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Have you ever felt that people just don't understand what you

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do or have struggled to explain your complex services to prospective clients?

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If people can't understand what you do, they won't value it.

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If they don't value it, they won't pay as much for it, which means that

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you miss out on sales opportunities.

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Your work deserves to be better understood.

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Podcasting is one of the best ways to communicate what you do and why you do it.

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This is just one of the reasons that you should get into podcasting, and

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there are loads of other benefits too.

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I share more in this episode of Architecture Business Club, the

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weekly podcast for small firm founders who want to build their

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dream business in architecture and enjoy more freedom, flexibility,

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and fulfillment in what they do.

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I'm John Clayton, your host, and I know that building an architecture

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business can feel hard, especially if you're a sole practitioner.

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The good news is that you don't have to do it alone.

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Last year we launched our membership community to a small

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group of founding members, including architects, architecture,

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technologists, and interior designers.

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We meet online each week and occasionally in person to support

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each other in building our businesses and to have some fun along the way.

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In 2025, we opened the doors to a limited number of new members.

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If you'd like to join this supportive group of like-minded

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professionals, now's your chance.

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Just go to architecture business club slash waitlist or click the

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link in the show notes and enter your details so we can let you know how

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you can join this incredible group.

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And if you have any questions, just emo John.

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That's JO n@architecturebusinessclub.com.

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Okay, so let's find out how podcasting could benefit you and your business.

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Hey everyone.

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Thank you for tuning into the episode today.

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Today we are talking all about podcasting.

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I. How meta is that?

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We're, we're on a podcast and we're talking about podcasting I'm, I'm hugely

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passionate about podcasting, but I'd love to share some of the reasons why you

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might consider getting into podcasting.

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Some of the, the benefits for you and your business, and there are

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a lot of benefits from podcasting.

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Podcasting is a brilliant way to build trust with strangers,

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and this is so important that.

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If you're connecting with people and you are trying to secure new

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clients, they need to trust you.

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It's so important to do that.

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Podcasting's, a great way to do this, can help you attract more

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of the right clients and repel the wrong clients by communicating

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what you do and why you do it.

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It's a really great way to get more of the right clients to connect

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with you, but it can also generate.

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Other opportunities.

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It's not just about attracting better clients.

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It can generate unexpected opportunities that you, you might not foresee.

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It could be opportunities to talk on another podcast.

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You might have opportunities for collaborations with other businesses,

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other organizations that have heard about your work, what you do through a podcast

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interview that you've taken part in.

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Could be the opportunity to, to speak at a conference or an event.

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So there's all sorts of exciting things that can come through podcasting.

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It's a great way to build your authority and credibility so that you can become

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a trusted voice in your industry.

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Also, to become more visible People talk a lot about the importance of building

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your personal brand these days and featuring on podcast interviews or having

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a podcast is an amazing way to do that.

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It also gives you a platform to share your expertise, your experiences, and your

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stories, all of which is helping people to connect with you on a very personal level.

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It gives you currency to exchange.

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If you have your own podcasts, like, an interview-based podcast such as this

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one, that it's actually really valuable for the guests that come on the show.

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Like every guest that comes on this show, they're getting free pr.

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They're getting a really high quality podcast episode that they can then

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share with their own audience.

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There are often promotional assets like graphics and video

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clips that you are not having to spend time or money in producing.

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And actually you can, Leverage that by guesting on a variety of different shows.

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And in fact, some people's whole podcasting strategy is just around being

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a guest on other people's podcasts.

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So it doesn't necessarily have to be that you launch your own show.

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I. You get the opportunity to have amazing conversations with people

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from all over, like potentially people that normally they wouldn't

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have the time of day to talk to you.

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But because you've got this currency to exchange, uh, inviting them on your

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podcast, you get to have conversations with some incredible people and there's.

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Almost unlimited opportunities to repurpose that content.

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If you also record the video there's so much content that

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can be pulled out from a single.

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Podcast interview.

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So one recording could be an audio podcast.

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It could be a video version on YouTube.

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You could have short video clips that you share on LinkedIn

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and Instagram and TikTok.

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You can pull out quotes.

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You can pull out key takeaways and learnings for carousel posts

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that you post out on your social media platform of choice, blog

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articles, monthly newsletters.

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The op opportunities are endless.

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The other thing is.

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Podcasting's.

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Cool.

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Like even my kids think so.

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So your street credibility is gonna go up if you are like, Hey, did

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you know that I'm now a podcaster?

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But there are a lot of myths and misconceptions around podcasting.

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Um, I'm gonna just quickly run through some of those with you.

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So one of them is that you need fancy, expensive equipment.

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That's not really true.

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Like you, you need a microphone.

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Quality does matter, but it doesn't cost a fortune.

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You can get a really good mic that for most podcasters, would be more than

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suitable for less than a hundred dollars.

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Headphones and recording software you'd need.

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But other than that, that's pretty much it in terms of the equipment

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that you need to get started.

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Another myth is that you have to be a podcasting expert before you

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start, before you launch a show.

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That isn't true.

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This is something where you can learn as you grow, and actually that can be

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something that can hold you back from getting started, so it's better just to

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get started and improve things as you go.

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You have to be a subject matter expert to talk on a podcast.

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Again, this isn't true that there is value in your experiences.

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You are the experts of your own experiences and your experiences,

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your stories, that lived experience that you've had is valuable.

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People want to hear those stories.

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They want to hear the stories behind the work that you do.

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So you don't have to feel like you have to be a guru to have a podcast or talk

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on a podcast or to be a podcast guest.

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That is just not true.

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You are a person of value already.

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You've got all sorts of valuable things that you could be talking

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about and sharing on a podcast.

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Another myth is that you.

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You have to have your own podcast to benefit from podcasting.

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I've mentioned this already, that there's a lot of benefits from being

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a podcast guest and in fact that is the whole strategy that some people

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use around podcasting, that they never actually launch their own show,

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that their whole podcasting strategy.

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It's about guesting on other people's podcasts and getting in front of

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other people's existing audiences.

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And if you're interested in learning more about podcast guesting, go back

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and check out episode 51 from this show, how to Be a Brilliant Podcast

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Guest so that you can nail the podcast interview with Colin Gray.

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That was a really great conversation with Colin, and it gives you everything

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that you need to get started on that.

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Another myth is that your podcast has to make money to be successful.

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You can define your own version of success, like the success

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metrics for your podcast.

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It, it doesn't have to be that this has to make money to be deemed a success.

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That isn't my version of success for podcasting.

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It doesn't have to be yours either.

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People often think that the tech and software is really complicated.

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It can be, but it doesn't have to be.

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There are lots of options out there for you.

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There is software that makes podcasting much easier than it used to be, and help

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is much closer at hand than you realize.

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There are lots of people that are able to help you with podcasting, and

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there's lots of resources available online as well, many of which are free.

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Another myth is that you have to publish weekly episodes.

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That is just not true.

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Like it's entirely up to you what the publishing schedule is.

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So whether you choose to publish a Cap capsule podcast, which is a fully self

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encapsulated limited series, so it's, bit like the, the limited series you see on

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Netflix, that's just like eight episodes and it's start to finish series done.

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Or it could be an ongoing series.

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It could be that it's monthly, that it's weekly fortnightly.

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Some people even choose to release short daily episodes, but that's

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entirely up to you how you choose to do it Doesn't have to go on a

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regular, uh, regular, weekly schedule.

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The other misconception is that podcasts are just for

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conversations and interviews again.

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That is just not true these days.

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There are so many different types of podcasts.

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There are fiction podcasts.

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There are narrative podcasts.

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Podcasts that are like audio documentaries.

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There are shorts, there are news, podcasts, reviews.

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Podcasts.

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There's just about.

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Any different type of podcast format that you could imagine.

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So please don't feel that if you did want to get into podcasting and

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launch a podcast for yourself or your business, that it has to be

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an interview based show or just a conversational podcast with you talking.

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It doesn't have to be that way.

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There are all sorts of different options for you, him.

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The other thing that people think is that.

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That you have to record video as well as audio.

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Now, you might have heard from a lot of marketing gurus tell you that video

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first approach, it has to be video.

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It's all about video.

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That is another thing that may hold you back.

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It can be that it's audio only.

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There is still plenty of podcasts out there that are very successful,

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that are just audio only.

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That's absolutely fine.

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Another myth is that video interviews.

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Our podcasts.

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Sometimes people will say, oh, I love this podcast on YouTube.

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I, I love that show.

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We want to get into podcasting.

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Now, as far as I'm concerned, if there isn't an audio only version,

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so there isn't an audio version that is available on platforms like Apple

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Music, Spotify, that sort of thing.

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It's not a podcast.

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What that is, if it's just a video, uh, it's a video interview that's on YouTube.

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The, it's a video interview show, so there are differences.

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There are some shows that are just video interview shows.

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There are other podcasts that have a video element.

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There are video podcasts that do also have the audio version as well.

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But unless there's the audio only version, in my humble

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opinion, that is not a podcast.

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The other belief sometimes that people have is that it's just beyond your

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capabilities that you, you can't do it.

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And as I mentioned earlier, help is closer to hand than you realize.

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You, you can do it, podcasting is within the grasp of most people out there.

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So don't feel that it's not within your capabilities.

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There's a misconception around whether the market is oversaturated.

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Some people might be feeling well, look, is it too late?

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There was a big boom in podcasts during Covid.

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Is it oversaturated?

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It isn't.

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It is still a growing market, and podcasting is far less

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competitive than YouTube.

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Another reason for having an audio podcast in your mix, it is far less

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competitive than trying to stand out on a YouTube, uh, YouTube videos.

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The usually thing people think often is that you have to

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have like a radio host voice.

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You don't need to have a radio host voice, like your natural

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voice is going to be fine.

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And also that podcasting is really time consuming.

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And again, it can be a little bit like the tech.

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The tech can be complicated.

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Podcast production can be time consuming, but it doesn't have to be.

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There are certain approaches that you can take that can reduce the time it takes to

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produce your show, and that is always the opportunity to bring in some help with

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the bits of the production that you're struggling with to save you some time.

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So what about getting started?

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What are some of the common things that hold people back from

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getting started in podcasting?

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Classic would be perfectionism.

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This feeling of, oh, it needs to be perfect, needs to be perfect

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before I launch this podcast.

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And I dunno how to make it perfect right now.

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So I will procrastinate about this and I'll leave it on the ideas shelf for

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later and I won't do anything about it.

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But you don't have enough time.

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That's another thing.

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Imposter syndrome.

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Maybe you are feeling like.

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Well, I'm not good enough.

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I'm not good enough to be a guest on a podcast or to have my own podcast.

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Maybe you're not sure what to say.

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You might be feeling like, well, who would want to listen to me?

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Like, what have I got to share that anybody would find interesting?

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You might have a fear of just messing it up and or looking silly

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in front of anybody that tunes in and listens or watches the show.

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That fear of failure that we often experience, I. Or maybe just a fear of

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being disliked or judged by your peers.

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All of those thoughts are really common.

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I recently talked with Mark Franklin on the show about the common fears

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that hold us back in business.

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If you haven't already listened to that episode, go and check it out.

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It's episode 73, overcoming the Four Fears of Business Ownership with Mark Franklin.

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So I experienced all those fears.

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So how the heck did I get started?

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Well, I had to do some work on myself.

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To begin, I had to change my mindset, and part of that was rather than

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thinking of myself as needing to be an expert, to be able to show

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up on a podcast, it was a case of.

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I didn't need to do that.

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Like I'm the expert of my own experiences and that's good enough.

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And actually by having an interview based podcast that also allowed me to

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shine the spotlight on other people, when I set out with the show its aims

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were to help educate and support other small business owners in architecture,

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particularly sole practitioners.

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I had to do a bit of work on myself personally to overcome

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that imposter syndrome.

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So it was, about the saying, well, okay, I don't have to be an expert.

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I can just shine the spotlight on other people.

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We can talk about the subject of business for architects and

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architecture practices, and I can learn from those interviews myself, like

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every time we do these interviews.

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I'm learning with you guys as you're tuning in and listening.

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The other thing is that it's okay to be disliked that you're

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not gonna be everybody's cup of tea, and that's absolutely fine.

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You can't please everybody, and if you try to please everybody your content.

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It's gonna be so vanilla that it's just not gonna appeal to anyone.

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So it's absolutely fine to just be yourself, be natural, and

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just accept that not everybody's gonna like you, and that's okay.

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But that doesn't mean that just because somebody's not interested in

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what you say or it's not for them.

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It doesn't mean that you're gonna get like nasty messages or anything

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like that, like those fears.

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I had those same fears before launching this show, and they

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were completely unfounded.

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The opposite was actually true, that if anybody did bother to take the

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time to get in touch, it was because they'd really enjoyed the show or

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they'd found something valuable from an episode, or they just wanted to,

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to send me a message to say thank you.

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I spent a bit of time planning the launch and launching the show, so

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there was the preparation aspect of it.

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So again, I would encourage you to do some preparation before you get started.

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There are some great online podcasting courses available,

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some of which are completely free.

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The other thing I did was to have a think about what success would look

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like for me and for the podcast.

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And my success metric was just publishing consistently.

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It wasn't really about download numbers or making money.

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Obviously those are nice, nice things to have.

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Download numbers can be a bit of a vanity metric.

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If I could publish consistently and produce something of value and

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continue to improve week on week, that was my version of success.

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Your version of success might be different, but I think it's just

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taking some time just to think about what success would look like for you.

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So if you're interested in the opportunity that podcasting presents

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for you and your business and you're interested in experiencing some of

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those benefits that I've described in early on in this episode, what would

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I recommendations be before starting?

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Well, I would say just try to get clear on the why so.

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So why would you want to.

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Get into podcasting.

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What's your motivation behind it?

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If you were going to produce your own show, to have your

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own podcast, who's it for?

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What do you want your audience to get from it?

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I would also say to be realistic about what resources you

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have to produce a podcast.

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So think about what time and what money you have available.

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To be able to get into podcasting.

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I would say consider dipping your toe into podcasting by being a guest, and I would

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invite you to, to be a guest on this show.

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If in doubt, ask a podcaster.

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Now you might just know me as a podcast host.

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What you might not realize is that I provide end to end podcast production

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services from initial strategy and planning to editing and content

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repurposing, and I'm actively looking for new clients to work with this year.

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If you'd like to find out about how podcasting could benefit your business,

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or if you'd like to be considered as a guest on this show, then email John.

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That's JO n@architecturebusinessclub.com, or click the link in the show notes

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for a no obligation chat with me.

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Next time I chat with Jude Charles about how to use storytelling

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to attract better clients.

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Thanks so much for listening to this episode of architecture business club.

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Then please leave a glowing five-star review or rating wherever you listen

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And if you haven't already done, so don't forget to hit the subscribe button.

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So you never miss another episode.

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If you want to connect with me, you can do that on most social media platforms,

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just search for at Mr. John Clayton.

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The best place to connect with me online, though is on LinkedIn.

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You can find a link to my profile in the show notes.

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Remember.

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Running your architecture business.

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Doesn't have to be hard and you don't need to do it alone.

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This is architecture business club.