Welcome to the Construction Disruption Podcast, where we

uncover the future of design, building, and remodeling.

I'm Ryan Bell of Isaiah Industries, manufacturer

of specialty metal roofing and other building materials.

And today my co host is Todd Miller.

Todd, how are you doing?

I am doing really well and I'm excited about our guest today and

our show today and see what we can learn.

You know, that's what I always love about these is I always learn something.

So it's good stuff.

I am excited too.

This is a technology focused episode.

Um, today our guest is Tony Nicolaidis, the chief commercial officer of origin

AI, a company that invented wifi sensing technology and is revolutionizing smart

homes, healthcare, and home security.

Wifi sensing will allow for non invasive and highly accurate monitoring

through the utilization of current IOT devices around your home or office.

By monitoring occupancy in real time, Origin AI's solutions enable

security intrusion detection, HVAC control, and patient monitoring.

Soon, Origin AI's Wi Fi monitoring system will be a staple in

all modern construction.

Tony, it's great to have you on the show today, and thank you for joining us.

Ryan and Todd, thank you for having me.

And it's a pleasure to be here.

Well, to get us started.

Um, can you explain a little bit about kind of what wifi sensing

technology is and how it works?

Yeah, that, uh, that definition you just gave, that

was, uh, that was, that was pretty good, very complex, but let's make it

ephemeral and let's get right to the point of, of, of the easy explanation.

Wifi is ubiquitous.

In our lives, in our home, in our businesses, um, and what, what happens

is our bodies walk through Wi Fi.

We disrupt.

The wifi waves, uh, actions that we do that are macro actions, macro doing

jumping jacks, all the way to laying down and breathing, we disrupt those

wifi waves and what origin, the origin AI technology does is it quantifies

and contextualizes that disruption.

So we know what type of disruption, uh, it is that has occurred to the wifi signal.

And then we can give that back and whatever use case we're talking about.

So basically disrupting wifi waves.

And contextualizing and understanding that

so if i'm if i'm eating a corn dog as an example

would that disrupt the wi fi

Yeah, if you're eating a corn dog and the corn dog's very good.

So it's going to be an ephemeral meal.

It's going to go fast Uh your your your fingers are moving your hands

are moving everything like that We're going to know that you are moving.

We're going to know that you're in that spot.

Cool.

I was going to say, so, so I can tell my kids when they're complaining

about the wifi not working, that it's because they're moving.

Uh, you know, it's funny you ask.

Uh, no, because we suck up no bandwidths.

I, and we'll talk about that.

I think today throughout the.

The, the, uh, the discussion, but we will not, uh, we've been

thoroughly tested in not doing that.

Okay.

Interesting.

Um, so what, what was it exactly that inspired the development of

this wifi sensing technology and how is it, uh, different maybe from

other wifi monitoring solutions?

So Dr.

Ray Liu, who was a university of Maryland digital signal processing Uh,

professor, uh, also the IEEE president in the, in the world, in the global

world of digital signal processing, Dr.

Ray Liu's name is known globally.

Um, he was doing some work for the government through DARPA back in

2011, 2010 on how to get signals and, and more knowledge of what's going

on in various places in a submarine.

And he stumbled across wifi sensing and he kind of put it together,

invented it, it patented it, uh, and in the end left university of Maryland

and knew that wifi sensing was going to have massive potential in our

everyday life and changing millions of millions of lives for the better.

And he started origin, uh, in, uh, 2011, 12.

Uh, and, um, that's how the technology came about.

Dr.

Ray Liu is still chairman of our board.

He's still our chief technology officer, very involved, very

involved in the day to day business.

So that's where we came from.

Now, uh, he let the technology bake.

Until 2019, so about seven years, seven, eight years to thoroughly understand

it, hired all the, uh, engineering, uh, staff that needed to be hired to

really develop it and shore it up, make sure the science was sound, uh,

file for the IP, all that good stuff.

And then you started bringing a few of us in to start commercializing

the technology and that's where Spencer made our CEO came in.

Uh, that's where I came in.

So the technology was really being developed over, let's call it a seven year

period until we started commercializing.

Now, how is it different?

Um, certainly when you compare it to other kinds of cousin technologies,

like radar, uh, radar technology has been around a long time.

A lot of great companies like Vyar out there that do do radar.

Uh, radar is very, very accurate and can sense a person or people, but radar

is expensive and radar has a lot of hardware you have to set up throughout

a location to get a full picture.

Okay, of what's going on contextually in that environment, whereas with Wi Fi, all

you need is a Wi Fi signals, connected devices, and we'll know what's going on

in that contextualize that environment in a much, much, much lighter way.

Way than radar gives you an example of a, of a, of a

comparison to another technology.

I, I'm not quite sure to be honest that I under really understood what

it was until you explained it like that.

Um, can you give us some examples of maybe some real world examples

of how this is being used and smart homes throughout healthcare?

Absolutely.

So we've launched.

With Verizon, um, in Northeast here, Verizon, Fios.

You know your, I ha I live in Baltimore, Maryland.

Here I've got a Fios router.

That's how I get my wifi to my home.

Uh, Verizon has a service called Home Aware, and, uh, and home awareness.

Basically, uh, you can, we have our firmware, our technology sitting on

the router right on in the router.

Okay?

So when somebody signs up for home awareness, um, you, that

the router wakes up and starts pinging all the connected devices to your house.

Now in the U S there's an average of 17 connected devices.

What's a connected device.

Anything on your wifi from I'm, I'm staring right here at a Sono speaker.

Um, a printer, uh, Alexa, Google home, your TV, any kitchen

appliances, a PlayStation on and on.

We have connected devices throughout the home and it pings all those

stationary devices and from that router, Ryan and Todd to each of those

connected devices, you have this.

elliptical kind of zone that is connected.

And when somebody enters that zone, right, we know they're there.

We know there's verified human presence in that zone.

So, uh, that is how they, uh, Verizon is selling home awareness.

And basically, uh, they're starting out with who's, you know, basically

understanding Not who identified who, but are there not a lot of people, nobody in

your home or many people in your home?

Um, you know, depending on how many zones are being disrupted all at once.

So imagine this blue orb, it'll get big, big, big when there's a lot

of people in it, small or nothing when there's, when there's nothing.

That is how Verizon, It's doing it right.

And they have a whole product road to use that technology.

Um, and then from there, we have other, um, customers right now.

You may have not heard of a company called very short.

Very

sure is the largest security company in Europe.

Number two to ADT globally, very big company.

We are launching with Verisure in Europe right now.

Uh, and literally in the process of launching, uh, where they have

their normal security system.

Uh, and what happens is they're going to have, let's say a camera

or a motion, motion sensors tripped.

Um, as soon as that happens, we wake up, ping all the connected devices and see

if there's verified human presence in the house to avoid the biggest problem in the

security industry, which is false alarms.

Right?

So those are two examples in the ISP space, in the security space, where

occupancy and verified human presence is being used to make systems much,

much better than they are today.

Is there a visual representation of what

is present in the space?

Or is it more just like a notification, like a, like an alert type thing?

Depends with Verizon.

There is a visualization of this blue orb.

If you go to your Verizon app and you go to home awareness, uh, you'll see a

blue or big or small or nothing at all.

If there's depending on what's going on in your house, uh, in the

security use case, it's all about, you know, it's all about notification.

Hey.

Your motion sensor on the door tripped.

Oh, by the way, we have that piece of data.

And now we know that there's human presence in your house.

Right.

Cause so wifi sensing will, will reconfirm the door sensor tripped and now there's

somebody in the house before all you knew was the door sensor tripped.

You're going to get a call from them saying, what do you want us to do?

I don't know.

I'm not home.

I don't know what's going on.

You don't know if it's a real alarm or not.

Now we'll know if there's somebody in the house and that's a, an alert based.

kind of system.

So it depends on the use case, Ryan.

Oh, I was wondering how, I think I can imagine, but how

is this being used in healthcare then and patient monitoring?

So in Todd, so in healthcare, what we're doing is we

have various use cases in healthcare.

Let's just start with Alzheimer's.

And occupancy is the person there or not.

Um, I have many friends, uh, unfortunately that are caring for aging parents that

now have Alzheimer's and dementia, and they've got all of these cameras and all

this crazy stuff all over the place and cameras have a very limited field of view.

Um, and they're always looking to see if their parents are home.

We will be able to know.

Does a person is supposed to be home or they're not right?

That's one use case.

Uh, the other use cases, um, their tendencies around

the house trends over time.

They're spending a lot more time in bed this month than they were last

month, or they're spending a lot more time in the bathroom this month.

Then last time, the last month, these are all, this is all data that doesn't exist

today because in the health industry, all you have are, are purrs or, um, you know,

rechargeable kind of wearables that, you know, many, many, uh, uh, uh, elderly,

uh, people don't charge and don't wear.

Now you don't need any of that.

All you need is a wifi signal and we can kind of do trends around the house.

And then the holy grail of it all.

is fall detection.

If somebody has fallen and they're still down there and what to do.

So that's a very complex use case.

Um, and it's one that we are most definitely, we can demo it, but as you

try to scale, uh, fall detection, there's a lot more hardware and things that need

to happen that we're working through.

So those are kind of some simple use cases for, for what we call

health tech that can be used.

So for my aging mother, I'd actually have to convince her

she needs internet in her house first, but I like the idea of this.

It makes a lot of sense.

Yeah.

All you need is wifi and we're there.

So how does it, uh, is there like an initial setup process

or something where it maps walls and like, uh, if there's a concrete wall

or column or something, like, does it take like a, a print of that to know

the, this location, the space it's in?

Uh, our engines.

Come out so far already taught.

There's no learning needs to happen with the engines, right?

So when you say the occupancy engine, as long as there's wifi, we're going

to detect verified human presence in terms of coverage, which is

really what you're talking about.

Yeah.

Ryan.

Uh, we also have visualizations where you can walk around, call a tribe before you

buy, and you can walk around your house and you can see this graph going crazy

as you're walking around and you can get to spots where it's whoop, it's dead.

And you can say, okay, in this spot, either I'm going to need an Alexa.

Or an extender from Verizon or whatever, either a connected or a

connected light bulb, uh, whatever.

And now all of a sudden that spot will be live.

So that's all you really need to do.

Nothing else to teach it.

But what we find here, Ryan, in the U S is it's a bigger problem in Europe.

Concrete, steel, the constructionism in the U S primarily were drywall and wood.

So wifi permeates everywhere.

We don't tend to have that problem as much in the U S

are you able to extend it outside your home?

You can, if you have connected devices outside of your home,

you have to be very careful though.

Um, if you have connected devices out there, you don't

want to have false positives.

You know what I mean?

Sure.

Yeah.

Um, so you want to tend to keep it inside the home.

We suggest you have it inside.

That makes sense.

I can't tell you how many alerts I get at night for the cat on

my porch from our, our level.

Exactly.

And that's the other thing with us.

We have human versus non human, uh, notification.

Okay.

Pets are a massive false alarm issue in security.

Sure.

And so we, we are able to distinguish human versus a big bucket called

non human, which could be pets.

Rumba vacs in Europe are very popular, oscillating fans, moving curtains in

the With the air conditioning, that all that stuff will set off alarms.

We can do human versus non human.

Very cool.

Um, so origin AI, uh, aims to be a staple in modern construction.

How do you foresee the integration of this wifi sensing technology

and future building designs?

That is an excellent question.

And one we feel is an absolute vector for us as we move along in the

future, because it's a little more of a slow burn for new construction.

Imagine if we work with the builders and we say, whether it's a home builder or,

or a commercial building, and we say, you know what, we're going to automatically

put these sensors in the walls.

We'll have, uh, uh, wifi, um, uh, sensors in the wall and, and, and connect the

sensors in the walls already designed in the building that you no longer have to

put anything else around the building.

You can, if you want to increase coverage, if you want, but if you

design it into, uh, as a building and the home is being built.

You are ready to go.

All you need to do is turn it on.

Right.

So that's for new construction.

So we need to partner with builders, which we're doing, but it's a little bit more

of a slow burn, um, with construction that already exists, especially in the

commercial space, guys, where we're really focusing on energy efficiency.

And turning thermostats off, air conditioning, heating.

We have smart plugs.

You can, you can, we can give you that.

You can plug in each smart plug.

We'll do 500 to 750 square feet, plug them in.

They're out of the way.

You don't see them and they will be your wifi sensing network.

They will connect to all the connected devices and they will be able to do a

bill and they will be able to manage a building that is already built.

So we have ways to do it with.

Already built buildings or working with builders in the future.

That's a very passionate topic for us.

Me and Spencer made, uh, or Spencer made and I spent 30 years of Stanley

Black and Decker in the DeWalt business.

So that's where we both came from.

That's where we know each other.

So our, as kids, we were on job sites every day.

So we have a passion for builders.

So.

Most definitely an area we want to, we want to move on in the future.

So there's a, there's a huge push for, you know, privacy and, and data.

Is there anything that you all are keeping in mind or any hurdles you've

had to overcome, you know, with people that are worried about their

privacy and data being respected?

Tell you what, and that is not an ephemeral question

because that question comes up so often.

Um, it's ephemerally long.

So, um, you know, I think I'm going to give it to you with two customers,

Verizon, which we've already launched and Deutsche Telekom in Europe,

which we're going to be launching here at the end of this year.

Uh, both with similar use cases are both ISPs.

Um, we were thoroughly tested by both of them and by thoroughly, I mean, almost

years of testing to make sure that we did not eat up the bandwidth of their signal.

Which I talked about earlier.

And so that led us to a place where all our computation, all of our, uh,

activity in terms of, uh, running our algorithms run completely 100 percent

on the edge, nothing in the cloud, because in the end that you got to take

data back and forth out of the cloud is when you really soak up bandwidth.

So we're a hundred percent on the edge, completely private

does not soak up any bandwidth.

And we're also, now we can do, um.

Over the air updates and that kind of stuff, uh, quickly.

So that is how we protect private data privacy and, uh, make sure that our

topology is, is, uh, is hack proof.

When my modem goes out or my internet goes out, I should say, but my

modem is still on, does this require the internet to be active and on to work,

or there's still a wifi signal being sent from my, my modem, correct, even

though the internet from the ISP is down.

Does that make sense?

I

mean, if your wifi is on in the house, no matter

what's going on connection back to your ISP, it's going to work.

Right.

And then we're looking at other scenarios, especially in the, it's important

in the security vertical about what happens if I don't have wifi and there's

cellular options and other things, but like our partners, like VeriShore,

I don't know if you know, alarm.

com here in the U S we're literally launching alarm.

com and VeriShore on either side of the pond at the same time,

which is a, a massive, uh, Uh, undergoing or, or, or, uh, uh,

achievement on our, for our company.

Um, they have cellular backup and they kind of take care of that.

So if your wifi goes down completely.

You still got self connection.

So are there any particular challenges you've you've faced

and bringing this to the market?

Any, any huge hurdles that you've had to overcome?

Yeah.

You know, look, uh, we've had some very large customers that

have done significant testing.

Uh, significant testing means that it takes time to get the market and, you

know, we're not a big company, so time to revenue for us in the past, uh,

was a challenge, but as we're getting scale now, that's less of an issue.

Um, You know, so making sure we work because we're B2B, so that Verizon

or that Verisure or that alarm.

com or that Deutsche Telekom or T Mobile, all these companies, basically we're

really depending on them to get to market.

So that's the biggest challenge is working with them, uh, working with

all their people, their marketing folks, their engineer, their

engineering team and our engineering team to get our product embedded on

a, on a router is not an easy task.

So that's really the biggest challenge is execution and getting them going

and getting time to value for revenue.

And once we're there, which we are now, and we're scaling, um, you know,

it's a little sweeter, so to speak.

With all the advancements in AI lately, um, anything kind of

going on in your neck of the woods and is that having an effect on anything,

or is that giving you some other ideas on how to connect with AI or use AI?

Better believe it, especially ideas in the future.

Like I said, are.

Engines.

When I say an engine right now, what I mean by that is macro motion is an engine.

So it's an engine we have trained to, to look for gross motion, jumping jacks,

running, walking, micro motion, just breathing, laying there is an engine.

Fall detection is an engine.

Uh, we train our engines.

So they come out already trained.

You don't have to train them overall, but as we're moving into the future,

all that data that comes in from a house that has, uh, home awareness.

Or, or, or has origin in there, uh, we will be able to take that data and

do a lot of AI with it, uh, and be able to have even more, uh, context

and even more future opportunity to help the people in the home or the

people in the building over time.

Um, so there is no doubt.

AI is going to, it is.

Cause it plays a big part as we train our engines now, right.

And it's going to be in the future.

And just look out for us as you, you hear, um, news flashes and see us in the news.

You're going to hear more and more of what we're doing in AI.

It's very exciting.

What's, uh, what does the scalability look like with this beyond,

um, Health, health care and security that we've kind of talked about already

is other, other sectors out there that you have plans to scale into, or maybe

right for this sort of technology.

Yeah,

you know, there's one interesting one.

I don't know if you guys know what the hot laws act is.

Have you guys heard of that?

No.

Uh, I'm sorry.

The hot car law, hot cars law.

Forgive me.

Okay.

And NPAC in Europe.

Basically, it's there are laws that are being passed during the pro they're

already passed during the process of being passed, um, to have car set up.

Um, so that if, if an, if a, a, a, a, a baby or a child is left strapped into

the car and it's hot, there's an, uh, some kind of notification that goes

off, um, these things happen tragically.

And, uh, right now there's laws being, uh, passed about that.

So all of the automakers, uh, are looking for ways to be able to tell if there is.

a baby in a car.

Ironically enough, the first country that's going to really implement

it, it's already said so, is China, uh, in all of their cars.

So if you're shipping into China by 2026, you're going to need a solution.

So we're working with, um, the automakers and other partners, uh, and what we

call CPD, child protection detection.

Um, and, um, to, to do that.

So that's another area that, because cars are going to have wifi now, right?

It's another area where we're going to, we're looking to see

how we can make an impact there.

Very neat.

That's, that's really cool.

Um, not something I have ever thought about before, but very cool.

So what, uh, any advice you would give to a young aspiring entrepreneur

that's kind of looking to get into this wifi tech industry?

So wifi is all around us everywhere.

Yeah.

Right soon, Elon Musk is going to put it out on the streets where you're

not going to need Verizon anymore.

It's just going to come beaming down from the satellites.

Uh, and so, you know, you're going to get into a, uh, a technology that

is very mature, uh, if you're going to use wifi, find a very, if you want

to build a business of wifi, find something unique, you can do with it.

Because a lot of people are already doing as much as they can with it.

Um, so find a unique way to use it.

Uh, and, um, what, how do you leverage wifi six, wifi seven, and all the

advancements in wifi, we got two and a half gig, five gig, six gig is coming.

All these bands are opening up, find and solve a problem, right?

Don't be a technology looking for a solution.

Be a solution to a problem.

Uh, and then, um, just hunker down and, uh, and, uh, it ain't going to be easy.

Just persevere, keep your head down and keep working and you'll get there.

Concrete advice.

Thank you.

Well, thanks so much, Tony.

This has been great.

Um, and we're thankful for the time we've had with you today and everything

you've shared with us and our listeners.

Um, we're close to wrapping up what we call the business end of things.

Is there anything that we haven't covered today that you'd like

to share with our audience?

No, once again, I appreciate the time.

It was ephemeral and I wish we could have had more time together.

But thanks guys.

Great.

Well, before we close out, there's something we like to do at the end here.

It's called rapid fire where we give you 7 questions and your only commitment

is to give us a quick response.

Uh, to each question, some of them are a little silly.

Some are maybe serious.

Are you up for the challenge?

Let's go.

I'm there.

Let's go.

Uh, Todd and I will take turns asking questions.

You want to lead us off, Todd?

Absolutely.

So Tony, would you rather fight a swarm of angry bees with a giant fly swatter?

Or have to herd, uh, stampeding cats armed with laser pointers,

or would you rather fight those stampeding cats with laser pointers?

Fight the stampeding cats with laser pointers.

I hate bees.

Yeah, I think I'd be right there with you.

That's a pretty easy one.

Me too.

You need them

in the environment,

but I don't want swarms.

Probably the likelihood of either one is slim, but.

Question number two.

If you were a cat, Could replace all the grass in the world with something else.

What would it be and why?

Wow.

All the grass in the world, what would it be?

And why mattresses make it nice and soft.

You can go out there and take a nap.

I like that.

I was thinking it might be something that wifi would detect.

I don't know.

Go

out there, walk out to your front yard,

lay down and go take a nap.

Like it.

Okay, question number three, uh, what's one book or movie that has profoundly

impacted your perspective on life

and why the road less traveled personally?

Uh, cause life is hard and, um, you just gotta be ready for it.

And you gotta, you gotta, you gotta, uh, you gotta, you gotta be focused

and, and work hard, uh, professionally crossing the chasm by Gregory Moore.

I don't think I've come across that.

You're in a

startup.

Read that book and read it twice

to look that up crossing the chasm.

Good deal.

Question number four, what motivates you to keep pushing forward?

Even when faced with obstacles or setbacks,

the startup life is not for everyone.

Uh, I'll tell you that right now, getting a business off the ground, you know, and

having that big milestone of becoming a small business and crossing that revenue

mark is not for the faint of heart.

You have to have very clear belief and passion in what you're doing

and have the end game in mind.

We feel strongly and we live and breathe that Wi Fi sensing, um,

will change millions of lives.

In a positive way all over the world and you have to believe that and we believe

it every day and that keeps us going Through all the even though you get

down into them the value or the muck.

You just gotta keep pushing through

good stuff Good stuff Okay, next question If you had to pick one

celebrity to be your personal assistant for a week Who would you choose and

what task would you ask them to do?

I would choose.

Um You I would choose Elon Musk.

There you go.

Check that.

Check that.

Check that.

I would choose Jeff Bezos.

Okay.

And I'd have him come in and, uh, you know, we beat up our

go to market, uh, go to market motion and go to market strategy a lot.

We feel very good about it as a scaling, but I'd want him

to beat it up even further.

Like, how do you scale even more?

I say, Jeff, sit down and tell us.

That's a great answer.

Very good answer.

Absolutely, man.

You're good at this.

Let's go.

We have two left.

Uh, would you rather have to sing everything you say or communicate only

through interpretive dance for a week?

Well, I'm a musician, so I play guitars.

I've been in bands all my life.

So I'm going to sing interpretive dance.

Interpretive dance would be challenging.

Yeah.

I'd rather sing it.

Doesn't mean you have to sing it.

I'm saying.

Okay, the last question, have you recently

purchased a product or service that was a real game changer for you?

Sort of a, you know, where have you been all my life moment?

I would have to say it's not recently, but, um, good notes

and being able to take notes on my iPad.

That's not, that's not a new thing, but I was always a paper guy.

And I'd say in the last few years, I've completely made the transition.

So now I don't have gobs and gobs of paper everywhere.

I got my iPad and everything is in there.

Everything, every meeting I've been in, all the notes, this, that,

and, uh, I would say that made me significantly more efficient in terms

of just tracking what's going on.

Not a new thing, but it definitely helped me here in the last few years.

Yeah,

absolutely.

That's good.

That's, that's something I'm trying.

To get better at you.

Like I love I use the good notes app or yeah.

Yeah.

I think it's good notes.

And I love, I love it when I'm watching something or, or taking notes on

something and I can save screenshots, but I always forget to go back to it.

Yeah, I don't know why.

Screenshots.

I can bring in thoughts from somewhere on the side and I can still write with it.

Um, I think that makes things so efficient.

Uh, and man, we were plugging the hell out of good notes,

but you know, it is what it is.

It's a good app.

It is.

Well, Tony, uh, thank you again for your time today.

This has been a lot of fun for anyone that wants to get in touch with you.

What's the best way for them to do that?

Uh, originwirelessai.

com just visit our website.

Uh, and I'm a Tony dot Nicolaidis at origin, wireless, AI.

com.

Reach out to me anytime.

Awesome.

And we will make sure to get that in the show notes.

Um, before we close out here, we need to recap our challenge words, which

we were all successful in working into the Tony, you were an overachiever.

I don't, I've, I lost count of how many times you got yours

in there, but your word was

ephemeral,

ephemeral, six times, maybe five or six times.

Good job.

Good job.

Yeah.

Todd, your word was corn dog.

And I got to use it once right at the beginning there.

And my word was concrete.

Good job guys.

I say, Tony even used your word once.

Yeah.

Yes, he did.

Yes.

Yeah.

I didn't know if you do it or not, but yeah, you did.

I didn't notice.

I didn't notice it.

I

thought you were just overachieving your

overachievement already.

You guys gave

me a task, an objective and I went for it.

Well done.

Well done.

Well, thanks again, Tony.

Appreciate your time here with us.

Thanks guys.

Loved it.

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