Hello and welcome to the Intermittent Fasting Gems with Jen Podcast.

I'm your host Jen, a middle-aged Michigan mama, wife, and teacher who

in 2021 stumbled upon this crazy cool thing called intermittent fasting.

And before I knew it.

I've lost 46 pounds in four months and gained an incredible lifestyle

filled with complete food freedom.

If you're hungry for unique, no nonsense fasting tips that actually

work, you're in the right place.

So whether you're walking the dog, folding that last load of laundry or cruising to

your nine to five, let's start fasting.

Our way to freedom together.

Welcome fasting friends.

So today we are chatting with Kylie Frazier, who lives in Klamath.

Falls Oregon and Kylie is, a teacher who, she has kind of a non-traditional

if f story that I am super excited to be here with you, Kylie.

So welcome.

Thank you so

Thank you so much.

I'm excited.

well.

All right, wonderful.

So I would like to start off Kylie by you telling us, basically what are

your top three wins with intermittent fasting, whether that be weight

loss or any non-scale victories, like improved sleep, more energy.

Go ahead, Kylie.

Um,

Um, yeah, so

I

say that.

story's a little bit

A little bit.

because intermittent fasting, um, both times it's kind of come into my life

hot and heavy is, um, after I had gone through a different weight loss journey.

Um, and then I've kind of used intermittent fasting as more of a

maintenance strategy, um, versus like coming to it specifically

for weight loss to begin with.

and so I feel like.

a way that's kind of made me hesitant to kind of share my, my side of things, just

in the sense of like, because it makes

Makes me almost feel like

fasts who have come and like lost weight with that.

Um, like, oh, well, you know, you already lost the weight and now

you're just using, I don't know.

And

no.

me.

Like I care too much about what people think.

So, um, anyway, so I guess, um, my weight loss journey kind of started.

Um, in college when I was still in college and I. my highest

weight I had ever recorded was 1

97.

And

Okay.

And that was, I didn't.

super consistently.

Um, I'm five four, so not super tall.

Um, and so, but then there was, and I know people say this a lot, but

there was a photo, there was a moment.

'cause my mom has gone through all of the, you know, weight.

Things throughout her life.

And so I grew up kind of watching that.

And um, she always said she never pushed anything on me, which I appreciated.

But she always said like, if you ever want

Want help.

I'm willing to help you.

Like, I'll pay for your groceries if you want

Aw.

Like, just all that stuff.

So like, she was always willing help, but I just, of course was, you know, in

my, I'm going to eat whatever I want.

It doesn't matter.

And, um, anyway, so my

my sister, one of my younger sisters', 16

birthday, there was photos

was from that, and I was

Like

like mortifying because

I just, I

I just, I was the largest person in every photo and it just

being, you know, there's four of us

four of us daughters

my parents and my

and my

had gone

mom through one of weight.

weight loss journeys at that time.

So she was actually

That.

at that time.

Um, and then

and my dad has always

not

not really ever struggled super hard with his weight.

he can lose it really quickly 'cause men are.

Men

They are, I hear you.

And so, um, so that was really the photo and the time.

That was

That was

about, oh shoot, I'm not even gonna remember yours.

I should have written this down.

But that was probably

probably

2017 ish, I

ish, I wanna say.

Okay.

So how, how old would you have been then?

Because you, you're 29, is that right?

yes.

Yes.

so I

Okay.

So I would've been 20.

I'm like

Okay.

So early twenties.

Early twenties, okay.

Yeah.

that journey.

Okay.

23, 24 I was in college.

Um, so maybe, yeah.

'cause

Yeah,

uh, my first

my first teaching job, I went, I took abroad in Indonesia, so,

those that

those that about a year before I went to Indonesia was when I was

consulting with the nutritionist.

My mom came for that from me because she had a friend that was a nutritionist and,

and

and so she really helped me and I'm kind of the type person.

I discovered that like

I can

I can either really care or not

So like, and I always got good

good grades.

sense of like, just not caring, you know, eat whatever I want.

But then like, when I

When I finally decided to make that choice for myself,

my,

my, like the nutritionist, every week we have like a weekly meeting

and, and I would track everything and she had access to like,

and stuff like

oh yeah, okay.

And so

So she would,

I would,

I would, I just figured it out, figured out

figured out all that.

She

that

tips to start with, but then every time

time,

each week on the phone or

the, or whatever.

She'd like, well,

you're

you're doing great.

Everything.

You're still losing weight.

Like, I don't really know what to tell you.

Like, you're doing awesome.

I was

Aw,

yay.

it almost like a grade.

I dunno how I think about it.

Sure.

I wanted to

Wanted to get a good grade.

And

from that person.

I think that's the teacher in us, you know, the teacher in us.

I know.

So I was

I was actually.

but I was tracking everything.

Mm-hmm.

after I lost the weight, um, when I, so, and then 2020 was when I

went over to Indonesia, so that

So that was right before everything.

So.

couldn't get over there for like a month later and long story,

But,

so.

being in an Asian country during COVID was

stressful,

Uh,

to say the

I bet.

Sure.

we

We were,

were

were fully online for almost 44 years,

um, before, you know,

you know, when everybody else was, come back and we tried

to come back a couple times,

and then people started getting sick and everybody

panic and

was shut

shut.

it

It was

it

Wow.

So how long were you in Indonesia then?

I was there for two and a

I was there for two and a half years.

20, 20, 21

20. 21 was the first one, two,

came back

and then I came back January of 23, so, okay.

and a half,

Two and a half

for

for,

reasons.

But

but long story short,

was

I was actually the smallest,

recorded adult life that I'd ever been, which I actually was kind of

glad about because now that I look back, everything else was super

stressful, but

I was able to, you know, wear swimsuits without feeling self-conscious and like,

you know, I was in a tropical country.

right.

everywhere.

I was doing all this stuff.

So when, so about a year, uh, maybe just a few months.

'cause we had a lot of downtime 'cause no one was on campus and, you know,

Yeah.

You know, and so Sure.

got to the

I finally got to the point of like, I,

food.

I hate it, I hate it.

I don't wanna gain

I don't wanna back.

to find something else like.

Yeah.

I just have

I didn't have to and I was like, I don't, yeah.

So

had been

I had been following, um, bless her heart.

Her name is,

She actually

she actually is the,

of

of someone I went to

school

school.

Oh funny.

Oh, that's cute.

and I've been seeing little bits and pieces and so IF

and Beth is her Instagram.

that's cute.

she

She started

fasting and so

so

just sharing her journey

name

And

and so that was kind of my first

like.

Okay.

Introduction to it.

mom had seen that as well.

And so she got the book delay, don't deny

Yep.

repeat.

And so she's like, I bought these on Audible.

If you wanna listen

Listen to them.

I'll give you my login.

and so I was like, okay.

So when I was on my walks during the day, I would listen.

I listened to the books and um.

binge listened to 'em pretty much, um, both of 'em.

And

same.

I was like,

Well,

well yeah.

yeah.

so I was like,

Like, okay, well I guess this is what I'm doing.

So, and it

and it kind of came in with all

and everything in my

way in my life.

I kind of

it

hit it

hot and heavy.

because

I.

I

Was

was just,

I was done.

I was like, okay, well I'm

okay, I'm not

anymore.

right.

And I think I have started, so I started

an

eight, which

I realized very quickly that that was a long time and I really wasn't that hungry.

And so I

I pushed it pretty quickly.

I did like a half an hour per day or something down to at

Okay,

And then

good.

I think,

I think, yeah, I think when I first started I was still tracking

because I was trying to fit in.

all of my foods.

That I

Oh, right.

Yeah.

hours.

And it was

It was so much.

Yep.

I

I can't do this.

so I was like, okay, you know what?

I'm just gonna stop tracking.

And I, I, it's kind of a blur just because of all the trauma and different

things I don't have to get into.

But um, all I remember is like that first

Summer I decided not to go back home.

Um,

Um, but everyone was gone

had entered a

and we major lockdown,

Um,

uh, getting,

So

so after everyone went home,

the

all the flight, all airports, all the grocery,

everything just like

just like shut

and it was

and it was like blackout.

So we were in our,

apartments

and

the

school had a pool, which nice and

was like five

five teachers that,

left behind that we

oh my goodness.

but then everyone was

Everyone afraid to hang out.

was,

Everyone.

trust their

Sure,

over there.

sure.

so

Like,

Even our Indonesian friends, like no one wanted to go anywhere or do anything, so

so that was a little depressing.

Um,

at the beginning of the

at the beginning of the summer, we tried to, the

the teachers that

teachers

kind of left behind

tried to get together.

once a week, and like each of us took turns making dinner.

And um, but overall I was kind of

I was,

So

so, I had started

looked up an

an exercise program and, um,

online.

I think it was like called like Pink Dragon or something,

or maybe it's different now, but Holly Dokey, she was like

she was like in, um,

I don't know, in a British.

Country of some

okay,

Um, but somehow I

I got connected with her.

workout program.

So I tried to keep that up and I tried to stay active, you

know, and not just sit at home.

Um,

but then

but then with that, obviously,

Could be a problem.

Um,

um, so I just kind of like, like, okay, whenever I'm hungry, whenever I'm bored

eating,

eating,

which

which tended to be around like 11 or no.

Okay.

I'm only

I'm eating eat two hours

I'm like, I'm not doing a

lot,

no

no matter when

like I'm gonna eat my big meal

eat my meal

and then I might eat a snack

snack.

if it was like 12 to two, great.

If it was, know,

Yeah.

if it was whatever.

Whatever.

And um,

Um,

to do that pretty well for that summer.

And so.

I guess one of the

one of the biggest things

I know this is kinda a long story, but

That's okay.

Would not counting not

my food.

That

okay.

blessing.

And then

And also flexibility.

Kind of

Sure.

And, um, and then, yeah,

Yeah.

Just,

I

I guess,

clarity around like not having to stress about finding foods and stuff like that.

um.

And then,

but

but with the stress zone, I think this is kind of an important

Tidbit to say is that with the stress, my body kind of

My body kind of had a weird time adjusting.

fasting

like

days would work

those things would work pretty well.

There would be some

I would think I was doing fine and then

fine

I don't know if it was the humidity or

humidity or whatever.

would hit a

I would a where I just

Like I

like, I felt souse

felt, and I just like

wasn't prepared.

And um,

And um, usually I

usually I.

least for the first little bit and then I would always be so mad like, dang it,

like I thought my body was adapted and you know, but there was just, there was so

much else going on mentally I was at the

Lowest

Point and getting to be the lowest point, um, in my entire life.

And

my entire life.

And so that

was so much more going on, so I'm glad I didn't like give up on

Sure.

there

I know there so many stories.

seen that have gone over in Indonesia as well, that have like gained weight over

the three years that they were there.

'cause it's, it's tricky

Absolutely.

stress in that sense, you know?

And so I feel

So I feel like it's a flexible tool I use

and in that time, even though I was

even though not,

you know,

you know?

like, but at least like that really did help me maintain my weight.

and

And so,

I

so were you still in Indonesia when you got it down to the two hour window?

Yeah, I,

Yeah.

Okay.

really

Yeah, that's what I thought.

So, and that was

and that was just for the summer because I was home.

like, if I don't

Mm-hmm.

was using the app at the time, so I was using the simple

app, but it's changed a lot.

I've seen some recent ads for it, but that was a few years ago.

Um,

Okay.

Before that I really enjoyed that one.

It wasn't paid.

um, because I was desperate and I was like, you know what?

Screw it.

Like, I'm just gonna do it.

But,

do it.

But, um,

For however many months or whatever, I dunno.

okay.

it was

But.

because

really cool because it,

the

it had milestones,

milestones, I dunno if that's right, the word, but, um,

um,

like

so like after a certain

amount of time it

time it would tell you,

you know, burning fat or it

or tell

or you

or

know,

Sure.

That was

and kind of like a little game like, oh, you know, how long can I be

in autophagy before I have to eat?

And like all that stuff.

and

so,

Yeah, so

So that,

did I think, help keep me accountable.

So that's

how.

able to do the two hours.

'cause I was like, okay, I'm gonna start it, open my window, and

then once that window's closed, like I'm not opening it again.

And it was

when a lot of us started, um, when I started, uh, back in 2021 and

started my Facebook group, we all were on the life app and it did all

of that cool stuff that you just talked about and it was actually free.

And we had like our, our.

hearing about that too late, but.

It was nice, but they don't have it anymore.

And so I swear every time I have a new podcast guest on,

I'm like, what are you using?

Um, we're using, um, I think it's easy, fast right now,

and it's been, it's been fine.

It, it, you know, it's free and it does what it needs to do, but yeah,

it's not, it's not, but it's not as, nothing in my opinion will be

ever be as good as the life app was.

That was just awesome.

But yeah.

binge to listen to all

To

to your

your podcast

two weeks.

Um, and so

You did.

The one guy, yeah.

And so well that's, that'll, that'll come in again.

But that one

Okay.

the app, I kind of, I downloaded that app.

I haven't looked at it yet, but I was curious about

Sean

or whatever

Sean.

Yeah.

It took me a, a bit to learn how to pronounce his name correctly, so

I still, uh, he was just adorable.

It's just adorable.

Um, yeah.

But yeah, so yeah, that's definitely a topic that seems to get brought up

every time I have a new, new guest on.

'cause we're all searching for that really awesome free one that does all

of the, you know, has all the bells and whistles and all that stuff.

So, but,

yeah.

Well,

uh, that's super cool.

Yeah.

helped

me.

Sorry.

go ahead.

No, go ahead.

Go ahead.

I didn't wanna cut you off.

So when you, would you say, so right now you're still, are you fasting currently?

Yes.

Yeah,

Okay.

Yeah, so I guess kind of

a

continue my story a little bit.

Yeah,

I'll try to

I'll try to speed it up.

Oh, you are fine.

of details, but,

You're fine.

So,

fast

of fast forward a little bit, so when I,

leaving of Indonesia again, I was there for two and a half years

okay.

started

I started that third year and I was

that I could

that I do it and I was in a much worse place

mentally than I had anticipated.

And there

anticipated and there was

things that was going

other things that was going on.

Sure.

and all that stuff.

And so anyway, that put me

that put into

was an empty shell of a person.

And so by

so time.

I just finally talked to the.

You know, heads or whatever, and I was like, um, I have to

leave after Christmas break.

Like, um, I just need to.

And so I ended up leaving early, which

Which that was a huge torment on my body and my mind because

have

I never

anything early or anything like that.

anything like that.

you

I, you know, am a very dedicated person.

I always

the

followed,

I've all, you know,

you know,

and it just felt so weird because it felt like everybody's energy

towards

like shifted.

Like when I dec

Sure.

I was leaving, I was

Was like,

really exiled, but it just kind of felt like

felt like OST

you know,

know.

Yeah.

okay, she's gone.

Like, okay, bye.

You

Bye.

And

Aw,

so that was

that was really hard.

And so it was a really tough.

Time, that whole transition back to the US And so when I got back, I was

I was completely

teaching.

teaching.

not

I not even

think I

think I wanted to foot.

and the Salem area in Oregon.

If

Mm-hmm.

are from Oregon,

Sure.

Um,

for any, honestly any

honestly, big that was worried about post COVID

just a

just,

And I, you

yeah.

was, I

Was, I talked to one of my professors from college because

the

program

we, it's kind of connected through the

university, and so I was just,

why I came back early and all that

all that stuff.

was like, yeah, that

He like, yeah.

Like we've been hearing a lot of stuff about that.

And he's like, honestly, if you have any doubts about teaching.

Like, 'cause he

Teaching.

for schools in the district and he was like, don't do it.

He's like, it is

Yeah.

Like, he's like, I'm gonna be honest with you.

You, you.

great.

Yeah.

It's rough

that taught me how to be a teacher

how to be a teacher.

to go, you know?

No, it was

Yeah.

so, but I

And so, but I mean,

time of self discovery trying to

trying to figure, you know,

is going

what's going on in,

And so

so

Falls, if anyone

anyone know

little

little town on the border of California almost.

And, um,

my

my sister

lived, my oldest

my oldest has lived here for

11 or 12 years.

And,

Okay.

Um, and came to visit her

um, one, one week and

and she was like, you know, it's pretty chill out here.

Like,

I have

I have teachers

that are teachers.

And

that are teachers and

was

Aw.

So I got

I got certified to,

out in

in

area, and I have been here, this is my third year of

of substituting because every and since I have my license, I've been

of

able long term position.

Sure.

And with that though, getting to know

kind

kind of

in the area.

And

mm-hmm.

you know,

You know, almost every

I was in, in this.

closer

the

to the city

I was

I was

Like my

like, like.

are up, I'm leaving.

Like I'm not gonna, you know, and so none of my positions until now.

Um, as I've made my way further out into the county,

Mm-hmm.

the rural schools, so the actually little town I live in is like 700 people and it's

the teeny, tiniest little school now, and

Oh wow.

So this

Oh, good.

After three years that I've been in that I actually feel like, you know,

so

so in that time

I

I went

very toxic relationship.

Um, and I, it was

it was my first kind of

And so I had

intermittent fasting and I still was,

um,

um, when I was,

and

he, um, was kind of understanding at first

he was

very,

he had a

he

with

of issues with you.

own brain

Okay.

so.

I feel like my doing that.

I never

I never told him

do it and I'm just like, was open if you wanted to talk about it,

talk about it, but like,

saw that as like.

A threat.

Like, you know, every

oh,

eating or like, not

wasn't eating or like

like he was, it made him uncomfortable just

Sure, sure.

like, I don't

You know, like, I dunno.

Yeah.

flags I should have seen, but it's fine.

Um, we're, we, we learned a lot.

We're moving on, but No.

So that my, so I was with him for about two years and I. Still pretty much

kept my intermittent fasting schedule.

Um, but there was a

But there was a lot of, definitely

So like

like usually my regular schedule is like,

my first meal until after the kids leave, so about two 30

ish, depending on the school,

okay, that wa good.

That was my next question.

So what's your, your, your, your main routine?

Yeah, go ahead.

Yeah,

Yeah, so

so usually.

much kept it up to, um, on average about two 30 ish will be

like my first snack, um, right, like right after the kids leave.

And then, you know, we have meetings,

You know,

and then get home around

get home around four.

and then I'll usually

I'll usually wanna walk or,

do something and

you know, do something.

And around five, I try to get done by six.

ideally,

Ideally, I'd love to be done by five 30

by seven 30 most

times.

Okay.

So,

at least.

yeah, two hours.

I, and I've

And I've noticed that I,

eat later, whatever, like if I'm not done eating, like last night, if

I wasn't done eating until six 30, just 'cause of other things going on

mm-hmm.

I didn't sleep as well, like I just, I had

Yeah,

like it, it's weird how it impacts that.

So

it really does.

Yeah.

Like at

So it sounds like, I mean, it sounds like you're pretty close to a 20

and four or like a warrior diet type, uh, routine or schedule.

Okay.

All right.

That sounds like it's work.

So do you want to share, um, like your, how much weight you

did lose over what time or.

So that's why it's tricky because I, so when I was 1 97, my lowest

point I got down to was about 1 48 when I was in Indonesia.

I kind of stayed around that

Okay.

then when I was

When I was with him, I did not,

was another thing is he like kept wanting me to weigh, like he, I think

he just, he was cur like he, I feel

I feel like he was curious about intermittent fasting.

he had a very different idea, his philosophy on health was, I

can work out for three hours at the gym and eat whatever I want.

I was like,

Yeah.

no.

Uh, so we

So

different philosophies.

very different philosophy.

So I think

like, oh, I just do, I'm like, no.

Like I, you know, gin says I shouldn't

says

but

myself,

gonna

I know it's gonna make,

unhappy or whatever.

And so I didn't for the longest time.

And so

and so I finally,

then.

I did gain weight when I was with him, and, um, and I gained, now

I know about 30, about 30 pounds.

okay.

Um.

the time I got back from Indonesia to the time that I had a new

opportunity enter my life after I

After

him.

Um, I had a

I had a person in my life.

any names just in case, but

Sure.

I had a person in my life who was doing,

the, you know, um, I don't know if you know about the

uh oh.

Yeah.

Yeah.

it's kind of

Kind of like,

but it was

okay.

so ozempic.

Um, there's a lot of side effects and things like that.

'cause it's not meant for

Mm-hmm.

right?

It's for those with like insulin problems and stuff of that.

And so all

So all these different,

glide, um, shots and things have come out that work

better

for

for people,

side effects and

side effects and all that.

So that's,

So this

so this

in my

well person in

she was feeling

she

Then, um, eventually her doctor

doctor told

issue with her pancreas, so she had to stop taking it.

Okay.

just bought a new bottle and they were like $500 a bottle.

And so she was like, I can't send it

Can send it back.

My friends wanna try it for cheaper.

Like

just, do you want it, like, do you wanna try

do you want it, like you wanna try it like you don't have to.

Like I'm not

to,

to,

I was like,

I was like,

was so

I was so hesitant because I never thought I would do anything.

you know what?

Mm-hmm.

a

Be a good way to get myself

and I already had my healthy eating.

After breaking up with him and getting back on my regular schedule, I was

Sure.

good habits in place and that's why she

And that's why she thought it would be a good way to kind of keep me

motivated and get me

and get me going.

Um, and

and so, yeah, so I,

and I

and I,

with my

with my intermittent fasting schedule of four hours, I ended up losing

fast.

fast and lost about 16 pounds in the first month.

Um, or

Or like three or four weeks.

Yeah.

Okay.

So she was like, uh, you should probably eat

on

on this.

And so I added an extra snack.

noon.

So I was

So eating.

eating a snack right after the kids left.

And

Okay.

dinner, making sure

High

protein, high,

high, whatever.

so

And so that was just so much.

I hated having to think about

to

that.

and like all that stuff,

Sure, sure.

with

I, with it, um,

so

yeah.

So I just took my last dose about two weeks ago,

And so

and so I'm now officially my lowest,

my

my

weight, I just, um, between about like

40 46. Okay.

Um, and so.

and so

Obviously now

now that I'm off of it, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna have to, you know, go back to,

I was

I, I was afraid was gonna be difficult to get.

fasting schedule.

And so I was like, you

I was like, you know what,

go and try to find some motivation.

And I almost went

almost back to

which are great.

are great,

your

but

came up.

And that was, that was about a month ago.

about a month ago, and I was like.

there was a health and wellness challenge at school, uh, for a bingo.

So like you can, you know, get all the bingos, one of the bingo squares was

listen to a health podcast or whatever.

So I'm like, you know what?

Like, here's this one.

And so I started listening to your podcast and I

That is, so

to that in two weeks.

started doing the nasty drinks.

Um, so I opened my window with that.

No matter how much it makes me wanna puke, you said it would get easier.

But

is it getting easier?

No, but you know what's amazing?

It's

What?

is that it, it is disgusting.

And I literally, my coworkers laugh at me 'cause I gag

every time I have to drink it.

I chug it.

So like, I'm chugging like, like uh, soda water, which like obviously

doesn't, takes a minute to settle

And so like

So.

when I first started drinking, I was kind of taking it around 1 1 30.

'cause I had still had my like 12 eating window.

after I was getting off and so the kids were like laughing at me

'cause I was like, guys smell this.

And they're like, they, I made one of my kids smell it and

she was like, oh, what is that?

so gross.

Anyway, so I'm still taking it, but what's amazing is it works, it,

I know

to

it does.

it's

It does.

I thought it would be kind of scary 'cause vinegar on an empty

stomach kind of sounds weird to me.

Yeah.

so, but it doesn't really bother me until, well after the initial drinking of

What are you,

mm-hmm.

what, what ki what are you mixing with?

Are you mixing it with sparkling water or

Yeah, I, I

what kind?

your phone.

Okay.

I know that's citrus.

I, I've been listening, I've been taking it.

Okay.

I'm just

the lime, ginger.

Water is what

water is what I started with.

like ginger, so I don't know why I started with that.

Okay.

Recommended first,

nix year or whatever.

And so I did not like that.

like

switched

I

to just

Regular

lemon

lemon.

um, it got a little bit better.

It did.

But now, but it still was like, it's, it's literally, and when I

go to like, make the drink, like mix it in the morning to be able to

Yeah.

I, it's when I, soon as o open the apostle vinegar bottle, like I smell

Smell.

cool.

So why you should be, you're not making the, you're not making the cubes.

No,

No, I haven't

I

Do you have a little, not much.

Do you have a fridge at work?

'cause that is so easy.

You just make, I just make up the cubes.

They pop it out and then you add your sparkling water.

It's really not that.

I know.

It's not that.

of a, I don't mind making it every morning.

I just,

Okay.

I'm just saying like every time I smell the outside of vinegar, I

don't know what it is, but it works.

It works.

I know

it's

it's gonna, it hasn't been too long then if you've said, you know,

it's only been a couple weeks.

Right?

So give, give it, let's give it three more weeks and then,

then you're gonna be craving it.

Uh, Kylie.

like I'm still taking it.

Okay.

it.

That, and then another one of your tips is like ending my window with

some, with, I've been ending it with a half an avocado almost every night.

Either adding the avocado into my dinner or just eating half an avocado,

which I never used to eat before.

And that I feel like really helps too,

Yeah, if you end with a healthy fat, um, it, it makes, it really

does help you pretty much sail into that next, you know, fasting hour.

It just makes you, it makes it so much easier to push through.

So, yeah.

Good.

So

been, those have been some tips

that's been.

gained from your podcast.

I

good.

doing that,

Thank you for sharing that.

It's always nice to,

yes.

that people are, you know, um, they're benefiting and it's

working for 'em, so that's awesome.

Um, I like orange now, actually, and I no longer do the, um, it's been

five years now, I've been doing it, so orange is probably my favorite.

Orange LaCroix you ever tried grapefruit?

Because I'm

no.

I, I don't like grapefruit, so I won't do that.

a Costco pack and it has the

Lemon.

because it was like 35 for like

Yeah.

or whatever the lemon, the lime,

Lime and grapefruit.

My, my husband mixes his with grapefruit and he really likes it, but

I, but I don't like grapefruit, so.

So give it a try.

If it's in the,

so

well, there you go.

But

But yes.

Okay.

I'll try that.

you know,

That's good.

that goes.

But yes,

Yes.

So I guess, okay.

Summarizing that

that.

Yeah, so my three, my top three wins, not counting calories, but I just said that.

Flexibility,

Mm-hmm.

like, and just kind of freed

Time because of that

to think about tracking and eating everything all

all day.

And then the last thing, I think

one of my top three wins is pinpointing how specific foods really impact my body.

which is kind of.

Interesting because I have learned, like when I was with, well, okay,

my ex was Chinese and so he had rice, a lot of rice all the time.

Every time

time.

Go visit.

like I would feel so sick like that whole time, even if

Okay.

kept my intermittent fasting schedule and I think it was the rice or I thought

Bought

or

or something

I wouldn't

and I wouldn't really eat a rice,

and I

but, and I never rice in because my,

it, same thing.

Um.

um,

But I've

but I noticed

a

I bought a bottle,

rice

rice

and

and I,

ate that for about three days.

'cause I just, I don't eat the whole thing at once and that's why I just added

it to my meal and it never bothered me.

And so like, I think there's just

so

the white

rice.

Rice.

And.

rice sometimes.

And like brown rice and quinoa by itself is fine.

But I have a brown rice quinoa pack mix that kind of makes

me feel bloated and gross.

And, um, so, but the bosma has not.

Bothered me.

So that's been interesting to figure out.

And then, um, but yeah, just, I mean,

Yeah.

foods like that, but just pinpointing

Yeah.

It makes you

to different

more, definitely more mindful of those foods and yeah, I cannot have rice either.

Um, I just do cauliflower rice now and I mix it with.

You know, like, um, some herb, like urban onion, uh, cream cheese and put it on

the stove and put in some butter and some little bit of heavy whip whipping cream.

Make it like a risotto.

It's very, very good.

Green onions and stuff like that.

Have you been to my, um, have you been to my, uh, recipe site?

Well, it's okay.

That's the

part

part for me.

I hate cooking,

So.

I, I keep it as

It as simple as possible, but Okay.

I tried

I tried in the past week

I knew I was gonna talk to you.

I tried like or

three or four.

that I hadn't

I haven't tried yet.

Because I started listening to intermittent fasting stories after

your podcast ended, not ended, but I

Yeah.

of what I was doing and so

Jen.

Jen, Jen

Jen, I know.

It's, it's close.

And so she has actually like really good de detail details.

I cannot talk

It's okay.

going

Oh, okay.

And so I did the math and I was like, okay, like my groceries, I've

tried to have a budget for the month.

Mm-hmm.

all these discounts like.

If that's probably less than what I would spend if I went to the store.

So I'm trying it.

I, I got my first box today of Marley's Poon.

I haven't made the meal yet, but

so I'm assuming that's a meal delivery, like Green Chef, which I use.

Yeah.

Okay.

Awesome.

Okay.

I haven't heard of that one.

Cool.

I want to get

Get, get

to actually put more effort into my food.

So most of the time my food is

I.

some sort of meat that I have, like chicken, salmon, whatever,

and then veggie, and then a

Okay.

so that it's more interesting.

Interesting.

So

clean, but

clean, but

part, like, I just, I've never loved cooking and I've always wanted to figure

to figure out how to like it better.

Okay.

at it.

Like, I'm good at cooking, don't like

Yeah.

So that, that was one of my questions.

Just, you know, what are you generally going towards?

So you're keeping it pretty simple it sounds like.

Yeah, and just everything,

Yeah, and just everything.

ex and that was last June.

And so, um, since then I've

Since then, I've really kind

in all my other areas of life.

And so getting eating clean, I

good.

I deleted Facebook and Instagram.

I,

know,

yeah, absolutely.

getting, cleaning up my life here.

'cause I live, uh, the place I live right now, like it was all.

God, like, I'm just gonna say that like all of

Yeah.

things that lined up.

Lined up, up.

I live on the

of a

side of a mountain with a view

valley.

I see

Aw.

And

and every,

sunset, and I'm just like, it's the most

most

perfect place I've ever lived in TV downtown.

it.

It makes you put things into perspective.

I, I can imagine.

So I, well, that the thing is like, I never used to like

exercise and I know that's,

question that comes up later,

yeah.

out here and

And

I

I got into walking, right,

before I broke up with him.

And so I was really trying to add that back into my

schedule and it just was tough.

And we lived in the city or in town and, um, the bigger town.

Um, and so, but

So

I moved out here, like you'd

like, you literally walk your door and walk up,

go on any hike you want to, and like,

like,

you not?

Like,

how could you not?

know,

Right.

really

You know, so that's really motivated me and I

no matter which way I go,

go,

so

know.

hill

Sure.

you know, even walking, just walking every day, like that's really motivated me.

And then I've started walking with

Yeah.

And so I started with three

Oh, good.

then I went up to five pounds and now I go to, I'm at six pounds.

And so I just do some like, you know, arm movements while I'm walking.

'cause I don't like to take the time to do separate free weight workouts.

So I just

So how often would you say you work out, um,

I try

you know, per week

every day.

day?

I try to go on a

Nice.

day 'cause my dog, um, so she doesn't really go far from the house unless I'm

walking out there with her, which is

Mm-hmm.

But, um, and then, so I try to at least a mile, but usually

two miles if from most days.

And then, um, and then every other day-ish I'll walk with my weights.

Um, and

Oh good.

yeah, I try to

Yeah.

a break.

I was doing almost

Doing almost every day, but

just felt like

it's a little much, probably.

Yeah.

and

Yeah.

And um,

carrying them.

Yeah.

So, and then I guess I get my three pound, those fit like nothing

now, but, so, um, but yeah, so

oh, very good.

All right.

little boost in my workouts.

And so now

Absolutely

I got a vibration plate,

plate.

Oh, okay.

I've never tried that.

I, yeah, and it just, I, you know, I'd heard good things and, um, it

just kind of, so in the evenings after I eat dinner, I try to do squats.

Sounds funny.

But, um, so

No.

like 50 squats or whatever with my weights on the vibration plate.

And then I've really gotten into lymphatic massage, lymphatic drainage, so really

Mm-hmm.

And so there's a girl on YouTube and I first got, before I deleted

Instagram, um, she was on there.

But like called the specific seven.

So there's the seven.

Her name's Dr. Caitlin that she goes by on, um, which I don't know where her last

name is, but every time she has a video.

Um, but so the specific

Specific.

areas and just like massaging those and I feel like that's really helped with

like just fluid retention and obviously

My, my husband swears by that.

He swears by that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's really helped him.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

so, so just all, so then, and that's why I'm

That's why I'm like,

feel afraid to share my story.

'cause I'm single don't have a

don't

I just have this time to like get these routines down.

But again, like it started five years ago with, you know, the weight

loss and then intermittent fasting.

I'm like, this has been, so whenever people are like, oh my

gosh, I could never do all of that.

You know, I'm just like.

just like,

is my fifth year of adding in all of these different strategies,

yeah.

And that's it.

You.

just have to start somewhere.

Like, just

You have to start and you just have to, you know, kind of, it's a bunch of trial.

I say this all the time, but it's trial and error until you figure

out the things that work for you.

And it's not a cookie, cookie cutter diet that, you know, the

same things that work for me are not, aren't necessarily gonna work.

You know, as well for you.

Mm-hmm.

you know, it might, then they might not work at all.

So you do have to kind of try it and tweak it until you get what works for you.

So, um,

that's why I'm like, when I was

I was feeling

feelings of nauseousness and like all that stuff while I was in Indonesia

and I was like, never, didn't ever stop and say, oh, this isn't working.

You know, like,

right,

okay, what can I do different?

And if that means carrying gr a granola

Granola

for a while

for

I feel confident

sure.

like,

Yeah.

So then that, okay, so I said I tried a couple things before

I, like, in the past week.

So the last

Last

other thing I tried

I tried.

I had done one.

36 hour fast

Okay.

When

just 'cause I wanted to try it.

And

and so I was gonna home weekend.

what, I can do this.

And so I did it and I remember that being like, oh my gosh, I did it.

Like, oh, this

That's great.

Didn't, yeah.

So that was the first one and that was like at least four years ago.

And so I've been afraid to like do another one, but I was like, you know what?

And so I was trying to like, meal is, Mondays obviously is like

what everyone talks about, but there was a fear in me that like.

Be going to school like on Tuesday or whatever.

Like if I hadn't eaten yet, like just a fear that I was gonna be like

headed that I was gonna, you know, feeling I was gonna pass out whatever.

I don't know.

So then I was trying to plan out this schedule.

Okay, if I stop eating at this time, I can go all day Monday and then,

you know, by Tuesday, like I'll have a snack if I need to eat at nine,

like I'll eat at nine if I, anyway.

And it was just like all of this seven and I was just standing there on Saturday

and I hadn't eaten yet on Saturday.

And I was like, you know what?

I was like.

Why don't I just do it today?

Like,

Yeah.

home Saturday and Sunday.

I am like, why would that, you know, and I did, I did almost 40 hours.

It would've been 40 if

Wow.

started at 10:00 AM.

Uh,

Well,

to eat before I went, before I went to church.

yeah.

so I ate, I drank the drink at nine, about nine 20 I guess,

Okay.

ate half an avocado and then I heated up, uh, well 20 minutes later.

And then I heated up two cups of bone broth and took that in

a thermos with me to church.

So I sipped on that through church.

And then

Perfect.

I had.

I had like a cottage cheese and mango, um, snack and then just my

bigger meal later and, or I, no,

Well,

ate for

I ate for eight.

actually gonna be gone that day.

And

Okay.

that before I left.

And then, so nine to, well, five 30 ish, so about eight hours.

I know I made sure to like free feed,

Yeah.

was weird 'cause after I ate the cottage cheese, it doesn't usually make me feel

bloated, but I felt so full and I was like, oh my gosh, like, what if I can't

Sure.

Sure.

but then like two hours later I was.

So hungry.

Like I have

Mm-hmm.

like that in so long.

And so then, um, my friend and I went to this like salad,

uh, bowl, healthy food place.

And um, it was really good.

So we got a big, I got a big old key mo bowl with chicken and all that

Aw,

ended with

great job.

And how do, how do you, how'd you do?

Did you get a headache at Yeah, it's amazing, isn't it?

yeah, and I felt, so there was only one part in the afternoon.

Um, I went to spend some time at my sister's, 'cause I don't have a washing

machine, so I did some laundry and um, which was good 'cause she actually

had a ton of sweets in her house.

And I was like.

Oh no.

But

Yeah,

that wasn't

that wasn't gonna be the first date,

to not eat those.

But anyway,

but anyway.

so, um, played with my nephew for a little bit.

He's the first one of the little baby of the family.

So,

Aw.

um, spent some time and there was one moment where I had to, it was funny

because I never really understood the keto breath, and I've been

like the, the metallic taste for, to me it's almost like a sweet.

Yeah, literally the first couple times

felt it until I was on the tirzepatide.

That's, which is funny 'cause I was still doing a little bit of fasting

and for some reason the tirzepatide must have kickstarted that, um, like,

because never, never remember.

or smelling.

It was a taste and a smell.

I thought a kid was wearing like a weird type of perfume.

I was like, what is that smell?

Because it almost happened almost every day at 10:00 AM is when I help out in one,

in a class with some, some small groups.

And that's about when it would click in when I was doing the tirzepatide

Mm-hmm.

day, that taste, smell, whatever.

So it was super weird.

Anyway.

Um, and so now I get what people are talking about, and that

was just a revelation for me.

I was like, is this what it's like?

Wow.

Yeah.

Um, because then one time in, or the, on Saturday afternoon, um, there was one

moment where I had to exert a little more energy and my dog was chasing chickens

and I was freaking out at her, so like, nah, stop, you know, like yelling at her.

And all of a sudden that flavor just like entered my mouth and I was like.

Like I just, that was my kickstarting, you know, my ketones.

Aw.

so I was like, okay.

I was like, we're fine.

Like calm down, you know?

'cause I know you're not supposed to like exercise heavily on the days when you're

Do you, do you drink, um, green tea at all?

No, I've tried, I bought green tea.

That was the other thing I did that I wanted to do this

week before I met you, um, was

that's okay.

did buy some green tea 'cause I was like, I know it's better.

And I've been tempted to switch from coffee to green tea.

I do not like the flavor.

It

Of green tea.

it tastes like grass and I just,

Yeah.

It, it might taste, take a little getting used to that too, but what I was gonna

say is not only does it have awesome weight loss and health benefits, but it

also does help with that keto breath.

Yeah.

It really

haven't, I don't notice it a lot.

And that's the thing is like, I,

Oh, that's good.

didn't notice it until the tirzepatide and then until again on my, the 30, you know,

Yeah.

fasting time.

I'm about halfway through.

Yeah.

So then during my fast, I've been black coffee and water mostly.

Okay.

recently started eating, eating, drinking, don't eat during the fast.

Um, I have

I started

about an

about,

into my 40 ounce.

Um, water bottle of Celtic sea salt.

yep.

so that, 'cause I tried you talk all the time about the Element T

the element, I tried it one time.

It made me so nauseous.

I tried it in my fast and I literally, it like jumpstarted my in, I don't know, must

have jumpstarted my insulin or whatever.

And I got like, immediately within like 20, 30 minutes of starting to

drink it, I like got lightheaded.

I don't know.

It was

Ooh,

And I

you didn't

do you, hmm.

use the flavor or the, did you use the raw?

Okay.

Hmm.

salt flavor was just so strong.

And I

Yeah.

it just, 'cause I wasn't used to it and my body was like, what is this?

But I

Yeah.

and I never tried it again in the past, and I haven't really needed it.

And like I

And like,

the packets and so I would, I would mix it with like lemonade or something, you

yeah.

Yeah.

my fast or I mean, sorry, during my eating window.

So I did still drink 'em until, well actually.

Probably that was like two years ago I

Okay.

I probably still have a couple packets left, but it's fine.

Uh, so, but yeah.

But

No mineral.

really helped a lot.

Yes, I've used that too.

And, and I only, I only take one a week.

Now when I do, um, one or like two to four a month, I would say, when

I do an extended fast, that's it.

I don't take 'em any, but they really did help me at the beginning.

But now I do the, just do the salt.

If I'm feeling extra hungry or a little off or dizzy or whatever,

um, I try that, drop it in and

I've tried the sparkly mineral water.

that, oh.

during the fast, I mostly, when I was first getting started in Indonesia,

'cause it was, um, not as expensive to buy the sparkly mineral water.

And I, I just, I didn't really, I don't know, once I kind of

Well, some people like it, some people don't.

Yeah.

Yeah.

so I, I don't really do that during the past, so yeah, black, black coffee

Okay.

has been

Oh, that's perfect.

You only do.

Yeah.

And so I was almost afraid, I was just fascinated how well my

body did with that 39 hour fast.

When you wanna know what's funny, this might be TMI, but like I must have

been backed up or something like, so I'm kind of glad I did it on Saturday.

Not really backed up.

Like I usually pretty regular, but, 'cause I still, after not eating for.

hours, 35 hours at

Yeah,

I still like went to the bathroom the next morning and I was like, this is weird.

I

sure.

anything yesterday.

You know, so like, it's just that time

Yeah,

to like, and I felt so

felt so.

just like empty detox.

That's awesome.

And then, um, yeah, by the time I, you know, was starting to eat that day and

just, it was kind of weird eating for more time throughout the day, but I think it

helped that we were kind of out and about.

'cause then it kind of,

Sure.

a little bit

Oh, it does.

Yep.

Absolutely.

so.

Kylie, what would you say is your, what's like your biggest challenge

that you have with fasting?

Huh?

Yeah,

So.

as I mentioned earlier, I care too much what people think about me.

So the definitely probably the social aspect because if people don't know,

you know, or they have never really

You know.

or like when I don't eat, you know, most of the day throughout the school day,

and then when people, I feel like I don't want people to think that I'm judging

them, but also like I feel like I'm me.

Judge because like people will bring, I literally saw somebody the other day,

like, have a piece of pizza in a plastic bag, put it in the microwave, in the

plastic bag, and then it like melted to the pizza and they like peeled it up.

I just was like.

Oh wow.

So I'm like, so I, I don't enjoy super unless I actually have

something to talk to them about.

I don't really

Yeah,

anymore just because I don't want that them to think like, you know,

my, my feelings are on my sleeve.

So I'm like,

sure.

to think that I'm judging them because I'm not.

But anyway, so I guess really just the social aspect.

And

It's a very, very common,

If

very common.

you know, eating lunch with somebody or whatever, like obviously I

can adjust my window to do that.

But at school and since I've been at a new school, you know, with substituting

like it's hard to like for people to hear my whole life story and then

I'll hear it again and then here.

Yeah, so it kind of takes time.

like open up about that.

And I don't

Sure.

a ton about it until, unless they ask, you know, and I'll

Right.

doing.

But then usually when you say intermittent fasting, they're

just kinda like, oh, okay.

You know,

You know, and that's

think

generally because they, they really aren't that knowledgeable about it,

and they just don't know what to say.

And, you know, they think, some people think, oh, it's a, it's an

yeah, for the

go ahead.

recommend the, the, um, 'cause someone had kind of started talking

about it and I felt bad 'cause she had just mentioned Oh yeah.

Like, I, I really kind of started doing that too.

And she's like, sometimes, 'cause she had pulled out a lollipop from her desk and

she's like, sometimes I, you know, just

I,

little boost of sugar to like get me through or whatever.

And I was like.

oh boy.

to read.

I was like, I was like, if you're really interested, like here, you know,

Yeah.

sometimes I have, you know, honey and my tea and that really helps get

me through until noon or whatever.

And I'm just like, Um, but you could go a lot longer if you want to.

You know

I know.

Yeah, it's

so I'm not gonna tell

so I'm not gonna tell her like, oh, that's,

Hey, here's a book.

And

yep.

That's always a good thing to do.

Let me just slip this book to you and uh

No,

oh,

Yeah.

So,

I love it.

yeah.

Love it.

Well, we are almost out of time, but I would really love for you

to share your absolute shiniest gem with our listeners today.

So if you had to give them one piece of advice, what, what do you think?

What's, what are your words of wisdom, Kylie?

I know I was a little all over the place.

Again, non-traditional slash I tend to talk a lot, but I did think

about this one and I, I loved what.

One of your guests said, um, the younger gal, she was about 20 at the time.

it's Mary.

Love Mary.

Yeah.

She lost a hundred pounds.

I know.

I, we heard that update.

Yeah.

And, um, but she said something like, you know, like, think about

where you wanna be in one year.

Like, you could either be in the exact same place if you don't ever wanna start

fasting or just start, you know, and then,

Yes.

could take a year, it could take two years, but like, you'll

be in a much better place.

But, um, my summary kind of was

Kind

overcomplicate it.

Like just start, um, start slow, learn from

learn.

There are so many, I mean, even

I mean, from my rambling,

have heard there are so

there are so many different

and different things

things to

And it's been five years for me that I've been mostly doing

discuss.

and, um,

um,

learn

learn from mistakes.

I put mistakes.

so like my times where I almost passed out.

Learn from that and

Yeah.

Decide.

Okay, now I know.

those times, now I know what true hunger feels like, you know?

And

Absolutely.

I, it did, it kind of sucked, but at the same time, like

it was amazing information.

You know?

So like learn from that.

Don't stop because of it,

Mm-hmm.

and just adapt through the different seasons of life and just don't stop.

Whether that's a six hour window for a time, whether that's a four hour,

Absolutely.

like you know, fasting is

Yeah.

and So.

I love that.

I love that.

Oh my gosh, Kylie, you have shared so many awesome tips.

I can, I can't write fast enough.

I'm gonna have to go back and re No, it's okay.

I'll, I'll write all the gems down as I'm editing and going through and,

um, I am so, I cannot tell you how excited I am that you reached out.

I love that.

And I love that you have a non-traditional, um, story because I.

When you sent me that message, I really got excited because that's what I want.

That's my vision for this podcast.

I don't want it to be do,

time.

do fasting like Jen does fasting.

I want to, you know, talk about and highlight people and what works for

them in all of the different ways, because truly my number one for

fasting is the flexibility in that.

You can do it in so many different ways.

It's a lifestyle, it's not a diet.

And I am so, you know, I'm so blessed that I don't have to, I

found something that allows me to never go on another diet, you know?

And at 50 years old, that is very, very freeing to me.

So I love when you're, you're, you know, your title to your email was, uh.

Nontraditional.

Uh oh.

You caught it.

You caught it.

So, and of course, I, I always love to chat with another fellow

teacher 'cause oh, you know what we're going through every day, so,

Yeah.

Yeah.

in this crazy,

I don't

crazy world.

So.

the day,

Oh, no way.

So, well, you are a, a ball of energy and so much fun.

And No, I just love being able to connect with people, um, all over the

country and all over the world really.

And, um, just be able to share what works, what doesn't.

And, and that's, I think, share and.

That probably comes from the teacher and us too.

You know,

Yeah.

loved, I love to teach, but I really love to learn too.

So, um, if we can say something out there to our listeners and they can take away

a nugget or a gem or whatever, then I feel like, you know, it's a great thing

to be able to help other people too.

So, but

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's

yeah.

That's awesome.

I know I almost

emailing Jen,

did.

then

Yeah.

literally am only on episode like 165 or something, and she's got like 500

episodes out with like so many more

Mine,

gonna get on there.

my episode.

Did you listen to my episode?

I don't know.

I,

Mine's, um, 2 37.

I'm pretty po I'm pretty positive.

It's been a couple years.

COVID time in her

Yeah.

right now,

Oh, no, no, no.

so