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Everyone, welcome to another episode of the Making Creative Marketing Podcast.

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Yeah, I was feeling a little frisky today. I'm not typically recording this

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podcast at my normal time,

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which would be in the the four or 5 a.m. range.

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But today it is yet 11:30 a.m.. And if you're watching the video version of this, because we have been recording the last couple of videos

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of the podcast, but

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I am drinking what appears to be

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a alcoholic beverage, but

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I'm here to tell you it is a nonalcoholic beer.

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yeah, once you have kids and that, that'll do it for you.

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And

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when you wake up as early as I am with you, eat lunch by 11 and there's nothing better than

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a lunch beer sometimes. So

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yeah, if

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athletic brew is out there and looking for a sponsorship opportunity,

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I can tell you where you would find one right here. Okay, guys,

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I know I feel maybe a little off

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base of of usual, but I promise I'm going to rally here.

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Okay.

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Today's episode Best practices for Creating your digital download. All right, so

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maybe you already have one.

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You've you've made a digital download. You went to Canva, you saw something, and you're like, Hey, all these people created a digital download that connects my business. Do all this stuff right?

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Or you've used a digital download from somewhere else, somebody else, and you're like, this is pretty good.

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I should do this for myself.

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And maybe you created it and you didn't quite get the results you were looking for.

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there's some reasons. So

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in this episode, we're going to do that because, trust me, you're. You're not alone. I have created

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a lot of digital downloads that have not performed well.

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And then it took me some time to really kind of come up with these because

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as I was making this latest one for for the bakery company,

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we really had to like, dig into this.

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And I was like, listen, like, what makes this like, the best

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the best out there, right? Like, how can I really position

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this quote unquote, free digital download that I'll be giving away on my website, you know, promoting on the podcast and on social. Like how do I make it to more for my business

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right?

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Because that's all we want, right?

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Like, we want to invest in quality.

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We want to put our best foot forward as business owners, as marketers. We want to we want to show the value that we hope to provide past

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the free digital download.

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So

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here we go.

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All right. So

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my mindset for this in like the preface of this point is you're creating a digital product, right?

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You are creating a product,

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not just a digital download

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this. This should be worth money. Like,

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that was like one of the biggest things, you know,

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when we were building it, when, you know, we've helped our clients build them as part of their marketing strategy,

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it always seemed to be like, Okay, let's just do this real quick, right?

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Like it was it was a real rush to get it to happen.

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And that was such a mistake because, you know, yes, it was part of the strategy, but we didn't really go deep enough. We didn't really think about what it could do for us and what it was doing for us,

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and to us, right to our business and our reputation, giving away a free product.

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Because like, you know, you've seen every

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ecommerce store out there

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has their, they're their pop up is just,

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Hey, guys, would you like 10% off your next order? Give us your email and then sign up for our SMS feature and then we'll text it to you. Right. Like they kind of get everybody with that. So like, they don't really have to be very creative

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with a digital download.

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They just give you a discount code and they're like, All right,

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done.

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So

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how do we be better than that? How can we create one

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that does

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better for us in various ways? We're kind of going to go over that. But

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sticking with the mindset as we sit down to create it, maybe we're sitting down to envision it right, because maybe we did already create it and it's not performing as well as we had hoped.

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It's we are actually like this should be worth value. So the time that you have invested in this should be worth something, right? Like it should be getting them from point A to point B and that is what you're selling. You are selling,

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Hey, this will do this for you. Okay.

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And illustrating that, like, hey, like this is really this is what it's going to do

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if you do this.

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And I think hammering the point home of

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you're building a product like if I were to sell this right,

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what would I sell it for? Like, am I really giving it away? And if you were to sit down and not just put, you know, a value on the time that you've put into making this product,

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but also into the time that it's going to save them and what it's going to do for it.

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If you start staying in the mindset of, Hey, this is a product that I'm going to have to market it,

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it's going to change the way that you create this digital download.

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And so that's really

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the value, you know, that I want you to, you know, approach this digital download with is like, hey, like this is a product, it is worth money.

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I did spend a lot of time on this. I didn't just like spend 20 minutes in Canva, come up with some nice looking PDF

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and just stick it up there, right? Like you want it to do more and

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why? Okay, so we'll get into that

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ease of use.

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There's so many times like maybe you did it the the down and dirty way where you went to Canva.

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You use basically a free software. You made it a PDF, and then you used

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a free version of whether it's

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MailChimp or something else, where the digital download,

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you know, is kind of clunky, right? Like it's a plug in on your website or it's embedded and it doesn't appear right and it definitely doesn't look like or look right on mobile, but it looks nice on desktop, you know, because it gives you only the, the desktop looking templates.

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And so it's definitely not optimized for for mobile, which everybody is on 90% of all users.

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And

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so that doesn't perform well.

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Okay. So ease of use goes also into like the user interface. Like how easy is it for you to sign up for this digital download? If it's not easy, then they're not going to do it

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even if they really want it.

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And so

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that goes into like, Hey, like you really do need to sometimes pay for the service to make it an easier deliverable

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depending on the email platform that you use for like your newsletters and offers and stuff like that.

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They are better streamlined versions to be able to do that.

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And I know a lot of people have like there's like little things that each platform does, right?

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Like if you sign up for this digital download, you're automatically, you know, that little check box down there

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signing up to receive additional email and promotion offers from this company. Right. Like that's automatically clicked. And I know a couple of my clients were asking for that. Like I want them to auto opt in, like I want it to be pre-selected

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in.

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Those are features that you have to pay for it. Like you just don't get those out of the box. So

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and also the ease of use is like everything from the download. So like for example, they see the download, they want it, they put in the information

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you have to kind of set the bar pretty low for the information that you're gathering.

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So like name an email pretty standard. If as soon as you start adding like phone number and all that other stuff, like those people are like, it's free. I'm not giving you

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that information. Right? You the stakes need to be higher.

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So

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make the entry of the data, you know, collection, whatever it is that you're giving away for this

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relatively easy, simple.

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Again, it needs to appear well on mobile. Like, I don't know how much. Hey, I'm going to stress that over this

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short session here, but

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making sure that this is optimized for Mobile first

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is going to be a game changer. So

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it will talk about more that right now in this like download phase so you automatically go through they they want this downloaded they enter their information

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they hit download

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it can either automatically download right.

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So as soon as they click submit, you can have it automatically execute and download the file

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or it's delivered via your email service. Okay, so they've entered it in and then some sort of message appears in the box that says like, Hey, congratulations,

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check your inbox for this. Right?

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Because I depending on the age group, they don't know where to find it, right?

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They didn't see the little icon in their browser pop up. This is a download available here. It's successfully downloaded.

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I've had that where

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I don't know why, but the older generation, obviously they click on it and they don't see that it's it's been downloaded.

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It just doesn't appear for them. So having some sort of on screen communication to make sure like, hey, it is successfully been delivered to you and here's where it is, here's how you can find it.

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So let's say they go to their email, they open it up

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and inside there it can't just be it shouldn't just be the digital download. There should be some supporting document to this. So

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staying in line with that same thought process of like, here's the product. If this if you had sold this product and you want good reviews of it.

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Right. And you get that's the other thing

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we'll talk about that later. Reviews on the free digital product.

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This this needs to be supported right Like you need to offer support for this. You need to have supporting documents like videos. So like if you're in the video world,

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editing world, anything like that, like if you are on Etsy and you download some graphics, there's typically supporting documents, meaning like there's here, here's a tutorial of how to use it.

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If you're using this application, if you're doing this,

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you know, just clearly explaining all of the dumb steps, like if you were in second grade and I remember this and the teacher gave me the prompt is like, Hey, you need to come up with

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creating a user manual for something, but you can pick whatever it is.

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And so I decided that I was going to be really clever and I decided that I was going to do something really easy, like peanut butter and jelly sandwich, how to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

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And I made it really short. I made it really easy.

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I was like, Man, I mean, you nailed this. And I felt it.

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She was like, okay, but like, what? Knife? How much butter goes on the knife? How do I spread it? And like, all of this stuff, right? So

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delivering this level of support and this level of

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understanding

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of the product

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is going to go into the overall branding and perception of what this person is going to get

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if

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they were to move forward and receive a paid service from you.

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So this might sound like overkill because I've done the down and dirty and it doesn't work. It really doesn't.

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But putting this level of attention and detail into these free products will pay off in the end.

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Promise.

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So ease of use. And one thing for this is like

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this is to be a quick win. Okay? So like from

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the the user interface in which you use for this digital download

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to the application that you were using to design it and render it.

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And so like if you were to render it, export it, whatever it is,

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whatever that file extension, whatever that platform is

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to be able to edit, it is a thing like ease of use. How easily can

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I download this, open it in X, y, z platform and then can I easily modify it like is it is it made to be able to be modified for my business or for me personally?

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Like these are all things that go into, you know, the product engineering

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of your free digital download. So

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ease of use very important. Make sure as you're walking through these steps you're thinking like, Hey, can this be easier? Can this be easier? Because I tell you what,

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if you if you set up all of these steps and you're actually tracking all these, you'll see a large fall off at a certain point.

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And that's probably because there's too much friction there

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in your requiring, you know, your potential audience to do too much to get this free digital download because

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it is free. But we are trying to do more than just give them some quick little dirty template. We really do want to provide value.

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And so that's why all these additional steps

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are put in place now.

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Marketing your digital downloads. Yes, just like I said in the very first part,

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you have to treat this like an actual product, so therefore

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you're going to have to market it. Okay.

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And

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you're like, Kirk, this is I've already sunk so much time into this free digital download. Yes, you're getting names and emails and you shouldn't just wait for the names and emails to start marketing your product or your business.

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It should be done throughout every step of the way. How do I do that? Well,

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marketing this digital downloading is great because if you are going to sync all of this time, money and effort

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and revisions and updates to this free digital download,

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it should also do something for your business. So if you market it, okay,

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on your podcast, on social, on your YouTube, on your whatever it is, like

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if you can take this, it can be one of the best lead generators for you.

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Okay. It's it's really maybe not the first interaction your audience has with your business, but it could be one of the first real ones in which they've taken an active action to engage and activate with your business. So

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think about that.

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But in this marketing,

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if you do it right and it performs well organically, Okay, So like if you mentioned it on your podcast and you mention it on social and you put those links out there and you consistently do that maybe once a week, okay?

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And you get a good conversion rate, like a good click through rate where people are,

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they hear it, they click it, they see it, they download it, and you're like, I'm getting signups organically, meaning you're not paying for this

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if it's converting well, organically, then that's probably a good indicator for you that like, Hey,

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this, we should put some money behind this.

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Now if you go that route.

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I do. I do agree that this should be something that you should be putting out there to to maybe a cold audience

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just because it's a great way to get get out there like you're giving away something for free. You can put some like basic

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interests in their

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ads. That'll be a whole different topic.

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But essentially running ads for this, I would always run AB testing for this where literally all you're doing is saying like,

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Hey, this is what I've struggled with. I came up with this free digital download. This is what it is like. You're not giving them any more or less than what it really is.

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And so you run this ad if it's if it's run right and you do it with video,

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your cost per click should be like maybe under a dollar.

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So you might successfully be paying a dollar for a lead, right? Like that. That's pretty good

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with the ability to remarket later if you're getting their email.

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So

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really just like

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realize the capabilities of what this, you know digital product could do digital download could do for your business

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as you're designing. All of this needs to be taken into account.

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So

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you're looking at marketing it, you're putting it out there organically.

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Hey, I've got some ads out there like I'm running it.

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It does come with revisions. So like when I said run AB tests on it, it's really good

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to test. Obviously like one thing at a time. So

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if you're really getting into the mind of your avatar

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and you're thinking like, okay, like what words

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not only

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actively describe it

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but depict the solution and problems that they're having or, you know, the problem that they're having in the solution that they're wanting

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in the feeling that it gives you.

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So like all of those things are very good

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clickbait

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or actionable

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verbiage that people would act on, right? Like they want that feeling. They want that solution.

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That's that's something that in AB testing you can learn a lot about it and as you get that feedback, so like let's say you run it for two weeks

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AB testing your free digital download and you're testing the title.

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What I would do is after you've done that, maybe update

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some of the verbiage that you're using organically, like actually in the document

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and changing that and just making making sure that you note that because as you go through and as you update this,

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it will not only pay dividends and like lowering your cost per click and cost per lead, but it will also start gearing you towards your avatar

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and what you know, they react to.

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So

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just keep that in mind as you're creating this digital download

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and starting to run ads on it, like use use ads as a chance to test

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a lot of different things, like test the image one time, test the title, test the additional copy, you know, test the display, you know, better news feeds, better and reels, you know, like really get very, very analytical about it.

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Because if there's one thing that I've really learned in business and in marketing is like the better that you can be boring, the better you're going to do in business. Like it's

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if you can do the boring, work the best and consistently like you, it's

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you're going to be miles ahead of everybody else. You can be as creative as you want, but if nobody knows who you are and you can't accurately depict your message that you're you're going to be lost to the birds.

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So,

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okay, last one

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always include a call to action. So you've done all of this work, okay? You've made it easy to use,

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you've envisioned it and actually put real value behind this product because it is a product

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and you've given away for a relatively free for their contact information and the opportunity to remarket to them

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so much in the same way that I've said it before, like don't wait until you've successfully given them this to start retargeting once their emails captured.

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Continue to retarget and market yourself

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in the actual product. Okay, so

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within it, as you're putting this support stuff in there, as you are putting in your promises of what this will do for them,

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let them know what it will not do,

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right? Let it, let it, let them know when

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the extent of the useful free digital download is no longer going to help them.

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Because when you do that, okay,

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let's just say you're in the mindset of your avatar and you're like, Hey, I think

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I need a better content calendar. Okay, I haven't found one that I like that's esthetically pleasing and simple,

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easy to use, easy to plug and play and works well with one of the different applications and softwares that I use,

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whether it's notion or air table or just Google Docs.

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Like

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all of that kind of comes into play

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and you can offer variations of that. That's very useful

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if they cannot find the solution that they're looking for,

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for free,

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they will go somewhere else and pay for it. Okay. So like as you're thinking about the ease of use, as you're thinking about the value, as you're thinking about all this stuff,

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yes, you're giving this away for free.

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But if you don't deliver on the ease of use and like usability of it,

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I've even I've done it. I've looked for a digital product

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and I'm like, you know what? I'm just going to go pay for it. It's easier. They tell me exactly what I'm going to get in this free version because

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there's a value attached to it.

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I assume that they're going to be able to solve my problem, right? Like it tells me like, Hey, this is exactly what this is going to do.

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So

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tell them where

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the end of your digital product stops. Okay? But also tell them where your paid service begins

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because

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not only will they do that,

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they might take an additional step, right?

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So like if you get your content calendar and they're like, this just seems like a lot.

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But in there you plug whether it's in text, whether it's in your tutorial video, whether it's, you know, overlaid,

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you know, as an example like this is a good a good idea

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whether it's overlaid as an example

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of this right.

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So inside your content calendar,

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it's a blank template.

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Here you go below it would be like, here is what a digital calendar would look like

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for one of my clients that we consult with to help them design their digital strategy,

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tie

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in, make that maybe if you already have that, great, just take it from one of your clients and throw it in there.

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And so that's one of the things that I've always really believed in is like, Hey, if I use this tool.

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So like, I love notion. Notion is what I use for a lot of my stuff, like personally in business.

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And so I design a lot of templates in there. And if I'm,

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you know, if I'm thinking like, Hey, I'm going to design this digital download

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and it's not part of what I would use on a daily basis, don't design it.

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I promise. Like

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you won't you won't value it

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unless you've found value in it within your business first, and then you're like, Hey, like I can really attest to how great this is, and I use this on a daily basis because when you go to market it organically

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on different social channels or wherever

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it's going to be, like

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the authenticity is going to come through like 100%.

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The authenticity in which you talk about your free digital product will come through and people will believe you based off of it. So

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make sure you see the value in this

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before you go out and just

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slap it up there and be like, Hey, And then you get feedback on it and you're like, Well, I don't really use it.

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So it's not it's not a big deal, right? Like if you're using this tool on a daily basis, the innovation design and feedback is going to be very easy to implement and it may automatically make your business better because you're going to improve your own product. And then when there is an update, you have a reason to reach back out to these people and say like, Hey, just so you know, I updated this tool.

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If you don't have the latest version, make sure you check it out.

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So just give it gives you so much more potential

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to make additional contact. So

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before I wrap this up, here's my last little tidbit. Okay.

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If you're giving away this free digital download, make sure there is like a follow up email sequence. Okay, So

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the sign up for this digital email, it's automatically delivered to them in a very timely manner

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immediately, if at all possible,

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and

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if it's delivered through your email and they have to open the email, obviously you're going to know that trigger is like, Hey, they've opened this email and they've made this click okay, like that's tracked

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afterwards.

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Give them some amount of time, but reach back out and say like,

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Hey, was this digital download useful?

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If it was right,

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give them something else. How maybe in the next email sequence hey, here's a video on how I'd use it within my business. Okay. And then the one after that.

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Hey, were you able to watch that video?

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Has it made a difference in your business?

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And then like the third one, right.

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I know it's a lot, but if you could and if you found value in my free digital download,

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could you leave me a review so others would know that there is value in what I offer,

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something like that.

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And then take those reviews just like regular product

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and put them on your website and that will ten acts the amount of downloads that you get, because other people would be like, Hey, this is a free tool and it was great.

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Like I use it on a daily basis now. It's now part of an integral

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piece of my business that I use to X, Y, and Z.

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Okay, So

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I know that was a lot about a free digital download that you were probably not ready for, But

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I have a lot of strong feelings on that

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because I just I did it as well.

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Like it you know this I'm releasing this like 50 content prompts

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for your business and

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creating content.

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And it was a lot harder than I thought. Like if you're getting ready to like, dive into this,

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I'm not sure how many hours I've sunk into this and how many times I've revamped

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the usability. So

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trust me, I even I was like,

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I'm going to make this and it's going to be very usable.

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And then I was like, But what if somebody wanted to keep track of these better? Like which ones they've done?

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If I put it in a PDF, they can't just, you know, cross it off.

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What if they don't have a notion account, right?

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I love notion, but what if they don't have it?

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So I was like, you know what?

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I'm going to make a notion version and then I'm going to make a Google Drive version or like a

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Google Excel spreadsheet.

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And so that's I made variations of the same thing to include all in the same downloads. So if you're making variation, you can include all those like zip those files

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and then put them out there. That's that's a whole nother story.

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We've been talking about zip files and whether people are smart enough to unzip them.

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That's still up for debate. But

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guys, we'll wrap it up there. I know I just got banter left. So

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needless to say. Guys, thanks so much for stopping by and we'll see you on the next one.