Typical nutrition the person has, the skin type, particular diseases also

are affecting peripheral blood flow. This is all affecting it. So

what we need to build, and that's our grand, I would say, plan for

upcoming 10 to 15 years, is to build a

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wild what our bodies do when you really start digging into

health through the lens of light. And our guest today, we

go super deep into biophoton emissions.

What are biophoton emissions? Well, our bodies are

emitting light. I don't mean that as a metaphor. I

mean, literally, we are— there is light

coming out of our cells. And I don't mean like our body heat that would

be picked up by like night vision goggles. I mean

photons, like actual light, or as it

has now been renamed biological

autoluminescence. So my guest today is Michal

Sifra. He runs a lab in Prague that is deep

into the weeds studying biophotonic emissions, right?

Biological autoluminescence. Stay through the podcast. He

gives a big announcement about how all of you,

yes, all of you can participate in this

biophotonic research. It is his dream to

democratize it, which of course lines up perfectly with

the mission at the Institute of Applied Quantum Biology to

start sourcing data from the field, from actual

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Michal Sifra has a really, really crazy cool project

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through the episode. So stay tuned for that. He is, just a

little background, an electromagnetic biophysicist and team

leader of the Bioelectrodynamics research team at the

Institute of Photonics and Electronics of the Czech

Academy of Sciences in Prague. His

earliest mentor was someone that the light nerds

probably have heard of, and that was

Professor Fitzalbert Popp, was one of his early

undergrad mentors, and his thesis advisor was none other

than Roland van Wyck. So Michal

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you for being here. You are a joy to be around and enjoy

my conversation with Professor Sifra. All right,

Michal Sifra, welcome to the Quantum Biology

Collective. Podcast. So looking forward to this conversation.

All right, so we're going to talk about a really interesting, fun

topic today that our audience is familiar with, but not

deeply. And I'd love to get into it, which is

biophotonic emissions. So before you

sort of explain like what that is, could you give us a

little background about what you do and how you ended up in this

very cutting-edge field. Absolutely.

I am— thanks, first of all, thank you very much for inviting me to speak

about, well, all this topic, which is, I would say, the

closest to my, um, heart, scientific heart. It's actually

the research of human photon emission or biophoton emission

is the thing which got me to the science in the first place. So

I can tell you a bit of the actually personal story. Which is

exactly about how I got to the research of this topic. I was

reading certain journals, which are more about the philosophy, a bit

of spirituality, when I was an undergrad student in the university, and I was

studying biomedical engineering. I was always wondering how I

can build, you know, understand new technologies and devices, how to help the

people, especially with any health issues potentially, or preventing them.

And in that, in the journal, I read about

people's kind of popular story about the fact that

human body emits light. And I say, wow, that's weird. How is that

possible? Right? Because nobody told me that about the university and biomedical engineering

courses. So I decided to

explore it myself. So I arranged contact with

Professor Fritz Albert Popp, who is one of the founders of the photon

field. And I arranged them to meet at a

conference and I just took him for lunch. He was a bit

of not busy and I said, hey, I would like to explore this more. So

how can we do that? And he was a very generous person. I can say

later on, I have a lot of, let's say, different opinions than he

had on this field of research, but he was always a very generous person

and invited me to come to this Institute of International Institute of

Biophysics, as they call it, in Neuss in Western Germany. And I

calculated, calculated there my, my internship, which I had in

Germany because I studied originally in Slovakia in my home country. And there

suddenly I find myself surrounded by the people like probably you and who are very

enthusiastic, going definitely beyond the edge of what is standard

science, I would say. And they were all very interested to,

to understand this phenomena. So this is how, how it, I go

to the science there and I slept there in a darkroom measuring how I

shine during the night over the time. And it was my master's thesis. And it

was a lot of fun. And it's, I still like to make this fun research.

And I learned a lot over last, it's almost 20 years

now. So currently I'm a team leader of the

bioelectrodynamics research team at the Institute of

Photonics and Electronics of the Czech Academy of Sciences. And we

are exploring fundamental understanding of the

field biomatter interaction. So. How external

fields affect the biology on a molecular and

cellular level, especially, and how

biomaterial, active biomaterials, organisms generate their

field. So this is what we do in our research. I love that

you're looking at how the environment

affects our biology because that's, I think, something

that is becoming more and more important to people. We've looked you know,

we focus so much on our food and our fitness and

our supplements and our prescriptions,

but then we don't necessarily think about where in the world

we're putting our biology and what is around us that is affecting it.

So is that sort of what your team is looking to understand

partially? We are trying to understand the, how we call it,

well, physical mechanisms of these interactions. So,

Uh, in broader research field of what you kind of called

bioelectromagnetics, that's the research

field or scientific field which exactly deals the

questions how electromagnetic fields affect

biology from the smallest scale, from the molecules to the ecosystems.

So that's bioelectromagnetics. By the way, I, I'm

privileged to be on a communication committee of the BioEM Society.

However, this is not my role today, just to put it apart.

There is a wonderful conference for if anyone wants to dive into

that. We'll put the link to that in the show notes as well. So there

indeed, people are since the time

mankind started to use technologies using electromagnetism,

electricity. So being exposed since already

100 years to the increasing degree of electromagnetic

waves, microwaves, which we all use for wireless communication

and other purposes. People have been interested to what extent this can be affecting

the health. I would say the consensus in the community based on nearly tens of

thousands of studies is that it indeed can be

considered extremely mild stressor, but you

know, to the same level as drinking too much caffeine. For example, radiofrequency

radiation is categorized as possibly carcinogenic. But this

is all well known public, but in the same level,

in the same category is just same as the caffeine. So

drinking too much coffee, for example, I like the coffee, by the way, I have

nothing against caffeine. So as I have nothing against the wireless

communication, if it's done properly. So yeah, so this is

put it to the proper level. So it's categorized as something

possibly carcinogenic because there are some studies which show that.

However, you know, Everything can be carcinogenic if you just do too much of

it. And the public health levels are set

to protect us against, you know, vast majority

of potential risks. So yeah, this is the consensus of the community,

consensus of the biostimulus community. Of course, you can find some

researchers, I would say it's one of the hundred who will tell you that this

is not enough. You should be protecting more and other stuff, but it's, I'm, you

know, I kind of weigh, I'm I'm personally more— how I perceive the,

let's say, risk of being exposed by the external electromagnetic technologies

is somewhere on a level that is just one of the millions of the stressors

we are exposed to. And this happens to be generated by the humans. It's not

a natural stressor. Okay. So you're talking about like

Wi-Fi radiation, cell towers, things like that. So in your

opinion, it is affecting our biology, but not to the level that we

should be deeply deeply concerned. Yes. I mean, this is, this is,

I would say, not only my opinion. This is, uh, I would say this is

my opinion as well, but it's opinion of the vast majority of the scientists. I

would say this consensus in the bioelectromagnetics community. But I can say what can

be much more harmful is actually believing is doing something wrong to you. The effect

of nocebo is extremely

strong, and this is well known and proved. So for people who

believe electromagnetic radiation is doing some harm for them, they could

physically get harmed while not even being

exposed because they believe it's something out there. So the

psychology is extremely powerful and has to be carefully, I would say, separated. And

it's very difficult in studies from actual physical effects of

electromagnetic fields or any other, say, subtle fields. I would, I fully

agree. Yes. That the psychological fear, the constant worry,

panic is definitely going to have a

detrimental effect. And potentially more of

a detrimental effect than the actual electromagnetic fields themselves.

That's possible. That's in some, I would say, population, this is actually a real risk,

I would say. And it's actually happening, I would say. Yes, that's true. I

mean, we all definitely, I would say, have

a slightly, take a slightly more cautious view

of the harms that could possibly be caused.

However, not to the point of freaking out. It's it's sort of like we

turn our Wi-Fi off at night when, you know, when we go to bed.

And I think most people would choose not to live next to a cell

tower if they could avoid it, but it's not an

overriding panic. Yeah, I think, I think it's, it's reasonable

approach, of course. Okay. Of course, you know,

as a, if I may add just a bit of it, of course that,

uh, science is always open, right? So With best of our

understanding of this topic, we can say that

they are safely protected. However,

we never know what will be there in the long run. And that's with any

knowledge, right? So, yeah, I think knowledge might change, but

it's very unlikely it will be dramatic change to a huge

accumulation of knowledge which you have so far, at least in this level of

the, let's say, protection. Of the

population against, you know, unwanted effects of electromagnetic field.

So there are some small probability something very dramatic would happen. I would say it

is completely overturned our understanding, but it seems to be unlikely based on

the, you know, yeah, tens of thousands of the studies

have been researchers all over the world in the last 60 years really looking into

that. I mean, there are people who take a more— who take

a different view. And there are also, I think, people who are more

affected than others. Like you could have 20 people be fine, but

one person gets knocked out by the same level, which

to my knowledge is still a bit of a mystery as to why some people

are so much more sensitive than others.

Maybe, maybe a mystery that will get solved soon with all of the science that's

unraveling. Okay, so that's, those are the bioelectromagnetic

fields. That we are most

commonly exposed to that you talk about,

that you, and that's what you consider when you're talking about like the environment that

we're in. Is there anything else from your perspective,

like when you're describing how our, how our biology

interacts with the environment? Yeah, absolutely. So actually what

we do in our research team, and that's what I, I think

it's, uh, even more fun, actually finding

the conditions where the fields are actually doing a strong effect.

I mean, robust. Yeah, that's what we are trying. That's

actually what I'm most interested in. So what I would say, it seems so

far it's absolutely very important research field. We need to be

clear to clarify any concern of the, of the, of the

societies about this technology. That's very clear. Now,

honestly speaking, I think, uh, but this is not my cup of coffee. I really

like to find, you know, This is how it looks like. There is like hundreds

of scientists doing this research of the safety. And most of the things they are

finding out, negative, negative results, negative results means there is no effect.

So it's actually good. But then I would like to find the conditions at which

electromagnetic fields do something to the biology and hopefully for benefit of

humankind. So that's what we are doing in our research team. So there,

well, physically, obvious ways to go is to

deliver fields which are strong enough to do

something with the molecular structure or cells. And

that's actually a huge booming field. There is a lot of applications

in, in even in what you would call the mainstream medicine,

but particularly, for example, so the so-called huge

research field of the pulsed electric field where

the effects are non-thermal. So there is no effectively no

or very little heating, let's say, of the tissue or

organism, but the biological effects

are extremely strong. And that's what's being used

in therapy, for example. In a, I would say, most

striking way, it is being used just to ablate the tissue. You want to

remove parts of the tissue, but without heating or cooling it. It's called

pulsed field ablation. It's a booming field in, especially in

interventional cardiology. But then there are more subtle

levels of this because you can use also piezoelectric fields to modulate biology without

actually— not for the purpose of killing the cells, but actually to modulate their

function. Because what we all know, and this is not disputed, it's also well accepted,

that cells use electrical

signaling. So basically we run on bioelectricity in terms of signaling. Of

course, it all goes hand in hand with the chemistry. So it's a very complex

bioelectrochemistry which is running our biology. Energetics and so on.

This is something very well established. So this is actually, I would say, very

interesting how to modulate, let's say, cellular scale and

organism scale bioelectricity for regeneration and so on. For

example, Michael Levin, you might guess, know very well,

very famous professor for Tufts University, who is

really an expert, I would say, visionary in bioelectricity, where he was able

to show you can regenerate part of the lost, say,

parts of the organisms just by reconstructing the real

electric blueprint of the tissues. So this is a very fascinating field.

So we are close to that, but going deeper to the

sub-solar and molecular scale.

Fascinating. Okay. This is

such interesting stuff. And I'm— it's really heartening to hear

about all of the research that's being done that could give us an

alternative to just the sort of chemical model of treating

illness. And as you also said, maintaining optimal

health, that would be nice. That would be good too. Okay. So getting back

to the biophoton emissions, you mentioned for

your thesis paper, you slept in a dark room and measured the

light coming out of your body. Could you tell us how you did that? Oh,

it was so much fun. You know, I was a bit younger. It was 20

years ago. And the first thing

I would become immediately interested for some reason I don't know really why

I was always interested, you know, in internal processes and

biochronology. So cycles of the biology.

And my question, research question for my thesis was actually, I was so

privileged I could coin it myself. I just came with the idea and the supervisor

said, okay, let's do that. It's very liberal supervisor. It

was Professor Roland van Wyk. I had to really acknowledge him. He was

so liberal. Roland van Wyk? Yes, exactly. He was

your, he was your supervisor? Right. Right. Okay. Yes.

Our audience might know him as well. That's great. Okay.

So anyway, so my thesis was, the research question was, how

does the biophoton emission from a human

body varies over time? Particularly I was targeting

periods of few hours, basically, or circadian rhythms, the daily

rhythms. So my experiments were basically

every one, every hour or every second hour. I

had to go to the darkroom and I was mostly measuring

the standard spots which are easily accessible, is the palms and

dorsal parts of both hands. So, okay. And

the fun started when I wanted to do it, you know, 24 hours

or 48 hours. So I was actually sleeping in a darkroom. There was a bed

and a colleague of mine, she was so kind that she

was waking up every 2 hours just to run the measurement.

The operation station was out of the darkroom, just an only— Okay.

So did you have to put your hands on a machine?

Or how was it? It was dark enough. And I only— there was single-channel detection

at that time. We are now building something much more fancier and faster.

At that time, it was a single-channel detector which could be moved. So I had

just put the hand under the detector. It was vertically, basically

hanging from the ceiling. And I put my hand

there. There, measurement was run. Again, 3 minutes on the other side,

and I did it for, let's say, both hands, both sides, and

then I fell back to sleep. So that was quite

fun to do that. So I collected a lot of interesting data and I published

it very early when I started my, when I finished my master's. That was my

first, one of my first papers. So that is how I got to this field.

And it's actually now we are, it's really, you know,

experiencing a new boom, I would say, this field. I can tell later on about

what we are up Thank you. Okay. Yes.

And so what exactly are

biophoton emissions? So most people, myself

included, were surprised to learn

that our bodies are emitting light. That seemed, it's

like, wait, what? We are? Most people don't know

that. I learned that, you know, quite recently. So,

Wow. Like, how is that possible? What is it? What's going on there? So of

course, when you hear it for a first time without any scientific background, or even

having scientific background, you would get impression of something like aura-like stuff,

you know, some something glowing around the body, which is known in philosophy

since thousands of years, right?

So by experiencing— but the people who are

experiencing could see some light around the body, and by what is measured by

the technology, these are two different things

to my understanding. Okay. Because what we

are, what biophotons, it's, you know, it's one of the terminology we prefer to

call it biological autoluminescence or

biological autochemiluminescence. I can explain details later.

It comes from the nature phenomenon.

This is the light which physically is being emitted directly from

the object. So if you make a photo, you don't see any light

around the object, it's directly coming from the object. So basically

the visual source, basically

the light of sight is really, you see exactly copies the shape of the object.

If you put the hand under the sensitive cameras, one of the heavy

in our institute, you will see exactly the same shape of the light

with some interesting details because there is a spatial, there's some spatial property.

So it's light is not always completely homogeneous intensity. There are some spots which

shine brighter than the others. Can, may or may not.

So it is a physical light. You are indeed detecting

photons, so particles of light in the range of

what you would call visible range.

But because there is so little of these photons, we cannot

see them with naked eye. And I tried very hard, I can tell you.

When I was still younger, I was sitting in a darkroom for a lot of

time, acclimating my eyes. You really cannot see that. Oh, I could not. And most

of the people, all the people who came there, could not. We thought we

can because we know where our limbs are, but then you have to—

somebody else was sitting there and you were asked, where

is this? Where is his or her hand? You cannot say. You have impression, you

know, because you know where your arms are, but you can't really see this light.

So it's more where we can more tell where it is by the— through

a spatial recognition, but the naked eye cannot see

these emissions. Yes. And Do you need like a,

you, I would imagine a very specific type of technical

camera that's able to capture. You need very sensitive detectors to do that.

However, they are not that unavailable. I will tell about it. We

have a project which is supposed to democratize and spread this technology to the world

because it's expensive. Yes. I will talk about it later. It's

something I'm passionate about. All right. Once, say a few months. So yes. So

to go back to the answer. So it is a physical light emitted.

So it's nothing, uh, I would say going out of the standard

physics. It's really— we are perfectly sure, and it's

not my opinion, it's— there is a community which knows this phenomenon. So

if you encounter a skeptic, they're saying this is not

a true phenomenon, he's just not educated. So I was already having this

discussion, and it's sometimes fun to see that some people are very smart by their

education just because they raises them some, you know,

something esoteric, they rather, you know, banish this idea

completely without actually going to study what is out there in the

literature, because there's a lot of data in the literature which shows this is really

the emission in the visible range. So it's not just

some thermal emission because of the fact that

the bodies have certain, emit certain heat. This

is really coming from as, you know, visible

wavelengths. Okay. So it's not— the light is not generated

by heat. It is visible light that can be picked up if

you have a sensitive enough instrument. Exactly. And yet

I do— yeah, it can be sometimes

dismissed by people because it's a bit of a not

a far step into more esoteric

ideas. That's one thought. Once you start talking about the body giving off

light. And then because you did mention that you were

inspired to take a scientific

view to all of this by reading spiritual literature.

So have those ideas come

together for you? I do, I understand that you are deeply

rigorous in the scientific method.

But also has that in any way informed

your spiritual and philosophical views? Actually,

I thought about it for some time, and in certain years when I was young,

it did. But now I kind of see it's different than I thought,

and it's a development. So in a way, you know, I can tell you my

personal motivation in my life and in my research is really understanding

of interaction, I would say, of the subtle

fields and the matter, particularly biomatter. And then when I translate it

to physics, it's interaction between electromagnetic fields

and the materials, soft matter,

biological matter. Because that's what something, you know, is

researchable. And of course we can think

beyond the standard physics, metaphysics, but that's, you

know, much more difficult to work it. So I was being, I was a

bit pragmatic and I decided, okay, I want to do rigorous research. I want to

use scientific methods to understand interaction between the

fields and the biomatter. And this is a very clear

choice where you go. It's electromagnetic field because it's rather the

subtlest you can get and still physically measurable. And, you know,

everybody using it, just using your phone. So it's something real

and everybody takes it for granted. So you can, you know, we can really study

that quantitatively. Sometimes I like to make jokes about my surname,

you know, it's Cifra, which means in certain languages a number or a

digit. And I make these jokes that I like to be, like to be

quantitative. Right. So yes.

Answering that, um, there is, I would say inner drive, my inner

motivation is really deep, goes beyond the rational.

But what I really consider important is to keep the

scientific methods. So to open up this

phenomenon to broader scientific community, because that's what I believe is

my way how to make an impact. Right.

And where would you say things are at with that in terms

of this work? And I'm going to use the word that you

prefer over biophoton emission. You used

biological autoluminescence.

Correct. Okay. Where is

biological autoluminescence in terms of the— why,

you know, your lab is deeply focused on it and you've mentioned there are many

others. Where does it sort of fit into the wider

field and how does it relate to

biophysics? I like to take perspective of, as you mentioned,

electromagnetic perspective of how the organisms

work. So it's well established that from

the solar level, from even the simplest organism, there are membrane

structures in the cells which use

electricity to usually convert the energy or generate certain

chemistry in it for the life. So it's, you know, the electricity there is

there from the smallest, let's say, units of life, the cells.

And then higher organisms developed, developed capability to

harness electricity to, to make movements.

So using musculoskeletal systems, and also for

signaling, hence processing information. So all

the other neurology and electrophysiology related to

higher brain functions, this all uses electricity.

Now I took your perspective of, let's say, physicist or engineer. So

you can speak of the frequencies or frequency bands. So

this classical, well-accepted electrical activity in those

cells and certain organs is reaching

in frequencies usually up to a few kilohertz or tens

of the kilohertz, means, you know, thousands or tens of thousands of cycles

per second. But in physics, we know that,

well, there is much broader frequency range of the

electromagnetic spectrum which exists there. So my

supervisor here in Prague, he was already asking the

question, so is there any

biophysical activity in the cells which generates

the much higher frequencies than those which are currently

well known in the textbooks, and they are studied by a huge amount of people.

So he was asking, for example, do cells generate

microwaves? Do they emit microwaves not just because they are warm,

but because there is certain activity which corresponds to these frequencies or

fluctuations? And People have been asking, do

cells and organisms emit different frequencies of

electromagnetic field? And when you go like this through all the electromagnetic spectrum, you will

end up also in the optical range,

where we are speaking about emission of the light. So from this

perspective, there are basically— I have one of the slides in my presentation where I

show the spectrum, electromagnetic spectrum, and see this is well known, this is a little

bit known, and here is a gap. So this bit

known is exactly these biological autoluminescence. So when I, I took this

perspective, basically it's kind of a, what I call electromagnetic

biophysics. Also, I sometimes tend to call myself, and people ask

about my profession, I say I'm electromagnetic biophysicist,

basically combining biophysics from the electromagnetic perspective.

And so this is how it fits the physics, uh, engineering or physical

perspective. So there is different frequencies life

uses. I mean, now really speaking about electric, electromagnetic frequencies life uses

for its operation, and some of them are well described, some of them

are not well described, some of them are unknown and maybe non-existent. We

just don't have data, much data to actually say something about that.

So this is how it fits to, let's say, physics, biophysics perspective,

the phenomenon of biological out-of-human essence. So it's just

another frequencies which happen to be

perceived by us as light. And

yeah, fun fact is that any organism emits light

because of it contains chemistry, which is

very general. It's oxidative chemistry which generates

this light, well, by so-called chemiexcitation or

chemically. So this is well established how phenomenon,

let's say mechanism, how biological luminescence or biophotons is

generated. Okay. And so that's all living systems, not

just humans that generate this light. I should make a side

note. It's important, actually, all organic systems, even the non-living.

If there is a— you can just take a piece of butter or oil.

When it's in contact with oxygen, or even when

you seal the bottle, there is still some oxygen before it gets consumed. You

know when things get really rancid, yellowish?

Let's say, you know, the really natural butter sits,

then it gets to become yellowish after a long time. So this is oxidation.

This oxidation leads to emission of light as

well. So it's all organic, basically, materials when they are in contact with

oxygen, especially some

reactive forms of oxygen and other species, they—

one of the reactions which is taking place also leading to emission

of light. However, in living systems, because

these reactions are controlled and regulated,

then also this light emission is regulated in a way.

So this is what makes distinction between this light emission from

non-living organic materials and living.

Okay. So the non-living

materials are giving off light through an

unregulated chemical reaction. Correct. Especially organic ones.

If you take inorganic material, you know, for

example, metal, even plastics is a bit organic, depends on what exactly it

is. It's basically also material. Plastics are organic materials. So, but

especially those which are typical for biology, those materials, if they're, let's

say, if something which is of the biological origin, so to say, that's best example.

Can be any food basically. Even if it doesn't

contain any more living cells, it Also the wood fruit does,

it's still, even if it's non-living food, it still emits light just because it

just, you know, these chemical reactions are going on without any, any control.

Actually, these can even emit much more light than a human. You just take a

bit old olive oil, shines more than a human does per the same

surface area. But it's the light is being created

through a different mechanism in a, in a human than in

olive oil. Oh, that's a good question. Actually, the

fundamental reactions are very similar, but they are not regulated in the non-living

systems while they are regulated in living systems. So what do you mean

by regulated? So, you know, homeostasis, right?

And, and, uh, and dynamic

balance of all different aspects of, of, uh, of

a procedure. So there is homeostasis in, uh, in

energetics. There is homeostasis in,

um, so-called oxidative stress. There is also good

stress, so-called eustress, from the Greek good.

So eustress is also a good stress, and there is a balance

of these stresses. And on, uh, this

electro-bioelectrochemical level, it's so-called reductive-oxidative

homeostasis, which is being

balanced so it's in favor of staying

alive, so the system stays alive. So, and this

redox homeostasis, this, I would say,

bioelectrochemical homeostasis is the thing which is regulated,

which then leads also to these photon emissions. So this is the,

let's say, chemical perspective of these photon emissions, which

is well accepted in the community. Okay.

So that's why like the olive oil over time, that chemical reaction would cause

it to go rancid. But we don't cause ourselves to go rancid.

Well, in the end, there is end of everything. Or do we?

It's sad news. Sorry. But yeah, yeah, we are trying to

keep away from it as long as possible, right?

Right. All the dirty things. So is there, have you found in your research that

there are different levels of I'm

just going to make sure, of biological autoluminescence

depending on a person's level of health or depending on their

age or depending on where they live? Like, are there,

are there factors that change it? Absolutely. Absolutely. This is

actually the questions. I mean, it's many questions,

right? So yeah. So

there is quite some literature out there. As in our lab, we've been

focusing really on understanding the molecular details of that. There's

also recent reviews, which I also, I sent some of the review papers. So

when you go to the, to the level of, let's say,

the molecular and cellular, there are hundreds of papers which are explaining

how light is generated by, at these levels of

organization, let's say cellular and molecular. And there are hundreds of

factors being explored how they're affecting it. There is

much less data when you go to the, say, organism scale. That

means, you know, plant, animal, or human scale. There is

a few tens of the papers or maybe several tens of the papers. So there

is still some data. So yes, let's stick to something which is

most important to the audience, which are the people, right? So that's the

humans. So what is known out there?

So the I'll just start to list as it

comes to my mind. So as we age, we

shine more. Our dominant

hand tends to shine more. The extremities,

so ends of the, you know, feet and hands, they tend to shine more than

the flat surfaces. The

nails, well, especially if they have no nail polish to

block light, shines more. Shine more.

People who are in the acute phase of some, well,

even mild respiratory disease, they shine more. People who are more

stressed shine more. So long-term meditators typically shine

less. And this is correlated

by the level of the stress markers in the blood. So the more,

the higher level of these different oxidative or

let's say generally speaking, stress markers in the blood, typically the higher emission

is from the, from the person.

In a lot of diseases which cause certain asymmetries,

this is extremely pronounced. So for example, in

paraplegic patients, you know, the how the body is

basically paralyzed, that inactive one shines

less. Physical exercise

acutely increases the emission. Then

there is also changes in, for

diabetic patients. This is a little

more not clear which direction it goes, but because

all of this is usually tied rather clearly to the physiology,

there are some very, like, same mysteries, like it's not clear why.

For example, why nails shine more, it's not really clear why.

But there are, most of the stuff is tied to physiology and to the

biochemistry of the, let's say, underlying the human

whole. So the older you are,

the more stressed you are, the sicker you are,

the more light that you're emitting. More light you are

emitting, yeah. Why? Because the, well, now it is all perfectly fixed to

the standard I would say explanation of this

phenomenon. And that's because there is more

oxidative stress accumulated over time when you are sick

is increased. Well, there is some more things why when you are sick, but it's,

you can elaborate on that. So all it fits the,

the paradigm of increased oxidative

stress, which leads to increased rate of

reactions, which generate these like So this is how,

yeah, this is how we understand it is. Okay.

So it's related to increased levels of oxidative

stress. So could

measuring, and I keep looking at the

paper you sent me so I say it properly, could measuring

the autoluminescence be a way

to have, like, could that be

a marker for health? This is what we exactly plan to,

to prove. So there is lots of the papers which

bring some evidence to that. However, what

we are trying to do in upcoming few years is actually

massively expand this research. And I

think now is the time to and to introduce what we are up to. Yeah.

So we do believe— now, this is still belief, to be honest. It has some

data to suggest, but it's still more to, I would say, large perspective. It's

believed that the information which is carried by the signals can

non-invasively report on health,

particularly on both local and

systemic oxidative stress

index. That's something we want to build. So What we

plan to do, and we are aware of the limitations, is

the rigorous population study and massive

statistics. Because what we are missing so far is

have much more data on how this is related to age. There's only

one paper on it, maybe two, on a few tens of the people. How is

it related to lifestyle, particularly a whole style, let's say,

typical nutrition the person has. The skin type.

There are particular diseases also affecting

peripheral blood flow. This is all affecting it. So what we need to

build, and that's our grand, I would say, plan for upcoming 10 to

15 years, is to build a global

human biophoton atlas, as we call it.

And we are just unleashing that. That sounds really cool. Could you say that

again? Yes, we are going to build

global human biophoton atlas. A

global human biophoton atlas.

Love it. I love it. Okay. Sorry. Keep going.

Uh, now we are about maybe the third person out of our institute who hears

that. So we are just ramping up, preparing all the

branding, all the fun part of it, because we want also to gamify that.

The goal is in a first 2, 3 years,

we're going to do a pilot study at the institute. Well, we can bring on

volunteers if you come over, build it here. We will have some bloggers coming

already in April just to be on site and try it, you

know, with their own hands physically. Okay, cool. So

you're saying if people are interested, they can come to Prague?

All right, like Roderick Lambert did, who I, how I met you.

But this is bigger. This is bigger because beyond when we finish this

pilot, yeah, uh, we already will be building a

network. Thanks to you, we are already doing that, right, in this discussion. We

want to build a worldwide network of ambassadors,

and we will provide them as much as affordably as

we can our systems, because we are building on our own, so we know all

the technology. We can scale it, we can produce tens of any hundreds of these

systems, uh, and we want to make, you know, imagine

we're gonna have a website with the globe and build the spots where you

can go to measure your biophoton emission. It will be fun

and great. So fun. That's so fun. One of

my missions in this, in along this line, is to really

get this to textbooks so everybody will know who gets

some, you know, education that, you know, in the school you might learn

biology that, yeah, heart using uses electricity, brain uses

electricity. So we should learn that organisms emit light, all of them, not

only a few which we can see by naked eye. So this is the plan.

And the idea is, the science idea behind that, if

you increase the number of the people in the database, then

you are making all the knowledge much more precise because it increases, you're

increasing statistical significance. Yeah. This is how

it typically works. When there are certain phenomena which you want and

the effect size is not that strong, need to increase number of the n

of the samples or subjects to get that. So this is idea. And

we, we want to make it big. So the idea is that first few years,

the few hundreds, I think I would love that within, within

5 to 7 years, we go to 10,000. And my,

my ultimate goal within 15 years, let's say till end of my career, to have

a million subjects measured all over the world using the ambassador network and

leveraging all the enthusiasm from the community. Because we will need

people and of course very good logistics, which we can support, but

we will need, well, we will need a global engagement in this.

That's really fun and super exciting. And I love the way

you're looking at it. It's like, yes, we can measure the

body's electrical output and we've done so

in lots of different ways and it's taught and people understand that.

And so now the next step is for everyone to understand that our body emits

light to that same extent. Okay. So

let's talk about the Global Biophoton Atlas. So would your

vision be that the machines or the

cameras, what do you call them, that would measure it? Systems

which are easy to scale are the photodetectors. There are particular

types of them. We plan to use photomultiplier modules,

which will be very robust. You can bring it out of the lab. They operate

perfectly and reliably for a long time. So basically

those enable the operator to, to, to

basically measure the overall light from certain part. Usually

it's how it looks, the system which we want to spread to the world is

the, is a small black box which you can just transport anywhere you like and

the detector. So what you get there is, is basically amount of

light. You don't see images. You just, you see numbers,

but you can put them to a certain perspective after getting some data.

You can say, yeah, hey. You know, because point is that we're going to measure

these light signals, like basically the amount of light you emit from

certain areas which are accessible mostly hands. And

we will gonna, we have to, and what's, what's very important for that, we have

a, we'll have a questionnaire. We have to write all the consent because there'll be,

this is, you know, I think this is a medically approved study.

And based on this, we're going to build a database which

will be all the data, the data will be open.,

and all the ambassadors and collaborators will feed

it because we'll have to have standardized procedures so it's

comparable. And this will, this will bring a lot of

information. And the questionnaire is very important because this will basically be

repetitive twice. We were going to put direct questions. We will put you to the

scale. So for example, for this age, for this gender,

for this, you know, lifestyle, where you are, Do they

shine too much or too little? Or, and you know,

it's the number itself doesn't mean much without the context. And with this, we're

going to collect the information about the context

and the light information itself. So amount of light, which one

person emits. That's really cool. So who,

who is best set up to host

these, this technology or to have to become a center for

measuring the emissions? Would it need to be a hospital? Could it be

a clinic of some kind? So we want to keep

it open to basically anyone who is willing to follow

the protocols because there is a science behind it. Of course, in

your free time you can play with that. That's the fun part. But we want

something back from that. And that's the data, right? Yeah.

So this is still very early. First, in the first year, if you're gonna

have approval for a single-center

study, going multi-center study is possible, but there will

be some— I think since it's— I believe it will be

possible, and it shouldn't be limited to clinics or hospitals. It can be, you know,

it can be, um,

health coaches, consultants, longevity clinics. Great. Anyone who

is interested, what we will require is that

it pays back in the data. So once you get a device,

for example, rented or for any conditions we'll agree on, we just

want you to use it to collect as much data according to a protocol.

And that's, that's how we, how we plan to do that. So we will be

open even to enthusiasts, as like you said, you, if you make a deal over

the good conditions, we can think of providing that. So, you

know, it will help us to build a science about it. So cool. All

right, everybody listening, We have

many practitioners in our audience. If

you would like to be a biophoton emission measurer,

stay tuned. Ambassador. Ambassador. I know, I like

to play with words. Yes,

ambassador. Stay tuned. You will have that opportunity coming

soon. Okay. So we talked

about biophoton our

bioluminescence emission as a marker for

health. Is there anything

else related to health. That. You

have even theoretically thought about? Like, is the light— is

this our ability to create this light doing

something for us, or our ability to regulate it? Because

it So if the difference between non-living and living systems is that we

can regulate it, and then when we're

older or unhealthy, the light goes up,

does that mean our capacity to regulate has been diminished in addition

to the oxidative stress? Right. That's how it works on a cell

level. Indeed. Okay. Yeah. So what

does it mean to

our biology to be able to create and regulate this

light? Like, what are the—

so, um, the ability to control the underlying processes

is crucial for health. So we believe it will

be a marker of biological age

at certain point. Okay, so not the chronological

but the biological one. So that's— it's, it's— I believe it's

tightly coupled

to the oxidative stress and oxidative, let's say, redox

homeostasis or reductive oxidative

homeostasis. So definitely the capability of organism

to regulate the processes which lead

to this light emission is very crucial and fundamental

for biology. Now there is one branch which I was

always fascinated about. It'll be super speculative and you might like to hear about

it. Of course I would. I love the

speculative. We go beyond, let's say, the established science because it's all the fun.

Talking theory now, people. We're talking theory. All right. Love it. Not

theory, but— Not theory. Okay. It's not a theory yet. It's still a

speculation. Okay. All right. Sorry. I know I hear

from people when I— when I play with words, so like, you didn't— you

didn't— no problem.

Okay, so we're talking speculative. We're not even—

interpretations into the theory yet. All right, got

it. Um, okay, so just terminology-wise, so when you say theory, that's

something, uh, just some formulations, often, often quantitative, when it's in physics

or biophysics or even engineering, which

predicts something which you can experimentally test. That means theory.

Okay, so what you're about to tell us, we're not even at that stage yet,

we're pre-theory? Uh, actually what I'm thinking

about is about experiments which are very

fascinating but are hard to reproduce. Okay, this is actually where most of

the fun is, when you do see something in experiment, a real

thing, but then and somebody else tries to do it as well, but he's

not getting the same stuff. Right. And this kind of stuff

is very fascinating because in this kind of experiment, which we call— they are not

easily reproducible or irreproducible. This is like a gray

zone of science. So there is something there. It is either just artifact that

something was done wrong. So we got the interesting data, but we don't know what

goes wrong or it's actually really true thing which we

got., but the other one who tried to reproduce couldn't reproduce because it didn't do

the stuff exactly as he or she

should. So now this fun part, and this

is about the, I would say,

speculative suggestions that biology could use these

lights to communicate. So there

are quite a lot of experiments on this kind of guide that you

have a say, two cell cultures which

are separated mechanically. So let's say there is a flask or a dish

with a cell culture here and here.

And now you stress one. And then, as we know, as you stress the

cell culture, you'll start to shine typically. Now, the fun part

is that some works claim that some papers claim

in there, and there is usually Well, some of them quite reasonable

research. You don't see anything wrong methodically there. Some of the

papers claim that the other culture could respond just

by seeing this light from the other culture. So it means

if, as if some experiments suggest

that the biology could use this light for communication. This is absolutely

fascinating, right? But there are many buts. And I'm one of the authors

who are telling what are those. And I like to play

with these ideas. We tried on our own and it's super hard. Sometimes it just

doesn't work. So you cannot rely on that. So it goes beyond science

sometimes because if something's irreproducible, you know,

it's like, would you like to have a car which starts only every

third time? So one day it doesn't start at all, another day it does. It's

useless. It's not a car. I mean, it just starts randomly. So what can you

make of it? So these kinds of experiments are super difficult to work with because

then you just suddenly for some even long period of time, they just don't do

the stuff which they used to do before, and they just don't know why is

it so. There are many speculations why it could be so, why it only

works sometimes, or for some people it doesn't work at all,

never. So this is fun, but this is exactly this, this how these kind of

experiments tend to behave. But this is in

core very fascinating, and I, I guess for obvious

reasons, right? The, there are claims there could be communication

channels using lights. But there are many buts, right? Because this light

is so extremely weak, so it's

very, very hard to imagine how it could work in, um, let's say, normal

light conditions. So most of the experiments are being done in

dark. And one could say, yeah, it's dark inside of

our bodies. Yes or no? That

depends. So yeah. You know, if the cells talk to each other using

light language, it could be fun. But it's still, I would say, a

very open question. So this is the fun part. Yes, that is— this

is really fun. Okay, so you have the experiment is you

have cell cultures in two separate Petri dishes.

You trigger one of them to have a stress response, which

increases its light emission. And then you look to see if

that light emission is received or changed in

the other. And sometimes there is an

observable effect and sometimes there isn't. Is that sort of

what's going on? So it's like the effect is there and

it's real, but without understanding how to reliably

reproduce it, no one wants. To commit to them. There is this, there

is this uncertainty because, you know, in every work

there's always uncertainty. So even by

a random, you know, playing dice, you know, how probable is that

you will throw 6 10 times in a row? Very low, but

it's possible, right? In the same way, you

can get some effect without actually being reproducible. I mean, I

would say really in a way that

it's common. So some things can be just obtained by randomness. You can

get some reading which is beyond the threshold saying, yes, this is an

effect. Just by chance. And because of

the publication bias, that means that if things don't work,

usually published, that's the problem of the academic research. Not only academic research, anyone, you

know, people like to be positive, right? It's human nature that you want to

achieve something. It's very rare to publish, hey, this just

didn't work. And because of this bias, probably most of negative

results are not even published. So we don't know even what went

wrong in those experiments, what they tried and why it

didn't work. So the ratio of, you know, if these things worked, usually people

publish that, but there might be hundreds of other papers or works which never

been published and they just show there is no effect. And this

is because these changes are real. This is like this publication bias

is there. That's why we are so careful to say this is

really true effect. Although there are some, a

few dozen papers which have these findings, as I

mentioned. So, and this is a very tricky area of research. I know people who

ruined their careers trying to do that because

just for several years, no results, no funding, out of

the business. And doing good research just takes time and

money because you need to eat, right? Pay rent and other

stuff. So, This is very difficult. There are some extreme cases

from former Soviet Union that, you know, there was academic research like, just

do whatever you do, just pay a little, you just survive and do the stuff.

So there was some researchers might know that. And I learned

Russian just because of these crazy

things. There are works from

Kaznacheev who worked on this 30 years and they were doing these kind of

experiments of stressing one culture and looking at another for many years

every day. And they found, this is a very, this is crazy. I remember still

the graph there in the Russian description. They found cycles

over time when these experiments tended to work and, and

the effect faded away completely. And it changed over time periodically

over the year. I don't know what it was. It was

linked somehow. There was a cycle to it. They were the

cycle theorists. It wasn't random. But, you

know, how can possibly in our research system you could do this experiment? They were

doing 30 years. Mm-hmm. These things, you know, we have

funding now for 2, 3 years. Yes.

So they, they stayed at it for 30 years and they were

able to discern a pattern. Exactly. But they have to do it every day

or every week, a few times at least. To see a piece pattern. So I

don't know how to trust this data. As a side note, I love

scientists. Like who codes and does the same experiment every

day for 30 years? Like, God bless him.

That's amazing. Okay. You have to be a freak to do that, right? So yeah,

I mean, you just have to be so committed and so

focused and motivated to find out what's going to happen. It's, it's,

I mean, it's amazing to me. But that's also a really good point

because all of the people throwing out or not publishing because it didn't

work, like, that's still useful information,

is what the Russians showed. Yeah, that was still Soviet times.

There were some very far in the East. Well, yeah.

Isn't that something? This is like a bigger problem. It's not only about

this research field. Any research field has huge

positive publication bias. Yes. You don't sell negative data, which stays in the drawers

for different reasons. Yeah. So anyway, so of

course, and, and, you know, that does make sense, but in an

ideal world where it was, you know, like, so those

Russians were almost operating in an ideal world where they weren't tied to

funding and approvals. They were just like to live in that world. But if

you're a scientist, probably you would like, you could.

Do this. I guess I'm just trying, I'm thinking, you know, like in an ideal,

an ideal scientific setting, there wouldn't be these kinds of

constraints. You could just follow your, in

some sense, maybe your gut feeling that there's something there,

even if in the short term you're getting mixed

results or things that can't be reproduced or things that

seem random. But again, since it was only a single lab who was doing these

crazy things because just, you know, It's just, I can't imagine who else could be

doing that, you know, for such a long time. Yeah. There's nothing to compare with

like this. Yeah. There are some other long-term study or some other cycles, but it's

very different fields. So could it be that

they have certain periodic artifact in their setup over

the years? Mm-hmm. We don't know. Could there be that over

the time they had increased moisture in the lab, which they definitely had. It was

no fancy lab which you control moisture and temperature, and they have leakage during certain

time of the year. I don't know. So it's

fascinating, but we have to be very cautious about this. You know, typically

there's a saying, if there is extraordinary

data, it requires extraordinary evidence. So it has to be really

strong, very convincing. So this is exactly the type of the field. Having

very strong claims about these kinds of things, which are rather unexpected

based on, let's say, what physics and biophysics knows,

it has to have very strong evidence to make

strong claims. If I'm really trying to be careful. Okay, so

if the, if the idea that cells can communicate with each other

via light is

unexpected and, uh, not accepted, what, what would need to

be true in order for that to be, I

think, a likely scenario? I'm on the papers I sent you.

I've It was already my more.

Skeptical years. It's the late, um, the one about how it— there's only a ghost

of a chance. Exactly, that one. Yeah. Okay, there we

exactly list what are the problems, why it seems to

be not— well, why it's hard to accept by any

reasonable biophysicist, I would say, because there are certain risks, you know, just the simplest

idea, simple thing, which is Just to give you an example, I was

thinking about it today, how to, how to put it clearly. So this light is

extremely weak. Imagine a lighter or a candle

light. Now take this candle light and let it light

to International Space Station, so 400 kilometers above the, above

the ground level.

So imagine you're trying to look on that from your— somewhere

in darkness completely, looking on that Space station, sometimes you can see that, right? It's

one of the satellites flying around. And during that space

station, they light up the candle. And the amount of light

which comes from that candle down to the ground is the intensity of the

light which humans and organisms emit. It

is so weak as a candlelight.

Okay. The light emissions from our bodies, as

to compare metaphorically, would be like seeing. Candlelight that was up

in space. Numerically it fits. I was doing the calculations, so that's what I

found. Of course you. Were.

Okay. I'm a.

Cipherer, right? So. The digits. The digits. Get the numbers. All.

Right. So, so the, the visibility is very weak,

but is there still something left. They could

be communicating? In principle, yes. The problem is here then

the noise. Everything, all other signals that

organisms integrating are very rough, can be much stronger, like many orders of

magnitude, millions, billions times stronger than this. You know, other, let's say,

chemical signals. So this is the major conceptual or

paradigm challenge to overcome. And this is exactly what we write in the paper. There

are limitations and there would need to

be extraordinary things happening in biology, which we haven't noticed

so far, which could enable these deciphering these

very weak signals from the background to all their stuff. And this

is super hard to understand because the way out

of it, and there are, of course, people try to find out theoretically if there

is certain coding, you know, certain patterns in time and other stuff

or space-facing wavelengths. People were thinking of all possibilities that you can physically

think of because people are very good in coding and cryptography and

all the stuff is very advanced. So there were some ideas how

to overcome these problems of very low signals and high, let's say, levels of

noise, which organisms perceive. It's very tricky. It's

very tricky. All the possibilities are, seems to be unlikely so far,

unless you assume, assume something very

extraordinary happening in biology. Which is not proved

so far. So what would a paradigm look

like where this made sense, the light

communication between cells made

sense? Like, just as a.

Full speculation. So one of the things you mentioned, there would need

to be

extremely sensitive integrating and decoding detector in inside the

cells, and it's not clear what it could be. We don't

know. They just don't see anything. So which could it be? This

is basically it. I mean, technically it's possible

to detect the candlelight from the orbit, from the space

station, but you would need to look on it very long time, very sensitive detector.

And there are some tricks how to do that. There need to be blinking light,

and you know exactly, you would need to know

the code so to say. And yet you have to be extremely

sensitive. So there is no clear idea why, what could be decoding

any code, if there is any code in these light signals. And I can tell

you, we've been trying very hard. We have a few papers on that. This is

not very essential because they're very mathematical, how we

could, what could be the code in these signals.

So we couldn't find any except very one

weak signature. And then there's one side that's

on the sender, and on the receiver side, there will need to be something

which can decode that in the huge

amount of background signal. So we would need to

have these, we need to prove there is

certain code inside this specific sequence,

or, you know, very broadly speaking, it's not like sequence in time, it's very complex

in a complex space of properties of the light. From

even from quantum perspective. And on the other

side, on the receiving side, if I simplify it, because it's, you know, it can

be more complex, it's not, you know, it, when you go to more— Yeah,

please simplify. We'll take the simplified version. I think this is important now.

Yeah. I'm simplifying the concept to sender and

receiver. But now if we want to learn the words from quantum biology, it can

be just sharing. As a field

does, right? Yes. I'm simplifying the words to sender-receiver, but it can be

more complex. But this is already a much more crazier idea, which is known

from quantum biology, but is not really much known that cells could be,

you know, somehow entangled or field-coupled. I mean, this is because the field is not

just the particles, you know, it

can be interfering and coupling the things together. So it's

not like simply say things go there and there because it's all around and mingling,

so. To say. So yeah, I guess that

was kind of what I was wondering, if there was more at

play than there's the biology but also the,

the field around the biology. Is

there something, some medium through which they could be communicating that

we. Don'T see? Well, this is

all philosophy,

right? You can think of one of them, but it's— then it goes pretty

much beyond the standard science. There are a lot of weird

things which I think— I don't know if they are worthy to speak about because

they go very beyond my expertise. You know, you can

find a society which are dealing with this. They are

not— definitely not, I would

say following the standard science for

different reasons. So for example, there is well-known in US established

Society for Scientific Exploration. You can check,

they're very, uh, extravagant topics, so.

To say. I love it. Yeah, but that's different, that's not

my field. I just know they exist, they do

all the crazy things you can imagine, from remote viewing, telepathy,

and this stuff. But that's not the— it's not my

cup of coffee for my research. It's fun to hear about it, but for

me, it's, you know, I can't. Really use it in our research,

right? And that's fair. And I think, you know, obviously we need

to stay very grounded in what we

can figure out for sure. Appreciate that you're

doing that. To wrap up, could you

just say if your wildest dreams come

true and you get to have a million different data points

on the

bioluminescence emissions, what would you

maybe expect to see or hope to see in

that data? What would be like really

cool to—. So I would like to know, I would like to see

the things which we didn't know. What

I expect to see though is that if everything

is well controlled, it will be

able to monitor, as I mentioned,

through these indices of oxidative

stress to probe, let's say, affecting biological age,

to see effects of therapies, different kinds

of them. Because what will be interesting to see, longitudinal evolution, like if

you measure something at one subject and then over time

after certain interventions, this could be

interesting metric. Just purely pragmatically, it's completely non-invasive. You just

watch, you don't even send any light, you just watch the light being emitted from

the from the, from the organism. So it's completely non-invasive, so no

burden for the patient, just a matter of minutes to get

the signals. So just from this perspective of being completely non-invasive, that's something

that I believe is just cool if

it brings enough interesting information, but that will, that we will know. So

yeah, so on, on this pragmatic level, having new biomedical technology

which can non-invasively tell the level of

the, say, biological stress, I think also it'd be useful in different

medical fields to monitor different interventions, medical interventions or

different interventions in whole, that could be useful. Now having this

huge database, you can now then nicely compare, okay, so this worked, so we do

see changes in this metric, let's say this oxidative stress. And

of course, also frankly speaking, as my, let's

say, personal research mission is really understanding of interaction

within the field and matter, one of

the important side effects will be increasing the awareness of this. I think

it really inspired many people, many new scientists, to think about

more broadly about the bioelectromagnetic phenomenon. And

I think that's maybe in the end more

important for this project, if you call it Biophoton IQ or

Biophotonic project. So that would be my biggest dream, that it really Everybody in the

world knows that organisms emit light

and start from that thinking further. I love it. I'm so

excited and congratulations to you and your team for coming up

with this idea and moving forward with it and,

you know, constructing it in a way that can involve truly

anyone who's committed and interested. That is, I

think, really exciting information and I know Our crowd is going

to be excited to participate and to follow along and to

keep learning more. So is there anywhere

where people should connect with you or follow you if they want to

maintain updates? I'm active on 8 social networks, but my primary one

is LinkedIn. Okay. It's a professional network. As I mentioned, this project is

not online yet. We like to assume we're going

to have first public presentation if it all works out in

Washington, D.C. in Quantum Biology Forum. Forum. It's still not

accepted abstract, but I believe organizers will accept

that. Okay. It's the first public thing, and by the time,

by April, hopefully we should have a website

online, and we'll start to build a network of interested people. After the

pilot study, we'll try to make this as far as possible, and we, when

we see promising data, we'll step up beyond the, let's say,

the Prague and go worldwide and Of course, people will be

very much interested. It will be very interesting to purchase the device. We can

make it faster because, you know, the funding will be bottlenecked for

a certain time. But that's, we'll wait to see how we, how we'll scale it.

We have different strategies how to do that, but we'll see depending on, let's

say, number of interested people and how committed they can

be to deliver the data. But they, but there is a device that they

could rent or purchase that will be able to This is so

cool because I— it must be very difficult right now because when you look for

photos online, there aren't very many, which led me to believe it's

quite hard to get to take them. So you're changing

that. Yeah, so again, again, this will be not making photos, it'll

be collecting. That's collecting the numbers, right? Could you then

create images out of the numbers? Um,

very, very coarse images if you like. Imagine like a

scanning detector. So yeah, light, you could basically scan and then

reconstruct, but it's, you know, very complicated. Okay, so important clarification.

So it's not a photo, it's— you're picking up the data points and

storing it numerically inside the device so people

can track the levels of emissions over time as someone

recovers or ages or gets ill, or if there was a change after a lifestyle

change or a certain intervention, you can measure if there is a

change. So exciting, so exciting. Thank you so much, Michal. Let me share the

excitement because I think it will be really, really big and impactful in a

positive way. I think so. Thank you. Thank you for coming up with

it. Thank you for your time today, and I look forward to

doing this again when we can hear

some updates. I will be happy to help. Thank you

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