>> Mr. Richardson: M.
Speaker:>> Dr. Anna Hanslin: Even things where women were never a majority, like
Speaker:military participants, there have always been
Speaker:women who have fought in conflicts and battles
Speaker:and wars and picked up arms. They've never
Speaker:been the majority, but they've always
Speaker:been present in these conflicts. And there have always been
Speaker:a certain amount of women who have fought in
Speaker:these engagements, just like men.
Speaker:>> Unidentified (Podcast Host): Welcome to Whispers of the Past. I'm your host,
Speaker:Fitavit. And this is revolt and the promise of
Speaker:sovereignty. In this episode, we step
Speaker:into the period of 1800 to
Speaker:1850, a time of growing
Speaker:defiance, when resistance against colonial
Speaker:rule surged across the Caribbean.
Speaker:Even as European powers debated
Speaker:abolition, the enslaved refused to wait for their
Speaker:freedom to be granted. Revolts
Speaker:ignited across the region, fueled by
Speaker:whispers of emancipation and the unyielding
Speaker:determination of those still in bondage.
Speaker:But what does it truly mean to resist?
Speaker:Is rebellion only measured by weapons and
Speaker:warfare? Or does it also
Speaker:exist in the quiet acts of defiance that shape
Speaker:history from the shadows?
Speaker:For too long, women's roles in uprising
Speaker:have been overlooked.
Speaker:Yet they were not just witnesses to history.
Speaker:They were strategists, advisors, and
Speaker:bearers of knowledge that sustained entire
Speaker:movements. To begin,
Speaker:historian Dr. Anna Hanslin takes us beyond
Speaker:synthesis. Offering a broader
Speaker:perspective on the Atlantic route,
Speaker:she reveals how women's resistance, though often
Speaker:unseen, was fundamental to the revolutions
Speaker:that reshaped the Caribbean.
Speaker:>> Dr. Anna Hanslin: Yes, so some people, I think, assume that men are always
Speaker:the ones who are leading revolts because they tend to
Speaker:be the warriors in revolutions and
Speaker:rebellions. But in pretty much
Speaker:every war, women are present as, um, active
Speaker:fighters as well, whether that's by choice or by
Speaker:accident. And so you do have examples of
Speaker:women actually fighting in. In
Speaker:rebellions in the 18th and 19th century. But
Speaker:I think more importantly, women are present in ways that
Speaker:support the revolution and rebellion in
Speaker:various places in the Atlantic world, um,
Speaker:as people who are spiritual advisors,
Speaker:practical advisors, people who are the keepers of
Speaker:memory in terms of what's happening
Speaker:and things in the past that might inform
Speaker:the the present and their actions. They're also
Speaker:the people who often have their ears to the ground. They can
Speaker:easily collect the latest gossip and the latest
Speaker:news, particularly enslaved women who are
Speaker:laboring inside plantation houses, who
Speaker:are close to their enslavers for various reasons, and sometimes that is
Speaker:because of a sexual relationship. They're conduits
Speaker:of information. And so they can be really
Speaker:important central actors in these sort
Speaker:of networks of communication that Julia Scott and other
Speaker:historians have identified as really important. In
Speaker:Flaming the Fan of Rebellion in the Caribbean in the
Speaker:18th and 19th centuries.
Speaker:>> Unidentified (Podcast Host): Women'S role in rebellion have often been
Speaker:overshadowed by male dominated narratives.
Speaker:But as Dr. Anna Hansen explains, their
Speaker:contributions extended far beyond combat,
Speaker:encompassing intelligence gathering,
Speaker:spiritual leadership, and direct
Speaker:resistance. What does it truly mean to
Speaker:lead a rebellion? Is it defined solely
Speaker:by those who wield weapons?
Speaker:Or does leadership also lie in the unseen
Speaker:network that sustain revolts from within?
Speaker:In a world where survival often depends on
Speaker:strategy, enslaved women, especially
Speaker:those laboring inside plantation houses,
Speaker:became critical sources of intelligence.
Speaker:Their proximity to enslavers granted them
Speaker:access to whispered plans, shifting political
Speaker:currents, and the hidden tension that could spark
Speaker:an uprising. These
Speaker:women became conduits of knowledge. Their m
Speaker:voices carried vital information through secret
Speaker:networks that historians recognized as
Speaker:essential to the Caribbean resistance movements.
Speaker:But this knowledge came at a cost. For
Speaker:these women, information was both a weapon and a
Speaker:burden, A tool for liberation,
Speaker:yet a risk that could mean a difference between freedom
Speaker:and a deadly punishment.
Speaker:Beyond gathering intelligence, enslaved women also
Speaker:played vital roles as spiritual guides and
Speaker:advisors, drawing upon traditions deeply
Speaker:rooted in West African heritage.
Speaker:These traditions, passed down through generations,
Speaker:offered strength and strategy in time of
Speaker:turmoil. But how did these roles
Speaker:translate into leadership during uprisings? How
Speaker:did the wisdom of women shape the course of the
Speaker:rebellion? Dr. Anna Hanselin
Speaker:explains.
Speaker:>> Dr. Anna Hanslin: And I think also among communities where
Speaker:African spiritual traditions are still present
Speaker:and African cultural traditions are really strong,
Speaker:Female leaders in Africa do have, again,
Speaker:different role than they do in white patriarchal
Speaker:European societies. And so, you know,
Speaker:there's a sense that women should be respected as the keepers
Speaker:of collective memory. And the idea that women
Speaker:can be wise and offer counsel to the men
Speaker:who are going to fight and be warriors, and also that there
Speaker:are female spiritual leaders, um, in a lot of West
Speaker:African traditions. And so I think you see all of these various
Speaker:roles, um, of women coming together. But
Speaker:of course, as with what defines their conditions of
Speaker:enslavement, it also can be difficult for women these
Speaker:times of rebellion and revolution, because it's harder
Speaker:for you to run with an army
Speaker:or, um, you know, run to a maroon community.
Speaker:If you have a baby, you know that you're a baby in your
Speaker:arms, that you're breastfeeding, right? And so I think these are
Speaker:again, um, concerns that aren't limited to
Speaker:women. Certainly, you know, men or fathers and have,
Speaker:have familial concerns too. But it was definitely the case
Speaker:in this period that women are the primary
Speaker:caregivers and nurturers, usually of children. And so this is
Speaker:going to affect their ability to be physically
Speaker:present with revolutionary armies and forces.
Speaker:But again, any army or military
Speaker:force, and this is true across
Speaker:Time in the Caribbean, as elsewhere, relies on
Speaker:the labor of women to sustain it. So you have
Speaker:women working as cooks and, um,
Speaker:laundresses and sexual partners and doing
Speaker:all the things that keep an army full of men
Speaker:on, on their feet and in fighting condition. And
Speaker:so you see, you see this again with women involved in
Speaker:slave revolts and rebellions throughout the Caribbean. So
Speaker:I would say they do play a really vital role in
Speaker:multiple ways, even though they're not,
Speaker:obviously, you know, the ones
Speaker:primarily yielding the swords or the bayonets or the
Speaker:musket.
Speaker:>> Unidentified (Podcast Host): As Dr. Anna Hansen highlights, women were
Speaker:woven into the fairy fabric of resistance. Whether
Speaker:through spiritual leadership, intelligence gathering,
Speaker:or sustaining revolutionary forces, they
Speaker:were indispensable. Yet while these
Speaker:networks of resistance stretched across the Caribbean,
Speaker:each island has its own story to tell.
Speaker:How did these broader movements toward freedom shape life
Speaker:on Sint Eustaceous? To understand the local impact, we turn
Speaker:to Missesutikau, a long term resident and one of
Speaker:the founders of the center of Archaeology and Research.
Speaker:She helps us explore the period of unrest here on
Speaker:Sintostatius and how enslaved individuals
Speaker:sought their own path to freedom,
Speaker:often looking beyond their own shores to
Speaker:islands where slavery had already been abolished.
Speaker:>> Ms. Sutekau: This was a time of slavery unrest all through the
Speaker:Caribbean. In
Speaker:1846, the English Islands and, um,
Speaker:granted emancipation of slavery.
Speaker:And so a lot of Irish slaves were trying to escape
Speaker:in those years to the British islands.
Speaker:Oftentimes they were escaping to the Spanish
Speaker:islands because the Spanish were allowed even to be
Speaker:free. The French islands had been
Speaker:granted emancipation of slavery, but after
Speaker:Napoleon came in, they reinstituted
Speaker:the institution of slavery. So the French
Speaker:islands were later in actually
Speaker:recognizing slavery. But this was the time of the
Speaker:unrest and this was the time that slaves were beginning
Speaker:to find out that they had
Speaker:power and that they needed to exercise their
Speaker:power for their own rights.
Speaker:>> Unidentified (Podcast Host): The early 19th century marked a turning point for
Speaker:Sint Eustatius. While resistance and
Speaker:rebellion were spreading across the region, the island
Speaker:itself was undergoing dramatic changes.
Speaker:No longer the thriving trading hub of the previous
Speaker:century, Stacia faced economic
Speaker:decline, shifting political control and
Speaker:the departure of key merchant groups.
Speaker:What did this mean for those who remained?
Speaker:How did these changes impact the
Speaker:enslaved, free people of color and the
Speaker:landowners who had once shaped the island's
Speaker:economy? Mrs. Sutekau helps us
Speaker:understand the shifting landscape of this era and
Speaker:what it means for Stacia's future.
Speaker:>> Ms. Sutekau: I know that there were a lot
Speaker:of involvement, uh, with women
Speaker:who own property here, and
Speaker:that property, um, was often
Speaker:sold during that period. You have
Speaker:to remember, after
Speaker:1816. In early
Speaker:1800s and 1860, when we regained
Speaker:our independence from England
Speaker:and France and became Dutch again to stay Dutch
Speaker:forever, our economy was going
Speaker:down. Our warehouses were closed. The
Speaker:French had closed the warehouses, and the English kept them
Speaker:closed during that period of time. So that by
Speaker:1816, after the war, in 1812, in the
Speaker:United States, station was never more, uh,
Speaker:a, uh, large trading colony. Small amounts of
Speaker:trades may be going on, but we were not needed
Speaker:by the New World at that point in time.
Speaker:So almost all the stuff that was
Speaker:going out here with agricultural. So
Speaker:we were growing crops. We started growing indigo, about that
Speaker:term. We started doing the sisal
Speaker:crop where we were making the rope and everything
Speaker:else. There also was the
Speaker:beginning of our cotton crops.
Speaker:Originally we were growing Sea island cotton
Speaker:and also inferior grades.
Speaker:We lost that contract to Montserrat,
Speaker:supposedly because our good
Speaker:cotton was spiked with some bad cotton.
Speaker:And, um, it did not meet the quality that was needed in
Speaker:England. This was a period that
Speaker:Stacia was greatly
Speaker:decreased economically in its
Speaker:value. It was also a period when
Speaker:people, planters and plantation
Speaker:owners began to leave the island.
Speaker:The Jewish population had already gone.
Speaker:So there were not the Jewish merchant ships that
Speaker:had been here before that were involved
Speaker:in the trade. So because the Jewish
Speaker:population basically left the island
Speaker:by the early 1800, only one Jewish
Speaker:woman left with life, and she died in
Speaker:1846. And, uh,
Speaker:she wasn't even buried on this island. She was either
Speaker:buried with her family in Saint Martin or Nevis
Speaker:or one of the surrounding islands. So
Speaker:that, uh, 1800s to the
Speaker:1850s was the beginning of the
Speaker:decline of St. Eustachia.
Speaker:>> Unidentified (Podcast Host): As the 19th century progressed, Sint Eustacea
Speaker:was no longer the bustling trading hub it once
Speaker:was. The warehouses were closed,
Speaker:the Jewish merchant community had left, and
Speaker:the island's economy became increasingly
Speaker:reliant on agriculture.
Speaker:While global powers debated abolition, the
Speaker:island's trajectory seemed to shift away from its
Speaker:past dominance. Yet
Speaker:even as Stacia's formal role in the transatlantic
Speaker:enslaved economy declined, the illegal
Speaker:trade in enslaved people continued. As
Speaker:Mr. Richardson, the island's heritage inspector,
Speaker:explains how colonial powers may have
Speaker:abolished the transatlantic and slave trade,
Speaker:but that didn't mean that the practice had
Speaker:truly ended. Instead, the demand for
Speaker:forced labor fueled underground networks,
Speaker:exposing the stark contradictions between
Speaker:abolitionist policies and economic
Speaker:real.
Speaker:>> Mr. Richardson: So we're, uh, now in the beginning of the 19th
Speaker:century, and St. Eustatius of is showing the
Speaker:Caribbean that stage is different. So
Speaker:now think about what I've said about the island
Speaker:changing hands. You know, 22 times in the space of
Speaker:150 years. We're still within that
Speaker:150 years. We're nearing the
Speaker:end of the final change of hands, but we're not there
Speaker:yet. In that period, though, before we go
Speaker:in, it's the late 1790s. Two
Speaker:young Irish boys, no older than
Speaker:25 or on a ship, and they're. Guess
Speaker:what they're doing. They're trying to sell a few
Speaker:enslaved people still. And think about this way. The
Speaker:British have already outlawed the trade between
Speaker:Africa, so that. That has stopped. It's illegal. But
Speaker:then this, These two Irish gentlemen who is then part of, you
Speaker:know, considered British, they are
Speaker:sailing down from the USA and they're being. They go into
Speaker:port and in the letters, you can read the letters
Speaker:today, and you can hear them saying that
Speaker:they've been turned away in this port and that port. And they're
Speaker:heading down now from the area of the Bahamas,
Speaker:it's all British, and they don't know where to go.
Speaker:And they meet up with other
Speaker:traders somewhere in the area of what is now
Speaker:today the Turks and Caicos Islands. And what do they
Speaker:do? They are told that they can get rid of their
Speaker:commodity on Saint Eustatius. So. And
Speaker:they did. So this ship comes into Sint Eustace
Speaker:still with about 10 or 20 enslaved people,
Speaker:and we're talking about the late
Speaker:1790s. So think of it.
Speaker:We're no longer in 1640. We're now in the
Speaker:1790s. And it's still being
Speaker:done. It's still being done illegally. And Stacia is
Speaker:harboring all of that. Stacia is still. After
Speaker:the plundering of Rodney that we spoke about in
Speaker:previous episodes, Stacia is still doing this.
Speaker:It's still being accepted. That goes to show you what
Speaker:the vibe of the island was. And then you see
Speaker:that these two boys, um, these young
Speaker:gentlemen, they succeed in this and then they
Speaker:disappear and they're never seen again. And then you see
Speaker:that fast forward in
Speaker:1798. We're almost
Speaker:in the 19th century, and they still do it. Someone
Speaker:else does it this time. Um, the French.
Speaker:And what you need to remember is that
Speaker:what's interesting is the French Revolution already
Speaker:happened. So you have equality,
Speaker:fraternity, and what's the one,
Speaker:the other one I forgot. Anyway, so the French has
Speaker:this thing, and the French is like, you know,
Speaker:abolishing slavery, et cetera, and before
Speaker:Napoleon reinstates it years after.
Speaker:But what is interesting is that the island is French
Speaker:when that happens. And it's not Dutch,
Speaker:it's not English and, uh, what you will see that in between
Speaker:From M. The 1600s up to now,
Speaker:everyone, the island is changing hands. And no
Speaker:one up to now
Speaker:abolishes slavery.
Speaker:So whether it was illegal to even trade
Speaker:or sell in the French territories, when
Speaker:the minute the French got into Satius, they ramped up
Speaker:the trade in slaves, the minute the British,
Speaker:the Dutch, the minute everyone got it back,
Speaker:this little island, they kept doing it and doing it
Speaker:and doing it. And so that shows you the
Speaker:depth of how far St. Eustatius was already
Speaker:known in the trade of the enslaved people.
Speaker:>> Unidentified (Podcast Host): The persistence of, uh, the illegal slave trade on
Speaker:Sintostatius underscores the island's deep
Speaker:entanglement in human exploitation,
Speaker:even as abolishment gained ground elsewhere.
Speaker:But as the 19th century progressed, the island's
Speaker:economy adapted. Plantations
Speaker:expanded, bringing new crops, but also new
Speaker:horrors. The enslaved endured extreme
Speaker:brutalities, punishments designed not only to
Speaker:enforce control, but to strip them from their
Speaker:humanity. These practices, passed down
Speaker:through oral histories, reveal the full extent of the
Speaker:violence used to maintain the system.
Speaker:Despite this cruelty, survival and resistance took
Speaker:many forms. As Mr. Richardson continues, he
Speaker:brings us into the heart of these oral histories.
Speaker:Stories that bear witness to the suffering, but also
Speaker:the resilience. This next
Speaker:segment contains descriptions of extreme physical
Speaker:punishment. If you
Speaker:prefer to skip this content, you may fast forward the next
Speaker:three minutes.
Speaker:>> Mr. Richardson: So station life is still pretty much
Speaker:the same, but then there's a change. The
Speaker:plantations that I told you that were amounted to 30
Speaker:are now 76. So the
Speaker:plantation economy goes into
Speaker:full drive. You see that it grows
Speaker:even. So it's like one trade dies and the
Speaker:other one picks up. So then, now you have indigo. You even
Speaker:have a crawfish. You have sugar, you
Speaker:have rum. There's a lot of rum distilleries on the
Speaker:island from back then. And you see this is then ramping
Speaker:up. And then you see that the island is still kind of
Speaker:disconnected from the colonial government or from the
Speaker:Hague at the time. And
Speaker:then there's, of course, the stories. And a
Speaker:lot of these stories that you see are, uh, oral
Speaker:traditions. And I find oral traditions should not be
Speaker:discredited because oral traditions
Speaker:were the local way
Speaker:of keeping stories alive and telling your history.
Speaker:And why I'm going to say this is because many of those oral
Speaker:traditions have proven to be extremely true when
Speaker:it came to St. Eustatius. And when we go into the early
Speaker:20th century, I will give more explanation as to why you
Speaker:reach on the famous golden rock plantation,
Speaker:there's Mr. Moore Sr. And Mr. Moore
Speaker:Jr. The Moore family sounds very English, but
Speaker:it's actually very stationed. They were born on stage, of
Speaker:course, descended from Irish colonists, but they were born
Speaker:on Stacia afterwards. And senior Mr.
Speaker:Moore then is known to have impregnated many
Speaker:of enslaved women. He was also known as the father
Speaker:of the mulattoes on St. Eustatia's and of
Speaker:course, kind of, you know, it's not something to be proud of.
Speaker:But Mr. Moore is then, or Mr. Moore
Speaker:Sr. Is also credited with his harsh,
Speaker:harsh punishment. Punishment, like his son later,
Speaker:to the enslaved people. And what you see is
Speaker:there's many examples of oral traditions of women
Speaker:being placed in ditches to where
Speaker:they would be placed face down and would get the
Speaker:harshest of punishments. And one punishment is
Speaker:what I saw was a cattle ride. And I
Speaker:often wondered what was a cattle ride until
Speaker:via a colleague in Barbados who explained to
Speaker:me what a cattle ride is. That is
Speaker:where they would use kind of. They would dig
Speaker:out a ditch, and it's quite
Speaker:sad. And they would place you face down in that
Speaker:ditch, and they would drive.
Speaker:Or the master or the owner of the plantation
Speaker:would ride his carriage
Speaker:over you. So you would have kind of been the
Speaker:function of the road. You would become the road, and you would be
Speaker:face down. And this would have caused many
Speaker:deformities, you know, crooked backs, broken
Speaker:spines. People would have died. People would have been
Speaker:crushed. And that was one of. That was just one of the few punishments
Speaker:that they had here on St. Eustatius. And if
Speaker:you go back into the records and you read the letter
Speaker:of, uh, Zimmerman, who's traveling the islands, you can
Speaker:see that Sycius does not. It's the
Speaker:golden rock. But when it comes to the punishment and the treatment
Speaker:of enslaved people, it is harsh. And he
Speaker:records also the quarters of how the enslaved people are
Speaker:treated and how they live. And this is still all the
Speaker:1800s. And in that period
Speaker:of the 1800s, um, the island becomes then
Speaker:permanently Dutch. They don't realize it
Speaker:until about 1816. It happened in 1815
Speaker:officially at the concert in Vienna. But they don't realize it
Speaker:here until 1816.
Speaker:>> Unidentified (Podcast Host): The plantation economy tightens its grip on sinter
Speaker:statius. But resistance took many
Speaker:forms. Some sought freedom through rebellion,
Speaker:while others worked within the system to subvert it from
Speaker:the inside. Among
Speaker:these women were free women of color, figures
Speaker:often overlooked in the history of resistance.
Speaker:As landowners, businesswomen, and guardians of
Speaker:future generations, they challenged the notion that
Speaker:power lay solely in the hands of the colonial
Speaker:rulers. As Mr. Richardson
Speaker:continues, he will introduce us To Francis
Speaker:Coffee, Mary Gibbs, and other women who
Speaker:navigated oppression in unexpected ways, using
Speaker:ownership, trade and skill building to
Speaker:carve out spaces of autonomy.
Speaker:>> Mr. Richardson: And as that period progress, there are a lot of free
Speaker:people of color. The free people of color population recovers
Speaker:again since Rodney. And then you see a lot
Speaker:of key figures popping up. And in
Speaker:that period, what is interesting is that
Speaker:there's a lady called
Speaker:Frances Coffey who
Speaker:buys the Glass bottle plantation for
Speaker:3,000 florins or guilders at
Speaker:the time. And she buys the plantation
Speaker:with everything that's attached, including
Speaker:the enslaved people. Um,
Speaker:but it's not all what it seems. And in that
Speaker:period as well, what you see is
Speaker:another lady. Her name was Mary
Speaker:Gibbs. Mary Gibbs is a seamstress.
Speaker:She's a free woman of color. And she takes
Speaker:about 10 to 15
Speaker:girls under her wing who are still
Speaker:enslaved. But what's interesting is that you
Speaker:see all of these women and also men, but mostly the
Speaker:women having people under the wing, where it
Speaker:seems as if the enslaved people or the free
Speaker:people of color aren't into satius or have
Speaker:slaves themselves. But you don't have a plantation, but you
Speaker:own slaves. M. So the European idea
Speaker:would be, you see, free people had black people, had
Speaker:slaves as well in the Caribbean. But is that true,
Speaker:though? That's reading things from a helicopter view. But
Speaker:when you go in between, reading between
Speaker:the lines, and you see, for example,
Speaker:Mary Brown is 70 when she
Speaker:acquires these girls, quite old for that time,
Speaker:but she. She is going to eventually die at
Speaker:72. And in her will
Speaker:she leaves, all these girls are free.
Speaker:And in two years time, they're all kind of
Speaker:trained to be seamstresses. And what you
Speaker:see eventually in the emancipation register, when that
Speaker:would eventually come in 1863, when you
Speaker:go back there, you see what was going on. All of these
Speaker:girls were kind of going into apprenticeship
Speaker:under slavery. So on stage, had they kind of dealt
Speaker:develop this kind of very
Speaker:intellectual way of what we call
Speaker:defiance or Verset. I think it's not
Speaker:explored enough in the Caribbean how
Speaker:people were using this system that
Speaker:was, you know, unlawfully, you
Speaker:know, uh, implemented or given to them, how
Speaker:they turned this system around to make it work in their
Speaker:favor. So what you see on synthesis is a
Speaker:sort of deliverette
Speaker:where they're using the norm of
Speaker:slavery right in front of the colonial
Speaker:governors.
Speaker:>> Unidentified (Podcast Host): Ownership on paper didn't always mean what it
Speaker:seemed. While colonial records listed free
Speaker:people of color as enslavers, a closer
Speaker:look reveals a completely different story.
Speaker:Some, like Mary Gibbs, took Young enslaved
Speaker:women under their career, not to exploit them, but to
Speaker:teach them skills that would one day allow them to live as
Speaker:free women. These were quiet
Speaker:revolutions hidden in legal documents,
Speaker:yet profoundly impactful.
Speaker:One such woman was Mama Didier.
Speaker:She took this idea even further, creating
Speaker:an entire network of apprenticeships
Speaker:that changed the futures of those under her
Speaker:career.
Speaker:>> Mr. Richardson: And then there's another brilliant story of. It's, uh,
Speaker:around 18. It's 1808,
Speaker:almost 1810. And one particular
Speaker:lady in the register in the Notre Les Briefs
Speaker:is like, her name is Mama Didier, and many people
Speaker:are referred to as Mama. And her
Speaker:initial, her original initial is V. But the only
Speaker:thing she could have, she signed, so she probably was
Speaker:not able to read. So she signed Mama
Speaker:Didier, but didn't even write her own name. But what's
Speaker:interesting is that she has a mixture now of 20
Speaker:people in her apprenticeship.
Speaker:Let's say she owns them. It's notarized.
Speaker:They're all enslaved. There's boys and girls. But what
Speaker:happened is her husband is the only
Speaker:blacksmith on the island, um, and all the boys in
Speaker:Mama Didier's care are trained to become
Speaker:blacksmiths, and all the girls are becoming
Speaker:bakers. And then she dies. And then when you
Speaker:go back to the slave emancipation register,
Speaker:she's already dead. But you find all of these
Speaker:boys and girls, and you can guess what their occupation are.
Speaker:Blacksmith. Blacksmith. Blacksmith. Bakers. Bakers.
Speaker:Bakers. Bakers. And then you see that formerly
Speaker:enslaved people venture out to other islands
Speaker:already with a occupation and a
Speaker:skill. And that's one of the things I think
Speaker:are extremely unique, um, at the time,
Speaker:and I think under a European lens, they would have
Speaker:easily missed this. And it's very interesting
Speaker:that this is something that the women, especially the
Speaker:enslaved and the free women of color were
Speaker:doing on
Speaker:Stacey.
Speaker:>> Unidentified (Podcast Host): While some resisted through economic
Speaker:strategies, others took a different action.
Speaker:The 1848 uprising of
Speaker:Sintostatius was not an isolated act.
Speaker:It was part of a broader Caribbean movement where
Speaker:enslaved and free people alike defied
Speaker:colonial rule. This revolt was
Speaker:led by Thomas Dubois. But as
Speaker:history often shows, men were not the only
Speaker:ones fighting for freedom. Women marched
Speaker:alongside them, risking everything to claim a future
Speaker:that had long been denied. Mr.
Speaker:Richardson takes us into the defining moment
Speaker:when one that would forever alter the course of Sint
Speaker:Eustatia's history.
Speaker:>> Mr. Richardson: And of course, much later, around June
Speaker:12, 1848, we have that famous uprising here
Speaker:on the island. And, um, it is led
Speaker:by a free man of color,
Speaker:um, and his name is Thomas
Speaker:Dubassois. And he's a free man of color.
Speaker:He's born into freedom. So his parents were free,
Speaker:and he was born into freedom here on the island.
Speaker:And eventually he would be. After the
Speaker:emancipation, he would find his way back to St. Eustatius, and
Speaker:many of his descendants were still here today.
Speaker:There's this uprising of the
Speaker:1848 uprising on the island, the
Speaker:revolt, as it's called, where Thomas Duboussoir
Speaker:rides into town and demands his freedom. And on the
Speaker:way, it's getting m momentum. Um, and what we do know
Speaker:from the letters of the governor is that mostly
Speaker:women, of course, they joined, and of course there's a
Speaker:few men, but a lot of women are joining this because that's the
Speaker:driving force. They want their freedom. They go
Speaker:into the governor's residence, which is the green and white cove in
Speaker:the middle of town on that square. That's where they
Speaker:go. And the governor at the time is
Speaker:Johannes de Vere. What's interesting is that
Speaker:the de Vere family would have met a
Speaker:revolt in every century. So there was a
Speaker:de Vere in the Demerara uprising. There was a
Speaker:dver in the time of Tula. And now we're on
Speaker:St. Eustatius. There's a de Vere here again. There was a de Vere on
Speaker:St. Martin. And these are all colonial governors
Speaker:and colonial families. And that's for a story for
Speaker:itself, how that superstition developed around the de
Speaker:Vere family. But. So the governor is
Speaker:Johannes de Vere. And Thomas Duboussois is
Speaker:like, marching into the square, demanding his
Speaker:freedom. And you can see he's literate. He
Speaker:knows his things. He knows about the other islands. He knows
Speaker:about what happened on St. Martin, et cetera. You can see he
Speaker:can read everything he knows. And the governor's like,
Speaker:I cannot give you your freedom at this time. That
Speaker:is, it's not in my power to do so. I think
Speaker:you should go back to your plantations and do your work. And you, Thomas,
Speaker:are a free man of color. So what are you making a fuss
Speaker:about? And he was like, no, I want this for my fellow
Speaker:station men. And then with Thomas, of course, there's the
Speaker:culprits. They're the ones that are named. There is, you know,
Speaker:Valentine, there's Oscar, there's
Speaker:Abraham and Thomas. And I'm forgetting one name
Speaker:because it should be five that did the uprising and the leader making
Speaker:it six. We know for a fact that
Speaker:there were women present that lost their lives,
Speaker:and there were women that fought. And when you look at many
Speaker:of the uprising also on the other islands in the
Speaker:caribbean region, it's all being led by women, often
Speaker:even on St. Martin with one titi luque. It's also women,
Speaker:but also unseen. Eustatia. There are women leading
Speaker:uprising, but the thing is, they're not named. What's interesting
Speaker:is that with the 1848 uprising, these
Speaker:gentlemen would eventually marry local
Speaker:women after emancipation. And now we know their
Speaker:names, but in none of the original records that their
Speaker:families or the women's names were mentioned. And
Speaker:that goes to show you the role at that time
Speaker:of women. So you can imagine that outside of women,
Speaker:you know, like I called francis, coffey, mamade,
Speaker:all of these people that predated them. It's like
Speaker:they. What they fought for what they did, or
Speaker:somehow, you know, you know, forgotten and
Speaker:swept under the rug. But what you would eventually
Speaker:see as the turn of the century comes and
Speaker:abolishment would eventually come in
Speaker:1863, is that you would see the
Speaker:role of women in society
Speaker:becoming more and more dominant. Because
Speaker:women are not only the church leaders, but they're also the
Speaker:organizers. They're part of the social
Speaker:structure. They're the hierarchy. They are the
Speaker:ones that keep the household together. And
Speaker:they're the ones that also go to the market. Because
Speaker:even some of the earliest pictures of
Speaker:the free color market that we have, where the current
Speaker:wilhelmina park is, all the women doing all the.
Speaker:Well, everyone doing commerce and trade
Speaker:and selling are women
Speaker:and not men. So you see, the men are
Speaker:fishing and doing the planting, but the women are the one
Speaker:dealing with the pocketbook. They're the one dealing with the money.
Speaker:They're the ones setting up the commerce and the trade.
Speaker:And you will see that will continue onwards as we get into
Speaker:the 20th century.
Speaker:>> Unidentified (Podcast Host): Though the names of many women in the uprisings
Speaker:remain completely lost to history, Their presence
Speaker:in the struggle for freedom cannot be denied.
Speaker:From syntastacia to haiti, from
Speaker:suriname to jamaica, women played crucial
Speaker:roles not just in open combat, but
Speaker:intelligent networks, supply chains, and
Speaker:spiritual leadership. Dr.
Speaker:Anna Hanslin explains on this, showing us
Speaker:why women contribution to resistance deserve
Speaker:recognition, not just in the caribbean, but, uh,
Speaker:across the world.
Speaker:>> Dr. Anna Hanslin: Even things where women were never a majority, like
Speaker:military participants, There have always been
Speaker:women who have fought in conflicts and battles
Speaker:and wars and picked up arms. They've never
Speaker:been the majority, unless you want to go back to the myth of the
Speaker:amazons, but they've never been the majority in any of
Speaker:the societies we're talking about today, but
Speaker:they've always been present in these conflicts.
Speaker:And there have always been a certain amount of women who
Speaker:have fought in these engagements, just like
Speaker:men. And I think recognizing that makes
Speaker:it then possible for us to think maybe it's
Speaker:not so strange that people in the 21st century
Speaker:think it's okay for women to be in the military.
Speaker:>> Unidentified (Podcast Host): Beyond armed resistance, enslaved women also
Speaker:fought battles over their own bodies.
Speaker:Colonial authorities saw their ability to bear children
Speaker:as a way to sustain slavery long after the
Speaker:transatlantic trade was abolished.
Speaker:But this was not just about forced reproduction.
Speaker:It was about control. Surveillance
Speaker:over women's fertility intensified, leaving
Speaker:them with little autonomy over their own lives.
Speaker:Historian and teacher Dr. Elaine unpacks how this
Speaker:plays across different colonial systems and how
Speaker:enslaved women responded to this oppression, sometimes
Speaker:in ways that defied the very system meant to break
Speaker:them.
Speaker:>> Dr. Elaine: So, basically, as I mentioned before, slave
Speaker:reproduction was really, really low in the
Speaker:Caribbean. And all of a sudden,
Speaker:slaveholders needed to find a way to
Speaker:reproduce the labor force, right?
Speaker:Because as the slave trade was coming to an end,
Speaker:and eventually as slavery was coming to an end, there
Speaker:was a need to continue the cultivation of
Speaker:sugar and other cash crops, even in the absence of an
Speaker:enslaved labor force. So, you know,
Speaker:conditions on these plantations were horrific. Just
Speaker:really some of the most brutal conditions you
Speaker:could possibly imagine human beings living through.
Speaker:And so that's why the, you know, fertility rate was really
Speaker:low. And so all of a sudden, we see this
Speaker:sense of kind of panic on the part of
Speaker:many, many different, um, people with some sort of
Speaker:stake in slavery over how the population
Speaker:would continue to. To exist in these
Speaker:colonies. And so this goes back to the idea
Speaker:of amelioration. So one of the kind of, um,
Speaker:key features of amelioration was that it was
Speaker:intended to increase the birth rate. And, in fact, it was
Speaker:unsuccessful. It didn't really increase the birth
Speaker:rate, but it was intended to increase the birth rate
Speaker:by encouraging women to have more children.
Speaker:So women who had lots of children were awarded
Speaker:with prizes, were awarded with,
Speaker:um, time off from work, were awarded with
Speaker:extra food and clothing. Uh, there was
Speaker:much more of an interest in regulating
Speaker:women's reproduction and fertility. So prior
Speaker:to this point, enslaved women were sort of left to their own
Speaker:devices when it came to birth, um,
Speaker:breastfeeding. Now, this was
Speaker:in many ways negative because it meant that
Speaker:they obviously were giving birth
Speaker:to children under extremely difficult conditions,
Speaker:but it also meant that they had some degree of
Speaker:privacy from white people and white
Speaker:slaveholders when it came to sort of their intimate
Speaker:lives, giving birth, taking care of
Speaker:infants. This was something that they sort of dealt with
Speaker:themselves, independent of White
Speaker:people, um, and plantation
Speaker:authorities. So the amelioration period changes this.
Speaker:And we start to see slaveholders,
Speaker:doctors, other people interested in
Speaker:sort of, um, ensuring reproduction, become much more
Speaker:involved in sort of, um, overseeing
Speaker:women's fertility and child rearing practices.
Speaker:Um, so this put women under enormous surveillance.
Speaker:And, um, also made life very
Speaker:difficult for women who couldn't have children or
Speaker:who didn't have children. There was a, you
Speaker:know, this immense sense of pressure to
Speaker:bear children because it came with
Speaker:material rewards. And obviously the effects on
Speaker:women who were unable to have lots of children would have been
Speaker:pretty significant.
Speaker:>> Unidentified (Podcast Host): For many enslaved women, this pressure to reproduce was
Speaker:not just physical, it was psychological and
Speaker:emotional. Those who could
Speaker:bear children were often punished or ostracized,
Speaker:while those who did were rewarded, but only within the
Speaker:confines of servitude. Yet even
Speaker:in these oppressive conditions, resistance took
Speaker:shape not always through open rebellion, but
Speaker:in small daily acts of defiance that
Speaker:historians are only now beginning to fully
Speaker:recognize.
Speaker:>> Dr. Elaine: And so that's one way in which amelioration
Speaker:definitely impacted the status of
Speaker:women in the British Caribbean. In the context
Speaker:of the Spanish Caribbean, we see a similar
Speaker:kind of focus on enslaved women's bodies.
Speaker:So in the early 1870s,
Speaker:Spain passes something called the Moret Law,
Speaker:which declared that children born
Speaker:to enslaved women would be
Speaker:free, thereby reversing the doctrine of
Speaker:partus sequiter ventrum in the context
Speaker:of the French Caribbean. Interestingly, we
Speaker:don't see this as overtly. This is something that I
Speaker:actually focus on in my dissertation, and I have an article
Speaker:under revision that talks about this.
Speaker:Um, we don't see this pronounced
Speaker:effort on the part of slaveholders to ensure
Speaker:reproduction through medical means. And I argue
Speaker:in my work that actually the regulation of women's
Speaker:mobility was the primary mechanism by which
Speaker:reproduction was regulated. By side
Speaker:note, it would be interesting for someone
Speaker:who has the linguistic
Speaker:abilities to do this analysis in the context of the
Speaker:Dutch Caribbean to sort of take a look at
Speaker:slave reproduction there in the period of
Speaker:abolition. Another thing I want
Speaker:to mention here is that during
Speaker:this period, despite what I said previously about
Speaker:women not playing a huge role in armed rebellion,
Speaker:I can think of a few rebellions in the 19th century
Speaker:where women did feature prominently in
Speaker:Cuba. In 1844, there was a major slave
Speaker:conspiracy to enact a rebellion.
Speaker:And as the historian Aisha Finch has
Speaker:shown, women were, uh, a part of
Speaker:this conspiracy. And
Speaker:an example from Martinique, uh, the French government abolished
Speaker:slavery in April of
Speaker:1848. That was to go into
Speaker:effect two months later in
Speaker:June. But a massive slave uprising in
Speaker:May brought slavery to an end one month
Speaker:earlier than planned. And women were pretty active
Speaker:in that uprising.
Speaker:>> Unidentified (Podcast Host): The struggle for freedom in the Caribbean was not only
Speaker:fought in open revolts. It was fault in
Speaker:whispers between enslaved women passing
Speaker:crucial intelligence. It was fold in
Speaker:spiritual traditions that gave communities
Speaker:strength. And it was fold over the very
Speaker:bodies of the women who bore the next
Speaker:generation. As we
Speaker:conclude this episode, we are constantly
Speaker:reminded that history has often erased the names
Speaker:of women. Yet their resistance
Speaker:shaped the course of rebellion. From
Speaker:Syntostatius to Haiti, from Jamaica to
Speaker:Suriname. Um, they found ways to reclaim power,
Speaker:whether through armed uprising, economic
Speaker:sabotage, or quiet defiance.
Speaker:But as the uprisings of the early 19th
Speaker:century paved the way for abolition, what
Speaker:did freedom truly mean?
Speaker:Did emancipation bring justice?
Speaker:Or did it simply replace one form of control
Speaker:with another? For those
Speaker:who had endured generations of enslavement,
Speaker:what came next?
Speaker:Could they claim true liberation? Or did
Speaker:they find themselves in a world still designed to keep them
Speaker:bound? And if their
Speaker:struggle still echoes in the present,
Speaker:if the systems that oppress them left behind
Speaker:shadows, then what
Speaker:revolutions remain unfinished?
Speaker:And who amongst us is willing to continue
Speaker:the fight?