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Welcome to Hip Hop Movie Club, the show

that harmonizes the rhythm of hip hop with

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the magic of movies.

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Today we're discussing Underdoggs, the

newly released comedy starring the one and

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only Snoop Dogg.

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We are three old heads who put their old

heads together to vibe on these films for

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you.

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I'm DynoWright, podcaster, filmmaker,

longtime hip hop fan, and Charles Stone

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III, the director of this film, changed my

life.

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He directed the video where I Left My

Wallet in El Segundo, A Tribe Called

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Quest, which cemented me as a hip hop fan

for life.

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I'm JB, 80s and 90s nostalgia junkie, long

time hip hop fan, and my favorite hip hop

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collective is the Native Tongues, which

included a crew that has the same nickname

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as I do, the JB's.

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I'm BooGie, a DJ, long time hip hop fan,

and I stand with Jay-Z in his acceptance

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speech for the Dr.

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Dre Global Impact Award at the Grammys.

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He said what he said.

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In this episode, we'll answer the

question, is Underdoggs an instant classic

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sports underdog film?

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And we'll give you five key takeaways to

make you a smarter hip hop movie fan.

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Underdoggs with two G's is the story of

Jaycen "Two Js" Jennings, a former NFL

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superstar wide receiver who was sentenced

to community service and decides to coach

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a rough-and-tumble, ragtag youth football

team as a means to help regain his

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popularity and post-playing career

opportunities.

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Alright, let's dig in here.

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First of our five key takeaways is, Snoop

Dogg is still likeable and funny, even

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while playing a conceited, self-centered,

arrogant former athlete.

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Let me kick it to you, DynoWright.

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What are your thoughts around that topic?

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Sure.

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So football was the case that they gave

him.

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He had run into some problems in the

courtroom and he was sentenced to

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community service and he decides to

fulfill the debt to society he was gonna

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coach a youth football team.

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And he was fun to watch, even if he was a

real self-centered jerk.

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Yeah, I agree.

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The fact that he could pull it off, being

a self-centered jerk, a former athlete

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with no other really redeeming qualities

except that he's Snoop Dogg in real life,

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that I was still laughing at him.

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He was quick-witted.

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He always had a quick quip.

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He snapped back at anybody that would, you

know, try to degrade him, even the kids,

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other colleagues, former colleagues.

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Yeah, Snoop did a great job.

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He had a lot of dialogue and it all went

really smoothly.

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He just says everything that Snoop touches

goes smoothly pretty much.

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BooGie, what are your thoughts on Snoop

Dogg being likable and funny even in this

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role?

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Nah, he was funny.

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He was like somebody's crazy uncle that

just woke up one morning and said, you

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know what, I'm gonna coach a football

team.

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And had no clue of what it took to be a

coach.

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I mean, his whole experience with football

was from the player side.

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And he decided to just go on down there

and give it a shot because he wanted to

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improve his image.

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But the way he was showing up, it had me

cracking up because he's showing up and

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he's got these like head to toe Fendi

suits on.

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his metallic gold G-Wagon Mercedes Benz

with the sun.

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Like when we first pulled up, the kids

couldn't even see the light was hitting

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them and I was like, what the heck is

going on?

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Like, in a way, in a conversation, I mean,

even with the language though, some of the

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conversations between him and the kids had

me cracking up.

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I mean, I wasn't really into it.

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I tried to watch it.

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I watched it twice.

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The first time I started watching, I

wasn't into it.

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But the second time I started watching it

and I started listening to some of what

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they were saying.

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It was pretty funny because little kids, I

mean kids at that age, they're very quick

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witted.

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So the back and forth, you know, like they

were almost like snapping on each other

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back and forth, cracking jokes on one

another.

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And he was just letting them have it.

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Like he was giving it to them.

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Oh man.

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Classic Snoop stuff.

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yeah, classics do, I laughed at him.

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Of course there had to be a scene where he

was toking up with Mike Epps.

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That was par for the course.

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I had some issues obviously with his

character, but that's who he was.

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You know, he stayed true to himself the

entire time.

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My problem with him as an individual, like

not him, but Jaycen Jennings, "Two Js",

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was.

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Man, he was only out for himself and he

was kind of using the kids as a means to

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better his lot in life.

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He was at rock bottom after his playing

days were over and he was irrelevant and

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he was down on his luck and he was

literally using his kids to better

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himself.

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There's that part with his former high

school coach played by George Lopez with a

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ripped couch and a tiny office.

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I'm like, man, all that money he made.

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and he had such an affinity for his coach,

he couldn't pay to upgrade his facilities.

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I mean, that was off-putting a little bit

to me.

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Yeah, the couch I had duct tape on it.

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It wasn't there.

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problem with it.

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I mean, it's his money.

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He can do whatever he wants with it.

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He didn't want to pay for coach's couch.

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That's a coach's problem.

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I mean, if the coach had wanted it, I

think he could have made it happen.

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But I mean, you would think with his

career, I don't know if it was or not, but

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hopefully it should have been like Jaycen

Jennings Field and this complex, and they

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should have had state of the art

facilities.

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I know in real life, like by me, close to

Bethlehem PA, there's Liberty High School,

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Dwayne The Rock Johnson played there for

like a year or two.

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He shipped them all the latest gear.

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He upgraded their facilities.

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I mean, it seems like Jaycen Jennings, his

house was so lavish.

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statues of himself.

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Those are crazy too, with the big booty

and everything.

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With the...

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the big

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buttocks.

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I mean...

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Behind his bed, the arms raised, wings,

like he was an angel, I think.

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I mean, it would just be a drop in the

bucket to help out Coach.

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Air Jordan poster.

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That was funny.

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That made me laugh.

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so I took issue with it.

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But, so I think, BooGie, you alluded to

this, but like another takeaway is despite

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the warning at the beginning, which was

kind of a joke as well, it's rated R, and

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it said that the children's cursing,

because those MFers say what they wanna

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say, but the amount and the extent of the

children's cursing was alarming to me.

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So let me just talk briefly to that.

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I'll hand it over to you, DynoWright in a

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But as a father,

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It was hard for me to watch the kids just

straight up cursing the adults out, like

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literally saying like, F you.

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And I'm like, wow, is nothing sacred

anymore?

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And because of that, I think it would

prevent this movie from being a classic.

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Um, I just like, where's the discipline?

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Like you got to show these kids how to act

with a little more class.

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Now the vernacular, right?

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This is Long Beach.

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California and maybe a lot of people talk

that way, but if you want to mold someone

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to show a little bit more respect because

then they talk trash to each other,

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they're talking trash in a nasty way to

the other team like when they come out

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with that rallying call at the end.

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I was put off by that.

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What are your thoughts DynoWright?

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I had the opposite reaction.

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I thought The Warning was funny.

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It's a rated-R film, so that's what we're

in for.

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I'm not prepared to judge how profane kids

from Long Beach are.

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I've never been to Long Beach, which is

kind of the point of The Warning.

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This is how they are.

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And so it doesn't match up with our

sensibility, okay.

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But, you know, the...

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whether they act this way or not, I think

that was secondary to the point of the

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movie.

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And the point of the movie was you have

to, you have to put forth an effort and

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you have to believe in yourself.

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And so they did that.

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And so they accomplished that part of the

movie.

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The cursing was sort of secondary.

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Snoop said the cursing was real.

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And so I'm not here to debate Snoop on

whether the cursing was real or not,

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because that's where he lives and that's

not where I live.

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To do a no cursing story would, I thought,

miss the point of the emotional

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undercurrent that's in this film, which is

how they really feel.

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And these kids are disadvantaged, and so

to be tone police with them is not

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something I'm interested in.

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They've got real problems.

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The way they talk is the last of their,

the least of their problems.

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Point taken.

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I just think it detracts from the overall

film because this is for the masses.

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It's out there on, this was on Amazon

Prime and right or wrong, it's gonna be

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judged harshly because of that.

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And I would hope that it, I was hoping

that would maybe have a more lasting

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effect and be more of a classic going

forward like we see in some of these

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underdog stories.

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BooGie, what's your take on that with the

language?

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Yeah, I mean, I kind of rode the fence a

little bit.

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I mean, like I explained earlier, like the

first time I started watching it, I was

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like, what in the heck?

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Like I was almost turned off a little bit,

but then I went back and I watched it a

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second time and it was kind of like, all

right, you know, whatever.

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And then it kind of, I almost, I almost

didn't even hear it as much.

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But also to the point that DynoWright was

saying, I used to teach in New Brunswick

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and...

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the kids were about that age and they

definitely had some mouths on them.

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So, I mean, it was, in a sense, I guess

that would be, it was very real in that

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aspect, but I also see JB's point about it

going out to the masses.

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It could be off-putting for some people.

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Hopefully, you know, people do give it a

shot.

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Like I watched it the second time.

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and I was able to enjoy it because there

is a message there.

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And it's very clear.

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And I think even the end of the final

football game, the result wasn't what we

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all hoped for in a classic underdog story.

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But even though the result wasn't there,

the lasting effect with the team and how

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they were able to come together.

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That overall message was definitely

conveyed.

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Was that a spoiler alert or should we not

talk about the ending?

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I meant to bring that up.

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Yeah, just a little more on the language.

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So yeah, the language being harsh, I get

it.

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I get it in the sense that if this is how

they speak, it's how they speak.

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Don't sanitize things, I'm not all about

that.

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But I think there was some clear

disrespect from the children, you know,

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like, where's the respect for your elders?

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I swear that one kid, I think he said, F

you to Snoop Dogg at one point.

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And I'm like, there was no, you know,

yeah, I'm like, there's no repercussion

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for that?

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Like that should not be allowed.

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If somebody, like you would,

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I would never put a hand on a child, but I

would be in that kid's face like this, and

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I'd be shouting like, you know, you do not

speak with me.

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And I would bench that kid.

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That kid didn't even get benched, I don't

think.

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I mean, like, how is the kid going to

learn if they continually get away with

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that disrespect?

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That's what really bothered me is like,

the language was disrespectful, and you

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don't treat other people, you don't use

that language on other people.

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Especially...

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your elders.

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So like, I was like, you know, there's

gotta be, you gotta draw a line somewhere.

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That's my

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Yeah, I mean, like I said, like I've seen

that same exact language directed at

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teachers, but there was repercussions.

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I mean, it's not to say that the kids

didn't do it, they definitely I've seen

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it.

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I've seen it firsthand.

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But yeah, I do see I do agree that in the

sense of, you know, an extracurricular

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activity like football, you might want to

kind of put in there like

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you know, bench him or make him run an

extra lap or do some pushups or something.

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Yeah, definitely.

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If you're trying to mold these kids to be

productive members of society and overcome

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some of those challenges that they're

faced with, you have to show a little bit

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more class and respect for elders at the

bare minimum.

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So that's where it bothered me more so

than the language itself.

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So yeah, I thought that could have been

handled a little bit better.

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Um...

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Alright, I think we covered that topic

pretty well.

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I do have some other flaws, but the plot

we'll get to later, like in the final

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takeaway, but let's do something a little

bit more upbeat, humorous even.

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Mike Epps' character.

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He further cements himself as a zany

sidekick in these hip hop films.

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He's so good.

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He provides comic relief and every scene

he's in is very funny.

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And it's also based on real life

ex-gangsters that were coaching in Snoop's

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league.

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So that was kind of a nice nod to them to

use Mike Epps and his comedic talent for

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that was a nice touch.

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Really funny.

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Mike Epps has been in dozens and dozens of

these hip hop related or hip hop adjacent

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movies and he just crushes it like every

time.

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We saw him in a couple that we had done

like You People, On the Come Up and a few

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others.

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He steals scenes and this one he was

outrageous.

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He was just trying, he just wanted to tag

along with Snoop and be the assistant

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coach and like just bizarre.

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He would just

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ramble and say some incoherent things and

like when he first pulled up on Snoop like

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he had a gun to his head and he was just

like oh man and he kept forgetting that

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the safety wasn't on and Snoop's like are

you kidding me you know so it was wild and

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like he did provide some needed comic

relief.

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BooGie what are your thoughts on Mike Epps

as the assistant?

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Yeah, so if Snoop's character was the

crazy uncle, Mike Epps was the even

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crazier uncle.

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And he just like throughout the film

though, like his intentions were good.

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Like he definitely wanted to be

supportive, but he had no idea how to do

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it correctly.

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But he wanted to be there.

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Even something as simple as addressing the

crooked.

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the crooked referee, you know?

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Yeah, you wanna say something to him, but

the way he went about it.

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You know, it's little stuff like that.

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And like the scenes where he was always

trying to, he would always have that gun

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and it would not be, the safety wouldn't

be on, it was funny.

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But his antics throughout the film, you

know, made for some really funny scenes.

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And he just like, it's something about

him.

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Like he doesn't even have to say a joke.

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He just starts saying a regular sentence

and I'm cracking up because of the way he

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delivers it.

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Yeah, he was he was hysterical.

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Yep.

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Um, love Mike Epps in this one.

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So I think you mentioned also, DynoWright?

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The movie is based on the true story.

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Snoop's real life youth football league.

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So Snoop's done a lot in his community of

Long Beach, California, to help under

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privileged kids and create a youth

football program.

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And thousands upon thousands of kids have

come through.

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Some have played in the NFL.

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There was a little footnote epilogue at

the end that

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talked about that, that was a nice touch.

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Yeah.

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According to the film, 85,000 kids played

in this program.

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I think the website says another number,

but still that many kids coming through,

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20,000 of them went to college, which is

great.

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And even some NFL players that people have

heard of.

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So pretty cool.

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Yeah, I mean, I just saw an article just

last week where CJ Stroud mentions that

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his former football coach, Snoop Dogg has

been a blessing in his life.

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You know, CJ Stroud, for those who don't

know, he's the Houston Texans quarterback,

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but he played in Snoop Youth Football

League while he was living in Rancho

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Cucamonga, California while he was in

middle school.

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And even to this day, Snoop also has fond

memories of him as well.

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and referred to him as being laser, like

so laser-focused.

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He referred to him as being spiritual and

positive and just carrying that with him

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throughout the league.

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And they had nothing but kind of words to

say for one another, you know, something

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like, it's like, wow.

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Yeah, at the time of this recording, C.J.

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Stroud is a likely winner of the offensive

rookie of the year.

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He had an amazing season, led Houston into

the playoffs.

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In his rookie season, he put up like

almost close to 5,000 passing yards, which

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is unheard of.

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He broke some rookie records.

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So yeah, he was a joy to watch.

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Yeah, that's just one example.

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One example.

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Yeah, there's been many, many more.

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So kudos to Snoop and what he did in real

life to help out underprivileged kids.

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And final take, LBC.

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I was thinking...

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to the NFL.

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Now you got me thinking of the opening

lines of Gin and Juice.

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Final takeaway, and again, I wrote this,

but I'm going to support it too.

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The plot and the film are littered with

some flaws and unnecessary roughness, to

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use a football term.

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For me, it's almost like a non sequitur in

that it's a kids story, the Underdoggs,

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but they're like ruling the roosts.

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I don't see where the discipline is.

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I don't see the kids really reforming

themselves.

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And I don't see Snoop reforming himself.

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Snoop was like a jerk the whole time in

terms of his self-centeredness, his being

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an egomaniac.

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Yeah, lessons learned.

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But like the kids coming out and rallying

when they're down and the half, and using

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like expletives to kind of rally together

and almost taunt the other team.

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I didn't like that.

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Yes, there's a lesson to be learned, but

that was a big flaw to me.

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Again, Snoop not giving back to his old

coach, and the only reason he's doing the

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community service and helping these kids

is a means to an end to help himself.

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And when he got that role at Fox, big

dilemma, and he made the decision, you

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know, he made a tough decision.

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I won't give it away.

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But that was his end goal, was to get a

contract on national TV.

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And so that was it.

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And then it's like, what happened to the

kids?

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So yeah, I had some issues with that.

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DynoWright, what are your thoughts about

any of the flaws or unnecessary roughness,

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so to speak?

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I'm picking up the flag.

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It's a sports movie.

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And so a lot of sports movies follow

formula, not unlike rom-coms.

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And so this one ends in a championship

game, of course.

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And they have this moral dilemma that

Snoop has to decide whether to go to Fox

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or coach the championship game for the

kids.

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And so we've seen this in other films.

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And you can imagine what happens.

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Without talking about the result of the

game, the result of the game actually

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works in favor of the message of the film.

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I thought to me that one of the messages

is you have to put forth a sincere effort

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and let the results take care of

themselves and in short trust the process.

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The second was to find strength in your

family and from where he came.

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And so, yes, I don't think Two Js, he

finds about 80% redemption, but he does.

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find strength in where he from where he

came from.

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And so, you know, that part, that part was

accomplished.

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And finding strength in his, Mike Epps'

character was, I'm in for that.

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But yeah, is it a perfect film?

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No, of course not.

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Is it a classic underdog sports movie?

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I don't know if it's a classic, but it

definitely follows the underdog formula.

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BooGie, what are your thoughts about the

flaws in the plot and the film overall?

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Yeah, I mean, I agree that there was some

plot holes there.

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But you know me, I'm always there for the

cameos.

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So cameos, let's talk about them.

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Yeah, Tony Gonzalez, Deion Sanders, Terry

Bradshaw, Curt Menafee, Michael Strahan,

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Howie Long, Jay Glazer.

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I mean, all big names in football and the

commentary and Fox football commentaries

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and Fox NFL Sunday commentators.

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So.

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It was cool to see them because it always

adds a tad bit of authenticity to the

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film.

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So anytime I see that kind of thing

happen, I always get a little bit excited.

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I like spotting people and saying who's

who in the movie.

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But yeah, there was some definite plot

holes in it.

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And but I mean, it's not a perfectly made

movie.

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I think that the overall message was

achieved somewhat.

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Would I watch it again?

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Absolutely.

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It took a little bit to get to get me to

catch on to it, but I enjoyed it when it

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was all said and done.

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Yeah, I just thought that they left, they

left a little bit on the field in terms

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of, to use that, in terms of like Snoop

having a little bit more of an impact to

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reform the children.

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They learned, but I think you're kind of

stretching a little bit like what they

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really learned.

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I mean, the one child was a personal

connection where he kept asking to be

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dropped off in front of the sneaker store.

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He's like, I'm gonna buy some kicks or

check it out.

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And it was all about him just being

embarrassed of where he lived.

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Snoop did go to the extent of figuring it

out that he was embarrassed and said, hey,

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I lived in trailer park, such and such

number.

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But like, I wish he would even take it a

step further.

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Like, why doesn't he help him confront his

fear and like maybe get out of the car and

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walk him to his home and maybe meet his

parent or caregiver and say, hey, listen,

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I know what you're going through.

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And...

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Maybe I can help you out somehow, or maybe

use his influence or something.

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Like someone that's a former athlete that

could still maintain a house like that has

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a lot more resources.

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And I just don't think that they were

applied, yeah, you know, as much as they

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could.

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I don't want to tell someone how to spend

their money though.

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Like, oh, you have to...

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It's not coming from a place of, you know,

a sincere place in Two Js's heart.

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So it's not gonna...

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It wasn't gonna happen and it wouldn't

have worked.

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So, I mean, there was something there.

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I think he...

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Knowing what this kid was going through

and figuring out that he didn't really

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have a new pair of kicks every time, I

think the best he could have done was

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relate to him like, hey, I used to live in

the trailer park too.

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and I was able to get out.

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And I think...

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To make him do more, I think that'd be a

little ham-handed to me.

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I mean he did he did buy him new kicks

though.

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He brought some kicks.

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Yeah, yeah, the new kicks.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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I wanted a better moral compass inside of

Two Js and just wasn't there.

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But again, that was his character.

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I don't know.

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It's not a Disney movie.

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So you're not going to have these

wholesome qualities that I might be

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looking for.

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few miles north of Long Beach.

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That's a good one.

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So also, yeah, no, I guess, you know, we

differ, we differ on that.

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And that's fine.

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I mean, I didn't want to mention, I'd be

remiss if I didn't mention a couple of

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other performances in this film.

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Tika Sumpter was stunning as, you know,

Snoop's love interest.

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Kal Penn was in it playing his agent and

he was funny as usual.

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We mentioned George Lopez as the high

school coach.

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Andrew Schulz, so I didn't really know

that well.

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He played a good villain in terms of the

opposing coach.

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He had his team in like a militaristic

drill sergeant type fashion.

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He was like the Bill Belichick, I guess,

of youth league.

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Joyles Bill Belichick style.

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I think they were like the Colonels.

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They looked like the Patriots uniforms.

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they really did.

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They really were.

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I think they intentionally probably

modeled them after that.

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oh yeah.

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Yeah, I see that.

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Yep.

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I see that.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, but if you want to talk about any of

those co-stars, you can go ahead.

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there's really good supporting cast.

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And some of the subtle humor worked better

for me than some of the more obvious joke

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lines in this movie.

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And so there's one scene where Two Js

calls his agent Harold and Kumar, looking

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person So a great, subtle reference to Kal

Penn's breakout role as Kumar.

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Mm-hmm.

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Very funny.

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Charles Stone III is good for that.

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He knows his stuff.

470

00:28:00,500 --> 00:28:01,583

I think it was good.

471

00:28:01,583 --> 00:28:06,541

I think all of the characters that were

showcased, they added to the movie.

472

00:28:06,541 --> 00:28:12,666

Like one of the, when it caught me off

guard was Judge Tara.

473

00:28:12,666 --> 00:28:14,291

I was like, huh.

474

00:28:14,291 --> 00:28:17,000

I looked at her face and I'm like, wait a

minute, I know who that is.

475

00:28:17,166 --> 00:28:20,000

It's Kandi Burruss from platinum-selling

group Xscape.

476

00:28:21,125 --> 00:28:26,666

And um also a solo artist and she plays on

those hip hop shows.

477

00:28:26,666 --> 00:28:30,250

I can't remember which one, but yeah, I

was like, huh, here she goes.

478

00:28:30,958 --> 00:28:32,791

Isn't she a real housewife in Atlanta or

something?

479

00:28:32,791 --> 00:28:35,958

Yeah.

480

00:28:36,791 --> 00:28:37,416

That was it.

481

00:28:37,416 --> 00:28:38,166

Okay.

482

00:28:39,625 --> 00:28:40,958

Yeah, good crew.

483

00:28:40,958 --> 00:28:47,375

I saw the funny subtle joke too is that

Snoop mentions or Two Js mentions like,

484

00:28:47,375 --> 00:28:50,625

oh, I thought I was gonna get the Martha

Stewart treatment or something like that.

485

00:28:50,625 --> 00:28:54,708

And in real life Snoop and Martha are

buddies.

486

00:28:55,708 --> 00:29:02,041

And Martha had the white collar crime when

she was like insider trading and she got

487

00:29:02,041 --> 00:29:03,708

like a slap on the wrist.

488

00:29:04,791 --> 00:29:09,791

He still got, I guess, preferential

treatment and that he was up for.

489

00:29:10,541 --> 00:29:15,166

jail sentence and he's like, you're gonna

get community service.

490

00:29:16,125 --> 00:29:20,375

He's in there with his neck brace and

everything after the accident.

491

00:29:21,666 --> 00:29:22,875

Looking a mess.

492

00:29:23,541 --> 00:29:25,708

But I thought that was a funny line also.

493

00:29:26,416 --> 00:29:27,916

Yeah, I definitely did laugh a lot.

494

00:29:27,916 --> 00:29:32,916

I'm not saying it was joyless, but I

outlined a lot of the issues I had.

495

00:29:35,583 --> 00:29:39,750

Anything else to add on the film that you

guys wanted to discuss?

496

00:29:39,750 --> 00:29:42,041

This is a well timed for Super Bowl week.

497

00:29:43,208 --> 00:29:45,208

Yes, football film, definitely.

498

00:29:45,208 --> 00:29:46,916

this during Super Bowl week.

499

00:29:47,916 --> 00:29:48,916

Go Niners!

500

00:29:49,625 --> 00:29:52,083

Our resident Niners fan is ready to go.

501

00:29:52,625 --> 00:29:53,458

Put him in, coach.

502

00:29:53,458 --> 00:29:54,708

Ha ha ha.

503

00:29:54,708 --> 00:29:55,333

Ha ha ha.

504

00:29:55,333 --> 00:29:56,250

a jersey.

505

00:29:57,500 --> 00:29:58,166

Ehh!

506

00:30:01,208 --> 00:30:02,625

You gotta get a Run CMC shirt.

507

00:30:02,625 --> 00:30:03,916

I got the Run DMC.

508

00:30:03,916 --> 00:30:06,458

You gotta get Run CMC for Christian

McCaffrey.

509

00:30:06,458 --> 00:30:07,083

Yeah.

510

00:30:07,291 --> 00:30:10,541

I got my Run the Jewels shirt on in honor

of Killer Mike winning a Grammy this week.

511

00:30:10,541 --> 00:30:11,750

Oh, nice.

512

00:30:12,375 --> 00:30:13,625

He went in the crate.

513

00:30:13,750 --> 00:30:15,041

Free Killer Mike.

514

00:30:15,500 --> 00:30:16,125

Yes.

515

00:30:16,125 --> 00:30:17,958

Yeah, apparently got arrested after the

show.

516

00:30:17,958 --> 00:30:19,000

That's crazy.

517

00:30:20,041 --> 00:30:20,916

Awful timing.

518

00:30:20,916 --> 00:30:22,458

Why'd I do that to my man?

519

00:30:24,083 --> 00:30:26,541

You've been down with Killer Mike for

years, yeah.

520

00:30:28,750 --> 00:30:29,791

Yup.

521

00:30:29,791 --> 00:30:32,875

It was crazy because I heard about that.

522

00:30:33,458 --> 00:30:37,416

I was going to go watch the Grammy Awards

with a few of my friends.

523

00:30:37,666 --> 00:30:43,750

And I was like, I was running about 20

minutes late, 15, 20 minutes late.

524

00:30:43,958 --> 00:30:47,375

And the Grammy started at eight o'clock

and about eight, 10, or eight oh five,

525

00:30:47,375 --> 00:30:49,916

eight, 10, I see the headlines popping up.

526

00:30:50,250 --> 00:30:51,875

Like Killer Mike arrested.

527

00:30:52,541 --> 00:30:55,250

And I went to the Grammy party, I was

like, y'all did y'all hear about Killer

528

00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:55,416

Mike?

529

00:30:55,416 --> 00:30:56,750

He said, what happened with Killer Mike?

530

00:30:56,750 --> 00:30:57,333

I'm like.

531

00:30:57,333 --> 00:30:59,208

He just got arrested, they're like, he

did.

532

00:30:59,208 --> 00:31:03,333

Cause it hadn't, the news hadn't even, it

hadn't even popped up for anybody who was

533

00:31:03,333 --> 00:31:05,458

watching the Grammy's live, didn't even

know.

534

00:31:05,458 --> 00:31:07,750

It's like, wow.

535

00:31:10,708 --> 00:31:11,166

That's not right.

536

00:31:11,166 --> 00:31:11,291

Yeah.

537

00:31:11,291 --> 00:31:15,000

I saw he posted today thanking everybody,

that supporter and everything.

538

00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,833

So it looks like he's out and everything's

good.

539

00:31:18,250 --> 00:31:19,166

That's good.

540

00:31:22,583 --> 00:31:28,166

All right, so let's do our rating here for

the movie Underdoggs, which is freshly

541

00:31:28,166 --> 00:31:28,708

released.

542

00:31:28,708 --> 00:31:32,583

I think it came out something like January

23rd or something, so we hop right on this

543

00:31:32,583 --> 00:31:34,833

one on Amazon Prime.

544

00:31:35,791 --> 00:31:36,916

Yeah, it's amazing.

545

00:31:36,916 --> 00:31:42,375

But all right, DynoWright, let's kick it

off with you first.

546

00:31:42,375 --> 00:31:46,000

Would you say bring this funky flick back

or leave it in the vault?

547

00:31:49,166 --> 00:31:54,125

I would bring this funky flick back, um, I

don't know if I'd watch it again, but I

548

00:31:54,125 --> 00:31:55,083

thought it was good.

549

00:31:56,416 --> 00:31:57,208

All right, BooGie?

550

00:31:57,208 --> 00:31:58,000

but good.

551

00:31:59,208 --> 00:32:02,583

Yeah, I'll bring the funky flick back for

now.

552

00:32:02,666 --> 00:32:06,291

I mean, I'll probably definitely, I'm

almost positive I'll watch it at least one

553

00:32:06,291 --> 00:32:09,666

or two more times because I'll come across

somebody that has never seen it and

554

00:32:09,666 --> 00:32:12,291

they'll probably wanna watch it and I end

up watching it with them.

555

00:32:14,083 --> 00:32:15,125

Will it hold up as a classic?

556

00:32:15,125 --> 00:32:16,333

Remains to be seen.

557

00:32:18,041 --> 00:32:19,416

but I'll bring it back for now.

558

00:32:20,833 --> 00:32:26,791

Alright, and for myself, I spouted too

much negativity, so I will have to say,

559

00:32:26,791 --> 00:32:28,458

leave it in the vault.

560

00:32:28,708 --> 00:32:36,250

I will spend the time watching Soul Plane

and other...and just watching Snoop

561

00:32:36,250 --> 00:32:40,291

videos.

562

00:32:40,291 --> 00:32:41,875

Which I enjoyed much more.

563

00:32:45,708 --> 00:32:46,750

All right.

564

00:32:50,291 --> 00:32:51,375

Soul Plane...

565

00:32:53,583 --> 00:32:55,291

Can't stop laughing now.

566

00:32:55,291 --> 00:32:56,041

Hehehehe

567

00:32:58,791 --> 00:32:59,791

Oh man.

568

00:33:00,041 --> 00:33:04,916

Hip Hop Movie Club is produced by your

HHMC's JB, BooGie and DynoWright.

569

00:33:04,916 --> 00:33:06,583

The music by BooGie.

570

00:33:06,791 --> 00:33:10,000

We've got a bunch of live events in the

first half of 2024 coming up.

571

00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,875

You can learn more at our website,

hiphopmovieclub.com.

572

00:33:13,708 --> 00:33:17,791

On February 28th at Steel Stacks in

Bethlehem, we are presenting a screening

573

00:33:17,791 --> 00:33:19,625

of Juice and a talkback.

574

00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:21,875

Free tickets at steelstacks.org.

575

00:33:23,291 --> 00:33:27,625

Whether you're listening to the podcast or

watching us on YouTube, we appreciate you.

576

00:33:27,625 --> 00:33:28,916

Thanks for tuning in.

577

00:33:30,916 --> 00:33:33,791

Remember, don't hate, liberate.

578

00:33:35,791 --> 00:33:36,833

Free Killer Mike.

579

00:33:37,625 --> 00:33:38,625

That's right

580

00:33:40,625 --> 00:33:42,791

I think it's already free, so yeah, stay

free.

581

00:33:42,791 --> 00:33:43,375

Yeah.

582

00:33:44,083 --> 00:33:54,291

I'm gonna soon have to go through that

INXS, INXS a video with the cue cards.

583

00:33:54,375 --> 00:33:58,000

We could drop that in the show notes they

had a lot