Do you actually want healing or do you want temporary relief?

Cause there's a lot of people that come in and really what you want is

a pacifier so you can feel better in a moment, but you really don't

want to excavate what's going on.

What really needs the medicine,

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Ready to bridge the gap between earthly pursuits and the

profound peace of living by faith?

Welcome to today's episode of Seek, Go Create the Leadership Journey.

Today we're joined by Christine Jewell, founder of Warriors of the

Heart and author of Drop the Armor, Release the Past, Ignite Your Faith,

and Unlock an Extraordinary Life.

I've got a copy right here.

We're going to be diving deep into that.

Christine's book is written for those who strive for high achievement, but

yearn for the fulfillment that comes from integrating kingdom principles

into every aspect of their lives.

And as a listener, you know, kingdom principles is what we love to talk

about here In today's episode, I think Christine is going to share

her transformative journey and key insights from her book, guiding us on

how to become a new kind of warrior.

One who loves leads boldly and fights with Christine, welcome to Seek, Go, Create.

Tim, thank you for having me.

I'm excited to be here.

I'm excited that you're here too.

All right.

On page 181, I've got your book right here.

I've gone through it.

All

You list out.

Can you spot the lies?

And one of them is I am what I do.

So my first question is.

If someone asks you what you do, what do you tell them, Christine?

doing

reading this, I go, Oh man, my first question

is going to be like something.

But yeah, lie number two here, I am what I do.

So Christine, if someone asks you what you do, what do you tell them?

Yeah, that's a great question.

Obviously depends on the context, but from a career perspective, you know, what I

say is I help ultra high achievers and, impact driven leader that have chased the

world's ladder for success, established freedom and fulfillment in their lives.

By getting things in the right order,

So would you give that answer if you're on an airplane with

someone or just at a restaurant?

I would say that when people ask me what I do is

I, I just usually will say, I'm a faith based executive coach.

I work with CEOs and founders on getting their marriage back together, putting

millions of dollars back in their pocket and living a life of true freedom and

fulfillment rather than the rat race.

And the reason why I ask you, I mean, I can tell

we're going to have some fun.

So let's just go ahead and start having a little bit of fun and

you're going to go, Oh, thanks, Tim.

when you use the term ultra high achievers and listen, we, people

that listen in myself, we've all gone through this process of attempting

to define our audience and who we interact with and things like that.

But ultra high achiever, is

it pretentious?

Is it like obnoxious a little bit?

does it, is it a little bit of a put off for some people?

Come on, is it?

I mean, are you like

know that it's a put off.

I honestly, it depends who I'm talking to, to Tim.

You know, sometimes I say I help warriors at heart, like people who've

been fighting battles their whole life.

I kind of tune into the person I'm talking to.

And then I speak into what I feel that they can really resonate with.

but the reality is a lot of my clients are ultra high achievers in the sense

that they are always at the top of the game by the world standards.

And a lot of them reach out cause they say, man, I have more

success outwardly than anything.

I have everything.

I have the houses, I have the boats, I have this, I have that.

Why am I so unhappy?

Like why?

It's like you, it's crazy.

Because they don't know and it eats them alive.

Yeah,

things, but you said ultra high achievers by the world's

standards, which, I've done deep dive studies in kingdom of God.

And so I love this conversation because it's part of my journey.

I think it's part of most of our journeys here on this, on the

earth is kind of arriving at what.

Success means, you know, what, what is it?

Is it ultra high achievement based on the world standards?

Is it?

And then this kind of opens up a weird question is what is ultra high achievement

in the kingdom of God standards?

How do you think we people that have written a book called drop the

armor 400 pages, by the way, I've I'm impressed with the wording.

and by the way, I want to Thank somebody in your office sent me a physical copy.

It's been a while since I've read a physical copy of a book.

So, so I'm excited that right here, I've got the big, thick, dog eared

physical copy of drop the armor, but how should we be defining success?

what's your answer to that now?

Well, I think that's such a great question and to your

point, you know, we have the world's definition of success and what it has

shaped us to think that we want to chase and at the beginning of chapter

four, which is shift your allegiance.

You know, I say like when we chase the things of the world, we become puppets.

To the world.

We become puppets to other people's opinions, other people's agendas,

other people's opinions of us.

The greatest fear is, oh my gosh, what will people think of me?

What will I lose?

And it's all externally motivated, right?

And externally driven.

And so the world's System as we know is inverted and inside

out So there's definitely world success versus kingdom success.

So if we're talking about what is kingdom success, you know I think just

the verse is always just so on my heart is really seek ye first the kingdom and

then all things will be added unto us.

I think that when we look at it, for me anyways, you know, when I think whether

I'm growing a business or loving on people, spreading the word of God, like

Obviously the marketplace is my mission.

am I seeking God's heart for this situation?

Am I seeking under the king's dominion, the king's heart, the king's mind, for

whatever it is, my marriage, my children, this thing, if I get that right, I get to

experience the fullness of the experience, the kingdom experience of that situation

and all the bonuses that come with it, you know, according to the earth.

So I think for me, that's where I've really landed with that is that I am

living in accordance with, the, goals.

Of heaven and i'm seeking first the things of the kingdom and that's

love You know, we always say people are the currency of heaven, right?

We walk on gold.

They're like people is what god's concerned about you know, it's the fruits

of the spirit Am I am I experiencing a life where there is love where

there is peace where there is joy where there's understanding compassion

grace like All of these things that I feel many of them are precious We're

really absent from everything that the world system tells us we need to do.

We do all these things to try to get to peace.

We do all these things to try to get to love.

We do all these things to try to get to what we've already been given.

I can't remember if it was, I was listening to a

couple of episodes of the podcast.

I think it's Breaking Change is the name of your podcast.

and I was drawn to the ones where you and Mark, were, I think he interviewed

you and then y'all were just having a conversation about something.

I heard one of you talk about stewardship.

So that's near and dear to my heart.

You just brought up a scripture, Matthew 6 33.

If I don't do life versus like some people, that would be it.

Cause I spent three years studying the kingdom of God, but it might've

been at the beginning of that chapter four that you referenced.

I think Matthew 6 24, which basically says you can't serve God It's set,

we use money, but it's really mammon.

It's basically, you can't have two masters.

You, you can't have two.

And the thing that I was fascinated, I think there's going to be a good

sort of lean into some of your story.

Most of us, even if we would call ourselves people of faith, if we are

people that are in, we'll call it the achievement category, I hear my

mother saying, don't get a big head.

Get a big

I believe that what we're doing is we're chasing after

from Matthew 6, 33, the things, and then hoping we stumble upon the

kingdom and his righteousness, or we really are serving two masters.

And it sounds as if that's a lot of the journey.

That you, I don't know about your faith or you could tell us a little bit

about that from early on, but you've been chasing after a lot of stuff in

your life and you caught a lot of it.

Right?

So, let's back up and let's talk a little bit about that for someone who

doesn't know you, they haven't read the book, give a little bit of Christine,

the early years so that we could get a little bit of this background.

paradigm and understand why someone would lead towards needing to

drop the armor later in life.

Yeah, of course.

So I geek out on our origin story.

You know, I just, God has done such a work in my heart around

getting rid of the orphan spirit and feeling this sense of abandonment.

And I think, you know, humanity as a whole.

Gets to really, overcome this and address it, but that was very real for me.

It was very real for my father.

So it was a great, a generational pattern, a generational curse

that also kept getting passed on.

But I love to really dig into our origin stories, not to stay there, but to

get an understanding, you know, What shaped us and how God's gonna use that

for good for our lives, you know, it's all preparation But when we go back to

my youth as I talk about in the book I kind of had this double life to be

honest when I was growing up and it's not because my father was in The CIA so

some people think oh you had a double life because your father worked at the

CIA early on But it wasn't so much that.

I mean, I grew up on Air Force, or I was born on Edwards Air Force

Base, and then we moved to Europe, and we moved countries a lot.

You know, my father was From the U S my mother was Italian.

you know, they met overseas.

He came from an upbringing of basically being abandoned as a child, living

alone in the woods as a kid, getting drafted and getting pulled in to,

the Navy and then later the CIA.

So really operating as a lone wolf, his entire existence alone.

And, you know, bringing that in.

To our family dynamic.

So when I grew up, I had this one side that was like this beautiful, rich life,

full of culture, traveling the world, seeing all these different countries, like

beautiful things, five star everything.

And then on the other side, it was a really dark, Relationship with my

father too, cause he was so lonely and he was so isolated and he was harboring

so many things and he, he ended up getting into the grips of alcoholism.

And so I was just always in this tension of, you know, on one side,

everything's so beautiful and it looks great and shiny on the outside.

And then on the other side, it's like the hand that hugs you is also

the hand that hits you and throws you across the room and you never

know what you're going to get.

It was very chaotic.

It was very volatile.

It was very confusing.

And so when I say I had these like double personas, right, you did,

it was like, Oh, shiny over here.

And then, Oh my God, crazy.

And you're trying to control everything.

And so that was really the program.

So I learned early on that I needed to control the atmosphere, perform, fix

everyone around me, you know, make sure that I could make, do all the things

to get dad to be happy, to get dad to approve, to get dad to calm down.

And that was the program.

So I did it through athletics.

I did it through, grades.

I did it through just.

Kick Button naves and whatever it was that I did.

And really what I realized early on, it was a survival mechanism but it

also became a program of how I received love, how I was able to control the

atmosphere of the people around me.

And, you know, that continued on in my life.

So we ended up beginning that.

Coming back to the U S you know, and settling there.

By the time I was 17, you know, we lost everything.

My father had, we were out of the, he was out of the CIA at the time.

He had been working in the corporate space, climbing the corporate ladder.

super, super successful.

Again, we had beautiful things, beautiful livestock, gorgeous home, gorgeous boats,

travel, all the things, beautiful wife.

But by the time I was 17, it was all gone.

Everything shattered, like we lost the house, everything

was repossessed, bankruptcy.

My father went MIA, literally went from being, you know, VP of a company

to being homeless overnight and shortly after that in prison for

a period of time and disappeared.

And I was like, I remember just that moment of just, it felt like

everything getting stripped from you.

And I just had made a decision.

Like I will never.

Trust anyone.

I will never trust a man.

I will never depend on anyone.

And if it's gonna be, it's up to me.

And I'm never gonna be like my mother, cause she was just weak.

And I'm never gonna be like my father and become an addict and

an alcoholic and all these things.

And so I just went in this relentless pursuit of fierce independence.

But here's the thing, Tim, you know, I went on to build a businesses, successful

businesses, to be honest, I'm so grateful.

They kind of got him to be on my life.

I always had favor in terms of financial success, but everything that I was

building, I was creating from a fuel unconsciously of anger, of bitterness.

of needing to prove myself, needing to be my own provider, my own

protector, my own source of strength.

And so I had a lot of drive, and that's where When I say that ultra high achiever,

it's like an addiction to the next thing.

You know, I competed in world championships.

I pushed my body.

I was training 25, 30 hours a week while running businesses, while raising kids.

And, you know, I finally got to the point where I talk about it in the book is the

perfect storm of everything just crashing.

my body got to the place where it completely burnt out.

The business became super stressed when my relationships were broken.

And I was like, I could no longer hold it all together through my own strength.

from the book and there's more details for the, for the

listener that definitely wants more

But it's part of your journey.

It's part of why you are, you know, before we hit record, I told you a little bit

of my wife and I's journey, and some people would say, Oh my gosh, that's

horrible, but we are who we are today.

And I'm thankful for that.

I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but I'm thankful that we went through that.

First question, in that, answer that you just gave, you brought up your father who

had an addiction to alcohol along the way.

I don't know if that was all his life or just came to be.

there's a follow up question related to the CIA thing.

I'm going to ask it a little while.

then towards the end of that, you mentioned that you had an addiction

to, I term it achievement, but let's just say we've worded it here on

many episodes and addiction to more.

Okay.

That's what I realized I was addicted to was one business is good.

Two is better.

Three is better, better compare the addictions, compare the addiction

that you observed with your father.

Alcohol, a substance with the addiction that you had, which the world system

says, that's a good addiction.

Good job.

a good

addiction.

That's

motivation.

That's the ambition.

Right.

And I want to say that, and that's why I said an addictive thing.

spirit.

And, you know, my father has struggled with the addiction to

alcohol, substance abuse, women, sex, pornography, a lot of things that I got.

I got so judgmental and it's easy to point a finger at someone

when it's something like that.

but really, and this is why.

I am deviating for a second.

This is why I don't really believe in addressing the thing that

people are struggling with, like the alcohol itself or the, the

sex, because it's not about that.

It's, there's something way beyond deep within that is a void that is empty.

That is just so thirsty and hungry.

Seeking some kind of love, some kind of affection, some kind of approval,

some kind of, you know, security.

And so the thing becomes the substitute for the real thing, which

is God, you know, and so my father's.

Addiction to alcohol and to women was really when we looked back It was

like really the place where he felt safety and he felt belonging, right?

It was like that's where I feel wanted.

I feel like a man again.

I feel like more of myself and I get peace Because that's

really what alcohol does, right?

It gives us relief.

It's temporary relief.

And actually, Tim, I know you coach and I coach and I have to be honest

sometimes when I ask people, I'm like, do you actually want healing

or do you want temporary relief?

Cause there's a lot of people that come in and really what you want is

a pacifier so you can feel better in a moment, but you really don't

want to excavate what's going on.

What really needs the medicine, you know?

And So, even though on the outside, the addiction looks different,

it's still the same desperate cry.

For worthiness, for being seen, for being heard, for feeling, you know, affirmed.

really all of our addictive tendencies is just us going to something as the source.

to fill the void.

And so the question is really like, what's the void?

You know, for me, it was the void of feeling seen, of feeling worthy, like

needing that affection and that love of the father, the approval, right, of man,

which we know can only come from God.

But do we ever try to get it everywhere else?

You know, whether we're aware of it or not.

And so a huge body of my work, and that's why the podcast

also is called Breaking Chains.

A lot of my work was healing the wounding that causes the addiction, you

know, the original wounds, collective wounds, but also the wounds in our

family that just kept getting passed on.

Right.

And if we don't heal them, we just pass on to our children and

they get to have, you know, the opportunity to heal those generational

You know, one follow up just about the CIA, your CIA dad, we went to

church years ago, right when we first got married, we've been married 35 years.

And there was a gentleman that we knew in the small group together that was

with a three letter agency for the state.

And literally we would be gathering doing a get together and he

would get a call and just leave.

Couldn't tell his wife where he was going, no family and all that kind of stuff.

And in my mind, maybe it's because I'm such a sharer, I was thinking

to myself, what it would be like to have an occupation That I

had to keep totally bottled up.

And I know a lot of people have these, it's not just the three letter

agencies, but I do wonder when I hear about people like your dad, and I

think there's probably a good portion of you that came from his personality

and you're a, you're outgoing and vivacious and things like that.

I'm wondering if there was a good bit of him, he kept bottle up.

Yeah,

if you've ever.

Put any thought, and I know we don't analyze people that may

not be around to be analyzed anymore, but any thoughts on that?

Because he really did have to live a life that he couldn't share, I guess.

I've thought about that so often.

And in that really one, and I want to say too, when, when I started to learn

and the Holy spirit was so gracious in drawing me into my season of

humility and compassion, and I really changed my heart towards my father.

One of the things that he began to show me and reveal to me was all

of the stuff that my father had been suppressing and repressing and

holding in and not being able to talk about and not being able to share.

You know, not only from his work because I have no idea, but also from all

those years of, just being alone as a child, fatherless, all of the things.

And so again to anyone listening, it's like, you know, We all do this.

We all just swallow things.

We put on our masks, our armor, we get out there.

who taught us how to share our hearts in healthy ways, to, have healthy

dialogue inside of our relationships without being terrified of what

someone else is going to think.

I mean, thank God now we have podcasts and tools and trainings,

but, you didn't talk about feelings.

You didn't talk about most things.

And then to have all that stacking, I think for sure

Yeah.

our world was smaller for those of us that grew up in those times,

some things were good about that.

Probably some things, were not one of the thing I was going to ask maybe about

Christine, the early years, obviously you're a powerful woman of faith.

Now, from reading the book and all that has you wired now, but was your

family a family of some degree of faith?

Was there something there?

And then, when did you start recognizing you were moving towards what we

mentioned earlier, Matthew 6, 24, you were attempting to serve one, not two

masters So Faith in your family, yes, no.

Yeah, let's talk about that.

So when I lived in Italy, actually, I lived in that area outside

of the Pope's summer residence.

So I have a picture of me, you know, when I was in Rome, Italy,

most everyone's Catholic there.

So not knocking Catholicism, but we went to Latin mass.

I had no clue what was happening.

And so even though there was a lot of religion.

There was no relationship.

It was a lot of ritualistic, and I could talk for days about that.

When we came to the U.

S., my mom moved out of the, you know, Catholicism and then we started

attending a local Christian church.

And I think that was just a time of hardship where she was just really

seeking, you know, solace and comfort.

And there was just so much chaos happening at home.

So, you know, I got involved in a youth group, in.

high school and I got saved in high school and we went to youth group camps.

We went on missionary trips.

We did bible studies like this was not foreign to me and here's the thing we

didn't talk about my divorce but I was married for 10 years and in the midst of

all my chasing of the things of the world if you would have come to me and said

do you know Jesus I would have said yes if you would have said are you saved I

would have said yes I'm going to heaven if I die tomorrow I know where I'm going.

But I was not living according to the King.

And everything in my life was world, except for on a Sunday or a Bible study.

And then we're like, yes, you know, we love Jesus.

And I prayed and my ex husband and I even taught a Bible study.

And here's the thing.

It wasn't real.

I did not have intimacy with the Holy Spirit.

I just could not bridge the gap between this great book of life.

Like I, I just did not have my heart cracked open to.

And I think it was because I was not I had not entered into intimacy with

Jesus And so I wanted to share this because here's what happened I believe

that we so many of us are walking it and we say I am a man of faith.

I am a woman of faith I'm saved.

I've been saved my whole life.

We go to church.

We're good people.

We give to the church We tithe the thing is that it's wired in us

to have a supernatural experience

And I believe as humans, we are craving like it's just in us to crave intimacy

and to crave this, the supernatural, not paranormal experience because God

is really, he's alive, he's active.

And so what happened Tim, to be quite honest, after I was

divorced, I was like, this is, If it's going to be, it's up to me.

So I bought into the golden calf of the entrepreneurial world.

And I started really just sure.

I did the church thing over here, but I was craving the spirit so much.

So what happened is for years, I actually got pulled complete.

I was like the lost sheep.

I went totally the opposite direction and not intentionally, but I started

opening spiritual doors to more new age things, you know, like that

seemed innocent enough and I had a holistic health and performance studio.

So we were teaching.

Things that are holistic in nature, but you also start opening spiritual doors

before you knew it I was like introducing plant medicine into my life and all kinds

of different things and the Lord allowed me Thank God his hand of protection was

on me But he allowed me to go into this world that was very spiritually active

very spiritually alive And I felt a lot of power and not all of it was from God

It was actually the opposite, but I began to have these Supernatural experiences.

And finally it got to the point where I became so confused, so disoriented.

And I was in my family room in Canada where I lived at the time.

And I remember I had my encounter with Jesus where I felt his hand literally come

into the room with me and like, pull me out of this pit and say, are you done?

Are you ready for me to be enough?

And he said that's enough and it was so like I just got goosebumps

again because it was so real It was like I could I could see his hand.

I could feel his hand pulling me out And I ended up he said no more.

So I ended up burning so many books not that they were bad

They weren't witchcraft books.

A lot of them were just secular books, but I had been putting so much faith

Into business books and what this person said and what that person said and he

said I want you to go through a season Of getting to know me, of getting to know my

heart, my voice of like intimacy with me.

And I've called that like, that's really when my love affair with Jesus began.

And that was when I start to really feel his presence in my life.

I had like the kingdom became alive, more alive than the earthly things.

And that was a season where.

Everything that I had talked about externally for so many years, I

actually began to see it and breathe it.

And he was walking me through how to move that into every area of my life.

And he worked it out, Tim, in my parenting, in my finances, in

the way I was like every area.

He's like, okay, we're going to go in here and I'm going to show you

how it's done in a way that glorifies

So what did that do?

You mentioned earlier, and I actually wrote down a couple of pages here on

page 51, you talk about you were addicted to push, and I think you even named one

of your studios, something about push.

And then I went back on page 21, you said you're addicted at times to the

struggle and the fight, which this is actually something I want to bring

up about the book in a little while.

but it was talking about addictions earlier and, you know, we've got

this mantra, no pain, no gain.

In fact, the resort we're in right now, there is a sign in the gym here.

I don't really do the gym much anymore.

I play pickleball and do a couple of pushups.

You gym people, y'all can have fun at the gyms, but there's

a sign says no pain, no gain.

So I'm sitting there and I'm looking at it and I'm getting to the place where

I don't agree with that anymore, where it's like, I don't know that I like.

That mindset because it feeds some things that you and I are talking about here.

But the the thing I want to ask is and I love you sharing what you just shared

because Your faith became real and it became yours In that instance in that

moment, and I believe what a lot of us do that call ourselves people of faith

And we'll go ahead and say it's really about jesus, but we've got this jesus plus

thing going Yeah, we believe jesus But I also am into crystals or I'm, you know,

horoscopes, hero cards,

whatever, or,

or it could be the gym.

You know, a lot of people are addicted to the gym or fitness or their

looks or something that isn't Jesus.

And that is the root.

And there was something that I read Oh, page 313, I have a note here is where you

went through a process of surrendering.

And when I see someone talk about surrender, I don't know

if it was around that time.

If it is, you can say something about it.

But I think that what we do, and there's a word you brought up earlier is trust.

when we don't really trust, we have a desire to control.

And you can't surrender when you're attempting to control

everything around you.

So talk, I don't even, I don't even have a question here, but just

take what I've said and keep going

Yeah, you know, it's so true.

Cause we hear these terms like, just let it go, put it down, you know, come

to me, all of you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

And you know, my yoke is easy.

My burden is light.

And we take those things so lightly.

But it's a totally different thing to really go, gosh, everything that

I'm holding on to white knuckled.

Like there's a prayer, Tim, that I love to do.

And again, it came to me in this season of really, I had a season of revelation after

revelation where the Lord was just taking me through all these different things.

And I would have my arms up and he was like, give me everything that you are

white knuckling in your life right now.

Like, you know, those things that you were just like, Somebody has to like

pry your fingers and maybe it's where the next cash flow is going to come in.

Maybe it's whatever, what your in laws are doing, what you're worried

about your kids, but like we're still trying so hard to hold on, you know,

and it's like, open your hands, give it to me, like really give it to me.

When I was saying, earlier about, he took me through a process with

my kids, with my business, with my finances, he kind of took me through

that process in every area of my life.

It's like, what are you holding on to even with your children?

And I had some things really going on with one of my oldest, Children and

I kept trying to save her and I kept trying to fix her and I kept trying to

talk to her And everything I was doing was just not working And finally it was

like he said put her on the altar Like it was my abraham and isaac moment like

really, you know, and I I was in a prayer.

I was visualizing I said, okay.

I finally said Father, she is your daughter first, you know, and this

is my season of intimacy and I'm still very intimate with the Lord.

What I mean by is like, you are her father.

You are my spiritual husband.

Also I'm calling on you to step in and do what only you can do in her heart.

Like take her, you know her better than I do.

You know everything about her past or future, you know, everything

she's worried about, scared about.

I'm going to release her fully to you and trust you.

And I'm speaking to the women out there right now because I see a lot of women.

We don't trust our husbands.

We don't trust the men in our lives and it's A lot of it is linked to our

relationship with the father, right?

How we do this and men too, right?

When it's like, can I learn to trust?

And maybe there's some things healing that gets to happen with

the father, they're the physical father and the spiritual father.

But it, that season of surrender was really laying everything down on the

altar, releasing everything I was holding white knuckled onto and really

remembering, like I can have the greatest vision, I have the greatest

plans, but am I open to yielding?

This is really important Is that the spirit is always talking, you know,

some people say I don't hear the holy spirit talk I'm, like is that because

he's not talking It's because you ain't listening, you know, and I think it

was bill johnson who said, you know The ability to hear god's voice is directly

correlated to our desire To actually hear what he has to say about the situation

not what we want him To say about the situation So being able to open my

eyes and my heart and I had to pray for this by the way This was not something

that came easy because I was like I am resisting you hardcore I need you.

I am praying For you to soften my heart to give me the desire to trust you I

had to pray for that right and then when I did I would hear his voice You

And then he would whisper and then I would yield to what he was telling me.

And then he meets us on the other side of obedience, right?

And so what happens is, is I obeyed and I yielded my way to his way.

And so all of a sudden I began to trust.

His character more because I saw him showing up more because

I was walking in obedience.

And so it's like a muscle, right?

The more I see him, the more I trust him.

The more I see his character show up, the more I trust him.

And it's this relationship.

It's just no different in a marriage, right?

Or any relationship.

But a lot of us, I think we're like, well, I haven't, I don't trust the Lord.

And I have to ask the question, when was the last time you moved in faith and.

Sometimes when you ask that question, it's like crickets and I'm like, well, are you

surprised you don't trust you always went the obvious, like I'm on the other side

of this door and we're like, okay, see ya.

But I'm going to go this way.

So,

or people, they just, they're for me, it's, I

have to be still and quiet often.

And everything about my life, I don't know, I'm actually getting

pretty good at being still and quiet, but it's taken 60 years.

You know what I mean?

it's been a long process.

There was a period of time where our children were probably older than yours.

Ours are in their thirties now.

this was in the formative years late teens, twenties, where we were

praying for some things for our kids.

we were casting out decreeing doing, all the mumbo jumbo stuff

that sometimes we do with prayer.

And I was spending some quiet time with the Lord and I feel very confident.

He told me, and I shared this with my wife and fortunately she took it well.

That the Lord said, stop.

Praying for your children.

I've got them.

Y'all's prayers are powerful and y'all are praying against me.

He's like, I'm doing

was,

yeah.

And you know what?

Shortly after we just, and I'm not, this is not like a formula.

Stop praying for your children.

That's not what Tim is saying here.

The Lord told me and my wife, Glory to stop praying for our children.

When we did, there was something really miraculous that happened within days.

the thing about it is with this trust and control.

And I guess a question that I've got at 17, I heard you say it was almost

like a Scarlett O'Hara moment as God is my witness, I'll never blank.

I'll never be poor again or whatever.

And so you spent a lot of years with that kind of mantra.

How hard is it?

And what are some practical things?

I know you've got them in the book.

We're going to, I'm going to ask for a couple of them here.

And what are, what are some practices that you have,

Christine, that kind of keep you?

In that trust submission, not trying to control everything type mode, because

once you do and get results, it is many times you're talking about addictions

and things that are hard to change.

It's hard to change that.

So

tell us how to do that.

Yeah.

Have we arrived?

The answer is never.

You know, we're always being refined.

We're always growing in intimacy.

We're always being renewed every single day.

And I'm always so grateful when I get new revelation or new insight.

And I also know, wow, like there's so much more to that, that he

wants to show me in the right time.

And so I'm just going to say, God, I had to do a lot of work.

On my life or in the area of relationship, you know, I came from a broken marriage.

I came from a lot of abandonment and rejection.

And again, I think we all have our own stories, but because he's

a relational God, and I think he really, it's about the relationship.

And so I want to use, when we talk about what are the practices, I really

believe it's about If you were had an wanted to have an amazing intimate

relationship with your spouse, I'm not just talking about physical intimacy.

I'm talking about where you were just on the same page.

It's like you can just sense each other.

You know where each other's moving and thinking like, that's not just like,

okay, we had our annual get together or a weekly thing and we hung out.

We went on a date now.

Boom.

See you next week.

It's like all day, every day.

You guys are just, you know, top of the day, middle of the day.

There's touch points.

there's just a rhythm to your relationship.

and so it is with the Lord.

You know, I love when Jesus says pray without ceasing,

like pray over everything.

All things pray all the time.

Does that mean we need to literally be on our knees praying?

No, I believe that's like, I'm in the conversation with you all day long.

whether I'm in the shower, I'm driving, I'm worshiping.

I'm just like, Lord, what do you see that I don't see?

and I'm sharing my heart with you I want to talk about.

protocols.

I love, Colossians putting on the new self, getting up every morning.

We have a renewed mind.

We have a renewed spirit, but it's like clothe yourself every day.

And so I think like we go to bed, we get undressed or whatever.

And then every morning you're physically getting dressed,

but you're also spiritually.

Getting dressed and you know for me, that's obviously that

morning time of intimacy.

Yes, you know intimacy every day with the Lord I love to start my day.

Sometimes I ask in bed or I do listening prayer, which is like Holy Spirit

What would you have of me today?

Where are you?

what is the authorized work?

What word do you have for me?

sometimes he's giving me a Specific directive right out the gate and sometimes

it's just that one word that he's speaking in to me And then as he speaks into

me I'm like, tell me more about that.

And that, tell me more.

I've gone through seasons where that word is like, trust.

Recently, Tim, it's like, I get up, Holy Spirit, what would you have?

I mean, he's like, pray, pray, And as I'm like, okay, pray.

And I start, you know, what does that mean?

And I'm going in his word, like, tell me more.

The mind, the word is the mind of God.

I want to understand more of what do you mean by prayer?

Intercede, right?

Intercession is being able to hit the bullseye.

I'm praying for focus.

He's like, pray.

Right?

He's telling me to go intercede.

I'm praying for focus.

The word intercession means to hit the mark.

So it's just so funny that if we kind of dig a little, just as in a relationship,

it's like, what do you mean by that?

Tell me more, like, help me understand more.

He just keeps speaking more into us.

Right?

And so I love to ask him questions and bring things on my heart,

early in the day and just.

Continue to digest on that and I do believe, you know, like having those

practices to really get in the word

Because again going back to what we were talking about.

I did Bible studies Look, I went to like a three hour Bible study every week.

I taught a Bible study We were at a church that was very heavy on Bible studies,

but it was so cerebral We were looking at this, the, the, you know, this as like

a textbook and we were dissecting it and arguing over Theology and what this meant

and what that meant instead of opening it up like it's a breath from God You

know, like it's I always look at this as my father's journal, you know And he

like left me his journal of every single thought every piece of advice everything

that he wants me to do I'm like, do I get in there read my dad's journal?

Like And read it, trying to get to his heart.

And so, I mean, I could go on and on, but I think those are some powerful things

that if I go at the top of the day and I start my day and end my day with this,

with that posture of heart, it just helps keep me In the right path, you

That's so good.

And I, you know, we, my wife and I spent a few years at a Bible college,

it was sort of a Dickens tale.

It was the best of times.

It was the worst of times, if you know what I'm saying, because so

many people know all about God.

They know scriptures.

They can spout and quote, you know, all this type stuff.

But there wasn't the fruit of the spirit, which to me, the fruit is

what spills over from knowing God.

And you, you brought it up earlier.

It was in my quiet time this morning.

I was journaling and I was talking to the Lord about some of my projects

and I was listing out all, I work with leaders and leaders of organizations

and I was listing out clients and praying for them and things like that.

And I was asking him if he had any instructions and all that.

And he, his response was.

Oh, that's good.

Thanks for turning it over to me and letting me help you

says, but it's about the heart.

It's about your heart.

You know, he said, you're, you know, the world system is transactional.

The kingdom of God is heart love relationships like you brought up.

So that's powerful.

When I am shifting a little bit here.

So when I.

First got your book and and I do want to say cool cover.

I love the emerald green on the Especially on the back here.

Look at the emerald green.

So I'm going to bring this up and you could respond.

My first thought, maybe it was my paradigm was, Oh, this is someone

who's been a fighter all their life.

And now they're realizing they don't have to fight.

I don't think that's entirely correct, but I actually do think that a lot

has changed with you related to that.

If I'm reading in correctly, there is still a fight, but.

Maybe we're not supposed to be fighting it the same way.

Give me a Just respond to what I said there.

Does that do you know what I mean?

a hundred percent and here's the thing The book was already

written because I had been journaling through that whole wilderness season

that the lord was taking me through and I'd Written like 18 journals like every

day i'm writing and I remember You What the Lord was teaching me to do was how

to fight different, how to get clear on what I was fighting for, how to upgrade

my arsenal, my, my tools in my toolbox, my weapons in my arsenal, which weren't

gonna be my words to cut people down or, right, or, or judge or whatever, like

all the things, everything, like from the power of my words, to how I was using

scripture, to how I was using spiritual sight, like he was helping me redefine

all of that, and he was teaching me how to fight different, How to fight both

in the physical and in the spiritual, but from totally different fuel, right?

Not from the fuel of anger, wanting to push away and control

things, but really from the heart.

And so I wanted to call the book fight different.

But then when I, that was really the whole point.

I'm like, we got to learn to fight different.

Cause I'm a warrior.

Like the Lord has made me a warrior.

Like I'm a warrior queen.

through and through, right?

Like I love to fight in the spiritual.

And especially now the times that we're in, I think we really got to

get this, but how I fight and what I fight over and what the fight

looks like is radically different.

The publisher said, no, nobody's going to want to buy a book called fight

different cause nobody wants to fight.

And so we went with one of the chapters, which was drop the armor.

But in order to go from fighting, you know, a warrior of the world.

fights for significance, right?

Fights, fights for their security.

They fight for love and affection.

They fight, they think they're fighting for justice.

There's a lot of people right now in the world thinking they're

fighting for justice, but just adding to the collective chaos.

When we're able to go, okay, What are we?

A warrior of the heart, right?

And I say the heart because the heart is the gateway to the soul.

And even though the heart, he who has your heart has your soul, right?

So like, what are the things that your heart is devoted to?

Well, my heart is fully devoted to the Lord.

Going back to you cannot serve God and Mammon, you know, you have to pick one.

You can't be in a love affair with both.

God doesn't share.

He's a jealous God.

He's like an all in.

He's like, you're all in or not.

I don't share, right?

My heart is all in for him.

The fight's different, you know, because he gives me a

heavenly view of the battlefield.

And, when it's time to go in, when it's time to move, when it's time to

pray in the spirit, when it's time to move physically, when it's time

to change a business strategy, right?

It's, it's just like the strategies are different because they're heavenly

strategies versus earthly strategies.

We still got to do tactical, but we have to have different site.

So, you know one thing that's cool about that.

This is my observation I'll bring this up and then you could respond

I My identity leading into 08 was I'm good at business, pretty bright.

I mean, probably then I would have said I was really bright, high achiever,

I might've called myself an ultra achiever, ultra high achiever too.

And, you know, all of those things, and I had a lot of talents and

skills and all that kind of stuff.

Then I went through a surrender process, we'll call it, and what's

interesting is I've observed the more I surrender, the techniques, the tactics,

some of the things that I knew way back when, they still exist and they

still work, but they work differently now that my heart is softening.

And every once in a while, I'll try to slip back into, I mean, I'm at a stage

now where I work three days a week.

I don't schedule anything before noon.

Well, I'm doing this at 11 AM, but nothing before 11 AM.

I'm just trying to operate a different pace.

And the more I do that, Christine, the more I noticed my heart softening, my

results are going through the roof.

Like they never did when I was doing.

I mean, is that what you're seeing?

I mean, what are you seeing?

Cause you, you, you

All right.

I'm right there

you and I probably, cause you did masterminds, you sound like

you were a conference and mastermind.

I don't want to say junkie, but some of us, we, we got involved with all

that stuff and I loved it and some of that money I spent on all that stuff.

I loved it, but what I found was I was really feeding those addictions

to more that we talked about earlier.

And I'm not against any of that, but I mean, I just needed to soften my heart.

And now some of the results are just off the charts and

I'm going, huh, interesting.

What are you, what are your thoughts on that?

I love that you say that because I think that that is the

secret fear of, again, I work with a lot of men and women who are also leaders,

CEO and things that they like, they really, you guys are, you're saved.

You love Jesus, but the drive, the fuel behind is fear.

It's still everything world.

It's like the race against time.

I don't trust time.

I'm going to run out of time.

It's still like, Oh my gosh, the economy, like we're still having this

language about what's happening in the economy and what's happening externally.

And we forget like, okay, when the Lord told Pharaoh, I'm

going to bring 10 plagues.

Remember the Israelites?

They were like in the same place, but they were on touch, right?

The Hebrews, like the, the things of the external.

Did not fall on them because they were protected, right?

They were the God's people.

So we can be in the midst of all of this worldly stuff and we operate.

We operate by a different playbook.

We operate by different rules to the system, and so the world system is like,

you gotta get up top of the day, you gotta bust your butt, work 16 hours,

the more you do, the more you get.

If you actually study biblical principles, this is what we gotta get in the Word.

And I love how Jesus says, I am the way.

Not just the way to the father, the way to eternal life, but I take that

literally when he says, I'm the way.

I'm like, I'm gonna study his leadership.

I'm gonna study how he worked.

Was he in a rush?

Well, I never once heard that he was rushing even from place to place.

He sat down, he had fellowship, he rested.

He would have days of deep work and it would be from morning to night.

And then he would have days of going off by himself and be in solitude.

And then he would have a lot of time invested with his core.

You know, there was a 70, but then there was the 12 and then there was the three.

And he really was about relationship and he did not.

Think, well, this person is not worth my time because she's just

a woman at the well, and she's had five husbands and there's nothing

she can do to advance my kingdom.

But he stopped and he did what the father told him to do.

And he was not in a rush.

And I'm like, all right, he's the way.

So Jesus, if you did it that way, I'm doing it that way.

And I just remember there was a moment where I just said,

Lord, effective immediately.

Like I refuse to make decisions from pressure.

I refuse to operate from chaos.

So if I refuse to overschedule myself, because I know if

I'm, Operating from pressure.

It's not from him.

So I might get the result, but it's going to create more pressure in my life.

when I work with CEOs or business leaders and they're like feeling this

financial crunch and they're like, Christine, I gotta take the debt.

I gotta take the debt.

I gotta do the thing.

I gotta hire this person.

And it's so not biblical.

It's not scriptural.

And they're like, but I want to do this God's way.

And they're straddling two worlds and they're like doing

the splits in the Grand Canyon.

And they're going, why do I feel so torn apart?

Where's God?

And I'm like, he's waiting for you to stop being divided and decide

which camp you're going to be in.

So he can show up, right?

So faith is moving in the unseen, not the same, right?

So it's just in these moments.

Yeah, being able to just say, Lord, like, what is your way?

And it's going to be different than the world's way.

And that's why, you know, one of the prerequisites I tell people when

they work with me, I said, have you exhausted all other worldly options?

Are you ready to get to work in the spiritual and to do

things radically different than everyone else around you is?

And if you're like that's a real question.

Yeah, Christine, you are so speaking my language and words you're

using are so baked into all that we've been on in our journey for so long.

The last word in the reading the subtitle of your book is unlocking

extraordinary life and To me, this is scriptural, but I'm just going

to kind of maybe use this as sort of my last question and maybe one more.

You brought it up.

You brought chaos up.

You've used the word chaos, I think maybe two or three times.

And to me, extraordinary life is the opposite of chaos, which is peace, which

Jesus says, my peace, I bring to you.

That's the kingdom of God.

The kingdom of God operates the attitude and mindset of

the kingdom of God is Peace.

It's not anxiety.

It's not deadlines.

It's not hustle culture.

It's not scheduling yourself to the nth degree.

It's quiet time.

It's listening.

It's all these things, which is the opposite of the way some

of us are wired to succeed.

So we have to work hard at it.

You've already talked about that.

There's a lot of resources in the book, but what I'd love for

you to talk about is the contrast in your life now versus before.

and I'd love for you to do it using the words you've already used chaos and peace.

I know you've got a lot going on.

You've launched a book, you and Mark, y'all have a lot of stuff happening.

However, I know.

Y'all are not massively booked, I'm guessing, but just give whatever you

want to talk about peace versus chaos.

Let's talk about that.

What was normalized in my life before?

And I always talk about, you know, again, what world will we operate by?

What world will we be ruled by and what will be normalized in our life?

What was normalized for me before?

And I think it's just normal.

And it's not normal according to God's design, but it's normal in the world was

to be riddled with anxiety almost all day long, very much living in the future.

You know, I'd wake up anxious.

Like I would wake up.

nervous system buzzing, needing to run and check the bank account, right?

Like how much money, how many sales hit overnight, but like waking up

with my nervous system, just like that unable to really sleep peacefully, you

know, just restlessness and my sleep.

Chaos inside of my home.

I mean, I grew up in a chaotic household.

There was a lot of drama.

There was a lot of chaos.

There was a lot of screaming and disrespect.

And you know, we just repeated it.

So the home was also chaotic.

And I remember Tim, I used to say, yeah, I just like to operate best under pressure.

I operate best with my backs against the wall and I have

organized chaos in my life.

Like I used to say this, but really that was A distortion, okay?

Because what I was always needing was to be in a pressure cooker in

order to be motivated or inspired to, you know, do something.

And so the feel was that, what was normal was very dysfunctional

relationships, to be honest.

Disconnection in my intimate relationships, misalignment, always

feeling Just like I wasn't doing enough and I want to say What's normal today

and I could just share this like a hundred percent is like, you know God

God has blessed me with an amazing man an amazing marriage that is completely

aligned and we are completely dedicated to the kingdom We actually just got

back from a month long holiday in Italy.

We were there for the whole month of July And it was beautiful

because we got to be fully present.

We got to be with each other.

God just brought some amazing people into our lives that he

wanted us to minister and pray for.

And it was just such a time of rejuvenation.

I've just finished a

book, which I, like somebody said, you wrote a great book.

I said, I had a great author, the coauthor, like I, I'm

operating in partnership.

And so.

Even everything from writing this book before the book, I thought I

was going to write when I was just all high performance coach and, you

know, holistic health facilities and stuff was very different from the book

that I wrote with the Holy Spirit.

So today I operate in partnership and, what is normal.

For me is really being rested through the nights waking up rested I sleep well and

people will say what time do you wake up?

You know, you're a high performance athlete Like what time do you wake

up and i'm like I wake up when i'm done sleeping, you know when my

body is rested And same as you I don't Take calls early in the day.

I'm really like protective over that time and space.

And so it's a totally different world.

Everything about my world is different.

And I just want to say this also right now, my husband and

I are in the process of merging.

Our two businesses into one and when we get things right like we start to get

things back in the right order God starts to multiply Things in our life that we

didn't even know were there to multiply, It's like new businesses are birth new

ideas new things and so i'm not saying it's all easy But there is a level of

peace that wasn't there before and i'm certainly you know, I have big dreams.

I have big visions.

I have god shaped visions, but I know i'm not alone this time, We

know if he gave us the vision, he's going to give the provision.

That's exciting.

Yeah.

I mean, we live in a chaotic world.

That's, you know, but we're, you know, our passports are stamped with

the kingdom of God, but yet we're still sort of visiting this world.

So there's chaos there.

Christine, tell people where to go get the book.

I think you've got some resources if they get it from you.

I've got your website pulled up here.

Tell us about the book, drop the armor.

give us some info, even though we've been talking about it the whole time.

Yeah.

Drop the armor is, an amazing journey.

it's really broken down into the three parts to help you to really

release the past, ignite your faith, to like really deepen and strengthen

your faith and trust in that.

And then the third piece is to really step into your mission.

You're calling your identity and the season that God is calling you into.

So it is a playbook.

It's a journey, but there's, Questions on every chapter at the end of the

chapter that I think are really powerful.

There's exercises and tools.

So you can go to drop the armor book.

com that's drop the armor book.

com.

If you buy it, you can get it directly from us there as well.

And when you do, we automatically unlock 200 in bonuses.

There's a fillable PDF journal companion workbook that goes with it.

There's a, Masterclass that I did on upgraded battle strategies in times

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times such as this and there's just a great bundle that goes with that.

So, You just really can't beat it, you know, for the 25 bucks or 30 bucks,

35, whatever the hardcover is, there's so much packed in there for you.

Yeah, definitely.

Make sure to check that out.

We'll put the links down in all of our places so people can get to that.

Yeah, I enjoyed it.

It was a great read for me.

I enjoyed learning more about you and Mark listening to the

podcast over at breaking change.

So Christine, we are seek, go create those three words.

If I were to force or allow you to choose one word over the other two.

Which one would you choose and why?

That's my last question.

I think, just the word seek is really just, you know,

it's hitting me because we hear it all the time, but it's so true.

Like what we are seeking is seeking us, what we are seeking is available to us.

And we think we need to go out and get it.

But I think that the seeking is really about just being there.

opening my eyes to see what's already here, right?

And seeking from the right posture, the right place.

Because when I do that, it's like, boom.

Then I get the ping, the directive to go, to move.

And then the creation becomes way more fun because it's a partnership, you

know, we're creating with the creator.

So it's just like the seeking is, is so, so true, you know, and

seek to understand, seek to double check the posture of your heart.

Right.

Really just seek clarity, seek wisdom, seek insight, seek the

things of the kingdom and all things will be added unto you, right?

The Lord reminded me this morning that He gave

me those words in that order.

Me, specifically for a reason.

That when I seek, then I will know more where to go and what to create.

So, Christine Jewell, thank you so much.

Chai.

Chai.

I knew I would enjoy this conversation.

I enjoyed it more than I thought I would enjoy it.

Make sure, let me hold up a copy of the book here.

drop the armor.

Cool.

You, do you have a, do you really have a sword and a sword

I really have that sword.

It's hanging in my office.

that might scare

my husband and I both have the

sword.

might intimidate me.

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