Tilly:

Hello and welcome back to Blabbering. This is now episode 11. My God, 11 already. This week you can expect to hear all things from resolution adjacent, farting through loose fanny flaps, a bit of nudie modeling, and of course, keeping the spark alive, so settle down and enjoy.

Dan 1:

Alrighty, so, week eleven? Twelve. It's twelve weeks now. Oh yeah, it's week twelve.

Tilly:

Well, we're on to months.

Dan 1:

On to months, we're finally on to three months. Baby girls like to watch the money. Quarter of a year? So it was about a year ago that you were conceived.

Tilly:

Oh yeah, it was. That was January. I don't know what we did in January. Well, we had sex in January, but Keeps us warm in a cold, cold house.

Dan 1:

Yeah. Got a whining dog downstairs, because he opened the door, and let all the cold air into the living room. Now he's not enjoyed it. Yeah, no actually, but that's him. We've got an incredibly bright eyed girl.

Tilly:

And a currently blurry eyed wife. That's how I'm feeling. I'm very tired today. Yes, I am. Mumma's tired. Yeah, I remember like when we're going for, we found out we're pregnant and obviously you go It's a doctor and, you know, they do all the tests and confirm you are pregnant. Lovely you are. Happy days. And they always say, oh, you know, what was the last, first day of your last period? Mine was New Year's Eve. And so like, okay, so that's what we'll date the pregnancy from. And I'm always like, yeah, but that's not what I conceived her, is it? Let's be honest. I wasn't having steps on the first day of my last period. And mine is so regular. It didn't really make much sense to me. So that always, that always irritated me about the Dating process, until you actually get the dating scan.

Dan 1:

Why was yours so regular? Do you know? No. No?

Tilly:

Like, so many things in women's female health, they go, that's just the way it is, and you go, that's really helpful. They go, it can be from this range to this range, and they go, cool, any reason? We don't know. Excellent. Oh, Suzanne. It's like when we're like, oh, why is it taking us a long time to conceive? They're like, we don't know, you're both perfectly healthy. And I was like, excellent. They're like, wait another two years, or three most carriages, and then we'll look into it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Dan 1:

That's a bit of a joke. So what do we have for dinner today?

Tilly:

Today we've got one of our pre baby freezer meals.

Dan 1:

Yeah, so this was a good thing that you did. Speak through that.

Tilly:

So before Bubba was born, I was fully aware that after she was born I wasn't going to be Fancy and cooking or at least cooking like, you know, long meals when they say like the most nutritious meals But I also wanted to make sure we had good food in so I did a little sort of cooking Frenzy in the week before she was born and filled up the freezer. We had Spag bowls, that's what we've got tonight We also had a creamy coconut lentil dal Stoked some of chilli some cottage pie filling I did some, at the time I did some energy balls and some cookies, but those are all gone I added a massive load of granola. Again, that absolutely got obliterated.

Dan 1:

The freezer food lasted a while, because we actually, you know, we managed to do a bit of cooking during that period.

Tilly:

Yeah, it wasn't as thought it was going to be.

Dan 1:

No, so it's quite handy to have days like today, where you're suddenly like, I'm just tired and I need food.

Tilly:

Yeah, I mean that's good for us, like, I stuck loads of vegetables into this bolognese. I love a processor. If I'm doing a big batch, I don't chop anything up, I just use a food processor. So onions, and carrots, and celery, and leeks, and garlic, and courgettes, and peppers, and mushrooms, and tomatoes, so, lots of vegetables. And then I do a mixture of both beef mince and lentils, so it's not all, it's not all beefy. It's not all meaty. It's not all beefy. It all helps the old milk supply, that's also why I made sure that all the meals I made were good for the milk supply.

Dan 1:

So it's important milk supply.

Tilly:

Yeah, baby Especially now we've had I've had my program come through for my trainer

Dan 1:

Yeah, let's talk about that briefly then

Tilly:

Yeah, so I signed on to this program with a trainer, basically she's going to be doing my postpartum training program and nutrition to go with that because although I've got a lot of experience in the gym, I don't experience training a postpartum body and I just wasn't sure where I should push myself to get better and where if I push myself too hard I'm just going to fuck myself over.

Dan 1:

Well especially considering milk supply.

Tilly:

Or, yeah, that as well, but I mean more just my body, like, my core's not there and stuff, so I don't want to actually injure myself.

Dan 1:

Yeah, so for example, you used to want to check if you've got

Tilly:

Diastasis recti?

Dan 1:

Yeah, just your abs being split like the red suit.

Tilly:

Yeah because they've been getting lower, like, lower back pain and things and that adrenaline which can be quite a good common sign a bit. And so yeah, she did that and then it also, sort of, a rough nutrition guidance around that. So I have enough, you know, protein, etc. to build muscle but also I've got enough calories that my milk supply is not going to drop while hopefully still building muscle and losing some fat. But I'm not really going to be focusing on losing the fat as much until after I finish. feeding her really. Well once she's started weaning it's different because she won't be so, you know, all her nutrition won't come from my boobs. Yeah. But until that point I can't risk my milk supply dropping because my milk supply tends to drop quite easily. I just can't, I'm gonna have to just be a bit chubbier for a while. That means baby gets fed. That's the most important thing.

Dan 1:

Chubby wifey gets you a chubby baby.

Tilly:

Yeah. So yeah, just doing that. I need to do my body measurements today. And then yeah, fill up my tummy for the separation. But you're about to get back to work.

Dan 1:

Yeah, so I've actually been off. For Christmas still, so today is actually, because we record this four weeks behind, so we're what is it, today is the 7th of January so I'm still about to go back post Christmas today and managed to lock myself out of my laptop, which is good fun, so it means that before my first day back, I'll have to log in and try and ring IT a bit early and unlock myself but. Yeah, I don't know what I'll be getting back to, what it'll be like. It's always a bit weird when you, so basically I forgot my password because I haven't been working for two weeks and that is always how it kind of feels, you just haven't been working for a while and you're like, oh, what's this? What's that? It just all feels a bit, so weird, isn't it? How it's just like a little bit, you forget how to work. Yeah, you forget how to work. Fuck knows what it's gonna be like for you after six months off. I know,

Tilly:

I had it confirmed that I'm getting my 10th. Kit days. Oh good. So we've set our dates for that. So yeah, so end of January I'll be doing sort of one day of work a week and then going back fully at the end of March. So it's quite nice that I get that sort of like slight ease into it. Yeah. Although my boss was saying I'm gonna regret asking for the 10, I'm gonna wish I only had five. So we'll see how it goes.

Dan 1:

Financially we won't.

Tilly:

Yeah financially we definitely won't. And I think mentally I won't stimulate, like I need the stimulation. As lovely as you are, darling daughter, you're not much conversation right now. Well you are starting to churn tobacco, doesn't it? Which is nice. I'm quite looking forward to that, but I do think I'm going to have forgotten how to work. And I'm also not looking forward to the massive amount of emails I'm going to have.

Dan 1:

I'll definitely just, like, delete

Tilly:

them. I mean, I probably will just speak to my boss and be like, What do I actually need to know? I'm going to look through for those emails. Also, I just think there's anything that

Dan 1:

I'll do I'll probably

Tilly:

not delete everything Mark has read.

Dan 1:

If anything's like three months, like older than three, four months, just bang that in a folder and just be like We've only been off for three months. Yeah, I know, but when you go back, you'll have been off for six. Not when I first get back. So

Tilly:

I'm gonna go back one day a week, I don't know.

Dan 1:

Maybe older than a month.

Tilly:

Not important. Last year, who cares?

Dan 1:

Yeah. Oh. Okay baby girl, let's check if she's got dirty nappies. We've got

Tilly:

a bit of a grizzly bubba. We didn't capitalise on her good time.

Dan 1:

Well it's always a real, like, it's a juggling act to try and We can't schedule babies. Oh fuck, it's a nappy. Yeah, it's trying to fucking get Food hot, baby happy, do all the set up. Because if anyone's thinking of sending up a podcast, by the way, it takes a while to set up all the gear. Unless you just buy the expensive stuff, if it does that. Even then, I'm not sure. Oh, it's a change complete. There you go. Back to trying to build a pot.

Tilly:

Yes. So, New Year resolutions. What are you thinking? I know we don't really do resolutions. That's probably

Dan 1:

what you're thinking. Yes, we do resolutions. You know, we're built for planning. I do think you need to find what it is like, ins and outs. Yeah, I've seen

Tilly:

that all over Instagram. Yeah, okay, so what's on your ins and outs then?

Dan 1:

Well, I guess he's just outside to the ball. Out with sugar in it for you? Out with sugar, a lot of

Tilly:

sugar, a lot of, I

Dan 1:

don't, I hadn't.

Tilly:

I'm gonna bring in cigarettes. But alcohol, I'm thinking. Yeah,

Dan 1:

we don't, I don't really have loads of things that, No, I already feel like this is just such a. It'd be like, I don't know, shit, you know, because if someone does that, I'll just change it, irrespective of the date. Oh,

Tilly:

I agree with you. That's what we're supposed to think about.

Dan 1:

Resolutions. I think that's special. Like, it's just, you know, it's just their own stuff, you know. There's always something new happening. It's still the thing. Oh, yeah. Because remember, a resolution never touches chocolate. Or some bullshit like that, like, just don't have, don't have, you know, don't have a mental bother with having to deal with bullshit resolutions. I'd rather take more

Tilly:

photos.

Dan 1:

That's the end. At least we're sure. I don't want to set a resolution on Earth you won't see. No,

Tilly:

but I guess we do set our goals, which are, we do actions, which, you know, aren't resolutions, they are resolution adjacent,

Dan 1:

I would say. Yeah, so we do something else, which is resolution adjacent. Do you like that? I do like it.

Tilly:

Ha ha ha ha ha. Oh, this is a massive fart. Sorry if you heard that one. That bubbled up through my fanny. I do that a lot more since having a baby, don't I? Because maybe I've got looser flaps. My farts bubble up a lot more through my fanny. I'm an old director. Well,

Dan 1:

even that old fart snuck up, but the old You don't Ha

Tilly:

ha ha ha ha. People are going to be like, Wow, I can really understand why I'm married to that woman. What a sexy lady. My wife

Dan 1:

is very sexy lady. You should spell married floppy flaps right now.

Tilly:

Floppy flaps. Floppy, floppy flaps. Why does it still look like Homer Simpson's mouth? That's the throwback, because that's what Dan's mouth, my Brad's used to look like.

Dan 1:

I won't spoon to the sarcasm. Smile for us. Nostalgius. Yeah. You wanted to know? Yeah. I mean you all No, no, I don't care. Alright, so

Tilly:

we talk about, we'll talk about resolution adjacent.

Dan 1:

Okay. And instead is you work out, I think life now been complaining. But there's just so much to do and stuff like that. I think that there's more options than there are. People get caught up trying to do more things than they can do more things. And so what we try and do is determine What are the roles, as it were, that we'd like to further by the end of the year? Like, by the end of the year, what do you think it would matter to us to improve? Yeah. And then, you'd set goals for the roles, wouldn't you set that? Goals for roles. The actual goals. We do.

Tilly:

So, like, our roles, what we do, might be things like, you know, parents. Spouses, family members, whatever, friends, that sort of thing. Then from that we determine how we want that. to be improved or maintained and in actions so that we know we want to at least maintain our level of relationship, hopefully improve it.

Dan 1:

Yes, I was actually listening to quite interesting it's actually that there would be the Raising Good Human podcast by It's a something, though it is a something. But very good podcast. He's class. I think French Jewish American sex therapist, I think her name's Esther Perel. Huh. What's very fascinating is that like all sex therapists, she's like fifty sixth in class. Less threatening. But also, years of experience, and like grandma's sort of like show off style.

Tilly:

You don't really give a shit about ADHD, do you know what I mean? You're like, far less embarrassed.

Dan 1:

But she's then also able to talk about things, tell a lot of stories, and relate it to it, and stuff like that. And, live on with her in, oh yeah, relationships. While we do say like, maintain sounds really rubbish, just try and maintain your relationship. It is more of the biggest stressor on the relationship. It's this phase. Yeah. And actually I didn't realize it's, but it's your, yeah. I don't know if this is just a women minute. I'll clarify the moment. It's food where your brain grows. The third, it's the third world's rapid state of brain growth. You have like. But the birth period. Yeah. The teenage period. I remember when you first become a parent now I say I don't know if it's Jeff's mother because as you discussed you're Supposedly the brain shrinks. Apparently, yeah. But I believe it's the both, both genders. The brain will start through the the most rapid growth and learning phase. I imagine so. Again, yeah, because it's the most stressful, it's the most stressful period. And so, there's a lot of stuff in terms with this, this, as well, thoughts about the fact that, you know, what you need to, you need to have somebody, well, I guess the, the issue is that. What makes a good parent is actually the opposite of often what makes for a very good interrelationship. She says that the the energy we need for being a parent in terms of being organized, being consistent, being you know, deliberate and all those sorts of like, sort of, father fourth parents are probably the traits. Yeah. Are the opposite from the sort of fun, spontaneous, erotic kind of traits. It's true. And so you need, you're, you always need to have somebody that come hell or high water. Make sure that you do those things so that you keep the, do, sorry, so that you fulfill that kind of paranormal, spontaneous or, or those things that kind of meant more erotic energy that were like, I don't know, going on date nights or like doing things that you know, you enjoy it and finding time that even whether The other place won't bother you, even if that's the only place that doesn't bother you. You gotta do those things, be it coffee, pipes, light lights, whatever it is. And, it's, it's said that like, from all, like, clinical time, that's one of the most important things, is that you always have to have somebody that, irrespective of whatever's going on, needs to be the person who, and it was quite interesting, sorry, needs to be the person who makes sure those things happen. And it was quite interesting because she was talking about the fact that, What can often happen is, there's one partner that ends up resenting the other partner, because They feel that they do the majority of the household and parental chores, and the other partner doesn't. And, and then, and, and because of the difference in the way the genders, like, enjoy intimacy, in terms of for women, it's Emotional intimacy first, in order to get in the physical intimacy. For men, those who think they're more tuned in the vulnerability, it's generally vulnerability is that for a man, the physical intimacy is being vulnerable, whereas for women it's must be emotional intimacy first. And so, again, it's all about the fact that. What can happen is that often the woman in the relationship finds that he's doing the vast majority of the household, and Parental chores, well, responsibilities, and she then feels it's all stated in his own thought and then when he kind of comes back and wants kind of the intimate, she just thinks he just wants sex, whereas to him, that is how he's intimate, but to her, she's intimate for emotion, and so it's kind of trying to achieve the same thing.

Tilly:

It's not great evolution, is it, really?

Dan 1:

No. And therefore you need that one person that's irrespective of the fact that somebody might be like I'm fucked off with you because all I've done is clean up clothes and take kids to school and your proxy girl goes fine, whatever, we're going out for a date night tonight, don't care what you think. That's

Tilly:

what you're thinking right now.

Dan 1:

Try and keep that kind of, keep that

Tilly:

going. I think that's true. I think you need to make sure you're both putting in those times. Because you're right, there's going to be points where both parties resent the other person for different reasons, isn't there? I think. And they might be, they might be longer lasting, it might be fleeting, but it's bound to happen at times. Resentment always sounds really extreme. Like resentment doesn't have to be like some like, awful massive thing. I mean,

Dan 1:

like, you look at the amount of content there is now. One part of it being alongside the other. That is all, that is based on resentment, and you, you, you resent the fact that your partner is complaining about something when you believe they should be less tired than you are. Yeah. It doesn't need to be like a long term resentment, it can just be a sort of flash in the park. Yeah. I'll dare you to say that you're tired, given that I did this or that or that work. And, you know, I think it's just the fact that you can both be tired parents as well. And one thing to just say, while I'm tired, and just completely generally, it's another thing to use it as an excuse. And Both parents should be allowed to say I'm tired, irrespective of who got the most sleep or whatever. But neither parent should necessarily be able to use it as an excuse, unless it's really fucking bad. God, I've always Especially this stage. Yeah. Sorry, I cut you off while you were talking about resentment. No, I was just saying, I think resentment is natural. It's gonna happen. But I think it's, you don't

Tilly:

wanna let it brew. Don't let it feed. I think you have to sort of like, let yourself in and let it go. But like, I think you just have to, I think you have to give a lot of grace, have a lot of grace during this period, don't you? Some of the time

Dan 1:

we're unknown for.

Tilly:

Yes, but I think it's really important at this stage to sort of go, Yeah, that's not ideal, that might piss me off, but you know what? Neither of us is functioning at our best right now. We're both learning, because everything's new all the time. And, you know, neither party's done this before. And even when it's not your first child, that'll be the same, because You know, apparently you might have never parented multiple children before, and that's, that'll be a whole other challenge when it comes. So I think parenting in general involves a lot of grace when it comes, if you want to maintain that

Dan 1:

relationship.

Dan Ep11 clear:

I mean, it, it it you a lot about yourself as well because, you know, you people do this. Like people have been fasting.

Tilly Ep11 clear:

fasting

Dan Ep11 clear:

for spiritual enlightenment for years, because they find that, I guess, from when I fasted, I've become not necessarily for spiritual reasons or whatever, but people have done it for spiritual reasons or for spiritual enlightenment. People do it because they find that it brings them more in line with that, guess love version of themselves because you're more cranky, you're more irritable. You feel a bit more like pity me or I'm, you know, something's been done wrong against me or this is so unjust, this is so unfair kind of stuff.

Tilly Ep11 clear:

Yeah.

Dan Ep11 clear:

And reality is, and, and, and that, and during those periods, because, because you turn up the, your sensitivity up, the periods where you're then in a more reflective mode. You can now see those elements of character traits that you don't like as much. I it's, the same is true with sleep, and that basically you're going through a period of almost like involuntary sleep fasting. When you first have a baby, you, you know, you end

Tilly Ep11 clear:

up,

Dan Ep11 clear:

you end up getting less one, less total sleep, less quality sleep and less

Tilly Ep11 clear:

for a nap.

Dan Ep11 clear:

sleep times as it were, you might end up sleeping a lot during the day if you're napping or you might, you know, these sorts of things. And so I just think that, you know, the fact is it's. It is a great teacher in that regard, because if you are willing to be reflective, that you've turned your sensitivity right up because of the fact that you've got so much less sleep.

Tilly Ep11 clear:

You are

Dan Ep11 clear:

up being a lot more, I

Tilly Ep11 clear:

doesn't matter, not so much. You just end up, I guess, sensitive to people. has been massive, I know that, you know, obviously you physically feel better as well. but that's just magnified since becoming a parent. Like, the Days where I go, to the gym or, you know, and go for good walks and stuff versus the days where I don't, huge difference, whereas before that was,

Dan Ep11 clear:

I

Tilly Ep11 clear:

I guess,

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more mellow

Tilly Ep11 clear:

I think it definitely does, it magnifies things.

Dan Ep11 clear:

Yeah, I think, yeah, definitely. Sensitivity effectively goes up, so it magnifies it, I agree. And so in that regard, it teaches you a lot about yourself, but if

Tilly Ep11 clear:

sometimes, if

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willing to admit

Tilly Ep11 clear:

willing, you know, that can be

Dan Ep11 clear:

if you're not willing to admit that you're not,

Tilly Ep11 clear:

it can

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You know that you're wrong sometimes, that can be quite, or you can end up with a bit of a

Tilly Ep11 clear:

a bit of time. No. Jealous.

Dan Ep11 clear:

From one boob to the other now. I don't, I don't. No? No. That's good, I don't, I don't despise you yet either. I need a flash. Yeah. I'm not a very long laughter. Jealousy.

Tilly Ep11 clear:

Yeah, probably what I do, yeah, Jealousy and Resentment, I don't know. I guess they're kind of sisters, aren't they?

Dan Ep11 clear:

Yeah.

Tilly Ep11 clear:

This all stemmed from our Resolution of Jason talk, didn't it?

Dan Ep11 clear:

Yeah, I did. This is how, this is, this is why we can talk for so long, because we just go down trains of association. Yeah. Where were we with the resolution of Jason? Why was this relevant?

Tilly Ep11 clear:

just saying, I just brought a

Dan Ep11 clear:

Oh yeah.

Tilly Ep11 clear:

We do like, year planning, don't we?

Dan Ep11 clear:

we went on. The aim is to try and keep the relationship at least the same. At

Tilly Ep11 clear:

to at least maintain it, hopefully improve it. And so I was saying, you know, one of the goals I would set for us is that once we're both back in work, so both back, or not so both back, both earning, so when you're on parental, you've still got a good amount of money coming in, and I'm back at work,

Dan Ep11 clear:

got a

Tilly Ep11 clear:

We'd like to start couples therapy, not because anything is particularly wrong,

Dan Ep11 clear:

is such a

Tilly Ep11 clear:

but we've always, we've wanted to do couples therapy for a long time. Not going all shit together about it, but I think now is the time where it's really worth that investment because like we've just spoken about, this is such a massive change in our relationship and strain at times. I mean, absolutely glorious part of our relationship, but tough and our relationship is a bit different, our relationship now. You know, previously, you were my priority.

Dan Ep11 clear:

like, isn't it, isn't it?

Tilly Ep11 clear:

you're still, you're still a priority, but you're not my top priority.

Dan Ep11 clear:

Well, yeah, so this is, again, something that I've spoken to about, like, with my friends. It's a very weird change in your period of life, because, previously, You were neurotic because the thing that you cared most about was the other person and the thing they likely, hopefully, cared most about was you. So between the two of you, you would either write or you would forgive. You know, so you'd either, if somebody was to do something, they would either be trying to do something nice for you or they would unthinkingly something that annoyed you, but you being, realizing that they're doing it for your best intentions can forgive as it were. Whereas now, your greatest

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priority

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is

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A little parasite.

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a little parasite and you both have a load of learned behaviors and because

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it's not like

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happening to you.

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not as likely to if that makes sense, Yeah. because like, you know,

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you know, if someone wronged me, but I,

Tilly Ep11 clear:

like,

Dan Ep11 clear:

I know they, you know, we're trying to do something right or

Tilly Ep11 clear:

year. Yeah. You know, I'm very

Dan Ep11 clear:

and I'm very, if, because it's probably not been that damaging. Whereas, you know, let's say

Tilly Ep11 clear:

baby, one. So it

Dan Ep11 clear:

was to happen or whatever.

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Baby

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my priority. I think, how could you have let that happen?

Tilly Ep11 clear:

Yeah, yeah. Versus,

Dan Ep11 clear:

Had it happened, had you done something like that to me, I'd have been more likely to find, sort of, softer Okay, well, let's just not do it next time.

Tilly Ep11 clear:

Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, I think this is definitely a good time to start couples therapy. Just to be, I think, I think it's having that third party, that checking in point, isn't it? Just be like, once a fortnight, having that time. And also, you know, it's not a date night, but it is time that's focused on us. Not Barbara.

Dan Ep11 clear:

Yeah.

Tilly Ep11 clear:

You know.

Dan Ep11 clear:

I mean, we can always make it part of Date Night, can't we? Yeah.

Tilly Ep11 clear:

it's time that's focused on us, not her. I mean, obviously, it comes into it because I imagine a lot of things to work with how she's impacted our relationship. But I want to make that investment this year because I think we're both very aware of things that, you know, can go wrong. And I don't feel like hardly shit's going wrong, but I just, I think things can slowly drift without you realising. And then before you realise it. I think

Dan Ep11 clear:

Sorry, she sounded like she'd vomited.

Tilly Ep11 clear:

but she kept it in her mouth, so I think she swallowed it. She does it quite a lot.

Dan Ep11 clear:

Vomiting on the nipple but keeping it in your mouth. Ah, it's glamorous this shit. It's glamorous.

Tilly Ep11 clear:

Oh, talking about glamorous. Shall we touch on the

Dan Ep11 clear:

how are we finished with?

Tilly Ep11 clear:

do it? Have you got more to say? Carry on, say more.

Dan Ep11 clear:

No, no, if we finish that line of conversation, I'm happy to be finished. I just don't want to stim it because it's, because we were talking, because

Tilly Ep11 clear:

I mean, maybe we do another podcast on our planning. Maybe that's a whole episode and it's enough. Let us know, guys. Do you want to hear about how we plan our lives? I think that says highly successful people, but are we? I don't know. I think we're like, relatively successful people.

Dan Ep11 clear:

Yeah, people think we've got our shit together and then they come look at our house and they're like, fuck it, I don't

Tilly Ep11 clear:

Which way does that house Do you still look in this room?

Dan Ep11 clear:

Yeah, just lock away the room that

Tilly Ep11 clear:

boys. Everyone's got a shit room or a shit cupboard. That's life. If you don't, I don't trust you quite frankly. everyone's got a drawer of crap in their kitchen. Everyone. And you really sort it out like once every four years, maybe? And you're like, oh look, there's those 50 million lighters. Birthday candles. so this week, me and Baby did life modelling.

Dan Ep11 clear:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. So that was quite a big thing. You know, cause obviously for you the whole kind of your body post pregnancy and, and go into terms with that.

Tilly Ep11 clear:

Yeah. Yeah. So I think

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Very proud of you for

Tilly Ep11 clear:

of myself actually. Yeah. So in the past I struggled quite a lot with,

Dan Ep11 clear:

What

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body image and sort of, I dunno whether I'd ever fully gone into eating disorders, but definitely disordered eating for, for, for about 10 years of my life really. I'm sort of 15 to 25, I would say. Things got a lot better once I started dating you. So it definitely was tapering off from sort of 21, 22. Well, no, this is true though. Having the love of a good man, and a man who's not. Aesthetically minded,

Dan Ep11 clear:

Yeah.

Tilly Ep11 clear:

What's a massive factor in that? And your confidence, I always loved it. From the first moment I met you, I loved how confident you were just walking around in your pants. You just didn't give a, you didn't give a crap. Like, the first time you came to my mum's house, you came downstairs for breakfast and was just in your pants. And you know,

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like,

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and my mum were there, and my sister, and they were like, oh!

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I don't think I had breakfast in my

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Oh no, you wear pyjama bottoms but no top. Is that how

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Is that how I ate

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it?

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Ballsy, alrighty. I thought I'd gone down to my boxes to get something or go to the toilet or whatever but I didn't.

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definitely ate breakfast toppings, but I think pyjama bottoms on. It was a summer.

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Yeah, fair enough. I just think that's a bit bit rude really, but never mind. ha.

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I didn't mind. I think my granny quite liked it.

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ha.

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She liked your legs. She did comment on your legs when she was a bit drunk on kava.

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Yep.

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But yeah, so like my, I've, you know, struggled with body image for a long time. Gotten a lot better over the last couple of years. But then obviously like pregnancy is just a whole nother ballgame when it comes, because my body's changed completely. It looks very, very different to what it looked like before.

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Yeah, so let's talk about waist size. So what was your waist before?

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had 26 waist, generally

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Then what did it go to when you were pregnant at one point?

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wasn't four. I didn't measure it or something. Holiday. And then I definitely grew after that.

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And then now what do you think you roughly are?

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I'll find out in a minute, measure myself when I reckon I'm over 30.

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it's quite high still. I don't know. I don't, I don't, you might be just over, but I don't think you'll be much over.

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a lot bigger than used to.

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Yeah. But when you first

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So my ribcage expands when you're pregnant. So my ribcage still hasn't come back. Lots of things haven't moved, won't be moved back yet. So I wouldn't be surprised if it's over 30. Yeah, so before I had like, you know, small waist and stomach, that wasn't where I kept my weight. I was sort of an hourglass shape. And I still, you know, to some degree, that's the shape I am. But I never had a stomach and things before. So now I've got this, like, I'm bigger everywhere, which is fair enough. You know, I put on my Everest, I've got bigger limbs and all that sort of stuff. Bigger a big bigger bum. But I've also got I've got a bigger stomach, which I've never had before. And I'm like, what? For one, I'm like, how the fuck do you dress for that? I don't know how to dress for it. So it's sort of figuring out a new body to dress for. Obviously, my normal clothes don't fit me, which doesn't make me feel great. I've got stretch marks all over my lower belly, which I'm not, I don't mind too much.

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first

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the thing I'm least bothered by. but obviously it's all just differences in your body shape. And so, I have good days, and bad days, you know. I fully believe that my body is amazing and I'm very proud of what it's done and what it's still doing by feeding our daughter. But I don't necessarily feel attracted in the body that I'm in currently. And So we were thinking the other day because, I'm now on, going down to sort of my statutory maternity pay, which as anyone who's been on maternity would know is not very much at all.

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It did a bit of

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And so money is tight for the next few months and that's fine, we knew that coming up to this. But we were sort of looking at the way about, you know, what are some easy ways we can make some money now sort of, well actually I've done, a bit of life on the past. I could do that I generally put in a little bit of money, and if I can get sort of one of those every week or so,

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talk to for

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that's like another 50 quid or so coming in.

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And so I

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of, sent some emails around, and got a response really quickly from a place round the corner from us,

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me, so that's what I

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looking for someone, and so, that's what I did last week, and I did it with Bubba, so I got, you know, me naked breastfeeding. wow.

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don't think that'll have been quite interesting, because obviously they've got more people to draw.

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Yeah, it was interesting, they were all very grateful for it, you know, they were sort of, you know. Thank you for being let into something that's so intimate. But what was funny, and what I hadn't thought about, was that sort of one of the we did a few really short poses to begin with.

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one's up. Yeah.

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So sort of one minute, two minute poses. At the beginning I was sort of standing up, holding, holding bubs, and didn't think about the fact that. obviously I was about to feed her, so my boobs were quite full. And then having that skin on skin contact with her that my boobs just started

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It

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So I was just standing there and I could just feel all this milk just running down my stomach and then down my legs and it's going like in between. It's like going into my crotch and I was just like, this feels delightful. You're trying to stand still because there's people

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was

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And I was like, oh, and I'm holding Bubba next to me and it's just all like, and She's getting all wet. Milk squirting down her and So that was fun. And then on one of the longer poses, I was feeding her for a while. And sometimes, you know, she'll do a little bit of sick up, which is not a massive amount, just a little bit, when she's, like, breastfeeding and, you know, milk will dribble out of her mouth and stuff. So as I'm feeding, her,

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feel it with

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like, dribbly wet stuff seeping down my puddle and seeping through my bum. So, yeah. But

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I'm very proud of you for doing it, because it was confrontational, and she was great. You know, she, she needed a nappy change once, twice. She fed when, well, she didn't feed when she was meant to feed, but she did some of the times, but she was silent. She didn't kick off. She didn't. Yeah. So I guess highs, lows, and funnies.

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I think my high would probably be the life drawing, actually. Yeah? Good. So far I've already covered that, really. Tick, tick. Yeah. just I think that was a good moment. Like, I was,

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Yeah.

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sort of signed up to it and decided I just wouldn't think about it much because I knew if I thought about it too much I'd chicken out. So I was like, ah, fuck it, it's not really happening, I'm just not going to think

Dan Ep11 clear:

So I went with you so that I could, you know, if, if baby just really wasn't having it, I could always take baby home.

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would just do solo.

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Solo was solo whilst he wouldn't have her. And then I but, and so I just kind of sat there working on the laptop, perving away in the corner.

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In the,

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I did not, that would have been vastly inappropriate. And.

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but

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On the way into the building, you suddenly went, Oh my gosh, what have I got myself into? Oh, can I really do this? And I was like, yeah, yeah, go on. Let's just get in the door. Let's just get on with it.

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yeah, thankfully it was warm. So bit horrible If it was cold, but I had like a plastic chair to sit on, I think I might bring a cushion or something. Next time it's a bit nicer to sit on because I did feel like when I caught it, it was like, you know, sort of stuck to it slowly.

Dan Ep11 clear:

What about Lowe's then?

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Lows. Ow. Ooh, my horrible nipple thing was pretty gross, wasn't it?

Dan Ep11 clear:

Oh yeah, that's something to talk about. So what's

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A big ol posse spot

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bleb. It's like a big old pussy spot, innit? Yeah.

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and it sort of like got bigger and bigger and was getting soarer and soarer, wasn't it? But I was always told not to pop them. And then it sort of popped by itself.

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Well, she popped it.

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Yeah.

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She was sucking boobie and managed to suck

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thankfully didn't get anything. Ooh, she just sicked up. It's alright, I caught it on my jumper. I'm just This

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wimp. What was I gonna

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you get greedy. Oh, sorry, Bubba. One second, let me just clean you up. Let's put this nice cardigan in the wash. Right, there you go. I was saying, yes it's all got potty, so we need to clean it out. But my god, so much, sorry if you're all disgraced out so much stuff came out of it didn't it? Poor.

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pussing and pussing.

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so

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then you had to try and, you know, it kept getting sore and kept having to be cleaned up. Then it would get dirty again because she would obviously keep getting her mouth on it. And

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when she's having to pull up her boob at the top, that top bit of boob is being pulled out of her mouth, so she's sucking more on the

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I guess if we clarified where it was, because it's, it's just, it was a pore effectively above your nipple. Well, on your nipple, on your areola, just above your nipple. So it goes into, it went into her mouth usually, didn't it? Or is it? And so it just meant that it was quite, it was quite difficult to get it to heal, wasn't it? How is it doing now?

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right now it's still like, it's still healing, it's still, you can still see it, but it's, it looks, it looks pretty closed over and alright now. There, that's probably my, no, it wasn't like an awfully bad low, but it was pretty sore, and not very nice.

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No, I can imagine.

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I should have, I knew I had to clean it out. Ugh,

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Yeah.

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I was either asking anyone out, that's when you've got to do something yourself, or you won't push as hard, but it hurts yourself because it's naturally your body doesn't want you to do it. But I knew it kind of needed a bit of digging and cleaning out. I'll go and get some water and some cotton.

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Yeah,

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Get it dug out. And

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it a good, a good

Tilly Ep11 clear:

that really helped the failure of our relationship. Okay, so that's my high and my low. My funny, I guess. Oh, I don't know. She's done some really funny sort of like little facial expressions and things this week. I did I end up being and fatty related. So try and keep that for Oh, bless you. I'm more enjoyed hearing about her now. Grabbing your nipple hair,

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Yeah.

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feel like that's like, I'm like, yeah, good. Your dad deserves to get some nipple grabbing as well because she loves to scratch and grab up nipple with her sharp little talons. So now I'm like, now you understand this.

Dan Ep11 clear:

I I feel like it's like, I don't want to say it's worse than yours, because it's different. I'm not saying it is, let me clarify. I think it's a different pain than yours, because I get some of the lower level of pain that you have of the sort of scratchiness, because she scratches, clenches, and pulls, so when she clenches she gets loads of the nipple hair, and then pulls.

Tilly Ep11 clear:

I get that

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scratch that you get. Then the clench and the pull.

Tilly Ep11 clear:

pull because she pulls my nipple.

Dan Ep11 clear:

Yeah, I guess so. So, like I said, I'm not saying it's worse, I'm saying I think it's a bit different.

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You go, now yours.

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I think Hai, I've enjoyed that she's started talking. She now, like, chunts

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obviously. I like some genius baby. She doesn't like to jump to it when I speak.

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she's not talking. She's chuntering. Like, you can,

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communicate.

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so

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I would just say,

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Well, I'll just sit there watching

Tilly Ep11 clear:

we've met, she

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The Basketball Last Chance You on Netflix. She loves chuntering along while Coach Mosley's screaming and shouting at all his players. She'll just be chuntering along. And lo,

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And

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I know, There was a moment that I was

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closed for a month. We've

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fucked off of everything. Probably just trying to, loads probably just setting up mics and stuff

Ian:

Three moments from earlier in the episode

Dan 1:

your own life

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all

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coming up blue over there. Alright then switch to the Pel mics track. Fucking hate this shit.

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Yeah, no, no, no. Popping off his lapel mic.

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worried that my lapel mic's not on now.

Tilly Ep11 clear:

Turn all your mics off. That'll be good.

Dan Ep11 clear:

Yeah, it has been off. I don't know for how long it's a fucking episode.

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did you post the mics off?

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I definitely had this one off for some of it.

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Well, we'll find out in post production. This might be the letter of the week. I'm

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most weeks I

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I'm probably going to hold the mic now I'm going to slide

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Honestly, this is an impossibility.

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So

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an absolute miracle as any episode. Between me not being able to fucking work mics. Yeah. And then, I guess my funny was I, so, often when I'm kind of trying to calm her and get her to, to calm down, my standard procedure is firstly, check her nappy. if that's not the case, kind of rock her a bit and, and often I'll sort of hold her in front of me and look at her and sometimes by doing some smiling and some looks you can kind of get her to calm down and giving her, you know, it's holding her up, down, up, down, sometimes she then comes down. And so I've got her basically at eye level. And because I've got her in both my hands, what I'll often do if she's still crying, is just put my nose in her mouth to see if she then sucks that and therefore she's hungry. But I did it the other day, and she had been crying so much. Well, no, sorry, her teeth is, well, we think she's teething. So she

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I think she's like at the precipice. At the precipice. So she goes,

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so she started drooling now. And so she has a lot more drool in her mouth. So I went to do that to check she's hungry. And she just kept crying and just ended up filling my, well, she did then start sucking. So I ended up getting loads of saliva from the nostrils. And having a really weird, wet, runny nose. That was it. A very funny, weird funny, and I was like, Oh, I've brought that completely upon myself. That is what that is.

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was I? What do you want to do? What do you want to do at the end? Ok, I think we've chopped off. When my

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do, do you want to do the intro, the scat chat?

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trying to visit my Somewhere I want to

Dan Ep11 clear:

okay so here we go we've got one so when my son was about nine months so this sorry this is from found a article called romper this is I think the child's called you know when my son was about nine months old I took him on a ride about 20 minutes To visit my grandmother who lived in assisted living. Somewhere along the way, he had a major blowout. It was all the way up to his neck and all over his car seat.

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we

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When we got to my grandmother's parking lot, I laid him in the back seat of my car on a blanket to try and clean him up. And he was tossing and turning and thrashing,

Tilly Ep11 clear:

spreading everywhere. I was a

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everywhere.

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town

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was a frazzled mess the entire time my grandmother was over my shoulder,

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the car. I just had to get

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see the baby, she wouldn't back off for five seconds. It was a disaster. So that's got a funny one. And then we've got another funny one here. So Terry Lynn. One night, not sure of the age of Terry Lynn, One night, my daughter kept crying and crying and crying. But whenever I went to her, there was nothing wrong as far as I could tell. She wasn't hungry or wet, but she wanted up. Finally, her dad said, Just let her cry.

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go.

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See if she goes back to

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to sleep. And she did.

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slept the whole rest of the night. When I went in to get her the next morning, her shiny, smiling little self was covered in poop from head to toe,

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as

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as well as a sizable part of her crib,

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ha

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because she'd smeared it there like the little monkey she

Tilly Ep11 clear:

Yeah. Fuck you for letting me all sleep all night. Here you go. Oh, goodness. Anyway, I think that's it for

Dan Ep11 clear:

Ah, madness. Anyway, I think that's it from us.

Tilly Ep11 clear:

week of you going back to work and we've got Great Granny Katie first. Oh, indeed. That was,

Dan Ep11 clear:

That was one hell of a show. All the interruptions as per usual. Toodaloo!

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Oh, we're still recording, I

Dan Ep11 clear:

Yeah, I'm tired of stopping. We usually sign off. There we go. Bye!

Tilly Ep11 clear:

Bye!

Tilly:

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