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Welcome to Hip Hop Movie Club, the show

that harmonizes the rhythm of hip hop with

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the magic of movies.

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Today, we're discussing All the Streets

are Silent, a documentary chronicling the

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convergence of hip hop and skateboarding

in New York City from 1987 to 1997.

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We're three old heads who put their old

heads together to vibe on these films for

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you.

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I'm Dyno Wright, podcaster, filmmaker,

longtime hip hop fan, and I got to see

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Moby play Maxwell's in Hoboken for the

MusicSnobbery fifth anniversary show.

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So if you know, you know.

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I'm JB, 80s and 90s nostalgia junkie, long

time hip hop fan.

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And I owned this one skateboard here as a

kid.

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This is a Nash Jammin' soundboard.

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It actually had a radio built in on the

bottom, but the darn thing never worked.

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After multiple attempts and changing out

the batteries.

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But yeah, I'm not a big skateboarder, but

I had this one.

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Nice, nice.

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I'm Boogie, a DJ, long time hip hop fan.

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And I also used to try to skateboard, but

I wasn't very good.

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I was more of a BMX bike person.

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In this episode, we'll answer the

question, how influential was the

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skateboarding subculture to the rise of

hip hop in New York City in the late 80s

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and 90s?

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We'll give you five key takeaways to make

a smarter hip hop movie fan.

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All the Streets are Silent is a 2021

documentary, which details the close

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connection between the vibrant subcultures

of skateboarding and hip hop in the late

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80s and into the 90s.

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Along the way, we see some legendary hip

hop acts in the early days on the come

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-up.

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And here are five things you need to know

about All the Streets are Silent

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Skateboard crews in New York City helped

promote and propel the culture of hip hop.

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Club Mars was a major venue for any hip

hop act trying to break through into the

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big time.

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Like Club Mars, a lot of superstar rappers

got early exposure on the Stretch and

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Bobbito radio show.

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Watch this film to see the origin stories

of the Zoo York and Supreme street wear

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brands.

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The Zoo York Mixtape was a flashpoint of

skateboarding and hip -hop's symbiotic

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relationship which helped blossom both

subcultures into multi -billion dollar

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industries.

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Alright, so let's get into it and talk

about that first takeaway about skateboard

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crews in New York City helping to promote

and propel the culture of hip hop.

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As I'll talk to it a little bit, tee it up

for one of you guys as well.

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So I just thought that, you know, these

cultures, these two subcultures were very

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similar in the fact that there's also,

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They express kind of a sense of rebellion

in New York City, which breeds originality

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and creativity.

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These kind of two subcultures emerged like

at the same time and grew and supported

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one another.

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And I just thought it was awesome that Eli

Gesner, who documented this and narrated

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it, was just a genius for doing so.

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But you want to talk a little bit more

about how these skateboard crews

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these skateboard crews help to promote

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Well, yeah, so they were both kind of on

outskirts.

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I mean, skateboarding in New York, I mean,

they were actually kind of divided at

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first.

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You see, most people viewed skateboarding

as a white sport or something that white

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kids did in the suburbs.

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And hip hop, you know, at the time was

primarily on Black and Latino.

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But you see how they, because they were

both on outskirts of what was the main

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stay of Manhattan.

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that they started to kind of come

together.

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I mean, skateboarding, a lot of times

people view it as a nuisance, it gets in

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the way, causes traffic, you know,

whatever, accidents, people get harmed or

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whatever.

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So they kind of stayed to the side and

were kind of trying to find a way to make,

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to get into the mainstream of what was

going on in Manhattan.

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Because, you know, Manhattan at the time,

of course, you know, you had multi, you

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know, at the time million dollar

industries going on, you had banking and

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everything going on all throughout the

city.

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And hip hop at the time wasn't, it wasn't

mainstream at all.

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It wasn't nothing like we see now.

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It was primarily like underground and you

couldn't, they didn't play it in discos or

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anything like that.

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So yeah, I mean, it was just the perfect

blending and the perfect marriage of two

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subcultures.

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You see the kids trying to make it and

trying to look for something better.

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And you have hip hop artists who were also

at the scene or they're trying to get into

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the scene, trying to make themselves.

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get themselves to a better place as well.

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And I mean, it just, I mean, the

documentary, it was pure genius to just

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record what was going on and have that

hindsight of, okay, I'm just gonna record

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this and just kind of put it away for

later.

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And like you said, that I was like, wow,

like if you really knew that he actually

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was documenting this historic happenings.

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I don't even know if he had the idea that

it would get as big as it did now, but I'm

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thankful that we were able to watch this.

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DynoWright?

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gonna Add your thoughts to this.

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yes.

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For one thing, totally agree.

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The amount of archival footage shot by Eli

Gesner is astounding.

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And as a filmmaker, I feel validated that

he just shot everything.

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He never turned the camera off, it seems.

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So, you know, years later, 30 years later,

it all came very useful.

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And so, big ups to him for doing that.

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this documentary did really feel like a

skateboard mix tape too.

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Like it had very much felt like, you know,

hip hop soundtrack to not only the

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skateboarding that happened, but like the

counter cultural stuff that skateboarding

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hip hop was doing.

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Like this rebellion, this like expression.

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You didn't really see this in the other

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It's another way of graffiti, right?

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So to skateboard in the middle of the city

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thinking that graffiti and skateboarding

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in urban areas and so Fast forward 40

years later and it's like celebrated.

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It's multi -billion dollar industry.

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That's kind of funny It's a nuisance until

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later with Supreme but

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Really, really worth watching just for

that kind of like time capsule like you

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like to say JB.

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Yeah, that's one of my favorite phrases,

time capsule, because there's the archival

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footage that you mentioned of the rappers

and skaters.

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Yeah, the graffiti, like you mentioned, is

also seen a lot on the skateboards

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themselves.

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You saw on the back of mine, there's like

some graffiti, almost a good percentage of

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skateboards have some form of graffiti on

them, and the stickers and all that.

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And artists like Jean-Michel Basquiat,

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Keith Haring, like they emerged from the

scene.

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And I think DMC, Darryl McDaniels said,

you know, like the skaters, they're really

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like punk.

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And then they started shifting and they

really liked hip hop because it was like

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underground and it was out of the

ordinary.

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And it was kind of the sense of rebellion

and outsiders.

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And then it kind of followed the same

trajectory of the Beastie Boys.

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The Beastie Boys started out as like a

punk crew and they morphed into a hip hop.

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into a hip hop act.

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There was a synergy between the

skateboarding crews and the Beastie Boys

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as well.

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And I think, you know, a lot of these

characters you see in here are, you know,

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true.

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but these are the people in a scene like

Harold Hunter was the the black skater was

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one of the faces of the movement and that

was like unique to have a Black

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skateboarder and then you know he helped

propel the hip -hop culture as well.

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hip hop culture.

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I mean, even like you talk about, you

know, punk and hip hop lyrics, a lot of

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the lyrics, some of the lyrics were very,

very much the same too.

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You know, just different, you know,

different genre of music, but same message

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coming across.

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You know, we want kind of what's ours and

we're tired of being overlooked.

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know, We want, we want something better as

well.

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So these crews were out there doing their

thing and then enjoying some of the hip

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hop.

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And then our next takeaway was Club Mars

was portrayed in this documentary as such

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a major venue for any hip hop act that was

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We saw that Yuki Watanabe was a co

-founder of Mars and he had been a club

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owner elsewhere.

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And it was kind of like Eli and his crew

had

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Eli and his crew had befriended Yuki he

starts up the Mars club and that really

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opened up the doors for a lot of these up

and coming artists which goes to that time

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capsule motif that we're talking about.

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you want to take us through like some more

about the Club Mars and what you

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discovered there and some of the acts?

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Yeah, so Club Mars became one of those

clubs that, like I was gonna mention

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earlier, you know, hip hop wasn't

necessarily playing in a disco, but Club

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Mars gave hip hop a voice and a stage to

present itself so people could come there

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and hear kind of whatever they wanted to

hear.

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And it wasn't necessarily just a hip hop

club.

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Now Mars had multiple floors.

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Each floor had a different theme.

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So you can go throughout the floors and

hear different genres of music.

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But the one thing that made Mars unique

was that it did include hip hop in that

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format of layering through the different

floors.

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So you'd have many, many different, many

acts that will come through different DJs.

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You know, know, one of my favorite DJs is

New York State, where Funkmaster Flex got

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his start there.

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Moby got his start there, Dres.

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Well, actually, the Black Sheep, both of

them started there as DJs, and Dres

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decided that, hey, while I'm here, I'm

gonna show them I'm also a lyricist, and

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started rapping and rhyming.

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And they ended up becoming an actual act

from playing there as well.

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We're seeing Busta Rhymes emerge on the

scene with the Leaders of the New School.

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DMC was also there regularly.

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He talked about, and mean, you know, if he

was there, Run was there.

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So, you know, he was talking about the

different acts from their generation that

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would come through as well.

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But yeah, it was the place to be.

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And even the skateboarders who weren't

necessarily dressed in traditional quote

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unquote, nightclub attire were allowed to

come.

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through there and then they would come

through the basement entrance and they

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would come up into the club and they would

hang out and mix and mingle amongst the

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different artists who were there.

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And then with the release of the film,

Kids, they were like celebrities.

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They were talking about, yeah, I was

hanging out with Leonardo DiCaprio or I

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was hanging out with this guy and that

guy.

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So they were almost like local celebrities

that were kind of.

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you know, embraced by the artists

themselves from being there.

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And it was just a phenomenal place.

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And it looked like a really cool

environment.

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I mean, I've definitely heard of the club.

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I didn't necessarily know who Yuki

Watanabe was, but yeah, it was amazing.

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I know.

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DynoWright, reflections on what we saw

about Club Mars.

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So from Club Mars sprang a lot of things,

including copycat hip hop shows.

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They talk about Sean Combs starting a

different thing called Daddy's House that

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was trying to bite off that vibe.

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And then from Club Mars came the Phat Farm

clothing label and other clothing labels.

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So Russell Simmons started Phat Farm.

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That sprang forth from Club Mars.

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Rappers got their start there, as you

mentioned.

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I think they said that Zoo York's

headquarters was like a block away

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eventually, I think.

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Yeah, so that area of New York, very

fertile for this creative expression.

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And Club Mars was the place to be for

that.

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Yeah, I was fascinated by Yuki Watanabe's

story.

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He also had a club in Boston called Club

New York, ironically.

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And he had given Afrika Bambaataa and

Grandmaster Flash gigs, as well as a young

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Madonna.

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That was crazy.

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And then Boogie, you mentioned a whole lot

of acts, but also Almighty Kay Gee from

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the Cold Crush Brothers and Kid Capri with

all his mixtapes was out there, DJ Clark

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Kent.

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Q-Tip would stroll in, Guru, Kool Keith,

Ice Cube even came out from the west

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coast, the Jay -Z footage with Jazzo,

absolute legends, absolute legends, yeah.

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Yeah, and even like, not even hip hop, but

other cultural pop culture icons and

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celebrities like Mike Tyson would buy out

the place on occasion, like buy out a

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floor, etc.

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And Vin Diesel was a bouncer there for a

time.

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And then was it Yuki?

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Was Yuki said, I can't remember the guy,

the Zoolander guy.

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I was like, Ben Stiller?

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it guys?

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like skinny, skinny guy, I was like, I

guess Ben Stiller had like a day or two as

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a bouncer somehow.

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I was cracking up.

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bouncer here.

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i think it was around from 88 to 92 was

when Mars was really in in full force and

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then unfortunately due to some gang

violence outside the club Yuki had to shut

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it down but yeah club Mars you were saying

you were just looking BooGie elsewhere

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there's like some facebook groups and some

other youtube videos about club Mars back

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in the day

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absolutely.

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Yeah, you could definitely go down a

rabbit hole looking for old Club Mars

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footage.

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And again, there's definitely a Facebook

group.

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I was like, wow, that's pretty cool.

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It's like a support group.

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It's called, what was it called?

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yeah, Club Mars NYC 1989, Facebook group.

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Yeah.

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It's like a reunion page.

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It's like I see those things with like

Dancing On Air and stuff.

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If you were on Dancing On Air back in the

80s, join this club.

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man.

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with all the girls with the Aqua Net and

everything.

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Yeah, that's right.

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Philly heads know what's up.

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So our third take away is like Club Mars,

a lot of superstar rappers also got early

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exposure on the Stretch and Bobbito radio

show, which was part of Columbia

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University.

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That was a Columbia radio station.

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Dyno Wright, you want to talk a little bit

about Stretch Armstrong and Bobbito show?

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We see a lot of early footage shot by Eli

Gesner, early Busta Rhymes early Method

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Man and Ghostface free styles and It's

hard to imagine now a radio show that

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people would stay up to listen to and

record on cassette tapes

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I can't think of anything that happens

right now that's just like that.

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We live in such a time -shifted society

that there's such a thing as appointment

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radio.

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This was appointment radio at one in the

morning.

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So you skate all day, you go clubbing, and

then you end your evening listening to a

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radio show from an Ivy League college.

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You can't hardly make it up.

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But that's what they did.

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That's wild.

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I mean, there was no SoundCloud, there's

no internet, you know, and if you want to

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hear the latest and greatest like up and

coming acts, if you were really into hip

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hop, that's where you would hear hear them

on the Stretch and Bobbito show.

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The footage of Busta Rhymes freestyling

and then Jarobi from A Tribe Called Quest

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was in there and several other guys that

it just blows your mind.

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Large Professor.

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BooGie, what are your memories of you were

talking before the show about Stretch and

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Bobbito, how you had heard of them back in

the day and even in Newark and stuff.

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You want to talk about your experiences?

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yeah, so yeah, Stretch and Bobbito, they

were a hip hop staple.

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I mean, I didn't necessarily stay up and

listen to the radio that much to hear them

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as they were live, but I definitely

recall, you know, walking through downtown

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and you see vendors, you know, street

vendors selling, you know, Stretch and

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Bobbito 'Beato mixtapes.

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So you can buy a mixtape and actually

hear, you know, some footage from a

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Stretch and Bobbito show.

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And some of the mixtapes would be like a

greatest hits.

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And it would have like all of the latest

hip hop freestyles that would come through

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the radio show.

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I remember also when they used to go up to

the Rucker Park and when Bobbito was like

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the announcer and he would just have some

of the funniest stuff to say.

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And kind of like, actually, yeah, he would

be...

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Kind of like how And-1 got their start.

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He would be on the mic announcing and then

somebody got their ankles broken.

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He had all kinds of jokes for them or

somebody lit it up and it was on fire.

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He was on it.

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And I always thought they were pretty

cool, but the way they started out was

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kind of funny too.

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I remember they were talking about this

one DJ and in the documentary was talking

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about the guy and they were saying, he was

really tall.

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I'm thinking, I wonder if that's.

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if that's that's that's stretch Armstrong.

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And then they started saying something,

I'm like, nah, that's not him.

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And then I remember they started

mentioning the toy and I'm like, yeah,

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they coming back with it.

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The toy, yeah, stretch Armstrong, the toy

that stretched really, you know, really

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elastic.

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And I was like, yeah, that was him.

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But yeah, those guys were, you know,

they're still revered throughout the

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community.

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You know, they contributed so much like by

boosting a lot of these guys.

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start now.

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Like now, if you want to get your start,

all you got to do is just sit in your room

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and record something and put it on

Instagram or Facebook or whatever.

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Back then, it was almost like you had to

prove yourself, go somewhere and just

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freestyle.

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You couldn't just say handwritten rhymes.

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You had to prove that you had a lyrical

skill, a lyrical prowess.

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And those guys provided a format for that.

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So the community of hip hop and culture

should be grateful to them.

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for allowing that to happen.

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Yeah.

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The take away number four is we're saying

watch this film to see the origin stories

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of the Zoo York and Supreme street wear

brands.

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We see these names and these brands out

there, but you're really gonna see how

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they originated by seeing this film.

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I know that briefly, Eli was called by

Russell Simmons to start a Phat Farm line

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of clothing as well, which was really the

first hip hop clothing line.

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And then Zoo York.

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Zoo York was launched in July of 93, close

to where Mars was headquartered.

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But that was after Mars had shut down.

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But it was interesting to see how these

startups would take shape and then take

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off.

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Boogie or DynoWright, you guys want to add

to origin stories of Zoo York and Supreme?

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Supreme.

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I can share about Zoo York and Supreme a

little bit.

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My brother happens to be a very big, long

time Supreme fan.

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So I got wind of it early on.

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But what's fun about Supreme in particular

is that they took their logo.

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They basically bit off of an artist called

Barbara Kruger, and they mentioned this in

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the film.

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So.

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see that too.

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But Barbara Kruger, her art is about

capitalism and so it's kind of

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deconstructing capitalism.

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And so the choice to copy her style for

the logo is either inspired or ironic or

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maybe ignorant.

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I don't know.

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It's kind of funny because at first

Barbara Kruger wasn't that

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wasn't all that bothered by it.

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And it was when a different streetwear

brand called Married to the Mob copied

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Supreme.

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She put them both on blast.

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And I should read, I'll read the thing

that she responded to with this.

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Her response was, what a ridiculous

cluster F of totally uncool jokers.

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I make my work about this kind of sadly

foolish farce.

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I'm waiting for all of them to sue me for

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So good.

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But, you know, what works well about the

actual logo itself is that it's very

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recognizable.

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It's only white text on a red rectangle

and it works.

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So they've gotten a lot of mileage out of

just that.

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And I know Boogie can talk about their...

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their drops and their collabs and the

craziness that happens at 10 o 'clock on

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drop day.

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Yeah, so yeah, like first, like I didn't

even realize that Zoo York and Supreme

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were skating brands.

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I mean, that blew my mind because like

where I live at, you don't really see many

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skate, we don't see any skateboards really

at all.

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I mean, unless you go a couple of minutes

outside like maybe South Orange or

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Maplewood, but mostly around here, you

don't really see too many people on

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skateboards.

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But yeah, I definitely was familiar with

Zoo York and Supreme.

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And I actually own some, I actually own

items from both of them and they had no

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idea that they were skating brands.

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But while I think Zoo York might've faded

a little bit in popularity, Supreme is

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still going very strong.

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I mean, they do these crazy collaborations

with Nike all the time where they'll take

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like a pair of sneakers that are pretty

basic and really well known.

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Like for instance, they'll take the Air

Max sneakers.

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very plain format and they'll slap that

logo on the side and those things will

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sell out in a matter of minutes.

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Like if you don't log on to the site at 10

am to get that drop, it's gonna take a

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minor miracle to get them at retail.

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And when I say like at retail, I mean,

they're retailing for at least 200 bucks

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for the sneakers.

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And if you miss the retail, you can pay

upwards of thousands of dollars for one

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pair.

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This one has the Supreme logo on the side

of them.

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And that's just the sneakers.

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They'll have hoodies and rain windbreakers

and windbreaker pants.

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And it's just crazy.

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But all stemming from skateboarding.

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It's like, what?

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Yeah.

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So the chronology of it was Zoo York

launched in July of 93 and then Supreme

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opened up April 1st, 1994, which gave you

skaters like a nice place to hang out and

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socialize.

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The lines became outrageous with the

popularity.

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It was a massive success, Supreme stores.

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Yeah, yeah, I remember walking by the

Supreme store when I was in New York.

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This was like maybe about, I would say

maybe like eight or nine years ago.

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And I walked past the store, like it was

packed inside.

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I mean, but I was like, yeah, I can't

afford none of that stuff.

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And I just kept walking.

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I can't do that.

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Yeah, it's crazy how this smaller

subculture would grow to become such a

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lucrative business.

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And we'll get to that in our next point

here, which is a final takeaway.

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This is, go ahead.

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Yep.

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we should mention Kids, the Larry Clark

film from 1995, which basically was a

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commercial for Zoo York.

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Before the Zoo York mixtape, which we'll

get to in the next takeaway, comes out.

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Kids comes out in 1995.

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It's a...

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The documentary, well it's not really,

it's not a documentary, but it's basically

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like almost like a historical fiction

about the youth skateboard culture in New

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York.

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It launched the celebrity of Harold

Hunter, one of the famous New York

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skateboarders who was also Black and so

that, we mentioned him earlier.

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And also it launched him probably maybe

into his downfall too, because he didn't

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live much longer after the movie came out.

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I just remember seeing it that summer when

it came out and I still get kind of chills

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about it.

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It was very affecting.

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There's a lot of sexual assault in this

movie and it's pretty gritty.

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I remember thinking I needed to take three

successive showers after watching this

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film.

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So very affecting, very powerful film that

centered around the skateboard culture

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back then.

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So definitely watch this documentary.

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and then go see Kids because you really

get to see it in action.

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I had the same reaction when I saw Kids.

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It was during our college years and I was

like my jaw dropped because it's called

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Kids and these kids these are literally

kids teenagers and so much like you said

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sexual assault, there's abuse and drug use

smoking and chaos.

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Yeah, at such a young age.

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Yeah, I was, I was.

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these guys were some of these folks that

were featured in this documentary were the

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stars in that movie.

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movie.

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Yeah, I remember I saw it much later and I

don't remember how I stumbled upon it.

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I think I was watching something and they

mentioned it.

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I said, okay, I remember hearing a name

and I went and watched it.

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I think I was probably in my 30s when I

watched it.

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So like you're jaw dropping and watching

it, you know, in your late teens, early

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20s.

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I'm watching it in my 30s and I'm like,

what?

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Like, I'm looking at it, I'm like, this is

crazy.

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This is absolutely crazy.

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But I mean, it's the reality.

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I mean, that was their reality, you know?

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So, you know, good, bad or ugly, I mean,

or indifferent, that's what they lived.

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So, I mean, I just used it as a study of

what was going on at that time.

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Mm -hmm.

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And so the final takeaway is the Zoo York

mixtape was the flashpoint of

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skateboarding and hip hop's symbiotic

relationship, which helped blossom both

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subcultures into multi -billion dollar

industries.

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So, yeah, to see the growth of such, of

these regional subcultures, well, hip hop

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was, as we talked about in prior episodes,

was regional, you know, starting in the

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South Bronx, and no one knew it would go

this far, like Biggie says.

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Biggie says.

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The skateboarding also was small

subculture.

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You had Tony Hawk in California out West

and people thought that was just out

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there.

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And then, you know, this subculture of

skateboarding here in New York and just

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00:29:18,615 --> 00:29:23,255

blossomed and the two subcultures kind of

fed off each other for a bit there.

465

00:29:23,735 --> 00:29:25,339

Boogie, you want to talk a little bit more

about that?

466

00:29:25,339 --> 00:29:27,239

little bit more about that?

467

00:29:27,923 --> 00:29:32,683

Yeah, I mean, so the Zoo York mixtape was,

I mean, I'm not gonna find an equivalent

468

00:29:32,683 --> 00:29:40,763

and I would liken it to the And-1 mixtape,

which we mentioned on previous episodes.

469

00:29:41,203 --> 00:29:48,023

So as Stretch and Bobbito are having their

shows or as different artists are coming

470

00:29:48,023 --> 00:29:53,003

through, we're at this time going through

Mars, there's all kinds of archival

471

00:29:53,003 --> 00:29:56,411

footage and recordings from both.

472

00:29:56,595 --> 00:30:04,056

and they had the idea to play video

footage of skateboarders throughout New

473

00:30:04,056 --> 00:30:10,096

York doing their different tricks and have

the backdrop to these performances.

474

00:30:10,176 --> 00:30:17,137

So you get a very contrasting view to what

most people realize, most people outside

475

00:30:17,137 --> 00:30:22,581

of the city view skateboarding as like JB

said with Tony Hawk and you know.

476

00:30:22,581 --> 00:30:27,021

palm trees and they've had the perfect,

you know, skating parks and things like

477

00:30:27,021 --> 00:30:27,601

that.

478

00:30:27,601 --> 00:30:32,961

Now we have, you know, these skateboarders

in the urban jungle of New York City with

479

00:30:32,961 --> 00:30:38,421

hip hop backdrops to their tricks and, you

know, it spreads like wildfire because

480

00:30:38,421 --> 00:30:39,321

it's so intriguing.

481

00:30:39,321 --> 00:30:40,821

It's like, it's catchy.

482

00:30:40,821 --> 00:30:42,141

It's the new thing.

483

00:30:42,141 --> 00:30:47,161

It's against the norm because it's not

playing, you know, the popular songs that

484

00:30:47,161 --> 00:30:49,961

you're hearing necessarily on the radio,

but you're hearing this new stuff, the

485

00:30:49,961 --> 00:30:51,733

stuff that, you know, is coming out.

486

00:30:51,733 --> 00:30:54,213

And people want to be a part of it.

487

00:30:54,673 --> 00:30:57,993

And then you explode from there.

488

00:30:59,193 --> 00:31:09,193

You can go to the Supreme store or you

might run into one of these guys there.

489

00:31:10,313 --> 00:31:15,893

You're wearing the same gear as the guys

were wearing in the mixtape.

490

00:31:15,893 --> 00:31:17,893

It's an instant connection.

491

00:31:17,973 --> 00:31:20,763

You don't have to go out of your way to

make that connection.

492

00:31:20,763 --> 00:31:21,589

You can just...

493

00:31:21,589 --> 00:31:24,289

walk down the street or we're gonna walk

around a corner and go to the store and

494

00:31:24,289 --> 00:31:26,909

just instantly be connected.

495

00:31:27,501 --> 00:31:28,349

Yeah.

496

00:31:31,629 --> 00:31:36,609

Unifying force between somebody mentioned

it in the documentaries like others also

497

00:31:36,609 --> 00:31:41,429

like these rich kids and these these poor

kids and like skateboarding kind of drew

498

00:31:41,429 --> 00:31:47,209

folks together and also with hip -hop hip

-hop culture and skateboarding There was a

499

00:31:47,209 --> 00:31:48,889

guy Vinny Ponte was mentioned.

500

00:31:48,889 --> 00:31:50,729

He was a DJ and a skateboarder.

501

00:31:50,729 --> 00:31:56,629

So he was like doing both things promoting

both cultures and I think he was tight

502

00:31:56,629 --> 00:31:59,437

with Raekwon so

503

00:31:59,437 --> 00:32:01,237

Yeah, it was pretty cool to see all that.

504

00:32:01,237 --> 00:32:05,317

And then you flash fast forward to where

we are over the years.

505

00:32:05,317 --> 00:32:10,237

It's skateboarding, which used to have its

own competitions with the X Games.

506

00:32:10,237 --> 00:32:12,567

It was kind of like, this is extreme

games, extreme games.

507

00:32:12,567 --> 00:32:15,997

And now it's into the mainstream with

being added to the Olympics over the

508

00:32:15,997 --> 00:32:16,837

years.

509

00:32:16,917 --> 00:32:21,077

And as we're recording, we're gearing up

for the Summer Olympics in Paris.

510

00:32:21,077 --> 00:32:25,017

And you'll see skateboarding, half pipes,

and all types of things there.

511

00:32:25,017 --> 00:32:27,601

And then the money aspect of it.

512

00:32:27,601 --> 00:32:28,461

of jumping in.

513

00:32:28,557 --> 00:32:33,977

DynoWright, you want to add to the

blossoming of the subcultures.

514

00:32:33,985 --> 00:32:42,646

Sure, you can see it's fun to see the

origin of you know skateboarding and Hip

515

00:32:42,646 --> 00:32:48,646

-hop as these components of culture and

then you get to see the end result, the

516

00:32:48,646 --> 00:32:53,487

end stage of it where Supreme gets

acquired for 2 .1 billion dollars?

517

00:32:53,487 --> 00:32:56,267

That's quite a valuation for

518

00:32:56,267 --> 00:32:57,187

crazy.

519

00:32:57,283 --> 00:33:01,324

Streetwear brand, a skateboarding

streetwear brand.

520

00:33:01,324 --> 00:33:10,923

The Zoo York mixtape in 1997 is the point

where it becomes more widely known,

521

00:33:10,923 --> 00:33:12,244

mainstream.

522

00:33:12,244 --> 00:33:16,604

You see people wearing Zoo York and

Supreme and not have a connection.

523

00:33:16,604 --> 00:33:17,794

They mention this in the movie.

524

00:33:17,794 --> 00:33:21,404

They talk about who's a poser and who's

not.

525

00:33:21,404 --> 00:33:22,640

At this point,

526

00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,540

At this point, it doesn't matter anymore

because it's so mainstream that you don't

527

00:33:26,540 --> 00:33:29,721

have that connection anymore to actual

skating.

528

00:33:29,721 --> 00:33:34,382

The movie ends with this kind of, here's

where we are now.

529

00:33:36,674 --> 00:33:44,354

It's almost like it's part of the backdrop

now, but back when it was hot, it was

530

00:33:44,354 --> 00:33:45,264

white hot.

531

00:33:47,178 --> 00:33:51,298

Yeah, I like how they did kind of like an

epilogue at the end where it showed you

532

00:33:51,298 --> 00:33:54,218

some key statistics regarding both

cultures.

533

00:33:54,218 --> 00:33:58,598

How skateboarding surpassed like a $2

billion industry.

534

00:33:59,498 --> 00:34:03,538

I mean, Supreme itself sold for $2

billion, but then like hip hop and R &B

535

00:34:03,538 --> 00:34:07,898

surpassed rock and roll in popularity and

sales in 2017.

536

00:34:08,718 --> 00:34:11,268

And there was a one skateboarder,

Hufnagel, who had his own brand.

537

00:34:11,268 --> 00:34:14,118

He sold his own brand for $63 million.

538

00:34:16,202 --> 00:34:21,162

It talked about, unfortunately there was

the tragedy along the way you mentioned

539

00:34:21,162 --> 00:34:26,322

Harold Hunter, he would die of a drug

induced heart failure around age 31.

540

00:34:27,862 --> 00:34:32,942

And then there was another skateboarder

died, I think of a brain aneurysm in his

541

00:34:32,942 --> 00:34:33,622

early 40s.

542

00:34:33,622 --> 00:34:36,706

It may have been Hufnagel, I'm not sure,

but one of those guys died.

543

00:34:36,706 --> 00:34:39,026

I think that was, I think that was Keith

Hufnagel.

544

00:34:39,026 --> 00:34:40,210

And then.

545

00:34:40,210 --> 00:34:42,180

turned a huge profit on his brand.

546

00:34:42,180 --> 00:34:47,250

Unfortunately, he died not too long after

that.

547

00:34:47,274 --> 00:34:47,874

And,

548

00:34:50,146 --> 00:34:50,750

Yeah.

549

00:34:50,750 --> 00:34:55,470

one of the other kids, guys from the Kids

had died, I think it was a suicide or

550

00:34:55,470 --> 00:34:55,780

something.

551

00:34:55,780 --> 00:34:57,002

So yeah, there was.

552

00:34:57,002 --> 00:35:01,422

died of suicide not long after the movie

came out.

553

00:35:01,422 --> 00:35:05,502

Maybe, I think it was 2001, I think,

around then.

554

00:35:06,002 --> 00:35:06,874

Yeah.

555

00:35:08,586 --> 00:35:11,847

There was a thing that, what Boogie was

saying is like these guys that were in

556

00:35:11,847 --> 00:35:17,767

these crews and then some of them were in

the movie kids and they were recognized by

557

00:35:17,767 --> 00:35:21,587

some of the celebrities like hanging out

with Leonardo DiCaprio and then somebody

558

00:35:21,587 --> 00:35:29,951

said that Biggie had recognized Harold

Hunter at one point and it was like...

559

00:35:31,592 --> 00:35:37,672

so it's like, wow, how about that for

these kids that are just like hanging on

560

00:35:37,672 --> 00:35:38,992

the street?

561

00:35:39,132 --> 00:35:40,372

That's pretty good.

562

00:35:40,372 --> 00:35:42,452

You were in that movie, Kids?

563

00:35:42,472 --> 00:35:44,896

Wow, I mean, it just blows your mind.

564

00:35:47,264 --> 00:35:52,284

becoming celebrity and again this is

before social media and things really

565

00:35:52,284 --> 00:35:57,744

going viral so that made it even more

impressive to be to be on Biggie's radar

566

00:35:57,744 --> 00:36:02,704

and there was no no cell phones to take

videos no social media nothing to make

567

00:36:02,704 --> 00:36:06,768

things go viral that's wild yeah and

568

00:36:06,768 --> 00:36:09,848

in between when Kids comes out and when

Biggie gets killed.

569

00:36:09,948 --> 00:36:13,088

So that happened really between 95 and 97.

570

00:36:13,088 --> 00:36:15,648

That's pretty good.

571

00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,076

Yeah.

572

00:36:17,384 --> 00:36:18,240

Yeah.

573

00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:25,340

But yes, eye -opening documentary for sure

about the connection.

574

00:36:25,340 --> 00:36:29,960

I had no clue how intertwined these

subcultures were.

575

00:36:30,420 --> 00:36:35,700

I knew there was some overlap with the

graffiti and the art in them both being

576

00:36:35,700 --> 00:36:43,360

subcultures, but to see that all work

together in that symbiotic relationship

577

00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,274

was interesting and powerful.

578

00:36:51,552 --> 00:36:57,152

So I mean, I think we all, all three of us

really enjoyed this one, but I guess we'll

579

00:36:57,152 --> 00:36:58,632

rate it like we normally do.

580

00:36:58,632 --> 00:37:02,332

So BooGie for, All the Streets are Silent.

581

00:37:02,332 --> 00:37:04,660

Bring that funky flick back or leave it in

the vault.

582

00:37:04,660 --> 00:37:05,616

it in the vault.

583

00:37:06,008 --> 00:37:11,548

I'm definitely gonna watch it a few more

times because I'm pretty sure that I'm

584

00:37:11,548 --> 00:37:15,456

gonna grab some more nuggets out of,

knowledge nuggets out of this one.

585

00:37:16,544 --> 00:37:19,364

DynoWright, All the Streets are Silent.

586

00:37:19,364 --> 00:37:22,344

Bring that funky flick back, or leave it

in the vault.

587

00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,350

Same here, bring that funky flick back.

588

00:37:25,764 --> 00:37:31,364

As for me, I will also bring that funky

flick back.

589

00:37:31,364 --> 00:37:36,204

I love these, what I call time capsules,

where you can see the archival footage of

590

00:37:36,204 --> 00:37:40,244

these young superstars of the hip -hop

world.

591

00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,610

There's definitely one thing to see them.

592

00:37:45,610 --> 00:37:46,900

There's one thing to hear about it.

593

00:37:46,900 --> 00:37:51,540

It's another completely different thing to

see them actually in their element.

594

00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:52,408

Yeah.

595

00:37:52,408 --> 00:37:56,408

Yeah, yeah, yeah, a documentary.

596

00:37:58,936 --> 00:38:04,016

Yeah, yeah, a documentary of 40 years in

the making.

597

00:38:04,016 --> 00:38:06,528

It's pretty, it's pretty good work.

598

00:38:06,528 --> 00:38:07,820

Yeah, right on.

599

00:38:10,648 --> 00:38:15,768

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600

00:38:15,768 --> 00:38:17,588

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601

00:38:17,868 --> 00:38:21,628

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602

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603

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604

00:38:29,573 --> 00:38:32,753

And remember, don't hate, skate!

605

00:38:32,993 --> 00:38:34,477

What else would it be today?

606

00:38:34,477 --> 00:38:36,709

NOOOO

607

00:38:38,637 --> 00:38:39,619

Okay.

608

00:38:39,677 --> 00:38:45,717

What a gem that is.

609

00:38:48,237 --> 00:38:52,393

I miss my, it's like, now I miss my Nash

board with the graffiti on the bottom.

610

00:38:52,393 --> 00:38:57,943

then Yeah, it's actually I was telling you

guys I actually won this one on Double

611

00:38:57,943 --> 00:38:58,487

Dare so that's a