Hey everybody, it's Liz, joining you as usual from central Virginia and the unceded lands of the Monacan Nation. I'm so glad that you are here with me today. And as always, if you want to know whose lands you might be residing on, be sure to check out native-land. ca. There's a phenomenal map there, really helpful for North America in particular, but covers the whole world. And yeah, thank you for being here. And if you are interested in learning more about the Sacred Feminine, I've had almost a hundred episodes of this show, so you know there are lots of ways that you can do that, but if you want to learn from me there are a few ways. You can check out my award winning book, Home to Her, Walking the Transformative Path of the Sacred Feminine. It's available wherever you buy your books. I recently released it on Audible, so if you prefer to listen, you can do that. And you can check out the classes and the retreats that are available via the Home to Her Academy. I have a couple of really cool things coming up this fall, so be sure to check that out. You can follow me on social, at Home to Her, on Facebook and Instagram. And then you can go over to hometoher. com and just check out articles, past podcasts, episodes, all kinds of stuff there. So I will put all of this in the show notes. And if you are a regular listener, I would love it if you would consider leaving a review of this show wherever you access it. So helpful. I say this, I feel like I say this a lot, but it's not like culturally we're drowning in information about the sacred feminine. So any way that we can help each other find this I think is is wonderful and Your reviews really do help other people find this. And as always, you know, feel free to reach out to me with your thoughts and your comments your feedback your suggestions. Social is a really good way to do that email is good too and I always love hearing from you. What is sparked from episodes? What resonates with you what you have to say, so please do that I think that's it. Okay. So let's get on with the show. If you have been listening for a while, you might notice that I get really, really fired up when I get to have conversations that bring together the historical and the spiritual aspects of the sacred feminine. This is kind of my jam. That's kind of what my book is about too. And so my guest today, she's been on my radar for quite some time and I'm just super, super excited to have her here. Cause I know we're going to be able to get into both of those things. So let me go ahead and introduce her to you now. Dr. Marguerite Mary Rigoglioso is the founder of Seven Sisters Mystery School, a world renowned teacher of sacred knowledge and the foremost authority on the history of virgin birth. So I just want to say that again because we're going to talk about that a lot the history Of virgin birth not just a story y'all. This is so exciting. A trusted mentor to people on healing and spiritual paths, She draws on her decades long research and experiences with mother mary and mary magdalene to help uncover their hidden timeless teachings And apply them to our present day needs. The award winning author of several books, including The Secret Life of Mother Mary: Divine Feminine Power for Personal Healing and Planetary Awakening, and The Mystery Tradition of Miraculous Conception: Mary and the Lineage of Virgin Births. She lives in Western Massachusetts, and she is joining me from her home there today. Marguerite, thank you so much for being here. It's such an honor to have you here.

Oh, thank you for having me, Liz. I feel really moved to be here. It's wonderful. I, I can feel your excitement and it's happily contagious.

Oh my gosh. Yes, it's there. And I have to tell you that I, Heard you on another podcast, Sarah Poet. She's been a guest on this show. I've been a guest on her show. I'll make sure to put that in show notes if you all didn't listen to that because it was wonderful. But I heard you on her podcast, I don't know, a couple of years ago. And, and I think it's because Sarah told me about your work initially. And, and I was like, It just totally blew my mind. So we'll get into it. I'm going to leave y'all on a cliffhanger right there, but I'm just, I'm really excited to have this conversation.

Yes. She's another wonderful mystical esoteric sister.

Yes. So yes, she's amazing. Well, so I usually start with guests just hearing some about their spiritual background. And as I told you before we hopped on, I, I'm just curious. I just, I love to hear these kinds of stories from people, but I'm especially curious as it relates to the sacred feminine and whether or not you got anything that was useful that you sort of carried forward and informed you from where you are today, or, you know, it wasn't a journey of something that you had to discard. So I'd love to start there.

You know, as it happens the longer version of what I'll tell you today is in the Secret Life of Mother Mary, the new book that just came out. So people can really get more of a sense of that because I think it's instructive. It's just so interesting to hear what other people are up to and how it compares to your own life. And sometimes it's inspiring. I mean, I would say just the spiritual journey for me, I could pick so many different points to enter with but I was brought up Catholic. And I always try to, you know, get into the homilies and things like that. But even though it was kind of boring, I mean, I did have, I was earnest about, about trying to get the spiritual juice that there wasn't very much of in, in the masses where I went. But my ears always perked up when Mary Magdalene would come along. And so fast forward, really, I mean, gosh. I started having an awakening to mystical material in the form of, of what we call channelers, what I call oracles, like the work of Senea Roman and Barbara. But the one who, who the one who has hands of light her last name is going to come to me in a minute. I don't know why. Is it,

there's two. Okay. Is it, is it Hubbard? Is it that her or is that, am I getting mixed up with somebody else? No,

that's, that's Barbara Marks Hubbard. This one is, and it's not Barbara Marciniak cause she came later in my life. Barbara Brennan, okay. Barbara Brennan, Hands of Light. I started getting into that in my 20s and there was this organization called Interface in the Boston area where I was living in the, in the, at that time. And I started going to all these juicy, Evening events and workshops that they had, including one on by Greta bro. Who's this therapist who told us that it was all about women and self esteem. And she said, well, in order for you to understand how much your self esteem has been wounded, you have to understand that we've all been cut off from the sacred feminine. And did you know that our ancestors and, you know, most of the world did or does still venerate the sacred feminine. And it was like this big aha, right? And so from there, it just led me onto a true investigation. Cause I was, I became a junkie with books, even archeology books like Maria Gimbutas. And I started going to a women's spirituality program that the interface foundation had. It ended up being like this three year journey where I met and worked with some of the leaders then of the women's spirituality movement, read, read, read, had experiences, went on goddess pilgrimages to Crete and Sicily and Greece and that sort of thing. And then eventually landed in grad school because I said, I am so eager about uncovering the historicity of all this that I, I need to become a scholar. And so I ended up at the California Institute of Integral Studies. And then that was really the beginning of the weave. Much more of, of my professional self, my writing self and my, my ability to be a, a spiritual teacher. And then, you know, it just went on from there.

Yes. And I love it. And I feel like you kind of answered what's often my second question, which is, I'll give you a chance if you want to add to it, but you know, how did the sacred feminine come into your life? And it sounds like it's through this, this interface work that you did. Yes.

Yes. Yes. And then on the heels of that, there was a goddess pilgrimage to Crete with the late Carol Christ. So I went on her trip, and it was going to these ancient portal sites, literally doing ritual. I mean, this opened me up in a whole new way. I did another one in Sicily. And so I just took off from there.

Yeah. I mean,

I was all about the goddess

Well, one thing that I love about your journey, and maybe it's because I relate to it too, is that it's, it sounds like that it was a at least somewhat sort of like more of a, a spiritual kind of awakening that you then went and reinforced or dug into from the historical perspective. Yeah.

That's always been my way and my passion because I've been bookish and schoolish and you know, all that kind of stuff. I, I love to dig into what history says and because you get a lot of nuggets. That then can open your own what I call oracle knowing so that's what would happen a lot is it would be like a figure eight moving between the intellectual and the intuitive. One would always feed the other they would, they would play within and that's how I did my entire grad school. It's how I did my dissertation on divine birth in ancient Greece, you know, and then that led to that. That was where I really went into the study of Mother Mary as a divine birth priestess. And that led to the two books that you've mentioned that the secret life of Mother Mary. And the mystery, the previous one, the mystery tradition of miraculous conception. So yeah, the secret life of mother Mary just came out July, 2024. So here we are. Very exciting.

Yes. And it's a wonderful book. And I, okay. So I just, I'm so excited to talk to you about this is, this is one of those things that I think is there've been so many gifts on this path of the sacred feminine since it started for me. But one of them is this realizing that the things that we have treated as fiction, or like, oh, it's just like a story, to actually realize, like, oh, wait a minute, what if that's just like a breadcrumb? It's kind of the same idea of how fairy tales are actually kind of encoded, like, with spells and things like that, and things that we've kind of, Culturally forgotten the significance of and so I so perked up when I I mean just the idea of virgin birth is It's it's so it can be so fantastical and so wild And so I just I want to just dive into this with you like tell me how you got on this path.

Yeah, so my first two books emerged out of my dissertation, really my first three, including the one about Mother Mary, the mystery tradition of miraculous conception. Well, that was through two things. One is I had started to read Drunvalo Melchizedek's book, The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life. I was in graduate school at CIIS at the master's level and I was doing my own research about Demeter and Persephone in Sicily. That was my master's thesis. And I can't quite remember the order of things. I think I might've read in Drunvalo's book that his guide Thoth, the Egyptian god Thoth, was his direct channel, channeler information guy, said that virgin birth was real that Mother Mary engaged it, that there were kinds of conception capacities and so forth. You know, tuck that away. And then when I was researching this book on, or my, my master's thesis on Demeter and Persephone, as they were in Sicily, my origin place, three quarters of my ancestors are from there. The, the author Anna Maria Corradini was writing. With such rapture and in a mystical way about Demeter and Persephone as being a story of Parthenogenetic birth, that Persephone actually came out of Demeter in this direct line without any male interference. And I just received right then, it was a kind of like separate and apart from anything I'd heard from Drunvalo, I directly received, Oh my gosh, divine birth is real. And women were doing it. So she was talking about goddesses. I really understood that it was on every level of the hologram, and it was including women. And so this was a flash of insight that felt so palpable and strong within me that it was like always with me and my dissertation for my my doctorate was going to be a study of priestesses of ancient Greece, cataloging every single thing that had been said about them in the texts. Well, as I was doing that research, what did I find? All of these stories about divine birth, divine conception, virginal conception, and sometimes it was with like male gods and female women. And so I started collecting all these stories. pieces and chunks of information and realized that I could categorize them into types of divine birth. And I thought, this is a real priestess practice. This is not just a made up thing. And Mary was not the only person. And of course, I All the time with that I was thinking about Mother Mary and at some point I found her gospel, the infancy gospel of James about her divine birth from her mother and her divine birth of Jesus, which is, you know, what the mystery tradition of miraculous conception book is all about. And I kind of had to put that on hold while I just focused my dissertation on ancient Greece, but I would have cartloads of books coming back and forth from my, the CIIS library for interlibrary loan. It literally was hilarious. And by night I would be scanning, reading, posting, noting, and by day I'd be like writing and that process took nine months. And the cult of divine birth in ancient Greece was born. Well, my dissertation was born, but out of that were two books. The cult of divine birth in ancient Greece and then virgin mother goddesses of antiquity. Those are the two really strong academic backgrounders. of the evidence for divine birth in the ancient Mediterranean world, especially Greece. And so with all of that information, I had the understandings, the signs, the codings, the cataloging of types of divine birth. I knew the symbols. I knew what things meant. So then when I went into Mother Mary's gospel, which originally was called Birth of Mary, by the way I was able to decode and read it easily. I, and I understood what was going on, how these women were part of a lineage, what they were actually doing, as many details as I could glean about the actual process of divine birth and so forth. So all of this, you know, has been feeding into each other. And, and at the same time, you know, I'm, I'm a trained Oracle. I've, I trained my, I trained in psychic school for clairvoyance, but then I really trained myself in Oracle, knowing clear cognizance, and I have used sacred medicines to further open my consciousness. And so all of this has been, you know, working together. I'm like an academic oracle or an oracular scholar, whatever you want to call it, you know and, and even that has been migrating lately as I've been presenting this book, the secret life of mother Mary to the world. And I've been really understanding through these conversations I've been having with people that I'm up leveling to a whole new level of being able to embody this material and these teachings, particularly from the Mary's. So I'll just pause there.

Oh my gosh. So much. So fascinating. Okay. I have so many questions. This happens sometimes. So they're like all kind of bouncing in my head and we'll see if I can remember them all. But so going back to your dissertation. What, tell me what kind of or just an example of like, what were, what are some of the sources where you were finding these references? Because they're not known in, in our culture, right? And I don't, I wouldn't even imagine that you're coming across it if you're studying ancient Greece in a master's program, you'd have to be looking for it, right? So I'm super curious, like where you, where you were,

where you caught the

trail.

I had that theory in my mind that women were conducting divine birth as part of a holy practice. And then I just, as I would start with the secondary scholarship, right, Jane Ellen Harrison Arthur Cook you know, there are a whole bunch of other other scholars of the ancient world from the early 1900s and then more contemporarily, like Connolly is one of them. There's a whole bunch. I haven't looked at my list lately.

Yeah.

Carl Rennie. You know, all these, all these people in, in contemporary and more classical Greek studies. And, and then I would see these little shards, like there was this whole big series called Zeus by Arthur Cook. That was like a Bible to me. Then it would find things. And I would then look at the original sources. And there's this also this wonderful thing called theoi com, T H E O I dot com, and that would have the cataloging and the descriptions of all of the characters in the ancient sources with all of their original, you know, references to Pindar and you know, wherever it was, Plato and, and all of these sources, right? These original sources, Herodotus, Herodotus, Herodotus, So I was able to track very quickly, and because we're in the online world now, you can find things accessible pretty, pretty easily, the original source material. And then I did learn a little bit of Greek to be able to get through some of it, to be able to look at some terms and say, well, that's not exactly how it's translated, or it could be translated in another way. Just enough to be able to work with, with as much original material as I could, and I was just able to piece it all together from the women's hermeneutical perspective, if you want to use an academic term, meaning, you know, the looking for the hidden materials, what, what's been denigrated, dismissed, disappeared, and so forth from a feminine perspective.

Yeah. Wow. Yes. And I guess with my head's going many different places and you mentioned her in your book too. I'm pretty sure you mentioned the book Anna grandmother of Jesus.

Yes. Okay. So there's an example. of someone on the other end of the spectrum. Yes. A perfectly open oracle, right? A channeler who was bringing forth very amazing information. And then synchronistically after I finished my dissertation on divine birth and already had in mind all the material about mother Mary and what I was going to say about her. And I was already starting to teach about her and that material at the university level hadn't yet written the books though. I Was synchronistically led to Claire's books. I thought I was ordering another book, and I ended up ordering Anna, Grandmother of Jesus. And this came, and I poked into it, and I was like, oh my gosh, she is saying the same thing that I am. And she was, she was channeling it, or putting it together, kind of right around the same time that I was putting the material together as a scholar. And I ended up talking to Claire, and meeting with her, because we had so much in common. You know, simpatico. I mean, I was verifying what she was saying. She was verifying what I was saying. And then she was giving more information. And to this day. I haven't really fully read her books because I, I want to keep my own Oracle channel, sort of clear and not being influenced by her material, but I have highly high respect for her. And after she, you know, delivered those two babies to the world, she was like, well, I'm taking a backseat. I tried to arrange for her to teach with me or, or something like that. And she's like, I'm, I'm out of that loop now. So she, she delivered what, what she contracted for in this lifetime. And as of that moment, this moment, that's That's enough for her.

And I'll put a link to that book in the show notes too. I believe her last name is it heart song, Claire heart song. Yeah.

Yeah. And it's Anna grandmother of Jesus. And then Anna voice of the

Magdalene's.

So, so we're all related, you know, and she, she did give a very nice endorsement quote for the mystery tradition of miraculous conception, which came out in 2021, my previous book. So here we are.

And here we are. And so tell me, and maybe it seems obvious. I mean, if we know the story of Mary and Jesus, like why virgin birth was such a thing, but what, what, what was the point of it from your understanding?

Well, this is what the Greek tradition material research was so helpful for. It explained it. It was, I realized through going through all of these not just mythical stories, not just legendary stories, but some historical stories as well of women who had given birth divinely that the purpose was to bring forth a high holy being, an avatar, somebody above the normal vibration who could help humanity. That's what virgin birth was at its best. Of course, it became hijacked by negative influencers and forces. to co opt it to be used to bring in the patriarchal heroes you know, those who would decimate the matriarchy, those who would decimate the divine birth priestess hoods, and so forth. But originally it was to bring forth high queens and high kings who would then bless the land by bringing forth their children, And letting their DNA, you know, go into the tribe to, to raise the vibration of humanity. And also these high beings bring in abilities and knowledge that, that most people don't have ready access to. So then it was, it was perfectly understandable why Mother Mary would be involved in this, why her mother Anne would have given birth to her completely parthenogenetically, meaning in virgin fashion, no men involved. And who Jesus was who what he was all about and that he was part of a worldwide stream of people all over like on every continent who have done this work, you know, because I went deeply into into I think heartland is his name. Stories of virgin birth all around the world, including Native American traditions. Okay, the Haudenosaunee, the Chalagi, the Cherokee, or right, or the Iroquois, they have the same story in a way of a virgin, a virgin born peacemaker. Okay, so it's all over the place. And when you realize Mother Mary did not act alone in the best sense of the world, the whole thing becomes very interesting because then we, we wonder, well, what are women's capacities? And that is, that is a line I crossed as well when I became instructed in the Holy Womb Chakra system that the late Hindu Saint Sri Kaleshwar brought up and he said how these are some of the, these are some of the processes, mantras, and yantras that Mother Mary and Mary Magdalene used to do their work and, and bring forth divine children. So it's, the net continues to connect. And grow and, and the holy womb chakra teachings are teachings available to all people. So it's like, Oh my gosh, if mother Mary used these, you know, what benefit can they confer upon me? And I talk in the book, the secret life of mother Mary, what benefit they did confer upon me. And I've seen them conferring benefits and, and miracle experiences to other people as well. We are on a doorway to, you know, I mean, a pathway to open the door to the sacred womb again in ways that have not been opened for quite some time and that we deeply need on the planet right now.

Yes. And I, once again, I have like three kind of follow up threads, but I want to go back to a question, which is so when I think about the story the story that we've been given about the birth of Jesus and, and the, the Annunciation and the you know, the Immaculate Conception and how that's been interpreted in a way of like, Well, you know, I guess I'm just, I'm thinking of original sin and how, you know, like people being polluted by woman or whatever. But what, I guess what I'm, what I'm wondering about is what is it about the involvement of, or maybe even the lack of involvement of the masculine that takes this to a more, Sacred, holy place, like, I don't feel like in any of your writing you're implying that there's a pollution that's happening from the masculine necessarily, but like, what is it about the parthenogenesis that makes this different somehow?

Right. And I should mention that I've, I discovered several methods of what we would call divine conception. One method was virgin conception, parthenogenesis, the woman alone. Another one is the woman working with a disembodied person. Astral being a God, you know, so called another is a woman working with the God, but he's coming now through a male actor or King. That was ancient, ancient Egypt. And then another one was pure, like King, Queen coming together and sort of incorporating the high sacred feminine, the high sacred masculine in a tantric right. All of these done with specific rituals, intentions, processes, mantras. in order to bring forth a very high holy being. Now in terms of the parthenogenetic part of that, the virginal part, those women were high adepts who basically were able to develop inner androgyny, inner hermaphroditism. They're masculine and feminine became so strong that they were able to conceive. And that's what I talk about in in these two most recent books. So that is a process, a very deep yoga that one could undergo. But essentially, what I've what I've realized, even just this past year, teaching other material from the Gnostic sources is that we originally were hermaphrodites, humans, humans, humans, were hermaphrodites. Our original form was both male and female. And so when we were split, we were split by these same negative archonic forces that the holy family incarnated back into 2000 years ago and have done so in various forms and families to address, to help us get out of this. Okay. I mean, it boggles the mind what you start learning about. of our ancient human history, just in the Gnostic sources, let alone what a lot of channelers and whistleblowers and disclosers are doing. So this story becomes huge when you understand it. So the fact of virgins becoming sovereign, hermaphroditic, in and of themselves, able then to unite with the, the divine of, of all creation, you know, Mother Divine, And give birth was like a high quantum level technology that that really is a technology that comes from our starry ancestors. The Pleiades is very much involved in this. You know, that's that's a whole related story with Mother Mary and so forth, but also Greece. And so one of the reasons is, you know, the main reason is that the woman is becoming whole in of herself, in and of herself. She doesn't need a male partner. And therefore she doesn't have to worry about the level of vibration of that man. Any, any DNA that he lineages that he might be carrying in that could be good or could not be good. Any karma that he might be bringing into her vagina, right? Those are the virgins. That's the mother Mary. But on the other side is the tantric unification. All right. Mary Magdalene and Jesus as partners and, and conceiving that way in a very high level. And let me just say, this is not just for high holy people. The holy womb chakra teachings that Sri Kaleshwar brought forth that I was certified to teach in and do have a class in available for people. It brings in how to, how to conceive a divine child. By just an ordinary couple who is spiritually minded and wants to do a specific mantra while they are having sexual relations. And then once the child is conceived, because it's a clearing and cleansing mantra that draws in divine powers and a divine soul to the woman's womb. And then the woman after she's conceived becomes pregnant. She does another mantra as much as much as possible in order to keep her place, her womb, her palace clear and this child protected. And so there are numerous stories from, you know, Sri Kaleshwar's tradition of children born in this way that are a cut above because this is about conscious conception. So it's not just about these women who are impossibly high level avatars that will never reach that. It's about all of us meeting ourselves where we are and trying to raise ourself up through these various understandings and practices that are available today. And I talk a lot about that in the secret life of mother Mary book.

So fascinating. And you mentioned, you know, just these Holy womb chakra teachings. Well, and you know what, maybe let's back up and just speak a little bit about who Sri Kailashwar was because I wasn't familiar with him until I read about him in your book. And he's fairly recent, right? He passed in the last 10 years or so. Did he not?

Yeah. Yeah. He lived until he was 36 years old and he had his Maha Samadhi, as they call it, left the earth plane when he was 36 back in 2012. So do the math. He was born in whenever he was born. I don't know, the 70s or something like that. So he was a young man who came in to India and they still have an ashram to him in Penaconda where his Maha Samadhi is laid, you know, where his, his body is. And then there's another ashram in Laytonville, California, the American branch of it. He came in and largely. In India and then Europe, like Germany, especially, but then came to the US. He was teaching materials from the ancient palm leaf manuscripts that he had collected through all the it's like this Indiana Jones story of how he had received or received synchronistically collected all these manuscripts that had written on them, the methods, the mantras, the drawings, the yantras, right? For not only the Holy Womb teachings, but other teachings, like how to work with the five elements in order to gain mastery. And, and of the Siddic practice, the Siddhis, being able to work in miraculous ways and so forth. So there were many teachings that, that are codified and printed out or available in, in audio or video, not only by him, but also by then his students. Through the Divine Mother Center in Laytonville, California, and then through the shrikaleshwar. org, which publishes his books and probably has other manuscripts and monographs of teachings that he did and so forth. And then the Divine Mother Center, you know, has these classes that are available and then You know, I being certified, they let you, if you get certified, they let you teach the Holy One Chakra material. So this has been going through the world. There are still people who work through this lineage. It's, it originally goes back to the Sai, the Shirdi Sai Baba lineage. That was Sri Kaleshwar's teacher. So it goes back to India and, and there are people, you know, active. Right now, my friend Angela de la Agua is coming back from India, maybe tomorrow. Having brought a group to that ashram over there. So all of these things are very much connected. And this man made a splash, you know, a small splash that's having a big wave in this lifetime. And because now I've put a lot of that stuff in the secret life of Mother Mary, his material. In a very accessible, readable, condensed way that connects with Mother Mary and that connects with all of us, makes it accessible.

Yes. And I was so fascinated by his teachings and sharing that well, yeah, that Jesus ended up in India and Mary, Mary did as well. I was just like, Oh, it's all, it's also fascinating.

Yeah. Yeah. There are, there are numerous people who've said over the years, and there apparently is evidence. That Jesus was in India and some say after his resurrection that his Kaleshwar basically implies that Jesus resurrection, which happened by the way, through Mother Mary doing these yogic practices with his broken body resurrected him body and soul, and then zoop, he went off to India with Mary Magdalene. That's one timeline, and there's, there's evidence that Jesus was there, and whether it was again before or after the resurrection, that, that is a whole study that would be completely fascinating, but people at the Divine Mother Center might know about it, and so it, it, it turns things on its head for us. It opens new doors, new possibilities, it gets us out of the dogmatic storyline and picture the hijacking of these beings and their images that has kept us down for so long. That's my point in the Secret Life of Mother Mary is to uncloak her.

Yes.

Almost, I almost used the title, The Uncloaking of Mother Mary, right? But I decided to go with The Secret Life of Mother Mary because there was something a little more compelling about that. But I'm helping to uncloak her. And Sri Kaleshwar was helping to uncloak her and we're working in, you know, a chain link fashion together. There are other great teachers right now William Henry, he's really uncloaking the Marys. It's, it's astounding.

Amazing. I wonder if you could say a little bit more about the holy womb chakra, because this is different, right? Than the traditional chakras that we, we know you're not talking about the sacral chakra. You're talking about something different, correct? And I'd love to hear you just explain that a little bit more.

Yeah. So Shri Kaleshwar never really. said exactly where it's located in the body. But the implication was it's more like a kind of an overlay of the pelvic region for a woman. And there is an important point that's in the bodies of everyone. And this is the democratic nature of it. So that, you know, It opens up these practices and these powers to all people. It's called the Nada Bindu point. And it's an inch and a half or so below the navel, and it's a floating energetic point that's kind of like the entry point to the powers of the Holy Womb. So it's, it's, it's. In, in I think he says that Vishnu has it attached to his navel, but most other people have it sort of floating around. But it's, it's your inner portal to the holy womb of all creation, you know, mother divine through your lineage, through your mothers, mothers, mothers, mothers, mothers, right? And so that women have the actual structure of the womb, the physical womb, and men have the fragrance of the womb through the holy womb not a bindu point portal, and they can access the holy womb energy more strongly through the love of a woman, he says. You know, or the, the thinking on or connecting with your mother, right? So the holy womb chakra is another whole chakra, another whole pelvic chakra that really needs to be recognized and cultivated. First of all, purified. And then uplifted through all of these mantra recitations and things like that, because this will give you power. This will give you power for manifesting in the world. It gives you power for, you know, bringing in a higher consciousness child for doing healing for other people. There's, there's a whole series of things you can do to become a healer. in this tradition. And my teacher, Cindy Lindsay, is that type of healer and mentors others in that cultivation as well. And, you know, I talk about in the secret life of Mother Mary, some of the miracle ish things that happened for me.

I wanted to ask about this. Yes. With

my own use of the Holy Womb Chakra practices, the timing of the three months, the hundred and one days that I, when I started working with this, this process in earnest, it's 101 day practice with, with your doing your mantras, a certain number of mantras, a certain number of times a day, 108 times. And the timing was that well, I'll leave it to readers, but I had a health. reversal in a positive direction. I manifested something very major in my life and something I didn't write about because the book was already going to press by that time. But I believe that all of this, you know, helped me manifest a partner, which had been years of like, You know, Ajita essentially and so, you know, and I've, I've seen other things happen in other people's lives and clients that I've worked with. I mean, things that start going on once they do or complete the mantras or right away, you know, so it's there are felt effects in the three dimensional world in short by doing these kinds of things. that Sri Kaleshwar has brought onto the planet and that he says Mother Mary did, Mary Magdalene did, Jesus did, and that they actually contributed to palm leaf manuscripts. They wrote things down, you know, I mean that would be a whole exploration, right? I mean, in another lifetime, but you know, you could go to people in the Divine Mother Center in Laytonville Monica of Peniconda there, and Nityananda. They are closely associated with all this material. They may have done some of this research, you know, so.

Fascinating. So I've got a question for you that I think I'm just curious about what has it been like for you to be holding what I think, well, we start to manifest the people around us who are like ready for this, right? Like they show up in our world and like, you know, but, but there's still that reality, right? Of you are researching something that feels very non traditionally academic to me. You know what I mean? Like, and I'm wondering like sort of that holding those energies because what you're talking about is. It's, it's It's numinous and it's esoteric and it is, and yet you are also approaching it from this academic kind of place. And I think of academia as being solidly sort of patriarchal in organization, right? It was not created with women the participation of women. So I'm just curious, like what that's, what has that been like for you?

Well, I had to keep accessing academia from the outer, more and more outer rungs until I wasn't there anymore. And I created my own academia. I created it. Seven Sisters Mystery School. I stepped out of trying to teach at university level, which I had done, trying to get a job at university level, which just wasn't happening. And I just, you know, I, I met a coach. She helped me weave everything together. I started my own school and I was able to fully then do my research on my own terms. Luckily, for my dissertation at CIIS, I had Jorge Ferrer, who was my dissertation chair. I had Lucia Chiavola Birnbaum, I think was on my dissertation committee, and the late Lucia. And then Marvin Meyer was my outside reader, who was very well known in magical traditions of, you know, ancient Greece and Egypt and so forth. And when I asked him one time, I was like, why, why did you agree to be on my dissertation committee as the outside reader? He's like, I don't know. And he has crossed on too now, but he just, I think he just saw something in me and what I was doing, saw that the research was good and sound. And and wanted to help me so he anchored it as that validation from the classical Greek world in academia. Thank goddess. You know that I just had and I was just very careful about who I had on this committee because I had could have done other people. And I was like, Oh, my God, that would be I received a medicine ceremony. Do not have that guy. He will take you down and he will not have any problem doing it. So that was like, Okay, I'm not going to be with him. And so, you know, I was able to get it together enough to get the PhD letters and a very, very solid dissertation that I'm super proud of that went into books that Paul Grave Macmillan was the publisher, now Springer Nature that took it on, you know, and then as I was Accessible, you know, because my aunt would say, why don't you write an, you know, a book that everyone can read? And that was the mystery tradition of miraculous conception. It's taking unbelievable esoteric material and just making it readable. Like, I was so happy when people have been able to have been saying to me, Oh, these two books. Oh, my God. I read it in two days. You know, I'm like, wow. I mean, that is deep material, but there it's going down with a spoonful of honey, right? Totally. That was my, that was my goal. That was my aim. It has to be, it has to be accessible. Same with the secret life of mother Mary, which is why I really brought my personal story into this and really came out more as with my Oracle side. Right. None of the other books really talk so much about my Oracle side, certainly not the two very academic books. So I've just been working my own way, doing it my way. And I know what solid scholarship is. I know where it gets constipated and I don't want to deal with that. And I know where it's grounded and I know how you can weave in the more intuitional part of it and the personal and that's what I'm doing. And I, and I can tell you Liz you know, lately in some of these interviews, I am astounded at the level of the conversation that I'm having with people because I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm just an open channel right now. I mean, I, this was happening at the previous cycle of interviews for the Mystery Tradition of Miraculous Conception, but I just got the message over these last two weeks since the book has come out that I'm moving up to a whole new level with this material. That all of the agony I've gone through personally, the personal stuff I've had to heal is starting to come to fruition so that I can hold this stuff at a, at a, a deeper level and talk about it from there. And that's the magic and mystery of what seems to be happening with this new book. I literally. I have had one interviewer say to me, I have slept with this under my pillow because I feel like there's transmissions coming. I had another friend, friend who said she had a hysterectomy. She was having pelvic problems. Unbelievably, one night she woke up, she was so upset. She just got in my book and she just had the intuition because she's kind of a medical ish to intuitional person to put the book on her wound. And I just am like, Oh my gosh, you know, what is happening here? Like, it just feels like doors are opening. So it's, there's the content of the book. And then there's the meta of what's going on around the book that is so amazing. And I just had a client today who just told me about a dream she had, where she had been given a message about the importance of this book. And I'm like, Oh my gosh,

amazing.

Right. And, and I'm like, Okay. You know, cause I'm, I'm coming from this. You know, more like it's from the academic e moving into this whole thing, but I'm just feeling like a lot of doors are suddenly starting to open for people around this material and it's, it's taking my breath away a bit.

Yeah, it's like, I mean, what came up for me as you were saying that is even thinking about how. You are perhaps not as a, like as a physical child, like a human child, but you are playing this role that you're talking about in like birthing this material, which has, has a purpose and a ripple and all of that so much larger than you, it's really powerful.

You know, because I didn't have children in this life. I never became pregnant and I just didn't feel that was my path.

Yeah.

And. I just had a passion. I call it a transmission. Just yesterday in Kakao ceremony, I'm like, Oh, that's so cool. Thank you. Transmission. Transmission. I've had what I'm delivering is a transmission. And so that that's my baby, you know, these are, these are my babies. And yeah, so it's pretty astounding. Yeah,

well, and I know we're almost out of time, but I wanted to ask you, cause I feel like you're kind of alluding to this and let's just give this a little bit more space and tap into that oracular part of you too, which is what's your sense of why now? Right. There's always a time in which we're ready for information and we seem to be ready for this. Why now?

Yeah. Cosmic global timing. I think we've all seen a lot of us who've been around for a few decades have seen the Mary Magdalene movement.

Yes.

That started 40 years ago with various things that started coming out and then it's like a tidal wave now. People can't get enough Mary Magdalene, right?

Yes.

But mother Mary has taken really 40 years. To start being unveiled and unclothed like that, even though there have been some wonderful scholars like Allie Catouse, who along the way you know, and Charlene Spretnak and so forth, who've been looking at Mother Mary from different perspectives. But again, those books have been largely sequestered in academia. And so I'm, I've been teasing these threads. And, and bringing it into accessibility, combining it, you know, with all of these other aspects. And I think that it's, when I listen to other oracles and my own inner oracle, there's something momentous about this time on earth. You know, Barbara Marciniak, who, who is a Pleiadian channeler, used to call like this 25 year window from, I forget which it was, but it was like kind of like right around now as the nanosecond, but that it's an important point, a pivot point in like the destiny of our universe because we're all holographically connected. It's spooky action at a distance. It's, it's you know, the holographic connection, the nested realities. So, and we're not alone on planet Earth. There are interdimensional beings of every stripe and color and they've been working with us. They've been working against us. We are part that, you know, we're even understanding our DNA. Oh my gosh, we're not even what is a human, you know, where am I from? I'm from the stars. Okay. We're connecting with our star lineages. Our star understandings. The, the calcification is coming off our third eyes after a long descent down in the Kali Yuga. We're starting to reawaken and people are remembering. They're remembering who we are, who we were, where we're going, what we need to do, and Mother Mary and the, the Mary's. And the Sophia Christos mission as I call it is a big part of this that has been around for quite some time in various forms and guises the most recent one of 2000 years ago, but they're still active on the on the inner planes. And, and so they're here for us. They're here for us as personal healers. They're here for us as spiritual mentors, activators, awakeners, empowerers. This is what mother Mary did in her life. And that's what I talk about in quite a bit of detail in the secret life of mother Mary, about how she was a mentor for all of those early apostles and especially the women and how this continues today. She was a mentor to mother Mary Magdalene, all these hidden things, you know, so. Like, just even hearing these concepts, like, oh my God, Mother Mary was the mother in law of Mary Magdalene. Boop! You know, your mind starts going, what? You have an awakening just with these concepts, let alone the details, let alone then how you access these beings to find your own inner Mary, to find your own inner Magdalene, to find your own inner Jesus. That's what they're doing. They're holding up the mirror. They're like, we are you? You know, this is the latest channeling I've received. We are you, we are simply here to show you this is you and how to access it.

Yeah, absolutely. I'm wanting to, this is a, for, well, listeners won't be able to see it, but I'm, I'm going I wear Mary. She is she's, yeah, she's always with me. And it's interesting because I have a little eight pointed star for the goddess Inanna that I wear as well. And I recently just put them on the same chain because I think they belong together. There's there's that aspect of Mary to the, to me is holding Just something so much larger for me, she's, she's, I've always known her to be so much bigger than what the Christian church was telling me that she was.

Right. She's the eighth Pleiades sister. She's the eighth star. And okay, that's what I channeled recently. That was like, holy crap. You know, as I've started to become aware of the seven sisters of the Pleiades as the seven virgin star seed mothers of the world.

Yes,

and Mary, William Henry has really helped me to connect how Mother Mary is part of that whole stream and then I received. Yes, Mother Mary is the eighth. Pleiades, the eighth Pleiadian, she brought forth, you know, the Jesus Christ avatar. They brought forth these other beings onto the planet and seeding humanity with their higher vibrational DNA, right? So these are deep stories that are only now we're at a critical mass of being able to even understand them, comprehend them and go forward with them where 10, 20 years ago, It would have been too much, but people are ready. Now our consciousness is opening many, many more people on the planet are suddenly having these conscious awakenings. And that's why the now.

Yeah. Amazing. I feel like our time has flown by Marguerite. I want to hold up your book again. For those of who are actually watching the secret life of mother Mary, divine feminine power for personal healing and planetary awakening. Go read this book, y'all. It's amazing. And now I want to read all your books, even the academic ones. I love getting down into the academia. So so exciting. Tell us. Where people can find more information. And I know you've got some things coming up.

Yes. So obviously the easiest thing is to go to seven sisters, mystery school. com. The seven is written out S E V E N sisters, plural. And all the information will be right there, but just to. You know, and you can be kept abreast. You can get on our email list. I send out a sacred Sunday e news with all sorts of information and the latest of what we're doing. But as of this recording I believe this will come out in time just prior to a free masterclass that I'm doing, which is called what is a Mary priestess? What is a Magdalene priestess? And is this a path for you? So it's going to be 45 minutes on August 6th. You can sign up at seven sisters mystery school dot com or I think you might provide a link at the show notes and anchor link and that is kind of a little introduction to the Mary and Magdalene priestess training that I'm doing that starts September 10th and runs six months where you're going to have really a lived embodied experience of of all sorts of initiations that are tied to what I'm writing to and writing about in the book. And then new Oracle material that I'm going to be bringing forth. I mean, we could have a whole conversation on this, but there will be explanation of this in that free masterclass so that you know what it is. The, the registration continues through August 28th. You must register by August 28th to be part of that training and it's going to be very exciting and very manageable. It's not like huge, humongous amounts of homework or it's going to stress you out, right? It's just going to be a fascinating experience into, into a temple that That we're just kind of co creating together and that that draws in the powers of the Mary's into our own lives.

Love it. And it sounds amazing.

Thank you.

Yes, and I'll make sure this is all in the show notes. And Marguerite, thank you so much for your time. This was amazing. So it's an honor to know you and I so love your work in the world.

Thank you so much, Liz. I really appreciate that. And thank you for having me and, and allowing people to find out about this and also for the amazing work that you're doing through these conversations, bringing them to the public.

Yeah. Oh, it's such a joy. Such a joy. Isn't it fun to do work? I put in air quotes that just like food for soul, right? It's the best.

Of course. Yeah.

Yes. And thanks to all of you for listening as always. I'm so grateful for you for tuning in and, and being interested in these conversations and sharing back with me how they're changing you. I love hearing that too. So yeah, if you like the show, you can subscribe, you can tell your friends about it. There's a third one that I usually say, you can give it a favorable review. Yeah. You can do all those things and until then take very, very good care of yourselves and I will be with you again soon.

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