There is so much out there to get mad about. Social injustices, class warfare, continued

colonization, the act of destruction of our planet by those focused on prophets and not

people. We can find it overwhelming at times. The good news is there are equally as many,

if not more, stories of people coming together and rising up against the forces at play. So

the creators of Blueprints of Disruption have added a new weekly segment, Ravel Rants, where

we will unpack the stories that have us most riled up, share calls to action, and most importantly,

celebrate resistance. Not a complex issue. That's the big thing. It's super simple. There's one

group that has... enormous power, it's the most powerful country in the Middle East, it's backed

by the United States, it acts on another population of people with total impunity and is never

held accountable for anything. So there's no symmetry in the relationship, period. And just

as like a thought experiment, IDW people. If we know that if somehow a population of Jewish

refugees ended up in West Bank in Gaza, and an Arabic government in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv

had an open air prison in what, you know, Jewish Gaza, which they bombed with white phosphorus,

they killed civilians indiscriminately and they had no provisions for medicine, they had an

embargo that blocked food, that the electricity wasn't running, that there was an over 48%

unemployment rate, life expectancy and malnutrition, One of the major policymakers in this hypothetical

Arabic Palestinian state said, we need to put those Jews on a diet. In the West Bank, there

was another Jewish area where there was a little bit more autonomy, but there was regular Arabic

settlements where they pulled up the Jewish farmers' foods. They terrorized them with rocks.

The security forces broke children's bones, and they couldn't drive their own roads. We'd

all have no problem understanding what that was. So there's nothing complex about it. It's

a pure asymmetry relationship. And the question is rights or not. So that's it. It's not complicated.

That clip that we just listened to is from the late Michael Brooks, where he is describing

the asymmetrical relationship between Israel-Palestine, specifically the continued oppression of the

Palestinian population, the apartheid relationship. with the state of Israel. I'm sure by now everybody

has heard at least a little bit about the events that have been unfolding in Israel-Palestine

over the last few days. And there has been a lot of narratives to come out of that, a lot

of narratives from those in power in Western nations. And in particular, there has been

a repression of Palestinian voices. And the experiences of the Palestinian people as these

events have unfolded. I think it's important to add some context around what we're going

to talk about and the clip that just happened. In there, he mentions hypothetical leaders

and the attitudes that they espouse. Those aren't hypothetical leaders. They're absolutely real,

and they're openly calling for the complete destruction of Gaza. For those who don't know,

Gaza is a densely populated area, two million people. Fifty percent of those people are children,

and there is no real way for them to leave. There are reports on top of the bombings that

we have all seen, there are now reports that the Israeli government is raining down white

phosphorus on the civilians of not only Palestine but of Lebanon. That is a war crime. That is

a restricted-use weapon. And while the Israeli government is doing this, the Canadian government

has hoisted a giant Israeli flag atop of the peace tower in Ottawa, lit it up blue. There's

demands to have the CN Tower go blue and the falls go blue and white in a sign of solidarity

for the civilians murdered in Israel at the hands of Hamas. There is no suggestion of marking

the large loss of life of Palestinians that has already happened and which is promised

in the future. And I am absolutely blown away. Like on this show, I have vented so many times

against leftist politicians for so many valid reasons. And still, I was shook watching the

tweets and statements roll in from... so-called progressives. Friends, it's like a complete

disconnect has happened. And it's been devastating. My thoughts are completely with my comrades

most affected by this, especially my Palestinian friends. I can't imagine the weight that they're

carrying right now, especially considering some of the narratives that are surrounding what

has happened. The most important thing to draw out of that clip though is the power imbalance.

Right? Like that is so important when you're talking about this both sides argument or statement

that often comes out. We think it's absolutely atrocious when it happens in terms of like

Neo-Nazis going against Antifa, right? Like, well, there's bad people on both sides. Like

we completely reject that argument because of what, of the ideologies that exist underneath

it. And the power imbalance that exists between Israel, who completely control what happens

within Gaza and the people within Gaza itself. And it's like everyone has completely forgotten

that. Like they have taken this act of horrible violence that happened in Israel. Like no one

is going to deny what we are reading about is atrocious, but they're using that to completely

erase all context of the occupation behind it. as though this was unprovoked. And I've seen

that word used, unprovoked. As if the last 75 or so years have just not happened. As if there

hasn't been a continued oppression of Palestinians for generations. Unprovoked, as if there haven't

been numerous attempts in recent history at... protesting the conditions peacefully that have

been met with absolute oppression. As if the daily reality, as if the IDF themselves, as

if members of the IDF themselves have not gone on record numerous times about their instructions

being to break the population of Gaza. to psychologically break them, to control every single aspect

of their life. Because that is the condition that Gaza is living under. Let's talk about

that for a second. Israel controls every single thing that goes in and out. They control whether

or not food goes in. They control water, of which there is none, where 95% of the water

in Gaza is not drinkable. They control all of the markets. They control everything. It's

an absolute oppression. Nothing goes in and out. But it's unprovoked. Gaza, as Jessa mentioned

earlier, is over 50% children. Why do we think that is? The median age in Gaza is 18 years

old. Why? Because the life expectancy in Gaza is so low. People are either killed or they

starve to death. But it's unprovoked. When Gaza has been bombed on and off for decades, but

it's unprovoked. It's a ridiculous notion. It is, and I don't want anyone to get the idea

that this is us justifying or condoning what we've seen. Absolutely not. But we're not those

people. We have not lived in those conditions. We do not know what we would do. Most of us

are settlers, and this probably makes us very uncomfortable to see. violent decolonization

happen in front of us. I wanna read a little bit from a tweet from Joy Henderson. She is

black Lakota educator and an amazing activist. And I just think what she said helps explain.

But after I say that, I also want to go back. This is... or for you to remind me, Santiago,

that although you can explain what happens when you put somebody in an open air prison indefinitely,

generationally, and tighten the grip, right? Because this is a government who has, sorry,

this is a population who has also just elected an even more far right government, one that

is hell bent on shrinking Gaza and destroying Palestinians. it's becoming increasingly worse.

So we can understand how it escalates to that kind of level of violence. So Joy said, if

me and my kids were trapped in an open air prison where food, electricity, water, freedom was

based on the whims of a state who thought I was an animal, I'm pretty sure I'd be violent

as hell. Most parents would. My ancestors, both Black and Indigenous, fought back against violent

colonialism. They killed, they burned, they stole, and I don't know what else, but I absolutely

won't condemn them. Because when you attempt to eliminate people or keep them enslaved with

no means or hope of escape, they're not going to be nice about fighting back. My ancestors

knew their revolts and rebellions meant torture and death, but they had nothing left to lose.

And what I think she means, and Joy, I apologize if I'm wrong, but when you create these such

harsh conditions, you have then let go of the reins. You cannot control what human people

will do to survive. You can put a wall up, you can write all these rules, you can try to excuse

it, you can try to justify it, you can try to greenwash it, but eventually... not to dehumanize

anybody, but we all are animals in a sense, in the sense that we will react to survive,

to protect ourselves. And it's not like this was the first thing Palestinians or Hamas have

tried. A lot of people are talking about, you know, of course, you know, condemning the violence

on both sides and respecting— life on both sides and all of these really obvious statements.

and saying we should work towards peaceful solutions. As though for 75 fucking years, people haven't

been trying to use peaceful solutions. You know, in 2008, we'll go more recent, right? Just,

you could go back all 75 years and have multitude of examples of what happens when Palestinians

do resist in any form. But in 2018, 2019, you had the March of Return, where hundreds of

thousands of Palestinians marched for days and days, weeks, and they were murdered over and

over again. Over 220 Palestinian civilians were gunned down, mostly by Israeli snipers shooting

to kill. Over 9,000 were wounded. many journalists clearly marked were completely taken down.

Just last year, Israel killed a Palestinian journalist and bombed intentionally—and we

know it's intentionally because they told them it was intentional—they bombed

Palestinian journalist and lied about it and lied about it and they were found and then

and after they lied about it they were caught in their lives and it's not a question anymore

we know that they murdered this journalist this has been a common action there has been no

symmetry whatsoever if you look at and God I hate what's the Che Guevara quote you know

the The life of a single human being is worth a million times more than all the property

of the richest man on earth. Absolutely. And so I don't compare things to way life because

life cannot be measured in numbers. But it is worth pointing out the absolute unsymmetry

in terms of Palestinians killed versus Israelis killed. Because it's not even close. It's not

even remotely close. There has been an absolute asymmetry and the crimes against Palestinians

have been consistent for years. And now, just now, the defense minister of Israel said, and

I quote, I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity,

no food, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals. Yeah, that's The huge

step is dehumanizing a population so that the rest of the world can be okay with what you're

about to do next. And frankly, they've done it so many times, I think the world is okay

with the fucking bombing of Gaza. How many times have we seen those images, even though reporters

are saying that this is the worst that they've ever seen? And it likely is, considering the

promises that the Israeli state has given. But I want to go back a bit to— the alternatives

that Palestinians have tried to use and which have also been demonized and thwarted. And

it's why we get to the place that we're at. When you leave—we've talked about this many,

many times on the show before, not in such violent context—but when you rob people of a voice

or a method to use the mechanisms you want them to use, right? You want them to use peaceful

means. You want them to use the UN courts, peaceful protests. They will fucking shoot you down.

They will— put you out of that room, there's no seat at the table for Palestinians. Boycott,

divest and sanction, the BDS movement, Justin Trudeau condemned anyone who would take part

in a boycott of Israel. So they have purposely shut down every fucking peaceful route that

is available to Palestinians, and then they stand back, murder them at will, and then wonder

why they bit back. Every fucking politician out there, say for Sarah Jemma, is completely

condemning Palestinian people. to death. You don't know. They don't know, or maybe they

do the damage that is happening by silencing folks right now by saying that being pro-Palestine

means being pro-Hamas, that being pro-Palestine means being for the murder and rape of civilians.

They don't understand how dangerous that is for Palestinians to start taking away the voice

of the diaspora while their families are being bombed. You are leaving them no room to do

anything. And these are the conditions that created this in the first place. You know,

Canada and the world are talking about withdrawing all aid from Palestine, which is just a giant,

most of it, it's a giant refugee camp. It really fucking is. And 18 of the UN relief buildings

have been destroyed by these bombings. So the conditions that we knew of, that we described,

that power imbalance, That was even before these bombings. When we say it's an apartheid state,

this has been confirmed by Amnesty International. This is absolute oppression. And some even

go as far as to say that it's, I mean, to be completely honest, apartheid arguably is not

enough. What it is a genocide. You can say that, absolutely. It is a genocide. There should

be no hesitation there. I remember. I think it was Noam Chomsky who said that in Gaza the

conditions are far worse than apartheid. Meanwhile, we see these narratives of condemnation of

Hamas as if Hamas is Palestine. Hamas is not Palestine. As we mentioned, over 50% of the

population, and I cannot emphasize this point enough. Over 50% of the open air prison that

is Gaza is children. Something like 44% of them are 14 and under. And it's being bombed indiscriminately.

Buildings are collapsing, apartment buildings where people live are being shown. Whole neighborhoods

are being flattened. White phosphorus, chemical warfare. And again, it's worth mentioning,

this collective punishment is against international law. I mean, How much of this is against international

law? Like the apartheid system is against international law. The whole, the settler colonialism is

against international law. The colonialism of the West Bank is against international law.

The killings of innocent Palestinians for generations has been condemned as against international

law. There are consistent war crimes. Killing of journalists is against international law.

The halting aid. preventing aid from being reached, Israel just said that they would bomb these

Egyptian trucks that are carrying aid en route to Gaza. They said they would bomb it if it

attempts to enter Gaza. That is against international law. It's important to note that those trucks

would be taking the same routes that they've just asked Gaza residents to use in order to

evacuate their homes. And I want to ask people, do you think Israel will let those people return?

Have you seen what has happened to Palestinian people that have been pushed out of their homes

and off of their land? They don't have the right to return. And I have no reason to believe

this particular Israeli government would let any of them return either. And you talk about

genocide, you got Nikki Haley, former US UN ambassador, and she gets on Twitter and her

quote is, finish them Netanyahu. Now people want to tell me that she's talking about Hamas.

OK, you don't think she's talking about all people, all Palestinian people, all people

of Gaza? Fine. You think it's OK to just kill everyone that Israel has on their list of who

is Hamas? The same IDF who lie consistently about what we can see to be true on video,

what we can see to be true coming from the UN and all the observers that have fucking been

in there, and from people's lived experience. The same fucking IDF that the BBC is quoting

without verifying anything. This is open calls for genocide or, at the very least, massive

extraditional killings. And we shouldn't be surprised because the US does this all the

time. What makes this most disgusting though, Santiago, is in the face of this, in the face

of this brutal collective retribution. Like this. fuck you, we're going to kill you because

people operate within your realm that have done some bad things. And at that same time, you're

looking at those victims now and demanding that they condone Hamas while not saying a thing

about how many Palestinian civilians are being killed. And that is the biggest part for me.

It's not justifying the violence. It's not definitely not cheering on. It's challenging the imbalance

that exists here too, when you're trying to talk about these issues. And the same fucking

thing happens with Ukraine. Ukraine is experiencing an illegal occupation. And so, by international

law, they are allowed to resist with weapons, with arms. We know this to be true because

we are arming them and we are putting their flags in our bio. We are cheering them on.

We are not allowed to question their death squads. We are not allowed to question the fact that

they have Nazis in their rank. We are not allowed to question anything Zelensky has done in the

past or any way how the Ukrainian government has treated the people in the places that Russia

is now occupying. We're not allowed to suggest a peace accord, right? That would have you

ridiculed and labeled a Putin stan, right? The fact that Ukraine would have to cede land is

just... abhorrent to suggest, but at the same time, you have no recourse for Palestinian

people that you know have not just had their land stolen during the Nakba, but it has shrank

over time and has been clawed back from them over the 75 years to the point where it's like

this open-air prison that we describe. And still you don't think that they have the right to

respond violently? Still, even though— You celebrate the French resistance in World War II that

killed Nazis underground that utilized guerrilla tactics and those leftists out there that celebrate

Che Guevara. I know you read the quote about one value of human life, but when you put people

in a position where they don't have sophisticated arms. They don't have the ability to engage

military targets as easily as the U.S. does, and they don't even limit it to military targets,

even though they have fucking drones with accurate, laser-guided missiles. You're talking about

people who have to make do in the conditions that we just described and still fight for

resistance, because they have the fucking right to do that. And I'm not afraid to fucking say

it. It's true. It's under international law. They're allowed to fight back. And as settlers,

I don't think it's up for us to decide how they do it. And how often have we seen, you know,

Hamas launch rockets from Gaza into Israel that don't make a dent through the Iron Dome only

for Gaza to be bombed 10 times over in response? How many times have we seen that? Gaza doesn't

have bunkers. Gaza doesn't have an Iron Dome. Gaza is an open air prison, and we've seen

this over and over again. I don't have answers to give anybody because I don't, as long as

the Western world is unilaterally supporting, arming, funding Israel, actively endorsing

the continued colonization and oppression of Palestinians, I have no idea how one can solve

this because that is what's happening. We are... essentially signing off on that. When you look

at the original agreement in the United Nations of the division of land, it resembles nothing.

What is nothing even close to what is the distribution of land today, not even close. Almost like

broken treaties. Yeah, exactly. It's not even close. So like, what the hell is anybody supposed

to do? Like, what are the, nobody comes to help them. Nobody is helping. They're only ally.

It's just such an absolute form of oppression. And then meanwhile, the conversations and narrative

we have here, we're not allowed to question it. I mean, how often do you see, how often

do you see, and Jess is as familiar with this as anybody else, whenever anybody speaks in

defense of Palestinians, they get smeared as an anti-Semit. What the hell kind of motivation

would we have to be anti-Semitic, really? I mean, let's... We stand consistently in defense

of all oppressed people. Why is Palestine the exception? Why is it when we talk about Palestine,

there is such a vitriol reaction that you get nowhere else? When we know the international

laws, we've seen it. There have been countless reports as to the lived conditions, but yet

it's antisemitic to speak against the continued oppression? It's a continued conflation between

One, the state of Israel and Judaism, which are not the same thing. Also a conflation between.

And it's anti-Semitic to say that they are. And it is. And a conflation between Muslims

and Palestine, which is also not true because Palestine is not just. Or Palestine and Hamas.

Yeah. And Palestine is not just Muslim. Palestine is also Christian. There's also many Muslims

living. in Israel. What we're talking about here is the oppression and colonization of

a peoples. This smear, it's what brought down Jeremy Corbyn's campaign. They tried to smear

Bernie Sanders with it back in the day, which didn't really stick because he's Jewish. They

tried to smear Noam Chomsky for the same reason. Once again, didn't work because he's Jewish.

We don't have such defenses. But does any- It's just, it's so comical and I had to address

this because we know as we record this, we know what to expect. We know what to expect as a

response to speaking out on this. We know what is going to happen because it happens every

single time. Why are we not allowed to speak in defense of an oppressed people is beyond

me. I think it has to do with the timing. So I kind of want to talk about that. I think

people took offense to how quickly. me personally, you know, or anybody else was willing to say,

free Palestine, or the like, so quickly after what was happened. How dare you? Right? Any

showing of support of Palestine in this moment inherently means you support what they've done.

You support what Hamas is doing. And that's a false correlation. That's an absolute false

correlation. The reason why I wanted to assert my support for Palestinian people immediately,

and as did thousands of people across the world, tens of thousands of rallies, or tons of rallies

across the world in support of the people of Palestine, that were vilified—we'll get into

that in a second—but the reason it needed to happen right away is because we fucking knew.

We fucking knew as soon as the details started to come in that— the silencing of Palestinian

advocacy would ramp up. Because, I mean, just last week, our episode was called, Courage

Needed, Advocating for Palestine. And that's never been more true. It was already an uncomfortable

thing to do. Why? Because like Santiago said, every time you're labeled an anti-Semite, like

every fucking time. I, as a- the president of a small chapter of Amnesty International tried

to defend a mural that had been chosen by students to go up, and it depicted a Palestinian holding

a rock behind their back and a tank in the foreground. And that was too violent. That was anti-Semitic.

To even depict Palestinian resistance with a fucking rock against a tank, a rock. It's a

young protester, like you've seen them, like we've described the ages of the people that

are in Gaza, fucking children fighting for their future because they've just seen what's unfolded

and there's no hope. And even depicting a modicum of resistance from these people was enough

to get articles written in the paper to dox me to call me an anti-Semite for simply saying

that that... painting has a right to exist and it is not anti-Semitic to simply say a free

Palestine or to say that they deserve it or that they could even fight for it. It doesn't

matter what I've done. I just marshaled one time. I got called seven months pregnant. I'm

seven months pregnant and I got called to marshal an event and I went because it was for students

at York and they likely didn't know how to safely marshal such a heated event. I had done a lot

of that work. And so some comrades called and we got it. They had a bunch of volunteers.

I had no role. I just showed up, put the vest on, got my instructions. And it was hell. The

protest simply wanted to remove IDF personnel from York University because they were holding

events there. And that's it. That was the demands. And the resistance they faced was incredible.

from campus, mostly from off campus, absolute, absolute hatred being spewed at us the whole

time. The things I heard them say to the Palestinian comrades, so you have to imagine, I am facing

the opponents. I am trying to protect the students, which was not a good idea, being pregnant,

but I think I underestimated how heated this would get, and I was being shoved. So I'm shoved

over and over and over again so that they could get closer to Palestinian students, like 19,

20, 21 year olds, and scream racist bullshit in their face, calling them the most horrible

names imaginable. And I moved with this crowd everywhere they went, right? Tried to get access

to the speakers, it was trying to maneuver around security, it was fluid, so I was everywhere.

I never heard anything anti-Semitic at all. And the newspaper articles that got written

about that rally just fucking lied. The chance that they said that they said never happened.

Not one video showed up, but multiple videos showed up of the violence that was inflicted

on the Palestinian protesters over and over again and nothing that was never mentioned.

Even fucking Jagmeet Singh comes out and condemns the fucking anti-Semitism that occurred and

he wasn't there. and they only took the word of one side and never ever interviewed us.

And Sue Ann Levy, she calls me an anti-Semite. I was just a marshal, someone recognized me

because I think I'd already run for the NDP. And so again, my name, my fucking phone number

everywhere. Again, I'm getting calls at like eight o'clock in the morning telling me they

hope my kids die. My kid who is half Jewish. And I'd hung up as much as possible, but like

I told one. one woman that called, like, you have no idea the terror you're visiting upon

me. And this is all I did. I am seven months pregnant, and I marshaled a protest. None of

what you described happened. And they did not fucking care. It was pure vitriol. And that's

me. I'm not even Palestinian. So my thoughts always go to, like, how are they breathing

right now? How are my Palestinian comrades even functioning? considering what they were already

up against and now this. So that's why it was so important for me to put that flag up immediately,

and I never fly flags. I hate flags, I hate nationalism, but we talked, there is a certain

nuance when it comes to indigenous nations that are fighting for fucking survival and asserting

their nationhood. And it was important to fly that flag then because it's never been more

important to say, free Palestine, because if we don't now, we won't be allowed to later.

The UK Home Secretary has just suggested that they are going to make it illegal to fly the

Palestinian flag and they are going to ban certain chants. Certain Arab chants is how they described

it. And so it was more important because I understand the imbalance that occurs in the media and

the narratives that happen. I think I underestimated it because Olivia Chow's tweet was just fucking

next level. But then it became so painfully obvious that if there was any voices left on

the left that had the courage to speak up, we had to scream. And we do. Right? People need

to be unrelenting. You cannot be afraid to be uncomfortable right now. I don't care what

your settler friends are saying. The fucking correlations that people are drawing too, it's

thrown at me so you'd be okay if indigenous people here killed all of us and took their

land back. Like, what do you think? People are fucking savages? That's the narrative you're

fucking playing into. Don't create the conditions to which Palestine is living under. Why? Are

you planning on putting, are you planning on making it even worse for indigenous people?

I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't push people to the brink like that because you don't know

what's going to happen. Well, we do, well, we do. I mean, it's, that really said so much,

that rant. It's so one sided. And when we look at, you know, when we talk about like this

media narrative, it's so absolute, you know, CTV, Montreal and BBC both ran headlines where

they were talking about the casualties on both sides and when it's Israelis, they said killed,

or Palestinians dead. That was the headline. How did they die? Just. happen to and you see

these headlines all the time when it comes to Palestine, you see the bias and it's so, it's

so painfully obvious for media. I mean, I am in journalism school and you know, they talk

the big game about objectivity and impartiality. But you see how that gets thrown out the window

with certain topics, because there has been no partial, there's been no symmetry whatsoever.

They will. publish a one-sided story quoting only IDF, not ever asking the other side as

they say that you're supposed to do in journalism. They just run with it. And go take a look at

like some of the stuff that's been written. Like, I mean, I read an op-ed in an Australian

newspaper, actively calling for genocide, with the words genocide. Or like, you know, sometimes

genocide's necessary, was what the article was saying. What a fucking moment to be alive,

because we had Nazi apologists talking about nuance, you know, not that long ago. And it's

like we're completely rewriting history. And everyone around us has just absolved Israel

of their wrongdoing. It's like those Israeli civilian deaths have given a green light to

exterminate Palestinians. And this has happened before. This is how it happens. After 9-11,

we soaked up all that vitriol, and we allowed Afghanistan and Iraq to be destroyed under

the name of terror. And we continue to allow massive amounts of civilian deaths at the hands

of our so-called allies in the name of the war on terror. What is terrorism if it isn't— imprisoning

people indefinitely and exiling millions of people and telling them they can't return ever.

These words, they carry power and meaning and they're being used without any caution whatsoever.

And when I say caution, I mean, look at the way, as we were just mentioning with the fricking

Nazi that we applauded in the parliament and looking at... at everything to do with Ukraine

and Russia, the infinite amount of people calling for all the nuance in the world. Oh yeah, but

you have to consider this, you have to consider that. And that's how it shows you how we act

towards allies versus those people we deem enemies. Because when it's someone that we deem an ally,

there's always infinite nuance to be looked at. And to be fair, that nuance is bullshit.

There's no nuance take on... Nazis in World War II in Ukraine. We know all the history

there. It is absolute revisionism. We know what the history was there. There is no nuance to

be had. And if we do have the nuance, we're going to come out to the same conclusion is

what I'm trying to say. Meanwhile, And there's absolutely no critical thinking whatsoever

occurring when it comes to the defense of Palestinians. And one thing is like the use of the word terrorist,

which is such a loaded term, is being used without any question across Western media. Right? And

that's their favorite word. Yeah. And we look at like, okay, how do you define it? Well,

we know that certain countries, Canada, as one of them has... designated Hamas a terrorist

organization. And so everybody runs with the word terrorist and terrorists has such a reaction

in Western mind. Meanwhile, and I'm not for the record, I'm not here defending Hamas, but

I am saying of the quickness they are to use these words and these terminology. in apartheid

South Africa, they called Nelson Mandela a terrorist as well. Everybody who is an enemy, we quickly

use the term terrorist for. And then, and then that's used to justify actions against Palestinians

who have no connection whatsoever to Hamas because all of these children who are currently being

killed by these bombs in Gaza, what connection do they have to Hamas? The one thing about

the terrorism label that is important here is it strictly legitimizes state violence. State

violence is never considered terrorism. Of course, we will call the US Army terrorists. We know

what they've done. And perhaps other people could apply that label, but in reality, it's

not. It's not something the media uses to describe. We surely don't call our allies terrorists

even when they commit the same exact actions that we have seen militias carry out, insurgency

groups, however you want to describe them, rather than calling them a terrorist group. Because

every time we hear these stories, including coups that occur, history is erased from the

story. The context under which it occurred, the colonialism, the imperialism. It's all

erased, or the level of violence is diminished. State violence doesn't have to be white phosphorus

or bombs of residential areas. Violence is also the starvation of civilian populations, the

denial of electricity, employment, mobility rights. That— It's violent to completely remove

people's human rights and dignity. It is. It's far more painful to die of starvation than

it is to be taken out by an Israeli sniper. But they do both, continually. And I don't

know if people are just too tired or desensitized or what, but the same people who never say

boo about Palestine. I had one person come at me. demanding I condone the murder of Israeli

citizens. And even though I said I do not celebrate them, they labeled me a terrorist supporter,

knowing me. Right? They have labeled me a dear, dear comrade of mine has said that means I

must support. killing of women and children, that the sharing simply of the map of Gaza,

the shrinking map of Gaza, simply sharing that is to condone. violence against civilians.

And those leaps are absolutely made to silence us. Some folks might not do it on purpose,

but they're swallowing narratives that they're hearing around them, and those are to silence

resistance of any kind. Of any kind. Believe me, the Canadian government is sending a message

to indigenous people right now by putting that Israeli flag up there. Because they don't condone

it because that's what they would fucking do. And that's what they use, right? They use violence

from the RCMP. We've used colonial violence for eons. We will forcibly remove you with

the OPP, even if you're on Mohawk territory. This is how we would respond as well. So it's

no, no wonder we find kindred spirits in the state of Israel. And that reminds me of one

thing I mentioned to Jess earlier is when it comes to being labeled as, as anti-Semitic

is how ridiculous would it be? if every time that we criticized Canada's oppression, colonization,

genocide against the Indigenous people here, if we were labeled as racist against white

people, right? Everybody would, well, not everybody, but it would be very blatant how ridiculous

such a claim would be. But we're not faced with the same, that doesn't happen though. That

doesn't, and we speak constantly on- Yes, it does. You know, people laugh at that. People

don't laugh at the anti-Semite. That sticks, right? I feel like I can't even talk about

anti-Semitism. That does fucking exist. I know it exists, right? We see it. But that label

has been thrown at me so many times simply for my advocacy of Palestine, and nothing I have

actually ever said that was anti-Semitic. And so I feel like I can't even wait into that

conversation. I can't even fight against anti-Semitism because I'm likely not welcome. And it's loaded

to me now because it visits me every time I open my mouth on Palestine. And it's such an

ironic claim too, because we're, I mean, we're socialists here. And where is anti-Semitism

more common than anywhere else is in the far right circles. Everything in the far right

eventually comes back to anti-Semitism. It's funny, like... To be fair, there are very racist

socialists out there, misogynistic socialists. So not everybody kind of fully embraces...

Absolutely. It's just more of a statement of how common anti-Semitism is in right-wing circles.

It's funny because whenever you see... I remember Andrew Callaghan, when I would watch his videos

and... He would go to like flat earth conventions and things like this and all these different

things and everything always comes back to anti-Semitism. All of their conspiracy theories, everything

comes back to anti-Semitism. It's so prevalent. And also it's worth mentioning that a lot of

funding that goes to Israel comes from the Bible Belt in the United States where extreme evangelicals

believe that if the... Jewish people take full control over the land of Israel, that they

will bring upon revelation, the apocalypse. And that, you know, and then the Israeli people,

because they don't believe in Jesus or something, will not be allowed into heaven, but all of

the good Christians will be allowed. I understand. That is a huge... They die in the apocalypse,

according to them. So they will be there. It's a huge... It'll be terra nullis again. Yeah,

but that they have to take the land to do that. And that's a big thing. There's a lot of funding

that comes from that. Nobody ever talks about that. It's absolutely ridiculous. But that's

a huge thing. Like, please. I did not want to know that. It's absurd. And that's the thing

is that whenever these issues that bring up such guttural emotional reactions in people,

it's like all critical thinking goes out the window. Please. We are doing, like before coming

into this studio to record this episode, like I was thinking so much about like I was measuring

angles and doing all the research I could and like taking this very seriously because we

take this very seriously. We're not just speaking here out of emotional reactions with no thought.

I mean, this is an issue that I have been informing myself on for years and I've been listening

to others. first, before ever speaking on this issue. I have been listening for years. I have

not spoken openly on this issue. I have tweeted about it, but I have never spoken on a podcast

about this issue before. Right? We're not reacting here out of just, this is not reactionary knee-jerk

shit. This is, we're thinking about things. And I say that because so much of the reactions

thrown at us, so much of the criticism that will then get thrown at us is clearly not listening

to anything we're saying. It's not listening to the points that we make. That's a huge theme.

Just repeating the same lines back at us. That means you support this. That means you support

this. And not touching anything else. And the framing of this as a religious war is so dangerous

for so many reasons. But it also erases the fact that this is an armed resistance against

an illegal occupation. That's the purpose of it, right? They are attacking Jews because

they're Jews. No, they're attacking Israelis because they are part of an illegal occupation.

Many settlers are active participants in this apartheid. They have weaponry. They are burning

the olive trees. They are going in and knowingly inhabiting homes that used to belong to Palestinians,

and they have the army right beside them to do it. This is not passive civilians, okay?

These are not like settlers in Canada who've just bought a house and then someone tells

them it's part of like unceded treaty land. No, this is a big to do. It's a violent act

that occurs and settlers move in. There are politicians that absolutely should know better,

that are feeding into this very anti-Semitic angle that is attack on Jewish people, and

that Jewish people across the globe are now somehow in imminent danger from Palestinians.

Right? We're framing the flag as a symbol of hate. We've had Toronto police demand protesters

take down their flag because of safety reasons. And a large part of this is due to Mayor Olivia

Chow. She had by far, I think of all Canadian politicians, the worst set of tweets imaginable.

I don't have the screenshots, so I'm going to paraphrase, because she's deleted the first

two. I'm sure it's out there. So she releases one. It's awful. It's. you know, condemns the

violence, but then goes on to say she's working with Toronto police to ensure the Jewish community

is safe. Does not mention, like already retribution is happening, does not mention Palestine at

all, or Palestinians. And that message implicitly denies that Palestinians are criminal in Canada.

It's not a statement about Hamas, right? She doesn't think Hamas is here and going to attack

Israeli targets. That has not been suggested. They do not have that intelligence. This is

the mayor just acting on a set narrative that is absolutely disgusting. And she tries to

follow it up with one of these both sides tweets two hours later, you know, attach it to that

statement as an, oh, I acknowledge that losing life on both sides is bad. But... still doesn't

really acknowledge the occupation at all. She waits a few hours, she takes those down and

she puts up just a hot mess of piece, a hot piece of garbage. Then she tweets out about

an unsanctioned rally. You don't need a permit. There's no office, there's no application to

get a permit for a rally like that in the city of Toronto. The mayor should fucking know that.

She knows that. Jack Layton went to the Supreme Court. Kudos to Hassan. of Migrant Rights Network

for reminding us of all of that. But she says there's an unsanctioned rally that Toronto

police will be dispatched and they will crack down on any instances of hate. Where the fuck

was this kind of response when Nazis were flying their flags and all the

I am not advocating for a police response to this, but the fact that when she does this,

a progressive mayor, she gets up there where Palestinians were working on her fucking campaign,

and she has to say this, that sticks big time. And this has been something that has come from

politicians across the spectrum, NDP, liberal, conservatives, all over Canada, provincially,

all over the place. We've seen this same kind of message. And in the media... has also done

a horrible job covering this. So for the average Canadian who does not know, who is not informed

on the nuance of Israel-Palestine, it's overwhelming, like the picture painting of Palestine as the

sole aggressor here, as a sole aggressor, as the one completely in the wrong, and Israel

has the right to defend itself. You said it. You said the magic phrase. I was like, we got

to get to that. Because that is not the right to defend themselves at all. They're not the

defenders. What have you guys been watching? It's actually it's actually like complete opposite

to what international law says in this situation, which is like, no, you're not you're actually

not allowed to carry out collective punishment, which is what is happening. OK, wait. I don't

want to sound like Mike Gibbs, but I wrote a paper on that. And international law fucking

sucks. I'll tell you why. I'm chewing a skittle, I apologize. I needed moisture. Sorry. That's

so awkward, but I know where I'm at. What international law allows for and what allows the US to act

with such impunity all the time is preemptive measures. And there's really no criteria for

a state to provide. to prove that they were under imminent threat or danger. So arguably

the war on terror was framed as preventing another terrorist attack. And because like a self-defense

law, a really bad one, like a stand your ground kind of law, you can shoot first if you think

your state is under attack. And so... The US has applied this argument to justify their

drone strikes for quite some time, and it has been, like I said, very effective. And while

we mention those drone strikes, I need to mention 90% of which don't kill their intended target

and only kill civilians, right? Just as we're talking about killing civilians. Well, apparently

you're not a civilian. I saw people tweet that there is no Palestinian civilians because they

all support Hamas. So people are taking the most dehumanizing... angles in this. Which

is also just ignorant to... I mean, first of all, West Bank has Fatah, which is just going

on there, not Hamas. So like when you're saying Palestinians, West Bank is still Palestinians,

you know? But it's... This whole narrative has been absolutely absurd. And meanwhile, go over

to Europe for a second. These same narratives which are being said by the same politicians

there. then led to an attempt for the European Union to freeze aid to Palestine. Luckily it

was blocked by Ireland, Spain, Luxembourg and Denmark. Shout out to the Irish for consistently

being... Based. Yeah, consistently being based. But there was an attempt, like these are not

just words, there was an attempt to freeze aid. When we heard, we already mentioned the statement

by the Israeli defense minister to freeze all food, electricity, water, you know. So where

does that leave people? So they're asking to freeze aid because of an attack against civilians.

But then Gaza, which is over 50% of children, gets punished. Yeah, they're only going to

exasperate the conditions what led to this. You know, you're creating desperate people

with no room for hope. And I think it's obviously poignant that Ireland played a role in that

and is likely one of the only ones that is going to be seen on the right side of history here

because they absolutely know what it's like to stand on the world stage by themselves.

and demand independence, and they know what it's like to be vilified for using violence

to gain that independence, but they did. You know, civilians did die, and that was devastating

to those people's families. But I think, as a settler, I don't know what a fight for liberation

looks like. No, no idea. And it probably, it does, it terrifies me, and it terrifies people

to think of what it might look like, especially if you're cognizant that you are on stolen

land. It creates a lot of unknowns. What is the solution then? What does that mean for

me? But in this time, it's a time to be uncomfortable. It's a time to kind of reflect on your position

within that settler society. And that's something I want to speak on from a personal level for

a moment. There is something I want to address there. As I speak on Israel-Palestine, I need

to address my own background. because it does play a role here, of which I still have to

fully unpack, but I've mentioned before, like I am Colombian, but my dad is Lebanese. He

grew up during the war, the civil war in Lebanon. And he actually, he wrote a book about it and

everything, but, and I've read the tales of that, and I've gone and I've seen... You know,

where my family lived in Lebanon, I've seen the bullet holes, I've seen the destruction,

because that destruction is still there to this day. One thing that's terrifying, like, one

thing to show the desensitization that happens, I have a relative who has an unexploded mortar

as a decoration in their backyard, which is just absurd. Maybe don't visit that cousin.

Yeah, no, but, um, and my family is, um... be clear, the Maronite Christian who I consider

to be on the wrong side of history in that war, the phalanges who were inspired by Spanish

fascists. And so I say that because as I speak on these matters, I don't think of this issue

as the ax abstract. It's very easy to talk about issues on the other side of the world and not

really think about the real human. costs here, like the real conditions. I've seen, when I

was in Lebanon and I went in 2019, I drove from north to south, from Tripoli to Tire, I'd forget

the cities in the south, but I was in Hezbollah controlled areas. I went close to the border

of Syria. I heard mortar fire and machine guns fired in the air and the mortar fire being

fired from Lebanon into Syria. I've seen the destruction. So I say this because, and I also

saw the Palestinian refugee camps in the South and the conditions that they're living in.

I didn't venture into them myself personally, but I could see them as we were driving by.

And so I say this because I'm not thinking about this in the abstract. I think of the real human

costs and the real human issues here. And I'm conscious of how my own background plays into

the way I could think about this and I'm unpacking what that means. And I've heard stories of

family members being blown up by car bombs. And I remember, like my dad speaking of when

he was a kid, wanting to grow up and fight to protect Lebanon, fight for the phalanges. grab

him and get the hell out and go to Colombia because she didn't want to see her son grow

up and be radicalized as an ultra right-wing nationalist. It's difficult, these topics,

it's difficult. They're caught like finding a solution out of all of these things. It's

all just horrible. It is horrible, but I don't even know where I'm going with that fully.

But I felt the need to say it as I speak on these issues because it's important to acknowledge

why we, the things that influence us, right? I feel like a lot of people are not taking

a second to think about what is influencing them. Why do we choose to believe the things

we do? Are we just blindly following along to the first thing we heard, the first piece of

information we're exposed to and just go off of that? I don't know. It's far more complicated

than that. And I'm... I just needed to acknowledge that because I feel like that doesn't get acknowledged

often. As a settler in particular, I never criticize the tactics used by Indigenous resistance.

Never. That goes for many movements that I don't have the lived experience to understand where

they're coming from or the tactics that have already been tried or the vision for the future.

I am not privy to all that information, so I don't. I do listen to lived experience. I do

listen to my Palestinian comrades and absorb myself in this, and I have for so long. Right?

Like, I am a little bit older than Santiago. I remember South African apartheid. And as

a child, I remember being taught exactly what was happening, why it was wrong, and why people

needed to resist it. I am Scottish, and I was also raised to understand the resistance that

went there against the English, where the Scottish only had rocks and rudimentary weapons to fend

off the English from colonizing them, and the violence that was experienced there. So I know

it happens. It's. We know it happens. I don't... I take a lot of that at face value. I think

that's what's missing from a lot of people is listening to real lived experiences. And as

someone who soaks up so much empathy, although I don't know what it feels like to have to

fight for my freedom.

I believe the feelings that have been shared with me that I then feel. Like if you're not

really empathetic, you might not know what that is, but.

I don't know how people don't experience things that way. I don't know how you... That's why

I wonder how my Palestinian comrades are even functioning, just trying to think of what's

happening to their family over there, watching the images that are coming across, running

through the scenarios that they're going to have to face because this is unfolding the

way that it is. And that is so overwhelming. Speaking on those images, one thing that really

stuck with me... is the images of buildings in Gaza that are one second they're there standing

and the next second they're rubble. Some of these images came directly from, I remember

I saw one that was shared directly from Benjamin Netanyahu's Twitter account where he was bragging

about it. Yeah, there was a video of a building in Gaza and someone you know I I was looking

around in Toronto and I was looking at some of the buildings and I couldn't help but think

like, you know, what that would mean here. Imagine like one of these buildings, these residential

buildings just being obliterated. Can you imagine? And not just one building. We're talking about

hundreds of missile strikes at this point. It's like what you saw times many, many more. Imagine

an entire neighbourhood wiped out. That would be a core part of Canadian history for generations

to come. But it's become normalized in Gaza. I think a lot of people are desensitized to

it, but the fact that Israeli leaders can, with such impunity, be bragging about this, calling

for genocide. Declaring I am about to commit a war crime I'm like surely they must know

we are seeing the white phosphorus being used and they don't give a shit It goes back to

that first clip where they have been able to do what they have done for 75 years Not just

with impunity but with explicit fucking support Financial political you name it the globe has

essentially lined up on the wrong side And it's because the Western powers created this mess

in the first place. They created conditions of anti-Semitism that were so bad that it allowed

Hitler to do what he did and it prevented Jewish people from going anywhere else because Canada

turned them away too. Right? Canada did not want Jewish refugees. And so the solution that

they came up with was completely unacceptable. And it was of their own making. And like normal,

like all of the colonial bullshit that we do, we never want to be seen as the provocateur,

or we definitely don't want to be seen as the responsible party for fixing it. And so Western

powers are just like, yeah, we'll just keep arming Israel to the teeth and hope this mess

goes away. And by that, I think they mean that until Gaza is gone. Back to that whole right

to defend itself, that irks me for so many reasons. To me, it's almost like saying all lives matter.

Nobody is fucking arguing that Israel can defend itself. They have an iron dome. I don't know

how many nations send them arms or incredible amounts of aid to purchase arms. They all have

bunkers in their house. It is law that you have a bunker in your home. They are prepared to

defend themselves. There's no need to carpet bomb Gaza. to defend themselves. And there's

nobody saying that they can't do that. Of course, every state has a right to defend themselves.

They mean Israel has a right to annihilate their enemy. Because when you defend yourself, you

don't just, you don't kill your attacker and their family. Right? In no place would that

be okay. Even if you had, it's just, it's absolutely ridiculous. And they use that term, it's so

couched, right? Like it sounds so innocuous to say, oh, well they have the right to defend

themselves. And everyone's like, yeah, of course, sure. But that is essentially code for Israel

can do whatever the fuck they want now. You know, Palestinians fucked around and they're

gonna find out. Like that is the real attitude. And not just bots, you know, like I'm engaging

with real people that I know that think that this response is what you get. And it's like

this collective amnesia that I'm really struggling to cope with. But like the power imbalance

is just missing from all of these discussions. And so I wanted to make sure that we spent

time discussing the context, discussing the conditions that exist that would help explain

what is happening. But you know, I fucking knew. I fucking knew the second you heard, you know,

that it would be such an uphill battle, that there would be an attempt to be made to just

stop all Palestinian advocacy. And I imagine it has silenced a lot of people. Well, I've

seen it change people. It's and it's we've seen the silence. I mean, I wish Olivia had been

silent. Silence would have been better. Yeah, silence would have been better. But also, you

know what, like God, I don't even want to lower the bar that low because Olivia Chow has all

the background knowledge to know better. You know, it's much like with Christia Freeland

and how we know that she should have known better when it comes to the Nazi that they welcomed

and applauded in parliament. A lot of these progressives are exposed to these arguments.

And yet... the silence has been deafening. Over the past couple days, it's been deafening.

I haven't heard nearly enough. And you know why? You know, we were nervous coming into

the studio. It is a hard topic to talk about and even harder now. And... But it... One thing

I told Jessel was, and sorry to interrupt, but it shouldn't be this hard to talk about this.

If a country can bomb children... in that way indiscriminately with white phosphorus which

is chemical warfare. That is. How can we not argue against that? How can we be afraid to

argue against that? This should not be a situation where we are afraid to speak because of the

repercussions, because of the consequences. Like, that is so absurd to me. And yet we are,

yet we are. Like, I'm, I get nervous. It's not just fear though. It's exhaustion too. Cause

I've gotten messages from some Palestinian comrades or Palestinian allies, or rather, allies of

the Palestinian cause, who are just not in the place to withstand the barrage. that will face

them if they speak out right now, that they are too worried about family. They are already

carrying a heavy load, personally fucking COVID. Life is hard already. And so to open yourself

up, is throwing self care out the window for an extended period of time. Because I'll tell

you, it has been exhausting. And every time that I cry, about. losing friends over this,

or I get stressed out about all of the hate that comes my way. It's awful, but the only

solace I find is thinking...

what other people were probably going through of how much harder this is for Palestinians

in Canada, how much even harder it is right now for Palestinians in Gaza. And then I stopped

feeling sorry for myself and I try to get back out there. But if you thought talk Twitter

was toxic before social media was toxic before, it's so awful right now. And I wasn't going

to share this, but Because the lasting message that I want to leave with people is you need

to be very loud right now, even though it's going to hurt. And even though there's this

pit in your stomach of horror of what we've witnessed. that those acts can't silence you.

I called my dad over Thanksgiving and, well, he knew because of who I am and what I've done

that I would be thinking of one thing only. So I'm trapped at a family cottage. I can't

talk to anybody about this. So I finally get to talk to my dad and the first thing that

he says to me is, you know, be careful. He doesn't mean like out there violently, he means watch

what you say. not because he doesn't agree with what I'm going to say, because he just doesn't

want to leave me open to what I might face. And I said this on the last episode, and it's

true. It's every time I want to speak about Palestine, it runs through my head that I'll

be attacked. You know, you have to kind of, you know, the way that my mind works, I run

through all the scenarios for everything all at once. So, but this is a process that goes

through my brain every single time I'm going to tweet, even if I'm going to like something.

Like, it's just like, here we go, here we go. You got a brace for it. It takes courage. And

I don't want to make myself sound brave, but I need you all to be absolutely fucking courageous,

especially now, especially now, because if we don't, they will remove the powers that be.

You've seen the way politicians are tweeting. It will become impossible. to effectively create

a free Palestine, unless we push back now. And this isn't something that is just simply happening

on the other side of the world and we're completely separate from. This conflict and these conditions

exist because of the permission granted by Western countries, the permission and the aid granted

by Western countries. We are not simply observers. We are... participants who are complicit in

this brutalization. And it doesn't end as long as the West continues. to give it the go ahead

and to supply the weapons and the funding. This is something that we created artificially.

And it's so unfair to the people of Palestine to be surrounded by something so much bigger

than them, to be honest. It feels so big and so overwhelming. I want to share another tidbit

of when Santiago and I were getting ready to record. And you know, What are we going to

bring up? What do we focus on? What do we have authority to speak on even? And the solution

to the Palestine-Israel debacle, you know, there's so many loaded words. I don't, it's hard to,

conflict, you know, occupation, whatever. I don't know the solution. That's not for me

to decide. And you know, I said to Santiago, It was kind of like, well, what do we talk

about if we don't have a solution? What can we do? Right. You and me, whoever's listening,

you can't bring peace to Gaza. Certainly not single-handedly. And I think the fight has

shifted a bit. So although we'll continue to.

scream for a free Palestine, to demand an end to the occupation, an end to the blockades,

better living conditions for Gazans, like you argue for it all, whatever the right to return,

freeing political prisoners. All of that still has to continue, like I said. But now I think

our most important job, especially as Canadian allies, is to make sure our Palestinian comrades

can safely still do that. and so that the people in Gaza live to fight back again. Right, like

we at the very least need to stop their annihilation because that is happening right now. All pressure

needs to be on a complete cessation of bombing of Palestine. And the end of our governments

celebrating that. But we also have to fight in the spaces. So at the NDP convention that's

coming up and all of these even especially progressive spaces. that are going to find it a lot easier

to just avoid this topic altogether, that isn't a solution at all. And as Michael Brooks put

in the beginning of this episode, it's not a complex issue. It's actually a very simple

issue. There is an oppressor and there's the oppressed. And we have always, always stood

on the side of the oppressed. It's not that complicated.

those who have nowhere to sleep. As you liberate yourself with metaphors, think of others, those

who have lost their right to speak. As you think of others far away, think of yourself and say,

if only I were a candle in the night. This is for Palestine, the capital Jerusalem Unarmed

people marching to the wall and they're shooting them Suppression is a question, resistance

is the answer Long live Palestine, long live Gaza Palestine, the capital Jerusalem Unarmed

people marching to the wall and they're shooting them Suppression is a question, resistance

is the answer Long live Palestine, long live Gaza All you see is war Every time you turn

your head at night Lord shed on the floor mother cries you guys for this time truth between

these walls see the lies between the lines they hide with the bullets coming from the tyrants

dressed in our disguise

until the end even if I got to push back for all my friends cause you know that I'm a fighter

let me see you lighter and we not gonna stop the Palestine's break Don't you not know? Taught

to be blind, taught to not care Tell me what's real Borderlines, military despair How to exist

if there's no rights to be human in fear And if you take away your home, where's the heart

supposed to live? Don't you not know? Taught to be blind, taught to not care Tell me what's

real Borderlines, military despair How to exist if there's no rights to be human in fear And

if you take away your home, where's the heart supposed to live? Me, my team, or you?

I could resist without a wheelchair 10 year challenge, tell Reg if we are still here And

tell that killer Netanyahu he should feel fear The old live through us and guarantee the children

will care Criminal, not invincible and you know it Salmadoon, Salmadoon still sitting in their

stoic May not feel us with you when you listen to our poems You inspire humanity, your resistance

is heroic Regardless of talk, it is time we answer the call Through your strength of spirit

you provide example for all How to live, how to love when attacked from the clouds above

Loud and clear the songs you sung, can't be drowned by the sound of guns Won't just watch

your tragic pain through a satellite dish The least that we can give you is an anthem like

this They panic trade to analyze and sanitize this But we love you more than ever, still

Palestine live free

I'll sing it with me.

to pay time to change this day no change no change no

to face, no. Time to change this state, no change, no change, no. Continuing oppression of the

Palestinians, encircling of the people of Gaza, the killing of civilians, the burning of homes,

the daily oppression, the theft of land, the apartheid system. Bank where there are two

road systems and I've been and I'm sure you have and you see the Israeli road you see like

a spanking new highway with just the settler cars getting back and forth then you see the

old Palestinian roads and it's clearly it's people living under two sets of laws an apartheid

system so all this is being uncovered and the boycotts and divestment and sanctions campaign

which I support and I'm sure many other people do as a peaceful protest against the Israeli

oppression. The poor groups have got to keep proclaiming the rights of the Palestinians

are the right to term, the right to their homeland. And the theft of land is, Israel is breaking

international law, it is breaking the Geneva Convention.