1 00:00:03,280 --> 00:00:11,480 Venolan Naidoo: Hi everyone, I'm Venolan Naidoo and this is the next podcast episode on AI and the world of work. 2 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:17,280 This episode tackles when AI goes wrong at work, discipline, 3 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:22,000 data and defensibility. In the previous episode, if you recall, 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:27,760 I spoke about AI workforce literacy or AI workforce fluency as I like to call it, 5 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:30,320 as a board management level risk. 6 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:40,240 In this episode, I want to focus on what happens when organisations don't address it and how AI issues surface as 7 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:47,960 real workplace disputes. Because most organisations won't realise they have an AI problem until it lands on someone's 8 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:54,880 desk as a disciplinary issue. A data breach, an AI output relied upon that went wrong because it was not 9 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,440 properly checked or a legal challenge. 10 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,040 Discipline and procedural fairness. 11 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,920 The stuff that us Labour lawyers love to deal with. 12 00:01:05,320 --> 00:01:14,520 One of the most difficult questions organisations will face is this can disciplinary outcomes be defended when AI played 13 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:22,120 a role? We're already seeing situations where AI influences performance assessments. 14 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:30,760 We see it where AI assists in investigations, and we see it where employees rely on AI without clear 15 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:35,440 guidance. If an employee is disciplined in those circumstances, 16 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:43,040 the question becomes whether the process was fair, especially if the organisation never set clear rules around 17 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:49,200 AI use. AI complicates accountability, and decision makers, 18 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:56,040 especially a presiding officer in a hearing, will look closely at whether the employer created an 19 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:02,560 environment where AI use was properly governed and if it was underlyingly responsible. 20 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:11,950 Data confidentiality and POPIA risk is something else that many organisations do not realise is also important. 21 00:02:12,910 --> 00:02:15,790 It is a major risk with data protection. 22 00:02:16,310 --> 00:02:21,230 Employees using AI may unintentionally upload confidential information. 23 00:02:21,750 --> 00:02:27,270 They may expose personal data or trigger a cross-border data transfer, 24 00:02:27,430 --> 00:02:33,590 which has its own rules. When that happens, many organisations focus heavily on international AI 25 00:02:33,630 --> 00:02:38,590 frameworks while overlooking South African specific workforce risks. 26 00:02:38,630 --> 00:02:42,670 Under POPIA people, organisations don't necessarily know this, 27 00:02:42,670 --> 00:02:49,430 but POPIA applies to the use of AI systems, especially in workplace environments involving individuals. 28 00:02:50,030 --> 00:02:55,750 That gap creates exposure, particularly when employees were never properly guarded on, 29 00:02:55,750 --> 00:03:03,470 and it isn't acceptable. Sector specific realities, AI doesn't affect every sector in the same way. 30 00:03:03,750 --> 00:03:07,910 For example, industries like insurance, financial services, 31 00:03:08,070 --> 00:03:12,630 Professional services. Ai already influences outcomes there, 32 00:03:13,030 --> 00:03:18,550 from claims processing, assessments, recommendations and decision making. 33 00:03:19,070 --> 00:03:24,950 But the common thread is this AI is already being used in ways that affect people and outcomes. 34 00:03:25,270 --> 00:03:31,710 Without AI workforce literacy, these sector specific risks multiply exponentially. 35 00:03:32,190 --> 00:03:35,070 From training to diagnosable risk. 36 00:03:35,670 --> 00:03:39,590 And this isn't about AI training, per se. 37 00:03:40,110 --> 00:03:43,470 Organisations don't pay lawyers to teach people how to use tools. 38 00:03:44,150 --> 00:03:46,670 They pay for answers to hard questions. 39 00:03:47,390 --> 00:03:51,990 Are our AI influence decisions defensible from a legal standpoint? 40 00:03:53,430 --> 00:03:56,070 Are they workforce risk gaps that exist? 41 00:03:56,150 --> 00:04:02,230 Have we identified those and are we exposed from an employment or data protection perspective? 42 00:04:02,990 --> 00:04:06,350 These are the hard questions that organisations need to address. 43 00:04:06,790 --> 00:04:11,340 And that's why AI literacy needs to be treated as a diagnosable legal risk, 44 00:04:11,540 --> 00:04:15,260 not only an education exercise, which is, of course, important. 45 00:04:16,340 --> 00:04:24,260 This would innately require AI risk management exercises being conducted to identify the nature and level of risk. 46 00:04:24,780 --> 00:04:33,220 And then with this very critical information to begin with, education edifying a workforce for understanding the nuances 47 00:04:33,220 --> 00:04:37,620 of AI use and ultimately for better adaptation. 48 00:04:37,660 --> 00:04:44,500 Yes, it's about adaptation. In conclusion, AI won't wait for organisations to catch up. 49 00:04:45,260 --> 00:04:54,300 The choice is whether you address workforce issues with readiness proactiveness or manage the fallout 50 00:04:54,340 --> 00:05:01,820 reactively. In my view, proactive is the prevailing position to pursue, 51 00:05:02,140 --> 00:05:09,900 and I look forward to catching up on the next episode where we'll be talking on another AI topic and the world of work. 52 00:05:10,220 --> 00:05:10,860 See you then.