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 advice from

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 I'm your

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 host, Rog.

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 My guest today is

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 Simon Delve, an

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 the current CEO

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 of Sampton, a

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 Simon, welcome to

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 and move to

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 which I did.

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 I went to live in

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 Zurich for a

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 view of the

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 world, because

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 over there, I was

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 able then to find

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 my authenticity.

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 Even though it

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 was only over

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 there for six

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 months, the

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 authentic Simon

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 started coming

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 through.

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 I realized how

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 much I was

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 operating on a

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 daily basis back

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 in the UK, in the

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 Korea, in this

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 belief system

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 that I built up

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 in to actually

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 who I really was.

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 Because as soon

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 as I got into a

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 place where

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 nobody knew me, I

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 didn't feel like

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 I had to keep up

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 any appearances

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 and then the real

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 me came through.

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 So when I came

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 back from

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 Switzerland, I

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 then ended up in

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 a position where

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 I was just

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 different.

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 I was just

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 different the way

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 I was, my

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 attitude to

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 learning really

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 and trying to be

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 more, talking

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 about my

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 potential and

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 abundance of

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 opportunity.

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 My whole thought

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 process was

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 different to how

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 I operated.

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 And then over

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 those last 10

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 years, I found

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 more of a skill

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 set in developing

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 human culture in

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 businesses and

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 specializing in

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 business

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 transformation

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 and turnaround,

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 working in

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 business as an

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 entrepreneur,

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 in which then I

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 invested in

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 something and

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 become the CEO of

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 something where I

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 sit today.

393
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 Yeah, that's kind

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 of a little

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 overview of my

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 life, really.

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 Yeah, that's

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 amazing.

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 I just sort of,

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 yeah, I've

401
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 definitely spoken

402
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 to a few people

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 recently who have

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 sort of, who've

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 grown up in this

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 sort of a council

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 state sort of

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 environment.

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 I think you're

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 the first one to

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 actually sort of

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 paint it in.

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 I mean, I'm not

414
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 to say that it

415
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 wasn't maybe the

416
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 best environment

417
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 to grow up in,

418
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 but you

419
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 definitely sort

420
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 of highlighted

421
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 the fact that

422
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 there was a

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 community in

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 that, at least

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 initially.

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 And I think

427
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 although maybe

428
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 the circumstances

429
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 weren't ideal,

430
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 that is quite

431
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 special in a way.

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 I don't know what

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 you think, but I

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 think community

435
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 is something we

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 just solely as

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 black as a

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 society today,

439
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 which I think

440
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 drives a lot of

441
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 issues for a lot

442
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 of people,

443
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 especially this

444
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 whole thing about

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 sort of

446
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 loneliness and

447
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 isolation.

448
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 Did you find that

449
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 in your form to

450
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 the ears that

451
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 there was that

452
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 sort of community

453
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 there, even as I

454
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 think you put it,

455
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 you're all in the

456
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 same position.

457
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 Did you, were you

458
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 able to sort of

459
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 come together in

460
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 that respect?

461
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 Yeah, 100%.

462
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 You know, I think

463
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 my kids today,

464
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 when they go out,

465
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 you know, we've

466
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 got Find My

467
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 Child, or I think

468
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 it's called on

469
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 our iPhone, we

470
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 can track them

471
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 and, you know,

472
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 we're worried

473
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 about what's

474
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 happening in the

475
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 dangers.

476
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 There were

477
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 dangers back

478
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 then, maybe not

479
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 publicized

480
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 because of the

481
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 way social media

482
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 wasn't present

483
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 and the internet

484
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 wasn't where it

485
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 is today.

486
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 However,

487
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 we would go out

488
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 and we come back

489
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 when the lights

490
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 came on, right?

491
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 And I would go in

492
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 just in a row, we

493
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 had Margaret, one

494
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 of my mother's

495
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 friends, and our

496
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 friends, I'd be

497
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 going in there

498
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 popping.

499
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 I'd just maybe

500
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 put my hand in

501
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 the biscuit tin

502
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 and say hello,

503
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 and I'd go to the

504
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 next house.

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 And like

506
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 everybody knew

507
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 everybody, you

508
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 know, there was a

509
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 100% respect for

510
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 adults, for

511
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 elders when you

512
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 walk down the

513
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 street and you

514
00:09:00,625 --> 00:09:01,166
 did feel like a

515
00:09:01,166 --> 00:09:01,458
 community.

516
00:09:01,708 --> 00:09:02,916
 So although we

517
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 didn't have a

518
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 lot, you know, we

519
00:09:04,333 --> 00:09:04,916
 went to food

520
00:09:04,916 --> 00:09:05,500
 banks, I

521
00:09:05,500 --> 00:09:07,041
 witnessed a lot

522
00:09:07,041 --> 00:09:07,625
 going on with my

523
00:09:07,625 --> 00:09:08,583
 parents arguing

524
00:09:08,583 --> 00:09:09,500
 over money all

525
00:09:09,500 --> 00:09:09,958
 the time.

526
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 We had, some of

527
00:09:12,458 --> 00:09:13,125
 our Christmases

528
00:09:13,125 --> 00:09:15,500
 were great, but

529
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 the other 364

530
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 days were hard,

531
00:09:18,666 --> 00:09:20,000
 you know, because

532
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 the lower you had

533
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 community and

534
00:09:21,791 --> 00:09:22,541
 everybody's in a

535
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 similar space,

536
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 when you're

537
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 living in that

538
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 and, you know,

539
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 your Christmas

540
00:09:27,500 --> 00:09:28,625
 day is made up of

541
00:09:28,625 --> 00:09:29,833
 provident loans

542
00:09:29,833 --> 00:09:30,500
 and shopper check

543
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 loans and Kay's

544
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 catalogue and

545
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 Littlewood's

546
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 catalogue and,

547
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 you know, IOUs

548
00:09:34,375 --> 00:09:34,916
 with everybody

549
00:09:34,916 --> 00:09:35,666
 that will let you

550
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 have one, as you

551
00:09:37,541 --> 00:09:38,000
 got a little bit

552
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 older, probably

553
00:09:38,458 --> 00:09:38,833
 when I got to

554
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 nine or 10, I

555
00:09:39,541 --> 00:09:40,583
 started realising

556
00:09:40,583 --> 00:09:42,541
 that what we were

557
00:09:42,541 --> 00:09:44,583
 getting for a

558
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 year for

559
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 Christmas

560
00:09:46,791 --> 00:09:48,500
 actually cost us

561
00:09:48,500 --> 00:09:50,375
 a whole year of

562
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 like peace, I

563
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 suppose, you

564
00:09:53,208 --> 00:09:53,958
 know, because

565
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 anything that we

566
00:09:54,625 --> 00:09:55,916
 would be doing or

567
00:09:55,916 --> 00:09:56,750
 talking about

568
00:09:56,750 --> 00:09:59,875
 would be money

569
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 and work and

570
00:10:01,875 --> 00:10:02,750
 money and bills

571
00:10:02,750 --> 00:10:03,416
 and debts that

572
00:10:03,416 --> 00:10:04,000
 need to be paid.

573
00:10:04,791 --> 00:10:06,166
 So, yeah, there

574
00:10:06,166 --> 00:10:07,250
 was probably a

575
00:10:07,250 --> 00:10:07,750
 two pronged

576
00:10:07,750 --> 00:10:08,375
 attack there

577
00:10:08,375 --> 00:10:09,666
 where you were

578
00:10:09,666 --> 00:10:09,833
 going

579
00:10:09,833 --> 00:10:10,458
 through that.

580
00:10:10,833 --> 00:10:11,250
 But when you're

581
00:10:11,250 --> 00:10:11,500
 out in the

582
00:10:11,500 --> 00:10:12,458
 street, everyone

583
00:10:12,458 --> 00:10:12,958
 was smiling,

584
00:10:13,333 --> 00:10:13,791
 everyone was

585
00:10:13,791 --> 00:10:14,708
 happy, everyone's

586
00:10:14,708 --> 00:10:15,083
 in the same

587
00:10:15,083 --> 00:10:15,416
 position.

588
00:10:16,083 --> 00:10:16,625
 You know, there

589
00:10:16,625 --> 00:10:16,916
 was no

590
00:10:16,916 --> 00:10:17,500
 comparison.

591
00:10:18,541 --> 00:10:19,416
 We were all just

592
00:10:19,416 --> 00:10:20,166
 living the same

593
00:10:20,166 --> 00:10:21,500
 life and that

594
00:10:21,500 --> 00:10:22,916
 felt good.

595
00:10:24,041 --> 00:10:25,125
 Yeah, no, it is

596
00:10:25,125 --> 00:10:25,916
 really powerful

597
00:10:25,916 --> 00:10:26,583
 and that's

598
00:10:26,583 --> 00:10:27,250
 obviously not to

599
00:10:27,250 --> 00:10:27,875
 take away from

600
00:10:27,875 --> 00:10:28,291
 the struggles.

601
00:10:28,666 --> 00:10:29,708
 Of course, I do

602
00:10:29,708 --> 00:10:30,750
 think I don't

603
00:10:30,750 --> 00:10:31,500
 think money buys

604
00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:32,250
 happiness, but it

605
00:10:32,250 --> 00:10:32,958
 definitely sort

606
00:10:32,958 --> 00:10:33,750
 of buys the

607
00:10:33,750 --> 00:10:35,125
 freedom to not

608
00:10:35,125 --> 00:10:35,958
 worry about

609
00:10:35,958 --> 00:10:38,333
 having to be able

610
00:10:38,333 --> 00:10:39,875
 to provide for

611
00:10:39,875 --> 00:10:40,625
 your family or to

612
00:10:40,625 --> 00:10:41,250
 be able to go.

613
00:10:41,541 --> 00:10:42,625
 And it just helps

614
00:10:42,625 --> 00:10:43,500
 alleviate that

615
00:10:43,500 --> 00:10:44,000
 sort of stress,

616
00:10:44,166 --> 00:10:46,125
 as you know, very

617
00:10:46,125 --> 00:10:46,791
 little, will sort

618
00:10:46,791 --> 00:10:48,041
 of drive or

619
00:10:48,041 --> 00:10:49,000
 stress levels up

620
00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:50,375
 or destroy your

621
00:10:50,375 --> 00:10:51,083
 health fast and

622
00:10:51,083 --> 00:10:51,500
 that sort of

623
00:10:51,500 --> 00:10:51,833
 financial

624
00:10:51,833 --> 00:10:52,333
 pressure.

625
00:10:52,916 --> 00:10:54,708
 So, yeah, no,

626
00:10:54,708 --> 00:10:55,500
 it's definitely

627
00:10:55,500 --> 00:10:56,500
 something to sort

628
00:10:56,500 --> 00:10:57,541
 of be aware of.

629
00:10:57,541 --> 00:10:59,833
 But yeah, I think

630
00:10:59,833 --> 00:11:00,333
 what I was just

631
00:11:00,333 --> 00:11:01,208
 trying to sort of

632
00:11:01,208 --> 00:11:02,041
 point to is maybe

633
00:11:02,041 --> 00:11:03,083
 that that silver

634
00:11:03,083 --> 00:11:03,875
 lining of that

635
00:11:03,875 --> 00:11:04,583
 community, which

636
00:11:04,583 --> 00:11:05,583
 is definitely

637
00:11:05,583 --> 00:11:06,500
 something again,

638
00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:07,083
 like I mentioned

639
00:11:07,083 --> 00:11:07,500
 that we are

640
00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:08,208
 missing today.

641
00:11:09,583 --> 00:11:10,000
 We are.

642
00:11:10,291 --> 00:11:10,708
 I completely

643
00:11:10,708 --> 00:11:11,375
 agree with that.

644
00:11:12,208 --> 00:11:12,916
 Simon, before we

645
00:11:12,916 --> 00:11:13,291
 dig into

646
00:11:13,291 --> 00:11:13,916
 the guts,

647
00:11:15,250 --> 00:11:15,541
 actually, that's

648
00:11:15,541 --> 00:11:16,208
 a poor

649
00:11:16,208 --> 00:11:16,875
 choice of words.

650
00:11:17,250 --> 00:11:17,458
 Let me

651
00:11:17,458 --> 00:11:19,208
 rephrase that.

652
00:11:20,916 --> 00:11:21,708
 Before we sort of

653
00:11:21,708 --> 00:11:23,041
 dive into the

654
00:11:23,041 --> 00:11:23,541
 conversation

655
00:11:23,541 --> 00:11:24,458
 today and

656
00:11:24,458 --> 00:11:25,125
 actually that's

657
00:11:25,125 --> 00:11:25,875
 also cliched.

658
00:11:27,166 --> 00:11:27,750
 All right, let's

659
00:11:27,750 --> 00:11:28,583
 just go with it.

660
00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,000
 I'd love to sort

661
00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:31,666
 of talk about

662
00:11:31,666 --> 00:11:32,250
 your recent

663
00:11:32,250 --> 00:11:32,833
 experience

664
00:11:32,833 --> 00:11:33,416
 with Awake.

665
00:11:33,916 --> 00:11:35,916
 Now, I know I

666
00:11:35,916 --> 00:11:36,416
 don't know to

667
00:11:36,416 --> 00:11:36,916
 what extent

668
00:11:36,916 --> 00:11:37,541
 you're involved

669
00:11:37,541 --> 00:11:38,291
 in putting it

670
00:11:38,291 --> 00:11:39,250
 together, but I

671
00:11:39,250 --> 00:11:39,875
 do know that our

672
00:11:39,875 --> 00:11:40,583
 mutual friend,

673
00:11:40,583 --> 00:11:40,708
 Andrew

674
00:11:40,708 --> 00:11:42,291
 McLaughlin, along

675
00:11:42,291 --> 00:11:43,416
 with Jamie,

676
00:11:44,541 --> 00:11:45,500
 so his second

677
00:11:45,500 --> 00:11:47,166
 name escapes me.

678
00:11:47,916 --> 00:11:49,708
 Yeah, we're

679
00:11:49,708 --> 00:11:50,541
 instrumental in

680
00:11:50,541 --> 00:11:51,000
 putting the whole

681
00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:51,708
 event together.

682
00:11:52,416 --> 00:11:53,333
 And for those in

683
00:11:53,333 --> 00:11:53,916
 the audience who

684
00:11:53,916 --> 00:11:54,666
 maybe don't know,

685
00:11:54,666 --> 00:11:55,375
 Awake, from my

686
00:11:55,375 --> 00:11:56,041
 understanding of

687
00:11:56,041 --> 00:11:57,041
 it, is sort of a

688
00:11:57,041 --> 00:11:58,000
 getaway or a

689
00:11:58,000 --> 00:11:59,500
 treat, maybe, for

690
00:11:59,500 --> 00:12:00,500
 the better word,

691
00:12:01,583 --> 00:12:02,500
 or that aims to

692
00:12:02,500 --> 00:12:03,291
 sort of help

693
00:12:03,291 --> 00:12:03,958
 individuals sort

694
00:12:03,958 --> 00:12:04,666
 of break through

695
00:12:04,666 --> 00:12:05,791
 mental barriers

696
00:12:05,791 --> 00:12:06,875
 and discover how

697
00:12:06,875 --> 00:12:07,458
 to sort of move

698
00:12:07,458 --> 00:12:08,083
 forward in life,

699
00:12:08,083 --> 00:12:08,750
 especially from

700
00:12:08,750 --> 00:12:09,291
 Andrew's side

701
00:12:09,291 --> 00:12:09,583
 with the

702
00:12:09,583 --> 00:12:10,208
 transformational

703
00:12:10,208 --> 00:12:10,666
 coaching.

704
00:12:11,208 --> 00:12:11,875
 And I know there

705
00:12:11,875 --> 00:12:12,541
 was blood work

706
00:12:12,541 --> 00:12:13,458
 involved and some

707
00:12:13,458 --> 00:12:14,125
 physical

708
00:12:14,125 --> 00:12:15,000
 parameters that

709
00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:15,125
 were

710
00:12:15,125 --> 00:12:15,833
 measured as well.

711
00:12:16,916 --> 00:12:17,375
 But could you

712
00:12:17,375 --> 00:12:18,291
 sort of speak to

713
00:12:18,291 --> 00:12:19,958
 your experience

714
00:12:19,958 --> 00:12:20,875
 with the event,

715
00:12:20,875 --> 00:12:21,458
 though, maybe how

716
00:12:21,458 --> 00:12:22,125
 involved and what

717
00:12:22,125 --> 00:12:22,750
 you took away

718
00:12:22,750 --> 00:12:23,500
 from it?

719
00:12:24,375 --> 00:12:24,875
 Yeah, 100

720
00:12:24,875 --> 00:12:25,291
 percent.

721
00:12:26,166 --> 00:12:27,041
 So Awake.

722
00:12:28,458 --> 00:12:28,875
 Well, like I

723
00:12:28,875 --> 00:12:29,458
 said, really, the

724
00:12:29,458 --> 00:12:30,208
 start off is wow.

725
00:12:31,250 --> 00:12:31,583
 Like this.

726
00:12:32,750 --> 00:12:33,958
 I've been in the

727
00:12:33,958 --> 00:12:34,875
 wellness space

728
00:12:34,875 --> 00:12:35,208
 for a little

729
00:12:35,208 --> 00:12:36,416
 while in terms of

730
00:12:36,416 --> 00:12:37,291
 maybe just

731
00:12:37,291 --> 00:12:37,625
 getting an

732
00:12:37,625 --> 00:12:38,291
 understanding of

733
00:12:38,291 --> 00:12:39,666
 myself, because

734
00:12:39,666 --> 00:12:39,958
 that's all we

735
00:12:39,958 --> 00:12:40,458
 ever will really

736
00:12:40,458 --> 00:12:40,958
 understand is

737
00:12:40,958 --> 00:12:41,708
 ourselves more than

738
00:12:41,708 --> 00:12:42,375
 anything else.

739
00:12:44,791 --> 00:12:45,583
 And Andrew and

740
00:12:45,583 --> 00:12:46,250
 Jamie are very

741
00:12:46,250 --> 00:12:46,416
 good

742
00:12:46,416 --> 00:12:47,791
 friends of mine.

743
00:12:48,541 --> 00:12:50,166
 And Jamie kind of

744
00:12:50,166 --> 00:12:50,791
 give birth to

745
00:12:50,791 --> 00:12:51,958
 this idea that he

746
00:12:51,958 --> 00:12:53,416
 would have a

747
00:12:53,416 --> 00:12:55,291
 community which

748
00:12:55,291 --> 00:12:56,958
 was just Jamie

749
00:12:56,958 --> 00:12:57,541
 and friends.

750
00:12:58,666 --> 00:12:59,000
 So it would be

751
00:12:59,000 --> 00:12:59,583
 just him.

752
00:12:59,583 --> 00:13:01,000
 No titles, no egos.

753
00:13:01,458 --> 00:13:01,875
 It's very Welsh.

754
00:13:02,583 --> 00:13:03,291
 Yeah, you know.

755
00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,041
 And with myself

756
00:13:06,041 --> 00:13:06,625
 and Andy and

757
00:13:06,625 --> 00:13:06,958
 other people

758
00:13:06,958 --> 00:13:08,166
 being very close

759
00:13:08,166 --> 00:13:09,166
 with Jamie, Jamie

760
00:13:09,166 --> 00:13:10,916
 was very keen to

761
00:13:10,916 --> 00:13:11,666
 have some of us

762
00:13:11,666 --> 00:13:12,041
 on board.

763
00:13:12,916 --> 00:13:13,833
 Now, for myself,

764
00:13:13,833 --> 00:13:14,541
 I didn't have the

765
00:13:14,541 --> 00:13:15,500
 time really to

766
00:13:15,500 --> 00:13:18,083
 commit to what

767
00:13:18,083 --> 00:13:18,833
 was needed really

768
00:13:18,833 --> 00:13:19,416
 to pull something

769
00:13:19,416 --> 00:13:20,041
 like this off

770
00:13:20,041 --> 00:13:21,291
 where, you know,

771
00:13:21,291 --> 00:13:21,916
 Andrew and Jamie

772
00:13:21,916 --> 00:13:24,375
 very much put a

773
00:13:24,375 --> 00:13:24,875
 lot of effort

774
00:13:24,875 --> 00:13:25,500
 into it.

775
00:13:25,833 --> 00:13:26,291
 And they really

776
00:13:26,291 --> 00:13:26,666
 designed

777
00:13:26,666 --> 00:13:28,666
 something that is

778
00:13:28,666 --> 00:13:30,250
 different.

779
00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:31,541
 It is different.

780
00:13:31,750 --> 00:13:32,500
 You know, it's

781
00:13:32,500 --> 00:13:34,916
 we're not just on

782
00:13:34,916 --> 00:13:36,166
 a retreat, we

783
00:13:36,166 --> 00:13:37,208
 reconnect into

784
00:13:37,208 --> 00:13:38,541
 source and that

785
00:13:38,541 --> 00:13:40,541
 sources us and

786
00:13:40,541 --> 00:13:41,666
 kind of what they

787
00:13:41,666 --> 00:13:42,041
 delivered.

788
00:13:43,625 --> 00:13:44,458
 Across the whole

789
00:13:44,458 --> 00:13:45,625
 of the event

790
00:13:45,625 --> 00:13:46,833
 really was

791
00:13:46,833 --> 00:13:47,291
 conscious

792
00:13:47,291 --> 00:13:47,875
 connection.

793
00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:49,791
 It really was a

794
00:13:49,791 --> 00:13:50,125
 conscious

795
00:13:50,125 --> 00:13:50,791
 connection to

796
00:13:50,791 --> 00:13:52,125
 ourselves and

797
00:13:52,125 --> 00:13:52,458
 conscious

798
00:13:52,458 --> 00:13:52,791
 connection

799
00:13:52,791 --> 00:13:53,375
 to others.

800
00:13:54,500 --> 00:13:55,291
 And that was like

801
00:13:55,291 --> 00:13:57,291
 for everybody, a

802
00:13:57,291 --> 00:13:57,958
 really special

803
00:13:57,958 --> 00:13:58,833
 moment, because

804
00:13:58,833 --> 00:13:59,833
 once you got in

805
00:13:59,833 --> 00:14:00,791
 there, it wasn't

806
00:14:00,791 --> 00:14:01,291
 probably until

807
00:14:01,291 --> 00:14:01,833
 all of us got

808
00:14:01,833 --> 00:14:02,416
 home that we got

809
00:14:02,416 --> 00:14:03,083
 out of it.

810
00:14:03,666 --> 00:14:04,041
 You know, we

811
00:14:04,041 --> 00:14:04,666
 connected and

812
00:14:04,666 --> 00:14:05,458
 stay connected

813
00:14:05,458 --> 00:14:07,291
 every day, all

814
00:14:07,291 --> 00:14:09,125
 day through over

815
00:14:09,125 --> 00:14:09,708
 coffee in the

816
00:14:09,708 --> 00:14:10,708
 morning, through

817
00:14:10,708 --> 00:14:11,708
 the walks we were

818
00:14:11,708 --> 00:14:12,458
 on, through the

819
00:14:12,458 --> 00:14:12,958
 yoga, the

820
00:14:12,958 --> 00:14:13,708
 meditation, the

821
00:14:13,708 --> 00:14:14,458
 rope work, the

822
00:14:14,458 --> 00:14:15,208
 breath work,

823
00:14:16,291 --> 00:14:16,583
 the

824
00:14:16,583 --> 00:14:17,500
 learning centre.

825
00:14:18,708 --> 00:14:20,375
 And one of the

826
00:14:20,375 --> 00:14:21,458
 breakthrough I

827
00:14:21,458 --> 00:14:22,000
 had actually,

828
00:14:22,291 --> 00:14:23,041
 which was quite a

829
00:14:23,041 --> 00:14:23,458
 big breakthrough

830
00:14:23,458 --> 00:14:24,166
 for me, everyone

831
00:14:24,166 --> 00:14:24,708
 had one.

832
00:14:25,666 --> 00:14:26,666
 And I kind of I

833
00:14:26,666 --> 00:14:27,333
 was simmering on

834
00:14:27,333 --> 00:14:28,083
 it for a

835
00:14:28,083 --> 00:14:28,625
 little while.

836
00:14:29,250 --> 00:14:29,666
 And then when I

837
00:14:29,666 --> 00:14:30,416
 was there, I kind

838
00:14:30,416 --> 00:14:32,000
 of I got it when

839
00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,333
 I was doing my

840
00:14:33,333 --> 00:14:34,500
 facilitation of

841
00:14:34,500 --> 00:14:35,000
 my talk.

842
00:14:35,791 --> 00:14:37,500
 And it was that

843
00:14:37,500 --> 00:14:38,291
 we talked about

844
00:14:38,291 --> 00:14:39,083
 my father passing

845
00:14:39,083 --> 00:14:39,833
 obviously 32

846
00:14:39,833 --> 00:14:40,625
 years ago today.

847
00:14:41,916 --> 00:14:44,375
 So let's say 32

848
00:14:44,375 --> 00:14:45,166
 years ago, minus

849
00:14:45,166 --> 00:14:46,458
 two weeks was the

850
00:14:46,458 --> 00:14:47,083
 last time that I

851
00:14:47,083 --> 00:14:47,583
 spoke to my

852
00:14:47,583 --> 00:14:48,791
 father two weeks

853
00:14:48,791 --> 00:14:49,416
 before he passed.

854
00:14:50,416 --> 00:14:51,333
 And at that age,

855
00:14:51,333 --> 00:14:51,958
 I'd made a

856
00:14:51,958 --> 00:14:53,166
 decision, a

857
00:14:53,166 --> 00:14:53,500
 conscious

858
00:14:53,500 --> 00:14:55,083
 decision with my

859
00:14:55,083 --> 00:14:56,416
 mum to say, I

860
00:14:56,416 --> 00:14:57,125
 don't want to see

861
00:14:57,125 --> 00:14:57,916
 my father again.

862
00:14:58,666 --> 00:14:59,250
 I could see him

863
00:14:59,250 --> 00:14:59,541
 changing.

864
00:15:00,291 --> 00:15:01,083
 And I didn't want

865
00:15:01,083 --> 00:15:01,833
 to see him any

866
00:15:01,833 --> 00:15:02,333
 different way

867
00:15:02,333 --> 00:15:02,583
 than what

868
00:15:02,583 --> 00:15:03,333
 I knew him.

869
00:15:04,583 --> 00:15:05,083
 And when I think

870
00:15:05,083 --> 00:15:06,333
 back now of like

871
00:15:06,333 --> 00:15:07,375
 my middle boy is

872
00:15:07,375 --> 00:15:09,458
 13, I think of

873
00:15:09,458 --> 00:15:10,041
 him making those

874
00:15:10,041 --> 00:15:10,500
 decisions.

875
00:15:10,791 --> 00:15:11,791
 I can't

876
00:15:11,791 --> 00:15:12,708
 quantify it.

877
00:15:13,333 --> 00:15:14,416
 However, on that

878
00:15:14,416 --> 00:15:15,041
 last time I see

879
00:15:15,041 --> 00:15:16,125
 my father, I sat

880
00:15:16,125 --> 00:15:16,541
 there with my

881
00:15:16,541 --> 00:15:17,291
 brother, Peter,

882
00:15:17,500 --> 00:15:18,333
 and he said,

883
00:15:19,125 --> 00:15:19,708
 promise me you

884
00:15:19,708 --> 00:15:20,500
 will look after

885
00:15:20,500 --> 00:15:23,500
 your mother and

886
00:15:23,500 --> 00:15:24,041
 your siblings.

887
00:15:24,958 --> 00:15:25,333
 He said, your brother

888
00:15:25,333 --> 00:15:25,750
 and sister.

889
00:15:26,875 --> 00:15:28,333
 At which point I

890
00:15:28,333 --> 00:15:29,500
 said, I will.

891
00:15:31,083 --> 00:15:33,458
 And for 30 years,

892
00:15:33,875 --> 00:15:34,541
 not until two

893
00:15:34,541 --> 00:15:35,125
 years ago, my

894
00:15:35,125 --> 00:15:35,333
 mother

895
00:15:35,333 --> 00:15:35,916
 passed away.

896
00:15:37,666 --> 00:15:39,375
 I realized I

897
00:15:39,375 --> 00:15:40,500
 lived that, Rob.

898
00:15:40,666 --> 00:15:42,000
 I lived it right

899
00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,708
 in all my

900
00:15:43,708 --> 00:15:44,291
 decisions,

901
00:15:44,291 --> 00:15:45,041
 although me and

902
00:15:45,041 --> 00:15:45,833
 my siblings might

903
00:15:45,833 --> 00:15:46,375
 have fell out a

904
00:15:46,375 --> 00:15:47,000
 little bit.

905
00:15:47,458 --> 00:15:47,875
 Me and my mother,

906
00:15:47,875 --> 00:15:48,333
 a little bit at

907
00:15:48,333 --> 00:15:49,125
 different times.

908
00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,000
 I put them first

909
00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:53,791
 over everything,

910
00:15:54,041 --> 00:15:54,375
 over my

911
00:15:54,375 --> 00:15:55,000
 relationships,

912
00:15:55,291 --> 00:15:56,083
 over my career.

913
00:15:57,208 --> 00:15:57,750
 Whatever was

914
00:15:57,750 --> 00:15:58,166
 needed

915
00:15:58,166 --> 00:15:59,000
 financially,

916
00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,750
 emotionally, I'd

917
00:16:00,750 --> 00:16:01,500
 done my best to

918
00:16:01,500 --> 00:16:02,375
 show up at all

919
00:16:02,375 --> 00:16:03,708
 times to fulfill

920
00:16:03,708 --> 00:16:04,208
 this promise.

921
00:16:05,833 --> 00:16:06,541
 And when I was

922
00:16:06,541 --> 00:16:07,000
 speaking,

923
00:16:08,125 --> 00:16:09,166
 I kind of

924
00:16:09,166 --> 00:16:10,000
 realized I'd

925
00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:10,458
 never really

926
00:16:10,458 --> 00:16:10,875
 managed to put

927
00:16:10,875 --> 00:16:11,416
 all the pieces

928
00:16:11,416 --> 00:16:11,875
 together.

929
00:16:12,625 --> 00:16:13,291
 I'd always say to

930
00:16:13,291 --> 00:16:14,291
 people, maybe

931
00:16:14,291 --> 00:16:14,916
 come from a more

932
00:16:14,916 --> 00:16:15,625
 egoic standpoint.

933
00:16:15,833 --> 00:16:16,166
 I don't know.

934
00:16:16,166 --> 00:16:16,500
 I've like, oh,

935
00:16:16,500 --> 00:16:17,166
 yeah, I did this.

936
00:16:17,166 --> 00:16:17,625
 I did that.

937
00:16:18,250 --> 00:16:19,208
 And then I'd look

938
00:16:19,208 --> 00:16:19,416
 at my

939
00:16:19,416 --> 00:16:20,125
 relationship, my

940
00:16:20,125 --> 00:16:20,666
 marriage, I had

941
00:16:20,666 --> 00:16:21,291
 broke down once

942
00:16:21,291 --> 00:16:21,750
 or twice.

943
00:16:21,875 --> 00:16:22,291
 And I looked at

944
00:16:22,291 --> 00:16:22,666
 previous

945
00:16:22,666 --> 00:16:23,291
 relationships

946
00:16:23,291 --> 00:16:25,708
 and, you know, I

947
00:16:25,708 --> 00:16:26,000
 looked at

948
00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:26,791
 sacrifices

949
00:16:26,791 --> 00:16:28,166
 that I made.

950
00:16:28,750 --> 00:16:29,625
 But all in all,

951
00:16:29,625 --> 00:16:30,458
 it was all about

952
00:16:30,458 --> 00:16:32,000
 I made a promise

953
00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,375
 to my dad and I'm

954
00:16:33,375 --> 00:16:34,125
 going to keep it.

955
00:16:34,833 --> 00:16:35,208
 And it was only

956
00:16:35,208 --> 00:16:35,750
 when my mother

957
00:16:35,750 --> 00:16:36,416
 passed away,

958
00:16:36,416 --> 00:16:36,500
 things

959
00:16:36,500 --> 00:16:37,416
 started to change.

960
00:16:37,416 --> 00:16:38,083
 I started to feel a

961
00:16:38,083 --> 00:16:38,625
 different light.

962
00:16:38,625 --> 00:16:40,125
 I didn't feel as

963
00:16:40,125 --> 00:16:44,625
 drawn to make

964
00:16:44,625 --> 00:16:45,333
 sure that

965
00:16:45,333 --> 00:16:46,083
 everybody else

966
00:16:46,083 --> 00:16:46,708
 was OK

967
00:16:46,708 --> 00:16:48,291
 over myself.

968
00:16:48,541 --> 00:16:49,125
 And I was almost

969
00:16:49,125 --> 00:16:49,708
 prepared to let

970
00:16:49,708 --> 00:16:50,416
 go of things a

971
00:16:50,416 --> 00:16:50,833
 bit more.

972
00:16:52,125 --> 00:16:53,666
 And in a wake,

973
00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:54,916
 that was probably

974
00:16:54,916 --> 00:16:55,958
 my breakthrough.

975
00:16:56,500 --> 00:16:57,291
 I really managed

976
00:16:57,291 --> 00:16:58,041
 to crystallize

977
00:16:58,041 --> 00:16:58,916
 that into an

978
00:16:58,916 --> 00:16:59,583
 understanding

979
00:16:59,583 --> 00:17:01,166
 that my father

980
00:17:01,166 --> 00:17:02,666
 never meant it

981
00:17:02,666 --> 00:17:03,041
 the way I

982
00:17:03,041 --> 00:17:03,666
 took it.

983
00:17:04,041 --> 00:17:04,541
 And as human

984
00:17:04,541 --> 00:17:05,500
 beings, we take

985
00:17:05,500 --> 00:17:06,416
 things sometimes

986
00:17:06,416 --> 00:17:08,458
 how we believe

987
00:17:08,458 --> 00:17:09,833
 they're said, not

988
00:17:09,833 --> 00:17:10,583
 as they said.

989
00:17:10,916 --> 00:17:11,625
 And that then

990
00:17:11,625 --> 00:17:12,625
 affects us into

991
00:17:12,625 --> 00:17:13,875
 making judgment

992
00:17:13,875 --> 00:17:14,625
 and decisions

993
00:17:14,625 --> 00:17:15,333
 that are

994
00:17:15,333 --> 00:17:15,708
 not right.

995
00:17:16,458 --> 00:17:16,916
 And there's no

996
00:17:16,916 --> 00:17:17,625
 way my father,

997
00:17:17,916 --> 00:17:21,000
 maybe in 13,

998
00:17:21,583 --> 00:17:22,541
 expected me to

999
00:17:22,541 --> 00:17:23,666
 spend 30 years

1000
00:17:23,666 --> 00:17:24,875
 doing that.

1001
00:17:25,750 --> 00:17:26,333
 He meant it

1002
00:17:26,333 --> 00:17:27,208
 probably in just

1003
00:17:27,208 --> 00:17:28,208
 to me a favor,

1004
00:17:28,208 --> 00:17:29,166
 kids, look after

1005
00:17:29,166 --> 00:17:30,166
 your mother and

1006
00:17:30,166 --> 00:17:30,375
 your brother

1007
00:17:30,375 --> 00:17:30,916
 and sister.

1008
00:17:31,833 --> 00:17:32,958
 Yeah, it's it's

1009
00:17:32,958 --> 00:17:33,250
 definitely

1010
00:17:33,250 --> 00:17:33,708
 interesting.

1011
00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:35,166
 And I suppose

1012
00:17:35,166 --> 00:17:37,291
 just looking at

1013
00:17:37,291 --> 00:17:38,625
 it, that that's

1014
00:17:38,625 --> 00:17:39,541
 how your 13 year

1015
00:17:39,541 --> 00:17:40,375
 old self would

1016
00:17:40,375 --> 00:17:40,791
 maybe

1017
00:17:40,791 --> 00:17:42,541
 understand that.

1018
00:17:42,583 --> 00:17:43,583
 I mean, you don't

1019
00:17:43,583 --> 00:17:44,583
 understand that

1020
00:17:44,583 --> 00:17:45,750
 sort of nuance as

1021
00:17:45,750 --> 00:17:46,291
 you do as an

1022
00:17:46,291 --> 00:17:47,125
 adult, do you?

1023
00:17:47,125 --> 00:17:47,333
 You don't

1024
00:17:47,333 --> 00:17:48,416
 understand that

1025
00:17:48,416 --> 00:17:50,833
 speaking as an

1026
00:17:50,833 --> 00:17:52,083
 adult, that isn't

1027
00:17:52,083 --> 00:17:53,125
 as much pressure

1028
00:17:53,125 --> 00:17:54,125
 when you don't

1029
00:17:54,125 --> 00:17:55,166
 have that sort of

1030
00:17:55,166 --> 00:17:55,791
 relative

1031
00:17:55,791 --> 00:17:56,750
 understanding of

1032
00:17:56,750 --> 00:17:57,166
 the world.

1033
00:17:57,416 --> 00:17:58,000
 And you always

1034
00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:58,625
 will bubble as

1035
00:17:58,625 --> 00:17:59,250
 your family.

1036
00:17:59,875 --> 00:18:01,125
 And and and and

1037
00:18:01,125 --> 00:18:01,625
 that's it.

1038
00:18:01,875 --> 00:18:03,208
 Then I suppose as

1039
00:18:03,208 --> 00:18:04,041
 a child, it's

1040
00:18:04,041 --> 00:18:05,416
 very easy to just

1041
00:18:05,416 --> 00:18:06,666
 look at something

1042
00:18:06,666 --> 00:18:07,458
 like that, look

1043
00:18:07,458 --> 00:18:08,583
 at your father's

1044
00:18:08,583 --> 00:18:09,416
 instructions and

1045
00:18:09,416 --> 00:18:10,208
 just sort of

1046
00:18:10,208 --> 00:18:11,500
 take it on.

1047
00:18:12,500 --> 00:18:14,291
 As as gospel and

1048
00:18:14,291 --> 00:18:14,750
 then sort of

1049
00:18:14,750 --> 00:18:15,250
 carry that

1050
00:18:15,250 --> 00:18:15,791
 through.

1051
00:18:15,791 --> 00:18:16,291
 And I think,

1052
00:18:16,291 --> 00:18:17,708
 yeah, looking

1053
00:18:17,708 --> 00:18:18,500
 back at my own

1054
00:18:18,500 --> 00:18:19,791
 childhood, sort

1055
00:18:19,791 --> 00:18:19,958
 of

1056
00:18:19,958 --> 00:18:20,916
 retrospectively,

1057
00:18:21,416 --> 00:18:22,000
 I mean, there

1058
00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:22,500
 were definitely

1059
00:18:22,500 --> 00:18:23,791
 sort of

1060
00:18:23,791 --> 00:18:26,083
 similar issues.

1061
00:18:26,500 --> 00:18:26,750
 I will not

1062
00:18:26,750 --> 00:18:27,416
 issues, but

1063
00:18:27,416 --> 00:18:28,333
 occurrences in my

1064
00:18:28,333 --> 00:18:29,083
 own childhood and

1065
00:18:29,083 --> 00:18:29,333
 just

1066
00:18:29,333 --> 00:18:30,500
 retrospectively

1067
00:18:30,500 --> 00:18:30,708
 looking

1068
00:18:30,708 --> 00:18:31,458
 back at them.

1069
00:18:31,625 --> 00:18:32,500
 I just sort of

1070
00:18:32,500 --> 00:18:33,750
 think, wow, I

1071
00:18:33,750 --> 00:18:34,416
 just cook that

1072
00:18:34,416 --> 00:18:35,041
 completely the

1073
00:18:35,041 --> 00:18:36,291
 wrong way, not in

1074
00:18:36,291 --> 00:18:37,041
 a negative sense,

1075
00:18:37,041 --> 00:18:38,000
 but it just from

1076
00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:38,583
 the perspective

1077
00:18:38,583 --> 00:18:39,166
 of that's

1078
00:18:39,166 --> 00:18:39,833
 all I knew.

1079
00:18:40,041 --> 00:18:40,583
 If you're

1080
00:18:40,583 --> 00:18:41,250
 following, if I'm

1081
00:18:41,250 --> 00:18:42,000
 making any sense.

1082
00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,291
 And then you sort

1083
00:18:44,291 --> 00:18:45,208
 of you get to

1084
00:18:45,208 --> 00:18:46,083
 this sort of,

1085
00:18:46,083 --> 00:18:47,291
 well, I wouldn't

1086
00:18:47,291 --> 00:18:47,416
 call

1087
00:18:47,416 --> 00:18:48,125
 myself an adult.

1088
00:18:48,375 --> 00:18:48,750
 I think I've

1089
00:18:48,750 --> 00:18:49,291
 grown a bit more

1090
00:18:49,291 --> 00:18:49,791
 since then, but

1091
00:18:49,791 --> 00:18:50,250
 not much.

1092
00:18:52,333 --> 00:18:55,250
 But you sort of

1093
00:18:55,250 --> 00:18:55,791
 come to this

1094
00:18:55,791 --> 00:18:58,416
 realization that

1095
00:18:58,416 --> 00:19:00,000
 actually, no,

1096
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:00,875
 that's not what

1097
00:19:00,875 --> 00:19:01,708
 my childhood was

1098
00:19:01,708 --> 00:19:02,500
 supposed to be.

1099
00:19:02,500 --> 00:19:03,250
 Or maybe that's

1100
00:19:03,250 --> 00:19:03,875
 not what that

1101
00:19:03,875 --> 00:19:04,750
 parent meant.

1102
00:19:06,208 --> 00:19:06,750
 And it's just

1103
00:19:06,750 --> 00:19:08,875
 that just I think

1104
00:19:08,875 --> 00:19:09,541
 is something that

1105
00:19:09,541 --> 00:19:10,416
 generally comes

1106
00:19:10,416 --> 00:19:11,208
 with at least

1107
00:19:11,208 --> 00:19:12,208
 some level

1108
00:19:12,208 --> 00:19:14,500
 of, yeah,

1109
00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:16,625
 growing up is the

1110
00:19:16,625 --> 00:19:17,250
 wrong term.

1111
00:19:17,625 --> 00:19:18,916
 But, yeah, sort

1112
00:19:18,916 --> 00:19:19,875
 of evolving as a

1113
00:19:19,875 --> 00:19:20,416
 human being.

1114
00:19:21,791 --> 00:19:23,333
 And but, yeah, I

1115
00:19:23,333 --> 00:19:24,000
 mean, if you if

1116
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:24,625
 you're able to

1117
00:19:24,625 --> 00:19:25,333
 take that away

1118
00:19:25,333 --> 00:19:26,333
 from, oh, wait,

1119
00:19:26,333 --> 00:19:26,541
 that's

1120
00:19:26,541 --> 00:19:26,958
 incredible.

1121
00:19:27,250 --> 00:19:28,916
 I think it's

1122
00:19:28,916 --> 00:19:29,791
 that's magic.

1123
00:19:30,458 --> 00:19:31,500
 It is, I think a

1124
00:19:31,500 --> 00:19:31,833
 lot of people

1125
00:19:31,833 --> 00:19:32,000
 have

1126
00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:32,625
 breakthroughs

1127
00:19:32,625 --> 00:19:33,041
 there.

1128
00:19:34,708 --> 00:19:35,500
 But more so,

1129
00:19:36,583 --> 00:19:37,291
 it was the

1130
00:19:37,291 --> 00:19:38,416
 education piece.

1131
00:19:40,916 --> 00:19:41,250
 It's almost like

1132
00:19:41,250 --> 00:19:41,666
 you don't know

1133
00:19:41,666 --> 00:19:42,041
 what you don't

1134
00:19:42,041 --> 00:19:42,500
 know, right?

1135
00:19:43,291 --> 00:19:44,791
 And, you know,

1136
00:19:46,375 --> 00:19:47,083
 as Andrew says it

1137
00:19:47,083 --> 00:19:47,458
 really well,

1138
00:19:47,458 --> 00:19:48,125
 actually, I think

1139
00:19:48,125 --> 00:19:49,041
 it was last two.

1140
00:19:49,041 --> 00:19:50,208
 Sue was said it

1141
00:19:50,208 --> 00:19:51,750
 as not knowing is

1142
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:52,791
 knowing, you

1143
00:19:52,791 --> 00:19:53,208
 know, there's

1144
00:19:53,208 --> 00:19:55,750
 like so many ways

1145
00:19:55,750 --> 00:19:56,250
 to look at

1146
00:19:56,250 --> 00:19:56,750
 the world.

1147
00:19:58,708 --> 00:19:59,916
 But when you find

1148
00:19:59,916 --> 00:20:01,208
 that deeper

1149
00:20:01,208 --> 00:20:01,958
 understanding of

1150
00:20:01,958 --> 00:20:03,208
 self and try to

1151
00:20:03,208 --> 00:20:03,791
 really connect

1152
00:20:03,791 --> 00:20:05,916
 with you, you

1153
00:20:05,916 --> 00:20:06,500
 actually find it

1154
00:20:06,500 --> 00:20:07,458
 easier to let go

1155
00:20:07,458 --> 00:20:09,958
 and come to terms

1156
00:20:09,958 --> 00:20:10,583
 with things.

1157
00:20:12,083 --> 00:20:12,833
 So, yeah, I would

1158
00:20:12,833 --> 00:20:13,791
 say for anybody,

1159
00:20:15,250 --> 00:20:15,791
 whether it was a

1160
00:20:15,791 --> 00:20:16,791
 wake or another

1161
00:20:16,791 --> 00:20:18,750
 similar, it's

1162
00:20:18,750 --> 00:20:19,250
 definitely

1163
00:20:19,250 --> 00:20:20,458
 something that is

1164
00:20:20,458 --> 00:20:21,000
 transformative

1165
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,333
 and will

1166
00:20:22,333 --> 00:20:23,000
 sit with you.

1167
00:20:23,416 --> 00:20:23,750
 When you talk

1168
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:24,458
 about community,

1169
00:20:25,375 --> 00:20:26,208
 those of us that

1170
00:20:26,208 --> 00:20:27,375
 went, we will

1171
00:20:27,375 --> 00:20:28,083
 have a connection

1172
00:20:28,083 --> 00:20:30,083
 now for the rest

1173
00:20:30,083 --> 00:20:30,708
 of our lives,

1174
00:20:30,708 --> 00:20:32,833
 because it was

1175
00:20:32,833 --> 00:20:35,000
 such a tight,

1176
00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:37,000
 conscious moment

1177
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,458
 over those days

1178
00:20:38,458 --> 00:20:40,208
 that we couldn't

1179
00:20:40,208 --> 00:20:40,708
 we couldn't not

1180
00:20:40,708 --> 00:20:41,000
 not be

1181
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:41,666
 connected now.

1182
00:20:42,416 --> 00:20:43,166
 You know, it was

1183
00:20:43,166 --> 00:20:44,416
 it was special,

1184
00:20:44,416 --> 00:20:45,458
 you know, when

1185
00:20:45,458 --> 00:20:45,875
 there's all about

1186
00:20:45,875 --> 00:20:46,833
 the diamonds

1187
00:20:46,833 --> 00:20:47,666
 inside of us,

1188
00:20:47,666 --> 00:20:48,208
 it's all about

1189
00:20:48,208 --> 00:20:50,958
 our wisdom and

1190
00:20:50,958 --> 00:20:51,833
 our intuition and

1191
00:20:51,833 --> 00:20:52,541
 who we

1192
00:20:52,541 --> 00:20:53,250
 really are.

1193
00:20:53,458 --> 00:20:55,250
 That gets clouded

1194
00:20:55,250 --> 00:20:56,708
 over by the

1195
00:20:56,708 --> 00:20:57,458
 psychology and

1196
00:20:57,458 --> 00:20:58,166
 the belief system

1197
00:20:58,166 --> 00:20:59,750
 that we are bred

1198
00:20:59,750 --> 00:21:00,750
 into, that we

1199
00:21:00,750 --> 00:21:01,291
 build up

1200
00:21:01,291 --> 00:21:01,791
 ourselves.

1201
00:21:03,333 --> 00:21:04,291
 And then we think

1202
00:21:04,291 --> 00:21:04,625
 with our

1203
00:21:04,625 --> 00:21:05,166
 thoughts, but

1204
00:21:05,166 --> 00:21:05,666
 we're not our

1205
00:21:05,666 --> 00:21:06,000
 thoughts.

1206
00:21:06,625 --> 00:21:07,375
 You know, we

1207
00:21:07,375 --> 00:21:08,083
 never really use

1208
00:21:08,083 --> 00:21:09,041
 feeling anymore

1209
00:21:09,041 --> 00:21:09,916
 because it's all

1210
00:21:09,916 --> 00:21:10,500
 in thinking.

1211
00:21:11,416 --> 00:21:11,958
 And when you

1212
00:21:11,958 --> 00:21:12,541
 strip all that

1213
00:21:12,541 --> 00:21:13,208
 back and all that

1214
00:21:13,208 --> 00:21:14,125
 psychology back

1215
00:21:14,125 --> 00:21:15,583
 and you just go

1216
00:21:15,583 --> 00:21:17,208
 back to you, you

1217
00:21:17,208 --> 00:21:18,125
 know, I suppose

1218
00:21:18,125 --> 00:21:19,666
 my my moment of

1219
00:21:19,666 --> 00:21:20,125
 that happened

1220
00:21:20,125 --> 00:21:20,875
 when I went to

1221
00:21:20,875 --> 00:21:23,166
 Switzerland and I

1222
00:21:23,166 --> 00:21:24,208
 discovered that.

1223
00:21:25,125 --> 00:21:26,333
 But this was a

1224
00:21:26,333 --> 00:21:26,833
 different level

1225
00:21:26,833 --> 00:21:27,500
 of discovery.

1226
00:21:27,958 --> 00:21:28,583
 I kind of knew

1227
00:21:28,583 --> 00:21:29,416
 what it felt like

1228
00:21:29,416 --> 00:21:30,916
 to find myself.

1229
00:21:32,208 --> 00:21:34,458
 But I still now

1230
00:21:34,458 --> 00:21:34,916
 and again,

1231
00:21:34,916 --> 00:21:35,541
 especially when I

1232
00:21:35,541 --> 00:21:36,166
 think back with

1233
00:21:36,166 --> 00:21:37,583
 my parents and my

1234
00:21:37,583 --> 00:21:38,250
 mother and stuff,

1235
00:21:38,583 --> 00:21:39,333
 I was still being

1236
00:21:39,333 --> 00:21:40,083
 somebody else

1237
00:21:40,083 --> 00:21:40,583
 that I thought

1238
00:21:40,583 --> 00:21:41,375
 someone wanted me

1239
00:21:41,375 --> 00:21:42,875
 to be as opposed

1240
00:21:42,875 --> 00:21:44,041
 to just being me.

1241
00:21:44,875 --> 00:21:45,916
 Yeah, it sounds

1242
00:21:45,916 --> 00:21:47,583
 like a

1243
00:21:47,583 --> 00:21:48,000
 particularly

1244
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,250
 effective magic

1245
00:21:49,250 --> 00:21:50,083
 mushroom ceremony

1246
00:21:50,083 --> 00:21:50,875
 without the magic

1247
00:21:50,875 --> 00:21:51,291
 mushrooms.

1248
00:21:52,333 --> 00:21:54,333
 I think we tried

1249
00:21:54,333 --> 00:21:55,041
 to order some in,

1250
00:21:55,041 --> 00:21:55,541
 but it wasn't any

1251
00:21:55,541 --> 00:21:55,875
 available.

1252
00:21:56,333 --> 00:21:56,625
 Okay,

1253
00:21:57,625 --> 00:21:58,500
 I should hold me.

1254
00:21:58,750 --> 00:21:59,500
 I have sources,

1255
00:21:59,791 --> 00:22:00,250
 don't you worry.

1256
00:22:03,208 --> 00:22:03,708
 Yeah, no.

1257
00:22:04,500 --> 00:22:05,541
 Yeah, obviously

1258
00:22:05,541 --> 00:22:06,833
 we just and

1259
00:22:06,833 --> 00:22:08,333
 psychedelics

1260
00:22:08,333 --> 00:22:09,166
 should only be

1261
00:22:09,166 --> 00:22:10,833
 used sort of in

1262
00:22:10,833 --> 00:22:11,416
 controlled

1263
00:22:11,416 --> 00:22:12,083
 situations.

1264
00:22:13,041 --> 00:22:15,041
 But yeah, it

1265
00:22:15,041 --> 00:22:15,833
 sounds like an

1266
00:22:15,833 --> 00:22:16,541
 amazing event.

1267
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:17,625
 I'm sorry, I

1268
00:22:17,625 --> 00:22:18,250
 couldn't make it

1269
00:22:18,250 --> 00:22:19,083
 this time around.

1270
00:22:19,083 --> 00:22:19,791
 I know there will

1271
00:22:19,791 --> 00:22:21,500
 be I know you'll

1272
00:22:21,500 --> 00:22:22,083
 be hosting it

1273
00:22:22,083 --> 00:22:22,708
 annually, though,

1274
00:22:22,708 --> 00:22:23,250
 and there will be

1275
00:22:23,250 --> 00:22:23,541
 daily

1276
00:22:23,541 --> 00:22:25,208
 events as well.

1277
00:22:25,291 --> 00:22:26,875
 So twice a year.

1278
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:27,208
 Yeah.

1279
00:22:27,458 --> 00:22:28,666
 So we have every

1280
00:22:28,666 --> 00:22:30,083
 April and I think

1281
00:22:30,083 --> 00:22:31,000
 it's November the

1282
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:31,500
 first to the

1283
00:22:31,500 --> 00:22:32,125
 fifth this year.

1284
00:22:32,916 --> 00:22:33,916
 So we'll have

1285
00:22:33,916 --> 00:22:34,583
 twice a year.

1286
00:22:34,583 --> 00:22:35,041
 We'll be having

1287
00:22:35,041 --> 00:22:37,250
 the event plus

1288
00:22:37,250 --> 00:22:37,750
 we'll be doing

1289
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:38,583
 day events in

1290
00:22:38,583 --> 00:22:39,208
 between to give

1291
00:22:39,208 --> 00:22:41,208
 people tasters of

1292
00:22:41,208 --> 00:22:42,750
 what it's like to

1293
00:22:42,750 --> 00:22:43,708
 experience it.

1294
00:22:43,708 --> 00:22:44,750
 But, you know,

1295
00:22:44,916 --> 00:22:45,583
 that is just

1296
00:22:45,583 --> 00:22:45,833
 going to

1297
00:22:45,833 --> 00:22:46,333
 be a taste.

1298
00:22:46,375 --> 00:22:48,000
 It won't be the

1299
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,250
 same as being,

1300
00:22:49,250 --> 00:22:50,833
 you know, away,

1301
00:22:51,250 --> 00:22:52,083
 you know, with a

1302
00:22:52,083 --> 00:22:52,666
 group of people

1303
00:22:52,666 --> 00:22:53,916
 having the

1304
00:22:53,916 --> 00:22:54,375
 constant

1305
00:22:54,375 --> 00:22:54,916
 conscious

1306
00:22:54,916 --> 00:22:55,333
 connection.

1307
00:22:56,083 --> 00:22:56,750
 Of course not.

1308
00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:57,375
 You can't expect

1309
00:22:57,375 --> 00:22:57,875
 that sort of

1310
00:22:57,875 --> 00:22:58,875
 immersion in one

1311
00:22:58,875 --> 00:22:59,958
 day, although, to

1312
00:22:59,958 --> 00:23:00,833
 be honest, it's

1313
00:23:00,833 --> 00:23:01,208
 sort of

1314
00:23:01,208 --> 00:23:01,750
 sunny oils.

1315
00:23:01,750 --> 00:23:02,416
 It's probably a

1316
00:23:02,416 --> 00:23:02,666
 bad

1317
00:23:02,666 --> 00:23:03,458
 experience either.

1318
00:23:05,041 --> 00:23:06,000
 So what we'll do

1319
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:06,791
 for those listing

1320
00:23:06,791 --> 00:23:07,583
 if anyone is

1321
00:23:07,583 --> 00:23:08,166
 interested in a

1322
00:23:08,166 --> 00:23:08,791
 way, we'll just

1323
00:23:08,791 --> 00:23:10,125
 we'll link to it

1324
00:23:10,125 --> 00:23:10,708
 in the show notes

1325
00:23:10,708 --> 00:23:12,291
 and yeah, just

1326
00:23:12,291 --> 00:23:13,125
 get all the URLs

1327
00:23:13,125 --> 00:23:13,875
 in there for

1328
00:23:13,875 --> 00:23:14,541
 anyone who would

1329
00:23:14,541 --> 00:23:14,916
 like to

1330
00:23:14,916 --> 00:23:15,458
 follow up.

1331
00:23:16,666 --> 00:23:16,875
 OK,

1332
00:23:18,083 --> 00:23:18,333
 I'm coming.

1333
00:23:18,333 --> 00:23:18,708
 I think I better

1334
00:23:18,708 --> 00:23:19,500
 get us back on

1335
00:23:19,500 --> 00:23:20,125
 track of this.

1336
00:23:20,125 --> 00:23:20,291
 We'll be

1337
00:23:20,291 --> 00:23:21,083
 here all day.

1338
00:23:21,083 --> 00:23:21,500
 I'm sorry.

1339
00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:22,000
 I'm like a bag

1340
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:22,625
 pie to see

1341
00:23:22,625 --> 00:23:23,250
 something shiny

1342
00:23:23,250 --> 00:23:24,083
 and I'm off on a

1343
00:23:24,083 --> 00:23:24,458
 tangent.

1344
00:23:25,041 --> 00:23:26,833
 So yeah, make of

1345
00:23:26,833 --> 00:23:27,125
 that what

1346
00:23:27,125 --> 00:23:27,708
 you will.

1347
00:23:28,708 --> 00:23:31,250
 OK, I think that

1348
00:23:31,250 --> 00:23:31,916
 was kind of a

1349
00:23:31,916 --> 00:23:32,708
 really nice segue

1350
00:23:32,708 --> 00:23:33,625
 to what I'd like

1351
00:23:33,625 --> 00:23:34,500
 to start talking

1352
00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:35,333
 about next, which

1353
00:23:35,333 --> 00:23:36,000
 which is this

1354
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:36,916
 concept of stress

1355
00:23:36,916 --> 00:23:39,291
 and which will

1356
00:23:39,291 --> 00:23:40,166
 also be great for

1357
00:23:40,166 --> 00:23:40,583
 the rest of

1358
00:23:40,583 --> 00:23:41,083
 conversation.

1359
00:23:41,875 --> 00:23:42,833
 Now, everyone's

1360
00:23:42,833 --> 00:23:43,416
 heard a stress,

1361
00:23:43,416 --> 00:23:44,083
 of course, and

1362
00:23:44,083 --> 00:23:45,958
 it's essentially

1363
00:23:45,958 --> 00:23:46,750
 and essentially

1364
00:23:46,750 --> 00:23:47,500
 what it is and

1365
00:23:47,500 --> 00:23:48,041
 that is sort of

1366
00:23:48,041 --> 00:23:49,166
 an issue in high

1367
00:23:49,166 --> 00:23:49,833
 amounts and that

1368
00:23:49,833 --> 00:23:50,500
 it can sort of

1369
00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:50,750
 damage

1370
00:23:50,750 --> 00:23:51,375
 our bodies.

1371
00:23:52,416 --> 00:23:53,041
 But I think what

1372
00:23:53,041 --> 00:23:53,791
 most people sort

1373
00:23:53,791 --> 00:23:54,333
 of fail to

1374
00:23:54,333 --> 00:23:54,916
 realize is that

1375
00:23:54,916 --> 00:23:56,166
 we do require a

1376
00:23:56,166 --> 00:23:57,041
 certain amount of

1377
00:23:57,041 --> 00:23:57,500
 stress to

1378
00:23:57,500 --> 00:23:57,916
 function.

1379
00:23:59,333 --> 00:23:59,875
 Can you break

1380
00:23:59,875 --> 00:24:01,083
 down obviously

1381
00:24:01,083 --> 00:24:02,583
 sort of with your

1382
00:24:02,583 --> 00:24:03,625
 understanding of

1383
00:24:03,625 --> 00:24:04,708
 stress having

1384
00:24:04,708 --> 00:24:06,250
 worked or working

1385
00:24:06,250 --> 00:24:07,208
 with a

1386
00:24:07,208 --> 00:24:07,708
 sound time?

1387
00:24:07,958 --> 00:24:08,916
 What stresses and

1388
00:24:08,916 --> 00:24:10,583
 why we need it to

1389
00:24:10,583 --> 00:24:11,333
 to some extent

1390
00:24:11,333 --> 00:24:12,000
 optimally

1391
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:12,666
 function, but

1392
00:24:12,666 --> 00:24:15,416
 then also why too

1393
00:24:15,416 --> 00:24:16,625
 much of it can be

1394
00:24:16,625 --> 00:24:17,208
 an issue?

1395
00:24:18,083 --> 00:24:18,375
 Yeah, I

1396
00:24:18,375 --> 00:24:18,958
 definitely can.

1397
00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:20,166
 I think like from

1398
00:24:20,166 --> 00:24:21,416
 myself, you know,

1399
00:24:21,416 --> 00:24:22,666
 I'll have my own

1400
00:24:22,666 --> 00:24:23,500
 view on it.

1401
00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:24,125
 I'm not a medical

1402
00:24:24,125 --> 00:24:24,541
 practitioner.

1403
00:24:24,958 --> 00:24:25,708
 So for me, it's

1404
00:24:25,708 --> 00:24:27,500
 just the way I've

1405
00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:28,750
 come to learn it

1406
00:24:28,750 --> 00:24:31,333
 through my own my

1407
00:24:31,333 --> 00:24:31,916
 own ways of

1408
00:24:31,916 --> 00:24:32,125
 dealing

1409
00:24:32,125 --> 00:24:32,750
 with stress.

1410
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:33,416
 You know, I've

1411
00:24:33,416 --> 00:24:34,291
 had a lot of dark

1412
00:24:34,291 --> 00:24:35,166
 times myself.

1413
00:24:35,958 --> 00:24:36,791
 You know, I've

1414
00:24:36,791 --> 00:24:38,041
 been rock bottom

1415
00:24:38,041 --> 00:24:39,541
 a few times

1416
00:24:39,541 --> 00:24:40,125
 in my life.

1417
00:24:41,125 --> 00:24:42,666
 And yeah, I've

1418
00:24:42,666 --> 00:24:43,250
 had some really

1419
00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:44,458
 dark times, dark

1420
00:24:44,458 --> 00:24:44,791
 thoughts.

1421
00:24:45,166 --> 00:24:46,666
 So for me, stress

1422
00:24:46,666 --> 00:24:49,333
 is really is

1423
00:24:49,333 --> 00:24:50,750
 pressure, right?

1424
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:51,500
 It's pressure on

1425
00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:52,250
 our mental,

1426
00:24:52,250 --> 00:24:53,791
 physical being.

1427
00:24:54,750 --> 00:24:55,333
 And essentially

1428
00:24:55,333 --> 00:24:56,750
 we release

1429
00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:57,416
 chemicals like

1430
00:24:57,416 --> 00:24:58,125
 adrenaline and

1431
00:24:58,125 --> 00:24:58,375
 cortisol.

1432
00:24:59,541 --> 00:25:00,750
 And these these

1433
00:25:00,750 --> 00:25:01,458
 generally happen

1434
00:25:01,458 --> 00:25:01,833
 when we're in a

1435
00:25:01,833 --> 00:25:02,500
 flight or fight

1436
00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:03,583
 response.

1437
00:25:05,291 --> 00:25:05,500
 Now,

1438
00:25:06,750 --> 00:25:08,250
 stress is

1439
00:25:08,250 --> 00:25:08,875
 positive, right?

1440
00:25:10,166 --> 00:25:12,000
 Because like when

1441
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:12,250
 you become

1442
00:25:12,250 --> 00:25:13,416
 motivated, when

1443
00:25:13,416 --> 00:25:13,708
 you become

1444
00:25:13,708 --> 00:25:15,416
 focused, when you

1445
00:25:15,416 --> 00:25:16,416
 want to grow

1446
00:25:16,416 --> 00:25:17,125
 through personal

1447
00:25:17,125 --> 00:25:18,708
 growth, having

1448
00:25:18,708 --> 00:25:19,583
 stress is good

1449
00:25:19,583 --> 00:25:21,000
 because you're

1450
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:21,500
 putting yourself

1451
00:25:21,500 --> 00:25:23,791
 under pressure to

1452
00:25:23,791 --> 00:25:24,458
 complete

1453
00:25:24,458 --> 00:25:25,333
 something, to

1454
00:25:25,333 --> 00:25:25,750
 achieve

1455
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:26,583
 something, to go

1456
00:25:26,583 --> 00:25:26,916
 somewhere.

1457
00:25:27,166 --> 00:25:27,375
 Right.

1458
00:25:27,625 --> 00:25:30,666
 So that is not a

1459
00:25:30,666 --> 00:25:31,333
 bad thing

1460
00:25:31,333 --> 00:25:32,166
 to have that.

1461
00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:34,666
 The problem kind

1462
00:25:34,666 --> 00:25:35,500
 of really comes

1463
00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:37,291
 where we remain

1464
00:25:37,291 --> 00:25:39,416
 in flight or

1465
00:25:39,416 --> 00:25:40,458
 fight for long

1466
00:25:40,458 --> 00:25:41,333
 periods of time.

1467
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,500
 And we go into

1468
00:25:44,500 --> 00:25:46,500
 chronic, chronic

1469
00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:47,291
 stress, really.

1470
00:25:47,916 --> 00:25:50,083
 And that is for

1471
00:25:50,083 --> 00:25:50,875
 prolonged periods

1472
00:25:50,875 --> 00:25:52,083
 of time, that's

1473
00:25:52,083 --> 00:25:52,708
 hard then.

1474
00:25:53,333 --> 00:25:53,791
 Because when

1475
00:25:53,791 --> 00:25:54,500
 you're in that

1476
00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:56,000
 state, it kind of

1477
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,625
 can trigger also

1478
00:25:57,625 --> 00:25:58,458
 like health

1479
00:25:58,458 --> 00:26:00,083
 conditions that

1480
00:26:00,083 --> 00:26:00,500
 you've got.

1481
00:26:00,833 --> 00:26:01,000
 You know, if

1482
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:01,250
 you've got

1483
00:26:01,250 --> 00:26:01,916
 underlying health

1484
00:26:01,916 --> 00:26:03,166
 conditions, you

1485
00:26:03,166 --> 00:26:03,750
 know, with your

1486
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:04,958
 heart, with your

1487
00:26:04,958 --> 00:26:05,666
 blood pressure,

1488
00:26:06,291 --> 00:26:06,708
 you know, it

1489
00:26:06,708 --> 00:26:07,041
 could be a

1490
00:26:07,041 --> 00:26:08,000
 digestive system,

1491
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:08,375
 many different

1492
00:26:08,375 --> 00:26:09,000
 things, really.

1493
00:26:10,208 --> 00:26:10,875
 That that's when

1494
00:26:10,875 --> 00:26:11,666
 it really

1495
00:26:11,666 --> 00:26:12,375
 affects us.

1496
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,625
 And what some of

1497
00:26:15,625 --> 00:26:16,291
 us tend to do

1498
00:26:16,291 --> 00:26:17,333
 then is we we

1499
00:26:17,333 --> 00:26:17,833
 turn to bad

1500
00:26:17,833 --> 00:26:19,166
 habits because we

1501
00:26:19,166 --> 00:26:20,500
 turn to things to

1502
00:26:20,500 --> 00:26:20,875
 relieve

1503
00:26:20,875 --> 00:26:21,500
 our stress.

1504
00:26:22,125 --> 00:26:23,458
 So it could be

1505
00:26:23,458 --> 00:26:25,416
 drink, it could

1506
00:26:25,416 --> 00:26:26,916
 be drugs, it

1507
00:26:26,916 --> 00:26:27,291
 could be

1508
00:26:27,291 --> 00:26:29,166
 overeating, it

1509
00:26:29,166 --> 00:26:29,958
 could be over

1510
00:26:29,958 --> 00:26:30,750
 consuming TV

1511
00:26:30,750 --> 00:26:31,791
 programs and sit

1512
00:26:31,791 --> 00:26:32,458
 in, it could be

1513
00:26:32,458 --> 00:26:33,083
 doom scrolling.

1514
00:26:34,208 --> 00:26:34,416
 Yeah.

1515
00:26:34,791 --> 00:26:36,041
 So we naturally

1516
00:26:36,041 --> 00:26:36,833
 look for

1517
00:26:36,833 --> 00:26:38,708
 something to give

1518
00:26:38,708 --> 00:26:39,875
 us a dopamine hit

1519
00:26:39,875 --> 00:26:41,541
 to keep us going.

1520
00:26:42,208 --> 00:26:43,583
 And then when it

1521
00:26:43,583 --> 00:26:45,125
 falls off, we

1522
00:26:45,125 --> 00:26:46,000
 kind of sit

1523
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:46,750
 ourselves in this

1524
00:26:46,750 --> 00:26:47,333
 state there

1525
00:26:47,333 --> 00:26:48,000
 really where we

1526
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:48,916
 we become stuck.

1527
00:26:50,041 --> 00:26:51,125
 And that's really

1528
00:26:51,125 --> 00:26:53,083
 how I would say I

1529
00:26:53,083 --> 00:26:54,000
 would explain how

1530
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:55,041
 stress is.

1531
00:26:55,041 --> 00:26:55,458
 So it is a

1532
00:26:55,458 --> 00:26:56,000
 good thing.

1533
00:26:56,750 --> 00:26:57,666
 But when you

1534
00:26:57,666 --> 00:26:58,875
 allow it to

1535
00:26:58,875 --> 00:27:00,125
 take over,

1536
00:27:02,041 --> 00:27:02,375
 you know, when

1537
00:27:02,375 --> 00:27:03,791
 you're in your

1538
00:27:03,791 --> 00:27:05,333
 body really, when

1539
00:27:05,333 --> 00:27:05,541
 you start

1540
00:27:05,541 --> 00:27:06,000
 releasing

1541
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,250
 adrenaline at

1542
00:27:08,250 --> 00:27:10,083
 first, it's not a

1543
00:27:10,083 --> 00:27:10,708
 bad thing.

1544
00:27:10,750 --> 00:27:11,333
 Even when you

1545
00:27:11,333 --> 00:27:13,000
 produce cortisol

1546
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:13,791
 at first is not a

1547
00:27:13,791 --> 00:27:14,291
 bad thing.

1548
00:27:15,375 --> 00:27:16,291
 But too much of

1549
00:27:16,291 --> 00:27:18,208
 it can out

1550
00:27:18,208 --> 00:27:18,708
 balance your

1551
00:27:18,708 --> 00:27:19,500
 system and then

1552
00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:20,000
 it affects your

1553
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:20,916
 serotonin levels,

1554
00:27:21,333 --> 00:27:22,416
 which puts you

1555
00:27:22,416 --> 00:27:22,958
 out of balance.

1556
00:27:23,583 --> 00:27:24,250
 And with that,

1557
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:26,500
 I think people

1558
00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:29,125
 almost feel lost.

1559
00:27:29,583 --> 00:27:30,083
 They feel like

1560
00:27:30,083 --> 00:27:30,666
 they're not able

1561
00:27:30,666 --> 00:27:32,041
 to to do anything

1562
00:27:32,041 --> 00:27:33,000
 because they're

1563
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:33,583
 in this position

1564
00:27:33,583 --> 00:27:34,500
 where they're all

1565
00:27:34,500 --> 00:27:35,000
 out of balance

1566
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:35,500
 and they're like,

1567
00:27:36,125 --> 00:27:37,083
 right, I don't

1568
00:27:37,083 --> 00:27:37,458
 feel

1569
00:27:37,458 --> 00:27:38,166
 confident now.

1570
00:27:38,208 --> 00:27:38,666
 I don't feel

1571
00:27:38,666 --> 00:27:39,541
 focused now.

1572
00:27:39,541 --> 00:27:40,125
 I don't feel I

1573
00:27:40,125 --> 00:27:40,833
 can do something.

1574
00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:43,291
 I think that's

1575
00:27:43,291 --> 00:27:44,625
 that's why stress

1576
00:27:44,625 --> 00:27:46,916
 is such a major

1577
00:27:46,916 --> 00:27:47,541
 player in

1578
00:27:47,541 --> 00:27:48,041
 people's

1579
00:27:48,041 --> 00:27:48,833
 lives today.

1580
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:50,500
 Hi, I know it

1581
00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:51,166
 definitely is.

1582
00:27:51,166 --> 00:27:51,708
 I'd love to sort

1583
00:27:51,708 --> 00:27:52,458
 of help wrap that

1584
00:27:52,458 --> 00:27:52,916
 up for the

1585
00:27:52,916 --> 00:27:53,125
 audience

1586
00:27:53,125 --> 00:27:53,875
 in a second.

1587
00:27:54,500 --> 00:27:55,375
 But do you think

1588
00:27:55,375 --> 00:27:56,250
 whether any

1589
00:27:56,250 --> 00:27:57,291
 stresses, I mean,

1590
00:27:57,291 --> 00:27:58,375
 you chatted about

1591
00:27:58,375 --> 00:27:58,875
 your arterial

1592
00:27:58,875 --> 00:27:59,333
 fibrillation

1593
00:27:59,333 --> 00:28:00,500
 earlier and your

1594
00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:01,125
 heart condition.

1595
00:28:02,791 --> 00:28:03,625
 Did that was

1596
00:28:03,625 --> 00:28:04,291
 acting genital

1597
00:28:04,291 --> 00:28:05,000
 under that sort

1598
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,083
 of first appear

1599
00:28:06,083 --> 00:28:07,833
 when you you said

1600
00:28:07,833 --> 00:28:09,166
 28 was when you

1601
00:28:09,166 --> 00:28:09,625
 first started

1602
00:28:09,625 --> 00:28:10,083
 experiencing

1603
00:28:10,083 --> 00:28:10,708
 symptoms?

1604
00:28:10,708 --> 00:28:11,166
 Is that correct?

1605
00:28:11,666 --> 00:28:12,416
 Well, I started

1606
00:28:12,416 --> 00:28:13,166
 experiencing.

1607
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:16,458
 It made it must

1608
00:28:16,458 --> 00:28:17,000
 have been

1609
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,833
 late 20s.

1610
00:28:19,083 --> 00:28:19,375
 Yeah, well,

1611
00:28:19,375 --> 00:28:20,250
 yeah, 2728.

1612
00:28:20,625 --> 00:28:20,875
 Okay.

1613
00:28:22,375 --> 00:28:23,416
 I used to work

1614
00:28:23,416 --> 00:28:23,916
 out a lot.

1615
00:28:25,333 --> 00:28:26,291
 And I used to

1616
00:28:26,291 --> 00:28:26,833
 work hard.

1617
00:28:27,708 --> 00:28:28,208
 So I used to a

1618
00:28:28,208 --> 00:28:28,958
 lot of hours in the

1619
00:28:28,958 --> 00:28:29,583
 corporate world.

1620
00:28:31,375 --> 00:28:32,083
 I used to go to

1621
00:28:32,083 --> 00:28:32,958
 the gym five, six

1622
00:28:32,958 --> 00:28:33,500
 days a week,

1623
00:28:34,041 --> 00:28:35,166
 working hard and

1624
00:28:35,166 --> 00:28:36,375
 I wasn't really

1625
00:28:36,375 --> 00:28:37,208
 ever a big

1626
00:28:37,208 --> 00:28:37,875
 drinker.

1627
00:28:39,541 --> 00:28:41,000
 But we had a

1628
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,291
 newborn, I must

1629
00:28:42,291 --> 00:28:43,041
 be 26 when

1630
00:28:43,041 --> 00:28:43,750
 Brandon was born.

1631
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:44,416
 So it was like,

1632
00:28:45,041 --> 00:28:46,416
 you know, I was a

1633
00:28:46,416 --> 00:28:47,500
 newish

1634
00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:49,500
 relationship at a

1635
00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:50,375
 bought a new

1636
00:28:50,375 --> 00:28:51,708
 house, a

1637
00:28:51,708 --> 00:28:52,291
 new baby.

1638
00:28:54,291 --> 00:28:54,708
 And I was

1639
00:28:54,708 --> 00:28:55,208
 definitely a lot

1640
00:28:55,208 --> 00:28:56,375
 of things going

1641
00:28:56,375 --> 00:28:57,125
 on in my life.

1642
00:28:57,791 --> 00:28:58,666
 But the heart

1643
00:28:58,666 --> 00:28:59,541
 condition is

1644
00:28:59,541 --> 00:29:00,166
 something that

1645
00:29:00,166 --> 00:29:01,125
 people have when

1646
00:29:01,125 --> 00:29:01,458
 they're not

1647
00:29:01,458 --> 00:29:01,916
 stressed.

1648
00:29:01,916 --> 00:29:02,291
 So I'm not sure

1649
00:29:02,291 --> 00:29:02,458
 it was

1650
00:29:02,458 --> 00:29:03,291
 caused by that.

1651
00:29:04,041 --> 00:29:05,333
 But what

1652
00:29:05,333 --> 00:29:06,458
 it did do,

1653
00:29:06,458 --> 00:29:07,625
 of course, yeah,

1654
00:29:07,875 --> 00:29:08,333
 did just

1655
00:29:08,333 --> 00:29:08,750
 exacerbated.

1656
00:29:09,083 --> 00:29:09,708
 I'm sure it was

1657
00:29:09,708 --> 00:29:10,708
 hugely a

1658
00:29:10,708 --> 00:29:11,666
 congenital issue.

1659
00:29:11,958 --> 00:29:12,875
 But yeah, yeah,

1660
00:29:12,875 --> 00:29:13,375
 hugely

1661
00:29:13,375 --> 00:29:14,583
 exasperated it.

1662
00:29:15,208 --> 00:29:16,416
 I remember being

1663
00:29:16,416 --> 00:29:17,500
 in periods where

1664
00:29:17,500 --> 00:29:19,500
 obviously until

1665
00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:20,708
 I, till I really

1666
00:29:20,708 --> 00:29:21,250
 understood what

1667
00:29:21,250 --> 00:29:21,750
 was happening.

1668
00:29:22,791 --> 00:29:24,125
 All I know is

1669
00:29:24,125 --> 00:29:24,458
 that I

1670
00:29:24,458 --> 00:29:25,291
 would be there.

1671
00:29:25,291 --> 00:29:27,166
 I'd feel dizzy.

1672
00:29:27,166 --> 00:29:27,791
 Yeah.

1673
00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:30,291
 And I would be

1674
00:29:30,291 --> 00:29:31,166
 like kind of

1675
00:29:31,166 --> 00:29:31,833
 burping a lot

1676
00:29:31,833 --> 00:29:32,250
 because there'd

1677
00:29:32,250 --> 00:29:32,958
 be a lot going on

1678
00:29:32,958 --> 00:29:34,375
 in in my chest.

1679
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,958
 And it was trying

1680
00:29:37,958 --> 00:29:38,791
 to operate still

1681
00:29:38,875 --> 00:29:39,458
 because I didn't

1682
00:29:39,458 --> 00:29:40,791
 know what it was.

1683
00:29:40,791 --> 00:29:41,250
 So I'd be trying

1684
00:29:41,250 --> 00:29:41,791
 to operate

1685
00:29:41,791 --> 00:29:43,000
 as I would.

1686
00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:43,958
 And I remember

1687
00:29:43,958 --> 00:29:45,125
 times, you

1688
00:29:45,125 --> 00:29:46,416
 know, where,

1689
00:29:47,666 --> 00:29:49,083
 well, two times

1690
00:29:49,083 --> 00:29:49,625
 when I remember

1691
00:29:49,625 --> 00:29:50,500
 when Brandon was

1692
00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:51,250
 playing me up,

1693
00:29:51,625 --> 00:29:52,583
 I'd say to him,

1694
00:29:52,583 --> 00:29:53,125
 look, you've made

1695
00:29:53,125 --> 00:29:54,333
 my heart go now.

1696
00:29:55,583 --> 00:29:55,958
 Because the

1697
00:29:55,958 --> 00:29:56,916
 anxiety of

1698
00:29:56,916 --> 00:29:58,833
 thinking it was

1699
00:29:58,833 --> 00:29:59,458
 going to happen.

1700
00:29:59,458 --> 00:30:00,333
 And then it

1701
00:30:00,333 --> 00:30:00,708
 happened.

1702
00:30:00,708 --> 00:30:01,208
 And I got to the

1703
00:30:01,208 --> 00:30:02,083
 point Rob where

1704
00:30:02,083 --> 00:30:04,208
 if I stood up too

1705
00:30:04,208 --> 00:30:04,791
 fast, my heart

1706
00:30:04,791 --> 00:30:05,250
 would race.

1707
00:30:06,291 --> 00:30:06,708
 Now, at this

1708
00:30:06,708 --> 00:30:07,125
 time, I didn't

1709
00:30:07,125 --> 00:30:07,583
 realise he was

1710
00:30:07,583 --> 00:30:07,833
 racing

1711
00:30:07,833 --> 00:30:09,125
 200, 200, 250.

1712
00:30:10,166 --> 00:30:11,250
 All I know is I'd

1713
00:30:11,250 --> 00:30:11,875
 stand up and I'd

1714
00:30:11,875 --> 00:30:13,500
 be like, and then

1715
00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:14,541
 like, Brandon

1716
00:30:14,541 --> 00:30:15,041
 would ask me to

1717
00:30:15,041 --> 00:30:15,500
 play with him

1718
00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:16,375
 every night.

1719
00:30:16,708 --> 00:30:17,083
 Obviously, this

1720
00:30:17,083 --> 00:30:17,333
 went on

1721
00:30:17,333 --> 00:30:17,791
 for years.

1722
00:30:18,208 --> 00:30:18,708
 So this is where

1723
00:30:18,708 --> 00:30:19,500
 I had my probably

1724
00:30:19,500 --> 00:30:20,458
 one of my darkest

1725
00:30:20,458 --> 00:30:21,125
 depressions

1726
00:30:21,125 --> 00:30:23,208
 because I got to

1727
00:30:23,208 --> 00:30:23,708
 a point in my

1728
00:30:23,708 --> 00:30:26,375
 life where I got

1729
00:30:26,375 --> 00:30:27,291
 to 17 stolen

1730
00:30:27,291 --> 00:30:27,750
 weights.

1731
00:30:28,375 --> 00:30:30,083
 And I could not

1732
00:30:30,083 --> 00:30:32,333
 run four or five

1733
00:30:32,333 --> 00:30:32,958
 meters at my

1734
00:30:32,958 --> 00:30:33,375
 heart going.

1735
00:30:34,166 --> 00:30:34,500
 I was on

1736
00:30:34,500 --> 00:30:35,791
 medication, I had

1737
00:30:35,791 --> 00:30:36,250
 an operation.

1738
00:30:37,375 --> 00:30:38,125
 But it was still

1739
00:30:38,125 --> 00:30:38,666
 not right.

1740
00:30:39,041 --> 00:30:40,750
 So I literally

1741
00:30:40,750 --> 00:30:42,125
 used to get

1742
00:30:42,125 --> 00:30:42,791
 anxious about

1743
00:30:42,791 --> 00:30:43,583
 doing something.

1744
00:30:44,958 --> 00:30:45,750
 And then I would

1745
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:46,708
 have this problem

1746
00:30:46,708 --> 00:30:47,041
 with my

1747
00:30:47,041 --> 00:30:47,625
 heart racing.

1748
00:30:49,958 --> 00:30:51,208
 So yeah, it's

1749
00:30:51,208 --> 00:30:51,541
 definitely

1750
00:30:51,541 --> 00:30:52,291
 exasperated.

1751
00:30:52,291 --> 00:30:52,666
 Everything went

1752
00:30:52,666 --> 00:30:53,958
 on in life was

1753
00:30:53,958 --> 00:30:54,333
 definitely

1754
00:30:54,333 --> 00:30:55,083
 exasperated

1755
00:30:55,083 --> 00:30:56,791
 because that

1756
00:30:56,791 --> 00:30:57,541
 moment of stress

1757
00:30:57,541 --> 00:30:57,958
 would get

1758
00:30:57,958 --> 00:30:58,500
 it to go.

1759
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,666
 And then I'd be

1760
00:31:00,666 --> 00:31:01,333
 living in this

1761
00:31:01,666 --> 00:31:03,666
 this period of

1762
00:31:03,666 --> 00:31:04,500
 time down where

1763
00:31:04,500 --> 00:31:05,958
 it was really,

1764
00:31:05,958 --> 00:31:06,250
 really

1765
00:31:06,250 --> 00:31:07,041
 hard, you know.

1766
00:31:07,625 --> 00:31:08,916
 I'm sorry, this

1767
00:31:08,916 --> 00:31:09,500
 is where I sort

1768
00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:09,916
 of started

1769
00:31:09,916 --> 00:31:10,791
 a bit nerdy.

1770
00:31:10,791 --> 00:31:11,958
 Did you by ever

1771
00:31:11,958 --> 00:31:12,250
 sort of

1772
00:31:12,250 --> 00:31:13,000
 experienced any

1773
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:13,458
 sort of what's

1774
00:31:13,458 --> 00:31:13,583
 called

1775
00:31:13,583 --> 00:31:14,166
 orthostatic

1776
00:31:14,166 --> 00:31:15,041
 hypertension sort

1777
00:31:15,041 --> 00:31:15,875
 of get up and

1778
00:31:15,875 --> 00:31:16,583
 sort of sit down?

1779
00:31:16,583 --> 00:31:17,000
 Did you get

1780
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:17,625
 disease spells

1781
00:31:17,625 --> 00:31:18,541
 lightheaded or

1782
00:31:18,541 --> 00:31:18,833
 anything

1783
00:31:18,833 --> 00:31:19,416
 like that?

1784
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:20,208
 All the time.

1785
00:31:20,708 --> 00:31:21,833
 Does it

1786
00:31:21,833 --> 00:31:22,375
 still happen?

1787
00:31:22,958 --> 00:31:23,500
 It doesn't now.

1788
00:31:23,500 --> 00:31:24,333
 No, it doesn't.

1789
00:31:24,333 --> 00:31:24,666
 They've managed

1790
00:31:24,666 --> 00:31:26,291
 to get my

1791
00:31:26,291 --> 00:31:27,166
 medication right.

1792
00:31:27,791 --> 00:31:28,958
 So I've been back

1793
00:31:28,958 --> 00:31:29,791
 in the gym for

1794
00:31:29,791 --> 00:31:31,375
 almost two

1795
00:31:31,375 --> 00:31:32,041
 years now.

1796
00:31:33,541 --> 00:31:34,416
 But, you know,

1797
00:31:34,416 --> 00:31:35,500
 that's from so

1798
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:36,041
 I've gone back in

1799
00:31:36,041 --> 00:31:37,041
 the gym at the

1800
00:31:37,041 --> 00:31:37,833
 age of 44.

1801
00:31:38,375 --> 00:31:39,666
 But I hadn't been

1802
00:31:39,666 --> 00:31:40,208
 in the gym since

1803
00:31:40,208 --> 00:31:42,083
 the age of 27.

1804
00:31:42,583 --> 00:31:42,875
 So it was a

1805
00:31:42,875 --> 00:31:43,583
 long time.

1806
00:31:45,083 --> 00:31:45,708
 And in that

1807
00:31:45,708 --> 00:31:46,333
 period of time, I

1808
00:31:46,333 --> 00:31:46,625
 always

1809
00:31:46,625 --> 00:31:47,416
 experienced it.

1810
00:31:47,416 --> 00:31:47,833
 I remember being

1811
00:31:47,833 --> 00:31:48,541
 in the showroom

1812
00:31:48,541 --> 00:31:49,416
 when I was

1813
00:31:49,416 --> 00:31:50,000
 selling vehicles

1814
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,166
 to in Land Rover.

1815
00:31:52,083 --> 00:31:52,708
 Many years ago,

1816
00:31:52,958 --> 00:31:53,291
 and people would

1817
00:31:53,291 --> 00:31:54,125
 be talking to me

1818
00:31:54,125 --> 00:31:54,666
 and I'd be

1819
00:31:54,666 --> 00:31:55,583
 talking to them

1820
00:31:55,583 --> 00:31:57,041
 knowing I'm about

1821
00:31:57,041 --> 00:31:57,458
 to faint.

1822
00:31:58,458 --> 00:31:58,875
 I just I

1823
00:31:58,875 --> 00:31:59,291
 don't know.

1824
00:31:59,291 --> 00:32:00,083
 I've always had

1825
00:32:00,083 --> 00:32:00,625
 this resilience

1826
00:32:00,625 --> 00:32:02,000
 where I know some

1827
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,125
 people cleverly

1828
00:32:03,125 --> 00:32:03,500
 would probably

1829
00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:04,166
 go, sorry, I'm

1830
00:32:04,166 --> 00:32:04,291
 not

1831
00:32:04,291 --> 00:32:04,916
 feeling too good.

1832
00:32:04,916 --> 00:32:05,041
 I want to

1833
00:32:05,041 --> 00:32:05,500
 go home.

1834
00:32:06,583 --> 00:32:06,958
 Where I would

1835
00:32:06,958 --> 00:32:07,708
 just stay there.

1836
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:08,500
 I would just

1837
00:32:08,500 --> 00:32:09,250
 breathe through

1838
00:32:09,250 --> 00:32:09,958
 it and try and

1839
00:32:09,958 --> 00:32:10,416
 get through it

1840
00:32:10,416 --> 00:32:11,000
 all the time.

1841
00:32:11,833 --> 00:32:13,041
 And one thing I

1842
00:32:13,041 --> 00:32:13,500
 could do really

1843
00:32:13,500 --> 00:32:14,583
 was take long

1844
00:32:14,583 --> 00:32:15,250
 deep breaths in

1845
00:32:15,250 --> 00:32:15,791
 through the nose

1846
00:32:15,791 --> 00:32:17,125
 and then slow the

1847
00:32:17,125 --> 00:32:17,500
 breath out

1848
00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:17,958
 through the mouth

1849
00:32:17,958 --> 00:32:18,708
 to try and slow

1850
00:32:18,708 --> 00:32:19,166
 it down.

1851
00:32:20,166 --> 00:32:23,333
 So, yeah, I

1852
00:32:23,333 --> 00:32:23,750
 experienced

1853
00:32:23,750 --> 00:32:24,333
 that a lot.

1854
00:32:25,208 --> 00:32:25,833
 Yeah, it's called

1855
00:32:25,833 --> 00:32:26,583
 vagus syncope,

1856
00:32:26,916 --> 00:32:27,958
 that feeling of

1857
00:32:27,958 --> 00:32:28,750
 wanting to faint.

1858
00:32:29,166 --> 00:32:29,500
 And there's

1859
00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:30,791
 definitely some

1860
00:32:30,791 --> 00:32:31,458
 literature there

1861
00:32:31,458 --> 00:32:32,083
 that suggests

1862
00:32:32,083 --> 00:32:33,291
 that thiamine

1863
00:32:33,291 --> 00:32:35,875
 might affect the

1864
00:32:35,875 --> 00:32:36,625
 vagus nerve, the

1865
00:32:36,625 --> 00:32:37,250
 connection to the

1866
00:32:37,250 --> 00:32:38,583
 heart and that

1867
00:32:38,583 --> 00:32:39,375
 those what's

1868
00:32:39,375 --> 00:32:40,208
 called, again,

1869
00:32:40,541 --> 00:32:41,166
 that authors that have tension.

1870
00:32:41,208 --> 00:32:42,500
 So when you stand

1871
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:43,333
 up, you sit down,

1872
00:32:43,333 --> 00:32:43,750
 you feel like

1873
00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:44,000
 you're

1874
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:44,375
 going to faint.

1875
00:32:44,750 --> 00:32:45,666
 So we'll have to

1876
00:32:45,666 --> 00:32:46,750
 send you some and

1877
00:32:46,750 --> 00:32:48,291
 see if it helps.

1878
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:49,291
 But yeah,

1879
00:32:50,583 --> 00:32:51,125
 anyway, again,

1880
00:32:51,416 --> 00:32:52,333
 sorry, off topic

1881
00:32:52,333 --> 00:32:53,125
 completely.

1882
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:58,125
 I think if I was

1883
00:32:58,125 --> 00:32:58,875
 to just summarize

1884
00:32:58,875 --> 00:32:59,875
 that for the

1885
00:32:59,875 --> 00:33:00,500
 audience and your

1886
00:33:00,500 --> 00:33:00,916
 answer was

1887
00:33:00,916 --> 00:33:01,416
 perfect,

1888
00:33:01,416 --> 00:33:01,875
 by the way,

1889
00:33:02,958 --> 00:33:03,500
 the way I

1890
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:04,291
 understand it is

1891
00:33:04,291 --> 00:33:05,083
 that when an

1892
00:33:05,083 --> 00:33:05,875
 individual sort

1893
00:33:05,875 --> 00:33:06,416
 of experiences

1894
00:33:06,416 --> 00:33:07,166
 chronic stress,

1895
00:33:08,166 --> 00:33:09,041
 they get, as you

1896
00:33:09,041 --> 00:33:09,666
 alluded to an

1897
00:33:09,666 --> 00:33:10,250
 increase in these

1898
00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:11,208
 certain various

1899
00:33:11,208 --> 00:33:12,291
 hormones, things

1900
00:33:12,291 --> 00:33:12,958
 like cortisol,

1901
00:33:13,666 --> 00:33:15,583
 glucagon, all of

1902
00:33:15,583 --> 00:33:17,500
 which, as well as

1903
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:18,666
 catecholamines,

1904
00:33:18,875 --> 00:33:19,583
 again, these sort

1905
00:33:19,583 --> 00:33:20,291
 of paracene

1906
00:33:20,291 --> 00:33:20,666
 derived

1907
00:33:20,666 --> 00:33:21,500
 neurotransmitters

1908
00:33:21,500 --> 00:33:21,916
 that you were

1909
00:33:21,916 --> 00:33:22,500
 talking about

1910
00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:23,333
 things like

1911
00:33:23,333 --> 00:33:24,083
 adrenaline and

1912
00:33:24,083 --> 00:33:24,791
 nordrin and

1913
00:33:24,791 --> 00:33:26,041
 epinephrine for

1914
00:33:26,041 --> 00:33:27,500
 anyone listening

1915
00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:28,166
 for America.

1916
00:33:29,166 --> 00:33:30,208
 And in the short

1917
00:33:30,208 --> 00:33:31,708
 term, those those

1918
00:33:31,708 --> 00:33:32,500
 are required.

1919
00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:33,291
 Those are

1920
00:33:33,291 --> 00:33:34,250
 hormones and

1921
00:33:34,250 --> 00:33:34,916
 neurochemicals

1922
00:33:34,916 --> 00:33:35,500
 that help the

1923
00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:36,416
 body to sort of

1924
00:33:36,416 --> 00:33:38,000
 survive in acute

1925
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,250
 sort of settings

1926
00:33:39,250 --> 00:33:40,458
 and circumstances

1927
00:33:40,458 --> 00:33:41,750
 if you're well,

1928
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:42,208
 we're not running

1929
00:33:42,208 --> 00:33:42,958
 away from targets

1930
00:33:42,958 --> 00:33:43,166
 anymore.

1931
00:33:43,208 --> 00:33:44,500
 But if you have

1932
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:45,208
 that desperate

1933
00:33:45,208 --> 00:33:46,125
 need to sort of

1934
00:33:46,125 --> 00:33:47,041
 get away from

1935
00:33:47,041 --> 00:33:48,458
 something,

1936
00:33:48,458 --> 00:33:49,250
 whatever it is,

1937
00:33:50,041 --> 00:33:50,875
 it provides that

1938
00:33:50,875 --> 00:33:52,541
 instant surge of

1939
00:33:52,541 --> 00:33:53,000
 energy and

1940
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:53,416
 release of

1941
00:33:53,416 --> 00:33:53,916
 glucose,

1942
00:33:54,958 --> 00:33:55,416
 release of

1943
00:33:55,416 --> 00:33:56,166
 dopamine to act

1944
00:33:56,166 --> 00:33:56,666
 quickly.

1945
00:33:56,958 --> 00:33:57,416
 But as you

1946
00:33:57,416 --> 00:33:58,000
 alluded to,

1947
00:33:59,083 --> 00:33:59,750
 when it becomes

1948
00:33:59,750 --> 00:34:01,083
 chronic, these

1949
00:34:01,083 --> 00:34:01,791
 stress hormones,

1950
00:34:02,250 --> 00:34:02,875
 they start to

1951
00:34:02,875 --> 00:34:04,208
 drive, they start

1952
00:34:04,208 --> 00:34:04,833
 to negatively

1953
00:34:04,833 --> 00:34:05,875
 interfere with

1954
00:34:05,875 --> 00:34:06,583
 the immune system

1955
00:34:06,583 --> 00:34:07,458
 and you cause an

1956
00:34:07,458 --> 00:34:07,916
 increase in

1957
00:34:07,916 --> 00:34:08,166
 inflammation.

1958
00:34:09,166 --> 00:34:10,250
 So I'd like to

1959
00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:10,958
 say going to

1960
00:34:10,958 --> 00:34:11,666
 talking about

1961
00:34:11,666 --> 00:34:12,958
 meditation and

1962
00:34:12,958 --> 00:34:13,500
 how it can be

1963
00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:14,333
 used to help

1964
00:34:14,333 --> 00:34:15,458
 start mitigating

1965
00:34:15,458 --> 00:34:17,791
 stress and how it

1966
00:34:17,791 --> 00:34:18,625
 can be a really

1967
00:34:18,625 --> 00:34:21,375
 effective tool in

1968
00:34:21,375 --> 00:34:22,250
 helping to

1969
00:34:22,250 --> 00:34:23,291
 improve the

1970
00:34:23,291 --> 00:34:24,375
 symptoms that

1971
00:34:24,375 --> 00:34:26,000
 someone is likely

1972
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:26,708
 struggling with

1973
00:34:26,708 --> 00:34:27,291
 when they're

1974
00:34:27,291 --> 00:34:28,166
 under a high load of stress.

1975
00:34:28,166 --> 00:34:29,875
 But first, would

1976
00:34:29,875 --> 00:34:30,583
 you mind sort of

1977
00:34:30,583 --> 00:34:31,208
 breaking down

1978
00:34:31,208 --> 00:34:31,458
 what

1979
00:34:31,458 --> 00:34:32,375
 meditation is?

1980
00:34:32,375 --> 00:34:33,208
 Because I think a

1981
00:34:33,208 --> 00:34:34,000
 lot of people

1982
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:34,708
 still sort of

1983
00:34:34,708 --> 00:34:35,583
 just purely

1984
00:34:35,583 --> 00:34:36,250
 associate

1985
00:34:36,250 --> 00:34:37,125
 meditation with

1986
00:34:37,125 --> 00:34:38,500
 sort of sitting

1987
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:39,625
 cross-legged in

1988
00:34:39,625 --> 00:34:40,166
 the sort of the

1989
00:34:40,166 --> 00:34:40,958
 lotus position

1990
00:34:40,958 --> 00:34:41,583
 with your fingers

1991
00:34:41,583 --> 00:34:42,708
 pursed together

1992
00:34:42,708 --> 00:34:43,833
 like this and

1993
00:34:43,833 --> 00:34:46,125
 coming or box

1994
00:34:46,125 --> 00:34:46,416
 breathing.

1995
00:34:46,666 --> 00:34:47,375
 And there's

1996
00:34:47,375 --> 00:34:48,125
 obviously a lot

1997
00:34:48,125 --> 00:34:48,750
 more to it

1998
00:34:48,750 --> 00:34:49,166
 than that.

1999
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:50,500
 But yeah,

2000
00:34:51,666 --> 00:34:53,541
 so I suppose you

2001
00:34:53,541 --> 00:34:54,250
 got mindfulness

2002
00:34:54,250 --> 00:34:54,875
 and meditation.

2003
00:34:56,166 --> 00:34:58,041
 You know, people

2004
00:34:58,041 --> 00:34:58,958
 ask, you know,

2005
00:34:59,875 --> 00:35:00,166
 are they the

2006
00:35:00,166 --> 00:35:01,000
 same thing?

2007
00:35:02,500 --> 00:35:04,458
 Meditation is the

2008
00:35:04,458 --> 00:35:04,833
 practice.

2009
00:35:05,833 --> 00:35:06,666
 Yeah, really.

2010
00:35:07,250 --> 00:35:07,958
 Meditation is the

2011
00:35:07,958 --> 00:35:08,666
 practice that we

2012
00:35:08,666 --> 00:35:12,708
 take in being

2013
00:35:12,708 --> 00:35:13,166
 mindful.

2014
00:35:14,166 --> 00:35:14,958
 So it's

2015
00:35:14,958 --> 00:35:17,041
 practicing being

2016
00:35:17,041 --> 00:35:19,208
 present and it

2017
00:35:19,208 --> 00:35:19,833
 doesn't have to

2018
00:35:19,833 --> 00:35:21,791
 be done.

2019
00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:23,166
 Sat on a cushion

2020
00:35:23,166 --> 00:35:24,500
 in the corner.

2021
00:35:25,791 --> 00:35:26,916
 It can be

2022
00:35:26,916 --> 00:35:27,541
 integrated into

2023
00:35:27,541 --> 00:35:28,166
 everyday life.

2024
00:35:29,166 --> 00:35:29,500
 You know,

2025
00:35:29,708 --> 00:35:30,333
 just by,

2026
00:35:31,666 --> 00:35:32,416
 for instance,

2027
00:35:33,416 --> 00:35:34,000
 you know, you

2028
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:34,583
 could be in work,

2029
00:35:35,166 --> 00:35:36,166
 you could be sat

2030
00:35:36,166 --> 00:35:36,625
 there, you could

2031
00:35:36,625 --> 00:35:37,250
 be focusing on

2032
00:35:37,250 --> 00:35:37,708
 something

2033
00:35:37,708 --> 00:35:38,458
 on your desk.

2034
00:35:39,333 --> 00:35:39,541
 Yeah.

2035
00:35:40,041 --> 00:35:41,125
 You could set

2036
00:35:41,125 --> 00:35:43,583
 yourself in your

2037
00:35:43,583 --> 00:35:44,166
 chair wherever

2038
00:35:44,166 --> 00:35:45,166
 you are, feel the

2039
00:35:45,166 --> 00:35:45,791
 ground under your

2040
00:35:45,791 --> 00:35:46,583
 feet, feel the

2041
00:35:46,583 --> 00:35:47,041
 chair on your

2042
00:35:47,041 --> 00:35:48,875
 back and you

2043
00:35:48,875 --> 00:35:49,375
 could just focus

2044
00:35:49,375 --> 00:35:50,625
 on an object and

2045
00:35:50,625 --> 00:35:51,791
 really start

2046
00:35:51,791 --> 00:35:52,291
 focusing on

2047
00:35:52,291 --> 00:35:52,583
 your breath.

2048
00:35:53,625 --> 00:35:54,000
 Feel the breath

2049
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:54,583
 come in and out

2050
00:35:54,583 --> 00:35:55,291
 of your nose and

2051
00:35:55,291 --> 00:35:55,875
 out of your mouth

2052
00:35:55,875 --> 00:35:57,041
 and you could

2053
00:35:57,041 --> 00:35:57,791
 take yourself to

2054
00:35:57,791 --> 00:35:58,083
 a present

2055
00:35:58,083 --> 00:35:58,791
 moment there.

2056
00:35:59,625 --> 00:36:01,000
 It could be done

2057
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:01,791
 even when you're

2058
00:36:01,791 --> 00:36:02,125
 walking.

2059
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:03,708
 You know, I do a

2060
00:36:03,708 --> 00:36:04,791
 lot of my

2061
00:36:04,791 --> 00:36:05,166
 meditation

2062
00:36:05,166 --> 00:36:07,458
 practices through

2063
00:36:07,458 --> 00:36:08,083
 the day as well

2064
00:36:08,083 --> 00:36:08,875
 as it is might be

2065
00:36:08,875 --> 00:36:09,375
 in the morning or

2066
00:36:09,375 --> 00:36:10,708
 evening because

2067
00:36:10,708 --> 00:36:12,541
 I'm in a position

2068
00:36:12,541 --> 00:36:13,208
 where I know I

2069
00:36:13,208 --> 00:36:15,500
 can meditate,

2070
00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:16,250
 which my practice

2071
00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:17,541
 and in my

2072
00:36:17,541 --> 00:36:18,375
 practice I become

2073
00:36:18,375 --> 00:36:19,500
 mindful and in my

2074
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:20,083
 mindfulness I

2075
00:36:20,083 --> 00:36:20,583
 become aware.

2076
00:36:21,208 --> 00:36:22,125
 And that

2077
00:36:22,125 --> 00:36:22,875
 awareness then

2078
00:36:22,875 --> 00:36:25,916
 allows me to see

2079
00:36:25,916 --> 00:36:26,875
 my thoughts and

2080
00:36:26,875 --> 00:36:27,166
 try and

2081
00:36:27,166 --> 00:36:28,000
 understand my

2082
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:28,958
 body and where

2083
00:36:28,958 --> 00:36:30,375
 they're going,

2084
00:36:30,375 --> 00:36:30,708
 where it's

2085
00:36:30,708 --> 00:36:33,000
 leading me to be

2086
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:33,541
 able to frame

2087
00:36:33,541 --> 00:36:35,458
 certain things

2088
00:36:35,458 --> 00:36:35,583
 that are

2089
00:36:35,583 --> 00:36:36,000
 happening in my

2090
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:36,958
 life to stop

2091
00:36:36,958 --> 00:36:37,583
 myself getting

2092
00:36:37,583 --> 00:36:38,708
 into a stressful

2093
00:36:38,708 --> 00:36:40,083
 situation and

2094
00:36:40,083 --> 00:36:40,500
 using that

2095
00:36:40,500 --> 00:36:40,750
 awareness.

2096
00:36:41,416 --> 00:36:42,333
 So for me,

2097
00:36:42,750 --> 00:36:43,500
 meditation really

2098
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:46,000
 is the practice

2099
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,666
 that we do in,

2100
00:36:48,500 --> 00:36:49,833
 you know, taking

2101
00:36:49,833 --> 00:36:50,416
 ourselves to the

2102
00:36:50,416 --> 00:36:51,000
 present moment.

2103
00:36:52,500 --> 00:36:53,250
 And that's sort

2104
00:36:53,250 --> 00:36:53,833
 of where

2105
00:36:53,833 --> 00:36:54,708
 mindfulness comes

2106
00:36:54,708 --> 00:36:55,375
 into the picture.

2107
00:36:55,625 --> 00:36:56,458
 Is that correct?

2108
00:36:56,458 --> 00:36:56,791
 Obviously

2109
00:36:56,791 --> 00:36:57,583
 mindfulness is a

2110
00:36:57,583 --> 00:36:58,250
 form of

2111
00:36:58,250 --> 00:36:58,791
 meditation.

2112
00:36:59,541 --> 00:37:00,458
 How does it sort

2113
00:37:00,458 --> 00:37:01,500
 of maybe differ

2114
00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:02,416
 from other types

2115
00:37:02,416 --> 00:37:02,916
 of meditation

2116
00:37:02,916 --> 00:37:03,625
 specifically?

2117
00:37:04,208 --> 00:37:06,375
 The way I see it,

2118
00:37:06,375 --> 00:37:07,041
 it's about trying

2119
00:37:07,041 --> 00:37:08,666
 to keep your mind

2120
00:37:08,666 --> 00:37:09,583
 centered on

2121
00:37:09,583 --> 00:37:10,166
 the moment.

2122
00:37:12,083 --> 00:37:12,625
 And like you

2123
00:37:12,625 --> 00:37:13,125
 alluded to

2124
00:37:13,125 --> 00:37:13,791
 earlier, you can

2125
00:37:13,791 --> 00:37:15,625
 sort of really

2126
00:37:15,625 --> 00:37:16,541
 meditate

2127
00:37:16,541 --> 00:37:16,916
 anywhere.

2128
00:37:17,333 --> 00:37:18,333
 And I personally

2129
00:37:18,333 --> 00:37:19,750
 find that for me,

2130
00:37:20,625 --> 00:37:21,000
 unless it's

2131
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,208
 guided, walking

2132
00:37:22,208 --> 00:37:23,583
 meditations are

2133
00:37:23,583 --> 00:37:24,125
 effective.

2134
00:37:25,333 --> 00:37:25,791
 Could you sort of

2135
00:37:25,791 --> 00:37:26,500
 speak to

2136
00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:27,833
 mindfulness maybe

2137
00:37:27,833 --> 00:37:28,500
 a little more

2138
00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:28,916
 specifically?

2139
00:37:29,166 --> 00:37:30,333
 I could.

2140
00:37:30,583 --> 00:37:33,458
 So when you put

2141
00:37:33,458 --> 00:37:35,458
 yourself into a

2142
00:37:35,458 --> 00:37:37,541
 position of

2143
00:37:37,541 --> 00:37:38,916
 mindfulness, so

2144
00:37:38,916 --> 00:37:40,416
 when you become,

2145
00:37:40,750 --> 00:37:41,666
 when you practice

2146
00:37:41,666 --> 00:37:42,166
 it and become

2147
00:37:42,166 --> 00:37:42,791
 more aware,

2148
00:37:43,916 --> 00:37:44,958
 then it actually

2149
00:37:44,958 --> 00:37:46,791
 produces better

2150
00:37:46,791 --> 00:37:47,875
 brain chemistry

2151
00:37:47,875 --> 00:37:49,166
 as well.

2152
00:37:50,166 --> 00:37:51,208
 And the parts of

2153
00:37:51,208 --> 00:37:51,875
 the brain that it

2154
00:37:51,875 --> 00:37:53,416
 improves are

2155
00:37:53,416 --> 00:37:54,875
 happiness,

2156
00:37:55,958 --> 00:37:56,250
 peace.

2157
00:37:58,250 --> 00:37:58,583
 And in

2158
00:37:58,583 --> 00:37:59,791
 that, it's,

2159
00:38:00,875 --> 00:38:02,708
 so the amygdala

2160
00:38:02,708 --> 00:38:03,833
 in the brain

2161
00:38:03,833 --> 00:38:06,750
 becomes very

2162
00:38:06,750 --> 00:38:07,500
 reactive and

2163
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:08,000
 stressful

2164
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:08,625
 situation.

2165
00:38:09,458 --> 00:38:09,958
 And what it does

2166
00:38:09,958 --> 00:38:10,500
 with mindfulness

2167
00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:11,000
 and becoming

2168
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:11,791
 aware, it tends

2169
00:38:11,791 --> 00:38:12,583
 to stop that from

2170
00:38:12,583 --> 00:38:13,000
 becoming

2171
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:13,708
 overreactive.

2172
00:38:13,708 --> 00:38:14,708
 Yeah.

2173
00:38:15,166 --> 00:38:15,916
 Which allows you

2174
00:38:15,916 --> 00:38:19,250
 to stay in a more

2175
00:38:19,250 --> 00:38:20,875
 peaceful state

2176
00:38:20,875 --> 00:38:22,583
 more regularly.

2177
00:38:23,583 --> 00:38:24,000
 It's a bit of a

2178
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:24,333
 check, yeah.

2179
00:38:24,708 --> 00:38:25,041
 Yeah.

2180
00:38:25,041 --> 00:38:25,625
 So when we're in,

2181
00:38:26,333 --> 00:38:26,750
 you mentioned

2182
00:38:26,750 --> 00:38:27,291
 earlier,

2183
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:27,833
 obviously we're

2184
00:38:27,833 --> 00:38:28,041
 not going to

2185
00:38:28,041 --> 00:38:28,708
 chase by tigers

2186
00:38:28,708 --> 00:38:29,166
 anymore.

2187
00:38:29,166 --> 00:38:29,583
 Well, some people

2188
00:38:29,583 --> 00:38:30,166
 are still, I

2189
00:38:30,166 --> 00:38:31,375
 think, but, you

2190
00:38:31,375 --> 00:38:32,166
 know, not

2191
00:38:32,166 --> 00:38:32,875
 many of us.

2192
00:38:33,166 --> 00:38:33,375
 Yeah.

2193
00:38:33,833 --> 00:38:37,208
 And when we allow

2194
00:38:37,208 --> 00:38:38,958
 our thoughts to

2195
00:38:38,958 --> 00:38:41,208
 overtake reality,

2196
00:38:42,083 --> 00:38:43,041
 when we're

2197
00:38:43,041 --> 00:38:44,000
 worried about

2198
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,000
 what happened

2199
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,500
 yesterday, or

2200
00:38:46,500 --> 00:38:47,500
 we're worried

2201
00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:47,958
 about what's

2202
00:38:47,958 --> 00:38:48,333
 going to happen

2203
00:38:48,333 --> 00:38:49,958
 tomorrow, but

2204
00:38:49,958 --> 00:38:51,041
 those two things

2205
00:38:51,041 --> 00:38:51,708
 really don't

2206
00:38:51,708 --> 00:38:52,166
 exist anymore.

2207
00:38:53,166 --> 00:38:53,916
 The only thing that

2208
00:38:53,916 --> 00:38:54,833
 exists is now.

2209
00:38:54,833 --> 00:38:55,500
 And right now,

2210
00:38:56,041 --> 00:38:56,750
 you know, you

2211
00:38:56,750 --> 00:38:57,416
 could be in a

2212
00:38:57,416 --> 00:38:57,625
 really

2213
00:38:57,625 --> 00:38:58,416
 great state.

2214
00:38:59,041 --> 00:38:59,416
 When you have

2215
00:38:59,416 --> 00:38:59,916
 that awareness

2216
00:38:59,916 --> 00:39:00,583
 that you come

2217
00:39:00,583 --> 00:39:00,875
 through

2218
00:39:00,875 --> 00:39:01,625
 mindfulness to

2219
00:39:01,625 --> 00:39:02,250
 understand that

2220
00:39:02,250 --> 00:39:03,083
 actually I'm not

2221
00:39:03,083 --> 00:39:03,666
 in danger

2222
00:39:03,666 --> 00:39:04,250
 right now.

2223
00:39:04,750 --> 00:39:05,083
 There is

2224
00:39:05,083 --> 00:39:05,750
 no danger.

2225
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:06,166
 There's nothing

2226
00:39:06,166 --> 00:39:07,833
 attacking me that

2227
00:39:07,833 --> 00:39:09,291
 I am peaceful.

2228
00:39:09,291 --> 00:39:09,958
 I am happy.

2229
00:39:10,166 --> 00:39:11,666
 I am in a great

2230
00:39:11,666 --> 00:39:12,875
 place right now.

2231
00:39:12,875 --> 00:39:14,500
 That's where we

2232
00:39:14,500 --> 00:39:15,166
 can then build the habit.

2233
00:39:15,166 --> 00:39:17,000
 And when we build

2234
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:17,625
 a habit of

2235
00:39:17,625 --> 00:39:18,208
 understanding

2236
00:39:18,208 --> 00:39:19,958
 that, it gets

2237
00:39:19,958 --> 00:39:20,583
 stronger and

2238
00:39:20,583 --> 00:39:21,000
 stronger.

2239
00:39:21,875 --> 00:39:22,416
 And then we

2240
00:39:22,416 --> 00:39:23,125
 integrate it into

2241
00:39:23,125 --> 00:39:23,958
 our daily life.

2242
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:25,083
 And it's almost

2243
00:39:25,083 --> 00:39:26,166
 like the unseen

2244
00:39:26,166 --> 00:39:28,583
 helper, because

2245
00:39:28,583 --> 00:39:30,708
 all of a sudden

2246
00:39:30,708 --> 00:39:31,000
 you're getting

2247
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:31,500
 better at

2248
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:32,000
 something that

2249
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:32,250
 you don't

2250
00:39:32,250 --> 00:39:32,791
 actually notice

2251
00:39:32,791 --> 00:39:33,166
 you're getting better at.

2252
00:39:33,208 --> 00:39:34,541
 Because it's

2253
00:39:34,541 --> 00:39:35,083
 really hard to

2254
00:39:35,083 --> 00:39:35,583
 measure how many

2255
00:39:35,583 --> 00:39:36,166
 times I've been

2256
00:39:36,166 --> 00:39:36,875
 stressed today.

2257
00:39:37,666 --> 00:39:37,875
 Right.

2258
00:39:38,458 --> 00:39:39,625
 But mindfulness

2259
00:39:39,625 --> 00:39:41,500
 is the key

2260
00:39:41,500 --> 00:39:42,708
 really, to

2261
00:39:42,708 --> 00:39:43,333
 unlocking the

2262
00:39:43,333 --> 00:39:44,500
 door to happiness

2263
00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:46,166
 and peace, and

2264
00:39:46,166 --> 00:39:47,333
 coming away from

2265
00:39:47,333 --> 00:39:48,708
 the unreal

2266
00:39:48,708 --> 00:39:49,500
 thoughts, the

2267
00:39:49,500 --> 00:39:49,833
 negative

2268
00:39:49,833 --> 00:39:50,875
 thoughts, and

2269
00:39:50,875 --> 00:39:51,333
 living in the

2270
00:39:51,333 --> 00:39:51,791
 present moment.

2271
00:39:52,208 --> 00:39:54,208
 Okay, so if I

2272
00:39:54,208 --> 00:39:54,875
 understand this

2273
00:39:54,875 --> 00:39:56,583
 properly, and

2274
00:39:56,583 --> 00:39:57,375
 please correct me

2275
00:39:57,375 --> 00:39:57,750
 if I get it

2276
00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:58,166
 wrong, so probably well.

2277
00:39:59,166 --> 00:40:00,000
 What mindfulness

2278
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,041
 is doing is it's

2279
00:40:01,041 --> 00:40:01,666
 sort of helping

2280
00:40:01,666 --> 00:40:02,458
 to get you

2281
00:40:02,458 --> 00:40:03,500
 momentarily into

2282
00:40:03,500 --> 00:40:04,208
 a more sort of

2283
00:40:04,208 --> 00:40:05,000
 parasympathetic

2284
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:06,041
 or rest or digest

2285
00:40:06,041 --> 00:40:07,541
 state that then

2286
00:40:07,541 --> 00:40:10,375
 allows your mind,

2287
00:40:10,375 --> 00:40:11,083
 your body to sort

2288
00:40:11,083 --> 00:40:12,375
 of upregulate the

2289
00:40:12,375 --> 00:40:13,125
 sort of state in

2290
00:40:13,125 --> 00:40:14,041
 neuroplasticity

2291
00:40:14,041 --> 00:40:15,333
 to sort of

2292
00:40:15,333 --> 00:40:16,458
 increase your,

2293
00:40:16,666 --> 00:40:17,333
 not maybe not

2294
00:40:17,333 --> 00:40:18,000
 awareness, but

2295
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,000
 your ability to

2296
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,083
 learn, to take

2297
00:40:21,083 --> 00:40:22,875
 and to reinforce,

2298
00:40:23,541 --> 00:40:24,208
 to develop new

2299
00:40:24,208 --> 00:40:25,041
 habits that you

2300
00:40:25,041 --> 00:40:25,166
 can then

2301
00:40:26,166 --> 00:40:27,666
 utilize on a sort

2302
00:40:27,666 --> 00:40:28,958
 of a more sort of

2303
00:40:28,958 --> 00:40:30,041
 unconscious basis

2304
00:40:30,041 --> 00:40:30,750
 going throughout

2305
00:40:30,750 --> 00:40:31,208
 the day.

2306
00:40:32,041 --> 00:40:33,041
 Is that sort of

2307
00:40:33,041 --> 00:40:34,500
 ish a decent

2308
00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:35,375
 overview?

2309
00:40:36,083 --> 00:40:36,333
 Yeah, 100%.

2310
00:40:36,583 --> 00:40:38,083
 I think it's,

2311
00:40:38,083 --> 00:40:40,291
 there's so many

2312
00:40:40,291 --> 00:40:41,500
 areas of our, we

2313
00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:41,791
 talked about

2314
00:40:41,791 --> 00:40:42,416
 earlier, there's

2315
00:40:42,416 --> 00:40:43,083
 so many areas of

2316
00:40:43,083 --> 00:40:44,958
 our chemicals, so

2317
00:40:44,958 --> 00:40:45,541
 many chemicals

2318
00:40:45,541 --> 00:40:47,125
 that are affected

2319
00:40:47,125 --> 00:40:48,750
 by our thoughts,

2320
00:40:49,083 --> 00:40:49,791
 by our state of

2321
00:40:49,791 --> 00:40:51,125
 mind to

2322
00:40:51,125 --> 00:40:52,166
 where we are.

2323
00:40:52,958 --> 00:40:53,625
 If you can

2324
00:40:53,625 --> 00:40:54,750
 mention, if you

2325
00:40:54,750 --> 00:40:55,166
 can keep yourself

2326
00:40:55,166 --> 00:40:55,500
 in a

2327
00:40:55,500 --> 00:40:56,000
 parasympathetic

2328
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,583
 state more often,

2329
00:40:58,250 --> 00:40:58,833
 or even bring

2330
00:40:58,833 --> 00:41:00,125
 yourself back

2331
00:41:00,125 --> 00:41:00,875
 there quicker,

2332
00:41:02,166 --> 00:41:03,500
 you know, then

2333
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:05,125
 you become

2334
00:41:05,125 --> 00:41:05,791
 stronger, you

2335
00:41:05,791 --> 00:41:06,458
 grow more grey

2336
00:41:06,458 --> 00:41:07,208
 matter in your

2337
00:41:07,208 --> 00:41:08,375
 brain, and you

2338
00:41:08,375 --> 00:41:09,083
 strengthen that

2339
00:41:09,083 --> 00:41:10,250
 part of you,

2340
00:41:10,250 --> 00:41:10,625
 scientifically

2341
00:41:10,625 --> 00:41:12,166
 proven that, you

2342
00:41:12,166 --> 00:41:12,458
 know, there's

2343
00:41:12,458 --> 00:41:12,958
 been many,

2344
00:41:12,958 --> 00:41:13,166
 many tests,

2345
00:41:14,166 --> 00:41:15,791
 done a lot of MRI

2346
00:41:15,791 --> 00:41:16,833
 tests and scans

2347
00:41:16,833 --> 00:41:19,166
 to show that the

2348
00:41:19,166 --> 00:41:19,750
 grey matter in

2349
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:20,375
 your brain can

2350
00:41:20,375 --> 00:41:21,416
 grow and

2351
00:41:21,416 --> 00:41:22,208
 increase, and

2352
00:41:22,208 --> 00:41:22,583
 then you can

2353
00:41:22,583 --> 00:41:23,458
 build that habit.

2354
00:41:24,208 --> 00:41:24,583
 And then it's

2355
00:41:24,583 --> 00:41:25,875
 almost like, you

2356
00:41:25,875 --> 00:41:26,208
 know, becoming

2357
00:41:26,208 --> 00:41:26,666
 stronger

2358
00:41:26,666 --> 00:41:27,291
 at the gym.

2359
00:41:28,083 --> 00:41:28,625
 And then when you

2360
00:41:28,625 --> 00:41:29,750
 go in and lift

2361
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:30,500
 something in your

2362
00:41:30,500 --> 00:41:31,041
 house, or you're

2363
00:41:31,041 --> 00:41:31,666
 carrying the bags

2364
00:41:31,666 --> 00:41:32,250
 in or doing

2365
00:41:32,250 --> 00:41:33,500
 something, all of

2366
00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:34,000
 a sudden things

2367
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:34,500
 just become

2368
00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:35,166
 easier and they

2369
00:41:35,166 --> 00:41:35,625
 become more

2370
00:41:35,625 --> 00:41:36,125
 natural.

2371
00:41:37,166 --> 00:41:37,666
 And that's really

2372
00:41:37,666 --> 00:41:38,083
 what mindfulness

2373
00:41:38,083 --> 00:41:39,958
 is, is just about

2374
00:41:39,958 --> 00:41:42,375
 awareness of

2375
00:41:42,375 --> 00:41:43,166
 where you're going.

2376
00:41:43,166 --> 00:41:44,000
 Where your mind

2377
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,166
 wants to go, but

2378
00:41:45,166 --> 00:41:45,416
 where you

2379
00:41:45,416 --> 00:41:46,708
 actually are, and

2380
00:41:46,708 --> 00:41:47,291
 bringing yourself

2381
00:41:47,291 --> 00:41:47,958
 back to that

2382
00:41:47,958 --> 00:41:48,791
 present moment,

2383
00:41:49,375 --> 00:41:51,208
 reducing the

2384
00:41:51,208 --> 00:41:52,666
 stress from your

2385
00:41:52,666 --> 00:41:53,625
 body, which then

2386
00:41:53,625 --> 00:41:54,250
 has all the

2387
00:41:54,250 --> 00:41:55,125
 positive effects,

2388
00:41:55,958 --> 00:41:56,958
 opposite to the

2389
00:41:56,958 --> 00:41:57,500
 negative effects

2390
00:41:57,500 --> 00:41:58,000
 of stress,

2391
00:41:58,416 --> 00:41:58,875
 you know.

2392
00:41:59,958 --> 00:42:00,583
 Yeah, no,

2393
00:42:00,583 --> 00:42:01,000
 definitely.

2394
00:42:01,250 --> 00:42:02,958
 And it's, it's

2395
00:42:02,958 --> 00:42:03,666
 just interesting

2396
00:42:03,666 --> 00:42:04,291
 that you sort of

2397
00:42:04,291 --> 00:42:04,458
 brought

2398
00:42:04,458 --> 00:42:05,166
 all that up.

2399
00:42:05,166 --> 00:42:05,750
 There's a

2400
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:06,708
 relatively new

2401
00:42:06,708 --> 00:42:07,708
 field of what you

2402
00:42:07,708 --> 00:42:08,583
 might call, and I

2403
00:42:08,583 --> 00:42:09,833
 suppose being

2404
00:42:09,833 --> 00:42:10,708
 spearheaded by a

2405
00:42:10,708 --> 00:42:11,875
 guy called Dr Leo

2406
00:42:11,875 --> 00:42:14,083
 Prembok, who is a

2407
00:42:14,083 --> 00:42:14,708
 medical

2408
00:42:14,708 --> 00:42:16,250
 biochemist, and

2409
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:17,791
 it focuses very

2410
00:42:17,791 --> 00:42:19,916
 much on this link

2411
00:42:19,916 --> 00:42:20,541
 between

2412
00:42:20,541 --> 00:42:21,666
 psychology,

2413
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,791
 immunology, and

2414
00:42:23,791 --> 00:42:24,166
 the nervous

2415
00:42:24,166 --> 00:42:25,875
 system, and how

2416
00:42:25,875 --> 00:42:27,125
 when the mind

2417
00:42:27,125 --> 00:42:28,041
 essentially is

2418
00:42:28,041 --> 00:42:29,791
 out of sync, and

2419
00:42:29,791 --> 00:42:30,208
 you're in this

2420
00:42:30,208 --> 00:42:31,416
 sympathetic or

2421
00:42:31,416 --> 00:42:32,541
 fight and flight

2422
00:42:32,541 --> 00:42:33,625
 mode, that you

2423
00:42:33,625 --> 00:42:35,708
 then really start

2424
00:42:35,708 --> 00:42:36,333
 to drive this

2425
00:42:36,333 --> 00:42:37,000
 immune system

2426
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:37,541
 dysregulation,

2427
00:42:37,541 --> 00:42:38,375
 like we'll talk

2428
00:42:38,375 --> 00:42:39,041
 about earlier,

2429
00:42:39,041 --> 00:42:40,541
 which then drives

2430
00:42:40,541 --> 00:42:41,083
 the development

2431
00:42:41,083 --> 00:42:41,958
 of disease.

2432
00:42:42,208 --> 00:42:43,666
 And it just

2433
00:42:43,666 --> 00:42:45,041
 speaks to how

2434
00:42:45,041 --> 00:42:46,750
 powerful tools

2435
00:42:46,750 --> 00:42:47,666
 like mindfulness

2436
00:42:47,666 --> 00:42:48,500
 are and helping

2437
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:49,416
 to get you back

2438
00:42:49,416 --> 00:42:49,875
 into this

2439
00:42:49,875 --> 00:42:50,625
 parasympathetic

2440
00:42:50,625 --> 00:42:52,125
 state like you

2441
00:42:52,125 --> 00:42:53,791
 alluded to

2442
00:42:53,791 --> 00:42:54,291
 earlier, and

2443
00:42:54,291 --> 00:42:55,000
 allowing the body

2444
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:56,041
 to then refine

2445
00:42:56,041 --> 00:42:57,166
 that homeostasis.

2446
00:42:58,291 --> 00:42:59,500
 I suppose, Simon,

2447
00:42:59,500 --> 00:42:59,875
 this is probably

2448
00:42:59,875 --> 00:43:01,291
 a great time to

2449
00:43:01,291 --> 00:43:01,833
 start talking

2450
00:43:01,833 --> 00:43:03,083
 about Samton.

2451
00:43:03,791 --> 00:43:04,458
 As I mentioned

2452
00:43:04,458 --> 00:43:05,458
 earlier, I played

2453
00:43:05,458 --> 00:43:06,583
 around with the

2454
00:43:06,583 --> 00:43:07,333
 free trial

2455
00:43:07,333 --> 00:43:07,875
 offline.

2456
00:43:08,541 --> 00:43:10,208
 And yeah, it's

2457
00:43:10,208 --> 00:43:10,791
 amazing.

2458
00:43:11,166 --> 00:43:12,708
 I do like it.

2459
00:43:12,708 --> 00:43:13,250
 It's simple.

2460
00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:13,750
 It's clean.

2461
00:43:14,166 --> 00:43:14,791
 The only other

2462
00:43:14,791 --> 00:43:15,583
 app that I've

2463
00:43:15,583 --> 00:43:16,416
 sort of, that's

2464
00:43:16,416 --> 00:43:17,166
 come close to it

2465
00:43:17,166 --> 00:43:17,875
 for me anyway

2466
00:43:17,875 --> 00:43:19,333
 was, is it Sam or

2467
00:43:19,333 --> 00:43:20,500
 Dan Harris, one

2468
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:21,833
 of them, and his

2469
00:43:21,833 --> 00:43:22,666
 waking up app

2470
00:43:22,666 --> 00:43:23,583
 that was that was

2471
00:43:23,583 --> 00:43:24,625
 also fixed, but

2472
00:43:24,625 --> 00:43:25,166
 four times

2473
00:43:25,166 --> 00:43:25,541
 the price.

2474
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:26,916
 So, I mean, the

2475
00:43:26,916 --> 00:43:27,458
 fact that yours

2476
00:43:27,458 --> 00:43:28,375
 is a bonus.

2477
00:43:30,166 --> 00:43:30,958
 Can you sort of

2478
00:43:30,958 --> 00:43:31,875
 talk us through

2479
00:43:31,875 --> 00:43:32,500
 your sort of

2480
00:43:32,500 --> 00:43:33,250
 involvement in

2481
00:43:33,250 --> 00:43:34,208
 the company and

2482
00:43:34,208 --> 00:43:37,000
 then, yeah, what

2483
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:37,750
 sort of sets it

2484
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:39,000
 apart, I know

2485
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,500
 that you have

2486
00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:41,583
 Geelong,

2487
00:43:41,958 --> 00:43:43,375
 Tibooten, Tipton,

2488
00:43:43,625 --> 00:43:44,166
 I'm going to

2489
00:43:44,166 --> 00:43:44,708
 butcher that

2490
00:43:44,708 --> 00:43:45,166
 involved.

2491
00:43:47,083 --> 00:43:47,291
 Yeah,

2492
00:43:48,291 --> 00:43:50,458
 how Sam, Sam Tan,

2493
00:43:50,458 --> 00:43:51,000
 excuse me,

2494
00:43:51,416 --> 00:43:52,041
 different.

2495
00:43:54,208 --> 00:43:54,625
 So,

2496
00:43:56,333 --> 00:43:57,000
 Sam Tan was born

2497
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:57,791
 many years ago,

2498
00:43:57,791 --> 00:43:58,166
 actually, it's

2499
00:43:58,166 --> 00:43:59,125
 still pretty much

2500
00:43:59,125 --> 00:44:02,333
 in the startup

2501
00:44:02,333 --> 00:44:03,166
 stage, I guess,

2502
00:44:03,166 --> 00:44:03,833
 because of

2503
00:44:03,833 --> 00:44:04,541
 different

2504
00:44:04,541 --> 00:44:05,166
 reasons.

2505
00:44:05,625 --> 00:44:06,083
 But he was born

2506
00:44:06,083 --> 00:44:06,875
 many years ago.

2507
00:44:08,166 --> 00:44:08,458
 So,

2508
00:44:09,500 --> 00:44:09,708
 one of the

2509
00:44:09,708 --> 00:44:10,333
 co-founders,

2510
00:44:10,333 --> 00:44:12,125
 Jamie Watkins, he

2511
00:44:12,125 --> 00:44:13,166
 broke his back

2512
00:44:13,166 --> 00:44:13,708
 running a

2513
00:44:13,708 --> 00:44:13,916
 marathon.

2514
00:44:14,708 --> 00:44:15,291
 He's still

2515
00:44:15,291 --> 00:44:15,541
 completely

2516
00:44:15,541 --> 00:44:15,916
 marathon.

2517
00:44:16,625 --> 00:44:16,916
 How do you

2518
00:44:16,916 --> 00:44:17,166
 manage that?

2519
00:44:17,208 --> 00:44:18,375
 I know.

2520
00:44:18,833 --> 00:44:19,750
 And then after

2521
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:21,875
 that, he then

2522
00:44:21,875 --> 00:44:24,291
 took up yoga and

2523
00:44:24,291 --> 00:44:26,375
 he took up, you

2524
00:44:26,375 --> 00:44:27,000
 know, a lot of

2525
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:27,750
 mindfulness

2526
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:29,166
 practices really

2527
00:44:29,166 --> 00:44:30,250
 to get him

2528
00:44:30,250 --> 00:44:30,750
 through a tough

2529
00:44:30,750 --> 00:44:32,208
 moment, in which

2530
00:44:32,208 --> 00:44:32,791
 case he found

2531
00:44:32,791 --> 00:44:33,375
 himself in a

2532
00:44:33,375 --> 00:44:33,583
 monastery.

2533
00:44:34,833 --> 00:44:35,125
 At this

2534
00:44:35,125 --> 00:44:35,708
 monastery, he

2535
00:44:35,708 --> 00:44:35,916
 found

2536
00:44:35,916 --> 00:44:36,708
 Geelong Tipton.

2537
00:44:37,625 --> 00:44:41,666
 And Jamie had

2538
00:44:41,666 --> 00:44:42,208
 been in the tech

2539
00:44:42,208 --> 00:44:43,250
 space for a

2540
00:44:43,250 --> 00:44:43,875
 long time.

2541
00:44:44,458 --> 00:44:45,208
 And he said to

2542
00:44:45,208 --> 00:44:46,958
 Tipton, I'll

2543
00:44:46,958 --> 00:44:47,916
 build it, you'll

2544
00:44:47,916 --> 00:44:48,375
 be the teacher.

2545
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:49,750
 And they

2546
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:50,166
 said, yes.

2547
00:44:50,750 --> 00:44:51,666
 So, hence,

2548
00:44:52,083 --> 00:44:52,833
 that was it.

2549
00:44:54,291 --> 00:44:54,666
 They built

2550
00:44:54,666 --> 00:44:55,291
 something that

2551
00:44:55,291 --> 00:44:56,458
 was referred to

2552
00:44:56,458 --> 00:44:57,166
 as a bike with no

2553
00:44:57,166 --> 00:44:57,875
 handlebars, I

2554
00:44:57,875 --> 00:44:59,291
 suppose, where

2555
00:44:59,291 --> 00:45:00,541
 the idea

2556
00:45:00,541 --> 00:45:01,875
 was there,

2557
00:45:03,666 --> 00:45:04,875
 but it couldn't

2558
00:45:04,875 --> 00:45:05,625
 get it to work.

2559
00:45:06,416 --> 00:45:08,000
 So, I then came

2560
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:08,833
 along, I invested

2561
00:45:08,833 --> 00:45:09,500
 in the company.

2562
00:45:10,875 --> 00:45:11,750
 And at first, I

2563
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:12,125
 didn't know if

2564
00:45:12,125 --> 00:45:12,500
 I'd have any

2565
00:45:12,500 --> 00:45:13,041
 involvement in

2566
00:45:13,041 --> 00:45:13,416
 the company.

2567
00:45:13,791 --> 00:45:14,583
 I did invest to

2568
00:45:14,583 --> 00:45:15,166
 be a part of it.

2569
00:45:15,166 --> 00:45:16,083
 I invested to

2570
00:45:16,083 --> 00:45:17,791
 invest because I

2571
00:45:17,791 --> 00:45:18,666
 really loved what

2572
00:45:18,666 --> 00:45:19,541
 it stood for.

2573
00:45:21,125 --> 00:45:21,541
 And I was kind

2574
00:45:21,541 --> 00:45:22,375
 of, I was on my

2575
00:45:22,375 --> 00:45:23,333
 own journey of

2576
00:45:23,333 --> 00:45:25,041
 looking at myself

2577
00:45:25,041 --> 00:45:25,500
 really and

2578
00:45:25,500 --> 00:45:25,833
 growing.

2579
00:45:26,958 --> 00:45:28,833
 And then once I

2580
00:45:28,833 --> 00:45:30,166
 had done that, I

2581
00:45:30,166 --> 00:45:30,666
 couldn't help

2582
00:45:30,666 --> 00:45:31,375
 want to be

2583
00:45:31,375 --> 00:45:31,875
 involved.

2584
00:45:32,208 --> 00:45:33,250
 One, because it

2585
00:45:33,250 --> 00:45:33,791
 was such a great

2586
00:45:33,791 --> 00:45:34,750
 project and two,

2587
00:45:34,750 --> 00:45:35,375
 that Jamie

2588
00:45:35,375 --> 00:45:36,458
 Watkins was kind

2589
00:45:36,458 --> 00:45:38,666
 of, the best way

2590
00:45:38,666 --> 00:45:39,000
 to put it

2591
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:39,708
 really, he's,

2592
00:45:40,958 --> 00:45:41,458
 you just want to

2593
00:45:41,458 --> 00:45:42,083
 be around him,

2594
00:45:42,333 --> 00:45:42,750
 you know?

2595
00:45:43,333 --> 00:45:44,291
 So, yeah,

2596
00:45:44,291 --> 00:45:44,875
 that was it.

2597
00:45:45,083 --> 00:45:45,916
 I got involved

2598
00:45:45,916 --> 00:45:48,333
 and then somehow

2599
00:45:48,333 --> 00:45:49,583
 it just kind of

2600
00:45:49,583 --> 00:45:50,583
 snowballed into a

2601
00:45:50,583 --> 00:45:52,125
 point where I

2602
00:45:52,125 --> 00:45:53,583
 helped lead quite

2603
00:45:53,583 --> 00:45:54,166
 a few of the

2604
00:45:54,166 --> 00:45:54,958
 areas we were

2605
00:45:54,958 --> 00:45:55,625
 pushing on and

2606
00:45:55,625 --> 00:45:55,750
 then

2607
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:56,625
 become the CEO.

2608
00:45:57,458 --> 00:45:57,916
 And now I lead

2609
00:45:57,916 --> 00:45:58,333
 the company.

2610
00:45:59,500 --> 00:46:00,583
 And over the last

2611
00:46:00,583 --> 00:46:01,750
 few years,

2612
00:46:02,250 --> 00:46:02,791
 something's never

2613
00:46:02,791 --> 00:46:04,750
 really had the

2614
00:46:04,750 --> 00:46:05,625
 full focus.

2615
00:46:05,625 --> 00:46:06,750
 We released it.

2616
00:46:06,750 --> 00:46:07,291
 We've had like,

2617
00:46:07,500 --> 00:46:08,500
 you know, I think

2618
00:46:08,500 --> 00:46:09,500
 we've had tens of

2619
00:46:09,500 --> 00:46:10,000
 thousands of

2620
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:10,333
 sessions

2621
00:46:10,333 --> 00:46:11,125
 completed by

2622
00:46:11,125 --> 00:46:11,916
 users all over

2623
00:46:11,916 --> 00:46:12,166
 the world.

2624
00:46:13,166 --> 00:46:14,791
 But there's

2625
00:46:14,791 --> 00:46:15,416
 something about

2626
00:46:15,416 --> 00:46:16,458
 it, which pushed

2627
00:46:16,458 --> 00:46:16,958
 on to your

2628
00:46:16,958 --> 00:46:17,583
 question really

2629
00:46:17,583 --> 00:46:18,000
 of why it's

2630
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,000
 different, is I

2631
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,125
 was running a

2632
00:46:22,125 --> 00:46:22,958
 festival company,

2633
00:46:23,625 --> 00:46:24,041
 Jamie was doing

2634
00:46:24,041 --> 00:46:25,958
 other stuff and I

2635
00:46:25,958 --> 00:46:26,291
 left that

2636
00:46:26,291 --> 00:46:26,916
 festival company

2637
00:46:26,916 --> 00:46:27,625
 a year ago where

2638
00:46:27,625 --> 00:46:28,000
 you could focus

2639
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:28,541
 on something.

2640
00:46:29,291 --> 00:46:30,000
 And in that we

2641
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:30,875
 restrategized.

2642
00:46:32,208 --> 00:46:35,000
 And the USP, for

2643
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:35,958
 me, of what we

2644
00:46:35,958 --> 00:46:37,500
 are, is we got

2645
00:46:37,500 --> 00:46:38,125
 the educational

2646
00:46:38,125 --> 00:46:38,666
 platform.

2647
00:46:39,625 --> 00:46:40,416
 So we got a

2648
00:46:40,416 --> 00:46:41,000
 30-day foundation

2649
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:41,166
 journey.

2650
00:46:41,208 --> 00:46:43,625
 Which really

2651
00:46:43,625 --> 00:46:44,791
 helps teach guide

2652
00:46:44,791 --> 00:46:46,625
 people to learn

2653
00:46:46,625 --> 00:46:47,625
 the art of what

2654
00:46:47,625 --> 00:46:48,250
 meditation and

2655
00:46:48,250 --> 00:46:49,166
 mindfulness is,

2656
00:46:49,458 --> 00:46:50,666
 but also how you

2657
00:46:50,666 --> 00:46:51,458
 integrate it into

2658
00:46:51,458 --> 00:46:52,291
 daily life.

2659
00:46:53,166 --> 00:46:53,958
 And in our 30-day

2660
00:46:53,958 --> 00:46:56,250
 program, we take

2661
00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:57,458
 you through step

2662
00:46:57,458 --> 00:46:58,708
 by step and

2663
00:46:58,708 --> 00:46:59,125
 they're all

2664
00:46:59,125 --> 00:46:59,791
 guided by

2665
00:46:59,791 --> 00:47:00,166
 Tuktung,

2666
00:47:00,833 --> 00:47:01,125
 you know?

2667
00:47:01,125 --> 00:47:01,416
 They're all

2668
00:47:01,416 --> 00:47:02,250
 separate guided

2669
00:47:02,250 --> 00:47:03,125
 meditations.

2670
00:47:03,166 --> 00:47:05,083
 And really, the

2671
00:47:05,083 --> 00:47:05,625
 aim is to help

2672
00:47:05,625 --> 00:47:06,208
 build a habit.

2673
00:47:06,833 --> 00:47:07,375
 So we offer it

2674
00:47:07,375 --> 00:47:08,125
 not just to

2675
00:47:08,125 --> 00:47:08,791
 consumer, but

2676
00:47:08,791 --> 00:47:09,875
 also to employees

2677
00:47:09,875 --> 00:47:11,500
 and companies.

2678
00:47:12,166 --> 00:47:13,458
 So they can help

2679
00:47:13,458 --> 00:47:14,291
 their employees

2680
00:47:14,291 --> 00:47:14,750
 become more

2681
00:47:14,750 --> 00:47:15,375
 compassionate to

2682
00:47:15,375 --> 00:47:16,125
 themselves, to

2683
00:47:16,125 --> 00:47:17,166
 others, more

2684
00:47:17,166 --> 00:47:17,791
 productive, more

2685
00:47:17,791 --> 00:47:18,625
 efficient and

2686
00:47:18,625 --> 00:47:20,041
 kinder, which

2687
00:47:20,041 --> 00:47:20,791
 help them with

2688
00:47:20,791 --> 00:47:23,083
 less stress in

2689
00:47:23,083 --> 00:47:24,958
 the workplace and

2690
00:47:24,958 --> 00:47:25,708
 more recruitment,

2691
00:47:26,916 --> 00:47:27,375
 sustainability

2692
00:47:27,375 --> 00:47:28,208
 for the

2693
00:47:28,208 --> 00:47:28,791
 companies really.

2694
00:47:30,375 --> 00:47:31,833
 So in that,

2695
00:47:32,416 --> 00:47:32,916
 there's like

2696
00:47:32,916 --> 00:47:33,541
 another 150

2697
00:47:33,541 --> 00:47:34,291
 sessions.

2698
00:47:35,416 --> 00:47:36,041
 For instance,

2699
00:47:36,041 --> 00:47:36,416
 there's one of

2700
00:47:36,416 --> 00:47:36,916
 them which is on

2701
00:47:36,916 --> 00:47:37,416
 motivation.

2702
00:47:38,583 --> 00:47:39,000
 And in there,

2703
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:39,500
 Tuktung will,

2704
00:47:39,875 --> 00:47:40,250
 it's almost like

2705
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:40,958
 a life coach at

2706
00:47:40,958 --> 00:47:41,250
 the beginning.

2707
00:47:41,833 --> 00:47:42,416
 He talks about

2708
00:47:42,416 --> 00:47:43,458
 motivation and

2709
00:47:43,458 --> 00:47:44,291
 the opposite to

2710
00:47:44,291 --> 00:47:44,666
 that, which is

2711
00:47:44,666 --> 00:47:45,375
 procrastination.

2712
00:47:46,291 --> 00:47:47,375
 And then through

2713
00:47:47,375 --> 00:47:48,208
 procrastination,

2714
00:47:49,125 --> 00:47:51,333
 the negative side

2715
00:47:51,333 --> 00:47:51,750
 of that,

2716
00:47:51,958 --> 00:47:52,375
 you know?

2717
00:47:52,541 --> 00:47:53,083
 And the fact that

2718
00:47:53,083 --> 00:47:53,625
 we haven't got a

2719
00:47:53,625 --> 00:47:54,458
 lot of time and

2720
00:47:54,458 --> 00:47:55,083
 we need to get on

2721
00:47:55,083 --> 00:47:55,833
 with stuff and we

2722
00:47:55,833 --> 00:47:56,500
 want to achieve

2723
00:47:56,500 --> 00:47:57,750
 things, you know?

2724
00:47:58,208 --> 00:47:59,125
 And help you then

2725
00:47:59,125 --> 00:47:59,541
 find your

2726
00:47:59,541 --> 00:48:00,291
 motivation, then

2727
00:48:00,291 --> 00:48:02,083
 you move into a

2728
00:48:02,083 --> 00:48:02,833
 meditation with

2729
00:48:02,833 --> 00:48:03,666
 him, you know?

2730
00:48:03,916 --> 00:48:04,500
 And you find your

2731
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:04,916
 breath and you

2732
00:48:04,916 --> 00:48:05,333
 get into the

2733
00:48:05,333 --> 00:48:05,875
 present moment.

2734
00:48:06,541 --> 00:48:06,791
 And I think

2735
00:48:06,791 --> 00:48:08,500
 that's why I

2736
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:08,833
 think we're

2737
00:48:08,833 --> 00:48:09,208
 different.

2738
00:48:10,375 --> 00:48:11,708
 Like, what I kind

2739
00:48:11,708 --> 00:48:12,625
 of say to people

2740
00:48:12,625 --> 00:48:14,833
 is Netflix, you

2741
00:48:14,833 --> 00:48:15,333
 turn it on at

2742
00:48:15,333 --> 00:48:16,833
 nine o'clock, you

2743
00:48:16,833 --> 00:48:17,291
 don't choose your

2744
00:48:17,291 --> 00:48:17,666
 film for

2745
00:48:17,666 --> 00:48:18,166
 Outlast 9.

2746
00:48:18,958 --> 00:48:19,583
 Outlast 10, you

2747
00:48:19,583 --> 00:48:20,166
 pause it and you

2748
00:48:20,166 --> 00:48:20,583
 watch the rest

2749
00:48:20,583 --> 00:48:20,958
 tomorrow.

2750
00:48:22,166 --> 00:48:22,583
 Right?

2751
00:48:24,166 --> 00:48:24,375
 There's some

2752
00:48:24,375 --> 00:48:24,916
 companies out

2753
00:48:24,916 --> 00:48:26,125
 there, like one

2754
00:48:26,125 --> 00:48:28,083
 company is a

2755
00:48:28,083 --> 00:48:28,875
 billion dollar

2756
00:48:28,875 --> 00:48:29,791
 wellness tech

2757
00:48:29,791 --> 00:48:30,958
 company, the

2758
00:48:30,958 --> 00:48:31,500
 first one.

2759
00:48:32,083 --> 00:48:33,625
 And their app is

2760
00:48:33,625 --> 00:48:36,000
 amazing visually

2761
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,041
 what they've got

2762
00:48:37,041 --> 00:48:37,541
 content.

2763
00:48:37,958 --> 00:48:38,458
 It's brilliant.

2764
00:48:39,833 --> 00:48:40,416
 But it's not the

2765
00:48:40,416 --> 00:48:41,166
 direction we want

2766
00:48:41,166 --> 00:48:41,666
 to be in.

2767
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:42,833
 Our direction is

2768
00:48:42,833 --> 00:48:43,458
 we want to be all

2769
00:48:43,458 --> 00:48:44,083
 more simple,

2770
00:48:44,083 --> 00:48:44,541
 stupid, if you

2771
00:48:44,541 --> 00:48:44,666
 want to

2772
00:48:44,666 --> 00:48:45,083
 call it that.

2773
00:48:45,666 --> 00:48:45,875
 Yeah.

2774
00:48:46,333 --> 00:48:46,791
 We just do what

2775
00:48:46,791 --> 00:48:47,125
 we say on

2776
00:48:47,125 --> 00:48:47,416
 the tin.

2777
00:48:48,291 --> 00:48:48,500
 Like,

2778
00:48:49,583 --> 00:48:51,791
 I think what we

2779
00:48:51,791 --> 00:48:52,333
 try and remember

2780
00:48:52,333 --> 00:48:54,958
 is people come to

2781
00:48:54,958 --> 00:48:55,916
 us to practice

2782
00:48:55,916 --> 00:48:57,875
 and also to help

2783
00:48:57,875 --> 00:48:58,416
 with overwhelm.

2784
00:49:00,458 --> 00:49:00,833
 What we don't

2785
00:49:00,833 --> 00:49:01,208
 want to do is

2786
00:49:01,208 --> 00:49:01,708
 increase the

2787
00:49:01,708 --> 00:49:02,041
 overwhelm.

2788
00:49:03,125 --> 00:49:03,583
 We don't want to

2789
00:49:03,583 --> 00:49:04,166
 give people a

2790
00:49:04,166 --> 00:49:04,958
 million options

2791
00:49:04,958 --> 00:49:06,375
 that they all of

2792
00:49:06,375 --> 00:49:07,000
 a sudden, their

2793
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:07,666
 eyes are open.

2794
00:49:07,666 --> 00:49:07,875
 They're like,

2795
00:49:07,875 --> 00:49:08,541
 "Oh, I don't know

2796
00:49:08,541 --> 00:49:08,791
 what I

2797
00:49:08,791 --> 00:49:10,125
 want to do.

2798
00:49:10,125 --> 00:49:10,750
 This looks great.

2799
00:49:10,750 --> 00:49:11,375
 This looks great.

2800
00:49:11,375 --> 00:49:11,500
 That

2801
00:49:11,500 --> 00:49:11,958
 sounds great.

2802
00:49:11,958 --> 00:49:12,708
 Oh, I love that.

2803
00:49:12,708 --> 00:49:13,000
 There's a

2804
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:13,458
 celebrity.

2805
00:49:13,458 --> 00:49:13,666
 There's an

2806
00:49:13,666 --> 00:49:14,166
 artist."

2807
00:49:15,166 --> 00:49:15,833
 That's not what

2808
00:49:15,833 --> 00:49:16,416
 we want to be.

2809
00:49:17,250 --> 00:49:17,791
 We just want to

2810
00:49:17,791 --> 00:49:19,166
 be very simple.

2811
00:49:19,875 --> 00:49:20,750
 You come in, you

2812
00:49:20,750 --> 00:49:21,375
 do your practice,

2813
00:49:21,666 --> 00:49:22,125
 you feel a

2814
00:49:22,125 --> 00:49:22,833
 certain way, you

2815
00:49:22,833 --> 00:49:23,541
 go in, you find

2816
00:49:23,541 --> 00:49:24,125
 it, you do it,

2817
00:49:24,125 --> 00:49:24,625
 you get out.

2818
00:49:25,125 --> 00:49:25,500
 And you just get

2819
00:49:25,500 --> 00:49:26,041
 on with your day

2820
00:49:26,041 --> 00:49:27,250
 and integrate it

2821
00:49:27,250 --> 00:49:27,750
 into your daily

2822
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:29,041
 life as opposed

2823
00:49:29,041 --> 00:49:29,916
 to a platform

2824
00:49:29,916 --> 00:49:31,000
 where you're just

2825
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:31,625
 scrolling through

2826
00:49:31,625 --> 00:49:32,208
 looking for cool

2827
00:49:32,208 --> 00:49:32,666
 things to

2828
00:49:32,666 --> 00:49:33,166
 practice.

2829
00:49:34,541 --> 00:49:35,250
 And that's why

2830
00:49:35,250 --> 00:49:35,708
 we're different.

2831
00:49:36,208 --> 00:49:36,708
 And for some

2832
00:49:36,708 --> 00:49:37,708
 people, it'll be

2833
00:49:37,708 --> 00:49:38,333
 exactly

2834
00:49:38,333 --> 00:49:38,958
 what they want.

2835
00:49:38,958 --> 00:49:39,500
 And for others,

2836
00:49:40,250 --> 00:49:41,000
 it'll be a

2837
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:41,416
 million miles

2838
00:49:41,416 --> 00:49:41,875
 away from what

2839
00:49:41,875 --> 00:49:42,166
 they want.

2840
00:49:43,875 --> 00:49:44,916
 But there's a

2841
00:49:44,916 --> 00:49:45,583
 billion people in

2842
00:49:45,583 --> 00:49:45,875
 the world.

2843
00:49:46,208 --> 00:49:47,000
 So there's plenty

2844
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:47,583
 of people for all

2845
00:49:47,583 --> 00:49:48,166
 of us to help.

2846
00:49:48,166 --> 00:49:48,750
 And if we all do

2847
00:49:48,750 --> 00:49:49,083
 a little bit

2848
00:49:49,083 --> 00:49:50,375
 each, then

2849
00:49:50,375 --> 00:49:51,416
 collectively we

2850
00:49:51,416 --> 00:49:52,166
 achieve our goal.

2851
00:49:53,166 --> 00:49:54,208
 Yeah, I think it

2852
00:49:54,208 --> 00:49:55,416
 definitely is an

2853
00:49:55,416 --> 00:49:56,250
 amazing platform.

2854
00:49:56,958 --> 00:49:57,666
 And what I really

2855
00:49:57,666 --> 00:49:58,625
 like about it for

2856
00:49:58,625 --> 00:49:59,041
 someone who

2857
00:49:59,041 --> 00:49:59,666
 really struggles

2858
00:49:59,666 --> 00:50:00,250
 to meditate,

2859
00:50:00,541 --> 00:50:01,458
 because me trying

2860
00:50:01,458 --> 00:50:02,083
 to keep my mind

2861
00:50:02,083 --> 00:50:04,000
 on anything is a

2862
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,416
 mission, is the

2863
00:50:05,416 --> 00:50:07,083
 fact that the

2864
00:50:07,083 --> 00:50:07,833
 first couple of

2865
00:50:07,833 --> 00:50:08,583
 sessions, you

2866
00:50:08,583 --> 00:50:08,791
 just

2867
00:50:08,791 --> 00:50:09,500
 incrementally

2868
00:50:09,500 --> 00:50:11,166
 build up it from

2869
00:50:11,166 --> 00:50:11,500
 a time

2870
00:50:11,500 --> 00:50:11,833
 perspective.

2871
00:50:12,166 --> 00:50:12,666
 I think the first

2872
00:50:12,666 --> 00:50:13,791
 one is five

2873
00:50:13,791 --> 00:50:14,333
 minutes and then

2874
00:50:14,333 --> 00:50:14,833
 it's seven

2875
00:50:14,833 --> 00:50:15,500
 minutes, etc.

2876
00:50:15,750 --> 00:50:16,500
 So it really

2877
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:17,375
 helps you to sort

2878
00:50:17,375 --> 00:50:18,916
 of ease into it,

2879
00:50:19,041 --> 00:50:19,541
 opposed to just

2880
00:50:19,541 --> 00:50:21,125
 sort of what I've

2881
00:50:21,125 --> 00:50:21,791
 found, I've tried

2882
00:50:21,791 --> 00:50:23,791
 a few apps, and a

2883
00:50:23,791 --> 00:50:24,375
 lot of them just

2884
00:50:24,375 --> 00:50:25,000
 sort of throw you

2885
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:25,291
 into the

2886
00:50:25,291 --> 00:50:25,708
 deep end.

2887
00:50:25,708 --> 00:50:26,166
 And you've got to

2888
00:50:26,166 --> 00:50:26,958
 sit there for 20

2889
00:50:26,958 --> 00:50:27,666
 minutes trying to

2890
00:50:27,666 --> 00:50:28,916
 sort of really

2891
00:50:28,916 --> 00:50:30,416
 kind of, yeah,

2892
00:50:30,416 --> 00:50:31,125
 just concentrate

2893
00:50:31,125 --> 00:50:31,708
 on what you're

2894
00:50:31,708 --> 00:50:31,958
 supposed

2895
00:50:31,958 --> 00:50:33,166
 to be doing.

2896
00:50:33,166 --> 00:50:34,833
 And as you've

2897
00:50:34,833 --> 00:50:36,750
 alluded to, a lot

2898
00:50:36,750 --> 00:50:37,500
 of them have

2899
00:50:37,500 --> 00:50:38,416
 influences in

2900
00:50:38,416 --> 00:50:39,333
 the, you've got

2901
00:50:39,333 --> 00:50:39,791
 your Russell

2902
00:50:39,791 --> 00:50:40,500
 brands, etc.

2903
00:50:41,125 --> 00:50:41,791
 And then you end

2904
00:50:41,791 --> 00:50:42,458
 up just sort of

2905
00:50:42,458 --> 00:50:42,625
 getting

2906
00:50:42,625 --> 00:50:43,416
 distracted and

2907
00:50:43,416 --> 00:50:43,958
 doom scrolling

2908
00:50:43,958 --> 00:50:44,375
 through the

2909
00:50:44,375 --> 00:50:45,083
 various programs

2910
00:50:45,083 --> 00:50:45,666
 trying to find

2911
00:50:45,666 --> 00:50:46,375
 something that

2912
00:50:46,375 --> 00:50:47,583
 actually you

2913
00:50:47,583 --> 00:50:48,333
 resonate with.

2914
00:50:48,833 --> 00:50:49,375
 And by the time

2915
00:50:49,375 --> 00:50:50,083
 you've done that,

2916
00:50:50,083 --> 00:50:50,541
 you might as well

2917
00:50:50,541 --> 00:50:51,083
 have given up

2918
00:50:51,083 --> 00:50:51,625
 because your time

2919
00:50:51,625 --> 00:50:52,416
 to meditates long

2920
00:50:52,416 --> 00:50:53,041
 gone, and you

2921
00:50:53,041 --> 00:50:54,000
 just sort of got

2922
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,458
 confused by the

2923
00:50:55,458 --> 00:50:56,041
 various options.

2924
00:50:56,416 --> 00:50:58,000
 So, yeah, I think

2925
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,000
 it's not just

2926
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:00,958
 Plunk Smoke, if

2927
00:51:00,958 --> 00:51:01,166
 you're also promised.

2928
00:51:01,166 --> 00:51:02,166
 I think it's an

2929
00:51:02,166 --> 00:51:03,000
 amazing platform

2930
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,000
 and it's

2931
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:04,958
 definitely worth

2932
00:51:04,958 --> 00:51:08,625
 people's time and

2933
00:51:08,625 --> 00:51:09,583
 their interest.

2934
00:51:11,166 --> 00:51:12,791
 I think I've

2935
00:51:12,791 --> 00:51:13,375
 noticed a few

2936
00:51:13,375 --> 00:51:14,458
 times in the app

2937
00:51:14,458 --> 00:51:17,000
 that Tipton has

2938
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:17,958
 sort of pointed

2939
00:51:17,958 --> 00:51:18,666
 to the fact that

2940
00:51:18,666 --> 00:51:19,458
 it's non

2941
00:51:19,458 --> 00:51:19,750
 religious.

2942
00:51:20,291 --> 00:51:21,916
 Now, I'm someone

2943
00:51:21,916 --> 00:51:22,458
 who's slowly

2944
00:51:22,458 --> 00:51:23,208
 starting to

2945
00:51:23,208 --> 00:51:25,833
 explore my faith,

2946
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:26,625
 my spirituality,

2947
00:51:26,625 --> 00:51:28,416
 and it's never

2948
00:51:28,416 --> 00:51:29,416
 really crossed my

2949
00:51:29,416 --> 00:51:29,875
 mind that

2950
00:51:29,875 --> 00:51:30,458
 meditation

2951
00:51:31,666 --> 00:51:32,500
 is in any way

2952
00:51:32,500 --> 00:51:33,083
 anti religious,

2953
00:51:33,416 --> 00:51:33,916
 although it

2954
00:51:33,916 --> 00:51:34,875
 appears that it

2955
00:51:34,875 --> 00:51:36,000
 probably is and

2956
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:36,416
 that there's at

2957
00:51:36,416 --> 00:51:38,041
 least some

2958
00:51:38,041 --> 00:51:39,791
 fraction aspect

2959
00:51:39,791 --> 00:51:40,500
 of the community

2960
00:51:40,500 --> 00:51:42,541
 who does have an

2961
00:51:42,541 --> 00:51:43,291
 interest in maybe

2962
00:51:43,291 --> 00:51:45,208
 I'm just naive,

2963
00:51:45,500 --> 00:51:46,000
 but could you

2964
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:46,916
 maybe explain

2965
00:51:46,916 --> 00:51:48,333
 why, what are

2966
00:51:48,333 --> 00:51:49,166
 your views on why

2967
00:51:49,166 --> 00:51:49,833
 people's

2968
00:51:49,833 --> 00:51:50,125
 particularly

2969
00:51:50,125 --> 00:51:51,291
 strong religious

2970
00:51:51,291 --> 00:51:52,000
 backgrounds,

2971
00:51:53,416 --> 00:51:54,125
 maybe have an

2972
00:51:54,125 --> 00:51:55,083
 issue with

2973
00:51:55,083 --> 00:51:56,666
 meditation and

2974
00:51:56,666 --> 00:51:57,041
 see it as

2975
00:51:57,041 --> 00:51:57,833
 something to be a

2976
00:51:57,833 --> 00:51:58,375
 way from.

2977
00:52:00,208 --> 00:52:00,666
 I haven't come

2978
00:52:00,666 --> 00:52:02,750
 across a lot of

2979
00:52:02,750 --> 00:52:04,666
 pushback really

2980
00:52:04,666 --> 00:52:06,250
 in my

2981
00:52:06,250 --> 00:52:07,291
 conversations

2982
00:52:07,291 --> 00:52:08,208
 with anybody, but

2983
00:52:11,166 --> 00:52:12,750
 some people see

2984
00:52:12,750 --> 00:52:15,250
 Buddhism as a

2985
00:52:15,250 --> 00:52:17,250
 form of religion

2986
00:52:17,250 --> 00:52:20,791
 that kind of is

2987
00:52:20,791 --> 00:52:22,208
 synonymous with

2988
00:52:22,208 --> 00:52:24,500
 meditation and

2989
00:52:24,500 --> 00:52:26,458
 there's a balance

2990
00:52:26,458 --> 00:52:27,208
 with that that,

2991
00:52:27,208 --> 00:52:28,958
 you know, it may

2992
00:52:28,958 --> 00:52:30,166
 go against their

2993
00:52:30,166 --> 00:52:32,083
 beliefs and for

2994
00:52:32,083 --> 00:52:32,833
 them that's not

2995
00:52:32,833 --> 00:52:34,458
 it doesn't

2996
00:52:34,458 --> 00:52:34,958
 suit them.

2997
00:52:36,750 --> 00:52:37,541
 I just try and

2998
00:52:37,541 --> 00:52:37,833
 break it

2999
00:52:37,833 --> 00:52:38,375
 down simply.

3000
00:52:38,625 --> 00:52:40,166
 It's just it's a

3001
00:52:40,166 --> 00:52:40,500
 technique

3002
00:52:40,500 --> 00:52:41,125
 about breath.

3003
00:52:41,791 --> 00:52:43,208
 First thing we do

3004
00:52:43,208 --> 00:52:43,666
 when we come into

3005
00:52:43,666 --> 00:52:44,125
 the world and

3006
00:52:44,125 --> 00:52:44,666
 last thing we do

3007
00:52:44,666 --> 00:52:45,375
 before we go out

3008
00:52:45,375 --> 00:52:47,500
 is breathe and

3009
00:52:47,500 --> 00:52:49,083
 when we breathe

3010
00:52:49,083 --> 00:52:50,625
 and how we

3011
00:52:50,625 --> 00:52:52,500
 breathe has such

3012
00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:56,458
 an impact on us

3013
00:52:56,458 --> 00:52:58,416
 as human beings,

3014
00:52:58,625 --> 00:53:01,708
 you know, that

3015
00:53:03,291 --> 00:53:03,625
 it's the one

3016
00:53:03,625 --> 00:53:04,416
 thing that if we

3017
00:53:04,416 --> 00:53:05,125
 could become

3018
00:53:05,125 --> 00:53:07,125
 better at

3019
00:53:07,125 --> 00:53:07,500
 breathing,

3020
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:08,166
 although we do it

3021
00:53:08,166 --> 00:53:08,750
 naturally without

3022
00:53:08,750 --> 00:53:10,041
 thinking, we

3023
00:53:10,041 --> 00:53:10,416
 could become

3024
00:53:10,416 --> 00:53:12,041
 better at

3025
00:53:12,041 --> 00:53:12,833
 understanding our

3026
00:53:12,833 --> 00:53:14,416
 breath, then it

3027
00:53:14,416 --> 00:53:14,833
 would make us

3028
00:53:14,833 --> 00:53:15,791
 feel better and

3029
00:53:15,791 --> 00:53:16,291
 if we can make it

3030
00:53:16,291 --> 00:53:16,833
 if we can feel

3031
00:53:16,833 --> 00:53:18,000
 better, we can

3032
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:18,583
 make others feel

3033
00:53:18,583 --> 00:53:20,208
 better and then

3034
00:53:20,208 --> 00:53:20,500
 we can

3035
00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:21,791
 help, you know,

3036
00:53:23,541 --> 00:53:25,250
 be enjoy life bit

3037
00:53:25,250 --> 00:53:26,333
 more, be a bit

3038
00:53:26,333 --> 00:53:27,208
 happier, be a bit

3039
00:53:27,208 --> 00:53:27,791
 more at peace.

3040
00:53:29,041 --> 00:53:30,000
 So the religious

3041
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,000
 side of it, I

3042
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,916
 don't really pay

3043
00:53:32,916 --> 00:53:33,583
 that much

3044
00:53:33,583 --> 00:53:34,916
 attention to.

3045
00:53:34,916 --> 00:53:35,708
 I just think it's

3046
00:53:35,708 --> 00:53:39,375
 breath and yeah,

3047
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:40,625
 that's kind of my

3048
00:53:40,625 --> 00:53:41,250
 answer really

3049
00:53:41,250 --> 00:53:41,916
 might be a bit

3050
00:53:41,916 --> 00:53:42,625
 long winded for

3051
00:53:42,625 --> 00:53:43,166
 you there, Rob,

3052
00:53:43,166 --> 00:53:44,750
 but it's that's

3053
00:53:44,750 --> 00:53:45,166
 how I see it.

3054
00:53:45,166 --> 00:53:47,291
 That's perfect

3055
00:53:47,291 --> 00:53:48,000
 and I just sort

3056
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,750
 of I suppose

3057
00:53:49,750 --> 00:53:50,708
 everyone's going

3058
00:53:50,708 --> 00:53:51,291
 to have their own

3059
00:53:51,291 --> 00:53:51,833
 take at the end

3060
00:53:51,833 --> 00:53:53,666
 of the day, but I

3061
00:53:53,666 --> 00:53:54,500
 don't see why

3062
00:53:54,500 --> 00:53:55,166
 there should be

3063
00:53:55,166 --> 00:53:56,125
 an issue with it.

3064
00:53:56,375 --> 00:53:57,125
 As you've alluded

3065
00:53:57,125 --> 00:53:57,958
 to, it's just

3066
00:53:57,958 --> 00:53:58,541
 it's just a

3067
00:53:58,541 --> 00:53:59,708
 practice that is

3068
00:53:59,708 --> 00:54:01,166
 being developed

3069
00:54:01,166 --> 00:54:03,291
 or over eons to

3070
00:54:03,291 --> 00:54:04,416
 help individuals

3071
00:54:04,416 --> 00:54:06,291
 find their center

3072
00:54:06,291 --> 00:54:07,208
 and find the sort

3073
00:54:07,208 --> 00:54:07,500
 of this

3074
00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:08,250
 parasympathetic

3075
00:54:08,250 --> 00:54:09,916
 state and I

3076
00:54:09,916 --> 00:54:10,791
 suppose maybe

3077
00:54:10,791 --> 00:54:12,541
 that's the fault

3078
00:54:12,541 --> 00:54:14,166
 of the media to a

3079
00:54:14,166 --> 00:54:14,750
 large extent.

3080
00:54:16,166 --> 00:54:17,416
 The fact that

3081
00:54:17,416 --> 00:54:17,750
 it's been

3082
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:18,666
 portrayed is

3083
00:54:18,666 --> 00:54:19,833
 something that is

3084
00:54:19,833 --> 00:54:21,916
 I suppose anti

3085
00:54:21,916 --> 00:54:24,000
 Christian for the

3086
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,000
 most part and it

3087
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:25,458
 shouldn't be,

3088
00:54:25,625 --> 00:54:26,083
 which is

3089
00:54:26,083 --> 00:54:27,000
 definitely

3090
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,291
 something I think

3091
00:54:28,291 --> 00:54:30,166
 people and maybe

3092
00:54:30,166 --> 00:54:30,791
 this sounds a bit

3093
00:54:30,791 --> 00:54:31,583
 harsh, but sort

3094
00:54:31,583 --> 00:54:32,291
 of just need to

3095
00:54:32,291 --> 00:54:33,333
 realize that it's

3096
00:54:33,333 --> 00:54:33,916
 not about

3097
00:54:35,166 --> 00:54:37,041
 Yeah, it's not

3098
00:54:37,041 --> 00:54:37,833
 about choosing

3099
00:54:37,833 --> 00:54:39,833
 sides or losing

3100
00:54:39,833 --> 00:54:40,875
 focus on your

3101
00:54:40,875 --> 00:54:41,833
 God,

3102
00:54:41,833 --> 00:54:42,625
 whoever that is.

3103
00:54:42,625 --> 00:54:43,375
 It's just about

3104
00:54:43,375 --> 00:54:44,375
 finding balance

3105
00:54:44,375 --> 00:54:45,166
 within yourself.

3106
00:54:45,166 --> 00:54:46,291
 Some of these

3107
00:54:46,291 --> 00:54:47,000
 people see Rob

3108
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,083
 would they'd find

3109
00:54:50,083 --> 00:54:51,791
 peace in their

3110
00:54:51,791 --> 00:54:52,208
 way, right?

3111
00:54:53,208 --> 00:54:53,625
 They could be

3112
00:54:53,625 --> 00:54:55,500
 reading say a

3113
00:54:55,500 --> 00:54:56,750
 Bible or a Quran

3114
00:54:56,750 --> 00:54:58,791
 or they could be

3115
00:54:58,791 --> 00:55:00,333
 reading that and

3116
00:55:00,333 --> 00:55:02,916
 if they're

3117
00:55:02,916 --> 00:55:03,583
 peaceful at that

3118
00:55:03,583 --> 00:55:05,333
 time, if they're

3119
00:55:05,333 --> 00:55:05,500
 in a

3120
00:55:05,500 --> 00:55:05,916
 parasympathetic

3121
00:55:05,916 --> 00:55:08,000
 state and they're

3122
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,708
 trusting that

3123
00:55:09,708 --> 00:55:10,416
 situation,

3124
00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:12,333
 they're maybe

3125
00:55:12,333 --> 00:55:13,125
 achieving exactly

3126
00:55:13,125 --> 00:55:14,083
 the same

3127
00:55:14,083 --> 00:55:15,166
 state of peace.

3128
00:55:15,166 --> 00:55:16,208
 It really is as

3129
00:55:16,208 --> 00:55:16,958
 we say the breath

3130
00:55:16,958 --> 00:55:18,666
 work can achieve.

3131
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:20,083
 So, you know,

3132
00:55:20,083 --> 00:55:20,625
 there's no right

3133
00:55:20,625 --> 00:55:21,416
 or wrong.

3134
00:55:21,791 --> 00:55:22,583
 I think it's each

3135
00:55:22,583 --> 00:55:23,458
 to their each to

3136
00:55:23,458 --> 00:55:23,916
 their own really

3137
00:55:23,916 --> 00:55:26,000
 to find a way of

3138
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,000
 getting their

3139
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:27,458
 mind into

3140
00:55:27,458 --> 00:55:27,875
 that state.

3141
00:55:28,583 --> 00:55:29,208
 Yeah, definitely.

3142
00:55:30,500 --> 00:55:30,958
 Simon, you've

3143
00:55:30,958 --> 00:55:31,791
 been a star, but

3144
00:55:31,791 --> 00:55:32,500
 before I let you

3145
00:55:32,500 --> 00:55:33,291
 go, I'd just love

3146
00:55:33,291 --> 00:55:34,333
 to run you

3147
00:55:34,333 --> 00:55:35,000
 through a few

3148
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:35,583
 rapid fire

3149
00:55:35,583 --> 00:55:36,208
 questions if

3150
00:55:36,208 --> 00:55:36,916
 that's okay.

3151
00:55:36,916 --> 00:55:37,416
 Yeah, yeah,

3152
00:55:37,416 --> 00:55:37,750
 of course.

3153
00:55:38,250 --> 00:55:38,583
 Perfect.

3154
00:55:39,333 --> 00:55:41,041
 Okay, so morning

3155
00:55:41,041 --> 00:55:41,583
 or evening

3156
00:55:41,583 --> 00:55:42,333
 meditation, which

3157
00:55:42,333 --> 00:55:42,833
 you prefer?

3158
00:55:43,208 --> 00:55:44,541
 I prefer morning,

3159
00:55:44,958 --> 00:55:46,875
 but I do also do

3160
00:55:46,875 --> 00:55:47,208
 quite a bit

3161
00:55:47,208 --> 00:55:47,708
 through the day.

3162
00:55:48,708 --> 00:55:49,041
 If you could

3163
00:55:49,041 --> 00:55:49,875
 recommend one

3164
00:55:49,875 --> 00:55:50,291
 book on

3165
00:55:50,291 --> 00:55:51,916
 mindfulness, if

3166
00:55:51,916 --> 00:55:52,333
 you've got any

3167
00:55:52,333 --> 00:55:53,041
 favorites, what

3168
00:55:53,041 --> 00:55:53,541
 would it be?

3169
00:55:54,583 --> 00:55:55,375
 So the two books

3170
00:55:55,375 --> 00:55:56,458
 really, I don't

3171
00:55:56,458 --> 00:55:57,000
 know if it's seen

3172
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:57,416
 as being

3173
00:55:57,416 --> 00:55:58,333
 mindfulness, but

3174
00:55:58,333 --> 00:55:59,500
 Eckhart Tolle,

3175
00:55:59,500 --> 00:56:00,166
 The Power of Now

3176
00:56:00,166 --> 00:56:02,708
 is a huge,

3177
00:56:04,250 --> 00:56:04,958
 I've done it

3178
00:56:04,958 --> 00:56:06,333
 twice now and so

3179
00:56:06,333 --> 00:56:07,041
 twelve hours long

3180
00:56:07,041 --> 00:56:07,458
 and audible

3181
00:56:07,458 --> 00:56:08,833
 because I can't

3182
00:56:08,833 --> 00:56:09,333
 sit and read.

3183
00:56:10,166 --> 00:56:13,708
 I'm interested that that's a

3184
00:56:13,708 --> 00:56:14,291
 profound

3185
00:56:14,291 --> 00:56:15,541
 human being.

3186
00:56:15,541 --> 00:56:17,041
 They're still

3187
00:56:17,041 --> 00:56:18,500
 giving us all so

3188
00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:19,291
 much stuff today.

3189
00:56:20,375 --> 00:56:21,250
 And then Galang

3190
00:56:21,250 --> 00:56:22,666
 Tupdens Amongst

3191
00:56:22,666 --> 00:56:22,916
 Guide to

3192
00:56:22,916 --> 00:56:23,291
 Happiness,

3193
00:56:24,333 --> 00:56:25,958
 you know, like

3194
00:56:25,958 --> 00:56:27,166
 Tupden is 30

3195
00:56:27,166 --> 00:56:28,083
 years as a

3196
00:56:28,083 --> 00:56:29,541
 practicing monk,

3197
00:56:30,166 --> 00:56:31,041
 you know, sat six

3198
00:56:31,041 --> 00:56:31,416
 years in

3199
00:56:31,416 --> 00:56:32,583
 retreats, taught

3200
00:56:32,583 --> 00:56:33,208
 all over the

3201
00:56:33,208 --> 00:56:34,416
 world to all the

3202
00:56:34,416 --> 00:56:35,166
 largest companies

3203
00:56:35,166 --> 00:56:37,000
 to

3204
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,125
 thousands of people.

3205
00:56:39,208 --> 00:56:39,916
 He again is a

3206
00:56:39,916 --> 00:56:40,541
 profound human

3207
00:56:40,541 --> 00:56:41,916
 being that I

3208
00:56:41,916 --> 00:56:42,333
 would recommend

3209
00:56:42,333 --> 00:56:44,916
 anybody to read

3210
00:56:44,916 --> 00:56:45,375
 his book.

3211
00:56:47,083 --> 00:56:47,291
 Perfect.

3212
00:56:47,916 --> 00:56:48,458
 If someone is

3213
00:56:48,458 --> 00:56:50,041
 skeptical about

3214
00:56:50,041 --> 00:56:50,541
 meditation,

3215
00:56:51,083 --> 00:56:51,750
 what's the first

3216
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:52,125
 thing they

3217
00:56:52,125 --> 00:56:52,708
 should try?

3218
00:56:54,208 --> 00:56:54,416
 Meditation.

3219
00:56:55,458 --> 00:56:55,875
 Fair enough.

3220
00:56:57,958 --> 00:56:58,916
 That's all you

3221
00:56:58,916 --> 00:56:59,333
 could do really

3222
00:56:59,333 --> 00:57:00,250
 is just

3223
00:57:00,250 --> 00:57:01,500
 practice it.

3224
00:57:01,500 --> 00:57:01,833
 You're already

3225
00:57:01,833 --> 00:57:02,166
 breathing.

3226
00:57:02,833 --> 00:57:04,125
 You're just

3227
00:57:04,125 --> 00:57:04,875
 paying attention

3228
00:57:04,875 --> 00:57:05,541
 to breath as

3229
00:57:05,541 --> 00:57:06,166
 opposed to just

3230
00:57:06,166 --> 00:57:06,500
 breathing

3231
00:57:06,500 --> 00:57:07,750
 normally without

3232
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:08,458
 paying attention.

3233
00:57:09,291 --> 00:57:09,541
 Yeah.

3234
00:57:09,916 --> 00:57:10,083
 OK.

3235
00:57:10,541 --> 00:57:11,375
 And last one,

3236
00:57:11,375 --> 00:57:12,166
 what is the

3237
00:57:12,166 --> 00:57:13,208
 biggest mistake

3238
00:57:13,208 --> 00:57:14,208
 people make with

3239
00:57:14,208 --> 00:57:14,958
 meditation when

3240
00:57:14,958 --> 00:57:15,541
 they first start?

3241
00:57:16,791 --> 00:57:18,041
 So this one, I

3242
00:57:18,041 --> 00:57:20,291
 think people

3243
00:57:20,291 --> 00:57:23,208
 expect their

3244
00:57:23,208 --> 00:57:24,500
 thoughts to stop.

3245
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:26,916
 And because they

3246
00:57:26,916 --> 00:57:27,833
 haven't stopped,

3247
00:57:28,500 --> 00:57:29,583
 they think

3248
00:57:29,583 --> 00:57:29,875
 they're

3249
00:57:29,875 --> 00:57:30,458
 doing it wrong.

3250
00:57:31,958 --> 00:57:32,208
 Now,

3251
00:57:33,708 --> 00:57:34,875
 it's like going.

3252
00:57:36,500 --> 00:57:37,333
 I use this train

3253
00:57:37,333 --> 00:57:37,916
 to the plane

3254
00:57:37,916 --> 00:57:38,625
 analogy for lots

3255
00:57:38,625 --> 00:57:39,291
 of things really

3256
00:57:39,291 --> 00:57:39,875
 in life.

3257
00:57:41,833 --> 00:57:42,208
 When we're in the

3258
00:57:42,208 --> 00:57:42,625
 train is

3259
00:57:42,625 --> 00:57:43,208
 everything's like

3260
00:57:43,208 --> 00:57:44,125
 fast, right?

3261
00:57:44,750 --> 00:57:45,083
 Everything was

3262
00:57:45,083 --> 00:57:45,791
 super fast.

3263
00:57:46,250 --> 00:57:46,791
 You look at the

3264
00:57:46,791 --> 00:57:47,166
 window of a

3265
00:57:47,166 --> 00:57:47,750
 train, you'll see

3266
00:57:47,750 --> 00:57:48,250
 something for a

3267
00:57:48,250 --> 00:57:48,916
 split second.

3268
00:57:48,916 --> 00:57:49,125
 Right.

3269
00:57:49,166 --> 00:57:49,541
 Go on.

3270
00:57:49,541 --> 00:57:50,083
 Go on.

3271
00:57:51,208 --> 00:57:51,583
 When you're in a

3272
00:57:51,583 --> 00:57:52,958
 plane, we

3273
00:57:52,958 --> 00:57:53,625
 go faster.

3274
00:57:54,166 --> 00:57:55,041
 Right.

3275
00:57:55,041 --> 00:57:55,541
 We have a better

3276
00:57:55,541 --> 00:57:56,416
 view and

3277
00:57:56,416 --> 00:57:56,708
 everything

3278
00:57:56,708 --> 00:57:57,458
 looks slower.

3279
00:57:58,333 --> 00:57:59,000
 So how can we go

3280
00:57:59,000 --> 00:57:59,625
 faster in

3281
00:57:59,625 --> 00:58:00,750
 something but

3282
00:58:00,750 --> 00:58:01,208
 everything

3283
00:58:01,208 --> 00:58:01,833
 looks slower?

3284
00:58:01,833 --> 00:58:02,166
 Right.

3285
00:58:02,791 --> 00:58:03,958
 And it's because

3286
00:58:03,958 --> 00:58:05,416
 of where we are.

3287
00:58:06,208 --> 00:58:08,458
 So even though we

3288
00:58:08,458 --> 00:58:08,750
 still have

3289
00:58:08,750 --> 00:58:10,125
 thoughts when

3290
00:58:10,125 --> 00:58:10,708
 we're meditating.

3291
00:58:11,375 --> 00:58:11,666
 Yeah.

3292
00:58:12,583 --> 00:58:13,541
 We just ignore

3293
00:58:13,541 --> 00:58:14,125
 them and we've

3294
00:58:14,125 --> 00:58:14,666
 got a breath and

3295
00:58:14,666 --> 00:58:15,166
 they come and

3296
00:58:15,166 --> 00:58:15,500
 they go.

3297
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:16,333
 They come and

3298
00:58:16,333 --> 00:58:16,708
 they go.

3299
00:58:17,291 --> 00:58:17,916
 And we just got

3300
00:58:17,916 --> 00:58:18,541
 to ignore them.

3301
00:58:19,166 --> 00:58:19,541
 It doesn't mean

3302
00:58:19,541 --> 00:58:19,708
 we're

3303
00:58:19,708 --> 00:58:20,250
 doing it wrong.

3304
00:58:21,541 --> 00:58:22,333
 It just means

3305
00:58:22,333 --> 00:58:23,125
 that we're

3306
00:58:23,125 --> 00:58:23,500
 just human.

3307
00:58:24,083 --> 00:58:24,750
 And that's

3308
00:58:24,750 --> 00:58:25,250
 how it works.

3309
00:58:25,708 --> 00:58:26,041
 And allowing

3310
00:58:26,041 --> 00:58:29,375
 yourself the time

3311
00:58:29,375 --> 00:58:30,875
 really to have

3312
00:58:30,875 --> 00:58:32,166
 your intuition.

3313
00:58:32,166 --> 00:58:33,125
 Take place

3314
00:58:33,125 --> 00:58:34,125
 because sometimes

3315
00:58:34,125 --> 00:58:34,791
 you'll think of

3316
00:58:34,791 --> 00:58:35,291
 things that

3317
00:58:35,291 --> 00:58:35,750
 you've been going

3318
00:58:35,750 --> 00:58:36,375
 so fast.

3319
00:58:36,375 --> 00:58:36,833
 You didn't even

3320
00:58:36,833 --> 00:58:37,416
 have time to

3321
00:58:37,416 --> 00:58:38,041
 think of.

3322
00:58:38,500 --> 00:58:39,000
 You think of

3323
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:39,291
 something.

3324
00:58:39,291 --> 00:58:39,583
 You might not

3325
00:58:39,583 --> 00:58:40,375
 have your best

3326
00:58:40,375 --> 00:58:41,125
 idea you've ever

3327
00:58:41,125 --> 00:58:42,500
 had that has been

3328
00:58:42,500 --> 00:58:43,083
 traveling around

3329
00:58:43,083 --> 00:58:43,708
 in 80,000

3330
00:58:43,708 --> 00:58:44,250
 thoughts every

3331
00:58:44,250 --> 00:58:44,791
 single day and

3332
00:58:44,791 --> 00:58:45,250
 then moving so

3333
00:58:45,250 --> 00:58:45,916
 fast you can't

3334
00:58:45,916 --> 00:58:46,375
 grab it.

3335
00:58:46,375 --> 00:58:47,250
 And then all of a

3336
00:58:47,250 --> 00:58:47,791
 sudden you slow

3337
00:58:47,791 --> 00:58:48,333
 them down and

3338
00:58:48,333 --> 00:58:49,666
 there it is.

3339
00:58:49,666 --> 00:58:50,166
 Actually, I'll

3340
00:58:50,166 --> 00:58:50,666
 hold on to that

3341
00:58:50,666 --> 00:58:51,208
 thought.

3342
00:58:51,208 --> 00:58:53,250
 So I think that's

3343
00:58:53,250 --> 00:58:53,500
 the one

3344
00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:54,208
 thing for me.

3345
00:58:54,208 --> 00:58:55,625
 People think that

3346
00:58:55,625 --> 00:58:56,166
 the world is

3347
00:58:56,166 --> 00:58:57,166
 going to stop and

3348
00:58:57,166 --> 00:58:58,375
 it doesn't.

3349
00:58:58,375 --> 00:58:59,583
 It's just you

3350
00:58:59,583 --> 00:59:00,333
 going into a

3351
00:59:00,333 --> 00:59:00,916
 present moment.

3352
00:59:02,208 --> 00:59:03,333
 That is the

3353
00:59:03,333 --> 00:59:04,083
 perfect place to

3354
00:59:04,083 --> 00:59:04,875
 end, I think.

3355
00:59:06,250 --> 00:59:07,166
 Simon, where can

3356
00:59:07,166 --> 00:59:08,041
 people find you

3357
00:59:08,041 --> 00:59:09,375
 in Sampton if

3358
00:59:09,375 --> 00:59:10,000
 they want to

3359
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:10,875
 explore the app

3360
00:59:10,875 --> 00:59:11,208
 further?

3361
00:59:12,250 --> 00:59:12,666
 So you can find

3362
00:59:12,666 --> 00:59:13,500
 us on the App

3363
00:59:13,500 --> 00:59:14,208
 Store and

3364
00:59:14,208 --> 00:59:14,833
 Google Store.

3365
00:59:15,375 --> 00:59:16,125
 Just look for

3366
00:59:16,125 --> 00:59:16,583
 Sampton.

3367
00:59:16,958 --> 00:59:17,416
 Sampton.

3368
00:59:17,416 --> 00:59:18,833
 I think they'll

3369
00:59:18,833 --> 00:59:19,583
 download us.

3370
00:59:19,583 --> 00:59:20,208
 We have a new

3371
00:59:20,208 --> 00:59:20,541
 version

3372
00:59:20,541 --> 00:59:20,875
 of the app.

3373
00:59:20,875 --> 00:59:21,458
 Come in as well

3374
00:59:21,458 --> 00:59:21,750
 shortly.

3375
00:59:22,208 --> 00:59:24,458
 And then you can

3376
00:59:24,458 --> 00:59:25,458
 find us at my

3377
00:59:25,458 --> 00:59:26,500
 Sampton.com,

3378
00:59:27,500 --> 00:59:28,333
 which is our

3379
00:59:28,333 --> 00:59:29,125
 website, which

3380
00:59:29,125 --> 00:59:29,458
 will tell you

3381
00:59:29,458 --> 00:59:30,083
 more about how we

3382
00:59:30,083 --> 00:59:30,541
 work with

3383
00:59:30,541 --> 00:59:32,000
 education sector,

3384
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:32,708
 how we work with

3385
00:59:32,708 --> 00:59:34,083
 the corporate

3386
00:59:34,083 --> 00:59:34,750
 business world

3387
00:59:34,750 --> 00:59:35,708
 and people.

3388
00:59:36,666 --> 00:59:37,208
 And you'll also

3389
00:59:37,208 --> 00:59:38,041
 find us on

3390
00:59:38,041 --> 00:59:39,333
 Instagram where

3391
00:59:39,333 --> 00:59:40,083
 you'll find us on

3392
00:59:40,083 --> 00:59:40,708
 there under my

3393
00:59:40,708 --> 00:59:41,500
 Sampton as well.

3394
00:59:42,375 --> 00:59:42,791
 So yeah, feel

3395
00:59:42,791 --> 00:59:43,458
 free to join our

3396
00:59:43,458 --> 00:59:43,958
 community.

3397
00:59:44,750 --> 00:59:45,583
 You can sign up.

3398
00:59:45,583 --> 00:59:46,291
 We produce

3399
00:59:46,291 --> 00:59:47,166
 newsletters, etc.

3400
00:59:48,166 --> 00:59:49,291
 And for myself,

3401
00:59:49,291 --> 00:59:50,041
 you can find me

3402
00:59:50,041 --> 00:59:52,083
 as Simon Dalv on

3403
00:59:52,083 --> 00:59:55,250
 LinkedIn, where I

3404
00:59:55,250 --> 00:59:56,166
 probably put a

3405
00:59:56,166 --> 00:59:56,708
 lot of content

3406
00:59:56,708 --> 00:59:58,250
 out and I'm happy

3407
00:59:58,250 --> 00:59:58,791
 to speak to

3408
00:59:58,791 --> 00:59:59,375
 anybody who might

3409
00:59:59,375 --> 00:59:59,791
 want some more

3410
00:59:59,791 --> 01:00:00,208
 information.

3411
01:00:01,416 --> 01:00:01,625
 Perfect.

3412
01:00:01,625 --> 01:00:02,166
 We'll be sure to

3413
01:00:02,166 --> 01:00:03,250
 link all of those

3414
01:00:03,250 --> 01:00:04,833
 links in the

3415
01:00:04,833 --> 01:00:05,208
 show notes.

3416
01:00:06,041 --> 01:00:06,625
 Simon, thank you

3417
01:00:06,625 --> 01:00:07,125
 so much for

3418
01:00:07,125 --> 01:00:08,000
 coming on today.

3419
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:08,500
 It was an

3420
01:00:08,500 --> 01:00:08,791
 insightful

3421
01:00:08,791 --> 01:00:10,208
 conversation and

3422
01:00:10,208 --> 01:00:10,916
 I look forward to

3423
01:00:10,916 --> 01:00:11,375
 having another

3424
01:00:11,375 --> 01:00:11,750
 one soon.

3425
01:00:12,250 --> 01:00:12,500
 Lovely.

3426
01:00:12,500 --> 01:00:12,958
 Thank you, Rob.

3427
01:00:13,250 --> 01:00:13,666
 Appreciate it.

3428
01:00:13,666 --> 01:00:14,000
 Appreciate

3429
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:14,291
 the invite.