Have you ever felt that people just don't understand what you
Jon Clayton:do or have struggled to explain your complex services to prospective clients?
Jon Clayton:If people can't understand what you do, they won't value it.
Jon Clayton:If they don't value it, they won't pay as much for it, which means that
Jon Clayton:you miss out on sales opportunities.
Jon Clayton:Your work deserves to be better understood.
Jon Clayton:Podcasting is one of the best ways to communicate what you do and why you do it.
Jon Clayton:This is just one of the reasons that you should get into podcasting, and
Jon Clayton:there are loads of other benefits too.
Jon Clayton:I share more in this episode of Architecture Business Club, the
Jon Clayton:weekly podcast for small firm founders who want to build their
Jon Clayton:dream business in architecture and enjoy more freedom, flexibility,
Jon Clayton:and fulfillment in what they do.
Jon Clayton:I'm John Clayton, your host, and I know that building an architecture
Jon Clayton:business can feel hard, especially if you're a sole practitioner.
Jon Clayton:The good news is that you don't have to do it alone.
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Jon Clayton:Okay, so let's find out how podcasting could benefit you and your business.
Jon Clayton:Hey everyone.
Jon Clayton:Thank you for tuning into the episode today.
Jon Clayton:Today we are talking all about podcasting.
Jon Clayton:I. How meta is that?
Jon Clayton:We're, we're on a podcast and we're talking about podcasting I'm, I'm hugely
Jon Clayton:passionate about podcasting, but I'd love to share some of the reasons why you
Jon Clayton:might consider getting into podcasting.
Jon Clayton:Some of the, the benefits for you and your business, and there are
Jon Clayton:a lot of benefits from podcasting.
Jon Clayton:Podcasting is a brilliant way to build trust with strangers,
Jon Clayton:and this is so important that.
Jon Clayton:If you're connecting with people and you are trying to secure new
Jon Clayton:clients, they need to trust you.
Jon Clayton:It's so important to do that.
Jon Clayton:Podcasting's, a great way to do this, can help you attract more
Jon Clayton:of the right clients and repel the wrong clients by communicating
Jon Clayton:what you do and why you do it.
Jon Clayton:It's a really great way to get more of the right clients to connect
Jon Clayton:with you, but it can also generate.
Jon Clayton:Other opportunities.
Jon Clayton:It's not just about attracting better clients.
Jon Clayton:It can generate unexpected opportunities that you, you might not foresee.
Jon Clayton:It could be opportunities to talk on another podcast.
Jon Clayton:You might have opportunities for collaborations with other businesses,
Jon Clayton:other organizations that have heard about your work, what you do through a podcast
Jon Clayton:interview that you've taken part in.
Jon Clayton:Could be the opportunity to, to speak at a conference or an event.
Jon Clayton:So there's all sorts of exciting things that can come through podcasting.
Jon Clayton:It's a great way to build your authority and credibility so that you can become
Jon Clayton:a trusted voice in your industry.
Jon Clayton:Also, to become more visible People talk a lot about the importance of building
Jon Clayton:your personal brand these days and featuring on podcast interviews or having
Jon Clayton:a podcast is an amazing way to do that.
Jon Clayton:It also gives you a platform to share your expertise, your experiences, and your
Jon Clayton:stories, all of which is helping people to connect with you on a very personal level.
Jon Clayton:It gives you currency to exchange.
Jon Clayton:If you have your own podcasts, like, an interview-based podcast such as this
Jon Clayton:one, that it's actually really valuable for the guests that come on the show.
Jon Clayton:Like every guest that comes on this show, they're getting free pr.
Jon Clayton:They're getting a really high quality podcast episode that they can then
Jon Clayton:share with their own audience.
Jon Clayton:There are often promotional assets like graphics and video
Jon Clayton:clips that you are not having to spend time or money in producing.
Jon Clayton:And actually you can, Leverage that by guesting on a variety of different shows.
Jon Clayton:And in fact, some people's whole podcasting strategy is just around being
Jon Clayton:a guest on other people's podcasts.
Jon Clayton:So it doesn't necessarily have to be that you launch your own show.
Jon Clayton:I. You get the opportunity to have amazing conversations with people
Jon Clayton:from all over, like potentially people that normally they wouldn't
Jon Clayton:have the time of day to talk to you.
Jon Clayton:But because you've got this currency to exchange, uh, inviting them on your
Jon Clayton:podcast, you get to have conversations with some incredible people and there's.
Jon Clayton:Almost unlimited opportunities to repurpose that content.
Jon Clayton:If you also record the video there's so much content that
Jon Clayton:can be pulled out from a single.
Jon Clayton:Podcast interview.
Jon Clayton:So one recording could be an audio podcast.
Jon Clayton:It could be a video version on YouTube.
Jon Clayton:You could have short video clips that you share on LinkedIn
Jon Clayton:and Instagram and TikTok.
Jon Clayton:You can pull out quotes.
Jon Clayton:You can pull out key takeaways and learnings for carousel posts
Jon Clayton:that you post out on your social media platform of choice, blog
Jon Clayton:articles, monthly newsletters.
Jon Clayton:The op opportunities are endless.
Jon Clayton:The other thing is.
Jon Clayton:Podcasting's.
Jon Clayton:Cool.
Jon Clayton:Like even my kids think so.
Jon Clayton:So your street credibility is gonna go up if you are like, Hey, did
Jon Clayton:you know that I'm now a podcaster?
Jon Clayton:But there are a lot of myths and misconceptions around podcasting.
Jon Clayton:Um, I'm gonna just quickly run through some of those with you.
Jon Clayton:So one of them is that you need fancy, expensive equipment.
Jon Clayton:That's not really true.
Jon Clayton:Like you, you need a microphone.
Jon Clayton:Quality does matter, but it doesn't cost a fortune.
Jon Clayton:You can get a really good mic that for most podcasters, would be more than
Jon Clayton:suitable for less than a hundred dollars.
Jon Clayton:Headphones and recording software you'd need.
Jon Clayton:But other than that, that's pretty much it in terms of the equipment
Jon Clayton:that you need to get started.
Jon Clayton:Another myth is that you have to be a podcasting expert before you
Jon Clayton:start, before you launch a show.
Jon Clayton:That isn't true.
Jon Clayton:This is something where you can learn as you grow, and actually that can be
Jon Clayton:something that can hold you back from getting started, so it's better just to
Jon Clayton:get started and improve things as you go.
Jon Clayton:You have to be a subject matter expert to talk on a podcast.
Jon Clayton:Again, this isn't true that there is value in your experiences.
Jon Clayton:You are the experts of your own experiences and your experiences,
Jon Clayton:your stories, that lived experience that you've had is valuable.
Jon Clayton:People want to hear those stories.
Jon Clayton:They want to hear the stories behind the work that you do.
Jon Clayton:So you don't have to feel like you have to be a guru to have a podcast or talk
Jon Clayton:on a podcast or to be a podcast guest.
Jon Clayton:That is just not true.
Jon Clayton:You are a person of value already.
Jon Clayton:You've got all sorts of valuable things that you could be talking
Jon Clayton:about and sharing on a podcast.
Jon Clayton:Another myth is that you.
Jon Clayton:You have to have your own podcast to benefit from podcasting.
Jon Clayton:I've mentioned this already, that there's a lot of benefits from being
Jon Clayton:a podcast guest and in fact that is the whole strategy that some people
Jon Clayton:use around podcasting, that they never actually launch their own show,
Jon Clayton:that their whole podcasting strategy.
Jon Clayton:It's about guesting on other people's podcasts and getting in front of
Jon Clayton:other people's existing audiences.
Jon Clayton:And if you're interested in learning more about podcast guesting, go back
Jon Clayton:and check out episode 51 from this show, how to Be a Brilliant Podcast
Jon Clayton:Guest so that you can nail the podcast interview with Colin Gray.
Jon Clayton:That was a really great conversation with Colin, and it gives you everything
Jon Clayton:that you need to get started on that.
Jon Clayton:Another myth is that your podcast has to make money to be successful.
Jon Clayton:You can define your own version of success, like the success
Jon Clayton:metrics for your podcast.
Jon Clayton:It, it doesn't have to be that this has to make money to be deemed a success.
Jon Clayton:That isn't my version of success for podcasting.
Jon Clayton:It doesn't have to be yours either.
Jon Clayton:People often think that the tech and software is really complicated.
Jon Clayton:It can be, but it doesn't have to be.
Jon Clayton:There are lots of options out there for you.
Jon Clayton:There is software that makes podcasting much easier than it used to be, and help
Jon Clayton:is much closer at hand than you realize.
Jon Clayton:There are lots of people that are able to help you with podcasting, and
Jon Clayton:there's lots of resources available online as well, many of which are free.
Jon Clayton:Another myth is that you have to publish weekly episodes.
Jon Clayton:That is just not true.
Jon Clayton:Like it's entirely up to you what the publishing schedule is.
Jon Clayton:So whether you choose to publish a Cap capsule podcast, which is a fully self
Jon Clayton:encapsulated limited series, so it's, bit like the, the limited series you see on
Jon Clayton:Netflix, that's just like eight episodes and it's start to finish series done.
Jon Clayton:Or it could be an ongoing series.
Jon Clayton:It could be that it's monthly, that it's weekly fortnightly.
Jon Clayton:Some people even choose to release short daily episodes, but that's
Jon Clayton:entirely up to you how you choose to do it Doesn't have to go on a
Jon Clayton:regular, uh, regular, weekly schedule.
Jon Clayton:The other misconception is that podcasts are just for
Jon Clayton:conversations and interviews again.
Jon Clayton:That is just not true these days.
Jon Clayton:There are so many different types of podcasts.
Jon Clayton:There are fiction podcasts.
Jon Clayton:There are narrative podcasts.
Jon Clayton:Podcasts that are like audio documentaries.
Jon Clayton:There are shorts, there are news, podcasts, reviews.
Jon Clayton:Podcasts.
Jon Clayton:There's just about.
Jon Clayton:Any different type of podcast format that you could imagine.
Jon Clayton:So please don't feel that if you did want to get into podcasting and
Jon Clayton:launch a podcast for yourself or your business, that it has to be
Jon Clayton:an interview based show or just a conversational podcast with you talking.
Jon Clayton:It doesn't have to be that way.
Jon Clayton:There are all sorts of different options for you, him.
Jon Clayton:The other thing that people think is that.
Jon Clayton:That you have to record video as well as audio.
Jon Clayton:Now, you might have heard from a lot of marketing gurus tell you that video
Jon Clayton:first approach, it has to be video.
Jon Clayton:It's all about video.
Jon Clayton:That is another thing that may hold you back.
Jon Clayton:It can be that it's audio only.
Jon Clayton:There is still plenty of podcasts out there that are very successful,
Jon Clayton:that are just audio only.
Jon Clayton:That's absolutely fine.
Jon Clayton:Another myth is that video interviews.
Jon Clayton:Our podcasts.
Jon Clayton:Sometimes people will say, oh, I love this podcast on YouTube.
Jon Clayton:I, I love that show.
Jon Clayton:We want to get into podcasting.
Jon Clayton:Now, as far as I'm concerned, if there isn't an audio only version,
Jon Clayton:so there isn't an audio version that is available on platforms like Apple
Jon Clayton:Music, Spotify, that sort of thing.
Jon Clayton:It's not a podcast.
Jon Clayton:What that is, if it's just a video, uh, it's a video interview that's on YouTube.
Jon Clayton:The, it's a video interview show, so there are differences.
Jon Clayton:There are some shows that are just video interview shows.
Jon Clayton:There are other podcasts that have a video element.
Jon Clayton:There are video podcasts that do also have the audio version as well.
Jon Clayton:But unless there's the audio only version, in my humble
Jon Clayton:opinion, that is not a podcast.
Jon Clayton:The other belief sometimes that people have is that it's just beyond your
Jon Clayton:capabilities that you, you can't do it.
Jon Clayton:And as I mentioned earlier, help is closer to hand than you realize.
Jon Clayton:You, you can do it, podcasting is within the grasp of most people out there.
Jon Clayton:So don't feel that it's not within your capabilities.
Jon Clayton:There's a misconception around whether the market is oversaturated.
Jon Clayton:Some people might be feeling well, look, is it too late?
Jon Clayton:There was a big boom in podcasts during Covid.
Jon Clayton:Is it oversaturated?
Jon Clayton:It isn't.
Jon Clayton:It is still a growing market, and podcasting is far less
Jon Clayton:competitive than YouTube.
Jon Clayton:Another reason for having an audio podcast in your mix, it is far less
Jon Clayton:competitive than trying to stand out on a YouTube, uh, YouTube videos.
Jon Clayton:The usually thing people think often is that you have to
Jon Clayton:have like a radio host voice.
Jon Clayton:You don't need to have a radio host voice, like your natural
Jon Clayton:voice is going to be fine.
Jon Clayton:And also that podcasting is really time consuming.
Jon Clayton:And again, it can be a little bit like the tech.
Jon Clayton:The tech can be complicated.
Jon Clayton:Podcast production can be time consuming, but it doesn't have to be.
Jon Clayton:There are certain approaches that you can take that can reduce the time it takes to
Jon Clayton:produce your show, and that is always the opportunity to bring in some help with
Jon Clayton:the bits of the production that you're struggling with to save you some time.
Jon Clayton:So what about getting started?
Jon Clayton:What are some of the common things that hold people back from
Jon Clayton:getting started in podcasting?
Jon Clayton:Classic would be perfectionism.
Jon Clayton:This feeling of, oh, it needs to be perfect, needs to be perfect
Jon Clayton:before I launch this podcast.
Jon Clayton:And I dunno how to make it perfect right now.
Jon Clayton:So I will procrastinate about this and I'll leave it on the ideas shelf for
Jon Clayton:later and I won't do anything about it.
Jon Clayton:But you don't have enough time.
Jon Clayton:That's another thing.
Jon Clayton:Imposter syndrome.
Jon Clayton:Maybe you are feeling like.
Jon Clayton:Well, I'm not good enough.
Jon Clayton:I'm not good enough to be a guest on a podcast or to have my own podcast.
Jon Clayton:Maybe you're not sure what to say.
Jon Clayton:You might be feeling like, well, who would want to listen to me?
Jon Clayton:Like, what have I got to share that anybody would find interesting?
Jon Clayton:You might have a fear of just messing it up and or looking silly
Jon Clayton:in front of anybody that tunes in and listens or watches the show.
Jon Clayton:That fear of failure that we often experience, I. Or maybe just a fear of
Jon Clayton:being disliked or judged by your peers.
Jon Clayton:All of those thoughts are really common.
Jon Clayton:I recently talked with Mark Franklin on the show about the common fears
Jon Clayton:that hold us back in business.
Jon Clayton:If you haven't already listened to that episode, go and check it out.
Jon Clayton:It's episode 73, overcoming the Four Fears of Business Ownership with Mark Franklin.
Jon Clayton:So I experienced all those fears.
Jon Clayton:So how the heck did I get started?
Jon Clayton:Well, I had to do some work on myself.
Jon Clayton:To begin, I had to change my mindset, and part of that was rather than
Jon Clayton:thinking of myself as needing to be an expert, to be able to show
Jon Clayton:up on a podcast, it was a case of.
Jon Clayton:I didn't need to do that.
Jon Clayton:Like I'm the expert of my own experiences and that's good enough.
Jon Clayton:And actually by having an interview based podcast that also allowed me to
Jon Clayton:shine the spotlight on other people, when I set out with the show its aims
Jon Clayton:were to help educate and support other small business owners in architecture,
Jon Clayton:particularly sole practitioners.
Jon Clayton:I had to do a bit of work on myself personally to overcome
Jon Clayton:that imposter syndrome.
Jon Clayton:So it was, about the saying, well, okay, I don't have to be an expert.
Jon Clayton:I can just shine the spotlight on other people.
Jon Clayton:We can talk about the subject of business for architects and
Jon Clayton:architecture practices, and I can learn from those interviews myself, like
Jon Clayton:every time we do these interviews.
Jon Clayton:I'm learning with you guys as you're tuning in and listening.
Jon Clayton:The other thing is that it's okay to be disliked that you're
Jon Clayton:not gonna be everybody's cup of tea, and that's absolutely fine.
Jon Clayton:You can't please everybody, and if you try to please everybody your content.
Jon Clayton:It's gonna be so vanilla that it's just not gonna appeal to anyone.
Jon Clayton:So it's absolutely fine to just be yourself, be natural, and
Jon Clayton:just accept that not everybody's gonna like you, and that's okay.
Jon Clayton:But that doesn't mean that just because somebody's not interested in
Jon Clayton:what you say or it's not for them.
Jon Clayton:It doesn't mean that you're gonna get like nasty messages or anything
Jon Clayton:like that, like those fears.
Jon Clayton:I had those same fears before launching this show, and they
Jon Clayton:were completely unfounded.
Jon Clayton:The opposite was actually true, that if anybody did bother to take the
Jon Clayton:time to get in touch, it was because they'd really enjoyed the show or
Jon Clayton:they'd found something valuable from an episode, or they just wanted to,
Jon Clayton:to send me a message to say thank you.
Jon Clayton:I spent a bit of time planning the launch and launching the show, so
Jon Clayton:there was the preparation aspect of it.
Jon Clayton:So again, I would encourage you to do some preparation before you get started.
Jon Clayton:There are some great online podcasting courses available,
Jon Clayton:some of which are completely free.
Jon Clayton:The other thing I did was to have a think about what success would look
Jon Clayton:like for me and for the podcast.
Jon Clayton:And my success metric was just publishing consistently.
Jon Clayton:It wasn't really about download numbers or making money.
Jon Clayton:Obviously those are nice, nice things to have.
Jon Clayton:Download numbers can be a bit of a vanity metric.
Jon Clayton:If I could publish consistently and produce something of value and
Jon Clayton:continue to improve week on week, that was my version of success.
Jon Clayton:Your version of success might be different, but I think it's just
Jon Clayton:taking some time just to think about what success would look like for you.
Jon Clayton:So if you're interested in the opportunity that podcasting presents
Jon Clayton:for you and your business and you're interested in experiencing some of
Jon Clayton:those benefits that I've described in early on in this episode, what would
Jon Clayton:I recommendations be before starting?
Jon Clayton:Well, I would say just try to get clear on the why so.
Jon Clayton:So why would you want to.
Jon Clayton:Get into podcasting.
Jon Clayton:What's your motivation behind it?
Jon Clayton:If you were going to produce your own show, to have your
Jon Clayton:own podcast, who's it for?
Jon Clayton:What do you want your audience to get from it?
Jon Clayton:I would also say to be realistic about what resources you
Jon Clayton:have to produce a podcast.
Jon Clayton:So think about what time and what money you have available.
Jon Clayton:To be able to get into podcasting.
Jon Clayton:I would say consider dipping your toe into podcasting by being a guest, and I would
Jon Clayton:invite you to, to be a guest on this show.
Jon Clayton:If in doubt, ask a podcaster.
Jon Clayton:Now you might just know me as a podcast host.
Jon Clayton:What you might not realize is that I provide end to end podcast production
Jon Clayton:services from initial strategy and planning to editing and content
Jon Clayton:repurposing, and I'm actively looking for new clients to work with this year.
Jon Clayton:If you'd like to find out about how podcasting could benefit your business,
Jon Clayton:or if you'd like to be considered as a guest on this show, then email John.
Jon Clayton:That's JO n@architecturebusinessclub.com, or click the link in the show notes
Jon Clayton:for a no obligation chat with me.
Jon Clayton:Next time I chat with Jude Charles about how to use storytelling
Jon Clayton:to attract better clients.
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