Love that. Beautiful way to end the show.

So inspirational. Thank you so much for joining us here today,

Deb. And thank you to the audience for joining us here and

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