Hello, listener. This is DynoWright.
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Today we present our original two part
episode on Do the Right Thing.
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The 1989 classic spike Lee film.
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As you should well know.
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Fight the Power by Public Enemy.
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Features prominently in the film,
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and if you're listening to this
or watching this in mid April of 2024,
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you should know that Chuck D from Public
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Enemy will be in conversation
with our man, DJ ARM 18,
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Andrew McIntosh, on April 16th
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at Northampton Community College.
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Information on that event
is at Northampton.edu.
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Your HH emcees JB, BooGie,
and me DynoWright will be there.
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So come hang with us.
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Part two follows immediately after part
one of this episode.
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Thanks for listening. Yo!
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Bring it!
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C’mon!
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Welcome to Hip Hop Movie Club where three
old heads put their old heads together.
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The vibe on some of the most memorable
or forgettable hip hop theme
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movies of all time.
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And here's M.C.
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with your HMCs Boogie.
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JB and Dino right?
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Come on.
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Season three, episode
one Do the Right Thing
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part one.
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We packed so much into this discussion
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that part two will be out next week.
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Written,
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directed and produced by spike
Lee, released in:
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and featuring a cavalcade of stars
and up and comers who became superstars.
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In this episode, we'll answer the question
is this movie as vital
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and important as ever?
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Do the Right Thing depicts 24 hours
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of the hottest day of the year
in the Bedford-Stuyvesant section.
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Brooklyn,
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its historically black section
of the borough, with exceptions
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such as the Korean convenience
store and Sal's Pizzeria,
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which has been situated there for the past
25 years.
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Sal's pizzeria is the epicenter of rising
racial tensions between young black men
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in Bed-Stuy and Sal and his sons, Vito
and Pino, while Vito is more open minded.
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Pino hates interacting
with the neighborhood residents,
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primarily based on their skin
color and cultural norms.
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Mookie is a black pizza delivery man
working for Sal for a few years
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and dealing with the racial epithets
and trying to find a balance
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between earning a living as hostile work
environment,
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maintaining his relationship
with his girlfriend and son,
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and dealing with his friends
who have far less patience for racism.
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Underlying racial tensions come to a head
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on this sweltering day,
with tragic results.
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Like one
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on one black and.
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So, Boogie, you want to kick us off
on, your view of do the right thing?
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Yeah.
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So Do the Right Thing is a classic spike
Lee movie.
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It's one of those movies
that is meant to facilitate discussion.
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talks on a lot of poignant topics
that still exist to this day.
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So that's one of the things
that I've always appreciated about spike.
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He was never afraid to, he's never afraid
to put his views out on film.
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But I saw this movie
for the first time in middle school.
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You know, one of our teachers
got special permission to show it to us.
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And, you know, it facilitated
some discussion and got us thinking.
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And it touched on a lot of things that,
we saw in our neighborhood because it
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pretty much mirrored the Bed-Stuy,
neighborhood and do the right thing.
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But the first thing that really popped out
for me was the intro,
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my favorite song from my favorite hip hop
group of all time, Fight the Power.
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Like instant classic.
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We are introduced to Rosie Perez,
as you know, dancing
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through the intro, just kind of getting
ready for what was to come.
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every time I see that Detroit,
it just gives me chills because it's
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such a great call to basically fight
the power, as the chorus says.
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I mean, we got some classic interactions
between,
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the late Ossie Davis and Ruby Dee.
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The chemistry between them
is undeniable, of course, but
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it spills over really well into the movie
as they play off of one another.
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One of my favorite actors of all time
is actually, do the right thing.
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Giancarlo Esposito, who plays bugging out.
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This guy is so versatile.
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He plays in a lot of shows and movies.
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In any role that I see.
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I mean, he steals the show.
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He's a he's a great, phenomenal actor.
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and then there's another list of up
and comers
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and people that, if you see them now,
they're like big A-listers.
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So I mean, I think the movie
is a really good one by spike Lee.
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Like I said in it's very enjoyable
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for me because like I said, it
facilitates discussion.
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Anyone who watches the movie
definitely has to get something out of it.
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You can watch the movie and walk away
from it, not feeling anything.
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You're going to feel something.
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And I think that's what
I probably appreciate the most about it.
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It makes you think.
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Yeah, good analysis there.
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It it makes your blood boil
because of all the racism that's depicted.
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It's sickening because
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we all trying to get along well,
trying to get along society.
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And you see just hatred
that's deep seated.
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just to piggyback off of your comments.
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Fight the power is amazing.
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I love that song is played
throughout with Radio Raheem.
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That's the only song
he really plays on his boombox.
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I was watching some of the bonus features
with this, and Chuck D
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was contacted by spike
Lee to create an anthem for this movie.
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So he knew about the script,
he knew what was all about,
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and Chuck D was like,
all right, you need an anthem.
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And he put together a few verses, and
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I think spike Lee was the first cut.
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Wasn't good.
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He sent it back
and it wasn't even called Fight the Power.
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And what he did eventually get
was what you hear in the movie.
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And it's funny,
you never hear the full song
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because it wasn't
even complete at that time.
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So they put snippets of the song in there,
and it was super powerful.
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And then Chuck D and the rest of Public
Enemy completed that song.
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Amazing anthem
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introduction of Rosie Perez, I believe was
Martin Lawrence's first movie as well.
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Yeah, we'll get into a lot of the other
actors and actresses, but
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Sam Jackson,
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before he became Samuel L Jackson as Love
Daddy, the radio DJ was was awesome.
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He was like, objective observer.
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He's a DJ talking to the to the town,
seeing everything that goes on.
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And he's a cool character as he always is.
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And then there's
so many other great characters in here.
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One of the thing
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you mentioned, Ossie Davis and Ruby Dee,
who had been married in real life.
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the funny thing with that is he plays
this character called The mayor.
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Bit of a town drunk, but he's he's wise.
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He has a scene where he saves a boy
from getting hit by a car.
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And Ossie
Davis mentioned, in one of the interviews.
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But is that the relationship
you had with Ruby Dee,
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who plays mother sister
who watches over the neighborhood?
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It paralleled
almost a relationship in real life.
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Not that he was in town drunk,
but he said that she looked down on him
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a little bit early on in the relationship,
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like she didn't really have trust in him
and and see his virtue.
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And then she,
she kind of grew to love him.
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So I thought that was really a nice touch
that spike had bringing them into the
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into the film together.
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Yeah. Very nice. Yeah.
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All right.
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What are your, initial impressions?
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I had never seen this before, which is
crazy to think all these years later
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I hadn't seen it, but it's really
it really is fresh and relevant now.
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And I think important for me
to see a movie like this.
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But the beginning, when it's
more of a feel good kind of comedy,
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it's really funny.
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There's a Jerry curl alert. That.
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You're that you want to talk about someone
was cleaner than the Board of Health.
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Like, this is really funny stuff,
and I'm so glad I got to see this.
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And we love Robin Harris.
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If you've listened
to any of our episodes, yes,
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you'll see that he has some great lines.
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If Tyson dreamed of my ass,
you'd better wake up and apologize.
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You're $0.30 away from having a quarter
the holes out of donuts like,
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man, if he
had lived, he would have been a mega star.
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Absolutely.
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And it's kind of also funny to see that.
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His. Name in the movie.
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I don't know if I should even repeat it,
but name the movies over.
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Is so raunchy. It's electric, Willie.
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I mean, these.
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People will say
slick. Slick, they. Really.
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There's two
phallic references in this thing.
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So just one, but two.
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yeah.
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His dialog is one of the three corner men,
as they call it.
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Yeah, Coconut City and MLW.
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Now, those guys are great.
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I mean, I could listen to an entire it's
almost like a barbershop routine.
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Yeah, just sitting on the corner
and they're just.
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They're just.
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Shooting the breeze
and talking about pertinent topics though.
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But it's like kind of like, oh man.
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And they're jealous of
of the Korean convenience store.
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It's like, oh,
these people just got off the boat
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and they have a store
within the past year,
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and they're going back and forth saying,
that's not fair, but
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it's because we're black and
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Robin has the characters like,
knock it the heck off.
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You always say how these big dreams
where's, you know,
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go get a job, dude, do this.
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I can give you money.
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And he's like, It's
Miller time, I'm out of here.
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You know, it's. Kind of low level setting.
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These guys, from just just complaining
about their their lot in life.
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But it's so funny because even, like,
in that conversation, you know,
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there's humor to those conversations,
but there's also some truth to it as well.
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as you know, a lot of documentation
is becoming public now.
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We are realizing that there actually
was some redlining that did occur
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in African-American communities and also
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where banks, made it hard or,
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you know, they denied to get loans
or made it impossible or hard
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to get those loans to open businesses
and neighborhoods, whereas
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even though they're considered
an immigrant coming from another country,
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you know,
you do have the Chinese and the Koreans
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that will come over
and they're able to get those businesses.
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Like I said,
I've seen it in my own neighborhood.
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there's been a couple of shops and stores
that have open in any neighborhood,
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whereas people that live
there aren't able to.
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Or if they do get one,
it doesn't stay open that long.
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So I mean, there's spike taking the scene.
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Put some humor to it, but put a little bit
of truth in there as well.
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Yeah, I think this movie was a great mix
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of real hardcore,
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real talk racism.
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But again, there was some comedic,
definitely some comedic aspects of it.
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I mean, I like the dialog.
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I'm a huge sports fan,
so even like the little I love this Spike
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Lee's where the Jackie Robinson jersey,
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which is also symbolic,
breaking the color barrier in baseball.
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But there's also the commentary
where they're going back
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and forth, who's a better pitcher
under Roger Clemens?
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And that's awesome.
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That was a huge debate in the mid
in the mid 80s and late, late 80s.
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There was just some
some really good dialog and
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the stuff about
Mike Tyson that you mentioned earlier.
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Right. And that was great.
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And then, like Mike Tyson.
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But the.
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The whole cinematography
was great to the closeups.
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This the slow motion scene
when you have the white cops
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roll up and it's like, you know,
what a waste.
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It was so powerful.
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Again, it's the hottest day of the year.
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You can you can almost feel the heat
through the screen.
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They use.
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You see the folks sweating.
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You see the almost like red hues.
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now what's very intentionally right,
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the red hues to me, that warmth.
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and I was watching the extra scenes.
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You know,
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they filmed this over, like a ten week
period right there in Bed-Stuy,
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which is great that they filmed it
right there.
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It wouldn't have come off as authentic.
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It was filmed, like on a Hollywood set.
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there was like a
one week where they said that rain street,
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it rained the entire week,
but they had to stay on schedule.
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So even though it's raining, they,
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they they did the lighting in such a way
that it looked bright and sunny.
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So they had to do,
some extra special effects.
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There.
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So the way that was shot, a close ups,
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you get that feeling.
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You see Rosie Perez,
you know, dunking her head in the
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in the water to cool off.
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even the the romantic ice cubes scene.
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yeah, it was like that.
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I mean, it's just like you can feel that
heat and again, that the trip that added
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to the racial tensions
that we see throughout the film.
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Yeah, yeah.
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There's cinema. Like you said,
the cinematography was spot on.
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I mean, spike is
a master of his craft. And,
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you know,
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he shoots the way he has the movie shot,
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those, those effects
that he has has on his films.
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It just gives you
a feeling of actually being there,
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and it kind of enhances
a lot of the dialog or, you know,
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whatever's happening, he just kind of
pulls it out a little bit more.
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I definitely appreciate his movies,
though.
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Yeah.
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Shout out to Eric Ernest Dickerson, Eric.
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Dickerson.
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Not Eric Dickerson, says the Ernest
Dickerson, the director of photography.
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Yeah, this is a character.
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You get to meet a lot of different
characters, like bugging out.
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Obviously
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he's got a vendetta.
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He wants.
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He's really dead set.
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That cell should have photos
of black people on his quote unquote
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wall of fame, you know, and they're all
just Italian-Americans. And,
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that's one thing.
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there's,
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again, a lot of different cultural groups
in there.
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There's the Korean storeowners, and
a lot of people are just nasty to them.
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You know, maybe it's out of jealousy,
it's out of hatred.
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Then there's the Latino group,
and then there was the scene
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where, you know, there's the boombox,
Radio Raheem, his boombox, and,
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almost like the salsa music.
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And there's,
like, battling back and forth.
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So it's shows the whole different mix
and everybody's
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got their own,
you know, viewpoint and prejudices.
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And again, on the hottest day of the year,
it all bubbles up at the end,
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right?
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You know.
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So I wanted to kind of like maybe debate
a couple topics here.
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Does Buggin Out
have an actual point in that Sal
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should have photos of black people
on the wall in his pizzeria?
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what do you guys think
wants to jump in there?
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Yeah, I think I see both sides of it.
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I think that, in a sense, broken out
does have a point.
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You know, Sal's Famous
pizzeria is in the middle of Bed-Stuy.
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you know, the people that frequent his
his pizzeria
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shop are, you know, black people.
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So, I mean, I kind of see what Buggin Out
is coming from the.
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Hey, you know,
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you're making money off of us, you know,
why can't we have some people that look
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like us?
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I want a wall.
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But on the flip side of it,
I also see Sal's point.
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You know, it's his establishment.
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You know, he's worked hard to.
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As you said.
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He built it with his hands
from the ground up, you know.
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So he's proud of
you know what he's establishing?
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He wants to honor,
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you know, the people that have come before
him or the people that he, you know,
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he he, he's entertained
by or look up to. So,
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I mean, this is wall in his building,
I think, you know,
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at the same time he should have the same
who goes on his wall.
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So, I mean,
I think it's Buggin Out was a little
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it was a very radical in a
in his approach.
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But on the flip side, like,
you know, Sal was
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he was a little irritable
and a little agitated as well.
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So it's kind of one of those things,
you know, I see both sides of it
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done. All right.
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What do you think? Well,
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I get Sal's point
and I get buggin outs point.
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But buggin now could just go to
a different pizza place and, I don't know,
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I mean, Bed-Stuy is not that small.
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Like,
there's other pizza places, aren't there?
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But like 51% with Sal, like it
says, pizza place,
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you can do whatever he wants with it
since you can go if you go somewhere else.
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I mean, maybe the pizza isn't as good
somewhere else, which is the
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which is the problem for,
for for for bugging out.
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But probably the best business sense
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was for South to put some pictures
of black people on there
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because it makes your customers happy,
then you know you,
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you'll get more money
and more business out of it.
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I'm with you guys.
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Sal's not obligated to put any pictures.
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He doesn't want to. On the wall.
It's his restaurant.
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It's a private business.
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Well, he worked things out in the public,
but it's not like.
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It's not like a publicly stockholder
shares, you know?
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So he owns a business.
He can do what he wants to do.
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however, like you said,
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it's it's approach.
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It's a whole approach.
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bugging out was
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a little bit too demanding,
but then again, there's no reason for Sal
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to shout at him, call him a chill maker,
come out with a baseball bat.
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It's like, oh, yeah,
all right, now you're escalating it right?
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You're you're,
it's becoming incendiary right now
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because now you're you're being offended
that he's even asking that.
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And now you're bringing a baseball bat.
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So they both they both were in the wrong.
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I mean, I tried to put myself in
Sal's shoes.
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If I had a specific restaurant
over that ethnicity,
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and if someone asked that, I would try
to diffuse the situation and just say,
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even if even if you're you're
somewhat sugarcoating, like,
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I'll take that into consideration. Know
something like that.
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Not like you troublemaker.
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You start cussing
and bring out a baseball bat.
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It's like, I understand your point, but
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it's not going to happen.
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Or I'll think about it even if you want.
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You know, there's there's
definitely other ways to handle it.
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Yeah.
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Like he probably could have said, hey,
you know, all right, how about you give me
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five people
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who you think might might be up there
and and I'll think about putting them up.
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Something like that. Right.
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Yeah. That's a solution. Not just.
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Right. Throwing grenades. Right.
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How about put rookie's picture up
there as an employee of the month?
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How about that. Right.
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Yeah I think Sal,
would you, propose to that?
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You know, what's
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ironic is John Carlo Esposito,
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who who plays the role of Buggin Out,
he's half black, half Italian.
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I mean. This is pretty funny.
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Is it pretty funny that he, he,
you know, he's he has the he's causing
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the big divide and,
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and, he,
he actually has the heritage of both.
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He actually mentioned one interview.
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I said he didn't really fit in
in real life.
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He didn't really fit in with the Italian
crowd because they really look at them.
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But again,
he didn't fit in with the black crowd
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because his name is John Carlos
Zito, right?
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He actually got along with a lot of Jewish
folks that were like his best friends.
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It's just ironic.
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but he said that in an interview
that I, that I saw so
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and just to talk about Giancarlo,
like I said, versatile roles.
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He played gusts in Breaking Bad
that people may know him from.
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And in Mandalore, he's played a big role
in The Mandalorian Live, which is good,
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and tons and tons of movies,
so he's super talented.
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I watched him mostly in homicide
those two years he was on Homicide
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Life on the Street. Nice.
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Right,
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great.
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Three.
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Three.
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Three. Three.
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Three.
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Other debate topic
I want to bring up this Sal.
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Right.
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Would you consider
Sal a racist? Yes or no?
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And why do you think Boogie.
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Yeah, I would consider him racist,
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but I wouldn't consider him
like overtly racist.
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I think what might make Sal racist
is not necessarily him as a person,
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but just the indoctrination of what
he's been taught or how he was raised.
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But he actually was very toned down, like
he he spoke to some people with respect.
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And even when, when the mayor came in
and asked if he needed some work done,
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he, you know, gave him a broom
and gave him some pay,
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let him go outside the front of the store.
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You know,
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Jade will come by and he you know, he
would have lengthy conversations with her
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even to a certain extent with Mookie.
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Like he didn't
he wasn't overtly racist towards Mookie.
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That was just a a manager
employee dynamics between the two of them,
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you know, like he didn't,
you know, say much about Mookie
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that was could be considered,
you know, racially offensive.
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It was more so like, hey, do your job
or are you are you being late?
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Are you hanging out?
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Are you playing around?
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Like most managers
would ask employees about
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if they would go on for a while
and came back, you know, or
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they had a tendency to to wander off or,
you know, things like that. So,
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I don't think he was
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overtly racist,
but I think towards the end,
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when the bugging out in Radio
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Raheem situation escalated, now,
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was that word thrown out in anger,
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or was that word thrown out because that's
how you always felt about them?
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You don't really know,
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you know.
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So certain situations.
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What do you think? Done it right.
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So Sal. Racist.
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Yes. But the the thing that helped me
sort of thing through this,
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I don't know if you've read, How
to Be an Anti-Racist by Ibram X Candy,
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so I'm oversimplifying it,
but it basically says either you're racist
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or anti-racist
moment to moment, action to action.
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And so if you're not actually
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doing something anti-racist,
then you're being racist.
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So because definition of racism
is one of either actively confronting
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racial inequality or allowing it
to exist by action or inaction.
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So when
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Sal gives a broom to the mayor
and it's the money to
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to sweep up the front, he's
being anti-racist.
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But when and now it's getting in its face,
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and then sells you the N-word,
now he's being racist.
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And so it's useful for me
to have this lens to answer this question
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about whether Sal's a racist.
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And so the short answer is, yes,
but he's pushed towards it more at the end
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when the aggravation continues
and he does racist things.
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That's a good viewpoint.
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for me, Sal definitely is a racist.
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And you can tell by some of the language
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he uses, some speak,
and he may not be quite as overt.
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I mean, in the beginning of the movies,
I'm going to hurt somebody today.
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All right?
460
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Okay. Wait.
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Why are you going to hurt someone? Right?
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You're already having a bad day also.
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And I saw spike.
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Spike Lee actually helped me
kind of decipher this a little bit further
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when he was asked a question like. This.
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He said, these,
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these people,
these people grew up on my pizza shop.
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These
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like, it's it it's a very degrading term
just to kind of classify someone as,
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you know, these people like almost like
they're lower class because they're black.
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Yeah. Other.
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Right, right.
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These people and also,
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Pino has one son, played by John Turturro.
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Super racist.
476
00:23:02,250 --> 00:23:05,166
Using the N-word was like, this is like,
this is like planet of the apes.
477
00:23:05,166 --> 00:23:08,125
This is ridiculous.
I hate this. He's always used the N-word.
478
00:23:08,125 --> 00:23:10,791
He's nasty to monkey.
479
00:23:10,791 --> 00:23:12,750
again, that doesn't come out of thin air.
480
00:23:12,750 --> 00:23:16,458
It's most like, ingrained
by by his father, even though his brother
481
00:23:16,458 --> 00:23:19,458
Vito, much more open minded,
482
00:23:19,791 --> 00:23:21,208
was cool with Mookie.
483
00:23:21,208 --> 00:23:24,625
I don't think he uttered a racist remark.
484
00:23:24,875 --> 00:23:29,250
He was actually trying to come,
you know, to get Pino to see the light
485
00:23:30,041 --> 00:23:31,333
that we should all be equal.
486
00:23:31,333 --> 00:23:32,375
But yeah. No, I think,
487
00:23:33,625 --> 00:23:36,333
Sal, played by Danny Aiello,
488
00:23:36,333 --> 00:23:37,750
was definitely racist.
489
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:41,083
And again, it comes out like,
is it like you said, Danny?
490
00:23:41,083 --> 00:23:41,250
Right.
491
00:23:41,250 --> 00:23:45,708
It's like you're either racist
or anti-racist and if something escalate
492
00:23:45,708 --> 00:23:48,000
and then it comes out, I was like,
all right, this was in there.
493
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,250
This was this was this.
494
00:23:49,250 --> 00:23:51,375
You may have tried to bottle up
a little bit, but,
495
00:23:51,375 --> 00:23:52,666
you know, that's that's the way you are.
496
00:23:52,666 --> 00:23:55,666
So I mean that that's my thought on it.
497
00:23:55,791 --> 00:23:58,791
Right.
498
00:23:58,916 --> 00:24:01,916
Okay.
499
00:24:04,625 --> 00:24:07,041
What do we think
of Radio Rahim's character?
500
00:24:07,041 --> 00:24:10,333
So if you guys all recall the movie
listeners
501
00:24:10,333 --> 00:24:13,333
here, I mean, he's this big, hulking guy.
502
00:24:13,458 --> 00:24:17,500
And primarily
he's just holding his boombox,
503
00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:21,208
blasting Public Enemy's Fight the Power
that's in it and just super loud.
504
00:24:21,208 --> 00:24:25,333
And even when he goes in every store,
he does have that one little soliloquy
505
00:24:25,333 --> 00:24:28,708
where he has love and hate on his,
forefinger rings
506
00:24:28,916 --> 00:24:30,916
and he has,
you know, talks about it like that. But
507
00:24:31,916 --> 00:24:33,375
what do you guys make of his character?
508
00:24:33,375 --> 00:24:36,041
Was he was he educated? Not educated?
509
00:24:36,041 --> 00:24:37,250
You have a point.
510
00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:40,333
You know, unfortunately, he was a tragedy,
511
00:24:40,625 --> 00:24:43,625
you know, killed by the police brutality
at the end there.
512
00:24:43,833 --> 00:24:44,708
What's your take on it?
513
00:24:44,708 --> 00:24:47,250
Right. For him?
I couldn't get a good read on him.
514
00:24:47,250 --> 00:24:50,750
Yeah, that's a good question
because so many times as I've watched
515
00:24:51,416 --> 00:24:56,333
the movie,
I've never really given that much thought.
516
00:24:58,208 --> 00:25:02,166
but I think that Radio Raheem
was a polarizing character
517
00:25:02,166 --> 00:25:05,875
in the community
because everybody knew who he was.
518
00:25:06,333 --> 00:25:09,750
And and it was not necessarily
because of what came out of his mouth,
519
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:12,750
but it was because he always walked around
with a radio.
520
00:25:12,750 --> 00:25:14,916
In this instance,
he was playing Fake the Power.
521
00:25:14,916 --> 00:25:16,375
But, you know,
522
00:25:16,375 --> 00:25:20,250
he probably played other music as well
on other days or other occasions. But
523
00:25:21,208 --> 00:25:22,708
I think that the fact that everybody knew
524
00:25:22,708 --> 00:25:27,000
who he was, he was like a larger than life
character in the neighborhood.
525
00:25:27,333 --> 00:25:30,833
They never really gave any information
about any type of occupation
526
00:25:30,833 --> 00:25:31,875
or anything that he did.
527
00:25:31,875 --> 00:25:36,083
So we don't know whether he, you know,
worked or not or what
528
00:25:36,083 --> 00:25:39,625
he did or what his likes and dislikes
were other than the radio,
529
00:25:40,333 --> 00:25:42,625
which is which is kind of ironic, but
530
00:25:42,625 --> 00:25:47,250
I think that he did have some issues
just based off
531
00:25:47,250 --> 00:25:52,041
of how he interacted with the Koreans
when he needed to, to buy some batteries.
532
00:25:53,125 --> 00:25:56,125
You know, there was some, some extreme,
533
00:25:56,958 --> 00:25:59,166
rudeness,
534
00:25:59,166 --> 00:26:00,625
lack of better word.
535
00:26:00,625 --> 00:26:03,333
But he was very, very,
536
00:26:03,333 --> 00:26:05,916
out of pocket with them.
537
00:26:05,916 --> 00:26:09,750
And I would never talked to anyone
like that.
538
00:26:09,750 --> 00:26:14,458
And, you know, they're trying to help you
whether you you like them or not.
539
00:26:14,458 --> 00:26:16,541
I mean, you're in their business
trying to,
540
00:26:16,541 --> 00:26:18,208
you know, purchase
some batteries from them.
541
00:26:18,208 --> 00:26:23,208
Like, there's don't need to belittle
anyone in the customer service industry.
542
00:26:23,208 --> 00:26:26,666
So anytime I see stuff like that,
I cringe a little bit.
543
00:26:27,041 --> 00:26:30,291
So in that aspect,
I didn't really like him in that instance,
544
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:32,750
the whole scene
545
00:26:32,750 --> 00:26:35,750
with him and bugging out, confronting Sal.
546
00:26:36,541 --> 00:26:40,416
I don't know if you necessarily agree
with bugging out or if he was just there
547
00:26:41,666 --> 00:26:43,458
just to egg him on or
548
00:26:43,458 --> 00:26:49,375
or what he his role was there was because
it was primarily bugging out idea
549
00:26:49,375 --> 00:26:52,708
to go there to confront Sal, but
he's just kind of, you know, tagged along.
550
00:26:53,458 --> 00:26:56,458
Maybe he had those feelings on
you don't really know.
551
00:26:56,958 --> 00:27:01,458
But, you know, unfortunately,
it goes to show sometimes it's it's better
552
00:27:01,458 --> 00:27:04,666
to not follow blindly into a situation
553
00:27:04,666 --> 00:27:08,000
because sometimes there's
tragic results in them.
554
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,125
And it's just he lost his life,
unfortunately.
555
00:27:11,125 --> 00:27:14,458
But yeah, like I said,
I've been trying to figure out
556
00:27:14,583 --> 00:27:17,333
can't really necessarily
clear pinpoint on him.
557
00:27:17,333 --> 00:27:20,333
so, you know,
I'm open to your feelings on it as well.
558
00:27:20,666 --> 00:27:20,875
Yeah.
559
00:27:20,875 --> 00:27:24,750
I mean, for me,
he was a little bit militant, actually.
560
00:27:24,750 --> 00:27:27,000
Right. In my opinion.
561
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,333
And when Buggin Out approached him,
you know, let's boycott Sal's
562
00:27:30,333 --> 00:27:34,000
because, again, he doesn't have
the pictures of black people on the wall.
563
00:27:34,458 --> 00:27:36,000
I think he was happy to join the cause.
564
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,250
He was overtly, I guess, trying to impose
565
00:27:39,250 --> 00:27:42,375
his culture,
onto others with the music and
566
00:27:44,333 --> 00:27:46,625
super disrespectful to the Korean,
567
00:27:46,625 --> 00:27:49,041
you know, dropping the mfa's
and this and that.
568
00:27:49,041 --> 00:27:50,416
I don't know,
maybe he was kind of a lost soul,
569
00:27:50,416 --> 00:27:53,916
looking to latch onto something
and then bugging out gave him the right.
570
00:27:53,916 --> 00:27:56,750
So I think that's what I'm there.
571
00:27:56,750 --> 00:27:59,750
Kind of like maybe he was a little bit
wayward in the winter there.
572
00:27:59,750 --> 00:28:02,541
He latched on to
what bugging out was talking about.
573
00:28:02,541 --> 00:28:05,250
He's the one that, you know,
in that confrontation, he pulled
574
00:28:05,250 --> 00:28:08,458
Sal over the counter
and started attacking him.
575
00:28:08,833 --> 00:28:11,875
You know, after, obviously, Sal destroyed
576
00:28:11,875 --> 00:28:14,875
his boombox, you know, with multiple hits
with the baseball bat.
577
00:28:15,208 --> 00:28:18,250
So, yeah, I mean, spike
Lee mentioned something in interview
578
00:28:18,250 --> 00:28:20,125
too, is like,
there were a lot of people like that.
579
00:28:20,125 --> 00:28:21,416
This is how it was in Bed-Stuy.
580
00:28:21,416 --> 00:28:23,333
There were people walking around
with Boombox Loud,
581
00:28:23,333 --> 00:28:27,833
and they were just listening to it,
and it was frowned upon by a lot of these,
582
00:28:29,083 --> 00:28:30,000
old school folks.
583
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,000
So it was definitely a source of conflict.
584
00:28:33,583 --> 00:28:35,000
I mean, that's my take. There.
585
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,333
It. Right.
You have anything to add on Radio Raheem?
586
00:28:37,333 --> 00:28:37,583
Yeah.
587
00:28:37,583 --> 00:28:41,458
So I think Radio Raheem is my least
favorite part of the movie.
588
00:28:43,458 --> 00:28:47,458
I felt like there was not enough character
development with him.
589
00:28:47,916 --> 00:28:48,958
Maybe that was the point.
590
00:28:48,958 --> 00:28:53,041
Maybe the point was there
are these characters in any in any block.
591
00:28:53,541 --> 00:28:58,541
And that's the point of this is a person
with a boombox that plays music really
592
00:28:58,541 --> 00:29:00,083
loud, is very literal
593
00:29:00,083 --> 00:29:03,750
and visceral, that it's fight
the power coming out of his his boombox
594
00:29:04,250 --> 00:29:09,500
and confronting Sal as if hip hop himself
was loudly demanding to be heard.
595
00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:11,416
You know, this is 1989.
596
00:29:11,416 --> 00:29:15,291
Still, hip hop is not is still young man.
597
00:29:16,083 --> 00:29:19,416
But aside from the love and hate soliloquy
he has, like,
598
00:29:19,416 --> 00:29:22,833
we don't really know anything about Radio
Raheem other than he's really big.
599
00:29:23,125 --> 00:29:26,125
You got a giant boombox
that's like proportional to its size,
600
00:29:26,541 --> 00:29:28,791
and it's cause
the rent walks around his boombox all day.
601
00:29:28,791 --> 00:29:29,791
We don't know what he does like.
602
00:29:29,791 --> 00:29:31,541
We don't know what his motivations.
603
00:29:31,541 --> 00:29:35,416
He's he's mean to the
the convenience store owner is like,
604
00:29:35,416 --> 00:29:36,291
what was this all about?
605
00:29:36,291 --> 00:29:40,166
And then for him to die at the end
is like the, the great tragedy of the end.
606
00:29:40,166 --> 00:29:40,958
I wasn't quite sure.
607
00:29:40,958 --> 00:29:44,666
Like what there is a message
here in the entire movie,
608
00:29:44,958 --> 00:29:48,208
but we didn't know enough about radio him
to care whether he died or not.
609
00:29:48,208 --> 00:29:48,916
I mean, we do care
610
00:29:48,916 --> 00:29:52,916
because he's because of the way he died,
but like the person himself.
611
00:29:52,916 --> 00:29:55,916
What's the real part of the tragedy
that he died.
612
00:29:56,375 --> 00:29:58,708
Right. So I was struggling with that.
613
00:29:58,708 --> 00:30:00,458
We didn't know enough about Radio Raheem.
614
00:30:00,458 --> 00:30:04,583
Maybe we're supposed to, but I felt,
you know, had this movie been maybe
615
00:30:04,583 --> 00:30:10,041
15 minutes longer, we could have, like,
really known the deeper tragedy of this.
616
00:30:10,041 --> 00:30:15,208
But, you know, let me let me flash forward
to just a couple years ago
617
00:30:15,375 --> 00:30:18,375
with George Floyd, right,
to get a little bit deeper.
618
00:30:18,791 --> 00:30:21,250
It doesn't make it,
you know, just because Radio
619
00:30:21,250 --> 00:30:24,333
Raheem may have not been
a super upstanding citizen.
620
00:30:24,333 --> 00:30:27,000
Right?
The life is still super valuable, right?
621
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,416
I see a lot of people trying to nitpick
George Floyd, you know, his character.
622
00:30:31,458 --> 00:30:33,666
Right.
And I think that's totally wrong. Right.
623
00:30:33,666 --> 00:30:37,458
Because then even if you give a tiny ounce
of justification,
624
00:30:37,583 --> 00:30:39,291
there's no there's no reason at all.
625
00:30:39,291 --> 00:30:43,291
So George Floyd was what was he was like
stealing cigarets or something like that.
626
00:30:43,291 --> 00:30:46,666
It's like, oh,
he had a, criminal record like I.
627
00:30:46,708 --> 00:30:49,041
That really irks me when people start
628
00:30:50,125 --> 00:30:51,375
digging into
629
00:30:51,375 --> 00:30:54,375
these victims of the police brutality.
630
00:30:54,708 --> 00:31:00,000
And so, I mean, how poignant was it
that spike Lee chose Radio Raheem?
631
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,750
So what we don't really know about
632
00:31:01,750 --> 00:31:04,750
and his life is no less
valuable than anybody else.
633
00:31:05,375 --> 00:31:08,291
so, you know,
we shouldn't really be concerned
634
00:31:08,291 --> 00:31:11,333
about really Radio Raheem past.
635
00:31:11,875 --> 00:31:15,416
It was a violent act
that went way too far.
636
00:31:15,416 --> 00:31:17,708
They knew they were choking him
with the nightstick.
637
00:31:17,708 --> 00:31:21,041
And it's a it's a tragedy nonetheless.
638
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:24,500
The tragedy I connected to is Eric Garner.
639
00:31:24,750 --> 00:31:25,375
Yeah.
640
00:31:25,375 --> 00:31:27,000
Because that was in New York.
641
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,041
And that that chokehold. Yeah.
642
00:31:29,041 --> 00:31:31,250
but yeah, like
I think I think that was the point too,
643
00:31:31,250 --> 00:31:34,541
like you said,
that it showed him as a flawed person,
644
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:39,125
you know, throughout the movie,
you know, even when his interaction
645
00:31:39,125 --> 00:31:43,541
with the with the Koreans
and how he, you know, just disregarded
646
00:31:43,541 --> 00:31:46,625
everyone and just blasted his music
whether he wanted to hear it or not,
647
00:31:47,375 --> 00:31:51,333
to show that
despite it all, he was still a person.
648
00:31:51,333 --> 00:31:54,916
And he yeah, he deserved due process that.
649
00:31:54,958 --> 00:31:56,375
He didn't deserve to die. Right?
650
00:31:56,375 --> 00:31:58,958
Not to die on a street by a chokehold.
651
00:31:58,958 --> 00:32:00,291
Yeah, yeah.
652
00:32:01,291 --> 00:32:01,666
That was weird.
653
00:32:01,666 --> 00:32:02,875
Say, ironic.
654
00:32:02,875 --> 00:32:06,666
Lee, the person who played the officer
Rick was Rick Aiello.
655
00:32:06,833 --> 00:32:09,041
Danny Aiello, son.
656
00:32:09,041 --> 00:32:12,041
in real life.
657
00:32:12,208 --> 00:32:14,333
And, I also one of his other sons
658
00:32:14,333 --> 00:32:17,333
was actually a stunt stunt double for him,
I think in the fight scene.
659
00:32:17,375 --> 00:32:17,666
Yeah.
660
00:32:17,666 --> 00:32:20,791
So a couple of Danny Aiello sons
661
00:32:21,208 --> 00:32:24,000
were in it as well,
662
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,000
right?
663
00:32:33,041 --> 00:32:34,000
This debate topic is
664
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,791
what do you think of Sal's interaction
with Jade, Cookie's sister?
665
00:32:38,041 --> 00:32:40,291
Did he really have a crush with her?
666
00:32:40,291 --> 00:32:42,791
Because he was obviously extra sweet
667
00:32:42,791 --> 00:32:45,791
speaking with her,
totally out of his character?
668
00:32:45,958 --> 00:32:47,541
do you think he literally
had a crush on her,
669
00:32:47,541 --> 00:32:49,375
or was he just doing that to dig on
670
00:32:49,375 --> 00:32:52,375
on Mookie,
or what was your take on that whole thing?
671
00:32:53,250 --> 00:32:53,958
Like.
672
00:32:53,958 --> 00:32:56,958
There's there's layers to that,
to that interaction.
673
00:32:57,833 --> 00:32:59,041
I think it might've been
674
00:33:00,083 --> 00:33:03,083
a bit of a bit of both of those.
675
00:33:03,125 --> 00:33:05,875
I think that he actually may have found
676
00:33:05,875 --> 00:33:08,875
Jade to be attractive,
and he might have actually liked her.
677
00:33:09,250 --> 00:33:11,791
she was very pleasant, very respectful.
678
00:33:11,791 --> 00:33:14,333
She seemed like
she had a sweet personality.
679
00:33:14,333 --> 00:33:17,958
She seemed like she took care of Mookie,
despite Mookie being older than her.
680
00:33:18,625 --> 00:33:21,750
And I think even when she interacted
681
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:24,791
with Mookie, I think everyone kind of
knew, you know, Jade's,
682
00:33:25,125 --> 00:33:28,625
you know, relationship with Mookie
is the one that kind of kept him on track
683
00:33:29,250 --> 00:33:30,791
because he was a little wayward,
684
00:33:30,791 --> 00:33:33,375
you know, having a child
that he really took care of
685
00:33:33,375 --> 00:33:38,541
and had a somewhat rocky relationship
with Tina, his, his girlfriend.
686
00:33:38,875 --> 00:33:43,083
So I think that Sal might have saw that
and said, you know what?
687
00:33:43,083 --> 00:33:45,083
She seems like a real sweet person.
688
00:33:45,083 --> 00:33:48,333
You know,
I'm glad to have conversation with her
689
00:33:48,333 --> 00:33:51,333
because she is a nice black girl.
690
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:54,750
Not like any of these other ones
around here, you know.
691
00:33:55,041 --> 00:33:56,791
So that might be part of it.
692
00:33:56,791 --> 00:33:59,208
And he might have also noticed that
693
00:34:00,250 --> 00:34:01,708
Mookie got irritated
694
00:34:01,708 --> 00:34:04,750
by their interactions and said,
you know what?
695
00:34:05,458 --> 00:34:07,375
I know he just irritated by us.
696
00:34:07,375 --> 00:34:09,833
I'm going to jab at him.
697
00:34:09,833 --> 00:34:11,916
Then there's another layer
698
00:34:11,916 --> 00:34:15,708
that spike
probably intended to put in here as well.
699
00:34:15,875 --> 00:34:18,875
More subtle is the fetishism.
700
00:34:19,041 --> 00:34:23,083
You know, there's been instances
throughout history of
701
00:34:24,125 --> 00:34:27,125
the fetishism of black women
702
00:34:27,333 --> 00:34:30,333
too numerous to even document comments,
even go over that,
703
00:34:30,458 --> 00:34:33,791
you know, that just occur
throughout history where we know
704
00:34:33,791 --> 00:34:38,500
black women were substituted to various
degrees of sexual assault, etc..
705
00:34:39,250 --> 00:34:41,708
And I think that
706
00:34:41,708 --> 00:34:46,000
no one spike, he probably was putting that
claim a little bit on that angle,
707
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,958
as well as saying that, you know what,
we know that this guy is racist
708
00:34:51,916 --> 00:34:52,791
in any degree.
709
00:34:52,791 --> 00:34:54,333
He's racist.
710
00:34:54,333 --> 00:34:57,166
You know, here's a here's
a black woman here
711
00:34:57,166 --> 00:34:59,750
who's attractive, and let's kind of
712
00:35:00,958 --> 00:35:01,708
show how he,
713
00:35:01,708 --> 00:35:04,708
you know, even though we know
he doesn't like these people,
714
00:35:05,250 --> 00:35:08,166
if he had a shot, would he take it?
715
00:35:08,166 --> 00:35:12,208
So I think that's kind of my take
on a whole, the whole interaction between
716
00:35:12,208 --> 00:35:16,375
Sal and Jade, I think it was a dynamic
of all those three things combined.
717
00:35:17,541 --> 00:35:18,791
And I like it.
718
00:35:18,791 --> 00:35:20,666
What do you think? Dynamite?
719
00:35:20,666 --> 00:35:21,833
Yeah, I think you got to.
720
00:35:21,833 --> 00:35:22,208
Right.
721
00:35:22,208 --> 00:35:25,125
Sal calls Mookie, like, assigned to him.
722
00:35:25,125 --> 00:35:30,000
And so by extension,
maybe Jade is like a daughter to him.
723
00:35:30,541 --> 00:35:35,000
But you can't ignore, like you
said, Boogie the fetishism and happens
724
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:40,041
and throughout history and these racial
dynamics and and these power dynamics too.
725
00:35:40,041 --> 00:35:42,416
So, I think that's all it's all in there.
726
00:35:42,416 --> 00:35:44,541
And, you know, at that point in the movie,
727
00:35:44,541 --> 00:35:48,625
Sal was still like,
not not totally like off the rails.
728
00:35:48,625 --> 00:35:50,083
And so I think
729
00:35:50,083 --> 00:35:51,666
most of it came from a good place,
730
00:35:51,666 --> 00:35:54,291
but I think some of it
did not come from a good place.
731
00:35:54,291 --> 00:35:58,333
I think Spike's leaving it open
for interpretation intentionally.
732
00:35:58,583 --> 00:36:00,166
I mean, I see Sal's as a racist.
733
00:36:00,166 --> 00:36:04,666
I don't think he, you know,
I don't think he would pursue Jade
734
00:36:04,958 --> 00:36:06,750
in a in a physical way.
735
00:36:06,750 --> 00:36:09,625
However,
I kind of think maybe subliminally
736
00:36:09,625 --> 00:36:12,000
he was taking a dig
at Mookie is like, hey, like I'm
737
00:36:13,333 --> 00:36:15,041
talking to your sister,
738
00:36:15,041 --> 00:36:18,208
and I know that really got monkey's go.
739
00:36:18,208 --> 00:36:22,083
And then, I think that's kind of maybe
what set him off, because I was thinking
740
00:36:22,083 --> 00:36:26,875
in the final scene with the riot
after Radio Raheem was killed,
741
00:36:28,125 --> 00:36:30,083
I was surprised
that Mookie was the one that threw
742
00:36:30,083 --> 00:36:31,833
the trash can through the window.
But again,
743
00:36:31,833 --> 00:36:35,125
I think maybe that was the straw
that broke the camel's back for Mookie.
744
00:36:35,125 --> 00:36:38,125
It was like all right,
I'm putting up with this racial stuff.
745
00:36:39,333 --> 00:36:41,208
Black man was just killed
746
00:36:41,208 --> 00:36:44,333
because of his interaction here
at Sal's South.
747
00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:46,791
So, you know, everything
just kind of boiled over.
748
00:36:46,791 --> 00:36:47,458
Yeah.
749
00:36:47,458 --> 00:36:51,083
and and I think that may have been,
the final straw.
750
00:36:51,416 --> 00:36:52,583
Yeah, that was definitely straw.
751
00:36:52,583 --> 00:36:54,250
That broke the back, though,
752
00:36:55,208 --> 00:36:55,625
because he did.
753
00:36:55,625 --> 00:36:56,916
He didn't even say anything.
754
00:36:56,916 --> 00:37:00,041
He just walked over, didn't say a word.
755
00:37:01,208 --> 00:37:01,666
Yeah.
756
00:37:01,666 --> 00:37:03,875
Just boom boom.
757
00:37:03,875 --> 00:37:05,416
Just set off right there.
758
00:37:05,416 --> 00:37:08,416
Yeah.
759
00:37:17,291 --> 00:37:19,166
It come on.
760
00:37:19,166 --> 00:37:20,000
Do the right thing.
761
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,000
Part two.
762
00:37:23,500 --> 00:37:26,416
When we left off,
we were debating some key questions
763
00:37:26,416 --> 00:37:29,416
in Spike Lee's classic 1989 film, Raised.
764
00:37:32,666 --> 00:37:33,666
Right.
765
00:37:33,666 --> 00:37:38,000
Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa.
766
00:37:39,125 --> 00:37:42,125
And that final debated question
767
00:37:42,208 --> 00:37:46,333
might seem a little outlandish,
but do you think there's any possibility
768
00:37:47,166 --> 00:37:50,791
that Mookie could continue
any formal relationship with Sal
769
00:37:51,166 --> 00:37:54,166
after all the events that occurred?
770
00:37:55,041 --> 00:37:56,125
And you saw how it ended?
771
00:37:56,125 --> 00:37:58,208
He came back for his money.
772
00:37:58,208 --> 00:37:59,291
Boogie came back for his money.
773
00:37:59,291 --> 00:38:01,791
He said, you owe me money.
How much are you? 250.
774
00:38:01,791 --> 00:38:04,916
Sal crumbles up $100 bills,
throws it at him
775
00:38:04,916 --> 00:38:07,041
nasally, shouting, oh, he's rich now!
776
00:38:07,041 --> 00:38:09,000
And cursing left and right.
777
00:38:10,333 --> 00:38:12,958
you know, they have an exchange there.
778
00:38:12,958 --> 00:38:15,958
Do you think they could have any type
of relationship after what happened?
779
00:38:16,083 --> 00:38:17,250
What do you think?
780
00:38:17,250 --> 00:38:18,750
It's a tough one.
781
00:38:18,750 --> 00:38:20,541
Yeah.
782
00:38:20,541 --> 00:38:23,291
Because initially off,
783
00:38:23,291 --> 00:38:26,291
off the top of my head I'm like,
no, it's a done deal
784
00:38:27,291 --> 00:38:30,291
and there's no going back.
785
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:31,166
Yeah.
786
00:38:31,166 --> 00:38:34,833
I don't, I don't,
I don't think that they could
787
00:38:34,833 --> 00:38:38,500
even if Mookie went back to even apologize
788
00:38:39,708 --> 00:38:42,708
like, Sal is very rigid,
789
00:38:43,583 --> 00:38:46,583
like he's old school, rigid.
790
00:38:46,583 --> 00:38:49,958
like he's like the type of person
that will hold a grudge.
791
00:38:50,666 --> 00:38:54,208
You know, I don't think that even
if Mookie apologized, I don't think so.
792
00:38:54,208 --> 00:38:55,583
I would get over it.
793
00:38:55,583 --> 00:38:57,833
And even if you tried,
794
00:38:57,833 --> 00:39:00,416
you know, you got the son
795
00:39:00,416 --> 00:39:00,916
Pino.
796
00:39:00,916 --> 00:39:04,791
That would kind of
just get to the point where, you know,
797
00:39:04,791 --> 00:39:08,000
even if Sal even tried to consider it,
he wouldn't.
798
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,250
It wouldn't happen.
799
00:39:09,250 --> 00:39:11,500
I don't think I think it's it's done.
800
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:13,666
Yeah.
801
00:39:13,666 --> 00:39:15,208
What do you think? All right.
802
00:39:15,208 --> 00:39:19,083
I was frankly surprised they even talk
to each other at the end of the movie.
803
00:39:19,250 --> 00:39:20,666
Right. I wasn't expecting that.
804
00:39:20,666 --> 00:39:21,291
I thought,
805
00:39:21,291 --> 00:39:24,375
you know, most people think
the movie would have ended with the riot,
806
00:39:24,375 --> 00:39:27,250
but I forget who
who wrote this in a review.
807
00:39:27,250 --> 00:39:32,000
But the thing that spike Lee does
is to actually go through the rest of it
808
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,000
and, like, doesn't just leave it there
because there is the next day.
809
00:39:35,958 --> 00:39:39,291
But, I just don't think
Mookie would stand for it.
810
00:39:39,291 --> 00:39:41,791
I don't think Sal would take him back
either.
811
00:39:41,791 --> 00:39:44,791
Yeah, I think it's just too tragic in
812
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,583
time for Mookie to move on
and get a new job.
813
00:39:48,583 --> 00:39:51,583
Maybe if Sal,
814
00:39:52,375 --> 00:39:54,666
get some money from insurance,
as he implied.
815
00:39:54,666 --> 00:39:56,166
Or maybe he's set to retire.
816
00:39:56,166 --> 00:39:59,000
He's getting up there in age,
move off the sunset,
817
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,250
move back to his neighborhood
and start something over there
818
00:40:02,291 --> 00:40:04,125
where I think they were from. Bensonhurst?
819
00:40:04,125 --> 00:40:05,750
Yeah, I don't think so.
820
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:06,291
You never know.
821
00:40:06,291 --> 00:40:08,458
Maybe you fast forward down there years.
822
00:40:08,458 --> 00:40:09,750
Maybe Sal's.
823
00:40:11,541 --> 00:40:12,666
Maybe Sal becomes ill.
824
00:40:12,666 --> 00:40:13,416
His final days.
825
00:40:13,416 --> 00:40:15,250
Maybe he reaches out to Mookie, or movies
like,
826
00:40:15,250 --> 00:40:17,041
shows up for his funeral
or something like that.
827
00:40:17,041 --> 00:40:19,500
You know, I could see something like that,
but I don't think they'd have
828
00:40:19,500 --> 00:40:21,041
any type of relationship.
829
00:40:21,041 --> 00:40:23,125
Yeah, I agree.
830
00:40:23,125 --> 00:40:23,458
Yeah.
831
00:40:23,458 --> 00:40:26,458
I mean, they worked together
for over two years,
832
00:40:27,166 --> 00:40:28,833
but again, it's a hostile environment.
833
00:40:28,833 --> 00:40:31,833
It's not you know, it was kind of like a
834
00:40:31,916 --> 00:40:34,375
it was a sort of a father son
relationship.
835
00:40:34,375 --> 00:40:35,625
Super dysfunctional though.
836
00:40:35,625 --> 00:40:36,791
Yes. Yeah.
837
00:40:36,791 --> 00:40:37,583
Yeah. Yeah.
838
00:40:37,583 --> 00:40:39,875
Super dysfunctional and
839
00:40:39,875 --> 00:40:41,666
other things that want to point out.
840
00:40:41,666 --> 00:40:44,958
Like did you know
there's a lot of like fun trivia here.
841
00:40:45,916 --> 00:40:49,000
Did you guys know that
the movie was originally called Heat Wave?
842
00:40:49,791 --> 00:40:52,458
Yeah, it was called Heat Wave.
843
00:40:52,458 --> 00:40:57,208
And the character smiley
was not originally in the script, was it?
844
00:40:57,208 --> 00:40:59,291
Roger one ver. Yeah.
845
00:40:59,291 --> 00:41:02,458
Roger. Roger G. Smith. Roger Smith. Right.
846
00:41:02,666 --> 00:41:06,291
So I was watching and they were like,
he would just show up at the set like
847
00:41:06,291 --> 00:41:07,541
every day. And he's tall.
848
00:41:08,666 --> 00:41:09,541
He was he was kind of
849
00:41:09,541 --> 00:41:12,708
like saying I telling spike, I want to be
this character, this character.
850
00:41:12,708 --> 00:41:16,833
He started playing the role and he
convinced him and he was an integral part.
851
00:41:16,833 --> 00:41:19,833
I mean, he's
the one that for those listening,
852
00:41:20,750 --> 00:41:23,083
he was the one with
a, you know, this ability.
853
00:41:23,083 --> 00:41:24,416
And he was starring a lot,
854
00:41:24,416 --> 00:41:27,625
selling pictures of Malcolm X and Martin
Luther King Jr for a couple bucks.
855
00:41:27,625 --> 00:41:29,458
He kept bugging people to buy it.
856
00:41:29,458 --> 00:41:32,458
He got involved in that in the scene,
857
00:41:32,500 --> 00:41:34,250
the fight scene and the riot.
858
00:41:34,250 --> 00:41:37,208
He's the one that literally set
the pizzeria on fire.
859
00:41:37,208 --> 00:41:41,125
He lit the match, and then he ends up
posting up the picture on the wall.
860
00:41:41,541 --> 00:41:44,291
So it kind of all came full circle.
861
00:41:44,291 --> 00:41:46,375
But it was interesting
that he was not originally in the script,
862
00:41:46,375 --> 00:41:48,750
and he became an integral
part of the movie. Yeah.
863
00:41:49,916 --> 00:41:51,291
Yeah, I also like that
864
00:41:51,291 --> 00:41:55,083
spike Lee's actual
sister was while Lee plays Jade,
865
00:41:55,125 --> 00:41:58,250
and so that's his actual sister
and you can see the resemblance I like it.
866
00:41:59,125 --> 00:42:01,041
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah.
867
00:42:01,041 --> 00:42:04,416
She's playing she's five appearances
in a few of his films.
868
00:42:04,833 --> 00:42:06,333
Yeah.
869
00:42:06,333 --> 00:42:08,333
And even more of A Family Affair.
870
00:42:08,333 --> 00:42:11,000
Spike's father, Bill Lee, did the music.
871
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,958
like the the score
872
00:42:13,958 --> 00:42:16,041
for the movie here.
873
00:42:16,041 --> 00:42:18,291
And then you see a little like,
as we talk about this actors.
874
00:42:18,291 --> 00:42:22,083
I mean, it's crazy that Samuel L
Jackson was just Sam Jackson at the time,
875
00:42:22,083 --> 00:42:26,458
and one of the earlier films, the DJ,
he did a great job.
876
00:42:26,458 --> 00:42:30,458
And, Richard Edson, who plays Vito and I'm
877
00:42:30,458 --> 00:42:33,291
looking at him, I'm like, where do I know
him from? He's been at a ton of stuff.
878
00:42:33,291 --> 00:42:35,541
He was in platoon.
879
00:42:35,541 --> 00:42:37,416
He was in Good Morning, Vietnam.
880
00:42:38,875 --> 00:42:41,875
The Starsky and Hutch movie remake.
881
00:42:41,875 --> 00:42:45,208
But what was funny to me is and I'm like,
oh, yeah,
882
00:42:45,375 --> 00:42:49,166
he was the crazy valet driver
from Ferris Bueller's
883
00:42:49,166 --> 00:42:52,583
Day Off that took Cameron's
dad's car for a joyride.
884
00:42:53,208 --> 00:42:54,166
like that's him.
885
00:42:54,166 --> 00:42:56,958
Yes. That cut scene in that movie
where they steal
886
00:42:56,958 --> 00:42:59,958
the car like, flying in the air
still makes me laugh.
887
00:43:00,208 --> 00:43:03,208
Oh, man, that.
888
00:43:03,208 --> 00:43:06,333
Classic, classic scene right there. Yes.
889
00:43:08,125 --> 00:43:10,708
And I dug more to Richardson than I did.
890
00:43:10,708 --> 00:43:13,708
You know, he was the original drummer
for Sonic Youth.
891
00:43:14,458 --> 00:43:15,500
I didn't know that.
892
00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:20,166
He was the original drummer for Sonic
Youth, and I'm very musically inclined.
893
00:43:20,166 --> 00:43:24,125
He's done a lot, a lot
in, in the music industry as well as.
894
00:43:25,458 --> 00:43:26,625
As much as I listen to his records.
895
00:43:26,625 --> 00:43:29,083
Anyone knows him. Well. Yeah. It's funny.
896
00:43:29,083 --> 00:43:30,083
I don't know what point me.
897
00:43:30,083 --> 00:43:31,125
I don't know if he was there before.
898
00:43:31,125 --> 00:43:33,166
They, you know,
went a little bit commercial or not,
899
00:43:33,166 --> 00:43:36,541
but he original drummer about that.
900
00:43:37,041 --> 00:43:38,250
Yeah.
901
00:43:38,250 --> 00:43:41,416
You guys, other tidbits,
that you guys came across.
902
00:43:41,958 --> 00:43:42,875
Yeah.
903
00:43:42,875 --> 00:43:44,333
So this is the first movie
904
00:43:44,333 --> 00:43:48,166
that we've reviewed so far that I can tell
that is on the National Film Registry.
905
00:43:48,166 --> 00:43:49,958
So very important.
906
00:43:49,958 --> 00:43:53,250
Somehow breaking
two was not on the National Film Registry.
907
00:43:54,625 --> 00:43:55,625
Just missed.
908
00:43:55,625 --> 00:43:58,416
Missed it by that much.
909
00:43:58,416 --> 00:44:01,416
It's an outrageous omission.
910
00:44:04,083 --> 00:44:04,333
Meant
911
00:44:04,333 --> 00:44:07,416
to look into why there was at least two
Keith Sweat references.
912
00:44:07,916 --> 00:44:09,458
Maybe it's just the sweating part of it.
913
00:44:09,458 --> 00:44:12,458
Maybe that's
because there was a poster of Keith Sweat
914
00:44:12,458 --> 00:44:15,458
in the radio station, and then,
915
00:44:15,583 --> 00:44:17,458
maybe it was the corner men
talking about Keith Sweat,
916
00:44:17,458 --> 00:44:20,458
or someone was talking about Keith
when this movement that.
917
00:44:21,125 --> 00:44:24,125
must have been about the heat.
918
00:44:25,708 --> 00:44:28,583
Those, the corny guys, man,
919
00:44:28,583 --> 00:44:30,958
just have to go off topic,
but the corny guys,
920
00:44:30,958 --> 00:44:33,375
I just think about that,
I think just made me laugh.
921
00:44:33,375 --> 00:44:37,166
Right now, I'm thinking about
how many family cookouts that
922
00:44:37,166 --> 00:44:41,166
I've been to, and I've seen a lot of my,
my my father's cousins,
923
00:44:42,125 --> 00:44:46,041
similar debates in the corn and the cook.
924
00:44:46,916 --> 00:44:49,250
And I'm like, wow, that was so,
925
00:44:49,250 --> 00:44:52,500
so reminiscent of, like, some of those
same conversations that I've heard.
926
00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:54,500
And like,
those guys just have cracking up.
927
00:44:56,041 --> 00:44:59,041
Hey, go grab go grab me a cold one
real quick.
928
00:44:59,125 --> 00:45:01,583
Similarly to go to the cooler
and come back with a cool
929
00:45:01,583 --> 00:45:04,583
when they finish talking.
930
00:45:04,916 --> 00:45:07,166
It's funny because it's true.
931
00:45:07,166 --> 00:45:09,333
Yeah, yeah.
932
00:45:09,333 --> 00:45:09,958
What else?
933
00:45:09,958 --> 00:45:12,833
I was in one of these extra scenes.
934
00:45:12,833 --> 00:45:16,291
There's the one scene where bugging out
gets his Air Jordans run over by the
935
00:45:16,416 --> 00:45:17,291
the biker.
936
00:45:17,291 --> 00:45:18,291
The bicyclist.
937
00:45:18,291 --> 00:45:20,458
Oh, has a Larry Bird jersey on. Right.
938
00:45:20,458 --> 00:45:22,958
So that's again, again, the black and.
939
00:45:22,958 --> 00:45:25,500
White.
Right there. Right. Bird versus Jordan.
940
00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:30,750
And the Celtics
are one of the hated rivals of the Knicks.
941
00:45:31,166 --> 00:45:32,458
And he's like mean I live here.
942
00:45:32,458 --> 00:45:34,208
You know they're going back and forth.
943
00:45:34,208 --> 00:45:37,208
And the guy that played
944
00:45:37,375 --> 00:45:40,375
that bicyclists
he just lived on the block.
945
00:45:40,791 --> 00:45:42,708
And he just happened to be coming home.
946
00:45:42,708 --> 00:45:45,416
And he had a bicycle in his
car. And it kind of worked.
947
00:45:46,708 --> 00:45:47,750
They did it in one take, too.
948
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:49,208
He just rode his bike over, you know?
949
00:45:49,208 --> 00:45:51,791
I guess they scuffed up the shoe
950
00:45:51,791 --> 00:45:54,541
and I was like, wow,
that guy was like a natural.
951
00:45:54,541 --> 00:45:56,125
He even said something.
952
00:45:56,125 --> 00:46:00,500
There was, I guess an urban myth that
Larry Bird actually gave him that jersey.
953
00:46:01,166 --> 00:46:03,708
And then spike Lee
was going back and forth on this 20 year
954
00:46:03,708 --> 00:46:04,791
reunion of the movies.
955
00:46:04,791 --> 00:46:07,791
Like, no, I gave I gave it from wardrobe,
I gave it a present.
956
00:46:08,250 --> 00:46:12,083
And he goes, well, crazy enough,
he's like my sister
957
00:46:13,250 --> 00:46:15,583
dated Larry Bird or something like that.
958
00:46:15,583 --> 00:46:18,208
And so I thought that he gave it to me.
I'm like, what? What is this?
959
00:46:18,208 --> 00:46:20,833
It was so coincidental.
960
00:46:20,833 --> 00:46:23,416
It's kind of wild
that that that'll happen.
961
00:46:23,416 --> 00:46:25,333
It'll just kind of came together and,
962
00:46:26,458 --> 00:46:27,416
you know, filming the scene
963
00:46:27,416 --> 00:46:30,541
and there are a lot of extras, obviously,
and they're all from right there and,
964
00:46:32,291 --> 00:46:35,750
which was a great boon for the, community
there.
965
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:39,166
And I was watching they actually throw
a block party one day. Yes.
966
00:46:40,041 --> 00:46:40,916
They had a big party.
967
00:46:40,916 --> 00:46:43,833
They were giving out hats and shirts
and do the right thing.
968
00:46:43,833 --> 00:46:47,000
And, although spike Lee was there
and all the stars were there,
969
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,541
and it was a really nice thing,
and they had to be extra cautious.
970
00:46:50,541 --> 00:46:54,041
I mean, there was parts of the earlier
that or, you know, not safe.
971
00:46:54,041 --> 00:46:56,000
So I said extra security.
972
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,375
And you know, what's crazy
is there's so much tension in this movie,
973
00:46:59,375 --> 00:47:01,083
the racial tension, racial tension.
974
00:47:01,083 --> 00:47:04,791
I saw the one part
that, Richard Edson, who played Vito,
975
00:47:05,125 --> 00:47:09,625
he said the Nation of Islam
was like security for a good part of this.
976
00:47:09,916 --> 00:47:13,708
He said, I was saying hello to these guys,
like, every day I could not get a
977
00:47:14,250 --> 00:47:15,375
I couldn't get a hello.
978
00:47:15,375 --> 00:47:18,291
They were like so focused the entire the.
979
00:47:19,791 --> 00:47:20,875
The FOIA, the
980
00:47:20,875 --> 00:47:23,875
the FOIA, they they're serious
boots of Islam.
981
00:47:24,125 --> 00:47:28,750
You know, those guys I've seen them
in various instances as well.
982
00:47:28,833 --> 00:47:30,500
You won't get a smile out of them.
983
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:33,375
You know,
they're like military folk, military
984
00:47:33,375 --> 00:47:36,375
like almost focus.
985
00:47:36,750 --> 00:47:40,166
Spike Lee hired a lot of black folks
986
00:47:40,166 --> 00:47:44,708
for a lot of different roles,
different jobs around the film, catering,
987
00:47:45,708 --> 00:47:49,208
even tried to get all the union folks
to make sure that there were
988
00:47:49,208 --> 00:47:52,208
a lot of black folks working on the set
and everything like that.
989
00:47:52,541 --> 00:47:56,500
And John Turturro said there was this
one woman that was a caterer and
990
00:47:57,916 --> 00:48:01,500
she kept refusing to to, like,
serve him even the glass of water,
991
00:48:01,666 --> 00:48:05,625
because she kind of thought his character
was like how he was, really was.
992
00:48:05,625 --> 00:48:09,541
And he had a really convinced her
that no one playing a playing a role. If
993
00:48:11,333 --> 00:48:11,625
he's that.
994
00:48:11,625 --> 00:48:13,750
Good of an actor, I mean.
995
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:16,500
That's never
he was very convincing in that role,
996
00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:19,500
but he's definitely not that person.
997
00:48:19,583 --> 00:48:21,208
And and Roger J.
998
00:48:21,208 --> 00:48:26,375
Smith said that the role of smiley,
there was a scene in that.
999
00:48:26,375 --> 00:48:29,666
The big fight, the fight scene
that before radar, he was killed,
Speaker:
00:48:30,416 --> 00:48:33,416
he he actually spit on,
Speaker:
00:48:34,083 --> 00:48:37,416
and I think it was
it must have been Danny Aiello, son.
Speaker:
00:48:37,416 --> 00:48:38,250
That was something
Speaker:
00:48:38,250 --> 00:48:41,083
he actually spit on them
and they didn't even know what's coming.
Speaker:
00:48:41,083 --> 00:48:42,583
And he goes, that caused a lot of mayhem.
Speaker:
00:48:42,583 --> 00:48:46,458
Like he was totally into the character
and he actually spit.
Speaker:
00:48:46,458 --> 00:48:47,083
You slow it down.
Speaker:
00:48:47,083 --> 00:48:50,333
You see, he literally spit on the guy
and it like, whoa, whoa and all that.
Speaker:
00:48:50,416 --> 00:48:53,125
He said that was real fighting.
That was starting to happen. That,
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00:48:54,833 --> 00:48:55,166
Yeah,
Speaker:
00:48:55,166 --> 00:48:58,166
spike Lee was like, oh yeah, yeah,
I remember that.
Speaker:
00:48:59,166 --> 00:49:01,083
So yeah, there were
there were some instances
Speaker:
00:49:01,083 --> 00:49:03,833
obviously when you have
and literally it was hot.
Speaker:
00:49:03,833 --> 00:49:06,000
Amen. They're,
they're filming in the middle of summer.
Speaker:
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,541
Yeah.
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00:49:07,541 --> 00:49:10,250
And in your, you're in character.
Speaker:
00:49:10,250 --> 00:49:12,625
just tensions. So people.
Speaker:
00:49:12,625 --> 00:49:15,083
Yeah. People are naturally aggravated
when they're.
Speaker:
00:49:15,083 --> 00:49:15,791
Yeah.
Speaker:
00:49:15,791 --> 00:49:18,791
When they're hot and, and they get
to a point they're almost overheating.
Speaker:
00:49:19,708 --> 00:49:21,083
Yeah.
Speaker:
00:49:21,083 --> 00:49:25,208
I read that spike Lee got the inspiration
for this from watching a Twilight Zone
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00:49:25,208 --> 00:49:29,041
episode
about how the rising heat index or in,
Speaker:
00:49:29,291 --> 00:49:32,291
in a story caused more murders.
Speaker:
00:49:32,916 --> 00:49:33,958
I saw that too.
Speaker:
00:49:33,958 --> 00:49:36,291
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker:
00:49:36,291 --> 00:49:39,541
The statistics prove that on the hotter
days, murder rates go up.
Speaker:
00:49:39,916 --> 00:49:42,250
Oh, no, that's definitely
it is definitely I.
Speaker:
00:49:42,250 --> 00:49:45,500
Yeah, that's definitely true. Even like.
Speaker:
00:49:46,583 --> 00:49:46,916
Watch as.
Speaker:
00:49:46,916 --> 00:49:49,916
We're all neighborhood.
But like, you know,
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00:49:50,458 --> 00:49:52,416
the wintertime is all nice and calm.
Speaker:
00:49:52,416 --> 00:49:55,166
I mean, even when it's freezing outside,
you don't see many people.
Speaker:
00:49:55,166 --> 00:49:56,541
As soon as it gets hot,
Speaker:
00:49:56,541 --> 00:50:00,041
that's when everybody wants to fight or,
you know, whatever.
Speaker:
00:50:00,041 --> 00:50:02,875
Yeah. Summertime is always the worst time.
Speaker:
00:50:02,875 --> 00:50:05,333
It's so crucial
sometimes to have activities and things
Speaker:
00:50:05,333 --> 00:50:08,666
for people to do because they're
frustrated already from being hot.
Speaker:
00:50:09,208 --> 00:50:10,041
Yeah.
Speaker:
00:50:10,041 --> 00:50:13,708
And even like in the movie,
they were cracking open the the fire
Speaker:
00:50:13,708 --> 00:50:15,208
hydrant to cool off.
Speaker:
00:50:15,208 --> 00:50:16,333
You know, I've seen them in my,
Speaker:
00:50:16,333 --> 00:50:19,333
my cousin's neighborhood in Jersey city
this dude, all the time.
Speaker:
00:50:19,458 --> 00:50:22,708
But he told the police, you know,
I mean, of course they're they're doing
Speaker:
00:50:22,708 --> 00:50:23,458
what they're supposed to do.
Speaker:
00:50:23,458 --> 00:50:26,791
Their job is to make sure that they're
not playing with the hydrogen like it,
Speaker:
00:50:26,791 --> 00:50:27,416
shut it off.
Speaker:
00:50:27,416 --> 00:50:30,333
But you know that was one thing
that they would try to do to keep cool.
Speaker:
00:50:30,333 --> 00:50:33,000
But to do it.
Speaker:
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,125
Yeah. Right.
Speaker:
00:50:37,583 --> 00:50:40,916
To do it.
Speaker:
00:50:41,916 --> 00:50:44,583
So overall,
I mean, did you enjoy the music.
Speaker:
00:50:44,583 --> 00:50:48,208
And primarily it was really a lot of fight
to power like over and over again.
Speaker:
00:50:48,208 --> 00:50:51,583
But any other music catch your ear?
Speaker:
00:50:52,791 --> 00:50:57,250
I mean, like I know the score itself
has a lot of jazzy type
Speaker:
00:50:57,250 --> 00:51:01,583
undertones to them,
so I always like how spike scores
Speaker:
00:51:01,583 --> 00:51:06,750
with the jazz jazzy undertones,
so it's very soothing and relaxing.
Speaker:
00:51:07,166 --> 00:51:10,166
There was a reggae song, something like
Speaker:
00:51:10,625 --> 00:51:13,625
You Can't Stand the Heat
when they were showing.
Speaker:
00:51:13,791 --> 00:51:16,875
I think Rosie
putting your face in the water
Speaker:
00:51:16,875 --> 00:51:19,875
and yeah.
Speaker:
00:51:20,250 --> 00:51:21,333
There's something from Guy,
Speaker:
00:51:21,333 --> 00:51:24,333
there's something from, yes.
Speaker:
00:51:24,750 --> 00:51:26,416
and so the play were good.
Speaker:
00:51:26,416 --> 00:51:26,583
Yeah.
Speaker:
00:51:26,583 --> 00:51:27,833
There was good soundtrack.
Speaker:
00:51:27,833 --> 00:51:30,833
You know,
they did bring in Branford Marsalis to do.
Speaker:
00:51:30,833 --> 00:51:33,291
Yeah. Some of the music as well. Yeah.
Speaker:
00:51:33,291 --> 00:51:34,708
That's my man right there.
Speaker:
00:51:37,208 --> 00:51:38,333
So what were some of
Speaker:
00:51:38,333 --> 00:51:41,333
the things that you guys maybe disliked?
Speaker:
00:51:41,375 --> 00:51:44,000
I know that
we kind of hinted on a few things.
Speaker:
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:44,750
You know? Diana, right?
Speaker:
00:51:44,750 --> 00:51:47,916
You said something about like,
just radio ratings character in general.
Speaker:
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:48,958
Yeah.
Speaker:
00:51:48,958 --> 00:51:52,708
but aside from that,
this is something I read about
Speaker:
00:51:52,916 --> 00:51:54,041
and some of the reviews
Speaker:
00:51:54,041 --> 00:51:57,041
that Rosie Perez was very uncomfortable
doing that nude scene.
Speaker:
00:51:57,250 --> 00:52:00,791
And so she felt kind of exploitative and
Speaker:
00:52:01,666 --> 00:52:05,083
other people have had the criticism that
there aren't enough women in this story,
Speaker:
00:52:05,083 --> 00:52:06,791
even though other sisters there.
Speaker:
00:52:06,791 --> 00:52:08,458
And Jade is part of the story.
Speaker:
00:52:08,458 --> 00:52:13,375
And, Tina, as far as the story,
I think I see the point from a filmmaker
Speaker:
00:52:13,375 --> 00:52:15,833
is perfective. But,
that was something like.
Speaker:
00:52:15,833 --> 00:52:19,708
Yeah, she says that she
they don't show her face in that one scene
Speaker:
00:52:19,875 --> 00:52:23,333
with when she's naked
because she's crying in there, and that.
Speaker:
00:52:24,291 --> 00:52:26,375
Is that really worth that? Ten.
Speaker:
00:52:26,375 --> 00:52:27,458
Right.
Speaker:
00:52:27,458 --> 00:52:30,458
You don't need to have your actress
doing this.
Speaker:
00:52:30,625 --> 00:52:32,916
Know you can you can do this other ways.
Speaker:
00:52:32,916 --> 00:52:37,166
I mean that the Spike Lee's forgotten
more about film than I'll ever know,
Speaker:
00:52:37,500 --> 00:52:40,583
but this seems like
that was a little unnecessary.
Speaker:
00:52:41,125 --> 00:52:44,125
Yeah. So first we can get a double.
Speaker:
00:52:44,125 --> 00:52:45,083
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:
00:52:45,083 --> 00:52:46,041
Or even not even do it.
Speaker:
00:52:46,041 --> 00:52:49,541
I mean, we're.
Not do it. Fortuitous. Right?
Speaker:
00:52:49,708 --> 00:52:51,083
I mean, like I said, I love the music.
Speaker:
00:52:51,083 --> 00:52:52,708
I almost wish
they would have showed a little bit
Speaker:
00:52:52,708 --> 00:52:54,291
more of the depth of Public Enemy.
Speaker:
00:52:54,291 --> 00:52:56,666
I mean, Fight
the Power was amazing. Anthem.
Speaker:
00:52:56,666 --> 00:53:00,208
Maybe they could have put a track
or two on radio or in this box from like,
Speaker:
00:53:00,208 --> 00:53:04,250
it Takes a Nation of Millions to hold us
back, something like Bring the Noise or,
Speaker:
00:53:05,125 --> 00:53:08,875
you know, one of those songs,
or Countdown to Armageddon or, you know,
Speaker:
00:53:09,125 --> 00:53:09,916
something like that.
Speaker:
00:53:10,875 --> 00:53:11,208
You know, you
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00:53:11,208 --> 00:53:15,083
kind of give it a little bit more depth
because it got a little bit tiresome.
Speaker:
00:53:15,958 --> 00:53:17,625
just to kind of hear
that over and over again.
Speaker:
00:53:17,625 --> 00:53:21,041
I mean, even they did play a different,
a few different like remix cuts with that,
Speaker:
00:53:21,041 --> 00:53:24,041
but still like same song like,
Speaker:
00:53:24,416 --> 00:53:25,666
like Radio Raheem at the casino.
Speaker:
00:53:25,666 --> 00:53:28,666
All of that was it?
Speaker:
00:53:29,708 --> 00:53:32,708
Yeah, the one tape, but for real.
Speaker:
00:53:32,750 --> 00:53:35,333
So I got it like that.
Speaker:
00:53:35,333 --> 00:53:38,333
The scene
with, amid going off on to the mayor
Speaker:
00:53:38,375 --> 00:53:41,750
like, just flat out cussing them out.
Speaker:
00:53:42,250 --> 00:53:45,958
You're a drunk, Carson, you know, and I'm
like, I mean, and I know what happens.
Speaker:
00:53:45,958 --> 00:53:49,500
But again, I guess it's just
people riled up with emotions. But
Speaker:
00:53:50,875 --> 00:53:53,125
yeah, I was uncomfortable for me to see
Speaker:
00:53:53,125 --> 00:53:57,291
along with Raheem,
like you said, Boogie with, you know, way
Speaker:
00:53:57,291 --> 00:54:00,500
he spoke to the Korean convenience store
folks, right?
Speaker:
00:54:01,041 --> 00:54:01,291
Yeah.
Speaker:
00:54:01,291 --> 00:54:05,208
I think like a hint of this
when we're talking pre-recording.
Speaker:
00:54:05,208 --> 00:54:08,250
Like, I think it's
not even necessarily my dislike, but
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00:54:08,250 --> 00:54:11,500
I think that one thing about the movie
Speaker:
00:54:11,625 --> 00:54:14,583
is the language is very harsh.
Speaker:
00:54:14,583 --> 00:54:17,125
So it kind of limits the audience.
Speaker:
00:54:18,291 --> 00:54:21,208
you have
to really go into it with an open mind,
Speaker:
00:54:21,208 --> 00:54:24,791
because if you don't, you know,
some of the language might turn you off.
Speaker:
00:54:25,208 --> 00:54:28,666
You might miss the message of what,
you know, spike was trying to convey.
Speaker:
00:54:29,125 --> 00:54:30,958
Like I said, it's not necessarily
a dislike.
Speaker:
00:54:30,958 --> 00:54:32,750
It's more so,
Speaker:
00:54:32,750 --> 00:54:34,791
an observation per se, but
Speaker:
00:54:34,791 --> 00:54:37,791
he definitely, kept it raw.
Speaker:
00:54:38,125 --> 00:54:38,375
Yeah.
Speaker:
00:54:38,375 --> 00:54:39,416
There was the one scene
Speaker:
00:54:39,416 --> 00:54:42,958
where they're they're
just throwing out every racial epithet
Speaker:
00:54:43,291 --> 00:54:47,333
that could be derogatory
towards blacks, towards Italians,
Speaker:
00:54:47,541 --> 00:54:50,958
coupled towards Koreans, towards Jews.
Speaker:
00:54:50,958 --> 00:54:55,458
It was just like throwing it all out there
and you're taken aback by it.
Speaker:
00:54:55,958 --> 00:54:58,666
And, we discussed a little bit
pre-recording
Speaker:
00:54:58,666 --> 00:55:01,916
to where at first you're like,
how do I react to that?
Speaker:
00:55:01,916 --> 00:55:03,125
It's just so mind blowing.
Speaker:
00:55:03,125 --> 00:55:06,208
But I guess spike
Lee has a way of like I said, it's
Speaker:
00:55:06,208 --> 00:55:10,166
kind of like elephant in the room, people
calling all these nasty things.
Speaker:
00:55:10,166 --> 00:55:11,791
People use it in the vernacular.
Speaker:
00:55:11,791 --> 00:55:14,125
Unfortunately, and
Speaker:
00:55:15,125 --> 00:55:16,875
throw it out there on the table.
Speaker:
00:55:16,875 --> 00:55:18,000
You know, these are names.
Speaker:
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,458
This is this is what you guys are saying
is what you're saying.
Speaker:
00:55:20,458 --> 00:55:22,250
And then
Speaker:
00:55:22,250 --> 00:55:25,500
words have, consequences
and they're hurtful.
Speaker:
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,791
Right? So yeah.
Speaker:
00:55:28,791 --> 00:55:32,916
Yeah, it kind of goes back to like it was
one of the things that we mentioned,
Speaker:
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,291
we were talking about, Star Wars,
we talked about Star Wars.
Speaker:
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,916
We were talking about
how in the, in the community, you know,
Speaker:
00:55:40,916 --> 00:55:45,541
you have a bit of everybody there
and they're all in the same environment.
Speaker:
00:55:46,458 --> 00:55:49,791
Everybody's kind of dealing with
the same struggle, the same situation.
Speaker:
00:55:50,333 --> 00:55:53,041
And then compounded with the heat
wave on top of it.
Speaker:
00:55:53,041 --> 00:55:55,083
But you're all there together.
Speaker:
00:55:55,083 --> 00:55:56,250
You're not going anywhere.
Speaker:
00:55:56,250 --> 00:55:58,500
There's no escaping to go out of it.
Speaker:
00:55:58,500 --> 00:55:59,541
So you're all there together.
Speaker:
00:55:59,541 --> 00:56:02,541
So you kind of have to figure out
how to deal with one another.
Speaker:
00:56:02,541 --> 00:56:05,916
You know,
it's just like, this is a community, like,
Speaker:
00:56:07,041 --> 00:56:08,458
can't put one against the other
Speaker:
00:56:08,458 --> 00:56:11,916
when you're all basically
the same situation, you're all there.
Speaker:
00:56:13,250 --> 00:56:15,625
You all have to deal with the heat.
Speaker:
00:56:15,625 --> 00:56:16,166
Exactly.
Speaker:
00:56:16,166 --> 00:56:18,750
You know each other.
Speaker:
00:56:18,750 --> 00:56:20,416
Everybody needs some ice cubes.
Speaker:
00:56:20,416 --> 00:56:23,416
Yeah.
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00:56:24,208 --> 00:56:27,125
Right.
Speaker:
00:56:27,125 --> 00:56:28,708
Three.
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00:56:28,708 --> 00:56:29,250
Three.
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00:56:29,250 --> 00:56:29,625
Three.
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00:56:29,625 --> 00:56:32,625
Three.
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00:56:33,458 --> 00:56:34,250
I guess it's time now
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00:56:34,250 --> 00:56:37,291
to wrap it up and, do our regular reading.
Speaker:
00:56:37,291 --> 00:56:41,750
And I think it's a no no brainer here,
but go round the around the room here,
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00:56:42,708 --> 00:56:45,708
bring that funky flick back,
bring that something, flick back
Speaker:
00:56:45,833 --> 00:56:48,500
or leave it in the vault.
Speaker:
00:56:48,500 --> 00:56:50,250
What do you say, Boogie?
Speaker:
00:56:50,250 --> 00:56:52,791
Bring that funky flick back.
Speaker:
00:56:52,791 --> 00:56:54,958
Very poignant, very relevant.
Speaker:
00:56:54,958 --> 00:56:57,416
You can make this today.
Speaker:
00:56:57,416 --> 00:57:01,125
Same situation exist
in that movie that exist in right now.
Speaker:
00:57:01,625 --> 00:57:05,375
So by all means,
bring that funky flick back down.
Speaker:
00:57:05,375 --> 00:57:05,666
All right.
Speaker:
00:57:06,875 --> 00:57:09,208
Bring that funky flick back.
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It could have been made yesterday.
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Yeah.
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It's so relevant and fresh
now as it was in 1989.
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Not all this is a good thing.
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Yeah.
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Still dealing with this
these these racial tensions and.
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And all that. Yeah.
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definitely bring that funky flick back.
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It's a it's all time classic.
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It's very thought provoking.
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It's poignant, relevant.
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And again, I don't think it should be
like required watching for a lot of folks.
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Yeah.
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Because again it brings brings
these topics out to the table.
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Deep seated racism and the,
unfortunate consequences it can have.
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Did you mention on recording
that you had Ethan watch this with you?
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Yeah, yeah.
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So my son did watch it with me.
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He's 17 and kind of the boogies point.
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It's like, unfortunately, like,
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you got to wait till a certain age
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because to hear that language
and see some of that.
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But yeah,
he thought it was an excellent movie.
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And, we've been
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we've been talking about it for a few days
now since then,
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I because I, I kind of just question
what do you think about this.
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We like kind of the debate topics we have
and we've be going back and forth
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like I'm asking him,
do you think Sal was racist?
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And he kind of wavered back and forth
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and he's like, no, I don't think so.
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And I'm like, well, what about this?
What about that?
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And know kind of make him think, yeah,
you know what he really was?
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Where does Pino get it from?
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You know, stuff like that.
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What you know,
we went through a different topic.
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So to the point
where my wife's kind of get
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tired of hearing about the movie a lot.
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This movie.
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Oh, yes, we are, because.
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yeah, they spike.
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Spike's a genius.
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he did an amazing job.
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Yeah.
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It's amazing.
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32 it he made this film.
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His third film when I was 32.
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Wasn't making anything for it.
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Yeah,
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he used a lot of the same cast, some
school days, which he had done just prior.
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Ossie Davis was in that
a lot of other guys were in that as well.
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It was
it was getting Big Brother all my it,
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which is actually my name and
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which is actually what Siri calls me on
my phone.
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Was spike said.
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That they have to cut it.
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They film school days, I think down
in Atlanta much more laid back filming it.
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And they said, doing this in Bed-Stuy,
they had to really be
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on point on the garden
because you never know.
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There were some people
that come on the set
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and they had to really vet them out.
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Like, are you are you really an extra?
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So people,
everybody wanted a piece of this
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and then you don't know
if it's a underbelly of,
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undesirable element,
just trying to get in there
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or trying to get close to spike Lee.
And it's like, well, wait a second.
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They had to have some pretty
tight security, right there in Brooklyn.
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Absolutely. No.
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Yeah.
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It was amazing that they did it right
there, right in the street. So
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some folks are complaining that some parks
were closed and stuff like that.
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It's budget was
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$6 million and it did 37.3 million.
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So we're profitable.
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It did really well. Yeah.
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It it blew the box office open
when it dropped.
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And everybody was talking about it.
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Everybody,
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you know, not many commercial films
are this thought provoking
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and this relevant
and vital to the public discourse.
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So shout out to spike Lee.
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Yeah.
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And I think once the, the
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was Public Enemy
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dropped the video like the power.
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It really took off.
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Really did really great video too.
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Yeah.
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I was super.
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Everything was revolutionary about it.
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You haven't seen
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that type of racism portrayed
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in the police brutality,
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you know, Public Enemy song.
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I mean, flat out
declaring that Elvis and John
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Wayne were racists,
very controversial at the time.
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Again, thought provoking. Yeah,
I love the line.
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Most of my heroes don't appear on
no stamps.
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I mean, it wasn't.
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Yeah,
I don't even know at what point in history
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first black person appeared on the stamp,
but it was way, way overdue.
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I mean, the fact that
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MLK day didn't start until 1986.
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Right after heavy petition
petitioning two.
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As an observed holiday. Yeah. So.
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Why did it take so long?
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You know, there's so many, so many things
where black culture is playing catch up.
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Juneteenth
just finally becoming recognized.
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Right. Holiday as well.
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And it's literally existed
since it was abolished.
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01:01:40,125 --> 01:01:43,916
I just really got it, just really got
recognized as a national holiday.
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Yeah.
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Even the whole premise about why it was
celebrated is like, wow,
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you know?
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Yeah, right. Definitely playing catch up.
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I just read that spike
Lee directed the videos for The Power.
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What if I knew that.
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And Jermaine Dupri was in it?
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Yeah.
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And now I have to go
back and look and find him.
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Yeah, it's a great video.
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01:02:11,250 --> 01:02:12,958
Great video.
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I think for a for many years, though,
I know they used to do the top
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hip hop songs of all time and fight
the Powerful.
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Wow had a stretch
where they would come in at number one,
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the number one hip hop song of all time,
just because of the
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the relevancy of the song
and what it stood for at the time.
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It was just so impactful
to to the culture,
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and it would always come in at number one.
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I forgot who used to do the count.
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01:02:40,458 --> 01:02:43,375
I don't remember it was MTV or VH one.
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01:02:43,375 --> 01:02:46,583
The one of them used to do the countdown
and he would always come in at number
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one is not for, you know, make
you want to get up and really dance.
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01:02:49,958 --> 01:02:51,833
It's just kind of like, wow.
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No, you don't want to dance,
you want to march.
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I don't
this is not a party. In the streets.
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It's not like can't do none for you, man.
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If you.
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