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JJ Flizanes: Welcome to the show, everyone! I'm excited about today's conversation. I've got back a guest who's been on the show 4 times. Back in 2016, so 10 years ago, I had Dr. Elizabeth Plouord on to talk about many things.

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JJ Flizanes: The show of hers that I have shared the most over the last 10 years has been episode 25 on Season 2 of the Fit to Love podcast called Natural Menopause vs. Hysterectomy. And I've shared that with a lot of people because, especially with those of you that have been on this journey with me, maybe you're in perimenopause, maybe you're in your menopause, maybe you're not, maybe you're 35 and having issues with adrenal fatigue, or you're having

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JJ Flizanes: symptoms of perimenopause a lot sooner, and there are reasons for that. Or maybe you're past that, and your body's breaking down a little bit more than you think it should be, based on the lifestyle that you lead, and you're wondering why. So I would invite everyone who's going to listen to today's show, we're going to talk about some medical things, and introduce her to you. Actually, Dr. Plour and I never did a video podcast. This is the first time that we're going to be together on video.

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JJ Flizanes: But that was in October of 2016, again, Fit to Love Podcast Season 2, Episode 25, Natural Menopause vs. Hysterectomy. I'm mentioning it because we're definitely going to get to a little bit about that episode in today's conversation, because again, I just want people to be… I want you to be armed with information that might be different than you're getting from your traditional home…

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JJ Flizanes: Traditional allopathic doctor, which, you know, for most of us in today's day, they serve a purpose, but they aren't the end authority, nor should they be.

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JJ Flizanes: So, welcome back to the show, Dr. Elizabeth.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Thank you so much. I so appreciate it. Having spent my life just delving into all the research on all this and piecing it all together. It's such a pleasure to be able to share it with the world, because the world needs it.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Needs all this information.

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JJ Flizanes: Let's talk about… a little bit about your background, and what got you to the point of wanting to share information with people, the things that you know, and… and the passion behind getting out information that others don't have.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I'm a clinical laboratory scientist, so I'm licensed in California, which is a huge license compared to all the other 49 states. When I took the other states for

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: the exam for the other states, it felt like kindergarten exam instead of PhD, which is what California requires. I mean, it's just amazing.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: what California has required for us. It's 6 years of college, not just 4, and you've just got to… and then you intern for a year, and so it's a lot of learning. And then when I got in the lab.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And found out the laboratory tests aren't that valid.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I was really depressed and dejected and thought, oh my gosh, I've spent all this time, all this money, all this effort my whole life.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And… but then I realized when I got the ideas for the books.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: That I've written, that…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: that information, that foundation and knowledge I can put into the books and share… share with people, because we deserve to know the truth, and we are not getting the truth about our health and medicine. We're… we're just not.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: It, it's, it's a tragedy.

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JJ Flizanes: Well, one of the reasons why I wanted to have you back is that you and I had had a session last year about things that were going on with me, and I remember you mentioning without prompting about how the industry changes based on what pharmaceutical companies want to sell you.

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JJ Flizanes: So, today's first initial conversation is about… about…

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JJ Flizanes: cholesterol, triglycerides, about statins, and how that most of us, because again, people, they trust their doctors. Whatever their doctor says.

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JJ Flizanes: they listen to, and they don't question, which is half the problem. But you had made a comment, because I've had high cholesterol, if you will, and I'm okay with that, because I know functional medicine and integrative medicine looks to have… because you make hormones with your cholesterol, so we have this… and this is not a new conversation. Dr. Davis has been talking about this. Dr. Johnny Bowden's been talking… like, there are… Dr. Sinatra, there are books that have been going on

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JJ Flizanes: for more than 15 years addressing this, but it's still not mainstream knowledge, and nobody wants to challenge it. So let's talk about the progression from when you were studying things and researching things, and when you saw a shift, and why, when it comes to cholesterol, statin drugs, things like that.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Well, I, I became acquainted with… Lawyers who specialized in… Helping people…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Sue the medical community, sue doctors who they feel hurt them.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And and I had been hurt by a doctor, and so I was talking to them about it, and they were saying that they were working with…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: man in his 40s who was fine. The only thing that he had was high cholesterol, and they put him on statin drugs, and in 30 days he was dead.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: So they were working on a wrongful death suit for him.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And as I researched what statin drugs do, there was no doubt that the statin drugs were the cause of the problem.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And it's…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: We're not warned about that. We're not warned about the side effects. In fact, there's side effects on the, on the literature that they wanted to take off.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Because they said, oh, these aren't side effects of the statin drugs. Well, there's a lot of side effects of the statin drugs. When,

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: when I was on a book signing tour across the United States, 25,000 mile trip, in… 25 states.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And, as I went around, talking to the doctors, talking to the OBGYNs, talking to doctors in all these states.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: They were all upset because they realized they were getting patients who had

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Such a low cholesterol that that was their problem.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: That it was way lower than it should have been.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: So, when I was interning, and I hate to say it, it was 70 years ago, when I was interning, cholesterol normals were 250… 240 to 280.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Mine was $2.50, and I was very comfortable with the 250. I have not allowed my cholesterol to be taken

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I'm in my 80s now, I'm not allowed…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I'm not allowing my cholesterol to be taken, because I know they'll demand that I take statin drugs, because I'm at 250, and I'm very happy at 250, because we make all our hormones. Our brain runs on the cholesterol. We… we need cholesterol in our body.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: and to deprive people of this, but the doctors I talked to across the nation on that trip.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: They were so upset because these people were coming in.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Barely functioning because they didn't have enough cholesterol to keep their body going.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Below 200 is… is absolutely way too low.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: So it's… It's… It makes it hard to keep believing in our… believing in our medical system, because

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: it is soft base, and I did a…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Quick search this week in preparation of this.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And I still can't believe the literature

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And what's on the internet, they're still saying below 200.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And I had…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Doctor after doctor coming in to talk to me, saying, it's just… below 200 is just way too low for people.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And, yet we're still…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: it's this many years later, and they're still doing the same thing. It's really a crime.

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JJ Flizanes: Well, statin drugs are a funnel for financial abundance for the companies, right? That's who decided it was going to change to under 200, right?

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: That's… that's true, yeah, right, because my… my books that are on the shelf

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: say, cholesterol normal 240 to 280, that's… they still say that.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And that's where it was when I was interning.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: So, it's a crime that they've done that to us.

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JJ Flizanes: What… when… what do you tell people that, let's say, the layperson who…

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JJ Flizanes: who's afraid, because now they've been on a statin drug, their doctor has told them that if they're not, they're gonna have a heart attack, they're on blood thinners, like, what do you… how do you educate them about, like, the positives of cholesterol and what the real contributing factors are to heart disease?

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Boy, it's a hard one, because it's so embedded.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: The medical community has done a good job of

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: of propaganda. It really is propaganda, because it's not true, and it's harming so many people.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: So, I… It's hard. It's… it's a… long, laborious.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Laying out of the two facts.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And so I really… realized I should write a book about it, but I do have books,

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: that have already been written. Dr.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Sinatra, you mentioned him. Dr. Steven Sinatra, oh, it's over here, wrote the great

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Cholesterol myth, can you… can you read that?

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JJ Flizanes: That's the exact book I was referring to.

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JJ Flizanes: Yeah. Dr. Johnny Bowden is in that too, right? Dr. Johnny Bowden.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Yeah, they're co-authors.

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JJ Flizanes: Yep.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Yeah, and .

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JJ Flizanes: And how old is that book? That book is, like, 15 years old, right?

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: At least.

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JJ Flizanes: At least.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Yeah, I'm not sure, I didn't look at the date, but…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I've had it a long time.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I had to get all the dust off of it, because it's been on my shelf for a long time. So, but,

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Yeah, it's… I… I can…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Look it up. Maybe. Maybe? I don't know. So, I hate to take the time.

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JJ Flizanes: No, that's okay. That's okay.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Okay.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: So, yeah, no, we've known this for a very long time,

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And then Dr. Sinatra also wrote the Sinatra solution to help avoid heart attacks, and protect people.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And CoQ10, Is a big part of his… Program.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And I… after I had my hysterectomy, I had immediate high blood pressure, so high they wouldn't let me leave the hospital until they gave me blood pressure drugs.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And,

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Because once the uterus is very in charge of the blood pressure, and… and once they take it out, then you're…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Sky high. And, and I was on blood pressure meds.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: every single… there's 5 classes, every single one made me so sick, I've thought I'd rather have a heart attack or a stroke, because I was so sick from them.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I could barely move, I could barely walk, and and then I was…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Being helped with my, mercury problem.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And a doctor put me on CoQ10.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And a year later, I'm in my doctor's office, and my blood pressure's normal.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And I'm going, what's different? What… it was the CoQ10.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: with my doctor, and my blood pressure was really high, and I said, oh, I haven't taken my CoQ10 for 2 weeks. Her answer was, just start on it again, you'll be fine.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Instead of all those years of blood pressure meds that she had been forcing on me.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Yeah, that's true, but everybody should be told that.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: everybody, because CoQ10 is a natural enzyme in your body that we need it, and

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And we lose it as we age, so… and then we really lose it with hysterectomies. So, sorry.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Thank you.

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JJ Flizanes: Yeah, actually, I probably should have Dr. Johnny Bowden on and Dr. Sinatra, to talk that a little bit more in depth, but I know you and I had that conversation when we were talking, and you said, yeah, that the cholesterol… that the pharmaceutical companies lowered the cholesterol range so they could make statins and keep people on these drugs, and I know that, I mean, I didn't know if someone had died, I'm sure, you know, there are different responses

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JJ Flizanes: what are some of the side effects of statin drugs, because I wonder if, like, eyesight or things with your eyes could possibly be because of a statin. My dad is on a statin. Hopefully, maybe he'll reconsider after listening to this episode, but probably not. He's a Taurus, he's very stubborn, and he believes his doctors, no matter what I tell him. You know, I'm not a doctor, so they don't believe me, but I will definitely get him some CoQ10. But he's got, you know, muscle cramps, which I know is definitely one of the most common side effects.

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JJ Flizanes: of a statin drug. You know, in being a researcher, you've seen, and being that you've interned 70 years ago, like, looking at sort of the… how the medical

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JJ Flizanes: has been influenced over the years. You know, one of the things that you and I talked about years ago, and again, it was this natural menopause versus hysterectomy, was this idea of bioidentical hormones. And a lot of people in my community, even people that I'm working with right now, people who have heard the conversation about hormones for years, but never were paying attention because they didn't think it applied to them.

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JJ Flizanes: And I thought, okay, maybe I need to say things differently.

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JJ Flizanes: Everyone needs to understand that as you age, you're going to lose hormones, and if you do not replace them, you will have many side effects and things that happen.

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JJ Flizanes: Now, there's a difference between synthetic and bioidentical, but why don't you tell a little bit about your story, of how you even came to understand this, because probably my guess is when you started.

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JJ Flizanes: You know, you listened to your doctor, you had a hysterectomy, and you probably didn't start with hormones, because… okay, let's start with that story.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Right, I,

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I realized that I should never have had the hysterectomy. I didn't really need the hysterectomy. My problem was,

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: perimenopausal bleeding.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I was bleeding so bad, I had to stay home with bath towels, and so it was very inconveniencing, and

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: So, finally, after 3 years, every doctor I talked to, I went to a female gynecologist, thinking, well, a woman will know.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: She had the same answer, hysterectomy was the only answer, and so I finally gave in.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And had it, and I absolutely crashed.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: totally crashed. I was 43, and just… I thought the world, instead of being bright sunshine, was just nothing but black. So…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And the doctors didn't understand it, they just told me I was mourning the loss of my womb, that, you know.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: get over it. That was the answer from them. And then when I finally found a doctor, she was in Beverly Hills at the time, and

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: she got on a program for hormone pellet implants. They're just tiny little, like the size of a Tic Tac.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And, they're embedded under the skin and the buttocks.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And they slowly dissolve.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: The bioidentical estradiol, bioidentical testosterone over time.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: two weeks on that, and I woke up and thought, there is a son. I mean, it was that dramatic of how I felt.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And so then I really got into a lot of that, of just…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Delving into it, and wrote my book.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Hysterectomy, ovary removal, and hormone replacement.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: It took me 11 years to write that book.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Because I wanted to make sure that I covered everything.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: So that nobody could challenge what I was saying. Because we really need the truth.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I just talked with a…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: friend of my… girlfriend of mine last night, she's the same age as I am, and…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And I talked to her about how estrogen is essential for the structure in your eye as you age. Every system in our body needs estrogen. Every… and they all use it in a different way. Our bodies are so awesomely designed. I am… I'm in awe of our bodies.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And, she didn't know that. Most people don't know that. And I wouldn't have known that until I started having trouble with my eyesight, and…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Now I need to take nutrients for my eyes.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And the nutrients for my eyes are clearing my eyesight up.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Rather than… The, lens removal that the ophthalmologist recommended.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Okay, vision Live Max, it's available on the internet.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: when I walked out of the ophthalmologist's office, he threw at me, you'll never pass your driver's test.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And I started taking that Vision Live Max, and a year later, I passed the driver's test.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: So, I… it's… What they're taught in medical school

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Is to promote their ability to make money on lens removal.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And I don't… I have 7 surgeries, which I…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Went along with and believed in. And…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: before I found the things that helped protect me from the radiation.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: those surgery scars would just hurt and burn and get red and awful when I was around radiation.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And I can't imagine, slits in my eyes.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I determined I would never allow that cataract surgery, because I don't want to feel that burning and awfulness where there's a slip. Because wherever you've got a cut, that's where the radiations can plow into your body.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: So, it's, it, it's no fun, so…

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JJ Flizanes: Okay, so let's go back to… so you were on… I interrupted you with the hormones. Can you tell everybody the name of your book again?

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: It's hysterectomy, over-removal, and hormone replacement.

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JJ Flizanes: Hysterectory… hysterectomy over removal?

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Ovary removal. Ovary removal? Yeah. And hormone replacement.

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JJ Flizanes: And when did you write it?

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Oh, golly. Long time ago.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Sorry, I don't… I don't know.

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JJ Flizanes: Okay, that's right. Also written…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: EMF Freedom, Solutions for the 21st Century Pollution.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And this is essential for everybody to read, it really is. It goes through what

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And… and it's terrible. I… there's a movie out that's out right now, it's,

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Good luck, have fun, don't die. And it's a man from the future.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: It's… it's kind of a weird movie, but it's a message that we all need. We absolutely need to cut back on our electricity. We really do. I think a large part of our kids' problems is because

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: To do an ultrasound on all babies, When very few Need it?

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: It's just… to me, it's a crime. And those little tiny cells all trying to form and change.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Yeah, we're all struggling with trying to figure out how to help these people, and I think part of it is the radiation, and the cell phones, and the…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: AirPods in the… it's just… it's all been brought out with no warnings, and we need the warnings, we really do.

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JJ Flizanes: Well, we also… and I've done some other shows since you about EMF protection and really understanding the grounding and being able to test your environment. There's definitely… it's a multifactorial for some things, right? Because there's EMF, but there's also half the shit people eat, right? So, you know, diets are pretty terrible, and the additives, and the preservatives, and the dyes and the chemicals, like, you know, so we have multi… you know, the endocrine disruptors.

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JJ Flizanes: plastics, microplastics in our food, right? Like, the list is really long of potential things that could go wrong, and not to, like, depress everybody, it's that you can understand it, know it, and then make different choices. What happens is, I think a lot of people

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JJ Flizanes: don't… if you don't know about it, you don't factor it in, so you think you don't… like, my mother made a comment, God bless her, about my grandmother, who had, dementia, or Alzheimer's by the end.

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JJ Flizanes: And basically said, yeah, well, you know, she thinks that that wasn't controlled, or that you couldn't do anything about that. And I'm like, there are 10 things she could have done about that. Like, I can tell you what she could have done differently about that. That is something that could have been addressed if anyone understood some of the causes of why that happened. Her mouth was full of mercury!

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Exactly.

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JJ Flizanes: Right, she had a ton of amalgams, and… but… but we… we think these diseases…

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JJ Flizanes: are… are… like, we're victims of the diseases, versus we can be proactive about understanding how some of the things works. Cancer. Like, when people say, you know, they get their cancer cut out, I'm like, well, okay, well, the cancer grew in a soil.

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JJ Flizanes: That had many factors to it, and it wasn't just… didn't happen yesterday. It's been growing for a long time, and if you don't change the soil, it's gonna come back. You can get it out, but don't think that's gonna take care of.

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JJ Flizanes: So, you know, so there… it's a little bit of a… you know, people can only take in so much, sometimes it's overwhelming, they can't take all the data of all the things that possibly could go wrong. But when you understand some of it, especially when you're dealing with it, when you're… when you ask the questions, why is it like this, and why can't I get help, I do believe that there's usually… there's always a way. There's always another way to address something that's going to help.

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JJ Flizanes: a situation get a little bit better until you get some more information. So I wanted to, you know, I know we did that episode, the season 2, episode 25 on Fit to Love about natural menopause versus hysterectomy, and I… I don't remember if we talked about your book, because I don't have your book. So I'm gonna say, I will put this book, link in the chat for everyone.

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JJ Flizanes: Definitely, the EMF, but for this particular conversation, you know, I wanted to focus on

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JJ Flizanes: The two things that seem to be really prevalent in my world right now with clients, family, neighbors, like, people who are overly prescribed statins, who are afraid of cholesterol, you know, mine's probably 250 also, it's probably… I definitely know it's around 230,

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JJ Flizanes: And my integrative functional medicine doctor, we don't do anything about it because it's fine, because I know I need my cholesterol 4. But it's the idea of heart disease, and it's the people not understanding, and I wanted you to sort of be that

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JJ Flizanes: The, the witness to that when you were, you, like you said, when you were an intern, that the healthy rate

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JJ Flizanes: the healthy range was 240 to 280. That was what was considered healthy. It changed because somebody wanted to sell people statin drugs.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: in that, because it is harming us. We… we absolutely need hormones. And, in fact, one of the talks that I did.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Because it makes testosterone.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Doctors don't… don't warn… the people of that problem. It… it is a very, very difficult problem. And… and…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Like, estrogen is in every tissue of the body.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: every time I hear of a woman breaking her hip, I know it's because she hasn't had estrogen, because she's been told, oh, you'll get breast cancer. And that breast cancer scare was totally off-base. They didn't use human hormones, and…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: We really need to stop listening to our doctors who were not educated that well.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: The PhD program that I and my husband were in. It combined Eastern and Western medicine.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: makes the most sense. It really does. It's… it uses tiny, tiny little things that'll look like peas. So, microdoses.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: of a lot of different herbs, and that gets us well. And they go to the core. Where… where did it start?

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: putting it down to Chinese, and I've used both Chinese and Tibetan. Tibetan just makes more common sense.

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JJ Flizanes: Well, it's the difference of, you know, Chinese medicine for 2,000 years versus Western medicine for 200 years, but people will trust their doctor.

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JJ Flizanes: This is someone doing acupuncture. My mother actually said something about, like, I… one of my dad, he had a fall recently, and he just slipped on some ice. He was wearing dress shoes, and he was

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JJ Flizanes: He's 80, and he was clearing off the car before going to church, and luckily, he didn't fall on concrete or rock, so it was, you know, a sprain, but I mentioned acupuncture, and of course, then he's on blood thinners, so then she thought about it and thought, oh, I can't… what if he bleeds out? I'm like.

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JJ Flizanes: 25 years! And so, like, they… if there's any blood, it's like a little… it's actually not a bad thing, because heat's leaving the body, right? It's like a little… but no one bleeds out because they have had acupuncture. Anyway, but it's… what do you… what do you say to the people who, when you talk about the hormone, because I have a particular group of people right now, who, let's say, are going through some kind of cancer, and their spouses, or their friends, or their doctors.

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JJ Flizanes: Say, no, you shouldn't take hormones because you've already had cancer, or you have cancer, and it will cause more cancer.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: We all have estrogen high as we're going through puberty and growing up. We all have a lot of estrogen.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: to make it. And… those of us, when they were doing the Women's Health Initiative.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And so, we're connected across the country, and the day that they decided to abandon the trial.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: We were calling each other, going, hey, they finally know it doesn't work. They finally, finally get it.

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JJ Flizanes: the doctor who went through medical school, who, you know, and then there's the God complex. You know, and again, and back in the day, probably before the pharmaceutical company was what it is, right? Doctors were trusted, because they did have your health and root cause in mind, but things shifted.

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JJ Flizanes: when it became big business to get people on drugs. People don't realize that they're… you know, you and I had that conversation about, about fibroids, and about, you know, what doctors know or what they don't know, and how many times I went into 3 different doctors' offices, and they were like, hysterectomy, hysterectomy, hysterectomy. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, right? And I just kept waiting until the solution that I wanted appeared, which it took 2 years, but I wasn't going to

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JJ Flizanes: to take it out, and that… and because you and I had that conversation in 2016 on the show.

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JJ Flizanes: When was that? Let's see, I was with Doug, so it was 2019. So it's 2019, I'm in the doctor's office, talking about fibroid embolization, which I had known about, and then the one I want… the doctor I wanted to use, she stopped doing it, and so I looked for someone close, and I went into this doctor's office.

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JJ Flizanes: And I had that conversation, and I thought I was in the Twilight Zone. She looked… I told her, I don't need to see the MRI, will you or won't you do it?

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JJ Flizanes: She didn't like that, that I was that direct about it, because I think she wanted to scare me a little bit, and she basically said, I'll do it, but it's not my first recommendation. And I said, great, well, what is? And she said, hysterectomy.

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JJ Flizanes: And I was like, am I in the Twilight Zone right now? No, I'm not gonna do it. And then… and then I come up with all the, you know, and then she sent me… then I went to a gynecologist, because she needed somebody in case the big one in the middle fell and blocked and would cause sepsis and I was gonna die. So then when I went to the…

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JJ Flizanes: when I went to the gynecologist, who was younger than me, and she even, she's like, you scare me. And I'm like, why? And she said, because you have this one that's so big, that's in between the cavity, and if we cut off the blood supply and it falls, it's too big to pass.

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JJ Flizanes: And I said, great, well, isn't there… and she said, what was the… the percentage was low. I think it was, like, a 20% or 30% chance. I said, great, well, that doesn't mean there's 70% or 80% chance it's gonna go exactly the way that we want it to. And she said, yes. I'm like, great, well, then that's what's gonna happen. And then… but I said, but just to make you feel better, can't we… and I started coming up with, like, different ways to deal with it.

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JJ Flizanes: And I was told, no, no, no, no, on all of my very creative ways to deal with it. And, like, they don't think outside the box. Like, it's, no, we get surgery, or we remove the whole thing. And I thought, no, can we just get creative? And then she said, well, what about if I give you some progesterone? And at the time, I got very excited, and I was like, oh my god, yes, is it bioidentical? And she said, no. I was like, you're killing me right now. So I said, but the only reason why she gave it to me was in case I bled out.

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JJ Flizanes: So that I would stop bleeding, so that I wouldn't die.

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JJ Flizanes: And, you know, you know the story, you and I have talked about this since then. I mean, it's just like, one time after the other, I'm being an advocate, and one of my clients, although my community has not heard this whole story, so I'll keep telling it.

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JJ Flizanes: One of my clients, who… a male, that I was training at the time as a personal trainer, when I was done with the process, he said to me, I don't know that I… I don't think I believe what you believe, that everything happens for a reason or whatever, about law of attraction, because you couldn't heal or cure yourself.

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JJ Flizanes: And I said, you know what, I understand that, and I think I was supposed to go through this, because I have no… I have no idea

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JJ Flizanes: how bullied people are and pressured by their doctors to do things that aren't good for them, because they make them so afraid. I mean, I had two doctors telling me, and then when I got to the hospital, same thing.

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JJ Flizanes: like, you know, doctors telling me I was gonna die, like, and I'm like, oh my god, you're all on crack, I'm not gonna die. Like, I had no doubt I was gonna be fine, but I got pressured by so many doctors, and the average person is not gonna advocate for themselves like I am.

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JJ Flizanes: They don't understand because they haven't educated themselves about what to do, what the options are. They don't know they trust their doctors blindly.

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JJ Flizanes: And so I'm advocating for myself, and I came at that, and I said to him, I go, I was supposed to go through this so I can help save a bunch of uteruses, because people do not challenge their doctors. My mother, I told her to go to the doctor years ago, I said, go get your hormones tested. She goes to her doctor, and her doctor says no.

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JJ Flizanes: that they're all going to be low. I said, well, first of all, she doesn't know that. Of course they're low, but that's why, because we want to do something about it. But what I learned since then was that when a doctor refuses to test hormones they're not used to testing, it's because legally, if it's low, low.

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JJ Flizanes: They have to treat it, and if they aren't someone who treats bioidentical hormone replacement, or they don't know what to do with it, or they don't believe in it, then they don't want to do it. So they're just gonna say, no, I'm not gonna do that for you, because I don't believe in, or I don't agree with, or I don't know what to do with, if it comes back in a range that makes me legally liable to do something about it for you.

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JJ Flizanes: Yeah, so I… so it's looking at some of the, you know, other aspects of what we blindly sort of delegate to people, and again, there… I think the majority of my listeners are not that, because I'm very buck the system, and not that not everybody is bucking the system, but, like, I think I said, someone asked me at my birthday party last week if I got vaccinated, and I said, no.

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JJ Flizanes: And and I said, I don't listen to… like, if a Western doctor tells me something, I question it the first time. My vet, my new vet, I didn't meet her, for my cat, he has some ear… ear… we think is skin cancer on his ears, and I didn't go to the vet with Doug when he took him, but she… her… her options were to cut his ears, to cut the part of… and I… I said.

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JJ Flizanes: First of all, skin cancer is a reflection of what's going on inside of you. Like, you can't just get… it's the whole terrain. It's not like the sun… otherwise, right, we'd all have skin cancer. Same thing with the breast… with estrogen and breast cancer. If the sun caused skin cancer, we'd all have skin cancer. Yes?

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JJ Flizanes: it's not about the outside, it's about the inside. And the reflection that happens on the outside is because what's on the inside. But, so, anyway, I'm treating it with a bunch of different things.

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JJ Flizanes: and I mean, it's getting better, but, you know, freezing it off was another aspect, but again, just like with a person, cutting it out doesn't change the terrain, so I'm not… I'm changing the terrain and treating topically at the same time. So, what are some other areas in which we kind of, like, things have shifted that you've seen in your 70 years of being in this profession that you want people to know about? I mean, I know the main things for you of what you've written books about, you've written books about the

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: 12 months a year, 24 hours a day, some of them, and, I moved in so I could swim every day.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: The… the chemicals in the sunscreens are so bad, they… Aroma, the perfume.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I had to get away from the people because the smell of the sunscreen was just so obnoxious, and it… it's amazing how we've accepted this, and I watched some…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: As well as in your own lungs, and… and it's… and the thing that is amazing is that

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: It actually causes skin cancer?

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And they don't warn you about that. They really don't. Melanoma, after sunscreens were introduced, melanoma rates in the United States started climbing.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And at our pools, I watch them. They get to the pool, they put the sunscreen on, get right in the water. And so it's all in the water. I got to learn to scuba dive when I was 20 years old. I got to see the gorgeous, gorgeous coral.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Absolutely spectacular. So spectacular, my mouth would drop open, because it's just like heaven down there. And,

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And I'd have to remember to keep my regulator in my mouth, because, oh, wow, that's gorgeous, but…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And I've been connected to people in Hawaii who are trying to save the coral, and they said they shut down Hawaiian waters during COVID, so people couldn't go into the water.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And 5… and every single time, the person on the crew said, put on your sunscreen, put on your sunscreen as we were going off the boat.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And, 5 years later, I went back. That entire mess was gone.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: So in your face, you know, it just… it's… It's horrible.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Also, this is really harming our kids, because they're very hormonally active.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: when I told my husband I was going to write a book on sunscreens, he goes, you're a hormone specialist!

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: What are you writing a book on sunscreens? I had to be a hormone specialist in order to describe

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: what these hormones are doing to us. They're making the fish intersect, they have both ovaries and testicles in the same fish, because of the sunscreen in the water. And, our boys

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: don't know if they're boys or girls. I mean, this is such a… the gender problem is so pronounced and so prolific, and it's sunscreens, and sunscreens, it's also…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And hormones are so powerful. Extremely, extremely powerful. So, it's…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: It's just a crime that we continue to allow it and, support it.

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JJ Flizanes: Well, I think there's always gonna be…

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JJ Flizanes: I don't think there's a perfect world that we are… like, as long as there's an agenda, as long as people… it's like doing what we're doing right now. If we're educating people that don't want to be a part of the agenda, or they're coming, they're stumbling upon this because…

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JJ Flizanes: you know, I've shared, like I said, I've shared the show we did 10 years ago a million times. With every new year, I get anyone who's dealing with menopause, or perimenopause, or they're warning about hormones, or their doctor has said, don't take hormones. You know, I'm sharing that show with them about your hysterectomy story, and about your hands, and you're getting medic… right, was it the estrogen or the thyroid?

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JJ Flizanes: That you… your hands were all… your knuckles, I… weren't they?

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Yes, estrogen. Okay. Estrogen is for joints, yeah.

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JJ Flizanes: Right, so, you know, like, I've shared that, and it helped people, you know, ask different questions.

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JJ Flizanes: some people get so frozen, again, by not asking questions. They just do whatever they're told, but they're not necessarily feeling better or getting better. And hence, that's why I have a show, and it keeps going, and it's been 11 years, and we're not stopping, because I want people to understand and to know, and I'm, you know, trying to be the example and the advocate. So let's go back to you. You've been on hormones for how… so at this point, almost 40 years.

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JJ Flizanes: And do you take… like, I have people who are in their 80s, when I mention hormones, like, oh, I'm past that.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: What'd you say?

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JJ Flizanes: What would you say to the people who have not been on… or 60s? They're in their 60s, and they're like, oh, no, no.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: We need hormones our entire life. The minute we lose the hormones, our bodies start disintegrating, excuse me. And so that's…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: That's such a myth, it really is. And it's a tragic myth, because…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I just… every single time I hear of a…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: a hip replacement. I know it's lack of estrogen. I know it. And and we need to…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And they still won't have enough estrogen.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: You know, even with the new hip, because they're still have problems.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: We… we were so well designed.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: The hormones we have are so perfect, they all blend together.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: They all have their own jobs to do throughout the entire body, and when we don't…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: When we don't honor that.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And… and I'm really sad that so many people suffer. I just had a girlfriend of mine, same age as I am.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Are not being treated in a way that will promote our longevity, and as well as the quality of life in that longevity.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: So, I am very grateful for my education. I'm very grateful for the instructors that I had.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: In the colleges that taught The truth about the body.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: But they could teach the truth about the body, because they were taught the truth.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: they're no longer being taught the truth. It… this is what's tragic. I…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I was asked to teach a biopsychology class at the university that's across the freeway from me, and I got all excited about it until I realized

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: They were supposed to have had basic chemistry, basic biology.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: they… they're no longer teaching basic chemistry or basic biology. In fact, I was in a…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: in a continuing education class to keep my license going here in California, and a woman came up to me, hands me a card, she goes, I'm with Quest Laboratories, and I want you to work for me. And I said, do you have any idea how old I am? And she goes, yes, I do.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I want you because you have the foundation and none of the new people have it.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: we're not teaching our kids. It's a tragedy. And…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: My grandson asked me to help him with high school chemistry when he signed up for that.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And, the textbook was Obama's Common Core textbook.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: The chemistry titles were on the chapters.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: But the text was How Bad America is and how we pollute the World.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: That, that was the text.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: It's no wonder they don't know chemistry, because they're not being taught it.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And, and this, this woman from Quest Labs sees it.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: But what's scary is these are our new doctors, these are our new dentists, these are our new people who don't have the foundation.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And, we're just falling down horribly.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: As far as teaching the truth. I've still got all my…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: My books, all my books from all my classes.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I… I still got all those textbooks.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And they're valuable, because that's not what's in the books anymore.

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JJ Flizanes: There are people doing… one of my clients a couple years ago in my mastermind, she was… she's a integrative nutritionist, but really focusing on hormones, and, you know, there was a study that just got done. I think it was a 50-year study that got published maybe a year and a half ago?

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JJ Flizanes: That actually it was the reverse, that not having balanced hormones caused cancer, not replacing them.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Oh, absolutely, I totally believe that. I really do. Our bodies were so well designed, we were supposed to have what we're supposed to have, and…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And to remove them, to remove organs. I don't believe in organ removal at all anymore, I really don't. It just…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Because, you know, my 7 surgeries have taught me

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: that those organs aren't expendable. They're really not. And I'm… I'm still suffering with trying to help my body with supplements to make up for not having

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: You know, my gallbladder not having my… my,

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: all that I lost. The… the ovaries, and the uterus, and… And, so, yeah, we… American medicine.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And they shouldn't. They really shouldn't. That's why I love Tibetan medicine, because they believe in finding the cause.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And, then fixing the cause instead of… Oh, let's just remove it.

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JJ Flizanes: Well, it's… I've mentioned the show before, for anyone. It's on Hulu, or at least it was. It was called… it's called Dope Sick. Did you ever see it? It was during… it actually was running during the pandemic, which kind of made me laugh, because it was literally about the opioid crisis, and the, was it the set… what family? The family that created…

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JJ Flizanes: that drug, and how people got addicted to it, you know, having, whatever. Anyway, Hulu did it. It was during the pandemic, so it showed the relationship between doctors and pharmaceutical companies, and how the doctors were just told

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JJ Flizanes: here, give them this, prescribe this amount, and if they… and after they get used to it, they adapt, give them more, and it… and, Sackler, the Sackler family, right? That was… so… but I… but you watch it, and I'm literally like, hello, we're living this right now, but why can't anybody see it? We're literally living it where someone is pressuring you. You're… you're believing what they're being told, not realizing that they'll lose their license if they don't do what they're told.

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JJ Flizanes: And they're not questioning it. Well, maybe they are, but the majority of people were doing it anyway, because they would lose their license. They were threatened with losing their license if they didn't prescribe what they were supposed to by both the government and the board and everyone that's in charge. But it was one of those, like, twilight moments for me, because I'm watching it going, why is nobody paying attention to this? It's happening right now, under your nose, and you're not even getting it!

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JJ Flizanes: Like, when we're living, when we're in it, we can't see it, but we can make a movie about it when it's done, and go, oh yeah, it was so clear, but literally it was happening right then and there.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Yeah, yeah, I… I totally agree. I really do. I just, you know, people in my family.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: when I would tell them, what I felt they needed to do.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Well, I'll ask my doctor. That, that, that's the response I would get.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And of course, they're all dead now. They've… they've all died. That… it's just…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: It's really hard. It's so indoctrinated.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: That… to believe what the doctor says.

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JJ Flizanes: Yeah, well, again, when we look at original, like, even with the food industry, and people say, well, when I ate it 30 years ago, it didn't… it wasn't a problem, right? Well, 30 years ago, the recipes were different than they are now. The ingredients for some basic things that we used to have is much different now than it was.

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JJ Flizanes: based on the chemicals that we spray, based on the genetic modification that we do, based on the fillers that we use, based on… so there's so many, you know, people oversimplify, because they don't… because you know why? It's hard. That's why. Because it makes you responsible for having to pay attention and make changes that are uncomfortable, because you like your routine, and not everyone… you know, I have done a really good job. I have a friend who I just learned had breast cancer. I guess, again, I didn't know she had it the first time.

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JJ Flizanes: And and she doesn't know everything that I do, and I had to hold back and restrain from, like, fire, like, boom, boom, boom, blasting her with everything. I gave her two episodes and two books, that's all I… and then I… and I sent the emotional root cause of breast cancer. That's all I did. So that's two photo… like, two pages out of the book about the emotional root of breast cancer, and then two books, and two podcasts. That's it. And I stopped, I said, I'm refraining

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JJ Flizanes: myself, like.

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JJ Flizanes: if you want more, I have… I have great experience with this, I have worked with this, I understand this, I've helped with this, so… And then I'm backing off. But, you know, not everybody wants the help, because not everybody… you know, I… one of my friends who has a podcast called Food Heals, her… both her parents died of cancer, and her mom… when her mom died of cancer, it was life-changing for her, and then when her dad got cancer, she had become vegan, which…

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JJ Flizanes: Okay, and then she, like, had her juices, and she's trying to get her dad to clean up, and he smoked. He was trying to get her dad to clean up his lifestyle, and he just didn't want to do it. And that's somebody's right to say, no, I don't want to work that hard, and if I'm gonna die early, then that's fine. My neighbor is… she's taking drugs to help with pain.

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JJ Flizanes: because it makes her feel alive instead of having all the pain that she has, and she said, look, if I die because, you know, okay, I'm gonna… because I'd rather die and be living than the pain she has been in for a long time. So, she didn't want to tell me what she was taking, because she was afraid I was gonna yell at her, but… but, you know, she's 83,

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JJ Flizanes: She's 83, and she's had this pain for, like, more than 6 months.

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JJ Flizanes: And it's debilitating. So, you know, people make choices, and it's not our job… I'm not judging people by saying, hey, if you want to do whatever you want to do, you want to…

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JJ Flizanes: Do all the things that your doctor tells you, but then when you don't complain, when you're not any better, or you're worse, like, it's not… you have to take responsibility for learning something.

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JJ Flizanes: like, please learn something. Please…

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JJ Flizanes: research more things, ask questions, don't blindly just say yes and accept things. Find out how things work, especially when you're in a situation where something you've tried hasn't worked, but the doctor keeps saying, try it again, or maybe try this. Well, okay, hold on, let me understand how this works, because most people can learn things. We have the ability to learn. So, you know, a little bit at a time. It doesn't have to be so overwhelming, just whatever you're dealing with.

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JJ Flizanes: Ask different questions. Go to the opposite side of what you normally believe and try it on. It can't hurt, necessarily, especially when most alternative medicines don't have side effects, like…

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JJ Flizanes: Like, Western medicine does, right?

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Right, that's true. Very true. And the side effects from, like, the statin drugs that we started with.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: It… it's a whole bunch of…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: side effects that they don't talk about, and

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And that doesn't come into the conversation.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: of asking people if they want to take the statin drugs or not. But the absurdity is that

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: 99% of the people don't need them, because I'm sure their… their cholesterol norms were norm. Were normal.

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JJ Flizanes: All normal based on the old…

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JJ Flizanes: The old standard, which was 252… 240 to $280.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Right. Right. Yeah.

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JJ Flizanes: Alright, well…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Very glad I was born when I was born, actually, because I… I was able to see the truth of a lot of things.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: That, people can't see the truth anymore.

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JJ Flizanes: Well, they don't know it, because they didn't know it then. Like, right, you mentioned it to me.

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JJ Flizanes: at a time where I was like, oh, let's talk about that, because I don't have the experience of ever seeing 240 to 280 on a blood form that says normal and healthy, but you do, right? And then being able to see, well, what changed? Well, they wanted to sell people statin drugs, so they lowered the… lowered it so that everybody would be high, so that everybody would need a statin drug.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Right, and now we have a bunch of people really sick from not enough cholesterol in their body, not enough hormones, that it's just… it's like a downward spiral when they start on stuntin' drugs.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: It's a… to me, it's a crime.

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JJ Flizanes: It is, it is, but I think there's a, I think that when we…

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JJ Flizanes: We can't just be victims to it, right? So, and there are things that are not necessarily going to change, like, you… if the… if the… if the… there's so many people… we are the minority. The majority of people are going to believe they're doctors, they're not going to change their diet and lifestyle, they're not… they're going to do whatever they're told, that's a… that's a fact.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: We are the outliers of the 10 or 20% of people who question, who are curious, who are kind of a, you know, a little bit more futuristic thinking and advocate and, you know, want to know a little bit deeper. We don't just take what someone says is, you know.

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JJ Flizanes: it doesn't matter who it is, you question it, and you go, is this the right thing? I don't know. How do I feel about this? Does this make sense to me? What did 10 other people say? Because, I mean, after I had 3 doctors tell me about getting a hysterectomy, and I, you know, I was just like you, you've had your surgeries, I was standing there, bawling my eyes out, making the appointment, and I had to, like, have an out-of-body experience that said, JJ, hello, do you see yourself? Like, you do not… you are not in alignment with this.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I know.

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JJ Flizanes: you are not in alignment with this. If your spirit, if your body was incongruent… was congruent with this decision, you would feel relief

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JJ Flizanes: Not fear and defeat. But I felt fear and defeat, because my body was trying to tell me, this is not the path for you. Even though 3 doctors have told you this, and that there's no other option, this… this is clearly, your body's speaking, pay attention, you're crying.

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JJ Flizanes: But I was overriding it, and then I canceled the appointment, and then never went back. But it took me to be in that office to understand that I wasn't feeling relief. So there are times where people are going to do things that I wouldn't do, but it will work for them, because their body says, no, this is the path. I will feel relief when I do this.

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JJ Flizanes: you know, it's not… we don't all end up in the same place, because there's so many, you know, multifactorial as to how we get where we get, but at least I'd like people to hear from someone who

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JJ Flizanes: was… has seen the change, was there during the time where it moved, and why, and the introduction of statin drugs, and then that's why it got lowered. But, and we're gonna talk about this more. I will reach out to the doctors to have them on, because even though I learned this 15 or 20 years ago.

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JJ Flizanes: Apparently, people still don't know it, so it's time to put it into mass

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JJ Flizanes: mainstream a little bit more as we're now starting to question more things. So I want to let… leave people with how to work with you and what you do for them. Obviously, there's some books that people can buy from you. I know you've got products that also support electromagnetic frequency and stuff like that, but what, you know, how would someone reach out, tell us your website, what do you help them with?

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Our website is bestemfproducts.com, so what we've kind of done is focused down into that. We've had

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Websites for the hormones, etc. But right now, the vast majority of people need help with the electromagnetic radiation.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: People call, and they're just…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: They're totally miserable, they haven't slept in months, and it's just…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: It's a crime, what's happening. The new cell phones are… Totally, totally way too toxic.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I hate to see kids with them at all, because it's… they're so toxic. And, so…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: So, BestDMFProducts.com.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: All 5 books that I've written are on there, and…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Each… each book was a…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: it's like God was telling me, you write this, and I was trying to fight it, and just really… it was difficult. I still was scared to bring out these books, the day my first book was delivered to the…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: house. I ran in the backyard and hid, because it meant that I had to get up in front of people and… and…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: tell people.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: you know, who I am and what I've been doing, and… but it's so rewarding when I have so many people call and say, you saved my life, you saved my life. I hear it over and over and over again, because they've… doctors aren't trained, they've been to 25 doctors.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And, and we really need to…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Get away from the radiation, all the new cell towers, are just abomination on…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: our whole country, because they're all across the country, and when we think about where do we want to move to out of Southern California, because there's so many here.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Within 3 miles of our house, there's 1,788 antenna.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: So it's… it's… It's just really…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: way too massive. I feel it when we come here.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I feel the relief when we go to… out in the desert, where there's not all that. So, it's really not good to be exposed to this much.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: much radiation. It's harming us. It's especially harming our kids. Our kids are just way too susceptible to,

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: to it. You know, their brains are smaller, they're…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: They have less body weight, and they are gonna be really harmed in a lot of ways if we don't stop the insanity of this stupid pressure of all the cell phones and all the top towers. It's just…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: It… it… we're… we're across the street from a… a big…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: park where the kids play lots of games. There's 3 antenna. There's 3 antenna on that park.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Yeah, and then just right next to that, the high school, there's an antenna in the gymnasium.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: So, and in California, there's… an antenna in almost every high school.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And part of my book on… on the radiation, A mother called me.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Who had lost her child when they put, Smart meters and…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Radiation in the classrooms, and demanded to use radiation for their textbooks.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And her daughter couldn't tolerate it.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And, she called me. Her daughter died because the school didn't understand that Their daughter was so sensitive.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And I get husbands and wives. One will be sensitive, one won't.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: They don't understand each other.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: The person who's sensitive is being told you're crazy, and and it's creating a huge…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Turmoil in our society.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Because it's no fun being sensitive. It's really not.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And that movie that I talked about, Have fun. Don't die.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: what is the name of it? Have fun, sorry, sorry about that, but…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: You know, he gets sent a…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: He gets sent an electronic device.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And his wife comes home and her nose starts bleeding.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Bleeding is part of the symptomology of… from the radiation.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: we need to wake up that we're really being harmed in such a horrible way. We really are.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: So, and it's fun to help husbands and wives.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Help them understand.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: The one who's sick is really sick. It's not just an act, it's… That, that they…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Their bodies can't take it, and it's because they've had toxins, lots of toxins, or just been exposed.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And that was my problem. I… I was…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Into computers my entire work life.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: And so…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I know that's why I was so sensitive. And I'm very grateful to the products that I use. They're…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: therefore changing the radiation coming off the cell phone, or the smart meter, or the computer, to be a human compatible vibration. So, very different than a lot of other things that are on the market.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Aye.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: We actually had… The things disconnected in our…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: in our car. They… rear bumpers and all that, we had all that disconnected.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: We had to get permission.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: From the manufacturers, as long as it didn't interfere with the performance of the car.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: But, it's so worth to get it off of the car, because there's no need to have backup sensors. We really…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: we've been backing up for a long time with cars, so… so we need to wake up that we don't need all these electronic things. We really… we're harming ourselves. It's not worth it.

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JJ Flizanes: Okay, so we'll make sure everyone checks out.

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JJ Flizanes: Bestemfproducts.com, and all the books that you have. And, obviously you can contact… you can… they can contact you if they want to work with you, on figuring out what's going on with them, and is that also contact on the website, or do you want to give them a different way?

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: That's on the website, too. You can reach me, and yeah, I'm glad to. I… I have a 6-page profile I have people fill out, because I've really, over the 20 years I've been doing consulting.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I kept adding questions because I realized the next person, oh gee, I also need to know this, and so it's really fun to do it because

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: I help people so much, and people are so grateful.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: for understanding that there is something that they can do about their problems. And, and they're available.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: So… Great. Well, hopefully, if you're listening to this, or you know someone who needs this information, please, please.

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JJ Flizanes: Send them the show, although, of course, ask permission first. If they're interested, tell them you may have a solution for what they're dealing with, whether it be statin drugs, hormones.

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JJ Flizanes: cancer, EMF, skin cancer, maybe they don't realize, maybe something, they haven't found a solution to whatever they're dealing with, and this gives us a couple other things to talk about and to look at. So, thank you, Dr. Pillard, for coming back on the show after 10 years! It's been 10 years since you've been here, so I appreciate you coming back.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Thank you so much for inviting me, because I just… I feel like I'm bursting with all the things that I need to tell people, want to tell people, and so thank you for allowing me to do that. So…

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: You, you're, you're doing a great service.

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JJ Flizanes: Thank you.

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Elizabeth Plourde PhD: Okay.

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JJ Flizanes: And that'll cut the show.

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JJ Flizanes: Okay, very good. I don't know when this is gonna be out, but…