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It's a final countdown.

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Also copyrighted.

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You can sing it.

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It's fair use.

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Fair use.

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This is Technophile Real Talk.

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Thank you to this episode's Checkpoint Software.

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Good morning, good afternoon and good evening.

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Welcome to Technophile Real Talk.

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This is the show where we take technology professionals and react to how TV and media and

all that good stuff depicts technology.

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So as always, we know that Hollywood takes liberties with how they want to portray things.

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Usually it's to enhance a scene.

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Usually it's just to make things more exciting.

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And most of the time it's because it's made up and thank goodness for the world of

fantasy.

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But what happens when fantasy is our reality?

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So this week we are doing the everyone do drum roll with me.

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And welcome, welcome Bob and my personal favorite person in the whole wildest world,

William in the house.

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William and Bob welcome to Second File Real Talk.

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Thanks for having us.

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Looking forward to this.

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This should be fun.

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That's such a great movie.

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Okay.

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You two are hilarious.

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I love you.

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And I'm just going to tell you right now, everyone, they have like an open door whenever

they want to come back policy because even when we were just chatting about

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what movie you want to do.

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They were like cracking me up.

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So I might just like walk away and just let these two run the show.

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Let me just tell you right now.

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So, okay.

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Before we get started though, Bob, I'm put you on the hot seat.

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All right.

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So insistent insistent on doing matrix.

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because it was available.

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No, there's so many good movies on that suggested list, but matrix is a classic.

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I mean, that was kind of in my coming to age.

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That was like when I was in high school, matrix came out.

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it's one of the things that got me excited about computers, technology, all sorts of

stuff.

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Plus I remember all the long weekends of trying to download the soundtrack with Napster.

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and like getting up in the morning and be like, did I get that song by Rob Zombie?

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And no, I.

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failed 70 % and then try it again and then, you know, get some weird torrent, some weird

viruses and stuff.

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Good times, good times.

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Uh, so bringing that up in therapy as maybe think about how great it is.

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Right.

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Oh, that's funny.

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Oh, rest in peace Napster.

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Oh my God.

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Yes.

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These kids today, they don't know the struggle.

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They do not know the struggle, man.

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mean, Oh my goodness.

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The struggle of even even to predate this whole matrix thing is even back in with his

dial-up, right?

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Like you're downloading something and then mom picks up the freaking phone and you're

like, someone is dating themselves.

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Okay.

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William speaking of 96 mod.

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William.

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Well, hey, you're, you know, you're, similarly aged as me.

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what, what, what was it about matrix for you?

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And you're like, see, I want to do matrix.

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Classic.

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So anybody, a little mean anybody who's in technology, who uses it, maintains it, builds

it, designs it.

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Going to love this movie if they have not seen it.

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I mean, if you're talking sci-fi, you're talking tech, you're talking to any topic today,

AI, humanity, ethics, this movie has it all.

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So it has so many different elements that we can explore.

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That's exciting.

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It's engaging visually.

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It's very engaging.

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And then they have great dialogue and great soundbites.

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So this is a must have a view in here.

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movie is literally from last millennium and I still use it in casual conversation.

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you know, my kids will say something and I'll be like,

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You know, there's a hiccup in the matrix or something.

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If they repeat themselves, things like that.

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So it's, it's just a classic, absolutely mandatory watching as far as I'm concerned.

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by the way, one of my martial arts instructors, after he saw this movie, he documented the

best dialogue and quotes from the movie.

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So he came into the studio like the, like the following couple of weeks and he started

talking.

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said, Oh, this sounds familiar.

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It's not just from the matrix.

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He had like a list of like 10 things.

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And her classic quotes.

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know Kung Fu.

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Yes, yes, yes.

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Nice.

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Well, look, I'm going to be the lame one here.

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Keanu Reeves.

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I wasn't really all up into him all that much, but I got to say 20 years later looking at

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I feel like this is what launched him.

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He did plenty of stuff before this, but this is where he went mainstream, I think.

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Oh yeah.

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Well, I think where he got taken more seriously, right?

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More seriously than Bill and Ted, slightly.

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I love Bill and Ted and I would like to do that review.

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I mean, talking about, you know, the concept of time travel, but that's a different

conversation altogether.

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So guys, are we ready for our first picture?

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are born ready.

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Take your red pill, gents.

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We're hitting in here.

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All right, we're going to be doing, we're doing this.

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As you all know, I don't pick scenes chronologically.

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pick whatever, quite frankly, whatever

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So we're doing the infamous red blue pill scene.

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So guys, are you ready?

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Born ready.

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Do you want to know what it is?

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Look at him.

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I just love that old study look and feel.

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It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind...

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Gishburne.

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I think that's launched both Keanu and Lawrence.

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And the fact that he went shades in the dark inside...

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I the glasses.

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That you are a slave, Neo.

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Like everyone else, you were born into bondage.

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Born into a prison that you cannot smell I feel like whenever I record, these are my two

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A prison for Whole face, too bright, or whole face, too shadow.

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Unfortunately, no one can be told what the is.

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This is your last chance after this is no turning back You take the blue pill the story

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Yeah, you take the red pill you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit hole

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That's the party

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Big moment, big moment.

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Remember, all I'm offering is the truth.

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That's perfect.

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Don't you love that disclaimer?

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operate vehicles after control.

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The time that I lighten in the background, perfect.

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Holy smoke and crack on crackers.

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have I've seen portions of I'm going to have to do a full disclosure.

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I have seen the movie in pieces.

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And I forgot how visually like so good.

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It's like, it's sexy for lack of a better description to me.

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It's just so like, the sunglasses right there without you the red and the blue to me was

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I'm hooked.

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I'm in.

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So what, is your first assessment and thoughts on the, on the filming of the, of the scene

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I mean, filming, mean, if you, yeah, if you look across the entire movie, I mean, that's

one of the things that I think brought it out was how many stylistic choices they made,

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but then like the technology they used in the recording itself, the scene right after here

where he actually goes into the matrix.

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and they have the liquid metal thing.

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That's crazy.

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All the bullet time filming they're doing throughout this movie, their use of like

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everything's full of color.

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I mean, it's so good.

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It's such a good movie.

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William, love the fact that can they kind of take Neo as a metaphor for the humanity, like

especially go day to day grind in that coloring.

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you talk about Bob, that monochrome.

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like, it's like something's off here in this world.

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Everything looks boring and looks meticulous.

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Something's up.

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So the background color scheme, the way he's walking through the offices before he

encounters Neo, it's just perfect.

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And then to be in that room where he's presented with a choice is like, Hey, by the way,

Neo, there's a reason why you feel, or not just say Mr.

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Anderson, right?

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So that's before we know what Neo is happening.

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Mr.

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Anderson.

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But the fact that

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He is a possibility of learning of a truth that would explain why he feels weird or

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Powerful.

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okay.

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Okay.

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So we, okay.

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So we're all in technology and we understand the red and blue pill, what that actually

could potentially mean.

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We're in the world and now right.

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20 plus years later, the world of AI, right.

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And there's a lot of implications with that red and blue pill.

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So let me just challenge you guys this.

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And I'm really curious in general.

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I don't even have to say the world AI, but okay, we're in the world of AI.

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Do you, would you take a red pill or a blue pill if you were presented it today?

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given this, mean, I'm a don't give up kind of guy, so I'd be red.

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And even if that meant, you know, what we ended up finding as a huge struggle, I would

still rather take real over fake.

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Yeah, definitely.

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think red because in our world today, it's almost like the algorithms create a virtual

world for us, right?

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Most of them go down a certain path, a certain click, a certain connection.

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That world we recreate what we see every day is not the full world, right?

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It's a piece of a slice of it.

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So we got an opportunity to see multiple slices.

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Now you're starting to get to like, why do things work the way they work?

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What's the meaning of life?

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Can I make an impact?

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And only way you can do that is you got to take the red pill, right?

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Otherwise you're to be stuck in this little piece of the world.

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And you know, it's, it's a limited piece of the world.

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It is.

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Yeah.

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That's the other thing.

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How do you know that anything matters at all?

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If you're just part of the program, like nothing matters.

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you got the Metallica song in my head.

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Thank you.

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Thanks, Bob.

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So, okay.

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Well, know what this is like, Yeah.

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It's almost like a hypervisor.

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The red pill gets you to the hypervisor.

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Yeah.

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And on top of that hypervisor are thousands and of virtual machines.

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So it's like, I want root access.

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which one you want to get into.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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You guys are cracking That's what you to be.

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OK, because as tech, as techy techs, right, technical professionals, I think red pill,

because you have to fix things.

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So you have to get to the root cause of things.

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And living in a fantasy world, for lack of a better description.

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is not feasible because of your profession, right?

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Now, you suspend what you do for a living just for a second?

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What if you are someone that's not in technology?

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Maybe you're an underwater basket weaver.

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Exactly.

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big market for that.

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the whole market is underwater.

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especially with global warming, there's going to be a lot more water now, right?

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So, would you still feel the same way with red pill or blue pill?

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Because maybe you don't know.

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What's going on in the, you know, backend, but all you see is the convenience of living.

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What you're seeing is a, you know, the beauty of things.

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Look at social media.

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So would you still be red pill versus blue pill if you're not in the world of technology?

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Absolutely.

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Because there's more than just basket weaving, right?

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Somebody made something that went into the basket.

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Somebody made some device that you put the basket in and transport it.

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So just by seeing other people do different things, you know, there are different aspects

of life, different things you can work on.

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So the basket weaver, I want to know what else is out there, right?

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So while I'm living, what else is possible?

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What are other people experiencing?

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Cause I only have a basket weaver for the rest of my life.

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like, it's like, it's not an incomplete life.

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So I've got it.

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I got to see more.

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it's hard because in this situation, I mean, putting myself in the role play,

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Neo or Mr.

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Anderson here knows there has to be something more because it just doesn't make sense.

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Um, everything's a grind.

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Nothing seems to be working out.

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Nothing seems satisfying.

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That's a little different for me because in my real life, I'm very satisfied.

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I have a wonderful family.

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I have, I live in a wonderful country that allows us to pursue whatever we want.

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I was able to go to an excellent school.

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So for me, I don't have that feeling of everything's a facade and this can't be real

because I can't control my own destiny.

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I do feel like I can control my own destiny.

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So for me, I would never be in the room to be given a red or a blue pill because I

wouldn't be seeking for what's behind the scene because I feel like I'm in the scene.

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Okay.

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very fascinating.

258

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Okay.

259

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Well, hey guys in the audience would love to hear, are you red pill or blue pill?

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And I hear you guys were on, you know, and don't take drugs.

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We know that there's going to be folks that are always red pill, red pill.

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And I know many of you are watching this on LinkedIn versus YouTube or hearing it, but be

truthful to yourself.

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I'd be really intrigued to see how many people are like, you know what?

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Ignorance is bliss, man.

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I just want a happy existence.

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My time on this planet is short.

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A lot of these problems are not my problems.

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They've been created.

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And why do I want to carry the burdens of the world?

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I mean, there is something to that side.

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I'm just saying.

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So, take both those problems off.

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think about this.

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Well, that was me in college and.

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think about this though.

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In our real life, we have it easier compared to Neo.

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Think about this.

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So if you want to experience something else, you can like literally turn among hundreds

and hundreds of cable channels.

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So if you've got one perspective on life, you can turn a channel and temporarily join that

world and then go through a hundred channels.

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Then you can go online to different YouTube channels, different perspectives, different

languages.

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You can travel, you can walk outside, different people from all aspects of life.

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And then you can return back to your world and your home.

283

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So we actually have it easier.

284

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So we actually don't have to take a pill.

285

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We just gotta push the button or click somewhere else or go outside the house.

286

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That's a great point.

287

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It's very easy to experience something else.

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Right now in my visual, I have my laptop screen.

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I have my other screen over here.

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I have two more screens going and then I have a TV on the wall over here.

291

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So I have five screens going at the moment.

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I can experience a lot.

293

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Hashtag thanks ADHD.

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And the other thing in the movie, I think everybody else is in the same situation.

295

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A Neo, right?

296

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They're all, they're all stuck in the exact same spot.

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And if you go and talk to your family members,

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You automatically have a different perspective already, a different experience.

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So sorry, Neo, you to get a rough.

300

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to get too cultural.

301

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Not to get too cultural into our time, but when you look at what's driving up to that

point in the movie, he's trying to find the answer.

302

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He's not satisfied with life.

303

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And the main people he's surrounding himself with are hackers or party members or drug

users or people who are also trying to escape the reality.

304

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So he's surrounded by people that need to escape because this doesn't feel right.

305

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It doesn't feel inclusive.

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It doesn't feel satisfying.

307

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So there's, there's a lot going on.

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There's a really well-written movie.

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Well, Hey, we can continue acting poetic on red pill, blue pill, purple pill, which is how

I ended up here.

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the pills, green pill.

311

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Exactly.

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Okay.

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So, I'm going to move us on guys because otherwise we're to be here all day.

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Let's do it.

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Are we ready for our second clip?

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I am.

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Do not try and the spoon.

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That's impossible.

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I can bend the spoon.

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Instead, only try to realise the truth.

321

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What truth?

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There is no spoon.

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There is no spoon.

324

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Then you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.

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The Oracle will see you now.

326

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Okay.

327

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So let us talk about the, what kind of technology goes behind CGI.

328

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I've always been curious how much performance of, you know, CPU memory, all that good,

whatever's like how, what does it take to render that spoon back in 2002 versus today?

329

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couldn't have been too much because this was 1999.

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maybe an Etch A Sketch and a Magic A ball.

331

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They just turned the camera to the side.

332

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What actually takes this is a blue pill.

333

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I'm happy with my blue pill people.

334

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That's all I'm saying.

335

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Okay.

336

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Come back, come back to me here, kids.

337

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Seriously though.

338

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Okay.

339

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So to render a lot of the stuff that they showed like, okay, so in this context, it was

the spoon bending, right?

340

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Now we could argue it, you know, back in the day for those kids that don't know.

341

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It could have been drawn, right?

342

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Like Disney style, right?

343

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But this is actual CGI.

344

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So can you guys spit ball back in the day, do you recall how much it would take to create

this?

345

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Cause that scene was pretty...

346

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It was just the spoon itself that was something that was altered.

347

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Everybody else was just human, regular interactions.

348

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So that particular one with the spoons would be much easier compared to majority of the

scenes, especially the fight scenes where you talk about the magic and the bending and the

349

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bullets passing by, which is more complicated, more calculations, more computation.

350

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So that one, I don't think it was too difficult even back in that time for just the peer

that is pending.

351

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I'm trying to think of like what they had for.

352

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For physics engines back then, because the, I think the harder thing was the light

reflection.

353

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Cause I mean, changing a shape and stuff is pretty amateur, right?

354

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It doesn't take a whole lot to change a shape, but it needed to calculate how that changed

his reflection at every point in every angle.

355

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So that's, that's the harder part is trying to do the kind of photon physics.

356

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that they would have had to have done back then.

357

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That's a hard one.

358

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And then the other one that I think is probably more effort than we give it credit for is

going back to the red and the blue pill.

359

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After that, he like gets covered in liquid metal and goes into the matrix.

360

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And I try and think about how much calculations that would take.

361

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Cause it's all the reflections of all the angles as he's getting covered.

362

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And that, that one seems more intense than the spoon one to me.

363

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The spoon, might actually be able to get

364

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relatively easy by having like a bunch of mirrors and then just picking what portion of

the mirror you're doing.

365

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I don't know.

366

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I don't know how they did it back then.

367

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Not a graphics artist.

368

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Yeah.

369

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But if you think about it, who was it that were, I was talking about like when Pixar came

out with how to train a dragon, I think it was like massive amount of terabytes of like

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data that they had to calculate and whatnot.

371

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Now granted again, that's later, later, but man, how

372

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Innovative was that that's right.

373

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Use matrix is 1999 right 98 99.

374

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I mean I picture back in video games Yeah, like back then I remember installing a game

that might take like a gig and you'd be like Wow This must have a ton of cinematics and

375

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stuff to be a gig and I just downloaded a game that came out today hashtag path of exile 2

and That that download was 88 gigs

376

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So you look at how a video game has gone up 80 X in the last 25 years.

377

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mean, you're probably talking similar on, on requirements in order to do anything basic on

these things.

378

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There's a lot of special effects and, and matrix too.

379

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And not only are there a lot of special effects, there's a lot of birth of special effects

that you'd never seen before.

380

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So they're figuring a lot of this stuff out when you're doing the bullet scenes there.

381

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that was like, I believe the birth of bullet time camera.

382

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And what they would have is they would have like a circular rack and the camera would go

and it would be like, like a fast picture camera and it would just take pictures all

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around.

384

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And that's how they did the slow down time and, and pan around while things were flying by

and stuff like that.

385

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And you figure, you know, if you have to have like 20 or 30 cameras, that's 20 or 30 times

more storage.

386

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And then if it's taking pictures quicker, that's another multiplier.

387

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And now you have a multiple of multipliers.

388

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Hopefully you're not saving that up on EBS towards in AWS or your bankrupt.

389

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So it starts to get into the, man, why does movies cost so much money?

390

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You start to understand that.

391

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Right.

392

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And remember now in the older days, you'd have these series that would be like 24 episodes

a year.

393

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They can't afford 24 episodes a year when he's taught to add that much special effects to

standard hour shows.

394

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So now it's like, we're to give you 12 episodes.

395

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Cause that's all the budget will fit.

396

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So by buying, you talk about salaries for the actors.

397

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All this technology in the background, very, very expensive, but the consumer and the

moviegoer, we love and appreciate the work that goes into it.

398

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So it's worth every dollar.

399

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I mean, you reminded me of Westworld, the TV series.

400

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yeah.

401

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Special effects in that.

402

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mean, whoo.

403

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Thinking about where matrix was with a spoon, spoon bending and how mind blown me where

with bullets.

404

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Then we go to the special effects today.

405

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It's just absolutely stunning.

406

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okay.

407

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So any thoughts on the spoon scene?

408

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Because I'd love to go onto the rooftop scene.

409

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Can we?

410

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Yeah, but there's, there's so much tech stuff that comes right after that spoon scene.

411

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So that spoon scene, they're going to see the Oracle and the Oracle is the one that has

all the answers.

412

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And the thing that's funny about that is Oracle is a database company.

413

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Like everybody's familiar with Oracle and what do you use the database for to have all the

answers.

414

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And then the other funny part is she lives in the matrix.

415

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So she is online and the scene right before he gets to ask her a question, she offers him

a cookie.

416

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And that's funny because when we try and use an online application now, we need to accept

cookies first.

417

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So I think it was a little, I don't know if they meant that that way, or if it was just

supposed to be like a nice homie feel, but it's, it's funny that you have to accept a

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cookie before you can ask the application a question.

419

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That is even even better application.

420

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Yeah, go ahead.

421

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Yeah, no, that has to be, I think that has to be an Easter egg.

422

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It was a really good one.

423

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And I didn't pick it up until like probably 15 years after I watched it originally.

424

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But in fairness, when I watched originally, I was in high school.

425

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like, just liked cookies.

426

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So that's actually a recurring thing though.

427

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Right.

428

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So what do we use trust for?

429

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We use it.

430

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Yeah, use a, we use a cookie for tracking.

431

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Right.

432

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So if we see that we've downloaded that image into our.

433

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cash or something, we know that we've already been on that site.

434

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But that's essentially what the red pill is.

435

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The red pill was used as tracking so they could find him in the matrix.

436

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They could pick up his signature.

437

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So that was a concept of a cookie.

438

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Later you have cipher drop a phone in a trash basket so they could track again.

439

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So several times throughout we have this idea of tracking and cookies throughout the film,

which is a nice technology spin as well.

440

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Well, we all know we're all getting tracked.

441

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Even now in this conversation, I'm sure I'll be hit up with a bunch of matrix type stuff

now.

442

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yeah.

443

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And I've already had cookies today.

444

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So that's not as relevant, but I do like cookies.

445

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So I find it very interesting.

446

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Maybe I'll do that.

447

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What's interesting is the whole trust model, right?

448

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Real quick on that one, the trust model here, right?

449

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So you have to go to a stranger that you never met before.

450

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If you want to get these answers.

451

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And they hand you a cookie.

452

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Like, what do you tell kids?

453

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Don't accept candy or items or cookies from strangers.

454

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But if they want the answer, you got to accept the cookie.

455

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Even though you have all this specialized cybersecurity software, to block stuff, where if

you don't allow it, you can't use the services.

456

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So it's all built on trust.

457

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If you want to interact with other people and all this technology.

458

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So I just find that fascinating though, the whole.

459

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is part of the EULA.

460

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You did not your own risk

461

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Yeah, I totally read all this.

462

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What a great point, dude.

463

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Okay.

464

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Well, this goes back again, red and blue pill, right?

465

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Like, do you want to see the underpinnings and how that sausage is made?

466

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Or you know what?

467

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I'll just, I'll just go to oracles and trust whatever they have to say is going to be

gospel.

468

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Right?

469

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So, all right, guys.

470

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Well, we're going to keep talking all day long.

471

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Are you ready for the last clip?

472

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I'd love to try to get us in for a third possible.

473

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Okay.

474

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Oh my gosh, I just got Team America in my head.

475

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It's a great movie too.

476

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Look at that.

477

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Look at that.

478

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of puppets.

479

00:28:51,546 --> 00:28:54,150

Ooh, I love this.

480

00:28:55,174 --> 00:28:56,396

Go Neo.

481

00:28:57,941 --> 00:28:58,893

The optimism.

482

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Ooh.

483

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Ooh!

484

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Improvisation.

485

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But your weakness is not your technique.

486

00:29:20,761 --> 00:29:22,301

And I love the music right there.

487

00:29:22,301 --> 00:29:23,381

Oh yeah.

488

00:29:26,989 --> 00:29:29,349

whole soundtrack from the start to finish.

489

00:29:29,349 --> 00:29:30,549

Absolutely gold.

490

00:29:59,149 --> 00:30:02,409

wonder how long it took them to do the coordination.

491

00:30:21,229 --> 00:30:23,529

Did you get some action there?

492

00:30:30,455 --> 00:30:32,168

lot of anticipation.

493

00:30:32,491 --> 00:30:35,398

Yeah, exactly.

494

00:30:40,287 --> 00:30:41,339

Okay.

495

00:30:42,504 --> 00:30:44,479

I mean, look.

496

00:30:47,165 --> 00:30:59,158

I mean, the buildup to this was he's got a jack in his head and he just downloaded

understanding Kung Fu, which is cool because we think about how we learn things.

497

00:30:59,158 --> 00:31:08,031

It's a combination of like moving our physical body and then relaying that to information

that we store in our brain and we get that muscle memory and he just flat out gets to

498

00:31:08,031 --> 00:31:08,828

download it.

499

00:31:08,828 --> 00:31:10,712

Now he gets to show it off.

500

00:31:11,232 --> 00:31:15,639

And what comes after this, as William was talking about earlier,

501

00:31:16,685 --> 00:31:19,708

There's this concept of, you think that's area breathing.

502

00:31:19,708 --> 00:31:22,260

You think that these rules are actually holding you back.

503

00:31:22,260 --> 00:31:24,132

This is all in your mind.

504

00:31:24,132 --> 00:31:29,816

And so we started to learn that some of these are assets that get pulled into the program.

505

00:31:29,816 --> 00:31:34,380

So like when they're going into fight scenes, they might download guns.

506

00:31:34,380 --> 00:31:36,823

They might download weapons or things like that.

507

00:31:36,823 --> 00:31:39,724

But there's other things that appear to be variables.

508

00:31:39,825 --> 00:31:44,693

So like your speed, your strength, these are things that you can

509

00:31:44,693 --> 00:31:46,234

choose how strong you are.

510

00:31:46,234 --> 00:31:47,746

You can choose how fast you are.

511

00:31:47,746 --> 00:31:52,580

And as long as it's within reason, you get to make yourself faster and stronger.

512

00:31:52,580 --> 00:31:53,881

And that's, that's what we were seeing.

513

00:31:53,881 --> 00:31:59,385

Laurence Fishburne kicking Keanu Reeves butt cause Keanu didn't realize he could move

faster yet.

514

00:32:00,947 --> 00:32:02,688

Fascinating.

515

00:32:06,157 --> 00:32:07,397

Go for it, William.

516

00:32:07,428 --> 00:32:07,918

okay, yeah.

517

00:32:07,918 --> 00:32:11,900

This is whole thing of the limitation is your mind itself.

518

00:32:11,940 --> 00:32:15,882

Most interesting, virtually all the humans have the same limitations.

519

00:32:15,902 --> 00:32:20,905

So machines coded a world in which the humans follow these very specific rules.

520

00:32:20,905 --> 00:32:25,107

So even Morpheus, who's aware of this, has limitations.

521

00:32:25,107 --> 00:32:35,977

So the whole concept of the movie is, Neo is the one where his mind's a little bit better,

where he can see beyond the programming and the limitations of what the program says.

522

00:32:35,977 --> 00:32:36,929

can and can't do.

523

00:32:36,929 --> 00:32:42,076

And he's special because his mind is like, you know what, I can jump higher, I can move

faster.

524

00:32:42,076 --> 00:32:49,447

when I tell my mind these limitations don't apply to me, he has unlimited capabilities,

which is just fascinating.

525

00:32:51,115 --> 00:32:56,327

Yeah, this might be a spoiler alert for such a new movie that came out 25 years ago.

526

00:32:59,709 --> 00:33:06,071

But at the end, like he realizes, okay, I can actually control the matrix and he just flat

out flies off.

527

00:33:06,271 --> 00:33:09,723

I mean, like the rules do not apply to this man anymore.

528

00:33:09,723 --> 00:33:19,917

Well, I think, okay, so what, again, what was getting me is like, so he discovers and he

does again, buck the laws of physics, climbing up the

529

00:33:20,261 --> 00:33:24,343

the thingy to like flip over the column to flip over.

530

00:33:24,343 --> 00:33:31,988

Now granted, anyone that knows anything about all the stunt guys that like, know, Jet Li

and you know, Jackie Chan, they do do that.

531

00:33:31,988 --> 00:33:34,309

Obviously, maybe not at that scale.

532

00:33:34,309 --> 00:33:38,771

But what I thought was interesting is like he said, like, yeah, he learned he can do it.

533

00:33:38,771 --> 00:33:42,653

But there's Laurence Fishburne just like just watching him waiting like, okay, be fancy.

534

00:33:42,653 --> 00:33:48,937

But when you land, I'm just gonna kick you like, it's not only kick you kick you hard

enough to break a pole.

535

00:33:48,937 --> 00:33:49,767

Yeah.

536

00:33:50,423 --> 00:33:53,735

So there's learning and then there's wisdom.

537

00:33:53,735 --> 00:33:55,546

think there's a difference between knowledge and wisdom.

538

00:33:55,546 --> 00:34:06,382

And I think that scene you won guys, you told me this is a really great scene that talks

about again, how we apply, you know, all the things that, you know, the convenience of

539

00:34:06,382 --> 00:34:09,383

what we need in today's society.

540

00:34:09,404 --> 00:34:19,359

And you guys are the ones that are driving the technologies, ensuring that we're able to

deliver on these needs that we have demanded.

541

00:34:19,539 --> 00:34:20,689

And doing it securely.

542

00:34:20,689 --> 00:34:21,350

That's the other thing.

543

00:34:21,350 --> 00:34:21,810

Securely.

544

00:34:21,810 --> 00:34:23,470

haven't really talked about this.

545

00:34:23,470 --> 00:34:25,551

The matrix doesn't really dig into this.

546

00:34:25,551 --> 00:34:35,863

How do you think based on the movie, they view security because it feels like it's, it's

secure when it is convenient.

547

00:34:35,863 --> 00:34:39,295

And other times it's wide open.

548

00:34:39,835 --> 00:34:41,676

that's an interesting question.

549

00:34:41,676 --> 00:34:44,937

And I remember thinking about this back when I originally watched it.

550

00:34:44,937 --> 00:34:46,677

And every time since.

551

00:34:46,699 --> 00:34:53,571

So when you, when they're talking about going in and out of the matrix, and we're gonna

get out of the matrix, they have to get to a landline.

552

00:34:53,571 --> 00:35:01,153

So they have to find like a physically cabled in telephone in order to be able to jack

back out.

553

00:35:01,153 --> 00:35:12,617

And all of us who were there when the internet was created, we all had that wonderful

experience with the modems and somebody picking up a phone while you're on it and they get

554

00:35:12,617 --> 00:35:14,207

that kind of concept.

555

00:35:14,753 --> 00:35:17,285

The weird thing though is the matrix is a program.

556

00:35:17,285 --> 00:35:25,324

So why does a program have a reliance on a physical object that doesn't exist because it's

only in the program?

557

00:35:25,324 --> 00:35:30,659

That's something that I never really got my head around is it seems like a contradictory.

558

00:35:30,659 --> 00:35:35,373

Maybe that's the one error it's showing its age.

559

00:35:37,485 --> 00:35:41,485

I think in the movie they explain it as a broadcast access point.

560

00:35:41,625 --> 00:35:49,085

The phones inside the matrix, the virtual manifestation of what it is, because they have

to go through these machines on the outside world.

561

00:35:49,585 --> 00:35:49,705

Yeah.

562

00:35:49,705 --> 00:35:55,345

Find an access point, the way to connect and actually hacking into the system, which is

pretty cool, right?

563

00:35:55,345 --> 00:36:03,705

When you think about it, these folks who are hacking in have some experience, I guess,

over the ages of actually designing the original machines who went rogue, you know, and

564

00:36:03,705 --> 00:36:05,725

then started war against the humans.

565

00:36:06,007 --> 00:36:06,747

But it's interesting.

566

00:36:06,747 --> 00:36:07,498

They should probably need.

567

00:36:07,498 --> 00:36:12,980

And that's actually a really interesting point and something that should be.

568

00:36:12,980 --> 00:36:15,741

Dived into, especially when you're talking technology.

569

00:36:15,741 --> 00:36:27,045

So you have, you have these, first of all, the very first thing that we notice with

technology here is how unfortunately accurate it is in its gender inequality.

570

00:36:27,046 --> 00:36:32,358

So you have like nine major characters here in this technology movie and to our female.

571

00:36:32,358 --> 00:36:35,829

And unfortunately that's pretty close to real realistic.

572

00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:44,005

statistics, which I think in reality we have about 25 % women in technology and that's

22%.

573

00:36:45,911 --> 00:36:52,824

But they're able to control the matrix are able to load in things and as by manipulating

the code, right?

574

00:36:52,824 --> 00:36:54,825

And we see that today.

575

00:36:54,825 --> 00:36:56,705

We see injection and tax.

576

00:36:56,705 --> 00:36:58,266

see all sorts of stuff.

577

00:36:58,266 --> 00:37:09,751

Anyone who's watching this on a computer, feel free to look up the, the comic about little

Bobby tables, which is about SQL sanitization.

578

00:37:09,751 --> 00:37:15,053

And in that they name their kid like Robert and then

579

00:37:15,053 --> 00:37:19,055

parentheses, drop table students and then end parentheses.

580

00:37:19,055 --> 00:37:26,158

So when they type his name in, it actually drops the students table within the school's

database.

581

00:37:26,158 --> 00:37:27,758

And that's the same concept, right?

582

00:37:27,758 --> 00:37:36,242

They're trying to get into either buffer overflows or trying to get into memory so that

they can pull other things into the programming for these guys.

583

00:37:36,242 --> 00:37:37,722

So there's a lot going on here.

584

00:37:37,722 --> 00:37:39,063

It's a cool movie.

585

00:37:39,343 --> 00:37:39,913

Wow.

586

00:37:39,913 --> 00:37:42,744

interesting thing is the legacy aspects.

587

00:37:42,985 --> 00:37:44,461

Cause the humans remember

588

00:37:44,461 --> 00:37:46,943

the bulk of human population is connected.

589

00:37:46,943 --> 00:37:51,876

So there's some legacy compatibility issue where there's probably some limitations on what

they can do with the code.

590

00:37:51,876 --> 00:37:53,487

The machines can do with the code.

591

00:37:53,487 --> 00:37:54,838

Can they keep having to rebuild it?

592

00:37:54,838 --> 00:37:57,170

Can the humans have to believe what it is?

593

00:37:57,170 --> 00:38:03,914

So probably leaves some openings for their ability to hack in and manipulate it later on,

which is pretty cool.

594

00:38:06,396 --> 00:38:12,820

failed to follow why they would use us as batteries, which is essentially what they're

doing.

595

00:38:14,285 --> 00:38:18,625

Farming people to be like heat batteries.

596

00:38:18,665 --> 00:38:23,325

And if you look at the BTUs, humans generate like 250 BTUs.

597

00:38:23,325 --> 00:38:25,865

That's going to be like at most 100 watts.

598

00:38:25,865 --> 00:38:28,105

So that's not going to power a whole lot.

599

00:38:28,105 --> 00:38:31,345

You can do like compost piles that would do more than that.

600

00:38:31,345 --> 00:38:34,025

And there'd be easier to feed than people.

601

00:38:34,025 --> 00:38:35,885

Speak for yourself, man.

602

00:38:35,885 --> 00:38:36,185

Okay.

603

00:38:36,185 --> 00:38:39,005

You don't get, you don't, you don't go through menopause.

604

00:38:39,005 --> 00:38:39,705

That's all I'm saying.

605

00:38:39,705 --> 00:38:40,405

Okay.

606

00:38:40,405 --> 00:38:41,645

But I have run flashes.

607

00:38:41,645 --> 00:38:42,765

I think, I think, yeah.

608

00:38:42,765 --> 00:38:43,585

Us ladies.

609

00:38:43,585 --> 00:38:45,706

We will, we make up for what you're talking about.

610

00:38:45,706 --> 00:38:51,078

That's my wife says I'm Okay guys.

611

00:38:51,078 --> 00:38:52,749

So final thoughts, final thoughts on this.

612

00:38:52,749 --> 00:38:58,371

So matrix, I know we're all in love with it, but from a, okay.

613

00:38:58,371 --> 00:39:00,972

For a 25 year old movie ish.

614

00:39:01,493 --> 00:39:02,673

it held up well?

615

00:39:02,673 --> 00:39:03,753

It has.

616

00:39:03,874 --> 00:39:04,784

And has, okay.

617

00:39:04,784 --> 00:39:06,295

So it has held up well.

618

00:39:06,295 --> 00:39:08,876

Do you think we play it for the kids today?

619

00:39:08,876 --> 00:39:11,757

The gen Z and alphas.

620

00:39:12,557 --> 00:39:18,122

Do you think they would still get the same excitement that we had for the matrix?

621

00:39:18,122 --> 00:39:20,244

was debating showing it to my kids now.

622

00:39:20,244 --> 00:39:22,485

Mine are slightly on the young side for this.

623

00:39:22,485 --> 00:39:24,507

They're 11, eight and eight.

624

00:39:25,508 --> 00:39:28,390

But I could see in a few years showing them.

625

00:39:28,390 --> 00:39:34,786

It's, it's completely iconic and it's one of those, Hey, you should watch it anyway.

626

00:39:34,786 --> 00:39:37,648

But I think it legitimately holds up except for the first 20 minutes.

627

00:39:37,648 --> 00:39:41,701

The first 20 minutes is dated it.

628

00:39:41,747 --> 00:39:44,698

is rough, it's meant to be uncomfortable.

629

00:39:44,698 --> 00:39:53,861

And I think, especially with my kids, I would lose their attention in that because it's

boring gray scale showing you how crappy it is to be in the matrix.

630

00:39:54,981 --> 00:40:01,643

So I think the first 20 minutes is maybe a snooze fest and a skip, but I think beyond

that, think I'd hold my kids attention with this.

631

00:40:01,643 --> 00:40:02,213

It's pretty good.

632

00:40:02,213 --> 00:40:03,714

Awesome.

633

00:40:03,714 --> 00:40:08,185

William, they got the exciting music, great visuals.

634

00:40:08,629 --> 00:40:12,570

And I got the protagonist, the hero, Neo, that you're rooting for.

635

00:40:13,569 --> 00:40:21,235

The interaction with the technology, with the humans, maybe the suspense, all the

attributes of great storytelling is there.

636

00:40:21,235 --> 00:40:26,236

So 25 years later, that's still, still relevant and still exciting.

637

00:40:27,337 --> 00:40:28,808

It's very subtle things too.

638

00:40:28,808 --> 00:40:36,269

Like if you, if you look at it, there's so many like religious references for a variety of

religions.

639

00:40:36,269 --> 00:40:44,263

So they're doing a lot to even be culturally ageless because the Christians are going to

pick up that stuff.

640

00:40:44,263 --> 00:40:46,074

The Buddhists are going to pick up that stuff.

641

00:40:46,074 --> 00:40:48,256

The Muslims are going to pick up that stuff.

642

00:40:48,256 --> 00:40:52,818

And so it was really smart writing on top of it.

643

00:40:52,818 --> 00:40:56,160

Plus it's, it's nice to see the John Wick origin movie.

644

00:40:56,820 --> 00:40:57,721

yes.

645

00:40:58,602 --> 00:40:58,972

Yes.

646

00:40:58,972 --> 00:40:59,272

Yes.

647

00:40:59,272 --> 00:40:59,692

Yes.

648

00:40:59,692 --> 00:40:59,992

Yes.

649

00:40:59,992 --> 00:41:00,292

Yes.

650

00:41:00,292 --> 00:41:03,924

Hey, did it look my summary of this whole thing is Keanu Reeves.

651

00:41:03,924 --> 00:41:05,225

got to you, man.

652

00:41:06,621 --> 00:41:07,242

Okay.

653

00:41:07,242 --> 00:41:12,284

So, she's held up.

654

00:41:13,605 --> 00:41:15,866

we need to come back and review the other ones guys.

655

00:41:15,866 --> 00:41:16,246

For sure.

656

00:41:16,246 --> 00:41:16,626

For sure.

657

00:41:16,626 --> 00:41:21,698

So I really appreciate your time, Bob, William, guys are rock stars.

658

00:41:21,698 --> 00:41:23,149

Thank you so much for joining us.

659

00:41:23,149 --> 00:41:26,070

I'm going to stop us because I know we're going to keep going on forever.

660

00:41:26,070 --> 00:41:29,692

So everyone, thank you so much for joining us to wait.

661

00:41:29,692 --> 00:41:30,873

Thank you for everyone.

662

00:41:30,873 --> 00:41:32,129

Thank you everyone.

663

00:41:32,129 --> 00:41:33,071

Thank you everyone.

664

00:41:33,071 --> 00:41:34,483

Why do I feel like in the matrix?

665

00:41:34,483 --> 00:41:37,878

Remember how like, you know, they just repeated like there's a glitch there.

666

00:41:37,878 --> 00:41:39,641

There's a glitch in the matrix.

667

00:41:39,641 --> 00:41:41,323

There's a glitch in my head for sure.

668

00:41:41,323 --> 00:41:43,305

Everyone's a glitch in matrix.

669

00:41:43,426 --> 00:41:46,721

Thank you so much for joining TechnoPile Milltalk.

670

00:41:46,721 --> 00:41:48,383

We will see you the next time.